NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 177, Issue 19
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Fri Sep 20 23:41:03 EDT 2019
Mailman (the software that runs this mailing list) passwords are normally system generated. Unless you have changed it for some reason, it has nothing to do with any password you use elsewhere. Just pretend it’s called something other than a password. And it is very bad practice to use the same password multiple places. If you are doing that, you should start changing them right away.
Not all passwords need the same level of protection. If I were to learn a system generated mailing list password, about the worst I could do is unsubscribe you from the list. I can’t steal your money or your identity with it or do anything that would cause you any harm other causing you to miss a few messages from the list.
That all said, the monthly emailing of list passwords should be turned off. There is no good reason for it. I think even one of the current Mailman developer agrees (I have exchanged emails with him as a few years back, I contributed some documentation to the project). But the version of Mailman that this list is being run on (2.1.29) is essentially in maintenance mode with only critical fixes being made; most effort is on the new version 3. And since version 2 is in maintenance mode, it’s not worth the effort to remove an easily turned off feature since there is risk that removing it would break something else.
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Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
> On Sep 20, 2019, at 4:57 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> I agree, and I mentioned it a month ago. Please stop exposing passwords. Many of us use the same password for more than one account and we don't want to have to change a bunch of them because y'all leaked one.
>
> Walter Davis
>
> Youngsville, NC
>
> On 9/20/2019 8:28 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>> Re: Hacking issue.
>>
>> One of my complaints and one which the "moderators" seem to choose to ignore is what happens every 1st day of the month of this list. What is that you say? Read your notice and in plain English is YOUR individual password for this account; every month.
>>
>> That needs to be stopped; no more passwords in English as this IS the ONLY such RR chat group which I am a member and reader of that does something as foolish as that.
>>
>> Please, do something, all.
>>
>> Bob Cohen
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. RE: HACKING ISSUE? (NW Mailing List)
>> 2. Re: Roundhouses in Roanoke (NW Mailing List)
>> 3. Re: Roundhouses in Roanoke (NW Mailing List)
>> 4. RE: HACKING ISSUE? (NW Mailing List)
>> 5. Re: HACKING ISSUE? (NW Mailing List)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 17:07:36 +0000
>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: RE: HACKING ISSUE?
>> Message-ID: <mailman.1284.1568914562.12412.nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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>> Ed
>>
>> I received the same email earlier today as well. Not sure where it is coming from or why. Hopefully the moderators can address this issue.
>>
>> Regards
>> Russ Goodwin
>> Oakwood , GA
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S? 5
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Date: 9/19/19 12:45 (GMT-05:00)
>> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
>> Subject: HACKING ISSUE?
>>
>> Gents I've gotten some notes from NW Modeling List saying my membership has been discontinued because of "Multiple bounces" going back to July? I'm at a loss and have written again to what I think is a good NW Mailing List address. I was asking what the best source of mainline/yard/branch ballast is and color - which looks whitish with a few darker flecks of stone in the photos I see in books.
>> If I need to fix something on my end, please let me know. Thanks guys.
>>
>> Ed Svitil
>> Alpharetta GA
>> NW Historical Society Member #0317.
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>> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 13:35:38 -0400
>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: Re: Roundhouses in Roanoke
>> Message-ID: <mailman.1285.1568914567.12412.nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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>> John
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>> The roundhouse for the VGN was taken down in summer 1960 as per Abe Burnett?s slides. The two at 12th Street came down in 1934 just before year end from a file I have somewhere on them. The Shaffer Crossing one stood until about 1982, the passenger car one at Roanoke Shops is still standing, the one at the Shops turntable was still there, late steam era, like 1957, but I don?t know exactly when it was taken down.
>>
>> Best
>> Ken Mller
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>> > On Sep 19, 2019, at 9:58 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > For general interest.
>> >
>> > Portion of a Roanoke map c.1930 by Sone Printing Co.
>> >
>> > For a relatively small city . . . six roundhouses are shown standing at that
>> > particular time. Not sure for how many years that was true. Ten at most?
