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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Con-Cor PK Coaches
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Nigel: I went to the Con-Cor website and looked at the Pennsy cars. They are Great. N&W purchased these cars in 1934 for branch line trains including a number of such trains operation in the coal fields. The prime reason they were off the roster by 1949 was a general elimination of ?

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Con-Cor PK Coaches
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 PM



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Also, Mr. French's book states that they were acquired in 1934 and off the rooster by 1949.
?
Nigel 
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Page 73 of the Williamson Terminal book shows all 3 cars, PK coach, BMj RPO, and BPg combine, that N&W bought from Pennsy, the same 3 cars Con-Cor is doing.
?
Marty Flick
?
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I think they also bought some of the combines but I don't have my other references handy. If somebody else knows off hand please chip in.




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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:54:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Con-Cor PK Coaches
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Hi; 



They appear to be excellent models - fortunately or unfortunately, they fall outside my focus years, and thus I will not be purchasing any.? 



Nigel 
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Nigel: I went to the Con-Cor website and looked at the Pennsy cars. They are Great. N&W purchased these cars in 1934 for branch line trains including a number of such trains operation in the coal fields. The prime reason they were off the roster by 1949 was a general elimination of ? 

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> 
Subject: Re: Con-Cor PK Coaches 
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> 
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 PM 



Also, Mr. French's book states that they were acquired in 1934 and off the rooster by 1949. 

Nigel 
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Page 73 of the Williamson Terminal book shows all 3 cars, PK coach, BMj RPO, and BPg combine, that N&W bought from Pennsy, the same 3 cars Con-Cor is doing. 

Marty Flick 


I think they also bought some of the combines but I don't have my other references handy. If somebody else knows off hand please chip in. 







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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Tue Sep 15 21:35:01 2009
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:35:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Con-Cor PK Coaches
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Nigel: I don't know what happened to my reply to you earlier this afternoon. Only part of the first paragraph came through. What I was going to say was that with the elimination of many of the coal branch locals the cars all became surplus and were scraped. Con-Cor is offering each of the three types of car, i.e. coach, combine and RPO, in two car sets for $118.00. The "N&W" lettering is correct for the time period since the "N and W" was not adopted until 1949. I believe the cars will sell well and plan to buy a set of each type. 
?
????? For those looking for heavyweigth brass N&W cars, Division Point has just received the N&W M1 RPO and will be shipping out to dealers later this week. If you don't like the paint scheme you can blame me. 
?
????? The next N&W passenger car release will come in November from MTH. The five-car Powhatan Arrow train set will be offered for about $300 and extra coaches and diners will also be available for about $60 each. The pictures of the Arrow cars on the MTH website look great and I am sure they will sell out fast. 
?
????? The N&WHS has made several requests of Walthers to offer the Pullman Standard smoth-side?10-6 sleeper in Pennsy tuscan and stripping to match the three N&W county series S2 sleepers that were purchased in 1949. These cars operated on interline pullman routes between N&W and Pennsy. The RF&P also purchased three cars in Pennsy dress except for road name on the letterboard and car name at the same time. The RF&P?cars will be available for Walthers later this year. All I can say is that I must have been too aggresive with Walthers concerning the N&W cars as they keep postponing the N&W sleepers to some future run.?
?
?? All we N&W fans need now to complete our streamlined passenger cars are good models of PM coaches, as both coaches and lounges, and the S1 Budd built sleepers. 
?
?? While this fall is yielding some great N&W specific passenger cars, we need to keep pushing for the S2 sleepers from Walthers as well as look for a builder, or importer, for the Pm's and S2's.? Your model committee is keeping an eye out for?any interest by the manufacturing community.? Harold Davenport - Chairman Modeling Committee N&WHS?????????

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Con-Cor PK Coaches
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 6:54 PM



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Hi;
?
They appear to be excellent models - fortunately or unfortunately, they fall outside my focus years, and thus I will not be purchasing any.? 
?
Nigel
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Nigel: I went to the Con-Cor website and looked at the Pennsy cars. They are Great. N&W purchased these cars in 1934 for branch line trains including a number of such trains operation in the coal fields. The prime reason they were off the roster by 1949 was a general elimination of ?

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Con-Cor PK Coaches
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 PM



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Also, Mr. French's book states that they were acquired in 1934 and off the rooster by 1949.
?
Nigel 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nigelmisso 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Con-Cor PK Coaches


Page 73 of the Williamson Terminal book shows all 3 cars, PK coach, BMj RPO, and BPg combine, that N&W bought from Pennsy, the same 3 cars Con-Cor is doing.
?
Marty Flick
?
?
I think they also bought some of the combines but I don't have my other references handy. If somebody else knows off hand please chip in.




