Veterans Day 2009
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Wed Nov 11 16:31:22 EST 2009
Thanks to Gene Arnold for his remembrance of Veterans Day.
I agree with Bud Jeffries that the current members of our armed forces and
their families should continue to be in our thoughts and prayers. They are
serving under extremely difficcult condtions.
Louis Newton
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> 1. N&W in 1910--Clerks strike (NW Mailing List)
> 2. Re: Veterans Day 2009 (NW Mailing List)
> 3. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)
> 4. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)
> 5. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)
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> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:47:12 -0500
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> Subject: N&W in 1910--Clerks strike
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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph
> May 18, 1910
>
> RAILWAY CLERKS STRIKE
> OUT ALL OVER SYSTEM
> ------
> Demand Recognition of Union Which Norfolk and Western Refuses to
> Concede--Only Five Out in Bluefield
> The Brotherhood of Railway Clerks struck yesterday afternoon at 2:30
> and as a result men are out in this city, at Vivian, Elkhorn, Keystone,
> Williamson, St. Paul, Coeburn, Tazewell, East Radford, Roanoke and other
> points which it was impossible to hear from last night.
> To counteract the effect of the strike it leaked out from an official
> source last night that the Norfolk and Western will replace the men who
> have quit and will also discharge a number of others who have been
> prominent in the strike work.
> The demands of the strikers are that the Norfolk and Western adopt a
> schedule presented by the clerk's union in which the clerks ask that the
> men receive equal wages for equal work and also ask for promotion
> according to merit, the men having the opportunity to apply for vacancies
> according to their seniority, the same as is done by other orders. The
> men also want to have the privilege of allowing the union to settle their
> disputes and bring any grievances which may arise during the term of the
> contract. The union claims to represent ninety per cent of the men on the
> railroad payroll as clerical help outside of the general offices and shops
> at Roanoke. A man who is prominent in the union said last night that
> these are 535 men in the order.
> [The remainder of the article on the microfilm was too blurred to
> transcribe. The number 535 was also blurred, but the best interpretation
> is shown.]
> ------
>
> IN CITY AND COALFIELD
> ------
> First General Strike
> Not a single railroad man could be found here last night who remembered
> a time when the Norfolk and Western ever had a strike on its hands before
> in which any order or union called the men out all over the road. About
> five years ago there was a strike in which the Southern Express Company
> men and agents took part. So, the Norfolk and Western, as far as could be
> determined last night, was neutral in that matter.
> [Some words were blurred on the microfilm. The best interpretations are
> shown.]
>
> Gordon Hamilton
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> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:01:14 -0500
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: Veterans Day 2009
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> I thank you for your kind and thoughtful remarks on this Veterans Day
> 2009.
>
> May we also remember those in service to our country today and keep them
> in our thoughts and prayers. Now our armed forces are engaged in a very
> difficult conflict. Not only are our service members in harm's way, but
> the national attitude and resolve make it even more difficult for them and
> their families.
>
> Bud Jeffries
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> Veterans Day 2009
> Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Jeffries, Mr. Newton, and all of you Gentlemen who
> sacrificed, and served, or you who are now serving our Nation.
> I thank you for all that you have done.
>
> Gene Arnold
> Gloucester, Va.
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> Subject: Re: Steam questions
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> To expand on what Gordon Hamilton wrote about throttles -
>
> M's and W's and other engines whose cabs were mounted astraddle of the
> firebox had their throttles on top of the boiler for convenient handling
> by the engineer. These throttles operated a rod that went directly above
> the top of the boiler into the back of the steam dome (through a packing
> gland)where the actual throttle was located. The throttles described by
> Mr. Hamilton were on the E-2s, K-2 and K-2as M-2s and subclasses and
> earlier Mallets up through the Y-4s.
>
> EdKing
> ---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> Nathan,
>>
>> In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle
>> levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.
>>
>> Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which were
>> pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical centerline of
>> the
>> boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that typically passed
>> through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the vertical centerline
>> of
>> the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod reached through the
>> boiler
>> to a bell crank under the steam dome, and the other arm of the bell crank
>> raised or lowered the throttle valve when the rod from the throttle lever
>> in
>> the cab moved forward or backwards, respectively. I can think of two
>> problems with this throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the
>> rod
>> in the stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the
>> packing
>> than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a
>> dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a
>> vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off" position,
>> expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different than the
>> expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler raising the
>> throttle
>> valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders, which could cause the
>> locomotive to "walk away." This happened at times. The more modern
>> arrangement of the outside linkage associated with vertical throttle
>> levers
>> largely avoided this problem by incorporating a rocker lever mid way
>> between
>> the throttle lever and the throttle valve to provide compensation for the
>> expansion and contraction of the boiler.
>>
>> Gordon Hamilton
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM
>> Subject: Steam questions
>>
>>
>> > Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part
>> > quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for
>> > the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I
>> > think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that
>> > was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for some
>> > reason.
