"old" tuscan red

Wed Apr 3 16:03:08 EDT 2024

I got my color drift card for the N&W cars from the Pullman library years ago. Couldn’t get anymore accurate that that.

Stephen Rineair

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Just remember that the color you get made, when sprayed on a model, will very likely not match what your eyes expect to see.  Your display/layout room lights probably don't match sunlight lighting very well.  Paint fades. It's very common to hear it stated that passenger cars are generally all different shades of red/maroon. Red oxidizes quickly, and it displays in light and shadow very differently. This car is a great example. It doesn't matter if it is the "right" or "wrong" color of maroon. It's useful to see the difference between the color under the awning on the back of the car compared to the color on the side of the car. I averaged a large section of the car side, and the car back, to get the color sample at bottom.

My personal model preference leans more toward the lighter color on the right side. If you get the exact paint formula, I bet you end up with something closer to the left. Both are "accurate"... under different lighting conditions.

Mike Rector

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Andre 

Simply go to your Automotive  DuPont paint dealer and have a pint or quart mixed .  Other dealers can cross reference a lot of the codes that being said 
The days of paint codes are fastly disappearing with all the paint types and systems and company’s changing hands . I did this 10 years ago and had a QT mixed
And have never used it.  I have somewhere but can’t  find it this morning . DuPont formal for mixing it . Which most dealers will give you a copy of .  DuPont has a color library  
or  use to for registered  users .  

Larry Evans

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Hi Larry et al,
Thanks for sharing the drift card match for the oft-discussed N&W Red paint.
How can one search for this paint match’s availability? My Googling using the info on the DuPont card yielded no results?
Please advise. Thanks

Andre Jackson
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On Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 8:01 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
Here's my color match to a Tuscan drift card if this helps anyone 

Larry Evans

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Jim

That page needs some updating, I started writing something up last year, but never finished it. I have no idea where Jim got his dates, but I also doubt that he studied this stuff as much as I have, he had way more to do than that. There has also been some other materials surface since that page was written.

Paint and lettering, as Larry Evans pointed out recently is one of my hot-buttons!

“Old Red” is N&W Tuscan No. 4, the last paint drift card we have is dated 1950. We do not have a drift card for the tuscan metallic, for additional information, we also do not have a drift card for No. 23 Blue, which is the Pevler Blue.

However, thanks to Charlie Schlotthober, who saved what had survived of the paint record card for passenger cars, of which I showed one in an Arrow article two years ago in issue 38-1.

The record is far from complete on the paint usage, but the cards we do have, which are crumbling to dust, as they are probably at least 100 years old. The records are only as complete as people recorded the information, so there are loads of holes of data.

Here is some of the notes I made:

Car 1720, in shop 01/12/57, out of shop 02/1/57, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1721, no record exists Car 1722, in shop 11/12/56, out of shop 12/17/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1723, in shop 01/9/57, out of shop 02/19/57, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan

Car 1729, in shop 01/30/56, out of shop 02/15/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1734, in shop 01/30/56, out of shop 02/09/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan

1729 and 1734 was the earliest date for Metallic Tuscan in January 1956.

Now, the color can drastically appear different with the addition of metal flake, it might be the same color, but have a far different appearance to the eye. The Tuscan Red used on the passenger GP9s appears to be a much different color to me, with a bronze look, which might come from using a bronze metal flake rather than a silver metal flake.

Metal flake paint technology, and paint in general from the era was still in its infancy, and required more and better care than automotive paint of today.

Best
Ken Miller

> On Feb 27, 2024, at 1:08 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> From our modelers corner, Jim Gillum:
> "Old Red" was used until around 1958. This had a much higher red content than the present red AND included a metallic particle suspended in the paint.
> In Googling metal flake paint history, it appears that this type of paint didn't become common on automobiles until the 1960's. My question is, if "old tuscan red" did contain metal flake and was used prior to 1958 as Jim G. states, how long prior to 1958 was it used, and what was used prior to that (old, old Tuscan red)?
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> Any and all thoughts/information appreciated,
> 
> Jim Cochran
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