Brian Dembinski




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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:00:49 -0500
Subject: Con-Cor PK Coaches
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   All we N&W fans need now to complete our streamlined passenger cars are
good models of PM coaches, as both coaches and lounges, and the S1 Budd
built sleepers. 

 

   While this fall is yielding some great N&W specific passenger cars, we
need to keep pushing for the S2 sleepers from Walthers as well as look for a
builder, or importer, for the Pm's and S2's.  



	


Didn't you mean "a builder, or importer, for the Pm's and S1's" ?  Actually,
the S1's and brass sides for the S1's have been available in the past. (the
sides were from NKP Car)  And AMB Laser Kits did sides for the PM. I realize
these last two were not finished RTR cars, but they were kits of N&W
prototypes.      Jim Nichols

 

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Sep 16 11:12:01 2009
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Society efforts - Walthers
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I hope the society also requested N&W for N scale on the Walthers Pullman 10-6 (the N scale version was released last year)

Mark Peele
================================
N&W in N scale


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> ????? The N&WHS has made
> several requests of Walthers to offer the Pullman Standard
> smoth-side?10-6 sleeper in Pennsy tuscan and stripping
> to match the three N&W county series S2 sleepers that
> were purchased in 1949. These cars operated on interline
> pullman routes between N&W and Pennsy. The RF&P also
> purchased three cars in Pennsy dress except for road name on
> the letterboard and car name at the same time. The
> RF&P?cars will be available for Walthers later this
> year. All I can say is that I must have been too aggresive
> with Walthers concerning the N&W cars as they keep
> postponing the N&W sleepers to some future
> run.?


      

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:46:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Con-Cor PK Coaches
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Jim: You are correct. I have a bad habit of getting the two sleeper classes confused. I believe that it comes from the fact that the S2 sleepers were delivered before the S1 sleepers.? I also agree with you that there are laser kits for the PMs and brass sides for the S2?sleepers. I was not aware of brass sides for the S1's. I have two of the S1 brass cars imported by Sam Putney.??These cars have a scale fault with the roof line not coming down far enough on the side which yields a letter-board much wider than it should be.? Key imported some, what I call shell cars, PM coaches that were labeled Powhatan Arrow lounge cars. These shells make a great place to start building a good model of a PM but very few were available. ??SOHO also imported some PMs and P3s as converted to commuter service. The sides of these cars are under scale and the car thus sits too low. To make a good model you also have to reconstruct the vestibule. While brass imports
 are now very detailed they are also very expensive and of limited availability. The?plastic model market has now caught up to brass in detail and scale fidelity. Price has also increased but not on the same magnitude of brass.??Our plan has been to push models that are widely available and at reasonable prices. Whether they are kits or RTR has not been a stumbling point. Nor has been offering the cars through the Society or just on?general market.? We want to see good N&W models available to our N&W modelers via whatever route possible.? Harold
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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: RE: Con-Cor PK Coaches
To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 1:00 AM








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?? All we N&W fans need now to complete our streamlined passenger cars are good models of PM coaches, as both coaches and lounges, and the S1 Budd built sleepers. 

?

?? While this fall is yielding some great N&W specific passenger cars, we need to keep pushing for the S2 sleepers from Walthers as well as look for a builder, or importer, for the Pm's and S2's.? 










Didn?t you mean ?a builder, or importer, for the Pm?s and S1?s? ?? Actually, the S1?s and brass sides for the S1?s have been available in the past. (the sides were from NKP Car) ?And AMB Laser Kits did sides for the PM. I realize these last two were not finished RTR cars, but they were kits of N&W prototypes.????? Jim Nichols
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Right on, Harold!  The MTH cars look very good, and considering the detail, the price is not bad. On the web site, they seem to be confused between pictures of the P1 and numbers for the P3. Fortunately, the models are all correct. Was aware of the roof line problem on the Roanoke Rails S1?s, but putting the paint part line and the gold stripe in the proper location helps a lot. The NKP car sides were done several years ago at my suggestion, and may not be still available. They also had a core kit with Budd roof to fit the sides, but I don?t know if they also made the scale fault as I have not examined an actual kit. The Walthers 10 and 6 also makes the same mistake. On my kitbash, I correct this with paint. People don?t seem to understand that Budd?s postwar production dropped the transition from roof to letterboard, so that it was a little lower than on PS and ACF cars.    Jim Nichols

 

