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David Baker has graciously invited us all to a tour of his fabulous layout
via Zoom.  I will set up a Zoom session for Sunday evening, September 21st
at 8:00 p.m. to facilitate this event and send it out a little closer to
time  Please plan to attend as I think you will enjoy seeing what David has
done and his methods and techniques for doing some really beautiful work.

Jim Cochran
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Subject: Hopper Paint Schemes in the 1970s
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I grew up in the 80s, so I didn't get to witness 1970s era N&W
firsthand, but it's probably my favorite N&W era for diesels. While
there are a variety of sources to help identify what classes of hopper
cars were in service, I'm curious about the mix of paint schemes.
Looking through "Norfolk And Western In Color Volume 3", it looks like
the 1960s era half-moon/hamburger schemes, albeit with consolidated
lube plates and other updated data, were actually more common than
cars in the NW scheme that would have been the current scheme at the
time. 
Can anyone else confirm this, or know of other sources I should look
at?
ThanksMarty Flick
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2025 22:03:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Hopper Paint Schemes in the 1970s
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 I have no clue as to which hopper paint scheme was most prevalent during any given era, but that won't stop me from commenting.? Ha Ha.? I would suggest that certain paint schemes are more prevalent in the photographic record due to selection bias.? ?Personally, I never liked the NW "stick lettering" scheme, therefore, I rarely photographed equipment painted in that scheme, after all, film is expensive and I wasn't about to waste it on something I didn't like.? The same can be said for book publishers.? They print the pictures they like best and leave out the rest.? An absence of stick lettered equipment could simply be due to the selection bias of the photographers, authors, and editors, not any particular absence of any specific equipment.??
Also, equipment would be painted in any particular scheme if it was 1) new, or 2) just receiving a major rebuild.? Existing equipment, with the possible exception of motor power, just was not repainted until it was absolutely necessary to do so.? ?
Jerry Kay, Jarratt, Virginia
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 I grew up in the 80s, so I didn't get to witness 1970s era N&W firsthand, but it's probably my favorite N&W era for diesels.? While there are a variety of sources to help identify what classes of hopper cars were in service, I'm curious about the mix of paint schemes.? Looking through "Norfolk And Western In Color Volume 3", it looks like the 1960s era half-moon/hamburger schemes, albeit with consolidated lube plates and other updated data, were actually more common than cars in the NW scheme that would have been the current scheme at the time.??
Can anyone else confirm this, or know of other sources I should look at?
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There are a few prominent places I'd look to help answer your questions on lettering for NW hoppers in the 70's. First, is Andrew Dow's N&W Coal Car book, if you can find a copy. (Personally, would love to see the NWHS get with Andrew and increase the content post writing to include the balance of the TopGon rebody program, and additional info on coal cars purchased up to the CR merger.)

Second, Ed Painter and Drayton Blackgrove of 'Delay in Block' Productions and of ScaleTrains has a series of Ed's railfan videos from across the Pokey in the 70's and 80's that are available on YT. A couple of other videos that come to mind at "Welch, by N&W", I forget the company name, and Pentrex's "Along the Pocahontas District". Both are set in the late 80's and early 90's, but you will get a feel of how the car fleet looked at those times.

Hope this helps.

Russ Goodwin
Oakwood, GA

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I grew up in the 80s, so I didn't get to witness 1970s era N&W firsthand, but it's probably my favorite N&W era for diesels.  While there are a variety of sources to help identify what classes of hopper cars were in service, I'm curious about the mix of paint schemes.  Looking through "Norfolk And Western In Color Volume 3", it looks like the 1960s era half-moon/hamburger schemes, albeit with consolidated lube plates and other updated data, were actually more common than cars in the NW scheme that would have been the current scheme at the time.

Can anyone else confirm this, or know of other sources I should look at?

Thanks
Marty Flick
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