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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:21:06 -0600
Subject: Re Powhatan Arrow Consist in N-Scale
Message-ID: <4A369112.301@frii.com>


The recent post re the Rapido passenger car with N&W lettering in 
N-scale prompts me to speak up for the M&R etched brass sides for the 
basic Arrow consist (P-1, P-2, P-3, P-4, D-1), available via 
www.nscalesupply.com (a very competent supplier).  Click on "supply 
catalog", then "listings by manufacturer", then scroll down to "M&R Sides".

I secured the entire consist, 8 sides plus a single wrap-around for the 
rounded P-4 (tavern car) , and found all executed exceedingly well.  
Fully accurate to drawings I have.  Manufactured in Italy, I believe.

All pieces match the American Limited passenger car core kit perfectly.  
Be sure to get the 8040 kit in black, which gives you a leg up on the 
Arrow roofs.

The tavern car, rounded in the rear, takes some modifying of the core 
kit.   I trimmed the roof and undercarriage, crafted 1/8" balsa plugs to 
contour the trimmings (inside), and found that the single tavern car 
side strip, with end door in the middle, wraps around just right to meet 
the opposite end in very snug fashion.

I used Scalecoat II paint, S2082 (N&W red), which hits the bullseye to 
my mind for the Arrow's Tuscan Red livery.  With ShellScale #6 (or N123) 
decals, the whole business is quite spiffy.

My consist is pulled by a Bachmann Spectrum J, the first of which, out 
of the box, ran half-way around the pike, then, with a clunk, stopped in 
its tracks, not to be coaxed back to life.  I returned it to Bachmann, 
which by return mail supplied me with a new engine right off the shelf.  
I added a decoder and MT tender coupler, and all goes fine.

Go for the M&R sides, which make for an arresting Arrow.

Frank Gibson








From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jun 15 17:52:40 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:52:40 -0400
Subject: Re Powhatan Arrow Consist in N-Scale
References: <4A369112.301@frii.com>
Message-ID: <001001c9ee03$ee70c410$0201a8c0@jim>

Frank,

How about doing an article for The Arrow?

Jim Brewer
NWHS Modeling Editor

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To: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re Powhatan Arrow Consist in N-Scale


>
> The recent post re the Rapido passenger car with N&W lettering in N-scale 
> prompts me to speak up for the M&R etched brass sides for the basic Arrow 
> consist (P-1, P-2, P-3, P-4, D-1), available via www.nscalesupply.com (a 
> very competent supplier).  Click on "supply catalog", then "listings by 
> manufacturer", then scroll down to "M&R Sides".
>
> I secured the entire consist, 8 sides plus a single wrap-around for the 
> rounded P-4 (tavern car) , and found all executed exceedingly well.  Fully 
> accurate to drawings I have.  Manufactured in Italy, I believe.
>
> All pieces match the American Limited passenger car core kit perfectly. 
> Be sure to get the 8040 kit in black, which gives you a leg up on the 
> Arrow roofs.
>
> The tavern car, rounded in the rear, takes some modifying of the core kit. 
> I trimmed the roof and undercarriage, crafted 1/8" balsa plugs to contour 
> the trimmings (inside), and found that the single tavern car side strip, 
> with end door in the middle, wraps around just right to meet the opposite 
> end in very snug fashion.
>
> I used Scalecoat II paint, S2082 (N&W red), which hits the bullseye to my 
> mind for the Arrow's Tuscan Red livery.  With ShellScale #6 (or N123) 
> decals, the whole business is quite spiffy.
>
> My consist is pulled by a Bachmann Spectrum J, the first of which, out of 
> the box, ran half-way around the pike, then, with a clunk, stopped in its 
> tracks, not to be coaxed back to life.  I returned it to Bachmann, which 
> by return mail supplied me with a new engine right off the shelf.  I added 
> a decoder and MT tender coupler, and all goes fine.
>
> Go for the M&R sides, which make for an arresting Arrow.
>
> Frank Gibson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Tue Jun 16 21:47:59 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:47:59 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: N&W shots '71 to '82 on RRPictureArchives
Message-ID: <22780632.1245203279626.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

List:
Got this from the NS Fans Yahoo group.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=17100

Good for record keeping and modeling.

Enjoy! I did (am).
Charlie Long



From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jun 17 18:05:31 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Precision Craft CF Cabooses
Message-ID: <202786.81891.qm@web84409.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>

Can anyone tell me if the?N&W?cabooses by Precision Craft produced? Thanks!

Charlie
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jun 17 22:40:35 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:40:35 -0400
Subject: Precision Craft CF Cabooses
References: <202786.81891.qm@web84409.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F322BC3323AE42C3A82330D770F13108@home>

They have not been done as of this date and some say that the project has been cancelled!

