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color:#1F497D'>Thanks. I was growing up in the 1930s and evidently wasn’t
aware of the helpers. I remember walking behind the 5 mph coal drags with my
brothers just north of Chillicothe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bob McKell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>NW Mailing List<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 09, 2009 9:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Unfortunately not. I do know my Grandfather
used to ride the helpers up the hill to Kingston. He then used a portable
telegraph unit to check on train movements to ensure it was safe to back down
the hill to Chillicothe. The sidings used were the ones at
Delano. It's just off Route 159 north of the Hospital. As far
as time frame, as a guess I'd say in the 1910s to 1930s. They were using
Z1s and the early Y series then and they just didn't have enough power to pull
that hill alone. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> When I was about 10 my dad worked at Kingston as an
Railway Express Agent. A friend and I would walk south down the hill and
wait for a coal drag. When we thought the engineer couldn't see us we
would hop a coal car and ride to the top of the hill. Even with the 1200s
on the head end the train would only be going about 5 miles an hour when we
hopped off south of the Depot so dad couldn't see what we had done. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jack Lemon<br>
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To: 'NW Mailing List' <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><br>
Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 9:25 am<br>
Subject: RE: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>To the gentleman who responded to Nathan Simmons about the
Scioto Division: Do you know the dates the N&W used helpers on the
Kingston hill west of Chillicothe? I don’t remember them.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bob McKell</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Chillicothe, Ohio</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org"><u><span
style='color:blue'>nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org</span></u></a> [<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>NW Mailing List<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org"><u><span style='color:
blue'>nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</span></u></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Nathan, I grew up in the Scioto Division and my
father and grandfather were Operator/Levermen at the various interlocking
towers throughout the division. Since I lived in Ohio at the end of the
westbound line I don't know a lot about the division east of Portsmouth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> The Scioto Division began west of Williamson and ran
to Columbus, Ohio with a branch to Cincinnati, Ohio. There was a big
classification yard at Portsmouth. From there it was doubletracked all
the way to Columbus where there were two yards. Watkins Yard was at
the South end of Columbus and was where all coal drags were broken down for
interchange with the C & O, the PRR and the NYC. There was a small
exchange yard next to Watkins for the C & O. It was called Mozelle
Yard. It had about 6 tracks if I recall correctly. The other yard
in Columbus was Joyce Avenue Yard. This was the actual end of the N &
W until the merger with NKP in the mid 60s. This was the freight and
passenger yard. The line from Portsmouth to Columbus was called the
Valley.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> There was a 14 mile grade between
Chillicothe, Ohio and Kingston, Ohio that required helpers. They
were kept at a siding just north of Chillicothe and ran to Kingston and backed
down the hill to Chillicothe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Somtime in the late 50s or early 60s they removed a
section of the double track main between Waverly, Ohio and Chillicothe,
Ohio. That move never made sense to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> The interchanges were at Waverly, Ohio at Glen Jean
Tower with the DT & I. In Chillicothe, Ohio at Renick Tower
with the MCRR (Marietta, Cincinnati RailRoad) which was later
the CH & D ( Cincinnati, Hamilton and Dayton) and finally I
believe it was the B & O. At Circleville, Ohio the interchange
was with the PRR and was controlled by Circleville Tower. At Valley
Crossing, Ohio it was with the HVRR (Hocking Valley Railroad) which later
became part of the C & O and was controlled by Valley Crossing
Tower. Bannon Tower at the north end of Watkins yard controlled an
interchange with the PRR. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Just at the north end of Portsmouth, Ohio was a
branch line to Cincinnati, Ohio. It was called the Peavine. It was
single track with lots of curves and at least one grade, between Lawshe and
Winchester, that required helpers until the Class As showed up. It
ended at Claire Yard in Cincinnati. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> My Great Grandfather was a Hostler in Chillicothe,
Ohio for the MCRR. My Grandfather and my Father worked at the yards in
Portsmouth and at the towers in Glen Jean, Renick, Circleville, Valley
Crossing and Bannon. I used to go to work with him during the summer
months. I saw the 1200s, 2100s, 1100s, and even saw Jawn Henry
once. The passenger engines were not the Northeren 4-8-4, 600
series. I believe they were shrouded 2-8-4s. Was it a K2?.
The train that ran from Portsmouth to Columbus was called the Cavalier and
its engine was numbered in the 120s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> This is all from memory and I'm 67. So if I gaffed please
forgive me, but I think I'm reasonably accurate. <br>
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Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59 pm<br>
Subject: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>It seems the older I get the
more I wish I could have lived in the past to see the Y6s, As, and Js. I guess
it is the History buff in me. (After all I'm only 23). This email I m sending
so that I can learn some more about the Divisions west of Roanoke as well as to
show ya'll my my photos from this past weekend which was a trip west of
Bluefield. <br>
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So here goes, I know the Pulaski District came off at Walton and went down to
Bristol. I know the Main to Bluefield was double track this far, and I know
that it is Double Tracked from Narrows to Bluefield. Now my question is was it
double track between Walton and Narrows back in the 50s? <br>
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As for the Pocahontas Division I know it had the Clinch Valley and Pocahontas
District, as well as many branches. But my questions are mainly for the
Pocahontas district. Exactly how far was it electrified? I have read to Vivian
and I have read Iaeger. I know electrification ended when the new alignment
came about which was 1950 right? Now for the Kicker, where exactly did the old
alignment go? This weekend I was on the Pocahontas and made it to the west end
of Elkhorn Tunnel and I think I was able to spot the Old alignment to the North
of the current one, it was higher and was across the hollow. So where did it
tie into everything on the East side of the hill? I ask because I was in
Coopers as well. <br>
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Now for the Last question, Where exactly did the Scioto Division begin? What all
did it include? and what division is it part of in todays NS System? <br>
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Here is the photo album from this weekend: <br>
*<a href="http://tinyurl.com/pokey-oct09*" target="_blank"><u><span
style='color:blue'>http://tinyurl.com/pokey-oct09*</span></u></a> <br>
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Oh one last question, this is for you Virginian folks. Right now the Virginian
connects to the Christiansburg district at Narrows. Now I suspect that the PD
district that comes off the Christiansburg at PD jct is also old Virginian am I
correct on my assumption? and I also assume if I am correct that the Virginian
originally went stright through, and that N&W abandoned the section between
Narrows and PD jct. after the merger. Is the correct or am I all wrong? Please
educate me. <br>
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Thanks in advance, <br>
Nathan <br>
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PS I hope I didn't ask too many "Duh" questions, and I would research
it myself. But at the moment I don't have the time. However after I get caught
up on things I plan to do some research on some stuff. One thing being the Dry
Fork Branch. <br>
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-- Nathan Simmons <br>
<a href="mailto:trainman51@gmail.com"><u><span style='color:blue'>trainman51@gmail.com</span></u></a> <br>
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