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Jim: You are correct. I have a bad habit of getting the two sleeper classes confused. I believe that it comes from the fact that the S2 sleepers were delivered before the S1 sleepers.  I also agree with you that there are laser kits for the PMs and brass sides for the S2 sleepers. I was not aware of brass sides for the S1's. I have two of the S1 brass cars imported by Sam Putney.  These cars have a scale fault with the roof line not coming down far enough on the side which yields a letter-board much wider than it should be.  Key imported some, what I call shell cars, PM coaches that were labeled Powhatan Arrow lounge cars. These shells make a great place to start building a good model of a PM but very few were available.   SOHO also imported some PMs and P3s as converted to commuter service. The sides of these cars are under scale and the car thus sits too low. To make a good model you also have to reconstruct the vestibule. While brass imports are now very detailed they are also very expensive and of limited availability. The plastic model market has now caught up to brass in detail and scale fidelity. Price has also increased but not on the same magnitude of brass.  Our plan has been to push models that are widely available and at reasonable prices. Whether they are kits or RTR has not been a stumbling point. Nor has been offering the cars through the Society or just on general market.  We want to see good N&W models available to our N&W modelers via whatever route possible.  Harold

 
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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: RE: Con-Cor PK Coaches
To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 1:00 AM

 

 

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. 

 

   All we N&W fans need now to complete our streamlined passenger cars are good models of PM coaches, as both coaches and lounges, and the S1 Budd built sleepers. 

 

   While this fall is yielding some great N&W specific passenger cars, we need to keep pushing for the S2 sleepers from Walthers as well as look for a builder, or importer, for the Pm's and S2's.  

	


Didn?t you mean ?a builder, or importer, for the Pm?s and S1?s? ?  Actually, the S1?s and brass sides for the S1?s have been available in the past. (the sides were from NKP Car)  And AMB Laser Kits did sides for the PM. I realize these last two were not finished RTR cars, but they were kits of N&W prototypes.      Jim Nichols

 


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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Sep 16 21:48:41 2009
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:48:41 -0400
Subject: N&W 2-8-0 #6 at Roanoke - a question or two
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One project down, and I'm already casting about for another.  Never mind 
that I have far too many projects in too many scales as it is..

One option is a model of #6 in the museum at Roanoke.  It occurs to me 
that it would be a perfect fit for my needs operationally, the prototype 
is handy, and I think the MDC 2-8-0 would be a good starting point in HO 
scale.  Now all I have to do is learn more about the engine.

First off, then, can anybody point me to plans, dimensions, drawings, 
more photos, history, etc. of this or a similar locomotive?  Aside from 
the dimensions, some sort of synopsis of when and where these engines 
were used would be nice.

Second, and very specifically, I noticed that the steam dome had a 
vertical plate, about 8-10" wide and maybe 24" tall in roughly the 9 
o'clock position, and I've never seen anything like it before.  It looks 
like some sort of mounting point, but I cannot imagine what would have 
been mounted there.  Can anybody say what it was for?

Thanks,
Kenneth Rickman
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#6 is a Class G steam locomotive.  Go to "Search Our Archives" on the nwhs
website home page and see the entire listing of drawings for the G Class
loco.  Order drawings by sending your list to archives at nwhs.org.  The
archives Volunteers will process your request in 6-8 weeks.  Prices are on a
link on the drawing list page.

Gary Rolih
Secretary N&WHS

 
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Subject: N&W 2-8-0 #6 at Roanoke - a question or two

One project down, and I'm already casting about for another.  Never mind 
that I have far too many projects in too many scales as it is..

One option is a model of #6 in the museum at Roanoke.  It occurs to me 
that it would be a perfect fit for my needs operationally, the prototype 
is handy, and I think the MDC 2-8-0 would be a good starting point in HO 
scale.  Now all I have to do is learn more about the engine.

First off, then, can anybody point me to plans, dimensions, drawings, 
more photos, history, etc. of this or a similar locomotive?  Aside from 
the dimensions, some sort of synopsis of when and where these engines 
were used would be nice.

Second, and very specifically, I noticed that the steam dome had a 
vertical plate, about 8-10" wide and maybe 24" tall in roughly the 9 
o'clock position, and I've never seen anything like it before.  It looks 
like some sort of mounting point, but I cannot imagine what would have 
been mounted there.  Can anybody say what it was for?

