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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:11:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Review: N Scale Atlas 100 ton 3 bay hopper in "late steam"
	lettering
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Mark, 



Thanks for the review; are you able to take high resolution photos for use in the Arrow?? Just let me know; don't send them to me; we use a ftp site to upload stuff to for Kevin to download, rather than sending high res stuff through email.? Thanks again. 



Jim 


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Subject: Review: N Scale Atlas 100 ton 3 bay hopper in "late steam" lettering 

I recently received a pair of Atlas "90 Ton" hoppers done up in N&W "late steam era' lettering. In 1963 N&W began production of the H11a class of open hoppers. I am pretty sure the N&W H11a through H11e hopper is the prototype for both the Atlas model I am reviewing here and the Micro-Trains 100 ton three bay hopper. These hoppers were initially rated at 95 tons, but were later re-rated to 100 tons. 

When production began, N&W was still using on it's hoppers what was basically the same scheme they adopted in 1951 - a large 24" "N&W" with roman style lettering in other respects. 

N&W built over 22,000 of this style hopper for use in hauling coal. The overwhelming majority were painted in the "hamburger" scheme adopted at the end of 1963 as shown on this earlier Atlas release: 

[img]http://www.atlastrainman.com/Images/NFreight/n90ton/0407/40453A_TQ.jpg[/img] 

Not many of the over 22,000 built wore the late steam era scheme. On page 65 of the N&W Color Guide to Freight And Passenger Equipment there's a pic of 92464 in the "steam scheme", so we can safely conclude that 92000 thru 92464 were in the same "steam" scheme. By the time 92863 was built they were painting them in the "hamburger" scheme (pic in Dow's book). 

Here's a pic of car #92000 from the Virginia Tech Image Database: 

[img]http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns2125.jpeg[/img] 


Here's a pic of #92001 with some other equipment: 

[IMG]http://i35.tinypic.com/3321fh3.jpg[/IMG] 

Atlas once again nailed the scheme and have released the hopper in road # 92001 and # 92090(as they did on #s 12000 and 12009 in the "hamburger" scheme a year or two ago). The "N&W" is the proper scale 24" tall and all other lettering appears to match up to the prototype as well. 

Mark 

I recently received a pair of Atlas "90 Ton" hoppers done up in N&W "late steam era' lettering. In 1963 N&W began production of the H11a class of open hoppers. I am pretty sure the N&W H11a through H11e hopper is the prototype for both the Atlas model I am reviewing here and the Micro-Trains 100 ton three bay hopper. These hoppers were initially rated at 95 tons, but were later re-rated to 100 tons. 

When production began, N&W was still using on it's hoppers what was basically the same scheme they adopted in 1951 - a large 24" "N&W" with roman style lettering in other respects. 

N&W built over 22,000 of this style hopper for use in hauling coal. The overwhelming majority were painted in the "hamburger" scheme adopted at the end of 1963 as shown on this earlier Atlas release: 

http://www.atlastrainman.com/Images/NFreight/n90ton/0407/40453A_TQ.jpg 

Not many of the over 22,000 built wore the late steam era scheme. On page 65 of the N&W Color Guide to Freight And Passenger Equipment there's a pic of 92464 in the "steam scheme", so we can safely conclude that 92000 thru 92464 were in the same "steam" scheme. By the time 92863 was built they were painting them in the "hamburger" scheme (pic in Dow's book). 

Here's a pic of car #92000 from the Virginia Tech Image Database: 

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns2125.jpeg 


Here's a pic of #92001 (the Atlas model) with some other equipment: 

http://tinypic.com/r/3321fh3/4 

Atlas once again nailed the scheme and have released the hopper in road # 92001 and # 92090(as they did on #s 12000 and 12009 in the "hamburger" scheme a year or two ago). The "N&W" is the proper scale 24" tall and all other lettering appears to match up to the prototype as well. 

Mark Peele, Maryland 
================================ 
N&W in N scale 




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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:13:35 -0400
Subject: YARD LAYOUT
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Hi Folks

 

Been searching the books and newsletters for a typical N&W engine servicing layout.  In Norfolk & Western Handbook found one for Williamson on p 120 but would appreciate any pointers of another for comparison and a bit more detail.

