N&W Pullman 4137 ?

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According to Wayner, "Car Names Numbers and Consists" page 64, these cars  
were built by Budd to Plan 9523 in Lot 9660-023.  No help there.  
 
Cars are indeed typically given individual identification of some sort, at  
least in the modern era.  In my experience, it's been sequential within an  
order, so I have no issue with Ken's belief that unpowered cars were not  
assigned "builder's numbers"
 
Dave Phelps
 
 
In a message dated 3/30/2012 10:16:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes:

A number  of these cars are still around. To my knowledge, the only Budd 
built cars  N&W ever acquired were the S1 sleepers, hence the engraving on the 
 plate.   


Now, unless I am totally wrong, the major passenger car manufacturers,  
Pullman-Standard and Budd, did not assign a serial or builder's number to  
individual cars, therefore, there is no such thing as a "builder's plate" in  
the steam or diesel locomotive terms, which contains the built date, location, 
 and a construction number. 


These plates were simply id plates to identify the maker and the road  they 
were made for. Thusly, the 4137 is not going to be engraved on the plate,  
no matter what. I have not had time to research it, but passenger car makers 
 used what are called "lot numbers" building cars in a lot for an 
individual  order. I do not know if this is the lot number for the N&W order, but  
should be fairly easy to find, it would only identify the entire order of the  
cars, which I think was 20 cars, if it indeed is the lot number, it might 
be a  number someone thought was a lot number, a lot of older notes are not  
historically accurate. 


Budd used a plate exactly like this on Amfleet coaches, they were usually  
located above the end door of the car, on the vestibule end. 
Pullman-Standard  also had an id plate, that just stated the car was built by 
Pullman-Standard,  I don't remember exactly where they were located, but the same 
location would  be a distinct possibility, or on the inside of the car over one of 
the end  doors.


Ken Miller


On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:50 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:



 
Some of the MARC cars were purchased by the S.A.M.  Shortline in GA, where 
they still run with some ex-PRR coaches converted  from 22 roomette cars 
(probably also ex-MARC). Rick's observations make  sense, but still do not 
explain the 1950 date and the name "Norfolk Pride."  Maybe the person who wrote 
on the business card thought he was giving the  built date (which would have 
been a few months earlier), and the reference  to Norfolk Pride was 
intended as an accolade rather than a car name. At any  rate, if 4137 is indeed a 
Budd serial number, it ought to be engraved on the  plate somewhere.
 
Jim Nichols


 
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I think I can clarify the origin of the Budd builder's plate  from an N&W 
S-1.

Around 1964 N&W sold all twenty S-1's to the  Pennsylvania Railroad.  PRR
stripped exterior paint, gutted the  interiors and converted them into
coaches.  Eventually some or all  of these coaches were sold to MARC, the
state of Maryland's commuter  operation.  I remember riding an excursion
from Hagerstown to  Cumberland in the 1980's and at least one car in the
train had the Budd  builders plate stating the car had been built for N&W. 
MARC called these "Heritage"  cars, and I think I also saw a plaque with
the car's original name. I'm  guessing the number 4137 may be on the back
of the plate in  question.  You can be sure that Budd would have used a
production  number for everything they built.

I don't think MARC has any of the  ex-N&W cars in service anymore.  If a
car was wrecked, I am  reasonably certain it happened in MARC service, or
on PRR. Since the car  ended up in Cumberland, I would suspect MARC.
Several years ago MARC had  a serious wreck, and fire, when an eastbound
from Brunswick to Washington  sideswiped the westbound Amtrak Capitol
Limited near Silver Spring,  MD.  I do not know exactly which MARC cars
were destroyed. The MARC  train ran a signal, and hit the motive power of
Amtrak 29 as it was going  thru a crossover.  The ruptured fuel tank on
Amtrak set the derailed  MARC train on fire.  It was running in "push"
mode.

When I  was in Cumberland last Autumn, I observed an ex N&W S-1 in service
on  the Western Maryland Scenic RR, so at least some are still  around.

--Rick  Morrison






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