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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:29:44 +0200
Subject: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 66, Issue 16
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RE: N&W CF caboose:

Broadway Limited subscribes to a different business model than the rest of
us. The company is averse to risk, which makes sense, but in avoiding risk
it also eliminates success. The CF caboose is an example. With all the N&W
Class A, J and Y6b steam locos sold by Broadway over the past few years,
you'd think that they would have created a market for the caboose. After
all, there's no accurate ready-to-roll N&W caboose on the market. But
because Broadway was unwilling to pony up the money for this model without
something of a guarantee that the model would sell, they canceled
production.

Probably more accurate a reason for the cancellation is that the company is
under-capitalized, that its lender(s) have insisted that pre-orders be shown
before a letter of credit is issued, and, finally, that the company was at
least peripherally involved in a big lawsuit until somewhat recently.

For all I know, Broadway's policies work for them. but I, for one, am
uncomfortable with ordering in advance, sight unseen. Whether a pre-order
means a pre-pay, or simply a hold placed on an amount on a credit card, it
means that I trust the company I'm ordering from enough to put my money up
front. In the case of Broadway Limited, their unreliable delivery schedule,
the generally abysmal quality control combined with slipshod engineering,
and the flavor-of-the-week sound/DCC boards combine to instill tremendous
doubt in my mind that what I order will be produced, or would be worth
buying.

Ivan Abrams

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> It has been discussed before, the item has been canceled.  Apparently there
> were not enough orders.  I had one on order at my LHS for about forever, at
> least 2.5 years, whenever they were first announced.  If you check out
> there
> website, I believe the Caboose is no longer there.  The only good news is
> that it looks like in August the SD40-2 hi hood for N&W will be on the
> shelves.  Though I believe this item was originally announced in the fall
> of
> 06.  So it took them almost three years.  Fortunately on both these items
> my
> LHS did not require a deposit (since I am a good customer) and he told me
> not to cancel the order.
>
> I split era's.  I love the diesel era of N&W but I do run steam on
> occasion,
> especially at shows.  Right before the CF caboose was announced, I picked
> up
> a brass Division Point, N&W caboose factory painted.  But since I have two
> steam freight engines I needed another one.  So, would check ebay from time
> to time and managed to snag two wooden kits, which are now on my to-do
> list.
>
> A.J. Gemperline
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> Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never
> bought into the pre-order thing.  So I guess indirectly I, and others like
> me, bear some responsibility.
>
> Will that change my behavior?  Probably not.
>
> I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF
> cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd
> been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).  I hear they
> make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never
> know!
>
> In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either.
> And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves!
>
> Matt Goodman
>
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:05 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
> For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have
> said "Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft were
> produced.  I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I
> ordered from told me discountinued.  I would have thought these would have
> sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people wanted them.
>
> Charlie
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jun 22 13:23:07 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:23:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: N&W E2a Re: CF Cabooses
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Hi Matt; 



The USRA Light Pacific is a bit on the big side to represent a N&W E2, but if you want to go that way, why not us an IHC (Mehano) model, the later ones are great runners with RP25 wheels, and easy to convert to DCC. 



A closer starting point is the Bowser NYC K11 - which requires a bit of metal cutting.? The K11, like the N&W E2 was made by Alco, and is very close in overall size. 



Nigel 
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Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing. ?So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility.? 


Will that change my behavior? ? Probably not. ? 


I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2). ?I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know! 


In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves!? 


Matt Goodman 

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For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have said "Can anyone tell me if the?N&W?cabooses by Precision Craft were produced.? I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I ordered from told me discountinued.? I would have thought these would have sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people?wanted them. 

Charlie 


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A logical and well-reasoned explanation.  I too agree with Mr. Abrams that the practices of BLI are discouraging to the customer who are requested to assume the business risk by purchasing a product which does not yet exist.

 

All business involves risk and those of us who look forward to production of an accurate caboose are disappointed that one has yet to be marketed.

Ed Svitil


 


Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:29:44 +0200
Subject: Re: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 66, Issue 16
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org

RE: N&W CF caboose:

Broadway Limited subscribes to a different business model than the rest of us. The company is averse to risk, which makes sense, but in avoiding risk it also eliminates success. The CF caboose is an example. With all the N&W Class A, J and Y6b steam locos sold by Broadway over the past few years, you'd think that they would have created a market for the caboose. After all, there's no accurate ready-to-roll N&W caboose on the market. But because Broadway was unwilling to pony up the money for this model without something of a guarantee that the model would sell, they canceled production.

