From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 2 09:04:39 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:04:39 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail service References: <27E7C437649745D399C3F8FA16FB2802@DellVostro><336FA083C10E418C91BCA44991F8988D@DellVostro><2C2131338A5E41C5AFD68ACE02291C3D@DHKYT081> <122B88C8C24843F29F4D7AAA3780B0D6@DellVostro> Message-ID: <819561B712FE4266951FE9189CC86841@DHKYT081> Gordon, I don't know. I have Samuel Evans involved in the incorporation of: Elk Ridge Coal & Coke in 1892 with 25 shares and Page Coal & Coke in 1903 with 10 shares. Both times Evans is listed as living in Elkhorn. S. J. Evans, of Keystone, is listed as an incorporator of Pocahontas Mining Company (a land company) in 1907 with six shares In these three business dealings he was associated with some of the early entrepreneurers of the Pocahontas Coalfield such as Isaac T. Mann, the Crozers, the Tierney's, Cosby Whitley, etc. The early industrial/residential center of McDowell County was probably Elkhorn up until thre late 1890s. By early 1900 Keystone became the major commercial/population center of the county and that probably lasted until about 1920. Mining developement in the county along the N&W mainline stopped around 1892 with the development of Tidewater Coal & Coke at Helena-Tidewater-Vivian-Kimball (as the community changed names over the years) as the coal went underground and slope or shaft mines were required rather then the cheaper drift mines. At the same time that coal development stopped on the main line, development took place on the North Fork Branch. These events contributed to Keystone becoming the center of influence in the county. My speculation (without any real basis other than Welch Water and Power Co. was started in 1902) is Keystone Light and Power Company was started about 1900 and was sold to Applachian Power Company in June 1911. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail service Alex, Thanks for setting the record straight about Pageton. Most of us know that Wikipedia suffers from some misinformation posted there. I wonder if the Samuel Evans you mentioned would be the Samuel J. Evans who founded the electric company in Keystone, WV, reportedly in 1907, and later the electric company and streetcars in Princeton, WV. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail service Interesting, but I don't think it is true. Page Coal & Coke Company was incorporated in McDowell County by Samuel Crozer, John Crozer and Louis Page of Upland, WV in 1903. Additional shareholders were John Lincoln, Samuel Evans, and John Tierney of Elkhorn, WV and Laurence Tierney of Powhatan, WV. Each of these shareholders were industrialists and coal men. Page Coal & Coke Company leased its property from Crozer Land Association. The community of Pageton was first proposed as LePage. When the post office rejected that name, the second chioce was Pageville. When that name was rejected, the name choice became Pageton. The Crozer's and Page's of near Philadelphia were fairly closely assocated in business ventures. The Crozers and Louis Page also were the incorporators and major shareholders in the Upland Coal & Coke Company and eventually the Crozer Coal & Land Company. Alex Schust ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail service As a postscript to the posting below I should have pointed out that the Pageton, WV, mentioned in the article as being on the Tug Fork branch of the N&W was named for William Nelson Page of Virginian Railway fame as stated in the following from Wikipedia: Pageton was named for William Nelson Page (1854-1932) a civil engineer and industrialist who lived in Ansted, where he managed many iron, coal, and railroad enterprises. William Page was the first president of The Virginian Railway Company (now a part of Norfolk Southern). William N. Page was a principal of the Page Coal and Coke Company, a coal and coking company with another operation in Page in Fayette County. He established the mining operation tipple and coking ovens at Pageton around 1907. The colliery in Page, West Virginia was the Loup Creek Colliery Company and was a completely separate entity. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail service Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 7, 1910 NEW MAIL SERVICE ------ Inaugurated on Tug Fork Branch of Norfolk and Western The Norfolk and Western has inaugurated a new mail service on the Tug Fork branch. Two mails a day now go to Anawalt and this service is greatly appreciated. The people along the Anawalt section now want an opportunity to get the train to lay over at Pageton or Anawalt at night instead of at Gary as they figure in this way they will be able to go to Welch or some other point and return the same day. An effort will also be made to get a local freight service on the line. There are eighteen or twenty mines on the Tug Fork branch and the coal companies along the line feel that enough business goes to and from these operations to warrant a local freight. It is likely that a petition will be prepared asking for such an extension of the local freight service. ------ [If there were no local freight service on Tug Fork branch how did these eighteen or so mines get the material for the tipples and mine material such as rails, cars, etc? 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Ed Painter; Narrows, VA currently Russellville, AR From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:58 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 The Y6a has two air pumps on the engineer's side, with a BL feedwater heater on the fireman's side . The Y6b has an air pump on each side. James Jarvis > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:38:13 -0400 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > I too saw them in 1973. And while my slides are marked "Virginia Scrap > Iron", United works for me. Attached are some photos. > How can one distinguish between a Y6 and Y6b in the state these locos > were in? > > > Don Trettel > > [Moderator] > See images at following: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=69 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=70 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=71 > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed Painter; Narrows, VA currently Russellville, AR From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:58 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 The Y6a has two air pumps on the engineer's side, with a BL feedwater heater on the fireman's side . The Y6b has an air pump on each side. James Jarvis > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:38:13 -0400 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > I too saw them in 1973. And while my slides are marked "Virginia Scrap > Iron", United works for me. Attached are some photos. > How can one distinguish between a Y6 and Y6b in the state these locos > were in? > > > Don Trettel > > [Moderator] > See images at following: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=69 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=70 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=71 > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 The Y-6b's most distinguishing feature compared to Y-6's and Y-6a's was the Worthington SA Feedwater Heater on top of the smokebox in front or the (Y-6b only) slanted forward smoke stack. From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:58 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 The Y6a has two air pumps on the engineer's side, with a BL feedwater heater on the fireman's side . The Y6b has an air pump on each side. James Jarvis > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:38:13 -0400 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > I too saw them in 1973. And while my slides are marked "Virginia Scrap > Iron", United works for me. Attached are some photos. > How can one distinguish between a Y6 and Y6b in the state these locos > were in? > > > Don Trettel > > [Moderator] > See images at following: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=69 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=70 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=71 > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ________________________________ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barney Barnier ---------- Original Message ---------- Return-Path: Received: from mx10.dca.untd.com (mx10.dca.untd.com [10.171.44.40]) by maildeliver05.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABFQ8Q55AMHNLZ2 for (sender ); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:05:15 -0800 (PDT) Received-SPF: None Received: from six.pairlist.net (six.pairlist.net [209.68.2.254]) by mx10.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFQ8Q54A3Z2CQ2 (sender ); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:05:14 -0800 (PDT) Received: from six.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by six.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C4D6C1DE; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:05:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: NW-Mailing-List at lists6.nwhs.org Delivered-To: nw-mailing-list at six.pairlist.net Received: from colima.pair.com (colima.pair.com [209.68.4.177]) by six.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B4FEC6CDBC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65355 invoked by uid 3021); 2 Nov 2009 18:51:52 -0000 Delivered-To: nwhsweb-nwhs:org-nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Received: (qmail 65352 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 18:51:52 -0000 Received: from mailwash32.pair.com (66.39.2.32) by colima.pair.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:51:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailwash32.pair.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 87AB210A734 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f226.google.com (mail-ew0-f226.google.com [209.85.219.226]) by mailwash32.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD3410A726 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy26 with SMTP id 26so5246013ewy.5 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:51:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.141 with SMTP id c13mr5084377wef.66.1257186069314; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:21:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:21:09 -0500 Message-ID: <540e48700911021021q49fda71bte4e5f9be22212125 at mail.gmail.com> Subject: Barney Cars To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:05:09 -0500 From: NW Mailing List X-BeenThere: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: NW Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org Errors-To: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org X-UNTD-BodySize: 516 X-UNTD-SPF: None X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1171074631 X-MAIL-INFO:5b01d9d5d90d4db9f560d53d3d99218938113d1979307410b57919e9747db5797115140080a10d14bdbd4d64a9612461fd31c92d51249999609529e0e49920f0905954a0f02040b0008de1a98de0b0f95dc9a45551f0c9d05165513431246dd1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 209.68.2.254|six.pairlist.net|six.pairlist.net|nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org X-UNTD-UBE:-1 Got a little question if anyone really knows. What is the origin of the name for the Barney Cars and the basic name? We know what they were designed to do and so forth but what is the origin of the name and how far back does one have to search to get it? Thanks. Bob Cohen ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ____________________________________________________________ Free Heating Estimates Find top-rated HVAC pros. Get free estimates today on any job! