Class A speed limit in passenger service

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According to employee timetables from the steam era, under the subject SPEED 
LIMIT SIGNALS AT APPROACH TO CURVES, "Passenger trains handled or assisted 
by Class A engines will reduce speed to five miles per hour less than 
passenger train speed shown on the disc."  In other words, the A's could run 
at the maximum authorized speed for passenger trains, except for example, on 
a "60/50" curve, they were restricted to 55 MPH.

Before the ICC imposed speed limits there were no speed restrictions on 
certain portions of the N&W; for example, east of Poe on the Norfolk 
Division, except for curves and other restricted areas such as certain 
incorporated towns.

Louis Newton

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>   1. Thursday Schedule for NWHS Lynchburg Convention (NW Mailing List)

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>   4. Re: Thursday Schedule for NWHS Lynchburg Convention

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>   5. Re: Thursday Schedule for NWHS Lynchburg Convention

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>   6. "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon

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> Although the web site for the conventions mentions "see schedule" in a

> number of locations, I cannot find the convention "schedule" posted 

> anywhere.

> What time do official activities begin on Thursday?

>

> I live an hour away, and have received an invitation to participate in a

> noon-1:00 p.m. activity near home.  I need to know if there's a conflict

> before I commit.

>

> Thanks for your assistance,

>

> Dave Phelps

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> What was the speed limit of the Class A in Passenger service?  Was there a

> restriction in the employee timetable, before the ICC imposed speed 

> limits?

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> Thanks,

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> John Rhodes

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> Subject: Trains, Ties, VGN Historical Article

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> This showed up in my Twitter feed, from the Lynchburg paper about a 

> program

> on the Virginia Blue Ridge Railroad this coming Sunday (June 17) over in

> Nelson County. "The event, co-sponsored by the Nelson County Historical

> Society and the Massies Mill Ruritan Club, will feature a presentation 

> from

> Ed Fielding, a retired Brookville High School teacher and railroad

> enthusiast. The event also will feature former employees sharing their

> experiences, and artifacts will be on view." See the article from the News

> & Advance at http://tinyurl.com/cteosgj or

> http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2012/jun/11/nelson-county-presentation-cover-railroads-history-ar-1979649/?referer=None&shorturl=http://bit.ly/MB9RGi

>

> I caught a quick glimpse on Sunday while passing over the tracks at Kumis

> on U.S. 460 of new wooden ties along the Virginian. I was with family, so

> couldn't stop to check the exact placement, but could this be the end of

> the concrete ties? Perhaps someone has some details about what will be

> replaced and when the gang might get there. I did hear someone getting a

> track-and-time permit this morning (Tuesday) from North Fork to Shelby

> lasting until 6 p.m., so the old VGN must be getting some extensive work

> done.

>

> For those who need a blast from the past, I am gradually getting caught up

> on those little projects that tend to pile up and get shuffled down the 

> "to

> do" list by other projects. I had checked out of the Virginia Tech library

> some time ago a couple volumes of *Railway Gazette* magazine from the 

> early

> 1900s with some Virginian news. I scanned them and that's as far as it 

> got,

> until recently when I went back and extracted the images and cleaned them

> up a bit in Photoshop, then posted the whole thing to my website. See

> http://www.brucebharper.info/nwrwy/Virginian/rrgazette3_13_08.html<http://www.brucebharper.info/nwrwy/Virginian/rrgazette3_13_08.html>for

> the Railroad Gazette article from March 13, 1908, on "Station

> Standards, Virginian Railway" with plans and elevations for its "rustic

> combination stations" and more.

>

> Bruce in Blacksburg

> Webmaster, Frograil rail tours, http://www.frograil.com

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> Charlie:

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> Having had to juggle conference programs in another lifetime working for a

> trade association, I know how fluid these things can be.  Right now all I

> need is "the first activity will begin at X:XX p.m."  Details later is 

> fine.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dave Phelps

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2012 7:18:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes:

>

> Dave and others:

> My  apologies for getting the schedule together earlier. There will be a

> schedule  released in the next 24 hrs for all events. We are doing our 

> best to

> maximize  the Convention activities and participation.

> Thanks

> Charlie Long

> 2012  Convention

> Lynchburg

>

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> Subject: Thursday Schedule for NWHS Lynchburg Convention

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> Although the web site for the conventions mentions "see schedule" in a

> number of locations, I cannot find the convention "schedule" posted 

> anywhere.

> What time do official activities begin on Thursday?

>

> I live an hour away, and have received an invitation to participate in  a

> noon-1:00 p.m. activity near home.  I need to know if there's a  conflict

> before I commit.