Wayne
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        Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft produced? Thanks!

        Charlie 



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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jun 17 22:16:15 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400
Subject: Precision Craft CF Cabooses
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I communicated directly with Broadway Limited/PCM a couple of months ago relative to the status of the N&W CF cabs.  There response was that they had been cancelled due to lack of advanced reservations.   As a result I made reservations immediately for a 3 unit set of PRR RF-16 sharks at my local hobby store.  I never realized the importance of advanced reservations relative to model production scheduling (at least at Broadway Ltd).  If you look at it from their prospective (as a business) why would you go to the trouble of producing something that has no apparent market.

Ed Painter - Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:06 PM
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Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft produced? Thanks!

Charlie


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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jun 17 22:24:01 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:24:01 -0400
Subject: Precision Craft CF Cabooses
References: <202786.81891.qm@web84409.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7FE7CC5AC4D4EC4B3E25E4C14A7348B@601ek604>

If they produced WHAT, Charlie?

EdKing
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  Subject: Precision Craft CF Cabooses


        Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft produced? Thanks!

        Charlie 



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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jun 18 08:27:13 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:27:13 -0400
Subject: Reservations about reservations, was Re: Precision Craft CF Cabooses
In-Reply-To: <F5CAD0B9D3F62341B4B6EA482A168E5FD1F397970D@SWEC9965.w-intra.net>
References: <202786.81891.qm@web84409.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
	<F5CAD0B9D3F62341B4B6EA482A168E5FD1F397970D@SWEC9965.w-intra.net>
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I certainly understand the importance of reservations from the 
manufacturer's standpoint.  However, I have some reservations about 
forking over cash before I see the product in question.  Before I go 
spend several hundred dollars (which is still a lot of money to me), I 
want to know that the model is worth it, what the construction and 
detail quality is, and hopefully see a review by a competent and 
impartial (are you listening, Bachmann?) reviewer.

So, companies that ask me to drop a couple hundred bucks in the pot in 
hopes of getting what they promised will have to look elsewhere for the 
funds.  IF they make a good product and IF it reasonably priced and IF 
it is something I need and IF I have the money, then and only them will 
they get my money.

Sorry, just had to rant a bit.  I mean, c'mon!  Did Athearn require 
advance payment on models?  Varney?  English?  Bowser?

Ken Rickman

NW Modeling List wrote:
> I never realized the importance of advanced 
> reservations relative to model production scheduling (at least at 
> Broadway Ltd).  If you look at it from their prospective (as a business) 
> why would you go to the trouble of producing something that has no 
> apparent market.
-- 
Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com
Salisbury, NC

"Once admit that human life can be guided by reason, and all possibility 
of life is annihilated" - Leo Tolstoy

From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jun 18 10:50:57 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:50:57 -0400
Subject: Precision Craft CF Cabooses
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CF Caboose..........not on the N&W.  Charley did you mean; CF Cab?............................................................................

Ed Painter Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:24 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Precision Craft CF Cabooses

If they produced WHAT, Charlie?

EdKing
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To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:05 PM
Subject: Precision Craft CF Cabooses

Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft produced? Thanks!

Charlie

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jun 18 12:20:35 2009
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:20:35 -0400
Subject: Reservations about reservations, was Re: Precision Craft CF
	Cabooses
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I totally agree about money down.  I have money in one brass dealers hands that I provided for a reservation 6 years ago and still no model has been produced.  With Broadway Limited (and all other plastic), at least at my local Arkansas hobby shop I can make a reservation without putting anything down.  My reluctance to do reservations wasn't usually because of money down or not, but what I have to pay for the model once it came out.  As we all know there are lots of dealers/sellers on the internet or eBay that provide significant discounts on most plastic models and if they are out of state there is no tax too.  When I make a reservation at my local hobby shop I am obligated to buy the model at their price and pay tax.  So I didn't make a habit of reserving models with them betting that I could buy the model(s) at a discounted price and not need to pay tax through the internet.  I have reciently adjusted that philosophy and will reserve all models that I don't want to risk missing out on.

As for reservations and buying models in today's' model railroading market......Athearn (no longer a family operation) too has made some changes in the way they do business and you don't see everything announced being produced or you might see a only a limited run when it is produced.  Smart businesses understand their market(s) and produce accordingly.  It's about margin and return on investment.  It's a different market for model railroading than it was 10 years ago and the companies producing products have evolved.  Few anymore are family companies like Athearn and Varney(Lifelike)used to be.  I've been in model railroading all my life (55+ years.....) thanks to my Dad.  The good old days were great......... but look at the variety, the quality, the attention to prototype details, and technology we now have.  As long as the manufacturers and suppliers have good return on their operations we will continue to have more and more great stuff to choose and buy from.  It's our hobby but it's how they pay their bills and eat.