 

Many thanks!

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:30:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: YARD LAYOUT
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Ed, 



You should search the archives at www.nwhs.org and look for track charts/maps of various yards on the system; some are very detailed as to engine terminal and facilities, etc. 



Jim Brewer 

Glenwood MD 


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Hi Folks 
? 
Been searching the books and newsletters for a typical N&W engine servicing layout.? In Norfolk & Western Handbook found one for Williamson on p 120 but would appreciate any pointers of another for comparison and a bit more detail. 
? 
Many thanks! 

Ed Svitil 








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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Sep 24 12:22:05 2009
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:22:05 -0400
Subject: YARD LAYOUT
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The best I've seen for an engine terminal is in "The Norfolk And Western Class J" by Ken Miller.  Pages 52-53 have a great diagram of Shaffers Crossing in Roanoke.  The Richard Prince book also has a diagram of Portsmouth on page 90.

Marty Flick
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  Hi Folks
   
  Been searching the books and newsletters for a typical N&W engine servicing layout.  In Norfolk & Western Handbook found one for Williamson on p 120 but would appreciate any pointers of another for comparison and a bit more detail.
   
  Many thanks!

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Sep 24 13:18:49 2009
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:18:49 -0400
Subject: YARD LAYOUT
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Marty

 

Perfect!  The text and pictures are even better!

 

Thanks to you and Jim (archives) for your help - now all I got to do is build it!

Ed Svitil


 


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Subject: Re: YARD LAYOUT
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:22:05 -0400
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The best I've seen for an engine terminal is in "The Norfolk And Western Class J" by Ken Miller.  Pages 52-53 have a great diagram of Shaffers Crossing in Roanoke.  The Richard Prince book also has a diagram of Portsmouth on page 90.
 
Marty Flick

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Hi Folks
 
Been searching the books and newsletters for a typical N&W engine servicing layout.  In Norfolk & Western Handbook found one for Williamson on p 120 but would appreciate any pointers of another for comparison and a bit more detail.
 
Many thanks!

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Sep 24 15:18:17 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Review: N Scale Atlas 100 ton 3 bay hopper in "late steam"
	lettering
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Is this Jim Brewer? If so I think your email is in the Arrow, and I will contact you directly.

Mark Peele
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N&W in N scale


--- On Wed, 9/23/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: Review: N Scale Atlas 100 ton 3 bay hopper in "late steam" lettering
> To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 7:11 AM
> #yiv1579619122 p
> {margin:0;}Mark,
> ?
> Thanks for the review; are you able to take high
> resolution photos for use in the Arrow?? Just let me
> know; don't send them to me; we use a ftp site to upload
> stuff to for Kevin to download, rather than sending high res
> stuff through email.? Thanks again.
> ?
> Jim
> 


      

From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Thu Sep 24 14:21:29 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:21:29 -0400
Subject: YARD LAYOUT
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Thanks Gentlemen

I worked particularly hard on that map and chapter, spending an  
inordinate amount of time cleaning up that drawing. It is nice to  
know someone appreciates it. I also specifically laid the book out so  
that it would not have a portion fall in the gutter so that if  
someone wanted to copy and put the pieces together, they would not  
lose information as happens so many times.

Shaffers is a huge complex and I'd love to see a model of it.

The drawing in the book actually was part of a larger section,  
probably another foot or two on each end. It was part of a  
presentation C.E. Pond, GM of Motive Power presented to the  
Locomotive Maintenance Officers Association about 1949. There is also  
a drawing of Williamson in the paper. I do not recall directly, but I  
think there was also a drawing of Winston-Salem, NC as an example of  
a smaller locomotive terminal.

