NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 222, Issue 40

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 Gauge was changed in on June 1,1886

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Gauge Change of 1885 - Adjustments at Switches & Frogs
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  2. RE: Foreign passenger cars (NW Mailing List)


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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 21:44:33 +0000 (UTC)
From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Gauge Change of 1885 - Adjustments at Switches & Frogs
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 Obviously points and frogs would need some adjustment, depending on which rail was shifted. I don't think any historian has ever made reference to this.
Jim Nichols
    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 12:36:23 PM CST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  
 
    Amongst the Old Wise Men on this List, is there a professional track person who might be able to help with a connundrum ?  
  Did the N&W's 1885 conversion from 5' gauge to the present standard gauge require any adjustments other than the shifting of one rail inwardly?? Specifically, would any? adjustment at the frogs have been required by that change?? Would the adjustments have differed with stub switches vs pointed switches?  
  I profess almost total ignorance with respect to track geometry.? Shucks, I even struggled with the concept of underbalance in curve calculations.? My greatest professional accomplish in the realm of railroading was pushing boxcars around in the darkness.  
  Think Spring !  
  -- abram burnett  Our New Business Model : Turnip Vending Machines    
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 19:15:47 -0500
From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: RE: Foreign passenger cars
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Good to know. Thanks Jim and all. 
I will probably order  an RF&P, SCL, and SAL 10-6 Sleepers.
Stephen Rineair

From: NW Mailing List
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2023 6:59 PM
To: NW Mailing List
Subject: Re: Foreign passenger cars

In addition to what has already been suggested, the Southern heavbyweight diner likely ran on the Pelican or the Birmingham Special. For a brief time, a Seaboard 10/6 (Pullman built, corrugated) ran on 15 & 16 (New York to Williamson) in place of the regular car. It depended on what the PRR had at Sunnyside on any particular day. Mopac and C&O 10/6's also showed up this way. The C&O car was City of Kenova (later renamed).

Jim Nichols

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 05:17:21 AM CST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 


