NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 190, Issue 65

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Sat Sep 26 13:03:43 EDT 2020 

Is it just me or everybody on Virginia’s real heritage camera which is on 2nd St. in Roanoke Virginia next to the Virginia Museum of transportation each time I bring it up for the last two days it is blank! Is it working? Or again, is it just me?

Take care,
Ken Tanner
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>   1. Re: What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers (NW Mailing List)
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>   3. RE: What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers (NW Mailing List)
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> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 18:14:30 -0400
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> Ed,
> 
> Baggart!? You must had OK'd a car without any pads in any of the journal
> boxes.? Even though we worked on the Shaffers Crossing Shop Track 
> together in those days, don't try to shift the blame for these hot boxes 
> onto me!
> 
> Gordon Hamilton
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>> On 9/25/2020 5:08 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>> These pads were not limited to hopper cars.? They applied them to box 
>> cars, gons, you name it.? I?ve seen these triangles on the ends of 
>> tenders that used the pads.
>> The pads were an improvement on waste packing; waste could travel up 
>> the side of the journal and catch under the brass, causeing a lack of 
>> lubrication in that area and thus a hotbox.? The pads bridged the gap 
>> between ?friction? journals and roller bearings, which started to come 
>> in about 1960.? N8w was hell on hotbox elimination; anything that 
>> stopped a train got into the Gross Ton Miles per Train Hour and was 
>> thus undesirable.
>> Working in Shaffers Crossing Car Department, there was a lot of 
>> pressure about hotboxes on eastbound coal trains; the speeds were 
>> higher and that increased the possibility of hotboxes.
>> BTW ? I hold the record for the number of hotboxes on a four-axle 
>> freightt car, and it will never be broken.? Eight.? I still remember 
>> it and will tell anybody interested how it came about.
>> - Ed King
>> *From:* NW Mailing List
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 2:41 PM
>> *To:* N&W Mailing List
>> *Subject:* Re: What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers
>> The lettering in the triangle said, BOXES PACKED WITH PADS.
>> Stencilling was on the upper left corner of car sides, as I recall.
>> That was applied when lubricating journal pads came around. The 
>> lettering was used in the 1950s and 1960s.? Once all the friction 
>> bearing cas had journal pads, the triangles went away.? Of course, by 
>> the 1960s, roller bearings were coming on the property in increasing
>> numbers.
>> -- abram burnett
>> Puh-sizhun Sked-youled Turnips
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> Ed,
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> Eight? Please tell the story.
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> Sincerely,
> Joseph Congemi
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>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 17:31, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> ?
>> These pads were not limited to hopper cars.  They applied them to box cars, gons, you name it.  I?ve seen these triangles on the ends of tenders that used the pads. 
>> 
>> The pads were an improvement on waste packing; waste could travel up the side of the journal and catch under the brass, causeing a lack of lubrication in that area and thus a hotbox.  The pads bridged the gap between ?friction? journals and roller bearings, which started to come in about 1960.  N8w was hell on hotbox elimination; anything that stopped a train got into the Gross Ton Miles per Train Hour and was thus undesirable.
>> 
>> Working in Shaffers Crossing Car Department, there was a lot of pressure about hotboxes on eastbound coal trains; the speeds were higher and that increased the possibility of hotboxes.
>> 
>> BTW ? I hold the record for the number of hotboxes on a four-axle freightt car, and it will never be broken.  Eight.  I still remember it and will tell anybody interested how it came about.
>> 
>> - Ed King
>> 
>> From: NW Mailing List
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 2:41 PM
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>> Subject: Re: What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers
>> 
>> The lettering in the triangle said, BOXES PACKED WITH PADS.
>> 
>> Stencilling was on the upper left corner of car sides, as I recall.
>> 
>> That was applied when lubricating journal pads came around.  The lettering was used in the 1950s and 1960s.  Once all the friction bearing cas had journal pads, the triangles went away.  Of course, by the 1960s, roller bearings were coming on the property in increasing numbers.
>> 
>> -- abram burnett
>> Puh-sizhun Sked-youled Turnips
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> Thank you Ken, Abram and Ed for the quick and enlightening response. I have learned something today.
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> 
> Now the other part of the question, have these been included in a decal set? Since they obviously remained on some older cars into the 70s and 80s I would like to include it on a model. And I would think that those modeling an earlier timeframe would want some.
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> Ed, Of course I would be interested in how you got eight hotboxes on one car.
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> Don Trettel
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> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 2:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers
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> 
> These pads were not limited to hopper cars.  They applied them to box cars, gons, you name it.  I?ve seen these triangles on the ends of tenders that used the pads.  
> 
> 
> 
> The pads were an improvement on waste packing; waste could travel up the side of the journal and catch under the brass, causeing a lack of lubrication in that area and thus a hotbox.  The pads bridged the gap between ?friction? journals and roller bearings, which started to come in about 1960.  N8w was hell on hotbox elimination; anything that stopped a train got into the Gross Ton Miles per Train Hour and was thus undesirable.
> 
> 
> 
> Working in Shaffers Crossing Car Department, there was a lot of pressure about hotboxes on eastbound coal trains; the speeds were higher and that increased the possibility of hotboxes.
> 
> 
> 
> BTW ? I hold the record for the number of hotboxes on a four-axle freightt car, and it will never be broken.  Eight.  I still remember it and will tell anybody interested how it came about.
> 
> 
> 
> - Ed King
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> Subject: Re: What is the Triangle Symbol on Hoppers
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> The lettering in the triangle said, BOXES PACKED WITH PADS. 
> 
> 
> 
> Stencilling was on the upper left corner of car sides, as I recall. 
> 
> 
> 
> That was applied when lubricating journal pads came around.  The lettering was used in the 1950s and 1960s.  Once all the friction bearing cas had journal pads, the triangles went away.  Of course, by the 1960s, roller bearings were coming on the property in increasing numbers. 
> 
> 
> 
> -- abram burnett 
> 
> Puh-sizhun Sked-youled Turnips 
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>  _____  
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> 
> Don
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> Those are indication of a special type of journal box packing, which varied according to type.
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> This was done in the 1950s when reducing hotboxes was a priority.
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> I?ve got more on this, just not handy
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> Ken Miller
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> On Sep 25, 2020, at 2:14 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> > wrote:
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> I have seen this triangular symbol on the upper left of some older (pre-1970?) hoppers in photos, but I have never been able to read what it says. I know that some hoppers had the lessor name there. And according to Dow?s book some hoppers had a builders name there. Does anyone know what this triangular symbol is? And is it available as a decal (ho) or is the artwork available?
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> Don Trettel
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