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=sxChijU-Xe9lteygrMjBdAAAJ1AEfYvq2cf24k6W9nXC_g23AAQAAAAFAAAAAGQWUD4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYAwAAAAA= From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 2 17:28:13 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:28:13 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Rogers In-Reply-To: <98347112A8EF43F4AC16C0CE3D60DCD5@DellVostro> Message-ID: <20091102222813.523E3.73466.root@hrndva-web14-z01> It must have been hell to expect $100 million and then have to make do with only $36.6 . . . EdKing ---- NW Mailing List wrote: > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > April 23, 1910 > > BIG FORTUNE SHRINKS > ------ > Heavy Cost of Virginian Ate Up Rogers' Millions > New York, April 22--H. H. Rogers, who was credited with building up the Standard Oil's multi-millions, left for his heirs hardly a third of the immense fortune credited to him by Wall Street reports. Instead of the $100,000,000 which outsiders estimated as a conservative figure, for the amount of the Rogers estate, the executors have estimated it at something under $36,606,900. The heavy cost of the Virginian Railway drained his resurces. The inheritance tax was paid yesterday, the last day under the law. > ------ > [The executors' estimate was slightly blurred on the microfilm. The best interpretation is shown.] > > Gordon Hamilton From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 2 18:09:13 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:09:13 -0500 Subject: Barney Cars In-Reply-To: <540e48700911021021q49fda71bte4e5f9be22212125@mail.gmail.com> References: <540e48700911021021q49fda71bte4e5f9be22212125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC2A28A0A85369-1A9C-8027@webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com> Not sure about Sewells Point, but Lamberts Point had a Barney Yard -- by my recollection, there were two barney yards, sixteen tracks each. One class of coal was put in each track, then using an illuminated number panel showing the track #, the pin puller would cut the car off to roll by gravity toward the dumper. It was possible to dump four different classes of coal at the two rotary dumpers at one time. Harry Bundy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 2 21:58:06 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:58:06 -0500 Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <540e48700911021858l2a6d055au88f2b5c42c1fa668@mail.gmail.com> Neither. I meant the Barney cars which move the or moved the hoppers at Lambert's Point? Barney & Smith manufactured cars for railroads way back when and the Birney streetcars made their presence well-known on trction systems and a number have survived today. If I am using the wrong term for Lambert's Poinbt where they moved the coal hoppers to be turned and dumped, those are what I am referring. I had always thought they were referred to as Barney cars but will stand corrected if I am in error. A friend asked me today. Bob Do you mean the Barney and Smith cars, or the Birney Streetcars? > > Barney Barnier > > Got a little question if anyone really knows. > > What is the origin of the name for the Barney Cars and the basic name? > We know what they were designed to do and so forth but what is the > origin of the name and how far back does one have to search to get it? > > Thanks. > > Bob Cohen From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 3 08:06:51 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:06:51 -0500 Subject: Y6B 2171 References: <4AEB4EB5.3080309@vt.edu><125A79E0AD6A4A95A22A8ED65FAB9623@lewisdl0ls5whv> Message-ID: This slanted stack discussion reminds me of a small experience that I had the summer of 1956 when I worked at the Shaffers Crossing roundhouse before I was so rudely drafted into the Army for a couple of years. Whenever an eastbound coal train would pull out of the west yard and accelerate up the slight grade leading to the 24th Street underpass with a Y6 leading an A, a lot of the work in the roundhouse would stop momentarily as a number of the men would rush to the open windows to watch the awesome display of power. Sometimes there would be a train standing on the track between the roundhouse and the track on which the coal train was departing, pretty well blocking the view of the eastbound except for the tops of the locomotives. That was when I discovered that the Y6 exhausts were angled forward whereas the A exhausts went straight up. So, without being able to see the locomotives themselves, I could confirm from the exhausts that the Y6 was leading the A. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 Bud, Thanks.....You know, after I sent the email I had some second thoughts and wished that I had validated the slanted stack comment before I sent it. Obviously I should have done so. Thanks for correcting my error. Ed Painter; Narrows, VA currently Russellville, AR From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:26 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Y6B 2171 Ed, The Y6 and Y6a all had the slanted stack just like the Y6b. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 The Y-6b's most distinguishing feature compared to Y-6's and Y-6a's was the Worthington SA Feedwater Heater on top of the smokebox in front or the (Y-6b only) slanted forward smoke stack. From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:58 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 The Y6a has two air pumps on the engineer's side, with a BL feedwater heater on the fireman's side . The Y6b has an air pump on each side. James Jarvis > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:38:13 -0400 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > I too saw them in 1973. And while my slides are marked "Virginia Scrap > Iron", United works for me. Attached are some photos. > How can one distinguish between a Y6 and Y6b in the state these locos > were in? > > > Don Trettel > > [Moderator] > See images at following: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=69 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=70 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=71 > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.45/2476 - Release Date: 11/02/09 07:51:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 3 12:24:10 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Contents NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 5 Barney Cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1109471108.1963191257269050518.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Guys, Can we be a little more descriptive on purpose of these cars? Are we talking about the -- 1) Electric powered coal transfer cars? 2) Electric cable driven pusher (? Mule?) between the tracks that pushed the coal car up the ramp into the dumper? 3) Electric powered narrow gage locomotive with an offset arm that pushed coal cars to the ramp?. . . . ?if the coal cars weren't gravity-fed? -- as being Barney cars? I've seen references on pier valuation drawings to Barney car service pits for servicing the coal transfer cars. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 10:50:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 5 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to ????????nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ????????http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ????????nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at ????????nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." Today's Topics: ?? 1. Re: Virginian in 1910--Rogers (NW Mailing List) ?? 2. Re: Barney Cars (NW Mailing List) ?? 3. Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 4 (NW Mailing List) ?? 4. Re: Y6B 2171 (NW Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:28:13 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Virginian in 1910--Rogers To: NW Mailing List Message-ID: <20091102222813.523E3.73466.root at hrndva-web14-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It must have been hell to expect $100 million and then have to make do with only $36.6 . . . EdKing ---- NW Mailing List wrote: > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > April 23, 1910 > > BIG FORTUNE SHRINKS > ------ > Heavy Cost of Virginian Ate Up Rogers' Millions > ? ? New York, April 22--H. H. Rogers, who was credited with building up the Standard Oil's multi-millions, left for his heirs hardly a third of the immense fortune credited to him by Wall Street reports. ?Instead of the $100,000,000 which outsiders estimated as a conservative figure, for the amount of the Rogers estate, the executors have estimated it at something under $36,606,900. ?The heavy cost of the Virginian Railway drained his resurces. ?The inheritance tax was paid yesterday, the last day under the law. > ------ > [The executors' estimate was slightly blurred on the microfilm. ?The best interpretation is shown.] > > Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:09:13 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Barney Cars To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Message-ID: <8CC2A28A0A85369-1A9C-8027 at webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not sure about Sewells Point, but Lamberts Point had a Barney Yard -- by my recollection, there were two barney yards, sixteen tracks each. ?One class of coal was put in each track, then using an illuminated number panel showing the track #, the pin puller would cut the car off to roll by gravity toward the dumper. It was possible to dump four different classes of coal at the two rotary dumpers at one time. ? Harry Bundy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:58:06 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 4 To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Message-ID: ????????<540e48700911021858l2a6d055au88f2b5c42c1fa668 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Neither. I meant the Barney cars which move the or moved the hoppers at Lambert's Point? Barney & Smith manufactured cars for railroads way back when and the Birney streetcars made their presence well-known on trction systems and a number have survived today. If I am using the wrong term for Lambert's Poinbt where they moved the coal hoppers to be turned and dumped, those are what I am referring. I had always thought they were referred to as Barney cars but will stand corrected if I am in error. A friend asked me today. Bob Do you mean the Barney and Smith cars, or the Birney Streetcars? > > Barney Barnier > > Got a little question if anyone really knows. > > What is the origin of the name for the Barney Cars and the basic name? > We know what they were designed to do and so forth but what is the > origin of the name and how far back does one have to search to get it? > > Thanks. > > Bob Cohen ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:06:51 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Y6B 2171 To: "NW Mailing List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This slanted stack discussion reminds me of a small experience that I had the summer of 1956 when I worked at the Shaffers Crossing roundhouse before I was so rudely drafted into the Army for a couple of years. ?Whenever an eastbound coal train would pull out of the west yard and accelerate up the slight grade leading to the 24th Street underpass with a Y6 leading an A, a lot of the work in the roundhouse would stop momentarily as a number of the men would rush to the open windows to watch the awesome display of power. ?Sometimes there would be a train standing on the track between the roundhouse and the track on which the coal train was departing, pretty well blocking the view of the eastbound except for the tops of the locomotives. ?That was when I discovered that the Y6 exhausts were angled forward whereas the A exhausts went straight up. ?So, without being able to see the locomotives themselves, I could confirm from the exhausts that the Y6 was leading the A. Gordon Hamilton ??----- Original Message ----- ??From: NW Mailing List ??To: 'NW Mailing List' ??Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:48 PM ??Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 ??Bud, ?? ??Thanks.....You know, after I sent the email I had some second thoughts and wished that I had validated the slanted stack comment before I sent it. ?Obviously I should have done so. ?Thanks for correcting my error. ?? ??Ed Painter; ?Narrows, VA currently Russellville, AR ?? ?? ??From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List ??Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:26 AM ??To: NW Mailing List ??Subject: Re: Y6B 2171 ?? ??Ed, ?? ??The Y6 and Y6a all had the slanted stack just like the Y6b. ?? ??Bud Jeffries ?? ?----- Original Message ----- ?? ?From: NW Mailing List ?? ?To: 'NW Mailing List' ?? ?Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:50 AM ?? ?Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 ?? ? ?? ?The Y-6b's most distinguishing feature compared to Y-6's and Y-6a's was the Worthington SA Feedwater Heater on top of the smokebox in front or the (Y-6b only) slanted forward smoke stack. ?? ? ?? ? ?? ?From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List ?? ?Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:58 PM ?? ?To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org ?? ?Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 ?? ? ?? ?The Y6a has two air pumps on the engineer's side, with a BL feedwater heater on the fireman's side . ?The Y6b has an air pump on each side. ?? ? ?? ?James Jarvis ?? ? ?? ?> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:38:13 -0400 ?? ?> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org ?? ?> Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 ?? ?> From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org ?? ?> ?? ?> I too saw them in 1973. And while my slides are marked "Virginia Scrap ?? ?> Iron", United works for me. Attached are some photos. ?? ?> How can one distinguish between a Y6 and Y6b in the state these locos ?? ?