What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers

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Ed
How did you get 8? No oil?
John Rhodes

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 7:26 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> Thank you Ken, Abram and Ed for the quick and enlightening response. I
> have learned something today.
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> Now the other part of the question, have these been included in a decal
> set? Since they obviously remained on some older cars into the 70s and 80s
> I would like to include it on a model. And I would think that those
> modeling an earlier timeframe would want some.
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> Ed, Of course I would be interested in how you got eight hotboxes on one
> car.
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> Don Trettel
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> *Subject:* Re: What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers
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> These pads were not limited to hopper cars.  They applied them to box
> cars, gons, you name it.  I’ve seen these triangles on the ends of tenders
> that used the pads.
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> The pads were an improvement on waste packing; waste could travel up the
> side of the journal and catch under the brass, causeing a lack of
> lubrication in that area and thus a hotbox.  The pads bridged the gap
> between “friction” journals and roller bearings, which started to come in
> about 1960.  N8w was hell on hotbox elimination; anything that stopped a
> train got into the Gross Ton Miles per Train Hour and was thus undesirable.
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> Working in Shaffers Crossing Car Department, there was a lot of pressure
> about hotboxes on eastbound coal trains; the speeds were higher and that
> increased the possibility of hotboxes.
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> BTW – I hold the record for the number of hotboxes on a four-axle freightt
> car, and it will never be broken.  Eight.  I still remember it and will
> tell anybody interested how it came about.
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> - Ed King
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> *From:* NW Mailing List
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> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 2:41 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers
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> The lettering in the triangle said, BOXES PACKED WITH PADS.
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> Stencilling was on the upper left corner of car sides, as I recall.
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> That was applied when lubricating journal pads came around.  The lettering
> was used in the 1950s and 1960s.  Once all the friction bearing cas had
> journal pads, the triangles went away.  Of course, by the 1960s, roller
> bearings were coming on the property in increasing numbers.
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> -- abram burnett
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> Puh-sizhun Sked-youled Turnips
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> Don
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> Those are indication of a special type of journal box packing, which
> varied according to type.
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> This was done in the 1950s when reducing hotboxes was a priority.
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> I’ve got more on this, just not handy
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> Ken Miller
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> On Sep 25, 2020, at 2:14 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
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> I have seen this triangular symbol on the upper left of some older
> (pre-1970?) hoppers in photos, but I have never been able to read what it
> says. I know that some hoppers had the lessor name there. And according to
> Dow’s book some hoppers had a builders name there. Does anyone know what
> this triangular symbol is? And is it available as a decal (ho) or is the
> artwork available?
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> Don Trettel
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> Photo from rr-fallenflags.org/nw/nw38161ags.jpg  Gary Stuebben photo,
> Portsmouth Oh 02-01-1986
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