Probably more accurate a reason for the cancellation is that the company is under-capitalized, that its lender(s) have insisted that pre-orders be shown before a letter of credit is issued, and, finally, that the company was at least peripherally involved in a big lawsuit until somewhat recently.

For all I know, Broadway's policies work for them. but I, for one, am uncomfortable with ordering in advance, sight unseen. Whether a pre-order means a pre-pay, or simply a hold placed on an amount on a credit card, it means that I trust the company I'm ordering from enough to put my money up front. In the case of Broadway Limited, their unreliable delivery schedule, the generally abysmal quality control combined with slipshod engineering, and the flavor-of-the-week sound/DCC boards combine to instill tremendous doubt in my mind that what I order will be produced, or would be worth buying.

Ivan Abrams


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It has been discussed before, the item has been canceled.  Apparently there
were not enough orders.  I had one on order at my LHS for about forever, at
least 2.5 years, whenever they were first announced.  If you check out there
website, I believe the Caboose is no longer there.  The only good news is
that it looks like in August the SD40-2 hi hood for N&W will be on the
shelves.  Though I believe this item was originally announced in the fall of
06.  So it took them almost three years.  Fortunately on both these items my
LHS did not require a deposit (since I am a good customer) and he told me
not to cancel the order.

I split era's.  I love the diesel era of N&W but I do run steam on occasion,
especially at shows.  Right before the CF caboose was announced, I picked up
a brass Division Point, N&W caboose factory painted.  But since I have two
steam freight engines I needed another one.  So, would check ebay from time
to time and managed to snag two wooden kits, which are now on my to-do list.

A.J. Gemperline
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Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing.  So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility.

Will that change my behavior?  Probably not.

I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).  I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know!

In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves!

Matt Goodman

On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:05 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have said "Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft were produced.  I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I ordered from told me discountinued.  I would have thought these would have sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people wanted them.

Charlie
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jun 22 17:38:53 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:38:53 -0400
Subject: Northwest Shortline's E2a
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I currently have 4 and have had as many as 6 of over time. They are very solidly built and were imported by NWSL from Japan in the early 70's (I don't have my Brown Book here at work but I think in 1971).  The open frame motor is a bit noisy and not very operationally sensitive as compared to can motors that were used in newer brass models.  For a model being equipped with an open frame motor they do run well. The running gear is solidly built and durable (I have never had any significant mechanical or electrical problems with any of my locomotives). It is however important, as with all such mechanical/electrical devices, to maintain them good cleaning and lubrication.  As for detail, while not perfect (we always seem to find imperfections in models) the models have good detail making them nice representations of the prototype.  3 versions were produced.  A 1920's verson, a 1930's verson, and a 1950's verson......... I well remember seeing watching E-2a's running on the N&W from Bluefield to Norton as a kid in the 50's.  (the E-2a at the Ohio Railway Museum in Worthington was one of the Bluefield to Norton locomotives)

Ed Painter - From Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR



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I came across this early 70's model recently. Good timing as I was looking for my first passenger steamer. 

I believe NWSL models are held general in high regard. Does anyone have any experience with this particular model. This would be a runner, so I'm especially curious about the quality and robustness of the running gear. 

Matt Goodman  


      
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
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Subject: Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a

I have owned many of these engines and have painted close to 25 of them for others. I have never found one that didn't run well. They can be noisy as the open gearbox tends to be noisy but every one I've had experience with was smooth running and well made. Toby did a good job on them. They were well detailed at the time they were introduced but some details are dated and could stand being replaced. The class lights are the worst detail as far as I'm concerned.

I personally think the E-2 class was a handsome engine and better looking than any Pennsy K4 or the N&W E-3.

Enjoy!
Roger Huber

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>Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:47:44 -0400
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>Subject: Re: PCM/Broadway N&W CF Caboose in HO
>To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
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>It has been discussed before, the item has been canceled.  Apparently there
>were not enough orders.  I had one on order at my LHS for about forever, at
>least 2.5 years, whenever they were first announced.  If you check out there
>website, I believe the Caboose is no longer there.  The only good news is
>that it looks like in August the SD40-2 hi hood for N&W will be on the
>shelves.  Though I believe this item was originally announced in the fall of
>06.  So it took them almost three years.  Fortunately on both these items my
>LHS did not require a deposit (since I am a good customer) and he told me
>not to cancel the order.
>
>I split era's.  I love the diesel era of N&W but I do run steam on occasion,
>especially at shows.  Right before the CF caboose was announced, I picked up
>a brass Division Point, N&W caboose factory painted.  But since I have two
>steam freight engines I needed another one.  So, would check ebay from time
>to time and managed to snag two wooden kits, which are now on my to-do list.
>
>A.J. Gemperline
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>From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>Subject: Re: CF Cabooses
>To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
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>Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing.  So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility. 
>
>Will that change my behavior?  Probably not.  
>
>I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).  I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know!
>
>In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves! 
>
>Matt Goodman
>
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jun 22 23:20:13 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:20:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: N&W E2a Re: CF Cabooses
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Thanks Nigel and Kurt for the E2a feedback! 

