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<DIV>Did the1936 Floods include the New RIver area also?</DIV>
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<DIV>John Carnahan</DIV>
<DIV>Columbus</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 5/23/2009 11:02:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org writes:</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Frank
and all:<BR><BR>You are so right gary about melting snow and heavy rains for
the March<BR>floods. I know the Potomac River basin inundated with that one
from<BR>further upstream than Harpers Ferry for the oldest remaining
B&O<BR>Bollman Bridge there which was used for auto traffic only by then
was<BR>washed away. Weverton, Knoxville and Brunswick yard were inundated
as<BR>was everything else downriver, including DC which experienced one
of<BR>its worst floods ever. There are still marks on buildings under
the<BR>Whitehurst Fwy which show how high the water was there. Other
bad<BR>Potomac R floods were in 1889 (Johnstown origination but the
weather<BR>system was over the east and nailed Harpers Ferry-DC badly and put
the<BR>C&O Canal out of biz for 2.5 years), March 1924 (this flood put
the<BR>C&O Canal out of biz permanently), 1942 and others which escape
me.<BR><BR>I have read about a particularly bad one in September-October 1870
on<BR>the Shenandoah River but that was some 10 years before the SV RR
was<BR>getting built. Another bad one was in late September 1896 along
the<BR>N&W Shenandoah Division and the Shenandoah Valley as
well.<BR><BR>The 1870 one came after a terrible drought for at least that
previous<BR>summer and then came torrential rainstorms which washed away much.
I<BR>have read this one was confined to the Shenandoah region and
it<BR>inundated Harpers Ferry only from the Shenandoah River side
(remember<BR>that the Shenandoah River flows from south to north) and the
Potomac<BR>side was not where the damage was located. Of course downriver on
the<BR>Potomac, who knows?<BR><BR>Reading about floods of either the Potomac
or Shenandoah rivers can<BR>help shed some light on why operations on various
RR's had to have<BR>drastically alter operations. You then fill in the blanks
from the<BR>river data. Shepherdstown is another place about where much
data<BR>exists concerning high water as they have been particularly prone
to<BR>it over the years.<BR><BR>Some RR's have been prone to another problem,
seldom seen anymore; ice<BR>jams on rivers. Port Deposit, MD was particularly
victimized when the<BR>Susquehanna had a sudden melt and thick ice came
flowing downriver<BR>only to get blocked as the river narrowed into the
Chesapeake. Then,<BR>with little warning came the ice jams and it had no mercy
on any<BR>structure in its path. That was another, albeit smaller reason for
the<BR>dams on the Susquehanna but the Susquehanna wasn't unique. The
Potomac<BR>even had them occasionally, the last in 1919 or 1922 i think.
Around<BR>1977, DC official-dom was concerned enough that it was about to
happen<BR>again and as the ice built up above Georgetown, they posititioned
a<BR>large crane and ram on Key Bridge above the channel, which
was<BR>partially blocked, and they kept poking thru it with a ram for
several<BR>days to keep it from totally blocking the river at that point.
