Y3 Proto 2000

Tue May 5 13:29:47 EDT 2020

In addition to the two tenders modified on the two Clinch Valley E-2s, there was a third 18K tender modified to take an A-tank. In Sept. 1953, C.E. Pond notified C. P. Blair that "Engine 2076 has been equipped with auxiliary tender which will eliminate the necessity of it having to double back to Hull to secure sufficient water for completion of day's work when it is working in the Glen Alum territory." This was because of taking the Glen Alum water station out of service.

Bud Jeffries

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Before the bitter end, when Js were fitted for A-tanks, they were only used on 2100s and As.  An exception to this were the Js used on Columbus District
77 and 78.  Lore has it that one extremely cold night the J on 78 ran out of water because the connection to the A-tank froze solid.

  The most unusual use of A-tanks was on the E-2s used on the Clinch when it was desired to quit maintaining water facilities when freight service was dieselized.  In one of the videos the 578 is shown slipping trying to get out of Bluefield, Va. with an A tank.  I'll bet they had a good time trying to get up Bull Mountain with the extra tonnage . . .

On his second book of locomotive plans, Bob Hundman had a painting on the front cover depicting a 2000 with an A-tank.  It was not a photograph.

The official name for these was "canteen", but that term was seldom heard on the road; the folks called them "A-tanks".
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- Ed King

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The purpose of the canteen was to extend road operation and limit water stops. As far as I can tell, none of the 18,000 gallon tanks used on the Y-3s were converted to use canteens, by the time they had enough tanks to care of the 22,000 gallon equipped road power, the Y3s were down to mine runs, local service, or yard service. No real need to carry extra water, as most were not over the road service.

If someone has better information, I’d be glad to hear it.

Ken Miller

> On May 5, 2020, at 8:26 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> I do not know if the Y3 used canteens but on my 12 or so I do use a 
> canteen. The reason for that is the pickups on the locomotives it self 
> is poor and looses contact in time. I have wired a Bachmann canteen in 
> parallel that solves this problem.
>
> Doing this is must if you will use sound as most sound units have 
> little tolerance for bad pickup and it spoils the mood. I use 
> soundtrax decoders with the capacitor included with great results.
>
> Mike Ritschdorff
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> Does any know if the N&W Y-3's ever used Canteens?
> I have three of the P2K  Y-3's, hope get DCC sound installed this year.
> W.A.Coleman
>> On May 2, 2020 at 12:47 PM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List 
>> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> Thanks, Don. I couldn't figure that out and assumed it was some sort 
>> of abbreviation or description I'd never head of. Makes sense.
>>
>> Roger Huber
>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 2, 2020, 10:18:58 AM CDT, NW Mailing List 
>> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> And “rwnswe” is “tender” with the left hand shifted one key to the 
>> left on the keyboard.
>>
>> Don
>>
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>> Roger -
>>
>> The N&W had two varities of 18000 gallon tenders.  The type modeled 
>> for the Y-3s is the earlier version.  A later version had a cast 
>> underframe that served as the bottom of the cistern; it was somewhat 
>> shorter than the earlier version.  Both versions carried 26 tons of 
>> coal.  The 16000 version modeled carried 23 tons; N&W had several 
>> hundred of these tenders.
>>
>> The next step up was the 22000 gallon job which also carried 26 tons 
>> of coal and made its debut behind the Y-5s.
>>
>> Hope this helps -
>>
>> EdK
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>> Ed,
>>
>> I have a hard time making ID on some of the N&W tenders. What is an 
>> 18k rwnswe tender?
>>
>> Roger Huber
>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 07:36:35 PM CDT, NW Mailing List 
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>> I have a 2005 with footboard front end, no bridgepipe and 18K rwnswe. 
>> This is correct for the 2005 which was in yard service at Portsmouth.
>>
>> I have a 2024 with road pilot, bridgepipe and 18K tender.  This 
>> engine worked the Roanoke-Bluefield local freight and I photographed 
>> it a couple of times at Walton.
>>
>> I have a 2037 (the first Y-3 I ever saw) with a road pilot, no 
>> bridgepipe, and thanks to a tender swap with the Rev. Jim Nichols, a 
>> 16K tender.  I saw the 2037 working a mine run on the Dry Fork.
>>
>> Hope this helps . . .
>>
>> - Ed King
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>>
>> Re: Proto 2000 Y3.  I checked my two models.  They are both lettered. 
>> 2005 has the original Y3 front set up and with foot board pilot.  
>> 2024 came with bridge pipe front end and road pilot.  I remember 
>> contacting Life-Like about buying a road pilot for 2005.  They sent 
>> me the part at no charge.  Unfortunately after Walther's acquired 
>> Life-Like, they wanted nothing to do with steam models. So finding a 
>> bridge pipe part would not be easy.
>>
>> Attached is a photo of 2010 in Hagerstown original front end and road 
>> pilot.  Photo by Charles Summers.  Charlie worked as a farm hand.  On 
>> his weekends off he would take rail photos with a simple box camera.  
>> Before his death he gave his negatives to a friend of his.  2010 was 
>> one of his better efforts.  Too bad he didn't have a better camera.  
>> I have scanned what there was of N&W, dating from the late 1930's up 
>> to the end of steam on the Shenandoah Division.
>>
>> --Rick Morrison
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