From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jan 4 20:29:54 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:29:54 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck Message-ID: <65526D0FF62A4763AAF0C1FD73C674D6@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 27, 1910 FURTHER DETAILS ON FATAL WRECK AT CURVE ------ Failure of Telegraph Operator to Display Red Light Blamed for Rear-end Collision The Roanoke World of yesterday afternoon gives additional details of the rear end collision on the Norfolk and Western yesterday morning at 1 o'clock at Curve, three and one-half miles west [sic] of Pearisburg, which resulted in the death of J. D. Davis, flagman, and T. H. Tanner, foreman of painters, and which was briefly reported in yesterday's Daily Telegraph. Engineer J. D. Douthat, seeing that the collision was inevitable, jumped and had his leg and ankle severely sprained, but his is able to walk with the aid of a crutch and went into Roanoke on the noon train and was taken to his home where he is under the care of his physician. Flagman Davis was killed instantly. He was a young man twenty-three years of age and his home was in the eastern part of Virginia, near Richmond. The remains were taken to Roanoke and prepared for burial and will be shipped to his old home later. Mr. Tanner, who is foreman of painters, lived until four o'clock yesterday morning when he died. He was a citizen of East Radford where he had a wife and three children. The remains were taken to Radford and prepared for burial. Mr. Tanner was a brother of T. C. Tanner, of Bluefield, who went to Radford yesterday to attend the funeral. The collision occurred on a side track at Curve and was between the second and third sections of train No. 86. The second section had taken the siding two hours prior to the collision. The third section consisted of a double header, pulled by Engineers Douthat and J. D. Spangler. The telegraph operator, it is claimed, failed to display a red light instead of a green one, and for that reason, third 86 was coming at a high rate of speed. Flagman Davis, who was killed, had gone to sleep in the cab of second 86, along with Mr. Tanner, and he failed to flag the on-rushing train and prevent the collision. Engineers Douthat and Spangler, both realizing their danger, jumped, the latter escaping unhurt. Had it not been for a depression where Mr. Douthat struck the ground, the chances are that he would have escaped a sprained ankle. The second section of train 86 was in charge of Captain Johnson, conductor, who, at the time of the collision, was forward on his train, or he also might have been killed. The firemen on the train were in such positions that they could not jump and sticking to their posts escaped further injury than a severe shaking-up. The engine which ran into the cab of second 86 was only slightly injured, the headlight being broken off, and some other minor damages inflicted. The cab was totally destroyed. Officials of the Norfolk and Western are making a thorough investigation of the fatal occurrence, and will eventually fix the responsibility of the occurrence where it properly belongs. ------ [Curve was east of Pearisburg, not west of there as the article stated. There is no information in the article about the physical layout at Curve and the role of the operator there, but it looks as though Flagman Davis was equally responsible for the wreck. Any thoughts anyone? Also, presumably Painting Foreman Tanner was just a passenger in the cab (cabin car or caboose for those not acquainted with N&W terminology) of second 86.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jan 4 21:31:49 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:31:49 -0500 Subject: NW Photos from Life Magazine Message-ID: <20100105023158.VHPP13474.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> In 1946 Life magazine sent photographer Thomas Mcavoy to Roanoke to take photos of the N&W shops. Life photographer Walker Evans returned in 1958 to take photos of the last steam engines. Thanks to Google, their photos are now on-line at http://images.google.com/images?q=Roanoke+source%3Alife&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2&start=0 Ron Davis From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jan 5 17:37:13 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:37:13 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck References: <65526D0FF62A4763AAF0C1FD73C674D6@DellVostro> Message-ID: In 1975, I interviewed Nathan [first name may have been Nathaniel] "Hub" Tanner. He was a Roanoke yard engineer on steam for most of his career and on diesels for a couple of years. He spoke about his father being killed in a train wreck on the Radford Division while riding a cabin car. I did not get his father's name and I wonder if this is his father mentioned in the article below. I would appreciate any help to my questions. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 27, 1910 FURTHER DETAILS ON FATAL WRECK AT CURVE ------ Failure of Telegraph Operator to Display Red Light Blamed for Rear-end Collision The Roanoke World of yesterday afternoon gives additional details of the rear end collision on the Norfolk and Western yesterday morning at 1 o'clock at Curve, three and one-half miles west [sic] of Pearisburg, which resulted in the death of J. D. Davis, flagman, and T. H. Tanner, foreman of painters, and which was briefly reported in yesterday's Daily Telegraph. Engineer J. D. Douthat, seeing that the collision was inevitable, jumped and had his leg and ankle severely sprained, but his is able to walk with the aid of a crutch and went into Roanoke on the noon train and was taken to his home where he is under the care of his physician. Flagman Davis was killed instantly. He was a young man twenty-three years of age and his home was in the eastern part of Virginia, near Richmond. The remains were taken to Roanoke and prepared for burial and will be shipped to his old home later. Mr. Tanner, who is foreman of painters, lived until four o'clock yesterday morning when he died. He was a citizen of East Radford where he had a wife and three children. The remains were taken to Radford and prepared for burial. Mr. Tanner was a brother of T. C. Tanner, of Bluefield, who went to Radford yesterday to attend the funeral. The collision occurred on a side track at Curve and was between the second and third sections of train No. 86. The second section had taken the siding two hours prior to the collision. The third section consisted of a double header, pulled by Engineers Douthat and J. D. Spangler. The telegraph operator, it is claimed, failed to display a red light instead of a green one, and for that reason, third 86 was coming at a high rate of speed. Flagman Davis, who was killed, had gone to sleep in the cab of second 86, along with Mr. Tanner, and he failed to flag the on-rushing train and prevent the collision. Engineers Douthat and Spangler, both realizing their danger, jumped, the latter escaping unhurt. Had it not been for a depression where Mr. Douthat struck the ground, the chances are that he would have escaped a sprained ankle. The second section of train 86 was in charge of Captain Johnson, conductor, who, at the time of the collision, was forward on his train, or he also might have been killed. The firemen on the train were in such positions that they could not jump and sticking to their posts escaped further injury than a severe shaking-up. The engine which ran into the cab of second 86 was only slightly injured, the headlight being broken off, and some other minor damages inflicted. The cab was totally destroyed. Officials of the Norfolk and Western are making a thorough investigation of the fatal occurrence, and will eventually fix the responsibility of the occurrence where it properly belongs. ------ [Curve was east of Pearisburg, not west of there as the article stated. There is no information in the article about the physical layout at Curve and the role of the operator there, but it looks as though Flagman Davis was equally responsible for the wreck. Any thoughts anyone? Also, presumably Painting Foreman Tanner was just a passenger in the cab (cabin car or caboose for those not acquainted with N&W terminology) of second 86.] Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jan 5 20:16:25 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:16:25 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Injuries Message-ID: <82A829CFD8A749A284CF20B5EDF345C3@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 28, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Injuries Probably Fatal John Henley, a section laborer, was probably fatally hurt near Iaeger Tuesday night while trying to get out of the way of the Dry Fork passenger train. The man, who was not on duty at the time of the accident, stepped out of the way of the local train and directly in the way of a freight train on the westbound track. He was attended by local doctors who advised that he be taken to Welch, which was done, and the injured man is now at Miner's hospital where the chances for recovery are against him. [Another "second train" accident in double track territory.] ------ Loses Left Foot Louis Falls, of Roanoke, while trying to catch a freight at Graham yesterday afternoon about 1 o'clock lost his left foot. He was a trespasser and was trying to steal a ride to the coalfield. The man was brought to this city where he was placed in the Bluefield Sanitarium for treatment. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jan 6 09:44:04 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:44:04 -0600 Subject: Video from Strasburg PA Message-ID: <000001ca8ede$b2568920$17039b60$@net> My N&W & VGN friends, Came upon this link through another list - recent video of ex-N&W M class loco #475 in the snow. http://railwayworld.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network Enjoy! Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr at comcast.net S/Sn42, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford one! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jan 6 17:12:26 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:12:26 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Graham various Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 28, 1910 THE GRAHAM DAILY NEWS ------ Painters Kick on Food Master Carpenter J. R. Anderson, of the Norfolk and Western, who resides in Graham, was called on Tuesday night by a committee of insurgent Pocahontas division painters. While policies could not directly be blamed for the trouble in the painters' camp; yet the high cost of living had something to do with the rumpus, for the painters represented that they were not being fed a sufficient amount and of sufficient varieties to appease their ever-coming appetites. The entire crew mutinied and most of them came to Graham to interview Mr. Anderson. The spokesman declared that butter was a rarity on the table of the camp car outfit and said beans were the favorite dish for the morning meal as well as the leader for the other two meals every day in the week, Sunday not excluded. Mr. Anderson promised the striking painters to investigate their grievance with a view of getting the trouble adjusted. The railroad men filled up a local hotel here Tuesday night and ordered butter for breakfast Wednesday morning. ------ Lost Foot Looking for Work [This is the same incident reported in a different article in the same newspaper and posted on the Mailing List yesterday.] Louis Falls, a young white man nineteen years of age, who claims Roanoke as his home, had the misfortune to lose his left foot here yesterday on the railroad. The accident occurred shortly after the noon hour directly in front of the tower. The young man with a companion attempted to board a passing freight train, missed his hold and was thrown violently to the ground, his foot catching under the wheels of the rapidly moving cars. The injured man was taken to the offices of Drs. Witten and Frazier for surgical attention and later sent to the railroad hospital at Bluefield. He was on his way to the coalfields in search of employment and being without means intended making the trip on a freight train. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jan 6 20:36:02 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 01:36:02 GMT Subject: Video at Strasburg,PA Message-ID: <20100106.203602.25232.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Thanks for the link to the Stradburg RR video of 475. It brings back recent memories as I was there this past September. Alas, #475 wasn't under stream at the time so I "had" to ride behind the "other" steam locomotive. As a side note, I was told by the gentleman that was giving the backshop, machine shop, etc tour that the engineers/firemen at Strasburg are not overly excited about operating #475 due to the lack of cab floor space. After inspecting the engine myself I was rather surprised at how little floor space there is. Pictures really don't convey the reality. Can any one on the list say what the normal work a day class M crew thought about their charge? Dave Moorehead Milford, Ohio ____________________________________________________________ Small Business Tools Learn how to save time and money. Click to find what tools your business needs now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=EqCiuZSZoWTh5RcrIa4LkwAAJz0EfYvq2cf24k6W9nXC_g23AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jan 6 21:05:38 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:05:38 -0500 Subject: Video at Strasburg,PA In-Reply-To: <20100106.203602.25232.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100106.203602.25232.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I know that the class M's had the boiler halfway into the cab space. What was the reason for that? I think they were called "deckless" locomotives or something. _________________________________ Mike Weeks, LCSW, LCAS M1, Brody School of Medicine 2013 MSW, UNC at Charlotte 2003 BS Acct, UNC at Charlotte 1989 ________________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List [nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:36 PM To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Video at Strasburg,PA Thanks for the link to the Stradburg RR video of 475. It brings back recent memories as I was there this past September. Alas, #475 wasn't under stream at the time so I "had" to ride behind the "other" steam locomotive. As a side note, I was told by the gentleman that was giving the backshop, machine shop, etc tour that the engineers/firemen at Strasburg are not overly excited about operating #475 due to the lack of cab floor space. After inspecting the engine myself I was rather surprised at how little floor space there is. Pictures really don't convey the reality. Can any one on the list say what the normal work a day class M crew thought about their charge? Dave Moorehead Milford, Ohio ____________________________________________________________ Small Business Tools Learn how to save time and money. Click to find what tools your business needs now. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 08:28:13 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:28:13 -0500 Subject: "M" Class locomotives Message-ID: <46EB978F6F1842398559D8589CC2618C@Gene> Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers? Gene A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 07:43:27 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:43:27 -0500 Subject: Video at Strasburg,PA In-Reply-To: <20100106.203602.25232.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100106.203602.25232.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <350CDDE2347845BAB8D1E180BEB8C786@ashememorial.org> Dave: As I understand the issue, the M's were considered outlaws due to their deckles design. Sometime in the early 1900's the Federal folks jumped into the safety discussions and banned further construction of this type design. The fireman had to hand fire the boiler since the M's were built without stokers and often if not always stood on the tender coal bunker floor due to the lack of deck. R.D. Williams _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:36 PM To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Video at Strasburg,PA Thanks for the link to the Stradburg RR video of 475. It brings back recent memories as I was there this past September. Alas, #475 wasn't under stream at the time so I "had" to ride behind the "other" steam locomotive. As a side note, I was told by the gentleman that was giving the backshop, machine shop, etc tour that the engineers/firemen at Strasburg are not overly excited about operating #475 due to the lack of cab floor space. After inspecting the engine myself I was rather surprised at how little floor space there is. Pictures really don't convey the reality. Can any one on the list say what the normal work a day class M crew thought about their charge? Dave Moorehead Milford, Ohio ____________________________________________________________ Small Business Tools Learn how to save time and money. Click to find what tools your business needs now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 09:41:35 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:41:35 -0500 Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren Message-ID: <4B45F29F.9070900@vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with eight of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. We did a lot of "reflecting" about events in the last years since 2000. Most spoke of those VGN