VGN Trains 3 & 4 on the New River Division

Tue Sep 30 14:23:54 EDT 2025

Thanks Abram.  I'll be able to chime in occasionally but my knowledge of the N&W and VGN is limited.

Our grandfather was raised at Deepwater and along Loup Creek.  He worked for the C&O as a clerk and signal helper, then braked on the Virginian for nine months just before he hired on the K&M at Dickinson in 1916.  Later, he and Dad and other relatives worked many trips between Dickinson and Elmore on NYC-crewed time freights.

Dad's only direct experience with the old pre-merger N&W was riding a troop train from Great Lakes via Cincinnati and to NOB in Norfolk to join his ship before heading to the Pacific.

I appreciate the image links and am looking forward to checking them out.

Thanks again,
Dwayne Bartley

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 11:39:28 +0000 (UTC)
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Jim
No idea of what was located but both Mullins and Itally were official stations in the 1929 Open & Prepay Station list.
The one that I have wondered about is West End Tower at Bluefield, WV.? ?Was there some type of office at the end of the yard controlling trains entering or leaving the yard on the Flat top Div?? Some of the valuations indicate a small single story building but nothing to indicate any control of traffic.

| 3181 |
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 | Bluefield Yard | WV |
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 | 1.3 | West End Tower | WV |
| 3182 | 2890 | 2890 | 3.3 | Bluefield (formerly shown as Graham 1885, 1910, 1916 tt) | VA |
| 3183 |
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 | 3.5 | Clinch Valley Dst. Jct. | VA |
|
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 | 4.87 | Hale | VA |
| 3190 |
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 | 5 | Mullins or Mullin | VA |
| 3195 | 3445 |
 | 6 | Italy | VA |

Jim Blacksock
   On Monday, September 29, 2025 at 06:29:01 AM EDT, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

 From a 1917 copy of N&W Officers, Agents and Stations, heading West out of Bluefield there is shown a couple of listing with which I am not familiar.? Namely at MP 368 "Mullins" and at MP 369 Italy.? Does anyone have any information on these places?
Also, did the N&W maintain an agent at mines and other large shippers?
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Jim,
What is covered in the Open & Prepay Station list?  Do these terms refer to
methods of shipment?  Is the list available in E format?
Thanks,
Jim Cochran

On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 8:24?AM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <
nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> Jim
>
> No idea of what was located but both Mullins and Itally were official
> stations in the 1929 Open & Prepay Station list.
>
> The one that I have wondered about is West End Tower at Bluefield, WV.
>  Was there some type of office at the end of the yard controlling trains
> entering or leaving the yard on the Flat top Div?  Some of the valuations
> indicate a small single story building but nothing to indicate any control
> of traffic.
>
> 3181
>
>
> Bluefield Yard WV
>
>
>
> 1.3 West End Tower WV
> 3182 2890 2890 3.3 Bluefield (formerly shown as Graham 1885, 1910, 1916
> tt) VA
> 3183
>
> 3.5 Clinch Valley Dst. Jct. VA
>
>
>
> 4.87 Hale VA
> 3190
>
> 5 Mullins or Mullin VA
> 3195 3445
> 6 Italy VA
>
> Jim Blacksock
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2025 at 06:29:01 AM EDT, NW Mailing List <
> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
> From a 1917 copy of N&W Officers, Agents and Stations, heading West out of
> Bluefield there is shown a couple of listing with which I am not familiar.
> Namely at MP 368 "Mullins" and at MP 369 Italy.  Does anyone have any
> information on these places?
>
> Also, did the N&W maintain an agent at mines and other large shippers?
>
> Jim Cochran
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My sincere thanks to Mr. Dwayne Bartley, self-confessed first-time poster
to the N&W List, and to Mr. Ken Miller, Chief Petty Officer (Starboard
Side) of the Salem Grays and Patron Saint of Diuguids' Crossing, for their
generous answers to my benighted and fumbling questions about VGN passenger
service on the New River Division.

I genuinely appreciate the time you invested in helping me out.  Thanks to
you both, I now have a pretty good feel for how these trains were handled.

And to Mr. Bartley... Please come back and contribute again !  As a
recompense for your kindness, here is a link to my Google Drive folder
holding all the Virginian RR images found in the John W. Barriger & Sons
Collection at the St Louis Mercantile Library.  Everything has been edited
in Photoshop.  Unfortunately, Mr. Barriger only left us undated negatives,
so you may have some guesswork to do.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uRoj7aDI3mKnaXqAVFTOtXEX3qlndQUZ?usp=sharing

Longo Vita ad Virginianus ! Long Live the Virginian !

-- abram burnett
Watch for Our October Scuff-and-Dent Turnip Clearance Sale
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J Im? C
This is the list of stations on file with the icc for all points where railroad service is available.? It contains any restriction for listed stations.? The stations are listed by states and railroads. I call them legal stations.? No other station station list are not illegal.
Other? publications such as time tables and station list are for use by the various departments.??
Neither type of list has nothing to do with station buildings.
Jim Blackstock
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