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Radio and early TV Stations also worked off of the Western Union Clocks 
.Been there done that...Ken Tanner displaced Roanoker ..
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>   1. Re: Railroad time (NW Mailing List)

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>   3. Question about 611's paint during the excursion era.

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> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:27:33 +0000 (UTC)

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> Subject: Re: Railroad time

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> For Blair:

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> http://mb.nawcc.org/showwiki.php?title=Railroad+Time+Service

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> Kim

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> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:29:39 PM

> Subject: Railroad time

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> Last night my mother gave me a railroad watch certification card for my 

> great-grandfather's watch that he used while the engineer on trains nos. 1 

> and 3 in the 1930's. ?I know of the great wreak in 1891 that led to the 

> creation of special watches manufactured specifically for railroad 

> personnel. And I know these watches were required to be set to the correct 

> time every 14 days, and re-certified every 6 months. ?But who kept the 

> official time (down to the second) and where did they get their time from?

>

> Today it's all computerized, but in the early days of steam when the 

> telegraph was king the concept of synchronized time seems very difficult 

> to attain. ?Does anyone know how they did it?

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> Regards,

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> Blair Miller

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> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:41:53 -0500

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> Subject: Re: Railroad time

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> A good explanation of Western Union synchronized clocks can be found at:

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> http://www.telegraph-office.com/pages/time.html

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> In the Norfolk & Western Historical Society Archives in Roanoke there is a

> large wall clock that once hung in the Virginian Railway yard office in

> Roanoke and was synchronized by a Western Union time signal.  I remember a

> similar clock on the wall of the Norfolk & Western Railway's Shafers

> Crossing roundhouse office in Roanoke.

>

> Gordon Hamilton

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>> Last night my mother gave me a railroad watch certification card for my

>> great-grandfather's watch that he used while the engineer on trains nos. 

>> 1

>> and 3 in the 1930's.  I know of the great wreak in 1891 that led to the

>> creation of special watches manufactured specifically for railroad

>> personnel. And I know these watches were required to be set to the 

>> correct

>> time every 14 days, and re-certified every 6 months.  But who kept the

>> official time (down to the second) and where did they get their time 

>> from?

>>

>> Today it's all computerized, but in the early days of steam when the

>> telegraph was king the concept of synchronized time seems very difficult

>> to attain.  Does anyone know how they did it?

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Blair Miller

>>

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> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:29:19 -0500

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> Subject: Question about 611's paint during the excursion era.

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> I was looking through the new Classic Trains special issue about 4-8-4's 

> and was comparing the photo by Jim Wrinn of 611 on pages 84 and 85, which 

> was taken in 1994 to photos of 611 taken in the early to mid 80's and it 

> seemed to me that the shade of Tuscan Red changed during the 12 years she 

> operated. Did NS in fact change paints or does the appearance of the 

> Tuscan stripe change due to lighting conditions? Thanks in advance for any 

> assistance.

>

> Steven Ashley

> Spartanburg, SC

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> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:31:32 -0500 (EST)

> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> Subject: Re: Railroad time

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> In a message dated 11/27/2011 8:53:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes:

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> Blair  Miller

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> Clocks showing standard time were listed in the timetable.   Beginning at

> two minutes

>   before noon in the eastern time zone,  (11:00  AM in the central zone),

> the National

>   Observatory would send a series of dashes by telegraph -- "  dash - dash

> - dash" which

>   culminated with one long dash exactly at 12:00 N   EST    (or 11:00 AM

> CST)

>   If the operator was using the telegraph at the time, he  was pre-empted.

> At the

>   stroke of the extended dash, the operator would adjust the  standard

> clock, in more

>   modern times by pressing a button.  Train and  engine crews, M/W

> personnel,

>   and others not having access to a standard clock were required  to

> obtain standard time

>   from the dispatcher every day.

>

>    An interesting note -- crews on the Fostoria District  (Bellevue-Fort

> Wayne) had the

>    standard railroad watch, but with two hour hands  -- because they

> operated across

>    two time  zones.                                      Harry Bundy

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> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:46:58 -0500

> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> Subject: RE: Railroad time

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> There was a program on PBS' "History Detectives" about a master clock used

> by the Illinois Central railroad (I think) to keep their clocks

> synchronized. I believe they used the telegraph connecting their stations 

> to

> set the clocks. Here's a link to the program:

> http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/investigation/chicago-clock/ It

> might answer some of your questions.

>

> Phil Miller

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> Subject: Railroad time

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> Last night my mother gave me a railroad watch certification card for my

> great-grandfather's watch that he used while the engineer on trains nos. 1

> and 3 in the 1930's.  I know of the great wreak in 1891 that led to the

> creation of special watches manufactured specifically for railroad

> personnel. And I know these watches were required to be set to the correct

> time every 14 days, and re-certified every 6 months.  But who kept the

> official time (down to the second) and where did they get their time from?

>

> Today it's all computerized, but in the early days of steam when the

> telegraph was king the concept of synchronized time seems very difficult 

> to

> attain.  Does anyone know how they did it?

>

> Regards,

>

> Blair Miller

>

> Sent from my iPad

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> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:11:36 -0500

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> Subject: Virginian in 1912--Two items

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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph

> February 27, 1912

>

> PRINCETON DAY BY DAY

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> DISCOVERY OF COAL HAS CAUSED EXCITEMENT

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> While Sinking a Well at Gardner Drill Cut Through Vein Eight Feet Thick

>    A few days ago while workmen were engaged in drilling a well for Hugh 

> Danielly, at Gardner, four mile north of this place, at a depth of 

> thirty-two feet the drill struck a vein of hard coal, according to reports 

> reaching Princeton.  The vein proves to be of the thickness of eight feet 

> and much excitement over the discovery has taken place at Gardner.  It has 

> not yet, however, been determined whether the vein is merely a "pocket" or 

> is a large strata of considerable acreage.  Should it prove the latter, 

> there will be something doing at Gardner and Princeton in the coal mining 

> business.  Gardner is on the railroad built by the Bluestone Land and 

> Lumber Co., and is two miles from the Virginian at Gardner's Junction.

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> Mail Boxes at Depot

>    Uncle Sam has ordered placed at the Virginian depot two mail boxes for 

> the reception of mail.  One box will be devoted entirely to the mail going 

> west and the other to the eastern mail.  This will be a great convenience 

> to all parties in east Princeton having late letters to mail after the 

> mail closes at the local office.  The mail will be gathered from the boxes 

> by the mail clerks on the trains.

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> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:32:29 -0500

> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> Subject: Re: Railroad time

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> Blair

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>    This page from 1905 N&W book of Rules should explain.

> What's interesting to me is the time west of Williamson early rule books

> say west of Kenova were on central time. Of course today the zone change

> is between Illinois and Indiana

>

> Larry Evans

> Kenova, WV

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> Subject: Railroad time

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> Last night my mother gave me a railroad watch certification card for my

> great-grandfather's watch that he used while the engineer on trains nos. 1

> and 3 in the 1930's.  I know of the great wreak in 1891 that led to the

> creation of special watches manufactured specifically for railroad

> personnel. And I know these watches were required to be set to the correct

> time every 14 days, and re-certified every 6 months.  But who kept the

> official time (down to the second) and where did they get their time from?

>

> Today it's all computerized, but in the early days of steam when the

> telegraph was king the concept of synchronized time seems very difficult 

> to

> attain.  Does anyone know how they did it?

>

> Regards,

>

> Blair Miller

>

> Sent from my iPad

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