"old" tuscan red

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I thought I remember a discussion years ago where it was discovered that N&W used silver leaf for the lettering on passenger cars and that the leaf was sealed with a yellowish shellac which made it look like gold.  Or I may be more senile than I thought. 

Mark Lindsey
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> On Feb 28, 2024, at 11:55 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> 
> Larry,
> That looks like a damn-good match to me.
> Thanks for sharing,
> Jim Cochran
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 8:01 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> Here's my color match to a Tuscan drift card if this helps anyone 
>> 
>> 
>> Larry Evans
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NW-Mailing-List [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 8:58 AM
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>> Subject: Re: "old" tuscan red
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> That page needs some updating, I started writing something up last year, but never finished it. I have no idea where Jim got his dates, but I also doubt that he studied this stuff as much as I have, he had way more to do than that. There has also been some other materials surface since that page was written.
>> 
>> Paint and lettering, as Larry Evans pointed out recently is one of my hot-buttons!
>> 
>> “Old Red” is N&W Tuscan No. 4, the last paint drift card we have is dated 1950. We do not have a drift card for the tuscan metallic, for additional information, we also do not have a drift card for No. 23 Blue, which is the Pevler Blue.
>> 
>> However, thanks to Charlie Schlotthober, who saved what had survived of the paint record card for passenger cars, of which I showed one in an Arrow article two years ago in issue 38-1.
>> 
>> The record is far from complete on the paint usage, but the cards we do have, which are crumbling to dust, as they are probably at least 100 years old. The records are only as complete as people recorded the information, so there are loads of holes of data.
>> 
>> Here is some of the notes I made:
>> 
>> Car 1720, in shop 01/12/57, out of shop 02/1/57, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1721, no record exists Car 1722, in shop 11/12/56, out of shop 12/17/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1723, in shop 01/9/57, out of shop 02/19/57, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan
>> 
>> Car 1729, in shop 01/30/56, out of shop 02/15/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1734, in shop 01/30/56, out of shop 02/09/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan
>> 
>> 1729 and 1734 was the earliest date for Metallic Tuscan in January 1956.
>> 
>> Now, the color can drastically appear different with the addition of metal flake, it might be the same color, but have a far different appearance to the eye. The Tuscan Red used on the passenger GP9s appears to be a much different color to me, with a bronze look, which might come from using a bronze metal flake rather than a silver metal flake.
>> 
>> Metal flake paint technology, and paint in general from the era was still in its infancy, and required more and better care than automotive paint of today.
>> 
>> Best
>> Ken Miller
>> 
>> > On Feb 27, 2024, at 1:08 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> > From our modelers corner, Jim Gillum:
>> > "Old Red" was used until around 1958. This had a much higher red content than the present red AND included a metallic particle suspended in the paint.
>> > In Googling metal flake paint history, it appears that this type of paint didn't become common on automobiles until the 1960's. My question is, if "old tuscan red" did contain metal flake and was used prior to 1958 as Jim G. states, how long prior to 1958 was it used, and what was used prior to that (old, old Tuscan red)?
>> > 
>> > Any and all thoughts/information appreciated,
>> > 
>> > Jim Cochran
>> > 
>> > 
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