From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 07:24:56 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:24:56 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper References: <854722.19377.qm@web180516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a typical Walthers reply. The person who answered this question probably didn't have a clue what you were talking about. Look at it: They can do the 10-6 in RF&P which only had three cars like it, but they can't do N&W or L&N? Several years ago when they produced a Budd observation car based on Seaboard plans they didn't do one lettered Seaboard. I made an inquiry about it, and the answer was that it wouldn't sell well. But then they turned around and did the car in Seaboard as well as the Pullman and Budd version of the 52 seat coach. Go figure. They will do it if they want to and only if they want to. Rick Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 07:34:08 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:34:08 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper References: Message-ID: <3B032B4A4D4A4923A944285B11B84B52@DESKTOP> Re: Rapido cars. Their interior and window configuration don't match anything N&W owned. They look pretty good lettered N&W. Thus far everthing Rapido has produced have been Canadian prototypes. They have announced a 6-6-4 Pullman which was common in Canada, but is just about right on for L&N, NC&StL. --Rick Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Harold writes ..... second time I proposed that the N&WHS purchase 600 pullman cars painted and lettered for N&W 1 - This is the type of project I feel the NWHS should be doing for Commissary sales.... 2 - Can Jim Nichols or some one express an opinion on ther correctness of the N&W Rapidio cars Mason Cooper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 08:55:55 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:55:55 -0500 Subject: N&W brass passenger car question and update Message-ID: <4AF81F6B.2040306@vt.edu> Jim: Attached are your drawing for the cars. Need any more let me know. Stephen [Moderator] See scaled/cropped images at following: http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=72 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=73 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=74 -----Original Message----- From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:48 PM To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: N&W brass passenger car question and update Jim, The title is "Norfolk &Western Railway Co. Diagrams of Passenger Equipment"."Revised to 1967". It shows a floor plan and side view including many business cars, some annotated as conversions from DE dining cars. I'm sure Tom Dixon has your address, but I don't have his! Jeff Cornelius In Stuarts Draft From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 09:44:31 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:44:31 -0600 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: References: <854722.19377.qm@web180516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AF82ACF.7010904@bellsouth.net> The person you want to talk to at Walthers is Bill Wischer. He is head of product development at Wathers. A suggestion is that you might talk to him about a limited run of these cars Make one of each car and say limit it to 100 of each and that will be it. Then off that if any are left over then the society will take the rest and sell. Takes everything out of Walthers inventory. Larry Smith NW Modeling List wrote: > This is a typical Walthers reply. The person who answered this > question probably didn't have a clue what you were talking about. > Look at it: They can do the 10-6 in RF&P which only had three cars > like it, but they can't do N&W or L&N? Several years ago when they > produced a Budd observation car based on Seaboard plans they didn't do > one lettered Seaboard. I made an inquiry about it, and the answer was > that it wouldn't sell well. But then they turned around and did the > car in Seaboard as well as the Pullman and Budd version of the 52 seat > coach. Go figure. They will do it if they want to and only if they > want to. > > Rick Morrison > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* NW Modeling List > *To:* NW Modeling List > *Sent:* Friday, November 06, 2009 4:13 PM > *Subject:* Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper > > I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them > concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I > asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex > County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in > the same plan 4140 series. > > They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for > these paint schemes. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 11:04:35 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:04:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: <4AF82ACF.7010904@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <798324.89671.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Larry, ? The way Walthers does their passenger cars is to produce them lettered but not numbered (or named in the case of sleepers) so that only one painted car can represent 1 or more cars of a series. They provide appropriate decal sheets with correct numbers and names for the modeler to install. While it would be nice to have the cars truly RTR I think this would be helpful getting cars produced as compared to Rapido that completely letters their cars. They?need to have a large inventory of models and I'm sure they can get "stuck" with certain numbers. ? I think Walthers is missing the boat by not doing the N&W or L&N cars. I'm sure the RF&P is a more modeled road than N&W though! LOL Perhaps they do intend to do the cars but don't want to say at this time. That does happen. Then again, the left hand may not know what the right hand is doing. Walthers seems to experience that problem from time to time. ? This