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It is a rebuilt (flat bottom with reduced capacity down to 105-tons ) with AB brake hardware  and power handbrake Cla ss G4C car.  Wish the photo  had a date.  Paint is fading.  AFE book would give the approximate shopping date. 



Al Kresse 



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Sorry Roger, 
? 
I misread?a number. Please ignore my email! 
? 
Jeff 

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Roger, 
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Nos. 22000 - 22099 were G5 class. I couldn't find a direct Virginian source, but this comes from the book "Railroading The Modern Way" by S. Kip Farrington, Jr., page 368. Farrington includes a list of Virginian's coal carrying cars by number series and class. 
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For those unfamiliar with this book, Farrington has four chapters on the Virginian. Published in 1951 by Coward-McCann, Inc, New York, this is one of a number of books by Farrington, several of which contain Virginian stories. 
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Jeff Sanders 

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Attempting to ID what I think is a VGN battleship gondola. Road number 20078, capacity is 210000. Can't read anything else in the photo. Guessing its a G4 something. Can someone id class of this car?? 

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Thanks everyone! I have put the 20078 as a class G4C. 

- Roger 

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> The TLC VGN Freight Car reprint book (shameless plug)shows it's a G4C. 

> Somewhere in our High Capacity Gon materials is the evolution of and the 

> differences between the G4 subclasses; if my aging memory serves (someone's 

> going to "help me out here") other than the big rebuild in 1937 and 

> 1938--when both the G3 and G4 had their drop-bottoms (what we peasants call 

> "fishbellies")eliminated and their capacity reduced, the differences are 

> kind of minor [stand back for someone to enumerate the brake gear and truck 

> differences]. 

> 

> Frank Bongiovanni 

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> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:00 PM, NW Mailing List < 

> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 

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>> Attempting to ID what I think is a VGN battleship gondola. Road number 

>> 20078, capacity is 210000. Can't read anything else in the photo. Guessing 

>> its a G4 something. Can someone id class of this car?? 

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>> http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=98301 

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>> - Roger Link 

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I have added another article from *Railway Age Gazette* from 1913 that 
provides a lot of details about the N&W 90-ton gondolas that rode on 
six-wheel trucks. There is a photograph of the car and a view of one of the 
trucks, and drawings of the car and a truck. See 
http://www.brucebharper.info/nwrwy/historical_articles/N&Wgondola.html to 
learn about the construction of these cars. 

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:56:00 -0500 
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Subject: "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon 
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Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with seven of the Brethren 
and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Most were drenched by the tremendous 
rain that hit our area about meeting time. 

For Show and Tell I took two items. The first is a 1922 VGN track chart 
from the N&W (and VGN) HS Archives, showing the Roanoke Yard and trackage 
from mile post 243 to 245 in Roanoke. This chart shows the two main lines 
and 15 yard tracks that were active at that time. It also showed the 
Roanoke Railway and Electric tracks (Roanoke's street car line) and where 
they crossed the VGN two places. The first was at grade where Jefferson 
Street crossed the VGN and the other just west of the N&W diamond at the 
Walnut Ave interlocking. The eastern crossing is where the street car hit 
VGN #3 that time. The second item was something I found in one of my 
"stashes", a Roanoke Railway and Electric device for dispensing street car 
tokens. This item brought back memories for the Brethren and they recalled 
riding the street cars and seeing them cross the VGN coming out of their 
near-by motor barn. Most of them remember riding the street cars and 
several mentioned that on New Year's eve there were usually several hundred 
torpedoes placed on the street car crossing tracks to "celebrate" the New 
Year. 

The ebay report this time includes the following VGN items recently sold: 
1914 VGN Public Timetable for $50.00; 1941 Annual Pass for $34.77; Original 
slide of EL-C crossing the bridge at Glyn Lyn for $24.95, New River #22 
1955 Employee Timetable for $30.00; several H. Reid's books for 
$20.50-44.95; VGN in Color for $59.95; "Coal on the Move" booklet for 
$45.95; 1933 Gilbert Yard blueprint for $49.98; 50 VGN pencils for $9.99 
(DEAL OF THE MONTH);1936 VGN Safety Rule Book for $22.72 and Virginian Tall 
Globe lantern for $945.00. 

Felix Price, who served as Assistant Power Director at the VGN Power Plant 
at Narrows, brought a great 1954 photo of an EL-3A spotting coal cars into 
the Power Plant. He said the plant used six or seven full hoppers of coal 
each day to keep the electrics running. He said John McKinzie of 
Peterstown, WV took the photo and gave it to him. Felix also told the 
Brethren about setting up the system for EL-2Bs that were using 
regenerative dynamic braking. When the situation was not available to have 
them assist another coal train power up Clark's Gap, the dynamic braking 
used the New River as a Dynamic Braking grid. Felix said that sometimes 
after this operation, there were many dead fish seen in the River and 
"they'd never let you do that now!" 

The Jewel from the Past is from September 21, 2006: "I asked about high 
rail cars being used, as requested on this site by Ed Chambers. Slick Inge 
remembered the old Ford Station Wagon used by Superintendents. He said he 
recalled the Superintendent riding 'shotgun' while a Trainmaster drove, 
with a Conductor being assigned as crew, riding in the back seat with the 
other members of the inspection party. Also the question of what type of 
shirt was worn by engineers with their overalls, was asked. The consensus 
was that most wore a blue denim shirt. Of course engineer 'Double A' Akers' 
name came up regarding the white starched cap he always wore with the denim 
shirt and overalls". 

Then there's this: The "Washington Post" published the winning submissions 
to its yearly contest of "alternate meanings for common words. The 
following are the Brethren's favorites: COFFEE: The person upon whom one 
coughs. FLABBERGASTED: Appalled by discovering how much weight one has 
gained. LYMPH: To walk with a lisp. And my favorite BALDERDASH: A rapidly 
receding hairline. 

Time to pull the pin on this one. 

Departing Now from V248, 

Skip Salmon 

CDLVI 

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