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Did the Virginian bring coal trains into Balt.?

Carl Barna
Emmaus, PA
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Harry, that is really excellent information. I don't know where else we might have it, but it seems new to a lot of us. By any chance, do you happen to know if the Virginian and the C&O also stacked up an inventory of coalon the East Coast "on spec"? Thanks.

Frank Bongiovanni


On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 1:04 PM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
Abe- Until several decades ago, coal mines were allowed to ship coal to Lamberts Point that had never been sold.  After arrival, the cars had 10 demurrage-free days and hopefully the coal agents could find a sale for the class of coal and have it dumped before the charge set in.  Seems that around 1970, there was a downturn in the economy and mines cranked up production to fill ships looking for loads.  Unsold coal sky-rocketed and had to be stored at Sewells Point and middle tracks.  It wasn't unusual to see several coal trains waiting for a space to yard waiting at Juniper in the Dismal Swamp.  Then, N&W decided to discontinue the 10 demurrage-free days.  To start with, the initial charge for the first few days was only $2.20/day, and by increasing the availability of hoppers, N&W did NOT have to construct more.  Harry Bundy
On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 06:46:57 AM EDT, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:


Why no trains or cars stored at South Roanoke ...?

If the yard is placed out-of-service, they eliminate the cost of track and switch inspections. As I recall, Main Tracks have to be patrolled twice a week, and yard switches have to be inspected once a month. And the Signal Department also has to do switch obstruction tests and inspection of IJ's (insulated joints) and fouling wires on any switches in signaled territory, monthly, as I seem to recall. (Usually the Signal Maintainer and the Track Patrol will agree to meet and do both the M/W switch inspection and the Signal Department tests at the same time.) In any case, it is all time, and time equates to money. I have now been away from this craziness for a blessed 14 years, so don't take the above numbers to the bank without double-checking them.

What I want to know is: Where is the NS hiding all the thousands upon thousands of hoppers which used to be kept busy running up and down the main line, making money? Are they all jammed in derelict, forgotten places like the Bluestone Branch? Decades ago, when business grew slack, the yards filled up with un-needed equipment. But they are not stuffing it in the yards any more. Just look at the satellite images of Roanoke, Mullens, Bluefield &c. Those places are, as my father would ahve said, "As clean as a chicken bone after the Methodist preacher came for dinner ! "

Are they dumping ANY coal at Lambert's Point, any more ?

Wonder how long it will be before the accountants figure out they can "enhance shareholder value" by selling the Lamberts Point acreage for the development of a shopping mall, or condo's ?  Or put a large Electric Vehicle Re-Charging station there... HA.  I bet the Navy would be happy to get it.

-- abram burnett
Cynical Turnips
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