Ed Painter 


-----Original Message-----
From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:27 AM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Reservations about reservations, was Re: Precision Craft CF Cabooses

I certainly understand the importance of reservations from the 
manufacturer's standpoint.  However, I have some reservations about 
forking over cash before I see the product in question.  Before I go 
spend several hundred dollars (which is still a lot of money to me), I 
want to know that the model is worth it, what the construction and 
detail quality is, and hopefully see a review by a competent and 
impartial (are you listening, Bachmann?) reviewer.

So, companies that ask me to drop a couple hundred bucks in the pot in 
hopes of getting what they promised will have to look elsewhere for the 
funds.  IF they make a good product and IF it reasonably priced and IF 
it is something I need and IF I have the money, then and only them will 
they get my money.

Sorry, just had to rant a bit.  I mean, c'mon!  Did Athearn require 
advance payment on models?  Varney?  English?  Bowser?

Ken Rickman

NW Modeling List wrote:
> I never realized the importance of advanced 
> reservations relative to model production scheduling (at least at 
> Broadway Ltd).  If you look at it from their prospective (as a business) 
> why would you go to the trouble of producing something that has no 
> apparent market.
-- 
Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com
Salisbury, NC

"Once admit that human life can be guided by reason, and all possibility 
of life is annihilated" - Leo Tolstoy
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jun 18 12:26:56 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:26:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Precision Craft CF Cabooses
Message-ID: <729330.76368.qm@web38708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- On Wed, 6/17/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: Precision Craft CF Cabooses
> To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 10:40 PM
> 
> 
>  
> They have not been done as of this date and some say
> that the project has 
> been cancelled!
> ?
> Wayne
==========================

The CF has officially been cancelled.

http://www.broadway-limited.com/canceledprojects.aspx

The PCM stuff about "not enough orders" was a bunch of horse hockey in my opinion, as in N scale they just released an EMD E8. With N scale E8s already out there from Kato and Lifelike I'm having a hard time believing that they got enough pre-orders to make these.

Cheers,

Mark Peele
Catonsville, MD


      

From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jun 18 15:05:22 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:05:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CF Cabooses
Message-ID: <192826.63646.qm@web84414.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>

For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have said "Can anyone tell me if the?N&W?cabooses by Precision Craft were produced.? I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I ordered from told me discountinued.? I would have thought these would have sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people?wanted them.

Charlie
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jun 18 16:21:09 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CF Cabooses
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-- On Thu, 6/18/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: CF Cabooses
> To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 3:05 PM
> For those that didn't
> understand the message I apologize, it should have said
> "Can anyone tell me if the?N&W?cabooses
> by Precision Craft were produced.? I had 5 on
> order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I
> ordered from told me discountinued.? I would have
> thought these would have sold well since most talk I have
> heard seemed that people?wanted them.
> 
> Charlie
=====================
They were cancelled (see my other post) ie NEVER made.

Mark


      

From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jun 21 00:57:26 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:57:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Northwest Shortlines E2a
Message-ID: <123600.39478.qm@web23901.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


I came across this early 70's model recently. Good timing as I was looking for my first passenger steamer. 

I believe NWSL models are held general in high regard. Does anyone have any experience with this particular model. This would be a runner, so I'm especially curious about the quality and robustness of the running gear. 

Matt Goodman  


      

From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jun 21 19:47:44 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:47:44 -0400
Subject: PCM/Broadway N&W CF Caboose in HO
Message-ID: <327a2d880906211647q1fcfe4feyf40a2ce2ac4c645c@mail.gmail.com>

It has been discussed before, the item has been canceled.  Apparently there
were not enough orders.  I had one on order at my LHS for about forever, at
least 2.5 years, whenever they were first announced.  If you check out there
website, I believe the Caboose is no longer there.  The only good news is
that it looks like in August the SD40-2 hi hood for N&W will be on the
shelves.  Though I believe this item was originally announced in the fall of
06.  So it took them almost three years.  Fortunately on both these items my
LHS did not require a deposit (since I am a good customer) and he told me
not to cancel the order.

I split era's.  I love the diesel era of N&W but I do run steam on occasion,
especially at shows.  Right before the CF caboose was announced, I picked up
a brass Division Point, N&W caboose factory painted.  But since I have two
steam freight engines I needed another one.  So, would check ebay from time
to time and managed to snag two wooden kits, which are now on my to-do list.

A.J. Gemperline
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jun 21 23:31:43 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:31:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: CF Cabooses
Message-ID: <181214.63893.qm@web23901.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing.  So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility. 

Will that change my behavior?  Probably not.  

I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).  I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know!

In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves! 

Matt Goodman

On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:05 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have said "Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft were produced.  I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I ordered from told me discountinued.  I would have thought these would have sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people wanted them.

Charlie
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