Brethren who have taken the westbound and the events of September 11, 2001 as memories of this period. I was reminded of a famous quote said to be given by Napoleon Bonaparte, "History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon". I showed some of the emails to the Brethren about the July 23, 1910 wreck "when a negro excursion train on the VGN from Princeton to Roanoke ran into a freight train on a curve near Salem". The emails sparked a discussion about "short flagging". Landon Gregory was familiar with the term and this prompted the Brethren to remember the whistle signals used in train operation. This prompted me to check out the Book of Operating Rules issued to me by the N&W in 1967 to verify what the Brethren had remembered. Flagging is when a trainman on the rear of a train (then in a caboose) is required to protect the rear of the train by proceeding at a high rate of speed in a direction opposite to the direction of the train for at least one mile to warn, with flares or torpedoes, any trains following, that there is a stoppage or emergency. When there were no radios on engines and cabooses, a whistle whistle signal from the engineer of one long and three shorts (__ 000) was the signal for the flagman to protect the rear of the train. When the engineer wants the flagman to return to the cab from the west or south he signals with four longs (__ __ __ __); from the east or north the signal is five longs (__ __ __ __ __). Short flagging is when the trainman does not go far enough to stop the following train in time or lacks time to do so. This prompted Rufus Wingfield to recall an incident where the flagman on a VGN train did NOT hear the signal to return after flagging and after a short period they left him....for the following train... We talked about the passing on Christmas Day of Leon Atkinson ,Jr., Vice-President Transportation on the N&W and NS who retired with 43 years of service. Ruf said that he enjoyed working for Mr. Atkinson who was "just Leon, and one of the guys". The first ebay report of 2010 has the following VGN items sold: 1914 VGN pass $26.00; Tall Globe for a VGN lantern with "VIRGINIAN" in raised letters $450.00(just globe and no lantern); Slide of VGN Pacific #212 for $26.20; 1949 VGN Public Timetable $16.50; 1943 VGN Public Timetable $18.05. The deal of the year so far is a VGN "Coal on the Move" booklet for $7.50. I asked the Brethren what they remember about the last scheduled Virginian passenger train that stopped in Roanoke on January 9, 1956. Raymond East and Wis Sowder said that "it was just a normal day". Rufus Wingfield, who was yardmaster in Roanoke, said that "there was nothing special about it". Landon Gregory, who was VGN operator at Victoria, said that operator Clay Dickerson told him that extra operator Mary Grant rode in the locomotive from Victoria to Roanoke that day... Someone mentioned beer, and Rufus Wingfield told a story about the Sholtz Family, owners of the Virginia Brewery in Roanoke who also owned the American Theater. They made Dixie Beer. This prompted several food stories. Ruf Wingfield told us about in grade school on Bent Mountain, trading an egg and homemade mustard sandwich daily for another schoolmate's buckwheat cake sandwich. I told the Brethren about my first peanut butter and jelly sandwich in Junior High, now Middle School, and telling my Mom how much I liked it. I then had P&J sandwiches through high school... These stories prompted me to tell my favorite food story about a very poor lad whose family subsisted on turnips. They had turnips almost at every meal. His Mom fixed turnips every which way: fried, boiled, baked, raw, in sandwiches etc. He had grown tired of turnip sandwiches every day in his lunch box at school. So one day he decided to trade his lunch box with the one in the lunchroom that was the heaviest. When it came time to eat, he opened the box and found out that he had a schoolmate in worse shape than him. In the box was a ball peen hammer and two black walnuts... Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 11:22:04 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:22:04 -0500 Subject: "M" Class locomotives In-Reply-To: <46EB978F6F1842398559D8589CC2618C@Gene> References: <46EB978F6F1842398559D8589CC2618C@Gene> Message-ID: <316999CC6FE84BA3A6BCAC62C9830748@ashememorial.org> Gene: It appears that the M's and M1's were all hand fired, the M2a,b,c (Roanoke built were fitted with stokers) R.D. Williams _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:28 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: "M" Class locomotives Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers? Gene A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 16:15:21 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:15:21 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck References: <65526D0FF62A4763AAF0C1FD73C674D6@DellVostro> Message-ID: <4CF8A611643343589BEC9A3143F880EB@susan> I had the pleasure of knowing Mr. Tanner. He was 100% railroader and 100% a gentleman. Nathan is correct for his first name. He was a member of the Roanoke Chapter, NRHS in the early days. He had a son, Billy, who worked his way up to a superintendency before retirement. I believe he died some years ago. There is another son, N.H., Jr. who still lives in Roanoke. I have not seen him for a few years. According to Mr. Blackstock, Mr. Tanner hired as a fireman on Roanoke Terminal Oct.4,1911, promoted to engineer Jan.14, 1918. I, too, hope to see if there is a connection to T.H. Tanner in the 1910 story. Probably a good chance. Jeff Sanders ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck In 1975, I interviewed Nathan [first name may have been Nathaniel] "Hub" Tanner. He was a Roanoke yard engineer on steam for most of his career and on diesels for a couple of years. He spoke about his father being killed in a train wreck on the Radford Division while riding a cabin car. I did not get his father's name and I wonder if this is his father mentioned in the article below. I would appreciate any help to my questions. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 27, 1910 FURTHER DETAILS ON FATAL WRECK AT CURVE ------ Failure of Telegraph Operator to Display Red Light Blamed for Rear-end Collision The Roanoke World of yesterday afternoon gives additional details of the rear end collision on the Norfolk and Western yesterday morning at 1 o'clock at Curve, three and one-half miles west [sic] of Pearisburg, which resulted in the death of J. D. Davis, flagman, and T. H. Tanner, foreman of painters, and which was briefly reported in yesterday's Daily Telegraph. Engineer J. D. Douthat, seeing that the collision was inevitable, jumped and had his leg and ankle severely sprained, but his is able to walk with the aid of a crutch and went into Roanoke on the noon train and was taken to his home where he is under the care of his physician. Flagman Davis was killed instantly. He was a young man twenty-three years of age and his home was in the eastern part of Virginia, near Richmond. The remains were taken to Roanoke and prepared for burial and will be shipped to his old home later. Mr. Tanner, who is foreman of painters, lived until four o'clock yesterday morning when he died. He was a citizen of East Radford where he had a wife and three children. The remains were taken to Radford and prepared for burial. Mr. Tanner was a brother of T. C. Tanner, of Bluefield, who went to Radford yesterday to attend the funeral. The collision occurred on a side track at Curve and was between the second and third sections of train No. 86. The second section had taken the siding two hours prior to the collision. The third section consisted of a double header, pulled by Engineers Douthat and J. D. Spangler. The telegraph operator, it is claimed, failed to display a red light instead of a green one, and for that reason, third 86 was coming at a high rate of speed. Flagman Davis, who was killed, had gone to sleep in the cab of second 86, along with Mr. Tanner, and he failed to flag the on-rushing train and prevent the collision. Engineers Douthat and Spangler, both realizing their danger, jumped, the latter escaping unhurt. Had it not been for a depression where Mr. Douthat struck the ground, the chances are that he would have escaped a sprained ankle. The second section of train 86 was in charge of Captain Johnson, conductor, who, at the time of the collision, was forward on his train, or he also might have been killed. The firemen on the train were in such positions that they could not jump and sticking to their posts escaped further injury than a severe shaking-up. The engine which ran into the cab of second 86 was only slightly injured, the headlight being broken off, and some other minor damages inflicted. The cab was totally destroyed. Officials of the Norfolk and Western are making a thorough investigation of the fatal occurrence, and will eventually fix the responsibility of the occurrence where it properly belongs. ------ [Curve was east of Pearisburg, not west of there as the article stated. There is no information in the article about the physical layout at Curve and the role of the operator there, but it looks as though Flagman Davis was equally responsible for the wreck. Any thoughts anyone? Also, presumably Painting Foreman Tanner was just a passenger in the cab (cabin car or caboose for those not acquainted with N&W terminology) of second 86.] Gordon Hamilton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 17:13:46 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:13:46 -0800 Subject: Video at Strasburg,PA In-Reply-To: References: <20100106.203602.25232.