> were in? ?? ?> ?? ?> ?? ?> Don Trettel ?? ?> ?? ?> [Moderator] ?? ?> See images at following: ?? ?> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=69 ?? ?> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=70 ?? ?> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=71 ?? ?> ?? ?> ?? ?> ________________________________________ ?? ?> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org ?? ?> To change your subscription go to ?? ?> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list ?? ?> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at ?? ?> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ?? ?________________________________________ ?? ?NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org ?? ?To change your subscription go to ?? ?http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list ?? ?Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at ?? ?http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ??________________________________________ ??NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org ??To change your subscription go to ??http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list ??Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at ??http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ??No virus found in this incoming message. ??Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ??Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.45/2476 - Release Date: 11/02/09 07:51:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "NW Mailing List" Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Virginian in 1910--Rogers > It must have been hell to expect $100 million and then have to make do > with only $36.6 . . . > > EdKing > ---- NW Mailing List wrote: >> Bluefield Daily Telegraph >> April 23, 1910 >> >> BIG FORTUNE SHRINKS >> ------ >> Heavy Cost of Virginian Ate Up Rogers' Millions >> New York, April 22--H. H. Rogers, who was credited with building up >> the Standard Oil's multi-millions, left for his heirs hardly a third of >> the immense fortune credited to him by Wall Street reports. Instead of >> the $100,000,000 which outsiders estimated as a conservative figure, for >> the amount of the Rogers estate, the executors have estimated it at >> something under $36,606,900. The heavy cost of the Virginian Railway >> drained his resurces. The inheritance tax was paid yesterday, the last >> day under the law. >> ------ >> [The executors' estimate was slightly blurred on the microfilm. The best >> interpretation is shown.] >> >> Gordon Hamilton > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 3 15:37:06 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:37:06 -0500 Subject: Barney cars: origin of the name Message-ID: <540e48700911031237g32adaa6emc15d629007013973@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Harry for confirming about Lambert's Point: However the question still remains: WHAT is THE origin of the NAME "BARNEY" for the cars. Any ideas of the age and origin of that particular name? Thanks. Bob Cohen > Not sure about Sewells Point, but Lamberts Point > had a Barney Yard -- by my recollection, there > were two barney yards, sixteen tracks each. ?One > class of coal was put in each track, then using > an illuminated number panel showing the track #, > the pin puller would cut the car off to roll by gravity > toward the dumper. It was possible to dump four different > classes of coal at the two rotary dumpers at one time. > Harry Bundy > > Neither. I meant the Barney cars which move the or moved the hoppers > at Lambert's Point? > > Barney & Smith manufactured cars for railroads way back when and the > Birney streetcars made their presence well-known on trction systems > and a number have survived today. > > If I am using the wrong term for Lambert's Poinbt where they moved the > coal hoppers to be turned and dumped, those are what I am referring. I > had always thought they were referred to as Barney cars but will stand > corrected if I am in error. A friend asked me today. > > Bob > > > Do you mean the Barney and Smith cars, or the Birney Streetcars? >> >> Barney Barnier From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 4 07:40:00 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:40:00 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Hobo hazard Message-ID: <32B8831DE79C445FB38F55FEA846C762@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 24, 1910 PUSHED OFF TRAIN ------ Leg Cut Off and Head Mashed. Unknown Man Dies in Hospital A man with a leg cut off and his head badly smashed was found beside the track at Flat Top on Friday night, about eight o'clock. He was unknown and in order to give him what medical and surgical attention was possible he was brought to this city and taken to a local hospital where he died a short time afterwards. Only one clue to who the man was could be learned and that was a statement made by the man which was only partially understood. He said that his name was Hollman or some name which was similar and than his home was in Staunton, Va. The man was riding a freight train and it appears that he was robbed of a grip he was carrying and then pushed from the train. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 4 11:37:18 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:37:18 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Promotional effort Message-ID: <333EF1D8B3D54F8CB0355542D3669B30@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 26, 1910 VIRGINIAN RAILWAY GIVES AGRICULTURAL TRAIN ------ Will Traverse Line and Be Institute on Wheels for Farmer's Benefit The Virginian Railway Company has tendered a train to the state agricultural department for institute purposes, which had been accepted. The experiment station at Blacksburg will have charge of the demonstration work. The trip will be through the southside Virginia and will start the first part of May and last a week. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 4 15:01:28 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 7 Origin of term Barney Cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <413040454.2236981257364888209.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have a copy of the N&Ws first 1913 lift and tilt dumper and?elevator operation.? The "clone" C&O 1914 dumper had a Barney Pit area . . . which I believe was used for servicing the electric motor trucks on the coal transfer cars. The newer rotary dumper pier would have used carryover terminology it seems. The primary pier contractor would put their name on the transfer cars, side-arm pushers and cable-pulled devices that pushed? coal cars into the loe-level dumpers.? Their construction?might be sub-contracted out. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 12:00:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 7 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to ????????nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ????????http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ????????nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at ????????nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." Today's Topics: ?? 1. Barney cars: origin of the name (NW Mailing List) ?? 2. N&W in 1910--Hobo hazard (NW Mailing List) ?? 3. Virginian in 1910--Promotional effort (NW Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:37:06 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Barney cars: origin of the name To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Message-ID: ????????<540e48700911031237g32adaa6emc15d629007013973 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Harry for confirming about Lambert's Point: However the question still remains: WHAT is THE origin of the NAME "BARNEY" for the cars. Any ideas of the age and origin of that particular name? Thanks. Bob Cohen > Not sure about Sewells Point, but Lamberts Point > had a Barney Yard -- by my recollection, there > were two barney yards, sixteen tracks each. ?One > class of coal was put in each track, then using > an illuminated number panel showing the track #, > the pin puller would cut the car off to roll by gravity > toward the dumper. It was possible to dump four different > classes of coal at the two rotary dumpers at one time. > Harry Bundy > > Neither. I meant the Barney cars which move the or moved the hoppers > at Lambert's Point? > > Barney & Smith manufactured cars for railroads way back when and the > Birney streetcars made their presence well-known on trction systems > and a number have survived today. > > If I am using the wrong term for Lambert's Poinbt where they moved the > coal hoppers to be turned and dumped, those are what I am referring. I > had always thought they were referred to as Barney cars but will stand > corrected if I am in error. A friend asked me today. > > Bob > > > Do you mean the Barney and Smith cars, or the Birney Streetcars? >> >> Barney Barnier ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:40:00 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1910--Hobo hazard To: "3N&W Mailing List" Message-ID: <32B8831DE79C445FB38F55FEA846C762 at DellVostro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 24, 1910 PUSHED OFF TRAIN ------ Leg Cut Off and Head Mashed. ?Unknown Man Dies in Hospital ?? ?A man with a leg cut off and his head badly smashed was found beside the track at Flat Top on Friday night, about eight o'clock. ?He was unknown and in order to give him what medical and surgical attention was possible he was brought to this city and taken to a local hospital where he died a short time afterwards. ?Only one clue to who the man was could be learned and that was a statement made by the man which was only partially understood. ?He said that his name was Hollman or some name which was similar and than his home was in Staunton, Va. ?? ?The man was riding a freight train and it appears that he was robbed of a grip he was carrying and then pushed from the train. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:37:18 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Virginian in 1910--Promotional effort To: "4VGN Ry Yahoo Group" ????????,????????"3N&W Mailing List" ???????? Message-ID: <333EF1D8B3D54F8CB0355542D3669B30 at DellVostro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 26, 1910 VIRGINIAN RAILWAY GIVES AGRICULTURAL TRAIN ------ Will Traverse Line and Be Institute on Wheels for Farmer's Benefit ?? ?The Virginian Railway Company has tendered a train to the state agricultural department for institute purposes, which had been accepted. ?The experiment station at Blacksburg will have charge of the demonstration work. ?The trip will be through the southside Virginia and will start the first part of May and last a week. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 Bud, Thanks.....You know, after I sent the email I had some second thoughts and wished that I had validated the slanted stack comment before I sent it. Obviously I should have done so. Thanks for correcting my error. Ed Painter; Narrows, VA currently Russellville, AR From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:26 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Y6B 2171 Ed, The Y6 and Y6a all had the slanted stack just like the Y6b. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 The Y-6b's most distinguishing feature compared to Y-6's and Y-6a's was the Worthington SA Feedwater Heater on top of the smokebox in front or the (Y-6b only) slanted forward smoke stack. From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:58 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 The Y6a has two air pumps on the engineer's side, with a BL feedwater heater on the fireman's side . The Y6b has an air pump on each side. James Jarvis > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:38:13 -0400 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > I too saw them in 1973. And while my slides are marked "Virginia Scrap > Iron", United works for me. Attached are some photos. > How can one distinguish between a Y6 and Y6b in the state these locos > were in? > > > Don Trettel > > [Moderator] > See images at following: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=69 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=70 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=71 > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 5 07:59:57 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:59:57 -0500 Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren Message-ID: <4AF2CC4D.2010106@vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with ten of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. We signed two Happy Birthday cards. Landon Gregory, who started his VGN career in 1956 as an operator at Abilene, and actually sent some messages with dots and dashes, turned 73 on Tuesday. Landon retired as Chief Dispatcher Virginia Division in 1993 from NS with 37 years service. The same day our Narrows Power Plant man Felix Price turned 84. Felix retired in 1985 as a line gang electrician in Roanoke Shops with 36 years service. I enjoyed working with Felix several years when I filled vacation spots as Line Gang Supervisor. Attending for the first time was Kenny Wingfield, Rufus' son. Kenny was asked how he remembered his Dad's Virginian Railway career. He said "Dad wasn't home a lot and we left notes to each other. He told us that he was at work all the time...at least that's what he said". Kenny works with the FBI and drives a three wheeled Harley... Passed around was a photo of the "Nutbush waiting shed", newest addition to the Victoria Rail Park. The Brethren told me to tell Greg Elam "it would look good in VGN orange". Also passed was an incredible photo of a soaring eagle that Gary Mullis took on the Altavista District in October near Moneta. He was photographing trains when he spotted the large majestic national symbol flying above the old Virginian Railway tracks. Scotty said that "it must be the incarnated soul of an old VGN engineer checking on the line". I mentioned that I was going to write more about our friend Abe Burnett. Rufus Wingfield remembered that Abe always wore his railroad hat and sported a nice gold watch and chain. He and Scotty, almost in unison, recalled that Abe told all that would like to see two trains crash head on (with no crews on board of course). Scotty also remembered relieving him once while on the Extra Board and Abe had his wife throwing switches for him. Several also remembered Spike Burnett, Abe's father who also worked with the Brethren. The December "Trains" was passed around with almost no mention of NS in this issue. Also passed were the informational fliers that will be given passengers this Saturday and Sunday on the Roanoke NRHS Chapter's Excursion Trains to Bluefield and Shenandoah. Our trains will have 3 Amtrak locomotives and 18 cars including one NS Research Car #32. The whole Spencer train is scheduled to arrive today, via the Hurt Connection and VGN to Roanoke. Maybe that eagle will give it an escort. In response to Frank Bongiovanni, I asked the Brethren about G-5 low side gondolas. Raymond East remembered that they were mostly used to carried cross ties to and from the Salem Koppers treatment plant as well as pulpwood, when it was necessary. This prompted Gabby Davis whose father was a machinist in the VGN Roundhouse in Roanoke, to recall watching pulpwood cars being loaded. He said that there were almost never any fork trucks used and some of the "good ole boys could hurl a 6 foot log from the ground like it was a toothpick". As far as the high capacity G-3,G-4 style, most just remember seeing a lot of them full of coal and that they didn't call them "Battleships". We talked about a recent discussion on the N&W sight about steam locomotives. The terms "Straight A's" and "Slanted 6's" were used to describe a functional characteristic of some steam engines. Do you know what that function was? Answer next week for those who do not. The discussion turned to the recent purchase of Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. of the BNSF Line for $34 Billion dollars. Landon reminded all that Buffett also owns about 1% of NS Stock. He reported that after this news of the BNSF purchase hit the Stock Market, NS stock went up about $2 a share. Could Buffett be a descendant of Henry Huttleston Rogers? I told the Brethren that at a meeting on Tuesday we looked at possible situations that we may face on the weekend excursion trains. We talked about the H1N1 Swine Flue and that we will have on each car hand sanitizing solution. This led to a discussion about the symptoms of the flu. Glen McLain mention that most flu patients have a runny nose. This prompted Wis Sowder to comment "Noses have been running in my family for years..." Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon ============= From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 5 08:35:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:35:32 -0500 Subject: Excursion train on the Virginian In-Reply-To: References: <20091105013449.FZMQ1164.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <1AE5A77582D956479BB3952950D0121C012C1503@lex98ex1> I will try to confirm that the consist DOES leave Spencer "on time". George Weber NCTMF ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:32 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Excursion train on the Virginian Aubrey: Is this the consist for the 11/7-11/8 excursions? Any "guesstimates" on intermediate point timings? 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The crowd which is always gathered at that point was terribly excited when the accident occurred as it was thought that the man who had fallen beneath the train in full sight of the people was killed. ------ [Probably another accident involving early open vestibule cars, or narrow vestibule cars, neither of which generally had a gate or door to prevent someone from boarding or alighting while the car was in motion, in contrast to later closed vestibule cars which had a vestibule side door that presumably would be closed by the train crew after giving the engineer a highball.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 5 10:54:45 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:54:45 -0500 Subject: Excursion train on the Virginian In-Reply-To: References: <20091105013449.FZMQ1164.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <1AE5A77582D956479BB3952950D0121C012C150A@lex98ex1> The Amtrak engines were moved from the north end of the consist (first class cars) to the south end at approx 9:30 AM. The full consist is being pushed out the north end of the Spencer museum grounds right now, 10:45 AM. I presume they will take it to the Salisbury wye to turn it and then head north. I'm in Lexington right now and will make another report when it comes through. My best guess right now is it will go through Greensboro at between 12:00 and 12:30. The interchange at Hurt on this time line would be around 2:00 - 2:30 PM unless it is held up. George Weber NCTMF ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:32 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Excursion train on the Virginian Aubrey: Is this the consist for the 11/7-11/8 excursions? Any "guesstimates" on intermediate point timings? Dave Phelps In a message dated 11/04/09 20:35:17 Eastern Standard Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: A friend riding the private cars in the Amtrak excursion train consist told me that the 25 car train will leave Spencer at 9:00 am Thursday and come to Altavista on the old Southern. Then it will go through the "Altavista Connection" and go west on the old Virginian to Roanoke! A 25 car passenger car train on the Virginian! Aubrey Wiley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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George Weber NCTMF ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:55 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: RE: Excursion train on the Virginian The Amtrak engines were moved from the north end of the consist (first class cars) to the south end at approx 9:30 AM. The full consist is being pushed out the north end of the Spencer museum grounds right now, 10:45 AM. I presume they will take it to the Salisbury wye to turn it and then head north. I'm in Lexington right now and will make another report when it comes through. My best guess right now is it will go through Greensboro at between 12:00 and 12:30. The interchange at Hurt on this time line would be around 2:00 - 2:30 PM unless it is held up. George Weber NCTMF ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:32 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Excursion train on the Virginian Aubrey: Is this the consist for the 11/7-11/8 excursions? Any "guesstimates" on intermediate point timings? Dave Phelps In a message dated 11/04/09 20:35:17 Eastern Standard Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: A friend riding the private cars in the Amtrak excursion train consist told me that the 25 car train will leave Spencer at 9:00 am Thursday and come to Altavista on the old Southern. Then it will go through the "Altavista Connection" and go west on the old Virginian to Roanoke! A 25 car passenger car train on the Virginian! Aubrey Wiley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know the Main to Bluefield was double track this far, and I know that it is Double Tracked from Narrows to Bluefield. Now my question is was it double track between Walton and Narrows back in the 50s? As for the Pocahontas Division I know it had the Clinch Valley and Pocahontas District, as well as many branches. But my questions are mainly for the Pocahontas district. Exactly how far was it electrified? I have read to Vivian and I have read Iaeger. I know electrification ended when the new alignment came about which was 1950 right? Now for the Kicker, where exactly did the old alignment go? This weekend I was on the Pocahontas and made it to the west end of Elkhorn Tunnel and I think I was able to spot the Old alignment to the North of the current one, it was higher and was across the hollow. So where did it tie into everything on the East side of the hill? I ask because I was in Coopers as well. Now for the Last question, Where exactly did the Scioto Division begin? What all did it include? and what division is it part of in todays NS System? Here is the photo album from this weekend: *http://tinyurl.com/pokey-oct09* Oh one last question, this is for you Virginian folks. Right now the Virginian connects to the Christiansburg district at Narrows. Now I suspect that the PD district that comes off the Christiansburg at PD jct is also old Virginian am I correct on my assumption? and I also assume if I am correct that the Virginian originally went stright through, and that N&W abandoned the section between Narrows and PD jct. after the merger. Is the correct or am I all wrong? Please educate me. Thanks in advance, Nathan PS I hope I didn't ask too many "Duh" questions, and I would research it myself. But at the moment I don't have the time. However after I get caught up on things I plan to do some research on some stuff. One thing being the Dry Fork Branch. -- Nathan Simmons trainman51 at gmail.com http://www.t-51.org KI4MSK From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 5 17:51:15 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:51:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Excursion train on the Virginian Message-ID: <2698068.1257461475896.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 00:42:30 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:42:30 -0600 Subject: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s In-Reply-To: <4AF358E4.7010002@gmail.com> References: <4AF358E4.7010002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01ca5ea3$eec3a5c0$cc4af140$@net> Now my question is was it double track between Walton and Narrows back in the 50s? It was double track all the way until after the merger with Virginian in 1959. The old Virginian became the new eastbound main east of Kellysville. Later the Virginian right of way was used for a new highway from Glen Lyn to Narrows, so the Virginian is now the eastbound main east of Narrows. Exactly how far was it electrified? I have read to Vivian and I have read Iaeger. Both are right, depending on what year. It eventually was as far as Iaeger. I know electrification ended when the new alignment came about which was 1950 right? Now for the Kicker, where exactly did the old alignment go? It went to the east end of the new bridge at Cooper. The old bridge veered to the north of the new alignment, and was demolished when the new bridge went in service. Now for the Last question, Where exactly did the Scioto Division begin? What all did it include? and what division is it part of in todays NS System? It was everything west of Williamson. I'm not up to date on the NS division names. Oh one last question, this is for you Virginian folks. Right now the Virginian connects to the Christiansburg district at Narrows. Now I suspect that the PD district that comes off the Christiansburg at PD jct is also old Virginian am I correct on my assumption? and I also assume if I am correct that the Virginian originally went stright through, and that N&W abandoned the section between Narrows and PD jct. after the merger. Is the correct or am I all wrong? Please educate me. Since I don't know what you mean by the PD district, I can't give an intelligent answer; but I can tell you that nothing east of Narrows has been abandoned. The old Virginian between Narrows and Kellysville, WV has been abandoned. Jim Nichols From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 08:26:07 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:26:07 -0500 Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler Message-ID: <5A160294CE5E472DB330116FEF8A4B80@Gene> Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and the instructions did say to ask questions.. I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I can also remember conversation from the shop people about the high pressure boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told that it had a Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what type of boiler was used and are drawings available? Thank you; Gene Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 09:47:42 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:47:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: R&R in Pulaski... In-Reply-To: <404327.5006.