Punkin' Vine, Trains 11/12, Questions

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According to my records, the last day of operation of Punkin' Vine trains 11 
and 12 was Saturday, February 18, 1961.

No. 11 consisted of 5 coaches and a head end car, handled by units 520-509. 
The extra coaches were run to accommodate an overflow crowd of passengers on 
the final day of operation.  It arrived North Winston Yard at 3:05 PM, 22 
minutes late.

For the final months of operation, because of a highway construction project 
near the W-S Union Station, Nos. 11 and 12 "turned" at North Winston. 
Passengers were handled between there and Union Station by taxicab.

On the final trip, No. 12, with units 509-520, left North Winston at 3:33 
PM, met No. 53 at Mayodan, and arrived in Roanoke at 7:25 pm, 40 minutes 
late.  The delays en route were due to handling the large number of 
passengers, which "The Roanoke Times" reported the next day had been a total 
of 755 for both trips.

Louis Newton

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> I am scanning and Photoshopping some old negatives for the N&W Archives at 

> Shaffers Crossing. But I need some help with dates.

>

> 1. What was the date for the last operation of Trains 11/12 between 

> Roanoke and Winston-Salem? Anyone have an engine number?

>

> 2. Several years before the end of Trains 11/12, somewhere around 1961, 

> the N&W operated two gondola cars with seats on Trains 11/12 on a sunny 

> Summer Saturday (wow... how's that for an alliteration?) trip to 

> Winston-Salem and return. Can anyone give me the date for that trip, and 

> the engine number?

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> -- abram burnett

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> Thanks Russ,

>

>

>

> The link to the Flannery photos is an absolute gold mine.  I've got Ron's

> book "L&N in the Appalachians".

>

>

>

> I've been studying the Norton satellite images on Google Maps.  I'm not 

> able

> to locate any diesel service facilities.  Were there none there?

>

>

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> Carl;

>

> I would second Paul's recommendation of the Clinch Valley, at least 

> between

> St. Paul and Norton, as I am going to model that section, plus on westward

> to Appalachia & Andover on the former Interstate. In addition to coal, the

> L&N had run-through trains, including at least two daily freights that 

> came

> through Hagan's Switchback and were interchanged to the Clinchfield via 

> St.

> Paul. The N&W and the Interstate ran parallel to each other and crossed 

> each

> other twice between Norton and Tacoma, as well as both served the large

> Paramount Coal complex at Ramsey, VA. Between Tacoma and Coeburn, the

> Interstate turned south along the Guest River and went on to the

> Clinchfield's Miller Yard. So you would be able to run Southern coal and

> freights in the background as well.

>

> As far as industries on that end of the line you have at least the 

> following

> list on the N&W:

>

> Carbo - AEP Power Plant - coal in, loaded 2 bay 100T cement hoppers out 

> (for

> removal of fly ash)

> St. Paul - there is a ready-mix concrete plant (crushed stone, sand and

> cement)

> St. Paul - building construction supply house (brick / CMU in boxcars,

> lumber on flats & center beams)

> Russell - Flood Loader

> Coeburn / Big Toms Crk Br - two loading locations, ammonium nitrate plant

> There are ~6 main line load outs on the N&W and another 4 mainline load 

> outs

> on the Interstate between Coeburn and Norton.

> Norton - There used to be a ready mix concrete plant (IIRC), a Texaco Oil

> distribution center and two freight houses. There also used to be a team

> track for the Caterpillar dealer and the Pepsi Cola facility used to get

> serviced as well, though Pepsi was on the Interstate.

>

> Ed Wolfe has written three wonderful books about the Interstate and Ron

> Flannery has written a couple of books on the L&N's operations in the

> region, focusing on the L&N Cumberland Sub, those books in addition to Dan

> Borques Appalachian Railroads website that Paul mentioned should be

> excellent resources for you. You may also want to look up Ron Flannery on 

> RR

> Pictures.net as he has a bunch of period photos on that website. You can

> sort by photographer to help filter your search down.

>

> While I am modeling the area myself, I do not have a track plan to share 

> as

> my wife and I are working toward building a new basement in the next two

> years.

>

> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly.

>

> Regards,

> Russ Goodwin

> Buford, GA

>

>

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> Subject: RE: Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model

> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:58:57 +0000

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>

>

> Carl-

>

>

>

> I am modeling the Clinch Valley District in N-scale, and I think you will

> find it a great section of the N&W to model. Depending on your space

> restrictions, I suggest you consider modeling  Norton to St. Paul/Boody or

> Norton to Richlands. Norton was the interchange with the L&N and the

> Interstate/Southern which will give you a variety of railroads and rolling

> stock to model. During the time period you are interested in the L&N had

> trackage rights over the CV from Norton to St. Paul so that the L&N could

> interchange coal trains with the Clinchfield at Castle (just south of St.

> Paul on the Clinchfield).  At Boody (just east of St. Paul) the N&W

> interchanged with the Clinchfield. Between St. Paul and Coeburn are a 

> series

> of tunnels and trestles that would be great to model. East from St. Paul

> there was a small yard and the AEP power plant at Carbo,  and Richlands 

> had

> a small yard and some industries to switch. Of course there were numerous

> coal tipples and loaders along the CV.

>

>

>

> To get started I suggest you take a look at the three part series on the 

> CV

> that Bucky Wilson and I published in  The Arrow in 2004 (volumes 20-2; 

> 20-3;

> and 20-4), and I published  an article about Richlands in the 

> January-March,

> 2011 edition of The Arrow (volume2 7-1). (Sorry for the personal plug. )

>

>

>

> Official Guides and N&W employee timetables show the through freight

> schedules on the CV for any time period you are interested in.

>

>

>

> There are some HO track plans based on the CV at the Appalachian Railroad

> Modeling website: www.appalachianrailroadmodeling.com.

>

>

>

>

>

> Hope that this helps.

>

>

>

>

>

> Paul Mandelkern

>

> Winter Park, Florida

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> Subject: Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model

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>

>

> I know this title looks "model" based, but what I'm after is opinions on 

> an

> interesting piece of the railroad from the folks that have been there and

> understand the operations.

>

>

>

> I was planning to model the Radford Division from Narrows to Bluefield in

> N-scale, but the more I look at N-scale models the less convinced I am 

> that

> they are big enough for me to work with.  Since the eyes will only be

> getting worse from here, I'm going back to HO scale.

>

>

>

> A major yard and double track main won't fit my space in HO so I need to

> pick a new location - not to mention the New River which would eat up a 

> huge

> chunk of the real estate on even a N-scale layout.  I'm looking for

> something in the VA/WV mountains, single track, nice mountain scenery, a

> minor yard and a decent traffic rate.  I'm interested in the early 70's 

> just

> before the N&W switched to buying low hood diesels.  Right now I'm leaning

> toward the Clinch Valley  District.  My thinking is that the connections 

> at

> the southern end (or is it western?) will give me an excuse to mix in a

> little variety rather than running 100% coal.

>

>

>

> Any info on what traffic patterns looked like on the Clinch Valley in the

> 70's would be very helpful.  I'm also open to advice on a branch that 

> might

> be more interesting to model.

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Carl Woods

>

>

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