>> >
>> > Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for
>> > someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working
>> > Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is
>> > rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a
>> > Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater pump
>> > perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there is
>> > a
>> > Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is
>> > still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine
>> > coasting.
>> >
>> > Thanks ahead of time,
>> > Nathan
>> >
>> > --
>> > Nathan Simmons
>> > trainman51 at gmail.com
>> > http://www.t-51.org
>> > KI4MSK
>> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:15 -0500
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: Steam questions
> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> I have a question! In regards to the Y5's with a Bradford Front End
> throttle, why was it there and not in the steam dome? Did it provide a
> shorter path to the front engine when in Simple?
>
> MArk Lindsey
> Stuck in the 1930's
>
> On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:39 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>
> Nathan,
>
> In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle
> levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.
>
> Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which
> were pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical
> centerline of the boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that
> typically passed through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the
> vertical centerline of the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod
> reached through the boiler to a bell crank under the steam dome, and
> the other arm of the bell crank raised or lowered the throttle valve
> when the rod from the throttle lever in the cab moved forward or
> backwards, respectively. I can think of two problems with this
> throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the rod in the
> stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the packing
> than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a
> dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a
> vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off"
> position, expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different
> than the expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler
> raising the throttle valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders,
> which could cause the locomotive to "walk away." This happened at
> times. The more modern arrangement of the outside linkage associated
> with vertical throttle levers largely avoided this problem by
> incorporating a rocker lever mid way between the throttle lever and
> the throttle valve to provide compensation for the expansion and
> contraction of the boiler.
>
> Gordon Hamilton
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List"
> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
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> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM
> Subject: Steam questions
>
>
>> Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part
>> quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for
>> the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I
>> think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that
>> was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for
>> some
>> reason.
>>
>> Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for
>> someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working
>> Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is
>> rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a
>> Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater
>> pump
>> perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there
>> is a
>> Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is
>> still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine
>> coasting.
>>
>> Thanks ahead of time,
>> Nathan
>>
>> --
>> Nathan Simmons
>> trainman51 at gmail.com
>> http://www.t-51.org
>> KI4MSK
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:31:41 -0500
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: Steam questions
> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> Ed,
>
> Thanks for pointing out the other arrangement for the horizontal
> throttles.
> After I hit the send button I thought of the W's and M's with the firebox
> that extended so far back into the cab as to separate the engineer and
> fireman, and I realized that those throttles had to be ahead of the boiler
> backhead.
>
> Gordon Hamilton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Steam questions
>
>
>> To expand on what Gordon Hamilton wrote about throttles -
>>
>> M's and W's and other engines whose cabs were mounted astraddle of the
>> firebox had their throttles on top of the boiler for convenient handling
>> by the engineer. These throttles operated a rod that went directly above
>> the top of the boiler into the back of the steam dome (through a packing
>> gland)where the actual throttle was located. The throttles described by
>> Mr. Hamilton were on the E-2s, K-2 and K-2as M-2s and subclasses and
>> earlier Mallets up through the Y-4s.
>>
>> EdKing
>> ---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>> Nathan,
>>>
>>> In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle
>>> levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.
>>>
>>> Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which were
>>> pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical centerline of
>>> the
>>> boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that typically passed
>>> through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the vertical centerline
>>> of
>>> the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod reached through the
>>> boiler
>>> to a bell crank under the steam dome, and the other arm of the bell
>>> crank
>>> raised or lowered the throttle valve when the rod from the throttle
>>> lever
>>> in
>>> the cab moved forward or backwards, respectively. I can think of two
>>> problems with this throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the
>>> rod
>>> in the stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the
>>> packing
>>> than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a
>>> dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a
>>> vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off" position,
>>> expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different than the
>>> expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler raising the
>>> throttle
>>> valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders, which could cause the
>>> locomotive to "walk away." This happened at times. The more modern
>>> arrangement of the outside linkage associated with vertical throttle
>>> levers
>>> largely avoided this problem by incorporating a rocker lever mid way
>>> between
>>> the throttle lever and the throttle valve to provide compensation for
>>> the
>>> expansion and contraction of the boiler.
>>>
>>> Gordon Hamilton
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM
>>> Subject: Steam questions
>>>
>>>
>>> > Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part
>>> > quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for
>>> > the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I
>>> > think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that
>>> > was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for
>>> > some
>>> > reason.
>>> >
>>> > Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for
>>> > someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working
>>> > Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is
>>> > rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a
>>> > Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater
>>> > pump
>>> > perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there is
>>> > a
>>> > Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is
>>> > still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine
>>> > coasting.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks ahead of time,
>>> > Nathan
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Nathan Simmons
>>> > trainman51 at gmail.com
>>> > http://www.t-51.org
>>> > KI4MSK
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________________
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