Ken Miller

On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:18 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:

> Marty
>
> Perfect!  The text and pictures are even better!
>
> Thanks to you and Jim (archives) for your help - now all I got to  
> do is build it!
>
> Ed Svitil
>
>
>
> To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> Subject: Re: YARD LAYOUT
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:22:05 -0400
> From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
>
> The best I've seen for an engine terminal is in "The Norfolk And  
> Western Class J" by Ken Miller.  Pages 52-53 have a great diagram  
> of Shaffers Crossing in Roanoke.  The Richard Prince book also has  
> a diagram of Portsmouth on page 90.
>
> Marty Flick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: NW Modeling List
> To: NW Modeling
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: YARD LAYOUT
>
> Hi Folks
>
> Been searching the books and newsletters for a typical N&W engine  
> servicing layout.  In Norfolk & Western Handbook found one for  
> Williamson on p 120 but would appreciate any pointers of another  
> for comparison and a bit more detail.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Ed Svitil
>
>
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Don't know that you can recognize it, but Portsmouth's service facility

had a drawback.? At most points, diesels could be fueled, watered

and sanded at one point.? At Portsmouth, after fuel and water was

taken, the hostler had to respot units (west of the fuel dock as I recall)

to take sand.? Harry Bundy???



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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sat Sep 26 14:51:46 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:51:46 -0400
Subject: Division Point N&W passenger cars
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DP update.

 

By now dealers have received an invoice for the RPO car. The RPO was a
"test" for the builder (a 1-1/2 person shop) who had not done any passenger
cars before.  In order to keep the builder from having to up-scale staff,
and to give the end customers a break in this economy, cars will be produced
a 3-month intervals. Up next is the baggage car and the business cars.  BTW,
the #101 business car in Tuscan has been added.
If anyone still needs RPO's, I know where they are available, email me.

Stephen Rineair

crineair at fuse.net

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Sep 27 12:56:24 2009
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:56:24 +0100
Subject: VGN PASSENGERCARS
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Does anyone on the list have information about a planned run of Vgn  
brass passenger cars in HO ? any information appreciated.  Peter  
North, Norfolk, England

From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Sep 27 09:55:00 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:55:00 EDT
Subject: Division Point N&W passenger cars
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I'm late getting into this string.  Can you give me info on these cars  - 
hopefully including photos ?
 
Thanks for your help. Have a happy day.
 
Neil K Yerger 
 
_audreyly at aol.com_ (mailto:audreyly at aol.com) 
 
 
In a message dated 9/26/2009 10:10:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes:

 
DP  update. 
By now dealers have received  an invoice for the RPO car. The RPO was a 
"test" for the builder (a 1-1/2  person shop) who had not done any passenger 
cars before.  In order to  keep the builder from having to up-scale staff, and 
to give the end customers  a break in this economy, cars will be produced a 
3-month intervals. Up next is  the baggage car and the business cars.  BTW, 
the #101 business car in  Tuscan has been added.
If anyone still needs RPO?s, I know where they are  available, email me. 
Stephen  Rineair 
crineair at fuse.net


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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:17:04 +0000
Subject: Division Point N&W passenger cars
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Go to Divisionpoint.com. I spoke to Ken Friday, and he has 30 RPO's available. Order direct from them, $448.00 each. John
 


Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:55:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Division Point N&W passenger cars
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org


I'm late getting into this string.  Can you give me info on these cars - hopefully including photos ?
 
Thanks for your help. Have a happy day.
 
Neil K Yerger 
 
audreyly at aol.com
 

In a message dated 9/26/2009 10:10:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes:


DP update.
 
By now dealers have received an invoice for the RPO car. The RPO was a "test" for the builder (a 1-1/2 person shop) who had not done any passenger cars before.  In order to keep the builder from having to up-scale staff, and to give the end customers a break in this economy, cars will be produced a 3-month intervals. Up next is the baggage car and the business cars.  BTW, the #101 business car in Tuscan has been added.
If anyone still needs RPO?s, I know where they are available, email me.
Stephen Rineair
crineair at fuse.net

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Sep 27 20:19:10 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:19:10 -0400
Subject: VGN PASSENGERCARS
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The Division Point Virginian Cars are on hold/cancelled due to lack of
orders.
If they get more reservations/request they will do them. That's only three
(3) cars fellas!
Stephen Rineair


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Subject: VGN PASSENGERCARS

Does anyone on the list have information about a planned run of Vgn  
brass passenger cars in HO ? any information appreciated.  Peter  
North, Norfolk, England
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