I'll take a look at both the IHC and Bowser. 

The NWSL brass model would require a new gearbox (it's loud!) plus replacement of the missing left cylinder steam supply pipe. Who knows where that got off to.  

Ah, which project should I take. ..

Matt

Sent from my phone

On Jun 22, 2009, at 1:23 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Hi Matt;

 

The USRA Light Pacific is a bit on the big side to represent a N&W E2, but if you want to go that way, why not us an IHC (Mehano) model, the later ones are great runners with RP25 wheels, and easy to convert to DCC.

 

A closer starting point is the Bowser NYC K11 - which requires a bit of metal cutting.  The K11, like the N&W E2 was made by Alco, and is very close in overall size.

 

Nigel
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Subject: Re: CF Cabooses


Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing.  So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility. 

Will that change my behavior?  Probably not.  

I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).  I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know!

In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves! 

Matt Goodman

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For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have said "Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft were produced.  I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I ordered from told me discountinued.  I would have thought these would have sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people wanted them.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:16:16 -0400
Subject: Northwest Shortline's E2a
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In reading this I can see the pitfalls of multi-tasking.  Excuse the poor English composition and typing.......................

Ed Painter

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Subject: RE: Northwest Shortline's E2a

I currently have 4 and have had as many as 6 of over time. They are very solidly built and were imported by NWSL from Japan in the early 70's (I don't have my Brown Book here at work but I think in 1971).  The open frame motor is a bit noisy and not very operationally sensitive as compared to can motors that were used in newer brass models.  For a model being equipped with an open frame motor they do run well. The running gear is solidly built and durable (I have never had any significant mechanical or electrical problems with any of my locomotives). It is however important, as with all such mechanical/electrical devices, to maintain them good cleaning and lubrication.  As for detail, while not perfect (we always seem to find imperfections in models) the models have good detail making them nice representations of the prototype.  3 versions were produced.  A 1920's verson, a 1930's verson, and a 1950's verson......... I well remember seeing watching E-2a's running on the N&W f
 rom Bluefield to Norton as a kid in the 50's.  (the E-2a at the Ohio Railway Museum in Worthington was one of the Bluefield to Norton locomotives)

Ed Painter - From Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR



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I came across this early 70's model recently. Good timing as I was looking for my first passenger steamer. 

I believe NWSL models are held general in high regard. Does anyone have any experience with this particular model. This would be a runner, so I'm especially curious about the quality and robustness of the running gear. 

Matt Goodman  


      
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:31:56 -0400
Subject: Northwest Shortlines E2a
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Matt:

Which version did you find?  The 1940 version representing 578 with large 
tender, or the 1910 version?  The reason I ask is that I don't think both 
versions came from the same maker in Japan.  I found the 1940's version to 
be a very reliable runner.  I had an issue with the crude castings for the 
headlight and classification lights, so I replaced them with Cal-scale 
parts.  These models were produced in 1972.

--Rick Morrison

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>
> I came across this early 70's model recently. Good timing as I was looking 
> for my first passenger steamer.
>
> I believe NWSL models are held general in high regard. Does anyone have 
> any experience with this particular model. This would be a runner, so I'm 
> especially curious about the quality and robustness of the running gear.
>
> Matt Goodman
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Tue Jun 23 22:16:56 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:16:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Northwest Shortlines E2a
Message-ID: <171965.48634.qm@web23907.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I'm not sure what year it most accurately represents, but it's definitely later as it has the large tender and centered headlight.  I noted the same thing you did regarding the headlight - overlarge and crude.

What year did the 578 get the centered headlight and large tender?

Matt Goodman




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Subject: Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a

Matt:

Which version did you find?  The 1940 version representing 578 with large tender, or the 1910 version?  The reason I ask is that I don't think both versions came from the same maker in Japan.  I found the 1940's version to be a very reliable runner.  I had an issue with the crude castings for the headlight and classification lights, so I replaced them with Cal-scale parts.  These models were produced in 1972.

