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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Larry; The article from Charlie
Schlotthober from about two years ago covering the use of aluminum paint on
passenger locomotives and the eventual standardization of the tender side
lettering in 1941 in imitation gold paint has internal memos from N&W
officials that refer to the use of gold paint on the 1900’s freight
locomotives and not gold leaf. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>One would also have to think that the time
to paint lettering in gold paint would be much less than applying gold leaf and
adhesive to the locomotive cab side. Paint as a technology didn’t
really develop until the early 1900’s and started in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> as a section
of their developing chemical technology and chemical business. Gold leaf
was probably the way to go in the 1800’s comparing the results to 1880
paint. But, by the early 1900’s, wouldn’t paint be likely and
lower cost in material and application time? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thinking this way, when might the change
over from gold leaf to gold paint have occurred?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b><span
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 10, 2009
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NW
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Lettering color on
early steam</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> " <font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>This was not used on locomotives" </span></font></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>What do you base this statement on? I do not have
any first hand knowledge about Locomotive lettering with gold leaf.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>But I do know for fact the N&W and C&O used real
gold leaf in passenger applications. And would think it would</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>be in the realm of possibility that in the day they may have
use it on passenger locomotives as the drawing suggest.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: Lettering
color on early steam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Strictly speaking <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>gold leaf</span></b> is gold beaten extensively
between two sheets of leather so that it forms an extremely thin sheet, about
0.001” thick and thinner. Gold is a very soft, plastic metal in pure
form. This thin sheet would be cut up adhesively applied to jewelry and
furniture. This technology goes back centuries. This was not used
on locomotives. Too expensive.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Gold leaf paint is paint that has actual
‘ground-up’ powder of actual gold metal in it as the pigment.
Thus, it is costly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“Gold” paint today has some
other ground up mineral as the powder that mimics the color and reflectivity of
gold (Au) but doesn’t cost that much. Iron Pyrite (all that
glitters is not gold) used to be part of the pigment but that too became too
costly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>DULUX gold paint is a yellow pigmented
paint that is not based on a metallic pigment. But, it looks
gold-like. Cheaper.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Gary Rolih<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Cincinnati</span></font></st1:City></st1:place><font size=2
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color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org
[mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st="on">NW Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 09,
2009 12:00 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Norfolk Western Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Lettering color on
early steam</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>In generic terms, what is gold
leaf comprised of? and how is it applied to the prototypes?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Dave Willis<br>
(blt 1962, c/n 4)<br>
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> To: nw-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">mailing-list@nwhs.org</st1:PersonName><br>
> Subject: Re: Lettering color on early steam<br>
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:20:27 -0400<br>
> From: nw-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">mailing-list@nwhs.org</st1:PersonName><br>
> <br>
> It appears to me, that in VERY early photos of N&W locomotives
(perhaps <br>
> freight only) that the lettering is white rather than gold, for example
the <br>
> picture of the first loco produced by <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Roanoke</st1:City></st1:place>. Anyone else have data?<br>
> Jim Cochran<br>
> dcochran116@roadrunner.com<br>
> <br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NW Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nw-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">mailing-list@nwhs.org</st1:PersonName>><br>
> To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NW Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nw-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">mailing-list@nwhs.org</st1:PersonName>><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:20 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: Lettering color on early steam<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > Joe<br>
> ><br>
> > I have drawing F1154 Oct 24 1884 shows gold leaf on passenger tenders
<br>
> > and gold paint on<br>
> > fright locomotive tenders<br>
> ><br>
> > Larry Evans<br>
> > <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Kenova</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">WV</st1:State></st1:place><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> > From: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NW Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nw-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">mailing-list@nwhs.org</st1:PersonName>><br>
> > To: <nw-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">mailing-list@nwhs.org</st1:PersonName>><br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:04 PM<br>
> > Subject: Lettering color on early steam<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Gentlemen,<br>
> >> I've been asked by a model company to supply info about the
lettering on <br>
> >> early N&W steam. My information is that the lettering color
on both <br>
> >> passenger and freight pre-1900 steam was gold leaf. Can anyone
confirm <br>
> >> or deny that?<br>
> >> Thanks<br>
> >> Joe Giannovario<br>
> >> O Scale Trains Magazine<br>
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