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <439444.75549.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/reconstruction_renovations_start_at_historic_pulaski_train_station/60302/ Thanks for the referral, Ned. Good morning, Frank From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 10:43:34 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:43:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler Message-ID: <792032285.2130309.1257522214886.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 11:30:53 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:30:53 -0500 Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler References: <5A160294CE5E472DB330116FEF8A4B80@Gene> Message-ID: <43BE8A88003F41E9A1FB8DC44BD25FD3@lewisdl0ls5whv> Louis Newton's book, Rails Remembered, Volume IV, is the best source to begin with. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and the instructions did say to ask questions.. I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I can also remember conversation from the shop people about the high pressure boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told that it had a Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what type of boiler was used and are drawings available? Thank you; Gene Arnold ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 12:11:39 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:11:39 -0600 Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler In-Reply-To: <792032285.2130309.1257522214886.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net> References: <792032285.2130309.1257522214886.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <002601ca5f04$346b0fe0$9d412fa0$@net> Unlike the conventional locomotive boilers we are used to, it was rectangular in shape. Also had a moving grate ? coal in one end and ashes out the other. Jim Nichols From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:44 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Jawn Henery Boiler I have to check, but I believe that in the book written on the Jawn, there was a diagram of the boiler. It may also be in a book titled the N&W the last 25 years of steam. All my books are in boxes so it will take a while to find them. Perhaps someone else may have better access. Regards, Kurt S. Kramke Nov 6, 2009 08:50:43 AM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote: Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and the instructions did say to ask questions.. I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I can also remember conversation from the shop people about the high pressure boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told that it had a Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what type of boiler was used and are drawings available? Thank you; Gene Arnold _____ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 13:28:50 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:28:50 -0500 Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler In-Reply-To: <792032285.2130309.1257522214886.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net> References: <792032285.2130309.1257522214886.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: The water tube boiler designed for the 2300 was made by Baldwin and are not available in the Archives. A water tube boiler has the water inside the tubes/flues and not the hot combustion gases which pass through the tubes/flues in 'conventional' construction. This structure allows a higher pressure to be safely maintained in the boiler. There are a number of thermodynamic and heat transfer improvements between a water tube boiler operating at high pressure over the normal locomotive boilers with the water outside the tubes/flues. Gary Rolih Secretary N&WHS _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:44 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Jawn Henery Boiler I have to check, but I believe that in the book written on the Jawn, there was a diagram of the boiler. It may also be in a book titled the N&W the last 25 years of steam. All my books are in boxes so it will take a while to find them. Perhaps someone else may have better access. Regards, Kurt S. Kramke Nov 6, 2009 08:50:43 AM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote: Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and the instructions did say to ask questions.. I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I can also remember conversation from the shop people about the high pressure boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told that it had a Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what type of boiler was used and are drawings available? Thank you; Gene Arnold _____ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 20:40:42 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 20:40:42 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Union station Message-ID: <817DE105BD55471D90E2D84535F96D6E@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 29, 1910 RAILROADS DISAGREE ON UNION STATION PLANS ------ Breach Between Norfolk and Western And Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio Stop Work at St. Paul Work has been stopped on the union station at St. Paul. It is rumored that the Norfolk and Western and the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio have disagreed upon the plans. The Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio, according to the story which is being told, wants the depot placed so that the Norfolk and Western shall use one side while the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio will use the other. The plans as approved before the appropriations were made call for both tracks to run on the same side of the depot. This has caused a breach which it is said has been big enough to stop work on the station. The matter may have to go to the Virginia corporation commission before it can be settled. Nearly all the material to be used in the construction of the depot is on the ground and ready for the work to be pushed. ------ [My recollection is that the station ended up on the north side of the N&W track which was north of the CC&O track. Correct? This was in accordance with the original plans described in the article.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 14:06:37 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:06:37 -0500 Subject: R&R in Pulaski... References: <439444.75549.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F8E6F9E7FED41308F48BFC63AD62BF0@Jimmy> Knowing that the station at Buena Vista was also of stone masonry, I wonder if the station at Pulaski is of similar design? Still looking for good pictures of the Buena Vista station, Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 20:32:56 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:32:56 -0500 Subject: John Henry boiler References: Message-ID: <018301ca5f4a$3c2d97c0$e430fea9@lmnewton> The boiler for N&W 2300, sometimes known as "Jawn Henry," was an adaptation of a Babcock & Wlicox marine water-tube steam generator with a pressure of 600 psi and steam temperature of 900 degrees F.. Some of the boiler drawings are on file at the James N. Gillum Archives of the Norfolk & Western Historical Society in Roanoke. An account of the construction, testing and operation of N&W 2300 is contained in my book RAILS REMEMBERED - Volume 4 - "The Tale of a Turbine," which is available through the N&WHS Commisary. Louis Newton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 11 > Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s (NW Mailing List) > 2. RE: Excursion train on the Virginian (NW Mailing List) > 3. RE: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s (NW Mailing List) > 4. Jawn Henery Boiler (NW Mailing List) > 5. R&R in Pulaski... (NW Mailing List) > 6. Re: Jawn Henery Boiler (NW Mailing List) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:59:48 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s > To: NWHS > Message-ID: <4AF358E4.7010002 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > It seems the older I get the more I wish I could have lived in the past > to see the Y6s, As, and Js. I guess it is the History buff in me. (After > all I'm only 23). This email I m sending so that I can learn some more > about the Divisions west of Roanoke as well as to show ya'll my my > photos from this past weekend which was a trip west of Bluefield. > > So here goes, I know the Pulaski District came off at Walton and went > down to Bristol. I know the Main to Bluefield was double track this far, > and I know that it is Double Tracked from Narrows to Bluefield. Now my > question is was it double track between Walton and Narrows back in the > 50s? > > As for the Pocahontas Division I know it had the Clinch Valley and > Pocahontas District, as well as many branches. But my questions are > mainly for the Pocahontas district. Exactly how far was it electrified? > I have read to Vivian and I have read Iaeger. I know electrification > ended when the new alignment came about which was 1950 right? Now for > the Kicker, where exactly did the old alignment go? This weekend I was > on the Pocahontas and made it to the west end of Elkhorn Tunnel and I > think I was able to spot the Old alignment to the North of the current > one, it was higher and was across the hollow. So where did it tie into > everything on the East side of the hill? I ask because I was in Coopers > as well. > > Now for the Last question, Where exactly did the Scioto Division begin? > What all did it include? and what division is it part of in todays NS > System? > > Here is the photo album from this weekend: > *http://tinyurl.com/pokey-oct09* > > Oh one last question, this is for you Virginian folks. Right now the > Virginian connects to the Christiansburg district at Narrows. Now I > suspect that the PD district that comes off the Christiansburg at PD jct > is also old Virginian am I correct on my assumption? and I also assume > if I am correct that the Virginian originally went stright through, and > that N&W abandoned the section between Narrows and PD jct. after the > merger. Is the correct or am I all wrong? Please educate me. > > Thanks in advance, > Nathan > > PS I hope I didn't ask too many "Duh" questions, and I would research it > myself. But at the moment I don't have the time. However after I get > caught up on things I plan to do some research on some stuff. One thing > being the Dry Fork Branch. > > -- > Nathan Simmons > trainman51 at gmail.com > http://www.t-51.org > KI4MSK > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:51:15 -0500 (EST) > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: RE: Excursion train on the Virginian > To: NW Mailing List > Message-ID: > <2698068.1257461475896.JavaMail.root at wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:42:30 -0600 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: RE: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s > To: "'NW Mailing List'" > Message-ID: <002a01ca5ea3$eec3a5c0$cc4af140$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Now my > question is was it double track between Walton and Narrows back in the > 50s? > > It was double track all the way until after the merger with Virginian in > 1959. The old Virginian became the new eastbound main east of Kellysville. > Later the Virginian right of way was used for a new highway from Glen Lyn > to > Narrows, so the Virginian is now the eastbound main east of Narrows. > > Exactly how far was it electrified? > I have read to Vivian and I have read Iaeger. > > Both are right, depending on what year. It eventually was as far as > Iaeger. > > I know electrification > ended when the new alignment came about which was 1950 right? Now for > the Kicker, where exactly did the old alignment go? > > It went to the east end of the new bridge at Cooper. The old bridge veered > to the north of the new alignment, and was demolished when the new bridge > went in service. > > Now for the Last question, Where exactly did the Scioto Division begin? > What all did it include? and what division is it part of in todays NS > System? > > It was everything west of Williamson. I'm not up to date on the NS > division > names. > > > Oh one last question, this is for