--Rick Morrison

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> 
> I came across this early 70's model recently. Good timing as I was looking for my first passenger steamer.
> 
> I believe NWSL models are held general in high regard. Does anyone have any experience with this particular model. This would be a runner, so I'm especially curious about the quality and robustness of the running gear.
> 
> Matt Goodman
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:24:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Northwest Shortline's E2a
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Thanks for the feedback on the running qualities, both Ed and Rick.

Based on the last two emails, there was a version produced for every decade this locomotive existed - 1910's and 1940's (Rick), 1920's, 1930's and 1950's (Ed).  This must have been one popular model!  (g)

Two questions:
What year were the headlights centered on the prototype, and what class of locomotive was the large tender inherited from? (I'm guessing a Y)

Regarding the model, it's missing one of the cylinder steam supply pipes (smokebox to valve chest).  Where could one get a replacement, or is this a scratch-build situation?

Matt Goodman




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Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 5:38:53 PM
Subject: RE: Northwest Shortline's E2a

I currently have 4 and have had as many as 6 of over time. They are very solidly built and were imported by NWSL from Japan in the early 70's (I don't have my Brown Book here at work but I think in 1971).  The open frame motor is a bit noisy and not very operationally sensitive as compared to can motors that were used in newer brass models.  For a model being equipped with an open frame motor they do run well. The running gear is solidly built and durable (I have never had any significant mechanical or electrical problems with any of my locomotives). It is however important, as with all such mechanical/electrical devices, to maintain them good cleaning and lubrication.  As for detail, while not perfect (we always seem to find imperfections in models) the models have good detail making them nice representations of the prototype.  3 versions were produced.  A 1920's verson, a 1930's verson, and a 1950's verson......... I well remember seeing watching
 E-2a's running on the N&W f
rom Bluefield to Norton as a kid in the 50's.  (the E-2a at the Ohio Railway Museum in Worthington was one of the Bluefield to Norton locomotives)

Ed Painter - From Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR



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Subject: Northwest Shortlines E2a


I came across this early 70's model recently. Good timing as I was looking for my first passenger steamer. 

I believe NWSL models are held general in high regard. Does anyone have any experience with this particular model. This would be a runner, so I'm especially curious about the quality and robustness of the running gear. 

Matt Goodman  


      
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:30:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Northwest Shortlines E2a
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Agreed on the comparison to the Pennsy and N&W E3.

Good to hear a consensus on the running quality.  I'm not old enough to know by first hand experience, but it sounds that late '60's / early 70's brass were generally built to be runners, as opposed to display (I have a recent PFM M2c that is beautiful, but won't pull a darn thing - I need to figure out why that is).

Roger, I didn't see your note initially due to the digest subject line - but based on your stated experience, perhaps you can answer the question regarding missing pieces I posted in another reply (I've used up enough bandwidth already!)

Matt Goodman




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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:27:30 -0500 (CDT)
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Subject: Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a

I have owned many of these engines and have painted close to 25 of them for others. I have never found one that didn't run well. They can be noisy as the open gearbox tends to be noisy but every one I've had experience with was smooth running and well made. Toby did a good job on them. They were well detailed at the time they were introduced but some details are dated and could stand being replaced. The class lights are the worst detail as far as I'm concerned.

I personally think the E-2 class was a handsome engine and better looking than any Pennsy K4 or the N&W E-3.

Enjoy!
Roger Huber

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>It has been discussed before, the item has been canceled.  Apparently there
>were not enough orders.  I had one on order at my LHS for about forever, at
>least 2.5 years, whenever they were first announced.  If you check out there
>website, I believe the Caboose is no longer there.  The only good news is
>that it looks like in August the SD40-2 hi hood for N&W will be on the
>shelves.  Though I believe this item was originally announced in the fall of
>06.  So it took them almost three years.  Fortunately on both these items my
>LHS did not require a deposit (since I am a good customer) and he told me
>not to cancel the order.
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>I split era's.  I love the diesel era of N&W but I do run steam on occasion,
>especially at shows.  Right before the CF caboose was announced, I picked up
>a brass Division Point, N&W caboose factory painted.  But since I have two
>steam freight engines I needed another one.  So, would check ebay from time
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>Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing.  So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility. 
>
>Will that change my behavior?  Probably not.  
>
>I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).  I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know!
>
>In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves! 
>
>Matt Goodman
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>For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have said "Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft were produced.  I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I ordered from told me discountinued.  I would have thought these would have sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people wanted them.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:55:05 -0400
Subject: Northwest Shortline's E2a
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Matt:

I would contact NWSL about the missing steam supply pipe.  Describe the part missing and ask them in general what parts they may still have for these models.  I was able to get a part just a couple of years ago.