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I've read somewhere (Ed King?) that, in conjunction with the tall, stubby original tenders, it was to keep the overall length short enough to fit on some then-existing turntables. pete groom On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:05 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > I know that the class M's had the boiler halfway into the cab space. > What was the reason for that? I think they were called "deckless" > locomotives or something. > _________________________________ > Mike Weeks, LCSW, LCAS > M1, Brody School of Medicine 2013 > MSW, UNC at Charlotte 2003 > BS Acct, UNC at Charlotte 1989 > ________________________________________ > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org > ] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List [nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:36 PM > To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: Video at Strasburg,PA > > Thanks for the link to the Stradburg RR video of 475. It brings > back recent memories as I was there this past September. Alas, #475 > wasn't under stream at the time so I "had" to ride behind the > "other" steam locomotive. > > As a side note, I was told by the gentleman that was giving the > backshop, machine shop, etc tour that the engineers/firemen at > Strasburg are not overly excited about operating #475 due to the > lack of cab floor space. After inspecting the engine myself I was > rather surprised at how little floor space there is. Pictures > really don't convey the reality. Can any one on the list say what > the normal work a day class M crew thought about their charge? > > Dave Moorehead > Milford, Ohio > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Small Business Tools > Learn how to save time and money. Click to find what tools your > business needs now. > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 20:11:19 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:11:19 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck References: <65526D0FF62A4763AAF0C1FD73C674D6@DellVostro> Message-ID: <1D700893E4214D35BCF6EDEC1E3098C7@DellVostro> Bud, I had an interesting telephone chat with W. B. (Bill) Tanner of Roanoke, who retired as superintendent of the Western Division headquartered at Moberly, MO, and he confirmed that it was his grandfather, T. H. Tanner, who was killed in the wreck at Curve, and that Bill's father, Hub Tanner, was an eighteen-year-old water boy with the N&W at the time of the accident. Bill said that as a result of T. H. Tanner's death the N&W promoted Hub to fireman and assured him a of job for life provided he maintained a good service record.. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck In 1975, I interviewed Nathan [first name may have been Nathaniel] "Hub" Tanner. He was a Roanoke yard engineer on steam for most of his career and on diesels for a couple of years. He spoke about his father being killed in a train wreck on the Radford Division while riding a cabin car. I did not get his father's name and I wonder if this is his father mentioned in the article below. I would appreciate any help to my questions. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 27, 1910 FURTHER DETAILS ON FATAL WRECK AT CURVE ------ Failure of Telegraph Operator to Display Red Light Blamed for Rear-end Collision The Roanoke World of yesterday afternoon gives additional details of the rear end collision on the Norfolk and Western yesterday morning at 1 o'clock at Curve, three and one-half miles west [sic] of Pearisburg, which resulted in the death of J. D. Davis, flagman, and T. H. Tanner, foreman of painters, and which was briefly reported in yesterday's Daily Telegraph. Engineer J. D. Douthat, seeing that the collision was inevitable, jumped and had his leg and ankle severely sprained, but his is able to walk with the aid of a crutch and went into Roanoke on the noon train and was taken to his home where he is under the care of his physician. Flagman Davis was killed instantly. He was a young man twenty-three years of age and his home was in the eastern part of Virginia, near Richmond. The remains were taken to Roanoke and prepared for burial and will be shipped to his old home later. Mr. Tanner, who is foreman of painters, lived until four o'clock yesterday morning when he died. He was a citizen of East Radford where he had a wife and three children. The remains were taken to Radford and prepared for burial. Mr. Tanner was a brother of T. C. Tanner, of Bluefield, who went to Radford yesterday to attend the funeral. The collision occurred on a side track at Curve and was between the second and third sections of train No. 86. The second section had taken the siding two hours prior to the collision. The third section consisted of a double header, pulled by Engineers Douthat and J. D. Spangler. The telegraph operator, it is claimed, failed to display a red light instead of a green one, and for that reason, third 86 was coming at a high rate of speed. Flagman Davis, who was killed, had gone to sleep in the cab of second 86, along with Mr. Tanner, and he failed to flag the on-rushing train and prevent the collision. Engineers Douthat and Spangler, both realizing their danger, jumped, the latter escaping unhurt. Had it not been for a depression where Mr. Douthat struck the ground, the chances are that he would have escaped a sprained ankle. The second section of train 86 was in charge of Captain Johnson, conductor, who, at the time of the collision, was forward on his train, or he also might have been killed. The firemen on the train were in such positions that they could not jump and sticking to their posts escaped further injury than a severe shaking-up. The engine which ran into the cab of second 86 was only slightly injured, the headlight being broken off, and some other minor damages inflicted. The cab was totally destroyed. Officials of the Norfolk and Western are making a thorough investigation of the fatal occurrence, and will eventually fix the responsibility of the occurrence where it properly belongs. ------ [Curve was east of Pearisburg, not west of there as the article stated. There is no information in the article about the physical layout at Curve and the role of the operator there, but it looks as though Flagman Davis was equally responsible for the wreck. Any thoughts anyone? Also, presumably Painting Foreman Tanner was just a passenger in the cab (cabin car or caboose for those not acquainted with N&W terminology) of second 86.] Gordon Hamilton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 14:35:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 22:20:44 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:20:44 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Misc. Message-ID: <16D0EB16689442A1A556E93294D0472E@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 29, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Car of Coke Catches Fire The coke in a loaded rack which had been shipped to this city, bound east from the Clinch Valley, caught fire in the local yard and the Norfolk and Western yard force was put to work throwing water on it until the fire was extinguished. Cars from the Clinch Valley region loaded too hot frequently arrive in this city and catch fire here. In some cases the sides of the coke rack catch fire. Most of this coke is loaded on the Toms Creek branch. [Its surprising to learn that coke cars (obviously with wood sides) frequently caught fire in Bluefield.] ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jan 7 22:28:39 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:28:39 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910 - Fatal wreck References: Message-ID: <001101ca9012$abe03890$e430fea9@lmnewton> Retired Supt. William B. (Bill) Tanner is still living. Louis Newton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 52, Issue 7 > Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: "M" Class locomotives (NW Mailing List) > 2. Re: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck (NW Mailing List) > 3. Re: Video at Strasburg,PA (NW Mailing List) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:22:04 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: RE: "M" Class locomotives > To: "'NW Mailing List'" > Message-ID: <316999CC6FE84BA3A6BCAC62C9830748 at ashememorial.