Y6b #2177 (was 1950?s Pokey Farm question #2)

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 British steam locos did have self-cleaning smokeboxes, all the BR Standards built in the 1950s had them, as did the later LMS locos. 
In preservation such items are not usually installed as there is a need to examine the front tubeplate when lighting up and the self-cleaning gear would obscure the view of the tubeplate.
Peter Gibbs73082 Camelot Locomotive Society

    On Wednesday, 6 December 2023 at 22:15:13 GMT, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  
 
 British locomotives didn't have self cleaning smokeboxes so cinders had to be shoveled out. Cleaner for the neighbors but more work for the railroad.John Rhodes 
On Wed, Dec 6, 2023, 4:10 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Chris,The smokebox is not open to "mud and grime", so, you can rule those two out. However, cinders could collect inside.
One thing that I have found very interesting is, if you look at British steam photos, there are many showing men scooping out shovels full of cinders from the smokebox. I don't think that I have seen any, or very few, photos of that happening here in the U.S. 
Then there is the question of why in the wide wide world of sports was it placed under the smokebox front to begin with? The Class A's never had their SA FWH there and that was 10+ years before any Y6b!
I think ease of maintenance is a better reason for the move.
Jimmy Lisle


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-------- Original message --------From: NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> Date: 12/6/23 10:24 AM (GMT-05:00) To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> Cc: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> Subject: Re: Y6b #2177 (was 1950?s Pokey Farm question #2) 
Abram,
If I recall correctly, prior to the redesign the “chin” of the smokebox face was open at the bottom which allowed grime and mud to accumulate inside the smokebox.  The new design included a plate on the “chin” opening to keep out mud and grime.  This kept the inside of the smokebox cleaner and eased maintenance efforts.  If I remember correctly, Bud Jefferies filled me on this years ago in a discussion about the oddities of the 2177.  
Cheers,
Chris Dalton
Bluefield, WV
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> Has anyone figured out why it was necessary to relocate the pump in the first place ?
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> -- abram burnett
> County Turnip Inspector
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