--Rick Morrison
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  Subject: Re: Northwest Shortline's E2a


  Thanks for the feedback on the running qualities, both Ed and Rick.

  Based on the last two emails, there was a version produced for every decade this locomotive existed - 1910's and 1940's (Rick), 1920's, 1930's and 1950's (Ed).  This must have been one popular model!  (g)

  Two questions:
  What year were the headlights centered on the prototype, and what class of locomotive was the large tender inherited from? (I'm guessing a Y)

  Regarding the model, it's missing one of the cylinder steam supply pipes (smokebox to valve chest).  Where could one get a replacement, or is this a scratch-build situation?

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Northwest Shortlines E2a
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Matt, 
?
Email me offline and I'll try to answer any questions you have about the E-2 models and missing pieces.
?
huber25 at att.net
?
Roger Huber

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:30 AM






Agreed on the comparison to the Pennsy and N&W E3.

Good to hear a consensus on the running quality.? I'm not old enough to know by first hand experience, but it sounds that late '60's / early 70's brass were generally built to be runners, as opposed to display (I have a recent PFM M2c that is beautiful, but won't pull a darn thing - I need to figure out why that is).

Roger, I didn't see your note initially due to the digest subject line - but based on your stated experience, perhaps you can answer the question regarding missing pieces I posted in another reply (I've used up enough bandwidth already!)

Matt Goodman





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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:27:30 -0500 (CDT)
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Subject: Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a

I have owned many of these engines and have painted close to 25 of them for others. I have never found one that didn't run well. They can be noisy as the open gearbox tends to be noisy but every one I've had experience with was smooth running and well made. Toby did a good job on them. They were well detailed at the time they were introduced but some details are dated and could stand being replaced. The class lights are the worst detail as far as I'm concerned.

I personally think the E-2 class was a handsome engine and better looking than any Pennsy K4 or the N&W E-3.

Enjoy!
Roger Huber

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>It has been discussed before, the item has been canceled.? Apparently there
>were not enough orders.? I had one on order at my LHS for about forever, at
>least 2.5 years, whenever they were first announced.? If you check out there
>website, I believe the Caboose is no longer there.? The only good news is
>that it looks like in August the SD40-2 hi hood for N&W will be on the
>shelves.? Though I believe this item was originally announced in the fall of
>06.? So it took them almost three years.? Fortunately on both these items my
>LHS did not require a deposit (since I am a good customer) and he told me
>not to cancel the order.
>
>I split era's.? I love the diesel era of N&W but I do run steam on occasion,
>especially at shows.? Right before the CF caboose was announced, I picked up
>a brass Division Point, N&W caboose factory painted.? But since I have two
>steam freight engines I needed another one.? So, would check ebay from time
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>Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing.? So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility. 
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>Will that change my behavior?? Probably not.? 
>
>I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).? I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know!
>
>In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves! 
>
>Matt Goodman
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>For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have said "Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft were produced.? I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I ordered from told me discountinued.? I would have thought these would have sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people wanted them.
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:34:49 -0400
Subject: Samson/US warded pancake lock
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I am attempting to identify the uses and production dates for Samson/US
pancake locks.  Some of the limited research I performed suggests that these
locks may have had a use on railroads. The lock is circular, a little over
2" in diameter with a warded key on the bottom of the lock.  Smaller than
the typical heart shaped cast or pressed steel locks that were used for
switches, I wondered if this type of lock could be used to lock a box car?
Or secure a mailbag. A picture of the lock may be found at this location
http://www.antique-padlocks.com/panwdi_q-z.htm  This lock looks close to the
841 lock on this page.

 

Thanks for any help you may offer.  The lock was found in a "junk" box from
a home in Jefferson NC.

 

R.D. Williams, CEO

Ashe Memorial Hospital

200 Hospital Ave.

Jefferson, NC  28640

(336) 846-0790 office

(336) 846-0746 Fax

 

 



 

 

 

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:05:58 -0400
Subject: Samson/US warded pancake lock
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The N&W did use the "miller" style of pancake lock.  These were generally
used on signal relay boxes and other enclosures used by the signal
department.  Go see "Key, Lock and Lantern" which has followed railroad
locks for many years in this publication.

