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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:22:52 +0000
Subject: PAINT AND PASSENGER CARS, now Jawn Hewnry
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By Jove! Another Englishman here!

Greetings Peter, from Pinner.

In other railway email groups there are periodical discussions about the 'correct' shade of paint. The eventual consensus  seems to be that it depends on paint batch, lighting, undercoat, degree of weathering and the environmental conditions in which the painting was done, to name just a few items.

Does anybody know of plans by anyone to do a model of Jawn Henry?


Barry Reeves
Songwriter & Musician
www.northwestlondonblues.co.uk




> To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> Subject: PAINT AND PASSENGER CARS
> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:23:40 +0100
> From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> 
> As someone else who is "just a Vgn guy" I thought Marty Scwartz'  
> comments concerning passenger car colours very sane.  Perhaps some of  
> the  energy created by this discussion could be directed at someone to  
> producing  a Vgn PA (I'd paid my deposit) the passenger cars to match  
> (ditto) and seeing if Rich Yoder would consider again an HO battleship  
> gondola.  In the meantime I have seen a photograph or two of an MB  
> with a passenger train and I've made that compromise, pulling an  
> Athearn baggage/RPO detailed with some extra bits and the Walthers PS  
> heavyweight coach. As an idea, has anyone thought of producing  car  
> ends to use on the Walthers  coaches?
> 
> Peter North
> Norfolk, England 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Oct 19 08:09:20 2009
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:09:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PAINT AND PASSENGER CARS, now Jawn Hewnry
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Division Point seems to be starting a project to produce. Look at their site.
http://www.divisionpoint.com/N+W_JH.html
Mike Rector




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Does anybody know of plans by anyone to do a model of Jawn Henry?


Barry Reeves
Songwriter & Musician
www.northwestlondonblues.co.uk




> To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> Subject: PAINT AND PASSENGER CARS
> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:23:40 +0100
> From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> 
> As someone else who is "just a Vgn guy" I thought Marty Scwartz' 
> comments concerning passenger car colours very sane.  Perhaps some of 
> the  energy created by this discussion could be directed at someone to 
> producing  a Vgn PA (I'd paid my deposit) the passenger cars to match 
> (ditto) and seeing if Rich Yoder would consider again an HO battleship 
> gondola.  In the meantime I have seen a photograph or two of an MB 
> with a passenger train and I've made that compromise, pulling an 
> Athearn baggage/RPO detailed with some extra bits and the Walthers PS 
> heavyweight coach. As an idea, has anyone thought of producing  car 
> ends to use on the Walthers  coaches?
> 
> Peter North
> Norfolk, England 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Oct 19 08:06:27 2009
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: DP Passenger Cars
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Ahh... another with my favorite description of N&W Tuscan Red: "Tomato Soup"
Look at every video.... this is what you see.  If manufacturers' models
were painted to look like tomato soup, that would be much closer than we often see.
Too many come out Caboose Red or PRR "Maroon"

Mike Rector

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?  
"I do have the reference for the Tuscan Red specified 
for the SD40 and C30-7?s that were painted in Tuscan.   This 
isDUCO 282-93520 Tuscan Red which is an 
automotive/industrial paint code."
 
"Why are we making things so difficult."
 
    One reason would be because the 
SD40 & C30-7 color is a metallic that has a purple tint vs the tomato soup 
of the non-metallic earlier years. Personally, I can't stand the 
metallic.
    I would suggest that the name "Model 
Car World Automotive Finishes" in Burlington, NC be kept in mind. He might be 
able to produce a good match if a color could be settled upon.
Jimmy Lisle


      
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Oct 19 11:09:57 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:09:57 -0400
Subject: PAINT AND PASSENGER CARS,
Message-ID: <4ADC8145.4010800@vt.edu>

Moderator agrees with Ed. The Tuscan red horse is now dead. No more paint
discussions will be posted for at least a week. :-)

