Post Merger NW Reporting Marks

Sat Apr 18 08:46:08 EDT 2015

Bill 

   Let’s try this again . When they broke up Conrail the NYC reporting mark was transferred to CSX.  The PRR and CR reporting marks

were transferred to Norfolk Southern and still belong to them . They changed the reporting marks on equipment that went to CSX to the NYC mark . There was not any need to put PRR on the equipment going to NS as they inherited the CR reporting mark but there was some stuff that got the PRR mark most noticeable were some locomotives

Larry Evans

Kenova, WV

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Bruce and Larry  -

I can assure all that CSX was  the party to apply PRR to their former Conrail cars.  Norfolk Southern did not apply anything to the former Conrail railcars they acquired in the merger.

Bill Browder

Moneta, Virginia

In a message dated 4/17/2015 2:58:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>  writes:

Bruce 

You are correct here . Even today PRR  is a Norfolk Southern  mark just like SOU,NW

NS owns all cars carrying that mark. Same with CSX and the NYC reporting mark. 

Larry Evans

"There's the sun, there's the moon, there's the air we breathe, and 

there's the Rolling Stones"  Keith Richards

On Apr 17, 2015, at 9:19 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> > wrote:

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:08 PM, 

Bill

 wrote:

First developed when NS and CSX purchased Conrail and divided up the Conrail equipment.  In order to avoid duplicate reporting markings with the Association of American Railroads (AAR) reporting system, it was agreed that CSX would add PRR to the unique number of the equipment they acquired.  NS would not add anything to the equipment they acquired in the division of Conrail equipment they received in the purchase.

I thought that because of the way Conrail had been divided, Norfolk Southern (which picked up mostly former Pennsylvania RR lines) used the PRR reporting mark and CSX (which received mostly former New York Central lines) used the NYC reporting mark.

Second, Norfolk Southern and its predecessor Southern Railway used the sub lettering on their locomotives to visually identify ownership under the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) identification standards.  They use to go further and have metal plates attached to the locomotives and other equipment which identified the entity, normally a bank, that had financed the purchase.

Equipment trusts probably had a lot to do with how equipment was lettered and tracked during and right after a merger.

Finally, I'm not sure that "Southern purchased the N&W," ever, although I always enjoyed telling everybody that, especially after Ed Burwell sent me to the N&W coal piers at Lamberts Point and I had to relearn all the operating and safety rules for the N&W!

I don't know if the Southern Railway still exists as a corporation, but the Norfolk & Western Railway was terminated as a company when it was fully merged into the Norfolk Southern Railway Company in 1998. See http://www.brucebharper.info/nwrwy/RIP-NW.html for the report from the Surface Transportation Board.

Bruce in Blacksburg

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