>

> Thanks for your assistance,

>

> Dave  Phelps

> </nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

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> Subject: "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon

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>> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with five of the

>> Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. I told them about a VGN

>> motor car I was given an opportunity to salvage, from our good friend

>> Chip Oaks, for the VGN Station project. He also offered a great

>> looking mail crane, but upon researching it, I found out it was from

>> the "W" side, and would not fit the VGN decor of the Station. Plans

>> are being made to restore and make the motor car part of a display at

>> the Station.

>>

>> The Jewel from the past is from February 23, 2006: "Several of the

>> Brethren were talking about Sewell's Point and how busy the rail

>> activity was there. Landon Gregory and 'Slim' Sowder commented about

>> how 'Admiral Taussig Boulevard', which divided the Naval Air Station

>> with the VGN Facilities, was one way IN for morning traffic; and one

>> way OUT for evening traffic. Several new nick names came up: 'Moody'

>> Keafauver, Billing Clerk who had political relatives; 'Jay-Bird' Wren,

>> Engineer, who would bet on Boston's Ted Williams to do anything;

>> 'Chickie-Hawk' Blessingham, First Trick Yardmaster who, if you ever

>> saw him, you would know why he is known as 'Chickie-Hawk', and Jimmy

>> Stewart, Second Trick Yardmaster, who was not a movie star".

>>

>> Passed around was the June 2012 "NRHS News" that lists only one museum

>> in Virginia that gives a discount to NRHS members as the "Richmond

>> Railroad Museum" (a unit of the Old Dominion Chapter). Also passed

>> around was the schedule for the July 3-4, 2012 display of the Norfolk

>> Southern Heritage locomotives at the North Carolina Museum of

>> Transportation in Spencer, NC. NS Chairman and CEO Wick Moorman will

>> speak at 11 AM on the 3rd. VMT has a bus from Roanoke on the 4th. Call

>> 540-342-5670 extension 105 for details. At Spencer the units will be

>> displayed in families: 1 PM: Conrail Family; 2:30 PM N&W Family; and 4

>> PM: Southern Family. For more information go to the NCTM web site or

>> call 704-636-2889 extension 237. We have special plans for the VGN RWY

>> #1069 when she gets back home to Roanoke!

>>

>> Since the Virginian Railway Heritage locomotive #1069 came out of the

>> paint shop over a week ago, I have not seen photos of her on any photo

>> sites. We discussed some of the possible reasons: "too sharp to let

>> photos out, made the others look bad; so good the cameras couldn't

>> handle it; the web site blocked the photos, etc". Some more posted

>> comments about the original #1069 photo were given: "A first rate

>> heritage unit to recognize a class act railroad!; All it needs is an

>> FM prime mover for sound effects; 21st Century Trainmaster; They

>> nailed this one! and Out of the park!"

>>

>> At the N&W (and VGN) Historical Society Archives work session last

>> week I discovered some interesting VGN facts. When the Tidewater

>> Railway first purchased land for the tracks, at a location south of

>> the Roanoke River near Kumis, they bought several acres that were

>> abandoned, for the chosen site north of the river. Also in this area,

>> were found some "Quit-deeds" where the N&W and Tidewater apparently

>> swapped land for each of their chosen routes. Harry Bundy gave me a

>> question to pass on to the Brethren. The VGN #3 and #4 usually had one

>> Combine (coach and mail car combo) and one Coach. Both cars carried a

>> steam line directly from the PA steam locomotive. Did the VGN coaches

>> have a pot bellied stove? Did the combine have some sort of steam heat

>> that was required by the US Postal Service? The Brethren were not sure

>> about this; do you know? Harry passed on to me an interesting

>> observation about the little Pacifics passing through the mile long

>> Merrimac Tunnel. He said crew members told him that "at certain times

>> of the year, the exhaust of the steam from the PA stack hitting the

>> low 11,000 volt overhead line in the tunnel, looked like miniature

>> lightening!"

>>

>> Instead of Show and Tell this time, I proposed a question: What four

>> pieces of Virginian Railway equipment were painted tuscan red,

>> numbered and lettered white on the sides like freight cars, and hauled

>> coal directly to VGN customers? They were NOT used at the coal piers

>> to load ships. Answer next week.

>>

>> Then there's this: What's in a name? The famous US Olympic skier,

>> Picabo (pronounced Pee-Ka-Boo) Street, is not just an athlete. She is

>> now a nurse, currently working in the Intensive Care Unit of a large

>> metropolitan hospital. While on duty, she is no longer permitted to

>> answer telephones. It caused too much confusion when she would answer

>> the phone and say, "Picabo, I. C. U."

>>

>> Time to pull the pin on this one!

>>

>> Departing Now from V248,

>>

>> Skip Salmon

>>

>> CDXXIV

>>

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