 

Gary Rolih

Secretary N&WHS 

 

 

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Subject: Samson/US warded pancake lock

 

I am attempting to identify the uses and production dates for Samson/US
pancake locks.  Some of the limited research I performed suggests that these
locks may have had a use on railroads. The lock is circular, a little over
2" in diameter with a warded key on the bottom of the lock.  Smaller than
the typical heart shaped cast or pressed steel locks that were used for
switches, I wondered if this type of lock could be used to lock a box car?
Or secure a mailbag. A picture of the lock may be found at this location
http://www.antique-padlocks.com/panwdi_q-z.htm  This lock looks close to the
841 lock on this page.

 

Thanks for any help you may offer.  The lock was found in a "junk" box from
a home in Jefferson NC.

 

R.D. Williams, CEO

Ashe Memorial Hospital

200 Hospital Ave.

Jefferson, NC  28640

(336) 846-0790 office

(336) 846-0746 Fax

 

 



 

 

 

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:02:31 -0400
Subject: Northwest Shortlines E2a
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I finally got the Brown Book out:

3 E-2a versions; 1912, 1920, 1940 . 250 were produced of the 1912 version, 500 of the 1920 version, and 500 of the 1940 version.  

The Brown book lists the builders as: 1912 and 1920 version being Orion and the 1940/50 version being Toho. My Dad had notes in the Brown Book crossing through the Orion and writing Toho (by chance I got my hands on his Brown Book out rather than mine).  I looked at the 1920 version and one the 1940/50 versions that I currently have and both had Toho on the plate under the drivers. The drives are identical.  I no longer have a 1912 version but I trust Dad's notes that it too was from Toho. I've worked on all 3 versions and remember nothing significantly different.  

The Brown Books also lists the 1940'/50 version being imported in 1971 and the 1912 and 1920 versions being imported in 1972.

Ed Painter Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR

 


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Subject: Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a

Matt:

Which version did you find?  The 1940 version representing 578 with large 
tender, or the 1910 version?  The reason I ask is that I don't think both 
versions came from the same maker in Japan.  I found the 1940's version to 
be a very reliable runner.  I had an issue with the crude castings for the 
headlight and classification lights, so I replaced them with Cal-scale 
parts.  These models were produced in 1972.

--Rick Morrison

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>
> I came across this early 70's model recently. Good timing as I was looking 
> for my first passenger steamer.
>
> I believe NWSL models are held general in high regard. Does anyone have 
> any experience with this particular model. This would be a runner, so I'm 
> especially curious about the quality and robustness of the running gear.
>
> Matt Goodman
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:36:19 -0400
Subject: Northwest Shortlines E2a
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I have 3 different versions of M-2's by PSC (I think PSC was your intent when you wrote PFM - PFM never produced M-2's).  Absolutely beautiful, magnificent models.  As for pulling ability like Matt's mine are very slippery with little ability to pull. (they're dogs)  I would  attribute this to 2 factors.  1. Lack of weight on the drivers and  2. the very smooth, slick surface condition of the driver tires.  The models don't have much weight on the drivers as Kurt discussed.  I plan to add weight to the boilers (as much as possible using lead wool) assuring I locate it such that it is equally distributed to all drivers.

Ed Painter - Narrows, VA  living in Russellville, AR

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:31 AM
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
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Matt,

The problem is probably lack of weight and it being unbalanced.  All my brass
is all from that era and I always had to add weight and balcance the loco fory
proper running.

Kurt S. Kramke


Jun 24, 2009 07:00:52 AM, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
Agreed on the comparison to the Pennsy and N&W E3.

Good to hear a consensus on the running quality.  I'm not old enough to know by first hand experience, but it sounds that late '60's / early 70's brass were generally built to be runners, as opposed to display (I have a recent PFM M2c that is beautiful, but won't pull a darn thing - I need to figure out why that is).

Roger, I didn't see your note initially due to the digest subject line - but based on your stated experience, perhaps you can answer the question regarding missing pieces I posted in another reply (I've used up enough bandwidth already!)

Matt Goodman

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:27:30 -0500 (CDT)
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Subject: Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a

I have owned many of these engines and have painted close to 25 of them for others. I have never found one that didn't run well. They can be noisy as the open gearbox tends to be noisy but every one I've had experience with was smooth running and well made. Toby did a good job on them. They were well detailed at the time they were introduced but some details are dated and could stand being replaced. The class lights are the worst detail as far as I'm concerned.

