Class J Mechanical Engineer Names

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Mr. Jeffries, Mr. King and Mr. King,
Thank you for pointing me in the direction of your books. Sadly, the project is due Tuesday and we dont have time to purchase and receive the books. I will definitely look into them for future projects. 
Mr. King, could I have your permission to use the picture you sent?  Also, could you give me a link to your book.  I am having trouble finding it.
Many thanks for you help and information!
Evette Yates

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> Mr. King,

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> Thank you for your response.  Can you tell me more about Frank C. Noel?   Is he from Norfolk & Western, or a hired designer from elsewhere?  Do you know where he got his inspiration from?  Absolutely anything will be a big help!

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> Any pictures, stories, names, etc. will be much appreciated for anyone who worked on or designed the Class J's.

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> Please help my son honor these wonderful people who worked together to create the best trains as more than employees of Norfolk & Western!  

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> Evette Yates

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> To add to Ed's comments, my Giants of Steam book gives a lot of information 

> about designing the J and streamining details.  Also the book shows 

> photographs of the various proposed streamline schemes which I was able to 

> use from Frank Noel's collection; the text of the J chapter tells about 

> Frank Noel and his role in streamlineing them.

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> Bud Jeffries

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>> My A book contains a list of all the guys in the Mechanical Engineer's 

>> office when the A was designed.  A couple of changes occurred between that 

>> time and when the J was designed.  John Pilcher retired as chief 

>> Mechanical Engineer in 1938 and  his place was taken by H. W. Reynolds. 

>> The Chief Draftsman retired in 1936 and his place was taken by Gurdon P. 

>> McGavock.

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>> The guy who designed the streamlining was not in the ME's office.  He was 

>> Frank C. Noel.

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>> EdKing

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>> Evette,

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> Ms Yates

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> I'd strongly suggest you look up Ed's book on the Class A, Bud Jefferies

> book on Norfolk and Westen Steam and my book on the Class J for more about

> the design process, each book has discussion on that, in addition to other

> books on the Norfolk and Western. Generally pictures of the folks were not

> published very often, but if I recall correctly, there is a photo with

> Frank Noel (who was an N&W employee, BTW) in it on the original exhibition

> runs of the 600.

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> Most photos would have been published in the N&W Magazine, in the form of

> promotions. There was an article published in January or February

> 1951regarding the expansion of the Motive Power building in Roanoke (where

> the locomotives were designed) that includes some of the folks, one in

> particular of the drafting department as below.

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> Unfortunately I don't have my notes with me, with the names, but the date

> of the photo was December 8, 1950.

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> Noel was an N&W man; IFIR he worked in the passenger car dept and was known to have an artistic bent.  I believe there is more about him in Bud Jeffries? GIANT OF STEAM book.  I think there were also some sketches that were rejected on the way to the J design.  These appear on pages 240-241 of the revised edition of GIANT OF STEAM.

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> Mr. King, 

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> Thank you for your response.  Can you tell me more about Frank C. Noel?   Is he from Norfolk & Western, or a hired designer from elsewhere?  Do you know where he got his inspiration from?  Absolutely anything will be a big help!

> 

> Any pictures, stories, names, etc. will be much appreciated for anyone who worked on or designed the Class J's.

> 

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> Please help my son honor these wonderful people who worked together to create the best trains as more than employees of Norfolk & Western!  

> 

> Evette Yates

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> Vince

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> I'll make a few estimates here. I seriously doubt that there is any kind of listing of when these booklets were produced.

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> The ebay one you linked was probably produced in 1946-47, as it depicted the art work for the Powhatan Arrow on the cover. I know of  a pre Class J variety, a slightly later version with another painting with a freight train on the cover and I think one after that, but I don't feel like going through the file boxes right now.

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> Then after the late 1950s cost cutting came into effect, and starting eliminating these booklets, and replaced them with smaller less detailed pieces.

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> The every ten years idea comes from the population figures based on the last census, which was every 10 years, i.e. 1930, 1940, 1950, etc.

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> I doubt they printed a ten year supply of these at a time, maybe a two or three year supply at the most, due to changes in details within the books.

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> Best

> Ken Miller

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>> Here's an eBay listing for a 1941 Along The Right Of Way booklet. 

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>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-Norfolk-and-Western-Railways-Along-the-Right-of-Way-Brochure-/251491891755

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>> Is there a listing anywhere of how many different editions of these were produced? I think they were printed every ten years, but there's no date on any of the four different ones I have. 

>> 

>> Thanks.

>> Vince Albert

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