500 Series Pacific's scrapping

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My apologies Jim, absolutely your father's work is well noted, and specifically included in Bixby's notes as well, he compiled, and also cross checked as well as filled in some holes, through files in Motive Power. I certainly was not meaning to discredit him, as his is the basis of virtually all N&W steam rosters to this day.

My statement was, as you can see below, was that Prince reproduced Bixby's typed originals, I'm sorry that I was not clear that it was complications of your father's work, motive power records and files that Bixby found.

Again, my apologies

Ken Miller


On Apr 11, 2014, at 4:15 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:


> You may note on page 2 of Prince's book that he credits the basic roaster information to a list compiled by my father, H. E. Nichols, "and additional furnished and checked" by Bixby. Obviously, this is a personal point for me, and I want to be sure my father gets credit for his years of careful research. I have great respect for Bixby's work, but he was not the primary source. That credit goes to the late H. E. Nichols.

> 

> Jim Nichols 

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> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 1:10 PM

> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

> 

> Bud

> 

> You make an excellent point, but just to clarify, I think you mean most of the E2s were scrapped at Roanoke or Portsmouth, is that correct? 

> 

> Since the majority of the remaining E2s occurred over a year or so, it was done at the Shops. It appears to me, that with the mass retirements of steam beginning in 1958, virtually all, if not all, was done by outside concerns. I wonder if that was, to use today's term, "outsourced" to allow the reduction in Shop forces. I'd suspect that selling the stuff outside, allowing for a reduction in the employees and those related costs, allowed the bottom line to look better for Stuart T, and company.

> 

> In addition the volume of stuff to be scrapped would have kept the Shops busy for several years/

> 

> I'll also note that the vast majority of Prince's roster data was compiled by Art Bixby. The typewritten roster sheets in the book are directly from Bixby's typed originals. I think there was some record of where stuff was scrapped, but by far it was incomplete. 

> 

> Personally, I'd not be surprised that 563 would have been sold to DJ Joesph and Sons at Cincinnati, but again, I've never seen a record of such.

> 

> Ken Miller

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> On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:10 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:

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>> Jim,

>>  

>> A couple of points here.  The large ledger that your father kept at MP states that the 547 was dismanthled at Roanoke 1951, while the 563 and 578 were RETIRED at Bluefield in December 1958.  These two E-2s were the only one's left after 1955.  As was common practice when steam was being retired for dieselization, the ledger lists where the engine was retired but not where scrapped.  In Prince's book, he lists many locomotives that were sold for scrapping and the name of the scrapper.  But the largest number were either scrapped at Roanoke or Portsmouth in the company shops.  The 563 is not listed as being sold to a scrapper by Prince.

>>  

>> For all who are conjecturing about the 563 being scrapped in Cincinnati, I would caution those to rely on documentation to confirm that.  It is very possible that the 563 was scrapped in Portsmouth unless adequate documentaiton shows definitively otherwise.

>>  

>> Bud Jeffries

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>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:47 PM

>> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>> 

>> According to Prince, 547 was "Dism." 4-1951

>> 

>> Jim Nichols

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>> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 7:18 PM

>> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>> 

>> What does Bixby's data or any other source say about when and/or where E2b Pacific # 547 was scrapped?

>> Thanks

>> Dave Gooding

>>  

>>  

>> ----- Original Message -----

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>> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 8:47 PM

>> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>> 

>> D.J. Joseph  Company in Cincinnati cut up locomotives for the N&W

>> 563 could have been your loco. but  Bixby's data says Scraped Roanoke 12/58

>> 

>> Larry Evans

>> Kenova, WV

>> 

>> "There's the sun, there's the moon, there's the air we breathe, and

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>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:14 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

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>>> According to my father's notes, 563 was retired 12-58. I have no other information, so don't know where the scrapper was; but most engines that went west ended up at Friedmans Scrap Yard in Portsmouth. Why one would go west through Batavia is a mystery. BTW: 563 and 578 were the last ones (by a long shot).

>>> 

>>> Jim Nichols

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>>> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 3:18 PM

>>> Subject: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>>> 

>>> Between 1958-60 how many N&W pacifics would have been left to scrap.

>>> We have a movie clip of one coming through Batavia headed west, presumably to scrap.

>>> However, 578 went to Columbus.  As I recall back in 1957 we rode that trip from Bluefield with

>>> 563 and 578, so I was wondering if those were the last two and perhaps the one we saw was 563?

>>> Does anyone know where these pacifics were in fact scrapped, and did 578 travel on the Peavine(unlikely)?

>>> Greg Scholl

>>> 

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