I personally think the E-2 class was a handsome engine and better looking than any Pennsy K4 or the N&W E-3.

Enjoy!
Roger Huber

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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:47:44 -0400
>From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>>
>Subject: Re: PCM/Broadway N&W CF Caboose in HO
>To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
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>It has been discussed before, the item has been canceled.  Apparently there
>were not enough orders.  I had one on order at my LHS for about forever, at
>least 2.5 years, whenever they were first announced.  If you check out there
>website, I believe the Caboose is no longer there.  The only good news is
>that it looks like in August the SD40-2 hi hood for N&W will be on the
>shelves.  Though I believe this item was originally announced in the fall of
>06.  So it took them almost three years.  Fortunately on both these items my
>LHS did not require a deposit (since I am a good customer) and he told me
>not to cancel the order.
>
>I split era's.  I love the diesel era of N&W but I do run steam on occasion,
>especially at shows.  Right before the CF caboose was announced, I picked up
>a brass Division Point, N&W caboose factory painted.  But since I have two
>steam freight engines I needed another one.  So, would check ebay from time
>to time and managed to snag two wooden kits, which are now on my to-do list.
>
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>From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>>
>Subject: Re: CF Cabooses
>To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>>
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>
>Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing.  So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility.
>
>Will that change my behavior?  Probably not.
>
>I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).  I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know!
>
>In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves!
>
>Matt Goodman
>
>On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:05 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
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>For those that didn't understand the message I apologize, it should have said "Can anyone tell me if the N&W cabooses by Precision Craft were produced.  I had 5 on order but Walthers says "sold out" and the place I ordered from told me discountinued.  I would have thought these would have sold well since most talk I have heard seemed that people wanted them.
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:19:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: M2c / Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a
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Thanks Ed, I certainly did mean PSC was the builder of one of my M2c's. Thanks for the correction!

The pulling power took a bigger hit than typical in turns. My observation the last time I ran it was that the drivers didn't have much lateral movement, which I theorized was *part* of the issue (making it "tight" in turns). If that's the case, my only solution will be a right of way realignment!

Matt Goodman

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I have 3 different versions of M-2's by PSC (I think PSC was your intent when you wrote PFM - PFM never produced M-2's).  Absolutely beautiful, magnificent models.  As for pulling ability like Matt's mine are very slippery with little ability to pull. (they're dogs)  I would  attribute this to 2 factors.  1. Lack of weight on the drivers and  2. the very smooth, slick surface condition of the driver tires.  The models don't have much weight on the drivers as Kurt discussed.  I plan to add weight to the boilers (as much as possible using lead wool) assuring I locate it such that it is equally distributed to all drivers.

 

Ed Painter - Narrows, VA  living in Russellville, AR

 

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Matt,

 

The problem is probably lack of weight and it being unbalanced.  All my brass

is all from that era and I always had to add weight and balcance the loco fory

proper running.

 

Kurt S. Kramke


Jun 24, 2009 07:00:52 AM, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org wrote:

Agreed on the comparison to the Pennsy and N&W E3.

Good to hear a consensus on the running quality.  I'm not old enough to know by first hand experience, but it sounds that late '60's / early 70's brass were generally built to be runners, as opposed to display (I have a recent PFM M2c that is beautiful, but won't pull a darn thing - I need to figure out why that is).

Roger, I didn't see your note initially due to the digest subject line - but based on your stated experience, perhaps you can answer the question regarding missing pieces I posted in another reply (I've used up enough bandwidth already!)

Matt Goodman

 

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:27:30 -0500 (CDT)
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Subject: Re: Northwest Shortlines E2a

I have owned many of these engines and have painted close to 25 of them for others. I have never found one that didn't run well. They can be noisy as the open gearbox tends to be noisy but every one I've had experience with was smooth running and well made. Toby did a good job on them. They were well detailed at the time they were introduced but some details are dated and could stand being replaced. The class lights are the worst detail as far as I'm concerned.

I personally think the E-2 class was a handsome engine and better looking than any Pennsy K4 or the N&W E-3.