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Gene: It appears that the M's and M1's were all hand fired, the M2a,b,c > (Roanoke built were fitted with stokers) > > > > R.D. Williams > > > > _____ > > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org > [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:28 AM > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: "M" Class locomotives > > > > Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers? > > > > Gene A. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:15:21 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck > To: "NW Mailing List" > Message-ID: <4CF8A611643343589BEC9A3143F880EB at susan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I had the pleasure of knowing Mr. Tanner. He was 100% railroader and 100% > a gentleman. Nathan is correct for his first name. He was a member of the > Roanoke Chapter, NRHS in the early days. > > He had a son, Billy, who worked his way up to a superintendency before > retirement. I believe he died some years ago. There is another son, N.H., > Jr. who still lives in Roanoke. I have not seen him for a few years. > > According to Mr. Blackstock, Mr. Tanner hired as a fireman on Roanoke > Terminal Oct.4,1911, promoted to engineer Jan.14, 1918. > > I, too, hope to see if there is a connection to T.H. Tanner in the 1910 > story. Probably a good chance. > > Jeff Sanders > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: NW Mailing List > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck > > > In 1975, I interviewed Nathan [first name may have been Nathaniel] "Hub" > Tanner. He was a Roanoke yard engineer on steam for most of his career and > on diesels for a couple of years. He spoke about his father being killed > in a train wreck on the Radford Division while riding a cabin car. I did > not get his father's name and I wonder if this is his father mentioned in > the article below. > > I would appreciate any help to my questions. > > Bud Jeffries > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: 3N&W Mailing List > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:29 PM > Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck > > > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > July 27, 1910 > > FURTHER DETAILS ON FATAL WRECK AT CURVE > ------ > Failure of Telegraph Operator to Display Red Light Blamed for Rear-end > Collision > The Roanoke World of yesterday afternoon gives additional details > of the rear end collision on the Norfolk and Western yesterday morning at > 1 o'clock at Curve, three and one-half miles west [sic] of Pearisburg, > which resulted in the death of J. D. Davis, flagman, and T. H. Tanner, > foreman of painters, and which was briefly reported in yesterday's Daily > Telegraph. > Engineer J. D. Douthat, seeing that the collision was inevitable, > jumped and had his leg and ankle severely sprained, but his is able to > walk with the aid of a crutch and went into Roanoke on the noon train and > was taken to his home where he is under the care of his physician. > Flagman Davis was killed instantly. He was a young man > twenty-three years of age and his home was in the eastern part of > Virginia, near Richmond. The remains were taken to Roanoke and prepared > for burial and will be shipped to his old home later. > Mr. Tanner, who is foreman of painters, lived until four o'clock > yesterday morning when he died. He was a citizen of East Radford where he > had a wife and three children. The remains were taken to Radford and > prepared for burial. Mr. Tanner was a brother of T. C. Tanner, of > Bluefield, who went to Radford yesterday to attend the funeral. > The collision occurred on a side track at Curve and was between the > second and third sections of train No. 86. The second section had taken > the siding two hours prior to the collision. The third section consisted > of a double header, pulled by Engineers Douthat and J. D. Spangler. The > telegraph operator, it is claimed, failed to display a red light instead > of a green one, and for that reason, third 86 was coming at a high rate of > speed. Flagman Davis, who was killed, had gone to sleep in the cab of > second 86, along with Mr. Tanner, and he failed to flag the on-rushing > train and prevent the collision. > Engineers Douthat and Spangler, both realizing their danger, > jumped, the latter escaping unhurt. Had it not been for a depression > where Mr. Douthat struck the ground, the chances are that he would have > escaped a sprained ankle. > The second section of train 86 was in charge of Captain Johnson, > conductor, who, at the time of the collision, was forward on his train, or > he also might have been killed. > The firemen on the train were in such positions that they could not > jump and sticking to their posts escaped further injury than a severe > shaking-up. > The engine which ran into the cab of second 86 was only slightly > injured, the headlight being broken off, and some other minor damages > inflicted. The cab was totally destroyed. > Officials of the Norfolk and Western are making a thorough > investigation of the fatal occurrence, and will eventually fix the > responsibility of the occurrence where it properly belongs. > ------ > [Curve was east of Pearisburg, not west of there as the article stated. > There is no information in the article about the physical layout at Curve > and the role of the operator there, but it looks as though Flagman Davis > was equally responsible for the wreck. Any thoughts anyone? Also, > presumably Painting Foreman Tanner was just a passenger in the cab (cabin > car or caboose for those not acquainted with N&W terminology) of second > 86.] > > Gordon Hamilton > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: > 9/25/2007 8:02 AM > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:13:46 -0800 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: Video at Strasburg,PA > To: NW Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I've read somewhere (Ed King?) that, in conjunction with the tall, > stubby original tenders, it was to keep the overall length short > enough to fit on some then-existing turntables. > > pete groom > On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:05 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > >> I know that the class M's had the boiler halfway into the cab space. >> What was the reason for that? I think they were called "deckless" >> locomotives or something. >> _________________________________ >> Mike Weeks, LCSW, LCAS >> M1, Brody School of Medicine 2013 >> MSW, UNC at Charlotte 2003 >> BS Acct, UNC at Charlotte 1989 >> ________________________________________ >> From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org >> ] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List [nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:36 PM >> To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> Subject: Re: Video at Strasburg,PA >> >> Thanks for the link to the Stradburg RR video of 475. It brings >> back recent memories as I was there this past September. Alas, #475 >> wasn't under stream at the time so I "had" to ride behind the >> "other" steam locomotive. >> >> As a side note, I was told by the gentleman that was giving the >> backshop, machine shop, etc tour that the engineers/firemen at >> Strasburg are not overly excited about operating #475 due to the >> lack of cab floor space. After inspecting the engine myself I was >> rather surprised at how little floor space there is. Pictures >> really don't convey the reality. Can any one on the list say what >> the normal work a day class M crew thought about their charge? >> >> Dave Moorehead >> Milford, Ohio >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Small Business Tools >> Learn how to save time and money. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/07/10 07:35:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 00:48:15 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:48:15 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck References: <65526D0FF62A4763AAF0C1FD73C674D6@DellVostro> <1D700893E4214D35BCF6EDEC1E3098C7@DellVostro> Message-ID: Thank you, Gordon. This is very interesting for this anwers my questions and also helps other members of this list that have answered my earlier listing. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck Bud, I had an interesting telephone chat with W. B. (Bill) Tanner of Roanoke, who retired as superintendent of the Western Division headquartered at Moberly, MO, and he confirmed that it was his grandfather, T. H. Tanner, who was killed in the wreck at Curve, and that Bill's father, Hub Tanner, was an eighteen-year-old water boy with the N&W at the time of the accident. Bill said that as a result of T. H. Tanner's death the N&W promoted Hub to fireman and assured him a of job for life provided he maintained a good service record.. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck In 1975, I interviewed Nathan [first name may have been Nathaniel] "Hub" Tanner. He was a Roanoke yard engineer on steam for most of his career and on diesels for a couple of years. He spoke about his father being killed in a train wreck on the Radford Division while riding a cabin car. I did not get his father's name and I wonder if this is his father mentioned in the article below. I would appreciate any help to my questions. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 27, 1910 FURTHER DETAILS ON FATAL WRECK AT CURVE ------ Failure of Telegraph Operator to Display Red Light Blamed for Rear-end Collision The Roanoke World of yesterday afternoon gives additional details of the rear end collision on the Norfolk and Western yesterday morning at 1 o'clock at Curve, three and one-half miles west [sic] of Pearisburg, which resulted in the death of J. D. Davis, flagman, and T. H. Tanner, foreman of painters, and which was briefly reported in yesterday's Daily Telegraph. Engineer J. D. Douthat, seeing that the collision was inevitable, jumped and had his leg and ankle severely sprained, but his is able to walk with the aid of a crutch and went into Roanoke on the noon train and was taken to his home where he is under the care of his physician. Flagman Davis was killed instantly. He was a young man twenty-three years of age and his home was in the eastern part of Virginia, near Richmond. The remains were taken to Roanoke and prepared for burial and will be shipped to his old home later. Mr. Tanner, who is foreman of painters, lived until four o'clock yesterday morning when he died. He was a citizen of East Radford where he had a wife and three children. The remains were taken to Radford and prepared for burial. Mr. Tanner was a brother of T. C. Tanner, of Bluefield, who went to Radford yesterday to attend the funeral. The collision occurred on a side track at Curve and was between the second and third sections of train No. 86. The second section had taken the siding two hours prior to the collision. The third section consisted of a double header, pulled by Engineers Douthat and J. D. Spangler. The telegraph operator, it is claimed, failed to display a red light instead of a green one, and for that reason, third 86 was coming at a high rate of speed. Flagman Davis, who was killed, had gone to sleep in the cab of second 86, along with Mr. Tanner, and he failed to flag the on-rushing train and prevent the collision. Engineers Douthat and Spangler, both realizing their danger, jumped, the latter escaping unhurt. Had it not been for a depression where Mr. Douthat struck the ground, the chances are that he would have escaped a sprained ankle. The second section of train 86 was in charge of Captain Johnson, conductor, who, at the time of the collision, was forward on his train, or he also might have been killed. The firemen on the train were in such positions that they could not jump and sticking to their posts escaped further injury than a severe shaking-up. The engine which ran into the cab of second 86 was only slightly injured, the headlight being broken off, and some other minor damages inflicted. The cab was totally destroyed. Officials of the Norfolk and Western are making a thorough investigation of the fatal occurrence, and will eventually fix the responsibility of the occurrence where it properly belongs. ------ [Curve was east of Pearisburg, not west of there as the article stated. There is no information in the article about the physical layout at Curve and the role of the operator there, but it looks as though Flagman Davis was equally responsible for the wreck. Any thoughts anyone? Also, presumably Painting Foreman Tanner was just a passenger in the cab (cabin car or caboose for those not acquainted with N&W terminology) of second 86.] Gordon Hamilton -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 14:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 08:56:19 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:56:19 -0500 Subject: "M" Class locomotives References: <46EB978F6F1842398559D8589CC2618C@Gene> <316999CC6FE84BA3A6BCAC62C9830748@ashememorial.org> Message-ID: <222882947B0B460FA3F28F33213E6343@Gene> Thank you for your answer sir. I don't see much about the subject, but It seems that the class"M" locomotive was the common work horse even after the mallets were introduced, I assume mostly on branch lines. Gene A. ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: RE: "M" Class locomotives Gene: It appears that the M's and M1's were all hand fired, the M2a,b,c (Roanoke built were fitted with stokers) R.D. Williams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:28 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: "M" Class locomotives Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers? Gene A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 10:21:52 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:21:52 -0500 Subject: "M" Class locomotives In-Reply-To: <222882947B0B460FA3F28F33213E6343@Gene> References: <46EB978F6F1842398559D8589CC2618C@Gene><316999CC6FE84BA3A6BCAC62C9830748@ashememorial.org> <222882947B0B460FA3F28F33213E6343@Gene> Message-ID: <5A8909D5EE7C4A609E414E697AF38396@ashememorial.org> Gene: Most if not all of my information is taken form an article written by Tom Dressler entitled Norfolk and Western's Remarkable 4-8-0's. I found this online in 1998 on www.railfain.com . Contact me off list if you do not have a copy of this article. nchokie at live.com R.D. _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:56 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: "M" Class locomotives Thank you for your answer sir. I don't see much about the subject, but It seems that the class"M" locomotive was the common work horse even after the mallets were introduced, I assume mostly on branch lines. Gene A. ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: RE: "M" Class locomotives Gene: It appears that the M's and M1's were all hand fired, the M2a,b,c (Roanoke built were fitted with stokers) R.D. Williams _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:28 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: "M" Class locomotives Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers? Gene A. _____ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 11:00:00 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:00:00 -0500 Subject: "M" Class locomotives In-Reply-To: <222882947B0B460FA3F28F33213E6343@Gene> References: <46EB978F6F1842398559D8589CC2618C@Gene><316999CC6FE84BA3A6BCAC62C9830748@ashememorial.org> <222882947B0B460FA3F28F33213E6343@Gene> Message-ID: <17525E98922A46FBBD512522A63C6AB6@ashememorial.org> Gene: I did a little more poking around and found that Mr. Dressler had a 3 part series on the M in the "Arrow" If you don't have the copies they are Vol. 5 issue 5, Vol. 6 issue 1 and 3. R.D. _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:56 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: "M" Class locomotives Thank you for your answer sir. I don't see much about the subject, but It seems that the class"M" locomotive was the common work horse even after the mallets were introduced, I assume mostly on branch lines. Gene A. ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: RE: "M" Class locomotives Gene: It appears that the M's and M1's were all hand fired, the M2a,b,c (Roanoke built were fitted with stokers) R.D. Williams _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:28 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: "M" Class locomotives Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers? Gene A. _____ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 12:21:06 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:21:06 -0500 Subject: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? Message-ID: <038A62E2-3222-4216-8788-63DEB0EA8CB2@oscalemag.com> I think the M class is one of the most fascinating steam engines I've ever encountered. Every time I go to Strasburg, if the M is running I take more photos and discover more new details. I am building a new layout based on the Abingdon Branch and have acquired two Ms with a 3rd in the works. I wonder if there is enough info and photos to do a book just about the Ms? Any takers? Joe Giannovario Publisher O Scale Trains Magazine From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 14:31:35 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:31:35 -0500 Subject: "M" Class locomotives References: <46EB978F6F1842398559D8589CC2618C@Gene> <316999CC6FE84BA3A6BCAC62C9830748@ashememorial.org> Message-ID: Some clarification is needed about stokers on M2's. As stated below, the M and M1's were all hand-fired. No M2, M2a, b or c were equipped with stokers as built. M2 number 1136 were equipped with a stoker in 1911 as an experiment as the first stoker ever applied to an N&W engine. The M2's were all equipped with stokers in 1915-19. This is covered in my revised edition of N&W: Giant of Steam and I stated that this information was a change from the original edition. The first class of locmotives equipped with stokers on the N&W was the Class Z1 of 1912. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: RE: "M" Class locomotives Gene: It appears that the M's and M1's were all hand fired, the M2a,b,c (Roanoke built were fitted with stokers) R.D. Williams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:28 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: "M" Class locomotives Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers? Gene A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 14:39:32 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:39:32 -0500 Subject: "M" Class locomotives References: <46EB978F6F1842398559D8589CC2618C@Gene><316999CC6FE84BA3A6BCAC62C9830748@ashememorial.org> <222882947B0B460FA3F28F33213E6343@Gene> <17525E98922A46FBBD512522A63C6AB6@ashememorial.org> Message-ID: I did a presentation of the history on classes M, M1 and M2's at the 2006 N&WHS Convention at Strasburg. That presentation was published in The Arrow Vol 22 No 5. This article covers the use of the M classes in some detail throughout their life on the N&W. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: RE: "M" Class locomotives Gene: I did a little more poking around and found that Mr. Dressler had a 3 part series on the M in the "Arrow" If you don't have the copies they are Vol. 5 issue 5, Vol. 6 issue 1 and 3. R.D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:56 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: "M" Class locomotives Thank you for your answer sir. I don't see much about the subject, but It seems that the class"M" locomotive was the common work horse even after the mallets were introduced, I assume mostly on branch lines. Gene A. ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: RE: "M" Class locomotives Gene: It appears that the M's and M1's were all hand fired, the M2a,b,c (Roanoke built were fitted with stokers) R.D. Williams ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:28 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: "M" Class locomotives Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers? 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Not long ago Joe Martin, a miner, was arrested, charged with sending in his baggage from West Virginia to Virginia a large quantity of dynamite, sufficient to have blown the train into smithereens had it been subjected to any shocks. Martin's trial is to take place in the federal court in West Virginia. He shipped the explosives from Maybeury, W. Va., to Boissevain, Va., and the fact that it passed from one state to another brings the matter within the jurisdiction of a federal tribunal. [The use of seven different languages in the instructions illustrates the ethnic diversity in the coalfields during that era.] ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When the train left Gary yesterday morning a number of foreigners got aboard and put their baggage in the car where it was taken in charge by a negro [sic]. The regular baggage agent is not supposed to be up when the train leaves Gary at an early hour. Shortly after the baggage was put on, the negro noticed that it contained nitroglycerine caps which had fallen from the trunk. He reported the matter to the conductor but the foreigners, who smelled a rat, denied ownership of the truck and contents and left this city without their trunk. They evidently knew it was against the law to carry explosives in trunks or baggage. The contents, dynamite and caps included, were not worth more than five dollars. This is the second time this week that foreigners have been found carrying explosives in baggage and the railroad is determined to put a stop to it. There was enough dynamite in the trunk found yesterday to blow the train to pieces if it were properly set off. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 18:06:11 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:06:11 -0800 Subject: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? In-Reply-To: <038A62E2-3222-4216-8788-63DEB0EA8CB2@oscalemag.com> References: <038A62E2-3222-4216-8788-63DEB0EA8CB2@oscalemag.com> Message-ID: I was first seduced by an M when I was 11 years old and watched the N&PBL's Ms go by my house twice a day. pete groom On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:21 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > I think the M class is one of the most fascinating steam engines > I've ever encountered. Every time I go to Strasburg, if the M is > running I take more photos and discover more new details. > > I am building a new layout based on the Abingdon Branch and have > acquired two Ms with a 3rd in the works. > > I wonder if there is enough info and photos to do a book just about > the Ms? Any takers? > > Joe Giannovario > Publisher > O Scale Trains Magazine > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Jan 9 04:12:04 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:12:04 +0000 Subject: US Army Railroad 1940...Movie In-Reply-To: <4B31597E.1090601@frii.com> References: <13D276747D5A484C9DB2BCCB84BA3EB0@YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> <4B31597E.1090601@frii.com> Message-ID: <4B484864.7080703@ieee.org> NW Mailing List wrote: > > N&W's 755th RSB served in England, France and Belgium, where S-160s > were very much under its care. Here's a recent (2009) shot of S-160 5197 in steam in the UK http://www.flickr.com/photos/allan5819/3729005277/ Dominic London -- Please help me support the Pirate Castle at http://www.justgiving.com/dominicpinto From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Jan 9 20:15:16 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:15:16 -0500 Subject: Bluefield in 1910--Clinchfield Message-ID: <85F00CA5698F4F3FA47C288AE50C6E33@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 4, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Mallet Engines for Clinchfield Mallet engines consigned to the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio, from Baldwin Locomotive Works, passed through the city yesterday on their way to the new road. The engines are somewhat smaller than the type made for the Norfolk and Western and are even smaller than the engines made for this road by the American Locomotive Company. The Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio will also have a consignment of passenger coaches which will pass through this city in a few days. ------ [It looks as though the interchange between the N&W and CC&O at St. Paul, VA, was the most convenient point for the latter to receive new equipment, at least from the north.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jan 8 15:39:13 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:39:13 -0500 Subject: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? In-Reply-To: <038A62E2-3222-4216-8788-63DEB0EA8CB2@oscalemag.com> References: <038A62E2-3222-4216-8788-63DEB0EA8CB2@oscalemag.com> Message-ID: A book on the M's would be great I wish I had the knowledge and research to produce such a book. I live near what was the Va. Creeper, in West Jefferson and many folks remember the train. One local artist has produced a series of prints which depict several great portraits of M's on the Creeper. I've attached scans of 3 of these. R.D. -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:21 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? I think the M class is one of the most fascinating steam engines I've ever encountered. Every time I go to Strasburg, if the M is running I take more photos and discover more new details. I am building a new layout based on the Abingdon Branch and have acquired two Ms with a 3rd in the works. I wonder if there is enough info and photos to do a book just about the Ms? Any takers? Joe Giannovario Publisher O Scale Trains Magazine ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: va creeper_0001.