- Moderator

> Haven't we just about flogged this dead horse to pieces?
> 
> Here it is:  It's YOUR train room with YOUR lighting.  Select the paint that looks right to YOUR eyes and use it.  If someone comes in and tells you it isn't right, you just don't invite him to come back.
> 
> EdKing





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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:06:02 +0000
Subject: The Book: Norfolk&Western's "Y Class Articulated Steam Locomotives
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Is this a re-print of Warden's 1993 book? I see on the cover the wording that it's "based" on Warden's book. Any reviews or comparisons yet?
             Don Yelverton
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Oct 19 12:17:14 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:17:14 -0400
Subject: The Book: Norfolk&Western's "Y Class Articulated Steam Locomotives
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"Is this a re-print of Warden's 1993 book? I see on the cover the wording that it's "based" on Warden's book. Any reviews or comparisons yet?
             Don Yelverton"

>From a previous post;

"How much extra text is added from the original book? I have the first one and don't want 
to duplicate copies if not needed. Thanks. 
Brian"

Brian,
    The new book is completely different in that it has much more text and twice the pages. 
    That said and depending on what books you already have in your library, text wise, there is nothing ground shaking in the new book. At times I found the explanations confusing or at least not very clear. 
    There are a number of different photos added and some left out ( and at least one mislabeled ). A couple of nice HO scale drawings by Bob Hundman grace the inside covers.
     I would suggest that you look the book over for yourself, then decide. 
    As long as I'm handing out my two cents, the definative Y Class book is yet to be written. Something along the lines of Ed King's "A" or Huddleston's "Allegheny" is in order.  

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:44:38 -0500 (CDT)
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Tue Oct 20 21:05:35 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:05:35 -0400
Subject: MTH HO J
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To those of you that have purchased the MTH HO J, what is your opinion as to the quality, performance and appearance of the model?  Without starting another discussion of the proper shade of Tuscan Red, is the color on the model within the ballpark of acceptable assuming that it will be the same color MTH applies to their passenger cars?  Does anyone know if the cars will be "reasonably" accurate and worth purchasing?  I understand from the company that the cars have been delayed until Spring of 2010.  Thank you.

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Oct 21 10:48:23 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:48:23 +0000
Subject: MTH HO J
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I have heard from the rumor mills that the maroon stripe on the prototype is not correct. True or false? Does not make a difference to me on the model as long as it is close. I have the rivarossi cars and they look great behind the MTH, my overland brass and my broadway limited models. Do they match? No but they look good behind them.

Jon
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

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Subject: MTH HO J

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Oct 21 08:47:49 2009
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:47:49 -0400
Subject: MTH HO J
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Carl:

The mth J is the BLI J won in a lawsuit with a higher price and a
proprietary system that you will not use, unless you by their system.

The BLI J is very correct and smoke can be added (easy install) for less
than the mth J.

Don't waste your money! As far as the cars are concerned, the photos are in
fact brass models, not their production run.

Stephen Rineair

 

Note: mth is again suing BLI over synchronized smoke and chuff, sound and
motion filed on Oct 9, in the District Court in Baltimore per Maryland Daily
Recorder.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:06 PM
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Subject: MTH HO J

 

To those of you that have purchased the MTH HO J, what is your opinion as to
the quality, performance and appearance of the model?  Without starting
another discussion of the proper shade of Tuscan Red, is the color on the
model within the ballpark of acceptable assuming that it will be the same
color MTH applies to their passenger cars?  Does anyone know if the cars
will be "reasonably" accurate and worth purchasing?  I understand from the
company that the cars have been delayed until Spring of 2010.  Thank you.

 

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Oct 21 13:07:03 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Decals for N&W HC69/70, HC71, and HC12 in HO & N
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Decals By Daniel Kohlberg.

These are are new to me (I'm in N scale), available in HO and N:

http://paducah.home.mindspring.com/index.htm (scroll down to the bottom).

The HC12 also covers exNKP and Wabash cars.