Enjoy!
Roger Huber

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>Subject: Re: PCM/Broadway N&W CF Caboose in HO
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>It has been discussed before, the item has been canceled.  Apparently there
>were not enough orders.  I had one on order at my LHS for about forever, at
>least 2.5 years, whenever they were first announced.  If you check out there
>website, I believe the Caboose is no longer there.  The only good news is
>that it looks like in August the SD40-2 hi hood for N&W will be on the
>shelves.  Though I believe this item was originally announced in the fall of
>06.  So it took them almost three years.  Fortunately on both these items my
>LHS did not require a deposit (since I am a good customer) and he told me
>not to cancel the order.
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>I split era's.  I love the diesel era of N&W but I do run steam on occasion,
>especially at shows.  Right before the CF caboose was announced, I picked up
>a brass Division Point, N&W caboose factory painted.  But since I have two
>steam freight engines I needed another one.  So, would check ebay from time
>to time and managed to snag two wooden kits, which are now on my to-do list.
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>Charlie, I was also looking forward to these cabooses, but I've never bought into the pre-order thing.  So I guess indirectly I, and others like me, bear some responsibility. 
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>Will that change my behavior?  Probably not.  
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>I'm still a little perturbed with Broadway as on the back of the CF cancellation, they've recently gone silent on the USRA Light Pacific they'd been dangling (which was to serve as a stand in for an E2).  I hear they make good stuff, but as they keep cancelling everything I want, I may never know!
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>In the meantime, grab an AMB CF kit - not a built-up, but not hard either. And more importantly, they're actually on the shelves! 
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:59:27 -0400
Subject: 4 truck shay
Message-ID: <4A44E24F.7030702@phys.vt.edu>

I have just finished building a 4 truck shay after 20 years.
I am going to redo the tender to get one that looks better.

Kurt S. Kramke

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:18:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: 4 truck shay
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Looks good to me!
Charlie Long

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>I have just finished building a 4 truck shay after 20 years.
>I am going to redo the tender to get one that looks better.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:51:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 4 truck shay
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Thanks for sharing. This is one of those locos that is hard to justify the extra expense in brass, if you can even find one.
Mike Rector




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I have just finished building a 4 truck shay after 20 years.
I am going to redo the tender to get one that looks better.

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Wow!


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> Kurt S. Kramke
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:53:41 -0400
Subject: 4 truck shay
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Kurt,

Care to write an article for the Arrow?

Jim Brewer
N&WHS Modeling Editor
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  I am bringing it to the convention.

  Kurt


  Jun 26, 2009 04:15:33 PM, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org wrote:

    Thanks for sharing. This is one of those locos that is hard to justify the extra expense in brass, if you can even find one.
    Mike Rector




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    I have just finished building a 4 truck shay after 20 years.
    I am going to redo the tender to get one that looks better.

    Kurt S. Kramke

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:30:44 -0400
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Kurt,

That would be great.  Thanks.

Jim
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  JIm,

  I have been asked to write one for Scale Rails, the NMRA publication.  I should be able to write a different one for us.

  Kurt

  Jun 27, 2009 01:49:39 PM, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org wrote:

    ? 
    Kurt,

    Care to write an article for the Arrow?

    Jim Brewer
    N&WHS Modeling Editor
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      I am bringing it to the convention.

      Kurt


      Jun 26, 2009 04:15:33 PM, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org wrote:

        Thanks for sharing. This is one of those locos that is hard to justify the extra expense in brass, if you can even find one.
        Mike Rector




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        I have just finished building a 4 truck shay after 20 years.
        I am going to redo the tender to get one that looks better.

        Kurt S. Kramke

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jun 28 11:56:36 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:56:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Help with Steam Engine Decals
Message-ID: <592551.54740.qm@web23908.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


I bought several sets of N&W decals from Champ about a year ago. I spoke to the former proprietors wife, who stated that they are still in business and will remain so until most of the stock is sold off.  Apparently some vendors have been buying her stock then reselling it on Ebay, which she finds troubling. 

Matt

Sent from my phone

On Jun 14, 2009, at 5:34 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Mark,
BRH-46 shows on the Champ on-line list (bronze gold) as still available.
Dave West
Franklin Park IL

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Jun 13, 2009 6:45 PM
To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Help with Steam Engine Decals

I have recently acquired a few engines and stripped, aligned and  
painted them only to find that I had only one set of decals.  I model  
the pre-WWII era and have a need for up to 20 sets of the old Champ  
BRH-46 set they originally released in 1991.  The Microscale decals I  
had have disintegrated, and the Walthers set is mostly wrong.  I don't  
want to use Duluxe Yaller either.   I have a W-2 and M as well as a  
Y5, and a pile of Powerhouse Y3's to repaint and decal.  The  
Powerhouse bodies need a 4-5 day soak in Lacquer thinner to get the  
paint off but under that is fairly crisp detail.

Mark Lindsey
Stuck in the 1930's
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