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 911140 bytes Desc: not available Url : From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jan 10 09:41:39 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:41:39 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Contracts Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 5, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Virginian to Let Contract At Norfolk today the Virginian Railway Company will let contracts for road building and sidetracks as well as other work to the extent of over a million and a half dollars. The contracts will include the branch line to Beckley Junction from the Winding Gulf territory as well as a large number of sidings on Winding Gulf. Additional work will be done between Page and Deepwater and contracts for this work will also be let. The contractors who have been asked to bid on the work are W. O. Lipscomb; Carpenter & Boxley; Mason, Hanger & Company; T. Toles & Company; and P. J. Millett. H. A. Smith, of the Miller Supply Company, is at Norfolk to await the opening of the bids. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jan 10 10:40:33 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:40:33 -0600 Subject: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Would be authors should submit their preliminary manuscript to our Publications Chairman. I have always found that working with the NWHS has always bettered the topics I was working on. There is a wealth of material in the Archives, which I believe Bud Jefferies and Ed King have also discovered. ...And those 4-8-0 prints might be an item for consideration for the Commissary. Mason Cooper From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jan 10 11:14:36 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:14:36 -0500 Subject: Roanoke HELP needed! Message-ID: Hello, everyone - I came down to Roanoke this weekend attend my first Archives meeting in many months. (Too many.) I helped to generate some shelf space by purging surplus copies of MR and Trains. The surplus is all stacked up here ready to go to the recycling center. Trouble is, it's stuck on the dock! I see that Roanoke collects paper materials every other week, but since the Society is not a residence (and since Bob B and Ron D are not city residents, we don't know what to do! So here is my appeal to some of you vigilant recyclers out there: please come and pick this stuff up. I'd haul it back to Pittsburgh, but my car ain't big enough! Marty Swartz, marty.swartz at gmail.com -- Eighty percent of success is showing up. - Woody Allen From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jan 10 14:56:03 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:56:03 -0500 Subject: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC604612AEEA23-7110-1EDC7@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> That's really nice artwork. I didn't count the rivets, but they're nice pictures. Can we get them in the Commissary to encourage more? Jeff Cornelius -----Original Message----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:39 pm Subject: RE: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? A book on the M's would be great I wish I had the knowledge and research to produce such a book. I live near what was the Va. Creeper, in West Jefferson and many folks remember the train. One local artist has produced a series of prints which depict several great portraits of M's on the Creeper. I've attached scans of 3 of these. R.D. -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:21 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? I think the M class is one of the most fascinating steam engines I've ever encountered. Every time I go to Strasburg, if the M is running I take more photos and discover more new details. I am building a new layout based on the Abingdon Branch and have acquired two Ms with a 3rd in the works. I wonder if there is enough info and photos to do a book just about the Ms? Any takers? Joe Giannovario Publisher O Scale Trains Magazine ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jan 10 16:44:56 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:44:56 -0500 Subject: a few N&W Employee Timetables inquery Message-ID: <540e48701001101344u6a4b4c95mc1ca64b17b0e66b2@mail.gmail.com> Might anyone have either originals or xerox copies of ANY of the following N&W employee timetables, please? The supplement "A" for #18 - 5/19/1961?for the Shenandoah Division. I have the main TT plus Supplements B and C but no "a". The Supplement for #11 - 4/28/1957?for the Shenandoah Division with Supplement? #11a- dated 6/30/1957 - I have the main timetable but NOT the Supplement "A". Main ETT # 3 -?around 1970 for the Shenandoah Division - You gots? I have #2 and #4 dated 1969 and 1971 but not #3. The whole ETT#12 - 12/ 4/1949 - for the Shenandoah Division - Don't have anything. The Main ETT #13 -?1958?- for the Norfolk Division -? Numbers 12 & 14 were also issued in 1958 so that's how I have the year. Thanks. Any help appreciated, please respond off-list @ ORLCo96782 at gmail.com Bob Cohen From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jan 10 18:01:41 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:01:41 -0500 Subject: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87DD0B3E19354F88B8CD4DF5FBB4BE4A@ashememorial.org> Mason: I'm sure the artist, Stephen Shoemaker, would be happy to speak to someone form the society re: marketing his prints through the Commissary. There are 8 now various places in Ashe County or just over the line in Va. Stephen al has completed a mural in Downtown West Jefferson. You can go here http://www.ashecountyarts.org/publicart.htm and scroll down the page to see this work. R.D. Williams -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:41 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: RE: Is there enough info to do a book about the Ms? Would be authors should submit their preliminary manuscript to our Publications Chairman. I have always found that working with the NWHS has always bettered the topics I was working on. There is a wealth of material in the Archives, which I believe Bud Jefferies and Ed King have also discovered. ...And those 4-8-0 prints might be an item for consideration for the Commissary. Mason Cooper ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jan 10 22:04:22 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:04:22 -0500 Subject: Roanoke HELP needed! References: Message-ID: <70D4DF62DAF546938E72A6A05DB75DA2@lewisdl0ls5whv> I'll do it the next time I go to Roanoke. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: Roanoke HELP needed! > Hello, everyone - > > I came down to Roanoke this weekend attend my first Archives meeting > in many months. (Too many.) I helped to generate some shelf space by > purging surplus copies of MR and Trains. The surplus is all stacked up > here ready to go to the recycling center. Trouble is, it's stuck on > the dock! > > I see that Roanoke collects paper materials every other week, but > since the Society is not a residence (and since Bob B and Ron D are > not city residents, we don't know what to do! > > So here is my appeal to some of you vigilant recyclers out there: > please come and pick this stuff up. I'd haul it back to Pittsburgh, > but my car ain't big enough! > > Marty Swartz, marty.swartz at gmail.com > > -- > Eighty percent of success is showing up. - Woody Allen > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jan 10 22:37:27 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:37:27 -0500 Subject: Roanoke HELP needed! In-Reply-To: <70D4DF62DAF546938E72A6A05DB75DA2@lewisdl0ls5whv> References: <70D4DF62DAF546938E72A6A05DB75DA2@lewisdl0ls5whv> Message-ID: Are there any Churches that have the recycle dumpsters? My Church has four of them for paper and procedes got to the school. Ken Borg On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:04 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > I'll do it the next time I go to Roanoke. > > Bud Jeffries > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:14 AM > Subject: Roanoke HELP needed! > > >> Hello, everyone - >> I came down to Roanoke this weekend attend my first Archives meeting >> in many months. (Too many.) I helped to generate some shelf space by >> purging surplus copies of MR and Trains. The surplus is all stacked >> up >> here ready to go to the recycling center. Trouble is, it's stuck on >> the dock! >> I see that Roanoke collects paper materials every other week, but >> since the Society is not a residence (and since Bob B and Ron D are >> not city residents, we don't know what to do! >> So here is my appeal to some of you vigilant recyclers out there: >> please come and pick this stuff up. I'd haul it back to Pittsburgh, >> but my car ain't big enough! >> Marty Swartz, marty.swartz at gmail.com >> -- >> Eighty percent of success is showing up. - Woody Allen >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/