Mark Peele
Catonsville, MD



      

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:24:01 -0500
Subject: MTH HO J
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Message-ID: <C704ADE1.6561%stacy.m.lindsey@nasa.gov>

How could the BLI vs MTH lawsuit have ended up like that?   Did BLI actually steal technology/mechanical stuff from MTH?

I don't understand why MTH thinks ANY of their steam engines are so accurate when they don't even blacken the axle ends or metal wheels.  Their stuff looks too much like a toy for me to ever give them any serious consideration.

Mark Lindsey
Stuck in the 1930's
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On 10/21/09 8:47 AM, "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Carl:
The mth J is the BLI J won in a lawsuit with a higher price and a proprietary system that you will not use, unless you by their system.
The BLI J is very correct and smoke can be added (easy install) for less than the mth J.
Don't waste your money! As far as the cars are concerned, the photos are in fact brass models, not their production run.
Stephen Rineair

Note: mth is again suing BLI over synchronized smoke and chuff, sound and motion filed on Oct 9, in the District Court in Baltimore per Maryland Daily Recorder.


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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:06 PM
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Subject: MTH HO J


To those of you that have purchased the MTH HO J, what is your opinion as to the quality, performance and appearance of the model?  Without starting another discussion of the proper shade of Tuscan Red, is the color on the model within the ballpark of acceptable assuming that it will be the same color MTH applies to their passenger cars?  Does anyone know if the cars will be "reasonably" accurate and worth purchasing? I understand from the company that the cars have been delayed until Spring of 2010.  Thank you.



Carl Miller

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Oct 21 15:24:47 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:24:47 -0400
Subject: MTH HO J
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I have owned at least one of every non-brass N&W J offered over the last 25 years except for the MTH.  My Broadway J is not perfect, but it is my favorite.  The blend of pulling power, detail rendering and the sound system best satisfy the operating criteria for my layout, which at this time is still DC powered.  The Spectrum J is not a bad model either, but it does not handle the grades on my layout as well as the Broadway.   The MTH J looks very nice and it may "do more", but the operating characteristics (high DC voltage and DCS) are deal busters for me.  Unless something changes with the operating traits of these MTH engines, I doubt ever buying one in the future.  It would have to be something really unbelievable . . .Z1b, Jawn Henry, S1a?  I don't know.

 

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Oct 21 18:19:14 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:19:14 -0400
Subject: MTH HO J
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Message-ID: <0AA1992ED0F54F6F96B83DBE1D1FB31E@Jimmy>

A saw this model reviewed in MRN. My question is, why can't they get the bullet nose correct? By that I mean, there is too much room from where the bullet ends and the actual boiler and skyline casing begins.

I'm out of HO now, but, MTH lost my locomotive money when they came out with that stupid DCS. 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Oct 21 16:48:27 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:48:27 -0400
Subject: MTH HO J
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I have an MTH J. I also have two BLI's. Detail wise, I'd give the edge to the BLI's, but both of my BLI's have experienced running issues after just a couple of hours. I've run the MTH around the club layout for many hours and it has yet to fail. I program all of my locos on my NCE powercab system but run them using digitrax on the club layout. True, you can't access all of the features without the DCS system, however I can still access most of the features from my DT400 throttle. The most annoying aspect  is that sometimes if the system glitches you have to stop the train, do and toggle F3 to get the sound going again. One thing that is a hit...the announcements you can access using F4. Kids at shows love the Conductor calls. 

I guess I'm not that picky....I like them all. 

Steve Seward
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  Subject: MTH HO J


  To those of you that have purchased the MTH HO J, what is your opinion as to the quality, performance and appearance of the model?  Without starting another discussion of the proper shade of Tuscan Red, is the color on the model within the ballpark of acceptable assuming that it will be the same color MTH applies to their passenger cars?  Does anyone know if the cars will be "reasonably" accurate and worth purchasing?  I understand from the company that the cars have been delayed until Spring of 2010.  Thank you.