you Virginian folks. Right now the > Virginian connects to the Christiansburg district at Narrows. Now I > suspect that the PD district that comes off the Christiansburg at PD jct > is also old Virginian am I correct on my assumption? and I also assume > if I am correct that the Virginian originally went stright through, and > that N&W abandoned the section between Narrows and PD jct. after the > merger. Is the correct or am I all wrong? Please educate me. > > Since I don't know what you mean by the PD district, I can't give an > intelligent answer; but I can tell you that nothing east of Narrows has > been > abandoned. The old Virginian between Narrows and Kellysville, WV has been > abandoned. > > Jim Nichols > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:26:07 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler > To: > Message-ID: <5A160294CE5E472DB330116FEF8A4B80 at Gene> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and the > instructions did say to ask questions.. > I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I can > also remember conversation from the shop people about the high pressure > boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told that it had > a Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what type of > boiler was used and are drawings available? > > Thank you; > Gene Arnold > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:47:42 -0800 (PST) > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: R&R in Pulaski... > To: Ned Wright > Message-ID: <439444.75549.qm at web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/reconstruction_renovations_start_at_historic_pulaski_train_station/60302/ > > Thanks for the referral, Ned. > > Good morning, > > Frank > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:43:34 -0600 (CST) > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: Jawn Henery Boiler > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Message-ID: > <792032285.2130309.1257522214886.JavaMail.root at vms182.mailsrvcs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 11 > *********************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.52/2484 - Release Date: 11/06/09 07:38:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Nov 7 21:23:38 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:23:38 -0500 Subject: Scioto Division References: <4AF358E4.7010002@gmail.com> <002a01ca5ea3$eec3a5c0$cc4af140$@net> Message-ID: <8754223DB7DC40BE86697E0980D1AB79@daddylonglegs> Presently, the line from Williamson to Vera is part of the Pocahontas Division. Vera to Sandusky is part of the Lake Division. The Lake Division still handles the dispatching from Star Yard to Vera, however. The Peavine was part of the Lake Division; it might now be with the Central Division, I'm not sure about that. Keith Baker Ft Wayne, IN From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 22:04:20 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:04:20 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Scalded Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 1, 1910 ENGINEER HONAKER SCALDED TO DEATH ------ Caught Under Engine and Escaping Steam Literally Cooked Him in Few Minutes Charles Honaker, one of the best known engineers on the Clinch Valley division, was scalded to death between Big Bull Mountain tunnel and Little Bull Mountain tunnel, near Virginia City on the Clinch Valley yesterday about 11 o'clock, when an engine overturned and escaping steam literally cooked him in a few seconds. His fireman, John Jones [but not John Luther Jones], was also scalded, but his injuries are not serious. Several cars were piled up on the side track and engine, tender and cars all were laid against the bank. A broken flange is supposed to have caused the overturn of the engine and the overturn was so sudden that the engineer did not have a chance to get off or even do anything to save himself. Practically caught in his seat with his hand on the throttle he was scalded to death [just like Joe Brady] with no human aid within reach. Honaker formerly lived in this city and had a house on Allen street, where his family resided. He finally accepted a run on the trip between Fink and Norton and moved his family to Fink so he could be near his work. Yesterday there was a circus at St. Paul and the man started his run early so that he would be able to get through in time to see the circus. He was making the run to Norton when the sudden accident snatched his life away and make orphans of his three children. Honaker was unusually popular among the railroad men and yesterday, when it was learned that he was killed, a number of them went to the scene of the accident but found that his remains were being brought to this city on train No. 6. The people got off No. 11 and came back with the remains to Bluefield and the body was taken to the Bluefield Undertaking parlors where it was prepared for burial before being taken to the home of Floyd Furrow on Reese street from which place the funeral will take place. Interment will be in Maple Park cemetery. [The remainder of the article is about his family and is omitted here.] ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 22:04:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:04:46 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910 - Union Station References: Message-ID: <01dc01ca5f57$10351c30$e430fea9@lmnewton> You are correct, Gordon. The union station at St. Paul was north of both the N&W and CC&O main tracks. Louis Newton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:00 PM Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 > Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jawn Henery Boiler (NW Mailing List) > 2. RE: Jawn Henery Boiler (NW Mailing List) > 3. RE: Jawn Henery Boiler (NW Mailing List) > 4. N&W in 1910--Union station (NW Mailing List) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:30:53 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: Jawn Henery Boiler > To: "NW Mailing List" > Message-ID: <43BE8A88003F41E9A1FB8DC44BD25FD3 at lewisdl0ls5whv> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Louis Newton's book, Rails Remembered, Volume IV, is the best source to > begin with. > > Bud Jeffries > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:26 AM > Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler > > > Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and > the instructions did say to ask questions.. > I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I > can also remember conversation from the shop people about the high > pressure boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told > that it had a Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what > type of boiler was used and are drawings available? > > Thank you; > Gene Arnold > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:11:39 -0600 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: RE: Jawn Henery Boiler > To: "'NW Mailing List'" > Message-ID: <002601ca5f04$346b0fe0$9d412fa0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Unlike the conventional locomotive boilers we are used to, it was > rectangular in shape. Also had a moving grate ? coal in one end and ashes > out the other. Jim Nichols > > > > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org > [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:44 AM > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: Jawn Henery Boiler > > > > I have to check, but I believe that in the book written on the Jawn, there > was a diagram of the boiler. > > It may also be in a book titled the N&W the last 25 years of steam. All > my books are in boxes > > so it will take a while to find them. Perhaps someone else may have > better access. > > > > Regards, > > > > Kurt S. Kramke > > > Nov 6, 2009 08:50:43 AM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote: > > Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and the > instructions did say to ask questions.. > > I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I can > also remember conversation from the shop people about the high pressure > boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told that it had > a Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what type of > boiler was used and are drawings available? > > > > Thank you; > > Gene Arnold > > > > _____ > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:28:50 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: RE: Jawn Henery Boiler > To: "'NW Mailing List'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The water tube boiler designed for the 2300 was made by Baldwin and are > not > available in the Archives. > > > > A water tube boiler has the water inside the tubes/flues and not the hot > combustion gases which pass through the tubes/flues in 'conventional' > construction. This structure allows a higher pressure to be safely > maintained in the boiler. There are a number of thermodynamic and heat > transfer improvements between a water tube boiler operating at high > pressure > over the normal locomotive boilers with the water outside the tubes/flues. > > > > > Gary Rolih > > Secretary N&WHS > > > > > > _____ > > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org > [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:44 AM > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: Jawn Henery Boiler > > > > I have to check, but I believe that in the book written on the Jawn, there > was a diagram of the boiler. > > It may also be in a book titled the N&W the last 25 years of steam. All > my > books are in boxes > > so it will take a while to find them. Perhaps someone else may have > better > access. > > > > Regards, > > > > Kurt S. Kramke > > > Nov 6, 2009 08:50:43 AM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote: > > Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and the > instructions did say to ask questions.. > > I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I can > also remember conversation from the shop people about the high pressure > boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told that it had > a > Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what type of boiler > was used and are drawings available? > > > > Thank you; > > Gene Arnold > > > > > _____ > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 20:40:42 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: N&W in 1910--Union station > To: "3N&W Mailing List" > Message-ID: <817DE105BD55471D90E2D84535F96D6E at DellVostro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > April 29, 1910 > > RAILROADS DISAGREE ON UNION STATION PLANS > ------ > Breach Between Norfolk and Western And Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio Stop > Work at St. Paul > Work has been stopped on the union station at St. Paul. It is rumored > that the Norfolk and Western and the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio have > disagreed upon the plans. The Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio, according > to the story which is being told, wants the depot placed so that the > Norfolk and Western shall use one side while the Carolina, Clinchfield and > Ohio will use the other. The plans as approved before the appropriations > were made call for both tracks to run on the same side of the depot. This > has caused a breach which it is said has been big enough to stop work on > the station. The matter may have to go to the Virginia corporation > commission before it can be settled. Nearly all the material to be used > in the construction of the depot is on the ground and ready for the work > to be pushed. > ------ > [My recollection is that the station ended up on the north side of the N&W > track which was north of the CC&O track. Correct? This was in accordance > with the original plans described in the article.] > > Gordon Hamilton > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 > *********************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.52/2485 - Release Date: 11/06/09 19:39:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 23:17:26 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:17:26 -0500 Subject: Fw: N&W in 1910--Scalded CORRECTION Message-ID: <1CB9B60721584CF9A37E5DC74B613755@DellVostro> In my previous message where I wrote "just like Joe Brady" for Joseph A. (Steve) Broady, I should have written "just like Steve Broady" because that is the name that is most familiar. Incidentally, Steve Broady was off the N&W. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Hamilton To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Scalded Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 1, 1910 ENGINEER HONAKER SCALDED TO DEATH ------ Caught Under Engine and Escaping Steam Literally Cooked Him in Few Minutes Charles Honaker, one of the best known engineers on the Clinch Valley division, was scalded to death between Big Bull Mountain tunnel and Little Bull Mountain tunnel, near Virginia City on the Clinch Valley yesterday about 11 o'clock, when an engine overturned and escaping steam literally cooked him in a few seconds. His fireman, John Jones [but not John Luther Jones], was also scalded, but his injuries are not serious. Several cars were piled up on the side track and engine, tender and cars all were laid against the bank. A broken flange is supposed to have caused the overturn of the engine and the overturn was so sudden that the engineer did not have a chance to get off or even do anything to save himself. Practically caught in his seat with his hand on the throttle he was scalded to death [just like Joe Brady] with no human aid within reach. Honaker formerly lived in this city and had a house on Allen street, where his family resided. He finally accepted a run on the trip between Fink and Norton and moved his family to Fink so he could be near his work. Yesterday there was a circus at St. Paul and the man started his run early so that he would be able to get through in time to see the circus. He was making the run to Norton when the sudden accident snatched his life away and make orphans of his three children. Honaker was unusually popular among the railroad men and yesterday, when it was learned that he was killed, a number of them went to the scene of the accident but found that his remains were being brought to this city on train No. 6. The people got off No. 11 and came back with the remains to Bluefield and the body was taken to the Bluefield Undertaking parlors where it was prepared for burial before being taken to the home of Floyd Furrow on Reese street from which place the funeral will take place. Interment will be in Maple Park cemetery. [The remainder of the article is about his family and is omitted here.] ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 6 23:34:37 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:34:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: R&R in Pulaski...and Buena Vista Message-ID: <16977165.1257568477461.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Nov 7 09:54:54 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:54:54 -0500 Subject: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s In-Reply-To: <4AF358E4.7010002@gmail.com> References: <4AF358E4.7010002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC2DD166865359-16AC-1C50D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Nathan, I grew up in the Scioto Division and my father and grandfather were Operator/Levermen at the various interlocking towers throughout the division. Since I lived in Ohio at the end of the westbound line I don't know a lot about the division east of Portsmouth. The Scioto Division began west of Williamson and ran to Columbus, Ohio with a branch to Cincinnati, Ohio. There was a big classification yard at Portsmouth. From there it was doubletracked all the way to Columbus where there were two yards. Watkins Yard was at the South end of Columbus and was where all coal drags were broken down for interchange with the C & O, the PRR and the NYC. There was a small exchange yard next to Watkins for the C & O. It was called Mozelle Yard. It had about 6 tracks if I recall correctly. The other yard in Columbus was Joyce Avenue Yard. This was the actual end of the N & W until the merger with NKP in the mid 60s. This was the freight and passenger yard. The line from Portsmouth to Columbus was called the Valley. There was a 14 mile grade between Chillicothe, Ohio and Kingston, Ohio that required helpers. They were kept at a siding just north of Chillicothe and ran to Kingston and backed down the hill to Chillicothe. Somtime in the late 50s or early 60s they removed a section of the double track main between Waverly, Ohio and Chillicothe, Ohio. That move never made sense to me. The interchanges were at Waverly, Ohio at Glen Jean Tower with the DT & I. In Chillicothe, Ohio at Renick Tower with the MCRR (Marietta, Cincinnati RailRoad) which was later the CH & D ( Cincinnati, Hamilton and Dayton) and finally I believe it was the B & O. At Circleville, Ohio the interchange was with the PRR and was controlled by Circleville Tower. At Valley Crossing, Ohio it was with the HVRR (Hocking Valley Railroad) which later became part of the C & O and was controlled by Valley Crossing Tower. Bannon Tower at the north end of Watkins yard controlled an interchange with the PRR. Just at the north end of Portsmouth, Ohio was a branch line to Cincinnati, Ohio. It was called the Peavine. It was single track with lots of curves and at least one grade, between Lawshe and Winchester, that required helpers until the Class As showed up. It ended at Claire Yard in Cincinnati. My Great Grandfather was a Hostler in Chillicothe, Ohio for the MCRR. My Grandfather and my Father worked at the yards in Portsmouth and at the towers in Glen Jean, Renick, Circleville, Valley Crossing and Bannon. I used to go to work with him during the summer months. I saw the 1200s, 2100s, 1100s, and even saw Jawn Henry once. The passenger engines were not the Northeren 4-8-4, 600 series. I believe they were shrouded 2-8-4s. Was it a K2?. The train that ran from Portsmouth to Columbus was called the Cavalier and its engine was numbered in the 120s. This is all from memory and I'm 67. So if I gaffed please forgive me, but I think I'm reasonably accurate. From: NW Mailing List To: NWHS Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59 pm Subject: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s It seems the older I get the more I wish I could have lived in the past to see the Y6s, As, and Js. I guess it is the History buff in me. (After all I'm only 23). This email I m sending so that I can learn some more about the Divisions west of Roanoke as well as to show ya'll my my photos from this past weekend which was a trip west of Bluefield. So here goes, I know the Pulaski District came off at Walton and went down to Bristol. I know the Main to Bluefield was double track this far, and I know that it is Double Tracked from Narrows to Bluefield. Now my question is was it double track between Walton and Narrows back in the 50s? As for the Pocahontas Division I know it had the Clinch Valley and Pocahontas District, as well as many branches. But my questions are mainly for the Pocahontas district. Exactly how far was it electrified? I have read to Vivian and I have read Iaeger. I know electrification ended when the new alignment came about which was 1950 right? Now for the Kicker, where exactly did the old alignment go? This weekend I was on the Pocahontas and made it to the west end of Elkhorn Tunnel and I think I was able to spot the Old alignment to the North of the current one, it was higher and was across the hollow. So where did it tie into everything on the East side of the hill? I ask because I was in Coopers as well. Now for the Last question, Where exactly did the Scioto Division begin? What all did it include? and what division is it part of in todays NS System? Here is the photo album from this weekend: *http://tinyurl.com/pokey-oct09* Oh one last question, this is for you Virginian folks. Right now the Virginian connects to the Christiansburg district at Narrows. Now I suspect that the PD district that comes off the Christiansburg at PD jct is also old Virginian am I correct on my assumption? and I also assume if I am correct that the Virginian originally went stright through, and that N&W abandoned the section between Narrows and PD jct. after the merger. Is the correct or am I all wrong? Please educate me. Thanks in advance, Nathan PS I hope I didn't ask too many "Duh" questions, and I would research it myself. But at the moment I don't have the time. However after I get caught up on things I plan to do some research on some stuff. One thing being the Dry Fork Branch. -- Nathan Simmons trainman51 at gmail.com http://www.t-51.org KI4MSK ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Clements, of Giatto. ------ Notice for Pistol License Notice is hereby given that the undersigned will apply to the circuit court of Mercer county on May 19th, 1910, for license to carry a pistol in accordance with section T, chapter 142 of the code of West Virginia as amended and re-enacted by the legislature in 1909. C. HECK, Passenger Conductor, N. & W. Ry. ------ [This is another example how West Virginia must have been like the Wild West in those days with passenger conductors having to pack heat.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Nov 7 11:29:59 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:29:59 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Joy ride Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 3, 1910 TOOK JOY RIDE ON GASOLINE CAR ------ Man and Three Women Injured Sunday Night Trying to Outrun Passenger Train Three women and one man were injured Sunday about midnight near Roderfield, while taking a joy ride on one of the Norfolk and Western gasoline cars which are used by the signal corps. The quartet, which consisted of a man said to be R. K. Camper, and Florence Christian, Dora Davis and Rebecca Deskins got on the car after No. 3 passed and then an attempt was made to have the car keep up with No. 3. Hair and hats flew in every direction until finally one of the women's dresses caught in a wheel and everyone pitched forward while the car took a trip over the bank. The man took to the mountains and disappeared while the women were removed to the miner's hospital at Welch where one of them was found to be quite badly injured. Rebecca Deskins was the most seriously hurt, having received a broken collar bone and internal injuries. It appears that the man who took the car, as far as can be learned, was not in the employ of the company but decided that since he knew how to operate the car, and the cook, chambermaid and waitress at the hotel wanted a ride, the best thing he could do was to take them out. All went on the joy ride, but it had a most unfortunate ending, which will probably discourage men who know how to operate cars from taking their women friends out on joy rides. As far as is known this is the first time since the cars were purchased that women who have been riding the cars have been injured. On several occasions, it is reported, women have gone riding on the cars, but the railroad officials knew nothing of it. It was reported here yesterday that a man named Beckner was also in the party which took the ride. ------ [Taking a joy ride on the busy Pocahontas Division main line after dark--Duh!] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Nov 7 17:05:49 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:05:49 -0500 Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler References: <5A160294CE5E472DB330116FEF8A4B80@Gene> Message-ID: I've attached a copy of the boiler information from my Operator's Manual. If you've been around high pressure boilers (i.e., US Navy), this description may help you picture the boiler. Steve Watson VaBeach, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: Jawn Henery Boiler Well,,, this is my first attempt at this N&W mailing list thingie, and the instructions did say to ask questions.. I remember the "Jawn Henry" in the Bluefield yards in the late 50's, I can also remember conversation from the shop people about the high pressure boiler and their fear of it's 600 lbs of pressure. I was told that it had a Marine "M" type B&W water tube boiler. My question is; what type of boiler was used and are drawings available? Thank you; Gene Arnold ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Jawn Henry Operators Manual - Boiler.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 407958 bytes Desc: not available Url : From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Nov 7 22:52:01 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:52:01 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Passenger train wreck Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 17, 1910 PASSENGER TRAIN ON VIRGINIAN WRECKED ------ Three Cars Left Track, Smoker Falling on Its Side, But No One Was Injured Passenger train No. 13, on the Virginian Railway, was wrecked yesterday by a spread rail between Glen Lyn and Oakvale, opposite the Kelley Axe Handle Factory. The train consisted of the engine, combination smoker and baggage car, day coach and club car. All of the cars and the tender left the track, the smoker falling on its side in the cut where the derailment occurred. If it had not been for the cut it is likely that the car would have broken loose and fallen over the bank. No one was injured, but passengers arriving in this city last night said all were badly frightened. The train left Roanoke at 7:45 yesterday morning and the wreck occurred at 10:45. The afternoon train which reached the scene of the wreck about 4 o'clock transferred passengers, taking them to Princeton and the west, while another train carried passengers east. A telephone message to the superintendent's office at Princeton elicited the information that the cause was under investigation, but an unofficial report stated that a spread rail was the cause. Passengers on the Norfolk and Western afternoon trains had a good chance to see the wreck and the workmen replacing ties and rails. This is the first passenger wreck of any importance which the new road has had. ------ [Has this wreck been chronicled in any publication about the Virginian?] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 8 00:33:58 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:33:58 -0500 Subject: Steam questions Message-ID: <4AF65846.2010707@gmail.com> Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for some reason. Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater pump perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there is a Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine coasting. Thanks ahead of time, Nathan -- Nathan Simmons trainman51 at gmail.com http://www.t-51.org KI4MSK From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 8 06:35:48 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 6:35:48 -0500 Subject: Steam questions In-Reply-To: <4AF65846.2010707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091108113548.OY61Z.191585.root@hrndva-web28-z01> N&W used vertical or "grapevine" throttle levers on all the locomotives equipped with front end throttles, which included all the As, Js Y-5s, Y-6s, Y-6as and Y-6bs. The K-1s were equipped with vertical throttle levers that operated the dome throttle through an external throttle rod. This was not a matter of preference, but of practical application to the problem. That rhythmic "thump-thump-thump" was the sound of the exhaust of the air pumps. It could not be heard if the locomotive was working hard, but only if the throttle was closed or nearly so. EdKing ---- NW Mailing List wrote: > Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part > quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for > the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I > think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that > was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for some > reason. > > Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for > someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working > Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is > rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a > Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater pump > perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there is a > Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is > still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine coasting. > > Thanks ahead of time, > Nathan > > -- > Nathan Simmons > trainman51 at gmail.com > http://www.t-51.org > KI4MSK > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 8 08:18:19 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:18:19 -0500 Subject: Jawn Henry Boiler Message-ID: I've attached a copy of the boiler information from my Operator's Manual. If you've been around high pressure boilers (i.e., US Navy), this description may help you picture the boiler. Steve Watson VaBeach, VA Mr. Watson; I thank you sir for responding and especially for the attachment of the 2300 boiler opt. Manual. I will make copy for my personal files. I graduated from the U.S. Navy class A Boiler School, Great Lakes, Ill. in 1958. I spent 4 very enjoyable years on Destroyers with "M" type boilers. My experience with this type boiler gave reason for my question. I new that the "M" was equipped with two oil burning fire boxes, one for saturated steam, and the other for superheated steam. I also reasoned that the close vertical tube configuration from the steam drum to the mud drums would present a trap for cinders and soot, as would have been a similar problem in the stack exhaust as the gasses past the economizers ( feed water heaters). I also knew that if the turbines were not turning, the super heater side had to be either secured, or an amount of steam allowed to pass to prevent the SH tubes from giving way. I could see how a high pressure water tube boiler could be reconfigured, but I could not reason that an "M" marine boiler could have just been set in place on the locomotive. I would very much like to see a drawing. Mr. Newton suggested that such a drawing is available in the N&W archives. I will attempt to find out how I can have access to the drawings. Thank you; Gene Arnold Gloucester, Va. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 8 09:25:07 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:25:07 -0500 Subject: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s In-Reply-To: <8CC2DD166865359-16AC-1C50D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> References: <4AF358E4.7010002@gmail.com> <8CC2DD166865359-16AC-1C50D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <015101ca607f$49510500$dbf30f00$@net> To the gentleman who responded to Nathan Simmons about the Scioto Division: Do you know the dates the N&W used helpers on the Kingston hill west of Chillicothe? I don't remember them. Bob McKell Chillicothe, Ohio From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:55 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s Nathan, I grew up in the Scioto Division and my father and grandfather were Operator/Levermen at the various interlocking towers throughout the division. Since I lived in Ohio at the end of the westbound line I don't know a lot about the division east of Portsmouth. The Scioto Division began west of Williamson and ran to Columbus, Ohio with a branch to Cincinnati, Ohio. There was a big classification yard at Portsmouth. From there it was doubletracked all the way to Columbus where there were two yards. Watkins Yard was at the South end of Columbus and was where all coal drags were broken down for interchange with the C & O, the PRR and the NYC. There was a small exchange yard next to Watkins for the C & O. It was called Mozelle Yard. It had about 6 tracks if I recall correctly. The other yard in Columbus was Joyce Avenue Yard. This was the actual end of the N & W until the merger with NKP in the mid 60s. This was the freight and passenger yard. The line from Portsmouth to Columbus was called the Valley. There was a 14 mile grade between Chillicothe, Ohio and Kingston, Ohio that required helpers. They were kept at a siding just north of Chillicothe and ran to Kingston and backed down the hill to Chillicothe. Somtime in the late 50s or early 60s they removed a section of the double track main between Waverly, Ohio and Chillicothe, Ohio. That move never made sense to me. The interchanges were at Waverly, Ohio at Glen Jean Tower with the DT & I. In Chillicothe, Ohio at Renick Tower with the MCRR (Marietta, Cincinnati RailRoad) which was later the CH & D ( Cincinnati, Hamilton and Dayton) and finally I believe it was the B & O. At Circleville, Ohio the interchange was with the PRR and was controlled by Circleville Tower. At Valley Crossing, Ohio it was with the HVRR (Hocking Valley Railroad) which later became part of the C & O and was controlled by Valley Crossing Tower. Bannon Tower at the north end of Watkins yard controlled an interchange with the PRR. Just at the north end of Portsmouth, Ohio was a branch line to Cincinnati, Ohio. It was called the Peavine. It was single track with lots of curves and at least one grade, between Lawshe and Winchester, that required helpers until the Class As showed up. It ended at Claire Yard in Cincinnati. My Great Grandfather was a Hostler in Chillicothe, Ohio for the MCRR. My Grandfather and my Father worked at the yards in Portsmouth and at the towers in Glen Jean, Renick, Circleville, Valley Crossing and Bannon. I used to go to work with him during the summer months. I saw the 1200s, 2100s, 1100s, and even saw Jawn Henry once. The passenger engines were not the Northeren 4-8-4, 600 series. I believe they were shrouded 2-8-4s. Was it a K2?. The train that ran from Portsmouth to Columbus was called the Cavalier and its engine was numbered in the 120s. This is all from memory and I'm 67. So if I gaffed please forgive me, but I think I'm reasonably accurate. From: NW Mailing List To: NWHS Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59 pm Subject: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s It seems the older I get the more I wish I could have lived in the past to see the Y6s, As, and Js. I guess it is the History buff in me. (After all I'm only 23). This email I m sending so that I can learn some more about the Divisions west of Roanoke as well as to show ya'll my my photos from this past weekend which was a trip west of Bluefield. So here goes, I know the Pulaski District came off at Walton and went down to Bristol. I know the Main to Bluefield was double track this far, and I know that it is Double Tracked from Narrows to Bluefield. Now my question is was it double track between Walton and Narrows back in the 50s? As for the Pocahontas Division I know it had the Clinch Valley and Pocahontas District, as well as many branches. But my questions are mainly for the Pocahontas district. Exactly how far was it electrified? I have read to Vivian and I have read Iaeger. I know electrification ended when the new alignment came about which was 1950 right? Now for the Kicker, where exactly did the old alignment go? This weekend I was on the Pocahontas and made it to the west end of Elkhorn Tunnel and I think I was able to spot the Old alignment to the North of the current one, it was higher and was across the hollow. So where did it tie into everything on the East side of the hill? I ask because I was in Coopers as well. Now for the Last question, Where exactly did the Scioto Division begin? What all did it include? and what division is it part of in todays NS System? Here is the photo album from this weekend: *http://tinyurl.com/pokey-oct09* Oh one last question, this is for you Virginian folks. Right now the Virginian connects to the Christiansburg district at Narrows. Now I suspect that the PD district that comes off the Christiansburg at PD jct is also old Virginian am I correct on my assumption? and I also assume if I am correct that the Virginian originally went stright through, and that N&W abandoned the section between Narrows and PD jct. after the merger. Is the correct or am I all wrong? Please educate me. Thanks in advance, Nathan PS I hope I didn't ask too many "Duh" questions, and I would research it myself. But at the moment I don't have the time. However after I get caught up on things I plan to do some research on some stuff. One thing being the Dry Fork Branch. -- Nathan Simmons trainman51 at gmail.com http://www.t-51.org KI4MSK ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 8 18:54:13 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:54:13 -0500 Subject: boiler for N&W 2300, "Jawn Henry" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C68A084BD864933AFE34404677C7EB4@NeillHPlaptop> Responding to the query and comments on the Jawn Henry (#2300) water tube boiler, I want to note that in the 37th Edition of Steam, the annual Babcock and Wilcox publication on that subject published in 1955, there is a photo of the boiler that would be installed in the 2300 set up for operational testing on a shop floor. It can be found on page 26-5. Its only resemblance to a locomotive in that image is strictly in terms of proportions and scale, and accomodation to the carbody style of the diesel-electric locomotives of the period seems to have been in the minds of its designers from inception. This seems to differ from some other designs for water tube boilers in locomotives, but consistent with the design used by the C&O "Chessie" project of roughly the same time. Sorry to have taken as much time in looking this up and posting. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 8 11:01:51 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:01:51 EST Subject: motor cars Message-ID: Does anyone have a roster or any data on N&W's motor cars? I have a VGN car (Sheffield Fairbanks Morse) that survived on N&W to 1984 and I hope there may be some information on the VGN cars after they came to N&W in 1959. I have already searched Virginian AFE's and found a little. To share what I am finding, I am building a web page on Virginian motor cars. Thanks in advance! Aubrey Wiley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 8 12:28:15 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:28:15 -0500 Subject: K-1 Tender Question Message-ID: <4AF6FFAF.4090607@btsrr.com> The K-1s were upgraded with larger, ex-C&O tenders.... were these tenders from the C&O 2-8-4s?? Thanks Bill -- == Scale Model Railroad Products == == Manufacturer - Retailer - Importer == Bill & Diane Wade B.T.S. RR 1 Box 141A Belington, WV 26250 Phone: 304-823-3729 FAX: 304-823-2901 http://www.btsrr.com We wish you Fair Winds and Following Seas.