N&W in 1910 - Fatal wreck

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Retired Supt. William B. (Bill) Tanner is still living.

Louis Newton
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>   1. RE: "M" Class locomotives (NW Mailing List)

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> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:22:04 -0500

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> Subject: RE: "M" Class locomotives

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> Gene:  It appears that the M's and M1's were all hand fired, the M2a,b,c

> (Roanoke built were fitted with stokers)

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> Were any of the "M" class locomotives ever fitted with stokers?

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> Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Fatal Wreck

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> I had the pleasure of knowing Mr. Tanner. He was 100% railroader and 100% 

> a gentleman. Nathan is correct for his first name. He was a member of the 

> Roanoke Chapter, NRHS in the early days.

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> He had a son, Billy, who worked his way up to a superintendency before 

> retirement. I believe he died some years ago. There is another son, N.H., 

> Jr. who still lives in Roanoke. I have not seen him for a few years.

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> According to Mr. Blackstock, Mr. Tanner hired as a fireman on Roanoke 

> Terminal Oct.4,1911, promoted to engineer Jan.14, 1918.

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> I, too, hope to see if there is a connection to T.H. Tanner in the 1910 

> story. Probably a good chance.

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> Jeff Sanders

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>  In 1975, I interviewed Nathan [first name may have been Nathaniel] "Hub" 

> Tanner. He was a Roanoke yard engineer on steam for most of his career and 

> on diesels for a couple of years. He spoke about his father being killed 

> in a train wreck on the Radford Division while riding a cabin car. I did 

> not get his father's name and I wonder if this is his father mentioned in 

> the article below.

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>  I would appreciate any help to my questions.

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>  Bud Jeffries

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>    Bluefield Daily Telegraph

>    July 27, 1910

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>    FURTHER DETAILS ON FATAL WRECK AT CURVE

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>    Failure of Telegraph Operator to Display Red Light Blamed for Rear-end 

> Collision

>        The Roanoke World of yesterday afternoon gives additional details 

> of the rear end collision on the Norfolk and Western yesterday morning at 

> 1 o'clock at Curve, three and one-half miles west [sic] of Pearisburg, 

> which resulted in the death of J. D. Davis, flagman, and T. H. Tanner, 

> foreman of painters, and which was briefly reported in yesterday's Daily 

> Telegraph.

>        Engineer J. D. Douthat, seeing that the collision was inevitable, 

> jumped and had his leg and ankle severely sprained, but his is able to 

> walk with the aid of a crutch and went into Roanoke on the noon train and 

> was taken to his home where he is under the care of his physician.

>        Flagman Davis was killed instantly.  He was a young man 

> twenty-three years of age and his home was in the eastern part of 

> Virginia, near Richmond.  The remains were taken to Roanoke and prepared 

> for burial and will be shipped to his old home later.

>        Mr. Tanner, who is foreman of painters, lived until four o'clock 

> yesterday morning when he died.  He was a citizen of East Radford where he 

> had a wife and three children.  The remains were taken to Radford and 

> prepared for burial.  Mr. Tanner was a brother of T. C. Tanner, of 

> Bluefield, who went to Radford yesterday to attend the funeral.

>        The collision occurred on a side track at Curve and was between the 

> second and third sections of train No. 86.  The second section had taken 

> the siding two hours prior to the collision.  The third section consisted 

> of a double header, pulled by Engineers Douthat and J. D. Spangler.  The 

> telegraph operator, it is claimed, failed to display a red light instead 

> of a green one, and for that reason, third 86 was coming at a high rate of 

> speed.  Flagman Davis, who was killed, had gone to sleep in the cab of 

> second 86, along with Mr. Tanner, and he failed to flag the on-rushing 

> train and prevent the collision.

>        Engineers Douthat and Spangler, both realizing their danger, 

> jumped, the latter escaping unhurt.  Had it not been for a depression 

> where Mr. Douthat struck the ground, the chances are that he would have 

> escaped a sprained ankle.

>        The second section of train 86 was in charge of Captain Johnson, 

> conductor, who, at the time of the collision, was forward on his train, or 

> he also might have been killed.

>        The firemen on the train were in such positions that they could not 

> jump and sticking to their posts escaped further injury than a severe 

> shaking-up.

>        The engine which ran into the cab of second 86 was only slightly 

> injured, the headlight being broken off, and some other minor damages 

> inflicted.  The cab was totally destroyed.

>        Officials of the Norfolk and Western are making a thorough 

> investigation of the fatal occurrence, and will eventually fix the 

> responsibility of the occurrence where it properly belongs.

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>    [Curve was east of Pearisburg, not west of there as the article stated. 

> There is no information in the article about the physical layout at Curve 

> and the role of the operator there, but it looks as though Flagman Davis 

> was equally responsible for the wreck.  Any thoughts anyone?  Also, 

> presumably  Painting Foreman Tanner was just a passenger in the cab (cabin 

> car or caboose for those not acquainted with N&W terminology) of second 

> 86.]

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>    Gordon Hamilton

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> I've read somewhere (Ed King?) that, in conjunction with the tall,

> stubby original tenders, it was to keep the overall length short

> enough to fit on some then-existing turntables.

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> pete groom

> On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:05 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:

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>> I know that the class M's had the boiler halfway into the cab space.

>> What was the reason for that? I think they were called "deckless"

>> locomotives or something.

>> _________________________________

>> Mike Weeks, LCSW, LCAS

>> M1, Brody School of Medicine 2013

>> MSW, UNC at Charlotte 2003

>> BS Acct, UNC at Charlotte 1989

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>> Subject: Re: Video at Strasburg,PA

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>> Thanks for the link to the Stradburg RR video of 475.  It brings

>> back recent memories as I was there this past September.  Alas, #475

>> wasn't under stream at the time so I "had" to ride behind the

>> "other" steam locomotive.

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>> As a side note, I was told by the gentleman that was giving the

>> backshop, machine shop, etc tour that the engineers/firemen at

>> Strasburg are not overly excited about operating #475 due to the

>> lack of cab floor space.  After inspecting the engine myself I was

>> rather surprised at how little floor space there is.  Pictures

>> really don't convey the reality.  Can any one on the list say what

>> the normal work a day class M crew thought about their charge?

>>

>> Dave Moorehead

>> Milford, Ohio

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