I<BR>remember it making the news and I drove out to see this
"action",<BR>however we have diverged from the main topic.<BR><BR>I do wonder
though, if in written memory, there have been any ice jams<BR>on the
Shenandoah River which have affected the N&W SV Division?<BR><BR>Bob
Cohen<BR><BR>On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:58 PM,
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Message: 1<BR>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:17:28 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> From:
NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Subject: X and RX
telegrams<BR>> To: Morse TelegraphClub
<slowspeedwire@yahoogroups.com><BR>> Message-ID:
<798926.76939.qm@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR>><BR>><BR>> May 22,
2009<BR>><BR>> Hello, all:<BR>><BR>> A 1929 memorandum describes
to types of high-priority, time-sensitive message traffic: x, and
rx.<BR>><BR>>
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/x-rx-msg.pdf<BR>><BR>> I'm
used to seeing Day Letter (DL) and Night Letter (NL) designations. Were
these additional classes in existence for many years afterwards? Does
anyone recall other special categories of Western Union
messages?<BR>><BR>> Good afternoon,<BR>><BR>> Frank Scheer<BR>>
f_scheer@yahoo.com<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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22 May 2009 11:20:29 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> From: NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Subject: 1936 floods<BR>> To:
N&W Historical Society <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>>
Message-ID: <77903.43363.qm@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BR>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR>><BR>><BR>> May 22,
2009<BR>><BR>> Good afternoon, all:<BR>><BR>> Three Railway
Express Agency delayed service and embargo notices appear at
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/flood'36.pdf It appears
that the flood damage was extensive over a very large geographic area during
mid-March 1936. This is too early for hurricane season. It is also
too late for a fast thaw of accumulated snow. Does anyone have
information why the N&W Shenandoah Division as far north as White Post was
affected?<BR>><BR>> Thank you,<BR>><BR>>
Frank<BR>><BR>><BR>> ------------------------------<BR>><BR>>
Message: 3<BR>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> From:
NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Subject: REA
advertising sign<BR>> To: N&W Historical Society
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Message-ID:
<994812.21781.qm@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR>><BR>><BR>> May 22,
2009<BR>><BR>> Railway Express Agency issued a small lithographed sign,
similar to this:<BR>><BR>>
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/ship-rea.jpg<BR>><BR>> I
say "similar" because what is shown is a recent reproduction. These are
easily identified because there was no identifying railroad markings on the
locomotive tender. Repros have a railroad name, such as "Monon," as
shown.<BR>><BR>> Anyway, I have learned that these signs were issued
during March 1930. See:<BR>><BR>>
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/ship_rea.pdf<BR>><BR>>
Best wishes,<BR>><BR>> Frank Scheer<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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22 May 2009 15:03:58 -0400<BR>> From: NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Subject: Re: "Taking Twenty" with the
Virginian Brethren<BR>> To: "NW Mailing List"
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Message-ID:
<9F700BD6F75A49B585CD25A032143A42@DellDesktop><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Greg's description of the use of
dampened cotton waste by VGN crews to breathe through in tunnels reminds me
what my grandmother told me about a similar practice by the engine crews on
the N&W (my grandfather was an engineer on the Pokey). She said that
the crews would keep a bucket on the engine deck with water and burlap sacks
in the bucket, and they would wrap the sacks around their heads except for
their noses, and sometimes their noses would get blistered. The old,
tight Elkhorn tunnel, aka Coaldale tunnel, was probably the prime culprit it
this ordeal pre-electrification when an engine crew might be on the second
engine where they suffered from the heat thrown off by both engines as they
went upgrade through the tunnel.<BR>><BR>> Gordon Hamilton<BR>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: NW Mailing List<BR>>
To: nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org<BR>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009
10:21 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian
Brethren<BR>><BR>><BR>> In a message dated 5/22/2009 6:59:25 AM
Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org
writes:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Jimmy,<BR>><BR>>
You "ain't" gettin' my waste .. just because a bunch of ladies
thought it was useless!<BR>><BR>> We railroaders know
better. That's why we save "everything"!<BR>><BR>>
Jeff<BR>><BR>><BR>>
==============================================<BR>> Grandad
(VGN engineer W.R. Bloyd) kept a bunch of cotton waste in the garage in
Victoria and used it for things like cleaning shotgun bores, fishing reels and
cleaning stubborn bug juice and other stains off the car and other metal and
wood surfaces around the place.<BR>> Grandad said that VGN steam
locomotive crews on the west end had used water-dampened waste to breathe
through when going through tunnels.<BR>><BR>> Greg Harrod<BR>>
Fredericksburg, Va.<BR>><BR>><BR>> **************<BR>>
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22 May 2009 16:29:26 -0400<BR>> From: NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Subject: RE: 1936 floods<BR>> To:
"'NW Mailing List'" <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Message-ID:
<882C0B6031D148C88A05520A73EC96B8@071927350f><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR>><BR>> Frank:
Heavy rainfall and melting snow. See the 1936 PRR book
covering<BR>> the flood in the mid to eastern Pennsylvania state that
greatly affected<BR>> much of its territory.<BR>><BR>> Gary
Rolih<BR>> Cincinnati<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org<BR>>
[mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List<BR>>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:20 PM<BR>> To: N&W Historical
Society<BR>> Subject: 1936 floods<BR>><BR>><BR>> May 22,
2009<BR>><BR>> Good afternoon, all:<BR>><BR>> Three Railway
Express Agency delayed service and embargo notices appear at<BR>>
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/flood'36.pdf It appears
that<BR>> the flood damage was extensive over a very large geographic area
during<BR>> mid-March 1936. This is too early for hurricane season.
