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<div> Unfortunately not. I do know my Grandfather used to ride the helpers up the hill to Kingston. He then used a portable telegraph unit to check on train movements to ensure it was safe to back down the hill to Chillicothe. The sidings used were the ones at Delano. It's just off Route 159 north of the Hospital. As far as time frame, as a guess I'd say in the 1910s to 1930s. They were using Z1s and the early Y series then and they just didn't have enough power to pull that hill alone. </div>
<div> When I was about 10 my dad worked at Kingston as an Railway Express Agent. A friend and I would walk south down the hill and wait for a coal drag. When we thought the engineer couldn't see us we would hop a coal car and ride to the top of the hill. Even with the 1200s on the head end the train would only be going about 5 miles an hour when we hopped off south of the Depot so dad couldn't see what we had done. </div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Nathan, I grew up in the Scioto Division and my father and grandfather were Operator/Levermen at the various interlocking towers throughout the division. Since I lived in Ohio at the end of the westbound line I don't know a lot about the division east of Portsmouth.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> The Scioto Division began west of Williamson and ran to Columbus, Ohio with a branch to Cincinnati, Ohio. There was a big classification yard at Portsmouth. From there it was doubletracked all the way to Columbus where there were two yards. Watkins Yard was at the South end of Columbus and was where all coal drags were broken down for interchange with the C & O, the PRR and the NYC. There was a small exchange yard next to Watkins for the C & O. It was called Mozelle Yard. It had about 6 tracks if I recall correctly. The other yard in Columbus was Joyce Avenue Yard. This was the actual end of the N & W until the merger with NKP in the mid 60s. This was the freight and passenger yard. The line from Portsmouth to Columbus was called the Valley.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> There was a 14 mile grade between Chillicothe, Ohio and Kingston, Ohio that required helpers. They were kept at a siding just north of Chillicothe and ran to Kingston and backed down the hill to Chillicothe.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Somtime in the late 50s or early 60s they removed a section of the double track main between Waverly, Ohio and Chillicothe, Ohio. That move never made sense to me.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> The interchanges were at Waverly, Ohio at Glen Jean Tower with the DT & I. In Chillicothe, Ohio at Renick Tower with the MCRR (Marietta, Cincinnati RailRoad) which was later the CH & D ( Cincinnati, Hamilton and Dayton) and finally I believe it was the B & O. At Circleville, Ohio the interchange was with the PRR and was controlled by Circleville Tower. At Valley Crossing, Ohio it was with the HVRR (Hocking Valley Railroad) which later became part of the C & O and was controlled by Valley Crossing Tower. Bannon Tower at the north end of Watkins yard controlled an interchange with the PRR. </SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Just at the north end of Portsmouth, Ohio was a branch line to Cincinnati, Ohio. It was called the Peavine. It was single track with lots of curves and at least one grade, between Lawshe and Winchester, that required helpers until the Class As showed up. It ended at Claire Yard in Cincinnati. </SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> My Great Grandfather was a Hostler in Chillicothe, Ohio for the MCRR. My Grandfather and my Father worked at the yards in Portsmouth and at the towers in Glen Jean, Renick, Circleville, Valley Crossing and Bannon. I used to go to work with him during the summer months. I saw the 1200s, 2100s, 1100s, and even saw Jawn Henry once. The passenger engines were not the Northeren 4-8-4, 600 series. I believe they were shrouded 2-8-4s. Was it a K2?. The train that ran from Portsmouth to Columbus was called the Cavalier and its engine was numbered in the 120s.</SPAN></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">It seems the older I get the more I wish I could have lived in the past to see the Y6s, As, and Js. I guess it is the History buff in me. (After all I'm only 23). This email I m sending so that I can learn some more about the Divisions west of Roanoke as well as to show ya'll my my photos from this past weekend which was a trip west of Bluefield. <br>
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So here goes, I know the Pulaski District came off at Walton and went down to Bristol. I know the Main to Bluefield was double track this far, and I know that it is Double Tracked from Narrows to Bluefield. Now my question is was it double track between Walton and Narrows back in the 50s? <br>
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As for the Pocahontas Division I know it had the Clinch Valley and Pocahontas District, as well as many branches. But my questions are mainly for the Pocahontas district. Exactly how far was it electrified? I have read to Vivian and I have read Iaeger. I know electrification ended when the new alignment came about which was 1950 right? Now for the Kicker, where exactly did the old alignment go? This weekend I was on the Pocahontas and made it to the west end of Elkhorn Tunnel and I think I was able to spot the Old alignment to the North of the current one, it was higher and was across the hollow. So where did it tie into everything on the East side of the hill? I ask because I was in Coopers as well. <br>
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Now for the Last question, Where exactly did the Scioto Division begin? What all did it include? and what division is it part of in todays NS System? <br>
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Here is the photo album from this weekend: <br>
*<A href="http://tinyurl.com/pokey-oct09*" target=_blank>http://tinyurl.com/pokey-oct09*</A> <br>
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Oh one last question, this is for you Virginian folks. Right now the Virginian connects to the Christiansburg district at Narrows. Now I suspect that the PD district that comes off the Christiansburg at PD jct is also old Virginian am I correct on my assumption? and I also assume if I am correct that the Virginian originally went stright through, and that N&W abandoned the section between Narrows and PD jct. after the merger. Is the correct or am I all wrong? Please educate me. <br>
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Thanks in advance, <br>
Nathan <br>
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PS I hope I didn't ask too many "Duh" questions, and I would research it myself. But at the moment I don't have the time. However after I get caught up on things I plan to do some research on some stuff. One thing being the Dry Fork Branch. <br>
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