>> >
>> > John Garner, Newport VA
>> >
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:43:50 -0400
>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: Re: Roundhouses in Roanoke
>> Message-ID: <mailman.1286.1568919919.12412.nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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>> More interesting to me is the connection track coming off of the Roanoke
>> District (Shen. Div.) going to the Blue Ridge Dist. (Norf. Div.). Which
>> begs the question, why wasn't it kept in place? It sure would have come
>> in handy later on.
>>
>> Jimmy Lisle
>>
>> On 9/19/2019 9:58 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>> > For general interest. Portion of a Roanoke map c.1930 by Sone Printing
>> > Co. For a relatively small city . . . six roundhouses are shown
>> > standing at that particular time. Not sure for how many years that was
>> > true. Ten at most? John Garner, Newport VA
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>> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:48:52 -0500 (CDT)
>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: RE: HACKING ISSUE?
>> Message-ID: <mailman.1292.1568922676.12412.nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I'm not versed in e-mail issues, but they have "rules" among the servers for handling email.
>>
>>
>> It is not being hacked. It is nothing the sender can do. It's email protocol and conformity among the servers.
>>
>>
>> Sometimes the rules change, and e-mails have yet to catch up. Sometimes the servers have bugs and emails get flagged and/or rejected.
>>
>>
>> Sometimes it's the provider. In my case, Comcast is notorious for determining what I can receive or not. I wish they would let me make that determination!
>>
>>
>> In some cases, I've gone to another email address (like gmail) so I can receive my email.
>>
>>
>> Stay alert, and observe what does or does not happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kim Hensley
>>
>> Huntsville, AL
>>
>>
>>
>> > On September 19, 2019 at 12:07 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > I received the same email earlier today as well. Not sure where it is coming from or why. Hopefully the moderators can address this issue.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Russ Goodwin
>> > Oakwood , GA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S? 5
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> > Date: 9/19/19 12:45 (GMT-05:00)
>> > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
>> > Subject: HACKING ISSUE?
>> >
>> > Gents I've gotten some notes from NW Modeling List saying my membership has been discontinued because of "Multiple bounces" going back to July? I'm at a loss and have written again to what I think is a good NW Mailing List address. I was asking what the best source of mainline/yard/branch ballast is and color - which looks whitish with a few darker flecks of stone in the photos I see in books.
>> > If I need to fix something on my end, please let me know. Thanks guys.
>> >
>> > Ed Svitil
>> > Alpharetta GA
>> > NW Historical Society Member #0317.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:10:17 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: Re: HACKING ISSUE?
>> Message-ID: <mailman.1295.1568924937.12412.nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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>> I have the same thing happen with the NW Lists as well as my IO groups. Nothing I have done and I merely just send back the email and everything is ok for a while and it starts up again. Just part of life in the computer world.
>> Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works
>>
>> On Thursday, September 19, 2019, 02:51:23 PM CDT, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm not versed in e-mail issues, but they have "rules" among the servers for handling email. ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It is not being hacked.? It is nothing the sender can do.? It's email protocol and conformity among the servers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes the rules change, and e-mails have yet to catch up.? Sometimes the servers have bugs and emails get flagged and/or rejected.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes it's the provider.? In my case, Comcast is notorious for determining what I can receive or not.? I wish they would let me make that determination!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In some cases, I've gone to another email address (like gmail) so I can receive my email.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay alert, and observe what does or does not happen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kim Hensley
>>
>> Huntsville, AL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On September 19, 2019 at 12:07 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Ed
>> I received the same email earlier today as well. Not sure where it is coming from or why. Hopefully the moderators can address this issue.
>> Regards?Russ Goodwin?Oakwood , GA?
>>
>>
>> Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S? 5
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Date: 9/19/19 12:45 (GMT-05:00)
>> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
>> Subject: HACKING ISSUE?
>>
>> Gents? I've gotten some notes from NW Modeling List saying my membership has been discontinued because of "Multiple bounces" going back to July?? I'm at a loss and have written again to what I think is a good NW Mailing List address.? I was asking what the best source of mainline/yard/branch ballast is and color - which looks whitish with a few darker flecks of stone in the photos I see in books.If I need to fix something on my end, please let me know.? Thanks?guys.
>> Ed SvitilAlpharetta GANW Historical Society Member #0317.
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
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