It is also too<BR>> late for a fast thaw of accumulated snow.
Does anyone have information why<BR>> the N&W Shenandoah Division
as far north as White Post was affected?<BR>><BR>> Thank
you,<BR>><BR>> Frank<BR>>
________________________________________<BR>>
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22 May 2009 18:16:42 EDT<BR>> From: NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Subject: Re: "Taking Twenty" with the
Virginian Brethren<BR>> To: nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org<BR>> Message-ID:
<d2f.4314dc77.37487e4a@aol.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"<BR>><BR>> I took a break from mowing grass, and
decided to google "cotton thread<BR>> waste" and came up with a number of
sources, nearly all of them in China or<BR>> India, and only one website
that had a decent photo of the stuff. Here's the<BR>> link:<BR>><BR>>
http://sonasales.tradeindia.com/Exporters_Suppliers/Exporter16391.249404/Cot<BR>>
ton-Wastes.html<BR>><BR>> Greg
Harrod<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
In a message dated 5/22/2009 4:05:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,<BR>>
nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org writes:<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Greg's
description of the use of dampened cotton waste by VGN crews to<BR>>>
breathe through in tunnels reminds me what my grandmother told me about
a<BR>>> similar practice by the engine crews on the N&W (my
grandfather was an<BR>>> engineer on the Pokey). She said that the
crews would keep a bucket on the engine<BR>>> deck with water and burlap
sacks in the bucket, and they would wrap the<BR>>> sacks around their
heads except for their noses, and sometimes their noses<BR>>> would get
blistered. The old, tight Elkhorn tunnel, aka Coaldale tunnel,
was<BR>>> probably the prime culprit it this ordeal pre-electrification
when an<BR>>> engine crew might be on the second engine where they
suffered from the heat<BR>>> thrown off by both engines as they went
upgrade through the tunnel.<BR>>><BR>>> Gordon
Hamilton<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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22 May 2009 19:14:24 -0400<BR>> From: NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Subject: Re: 1936 floods<BR>> To:
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The 1936 flooding was widespread and record setting. In Johnstown PA,<BR>>
famous for the 1889 flood,<BR>> flood markers in 1936 were just a little
lower. Downtown Pittsburgh had<BR>> water in the streets; I remember a
flood marker on the wall behind the<BR>> registration desk of one of the
major hotels. I think the P&LE book has<BR>> an aerial photo. And a
barn southwest of Parkersburg WV has a marker;<BR>> we were there in '75
and the Ohio River seemed far, far below the site.<BR>> Not sure if Harpers
Ferry was hit in 1936; the topography makes it a<BR>> likely flood site,
though.<BR>><BR>> Jerome Crosson<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> To: 'NW Mailing List'
<nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><BR>> Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 4:29
pm<BR>> Subject: RE: 1936 floods<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Frank:
Heavy rainfall and melting snow. See the 1936 PRR book covering<BR>> the
flood in the mid to eastern Pennsylvania state that greatly affected<BR>>
much of its territory.<BR>><BR>> Gary Rolih<BR>>
Cincinnati<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>
From: nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org<BR>>
[mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List<BR>>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:20 PM<BR>> To: N&W Historical
Society<BR>> Subject: 1936 floods<BR>><BR>><BR>> May 22,
2009<BR>><BR>> Good afternoon, all:<BR>><BR>> Three Railway
Express Agency delayed service and embargo notices appear<BR>> at<BR>>
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/flood'36.pdf It appears<BR>>
that<BR>> the flood damage was extensive over a very large geographic area
during<BR>> mid-March 1936. This is too early for hurricane season. It is
also too<BR>> late for a fast thaw of accumulated snow. Does anyone have
information<BR>> why<BR>> the N&W Shenandoah Division as far north
as White Post was affected?<BR>><BR>> Thank you,<BR>><BR>>
Frank<BR>> ________________________________________<BR>>
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