Thanks,
Kenneth Rickman
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Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com
Salisbury, NC

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Sep 17 15:20:45 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:20:45 -0500
Subject: N&W 2-8-0 #6 at Roanoke - a question or two
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Actually a G1, although the visible differences are slight. Boiler pressure
appears to have been the basic difference. Number 6 was one of four G1's
which had run for a time on the Virginia-Carolina (later N&W), where they
received numbers 4 through 7. When they became N&W engines again in 1920,
they kept their VC numbers. 6 and 7 ended up working out of Bluefield for
use on the Honaker branch of the Clinch Valley line. The tenders were not
the ones they were built with (possibly hand-me-downs from M1's). Twin #7 is
at Bluefield City Park, and could use some tender loving care.    Jim
Nichols

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Subject: RE: N&W 2-8-0 #6 at Roanoke - a question or two

#6 is a Class G steam locomotive.  Go to "Search Our Archives" on the nwhs
website home page and see the entire listing of drawings for the G Class
loco.  Order drawings by sending your list to archives at nwhs.org.  The
archives Volunteers will process your request in 6-8 weeks.  Prices are on a
link on the drawing list page.

Gary Rolih
Secretary N&WHS



From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Sep 20 23:37:55 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Review: N Scale Atlas 100 ton 3 bay hopper in "late steam" lettering
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Message-ID: <700826.44964.qm@web38707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I recently received a pair of Atlas "90 Ton" hoppers done up in N&W "late steam era' lettering. In 1963 N&W began production of the H11a class of open hoppers. I am pretty sure the N&W H11a through H11e hopper is the prototype for both the Atlas model I am reviewing here and the Micro-Trains 100 ton three bay hopper. These hoppers were initially rated at 95 tons, but were later re-rated to 100 tons.

When production began, N&W was still using on it's hoppers what was basically the same scheme they adopted in 1951 - a large 24" "N&W" with roman style lettering in other respects.

N&W built over 22,000 of this style hopper for use in hauling coal. The overwhelming majority were painted in the "hamburger" scheme adopted at the end of 1963 as shown on this earlier Atlas release:

[img]http://www.atlastrainman.com/Images/NFreight/n90ton/0407/40453A_TQ.jpg[/img]

Not many of the over 22,000 built wore the late steam era scheme. On page 65 of the N&W Color Guide to Freight And Passenger Equipment there's a pic of 92464 in the "steam scheme", so we can safely conclude that 92000 thru 92464 were in the same "steam" scheme. By the time 92863 was built they were painting them in the "hamburger" scheme (pic in Dow's book).

Here's a pic of car #92000 from the Virginia Tech Image Database:

[img]http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns2125.jpeg[/img]


Here's a pic of #92001 with some other equipment:

[IMG]http://i35.tinypic.com/3321fh3.jpg[/IMG]

Atlas once again nailed the scheme and have released the hopper in road # 92001 and # 92090(as they did on #s 12000 and 12009 in the "hamburger" scheme a year or two ago). The "N&W" is the proper scale 24" tall and all other lettering appears to match up to the prototype as well.

Mark

I recently received a pair of Atlas "90 Ton" hoppers done up in N&W "late steam era' lettering. In 1963 N&W began production of the H11a class of open hoppers. I am pretty sure the N&W H11a through H11e hopper is the prototype for both the Atlas model I am reviewing here and the Micro-Trains 100 ton three bay hopper. These hoppers were initially rated at 95 tons, but were later re-rated to 100 tons.

When production began, N&W was still using on it's hoppers what was basically the same scheme they adopted in 1951 - a large 24" "N&W" with roman style lettering in other respects.

N&W built over 22,000 of this style hopper for use in hauling coal. The overwhelming majority were painted in the "hamburger" scheme adopted at the end of 1963 as shown on this earlier Atlas release:

http://www.atlastrainman.com/Images/NFreight/n90ton/0407/40453A_TQ.jpg

Not many of the over 22,000 built wore the late steam era scheme. On page 65 of the N&W Color Guide to Freight And Passenger Equipment there's a pic of 92464 in the "steam scheme", so we can safely conclude that 92000 thru 92464 were in the same "steam" scheme. By the time 92863 was built they were painting them in the "hamburger" scheme (pic in Dow's book).

Here's a pic of car #92000 from the Virginia Tech Image Database:

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns2125.jpeg


Here's a pic of #92001 (the Atlas model) with some other equipment:

http://tinypic.com/r/3321fh3/4

Atlas once again nailed the scheme and have released the hopper in road # 92001 and # 92090(as they did on #s 12000 and 12009 in the "hamburger" scheme a year or two ago). The "N&W" is the proper scale 24" tall and all other lettering appears to match up to the prototype as well.

Mark Peele, Maryland
================================
N&W in N scale