I know that The N&W ran run thru passenger cars. I was wondering if any of these cars listed ran on N&W thru trains.
OR: Where can I find out this information. I know about the Tennessean. I am just interested in the cars below.
Thanks for any help possible.
Stephen Rineair
Member #072 
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2500?????? SOU???? The CRESCENT????????????? Pull?? LW 1952? 8 car? set??????????? Train 37 / 38??? TBA
2500c????? SRR???? 29 Crescent Ltd?????????? Pull?? HW 8 car set, Two Tone Green?? set?????????????????? 
2501?????? SRR???? 51-53??????????????????? ?acf??? HW RPO, 60' cmpt?????????????? RPO?????????????????? 
2501?????? SOU???? SOUTHERN CRESCENT???????? mixed? LW 1970/79 8 car set?????????? Train 1 / 2????? TBA
2502?????? SRR???? WILLIAM MOULTRIE???????????????? HW Club Baggage??????????????? plan 3951a??????????? 
2502?????? SOU???? 1702-3??????????????????? P-S??? LW Baggage Mail??????????????? Bag-Mail???????? TBA
2503?????? SRR???? 3168???????????????????????????? HW Diner, 48 seat????????????? Diner???????????????? 
2503?????? SOU???? 711??????? ???????????????acf??? LW Baggage Dormitory?????????? Bag-Dorm???????? TBA
2504?????? SRR???? PATRICK HENRY???????????? Pull?? HW 10sec-2DR sleeoer???????????????????????????????? 
2504?????? SOU???? 815-33??????????????????? Budd?? LW? 52 seat Chair?????? ???????Chair??????????? TBA
2505?????? SRR???? WILLIAM RUFUS KING??????? Pull?? HW 8sec-1cmpt-2DR sleeper????? plan 3979a??????????? 
2505?????? SOU???? 3305-12?????????????????? Budd?? LW 44 seat Diner?????????????? Diner??????????? TBA
2506?????? SRR??? ?HENRY W.GRADY??????????????????? HW 14 section Sleeper????????? plan 3985a??????????? 
2506?????? SOU???? CRESCENT CITY???????????? P-S??? LW? B/L,+CRESCENT SHORES?????? 1-2 Buf-Lng????? TBA
2507?????? SRR???? ROBERT E. LEE???????????? Pull?? HW 3cmpt-2DR Obs?????????????? plan 3959???????????? 
2507?????? SOU???? CATAWBA RIVER???????????? P-S??? LW 10-6,also OTTER RIVER?????? 10-6 Slpr??????? TBA
2508?????? SOU???? JAMES RIVER VALLEY??????? P-S??? also PAINT ROCK? VALLEY??????? 14Rmette-4Dbbdrm TBA
2509? ?????SOU???? LUTHER CALVIN NORRIS????? P-S??? LW 5Dbbdrm-Buffet-Lnge OBS???? 5BdbbdrmBuf-Lge? TBA
2510?????? SOU???? ROYAL ARCH??????????????? shops? LW 11Dbbdrm??????????????????? 11Dbbdrm???????? TBA
2511?????? SOU???? 952?????????????????????? Budd?? LW Chair Lounge??????????????? Chair Lounge???? TBA
2512?????? SOU???? 3786-89/834-40, no 839??? acf??? LW 52 seat Chair?????????????? Chair??????????? TBA
2513?????? SOU???? 841-46??????????????????? P-S??? LW 52st Chair, w/mech a/c????? Chair??????????? TBA
2514?????? SOU???? 1602????????????????????? P-S??? LW Dome Lounge, ex Wabash????? Dome Lounge????? TBA
2600?????? SAL???? SAL 56-66 SILVER METEOR?? many?? SAL MIAMI Section-LW 7 car set????????????????? 2023
2601?????? SAL???? SAL Tampa-St Petersburg?? many?? SAL TAMPA-St Petersburg Sectio TAMPA/St Petersb 2023
2602?????? SAL???? 6051????????????????????? Budd?? LW Baggage Dormitory?????????? BD?????????????? 2023
2603?????? SAL???? 6217, 6226??????????????? Budd?? LW 52 seat Chair?????????????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2604?????? SAL???? 6232????????????????????? Budd?? LW 50 seat Chair, ex C&O?????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2605?????? SAL???? 6204????????????????????? Budd?? LW 60 seat Chair?????????????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2606?????? SAL???? 6109, 6112?? ?????????????Budd?? LW 48 seat Diner?????????????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2607?????? SAL???? HOLLYWOOD BEACH?????????? P-S??? #20, LW 5BR Buffet Lounge????? 5BRBL??????????? 2023
2608?????? SAL???? CLEARWATER??????????????? P-S??? #62 - LW 5DB-2DR-2cpmt sleeper sstnlstl???????? 2023
2609?????? SAL???? 6235-41?????????????????? Budd?? LW 52st Chair Lounge?????????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2610?????? SAL???? WINTER HAVEN????????????? Budd?? #40 - LW 10Rmt-6Db sleeper???? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2610a????? SAL???? SARASOTA????????????????? Budd?? #39 - LW 10rmt-6Db sleeper???? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2611?????? SAL???? BIRMINGHAM??????????????? P-S??? #37 - LW 10rmt-6Db sleeper???? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2611a????? SAL???? JACKSONVILLE????????????? P-S??? #37 - LW 10rmt-6Db sleeper???? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2612?????? SAL???? TALLAHASSEE?????????????? P-S??? #75 - LW 11DB sleeper????????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2613?????? SAL???? 6605????????????????????? Budd?? LW Tavern Lounge Obs?????????? SILVER METEOR??? 2023