  Carl Miller


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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Oct 25 17:38:20 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:38:20 -0400
Subject: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj
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Ed:

What is the Scalecoat item # for the PRR Tuscan Red that you use?

Stephen

 

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Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:46 PM
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj

 

Harold,
 
So as we go in circles about what are the right shades for N&W colors and the ongoing problem with model manufactures using inconsistent colors when painting their models?????.
 
What I did back in the 70's when I was doing a lot of brass (and plastic) painting was to choose "my" N&W standard colors from available paints at that time. For N&W Red I used Scalecoat PRR #14 Caboose Red (Scalecoat wasn't producing N&W Red at that time) and for Pevler Blue I used Scalecoat AT&SF #24 Blue . When Scalecoat II became available both these colors were also produced in Scalecoat II.  I continue to use these Scalecoat colors as my standards for painting N&W equipment today.
 
We need to have N&W standard paints/colors for the following?
 
Passenger Red 
Roof Brown
Pevler Blue
Cab (caboose) Red
MofW Green
MofW Gray
Others?
 
So why couldn't the N&WHS Modeling Committee evaluate currently available model railroad paints and select a best matching color for each N&W color and make these the N&WHS, N&W standard colors for modeling?  We could then provide these to model manufactures???. and likewise individual modelers wers would have the knowledge to use them for custom painting. 
 
I'm sure there would still be individuals who wouldn't be happy for one reason of the another about the specific colors chosen?..but aat least there would be standards and could optimistically look forward to color consistency from model manufacturers in the future.
 
Ed Painter, Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR
 
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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:11 AM
To: 'NW Modeling List'
Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj
 
Harold:
As you stated, you supplied the photo of a freshly painted M1, is the color of the roof supposed to be brown or black? 
Did DP get it correct according to your photo?   
 
Second, if you are referring to me about needing a blue version of a BEj, you should have read my post.  I need a blue version of a BMj
 
If one is painting an N&W blue locomotive, most modelers use C&O blue, SF blue, B&O blue, or dark blue.  Please note!  All of these blues are very close in the spectrum.  The reds that our society wants to consider acceptable are at one end of the red spectrum to the other.  It is common sense that we as a society can at least narrow the red spectrum.  The DP cars are on the far end of the spectrum of maroon/red/pink.  There will always be personal choices of shades of red as there are shades of the blue mentioned above.  As for a paint committee, isn???t that what the model committee is responsible for also?  Paint is part of the model.  
 
What do you suggest to be done for the next car by DP? 
 
I expect variations from manufacturers to manufacturers.  If we can get the blues schemes close to each other, why can???t we get the reds and be happy that they???re just close together?  As far as the lighting of my photos of the models, they were taken outside in natural light.  The DP photos are poor examples of the model showing shadows from dark to light.  One last thing, remember I stated that the color was my take on the model.  Other people are certainly allowed to like or dislike it as they please.
 
Stephen Rineair
 
Ed: you stated the obvious regarding the color of the red. The photo I supplied DP was of an M1 freshly painted. What red DP choose to paint the car is their business. If anyone wants to see the M1 models in a properly lit photo go to www.DivisionPoint.com. There are two photos of the painted models under the N&W heavyweight pass. car listing. Also if someone is looking for a blue version of a BEj  photo one can be found on page 5 of Jim Nichols book - N&W Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment. Any serious N&W modeler will have a copy of Jim's book and would have known that a photo of the BEj was within.  Also railway postal cars did not have "venetian blinds" but were required to have barred windows account the carrying of certified mail containing cash and other valuables.                                                                                                     Harold Davenport

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:11:21 -0400
Subject: USRA 4-8-2?
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I'm just curious if anybody has tried kitbashing a loco using the 
running gear from a Spectrum light Mountain and the body from a J?
-- 
Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com
Salisbury, NC

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by 
stupidity." - Robert J. Hanlon