2613c ?????SAL???? 6602????????????????????? Budd?? LW Tavern Lounge Obs?????????? SILVER COMET???? 2023
2613s????? SAL???? 6604????????????????????? Budd?? LW Tavern Lounge Obs , w/narro SILVER STAR????? 2023
2614?????? SAL???? STONE MOUNTAIN??????????? acf??? 6 Bedroom Buffet Lounge??????? 6bdBL??????????? 2023
2615?????? SAL???? SILVER STAR????????????????????? complete 7 car set????????????????????????????? 2023
2617?????? SAL???? # 55 CEDARTOWN??????????? PULL?? LW 4sec-4Rmt-5DB-1Cmpt w/41-ND sleeper??????? ??2023
2703?????? SAL???? RF&P 852????????????????? Budd?? LW 52 seat Chair?????????????? 52C????????????? 2023
2703a????? SAL???? RF&P 854????????????????? Budd?? RF&P LW 52 seat Chair????????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2704?????? SAL???? RF&P 861-862??????? ??????P-S??? RF&P LW 52st Chair Smoker????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2705?????? SCL???? RF&P LANCASTER??????????? P-S??? LW 10rmt-6DB sleeper?????????? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2751?????? WRA???? 87??????????????????????? P-S??? WesternRRofAlabama LW Bag Mail Bag Mail???????? TBA
2752?????? WRA???? 106?????????????????????? Budd?? 52 seat Chair????????????????? Chair??????????? TBA
2753?????? A&WP??? 68-69???????????????????? Budd?? Atlanta & West Point 52stChair Chair??????????? TBA
2800?????? SCL???? SCL 67-71 SILVER METEOR?? many?? SCL LW 7 car set NY to Miami?? NY to Miami????? TBA
2800.1???? SCL???? SCL-SILVER METEOR???????? many?? SCL LW? car add on set???????? NY to Miami????? TBA
2801?????? SCL???? TALLADEGA???????????????? P-S??? LW 36st Diner???????????? ?????sstnlstl???????? TBA
2802?????? SCL???? 5210????????????????????? Budd?? LW 52 seat Chair?????????????? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2803?????? SCL???? 5464????????????????????? P-S??? LW 54 seat Chair?????????????? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2805?????? SCL???? 5808????????????????????? Budd?? LW 60 seat Chair?????????????? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2806?????? SCL???? 5909????????????????????? Budd?? LW 48 seat Diner?????????????? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2807?????? SCL???? SUN VIEW????????????????? P-S??? # 6502 - LW 5Br-Buf-Lng??????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2808?????? SAL???? BOCA GRANDE?????????????? P-S??? #60 - LW 5Dbrm-2Dr-2cmpt?????? sstnlstl???????? 2023
2809?????? SCL???? 5102????????????????????? Budd?? LW Chair Lounge, ex C&O 1950?? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2810?????? SCL???? WEST PALM BEACH?????????? Budd?? #42 - LW 10rmt-6Dbrm sleeper?? sstnlstl????????????? 
2811?????? SCL???? CHARLOTTE???????????????? P-S??? #35 - LW 10Rmt-6Db sleeper???? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2812?????? SCL???? SEBRING?????????????????? P-S??? #73 - LW 11Dbrm sleeper??????? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2813?????? SCL???? 5841????????????????????? Budd?? LW Tavern Lounge Obs?????????? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2813.1???? SCL???? 5843????????????????????? Budd?? LW Tavern Lounge Obs, mid trai sstnlstl???????? TBA
2814?????? SCL???? BOBOLINK????????????????? Budd?? LW 16-4 Duplex sleeper???????? sstnlstl???????? TBA
2815?????? SCL???? 253?????????????????????? BUDD?? LW Tavern Lounge Obs, w/41-R t ?Square End????? 2023
2816?????? SCL???? MIAMI BEACH?????????????? acf??? LW 6BR Buffet Lounge, de-skirt w/ 41-N-11 truck 2023
2901?????? L&N???? 1120-21?????????????????? P-S??? LW Baggage Mail??????????????? Bag Mail???????? TBA
2902?????? L&N???? 1598-99?????????????????? acf??? LW Baggage Dormitory?????????? Bag Dorm??? ?????TBA
2903?????? L&N???? 3250-52?????????????????? Budd?? LW 52 seat Chair?????????????? Chair??????????? TBA
2904?????? L&N???? 2760????????????????????? Budd?? LW 44 seat Diner?????????????? Diner??????????? TBA
2905?????? L&N???? MOBILE RIVER??????? ??????P-S??? LW 10-6 Slper, w/scarlett lett 10-6 slpr??????? TBA
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