might be a good car for the Society to have done, especially if they provide it as un-named with a decal sheet. Like I and others have said.....we'd buy them. ? Roger Huber --- On Mon, 11/9/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:44 PM The person you want to talk to at Walthers is Bill Wischer.? He is head of product development at Wathers.???A suggestion is that you might talk to him about a limited run of these cars Make one of each car and say limit it to 100 of each and that will be it.? Then off that if any are left over then the society will take the rest and sell.? Takes everything out of Walthers inventory. Larry Smith ? NW Modeling List wrote: > This is a typical Walthers reply.? The person who answered this question probably didn't have a clue what you were talking about.? Look at it:? They can do the 10-6 in RF&P which only had three cars like it, but they can't do N&W or L&N?? Several years ago when they produced a Budd observation car based on Seaboard plans they didn't do one lettered Seaboard.? I made an inquiry about it, and the answer was that it wouldn't sell well.? But then they turned around and did the car in Seaboard as well as the Pullman and Budd version of the 52 seat coach.? Go figure.? They will do it if they want to and only if they want to. >? Rick Morrison > >? ???----- Original Message ----- >? ???*From:* NW Modeling List >? ???*To:* NW Modeling List >? ???*Sent:* Friday, November 06, 2009 4:13 PM >? ???*Subject:* Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper > >? ???I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them >? ???concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model.. I >? ???asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex >? ???County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in >? ???the same plan 4140 series. >? ? ? ? ? They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for >? ???these paint schemes. >? ? ? >? ? ? >? ? ? ? ? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >??? ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 12:44:40 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:44:40 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: <017b01ca6097$69d49c70$3d7dd550$@net> References: <352472.1097.qm@web52503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <275141.54902.qm@web180511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <017b01ca6097$69d49c70$3d7dd550$@net> Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC412@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by. If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan......... (or at least darker than N&W red). Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Roger: What color red will they use if we get them to do them? (smiley face!) Stephen From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:39 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Brian, I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. ________________________________ From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. I had planned to buy 4 or 5 and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! Roger Huber -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 13:24:30 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC412@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <54913375.1694181257791070624.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> The RF&P, L&N, and N&W cars were all painted and striped to match the Pennsy cars; only the road name and car name (obviously) were unique.? Jim Nichols and I did an article on these cars several years ago in the Arrow. Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 12:44:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains?? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by.? If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan??? (or at least darker than N&W red).? ?Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Roger: What color red will they use if we get them to do them? (smiley face!) Stephen From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:39 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Brian, I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. I had planned to buy?4 or 5?and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! Roger Huber -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 14:12:05 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:12:05 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper References: <352472.1097.qm@web52503.mail.re2.yahoo.com><275141.54902.qm@web180511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <017b01ca6097$69d49c70$3d7dd550$@net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC412@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <3DAD9BAD84474048B0D836F0049BC33A@DESKTOP> To answer Ed's question about the RF&P cars, I saw one of these cars at Broad St Station, Richmond in the late 1960's. I remember the color as being PRR tuscan, more brown than N&W tuscan. I photographed N&W 10-6 Buchanan County in Roanoke in 1966, and it was that richer N&W tuscan. At that date McDowell County was Pevler blue. And yes, the RF&P cars were stored at Broad St. after the advent of Amtrak. As far as determining what models will have sales appeal, note that RF&P was a railroad with barely a 100 mile main line. Compare that to N&W. No argument about the volume of passenger traffic on N&W as compared to RF&P. Sleeping cars were not captive on their home roads. It's on record that N&W S-1 Pike County was seen on the northbound Seaboard Silver Meteor in the early 1960's, before the S-1's were sold to PRR. --Rick Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: 'NW Modeling List' Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by. If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan... (or at least darker than N&W red). Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:25 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper The RF&P, L&N, and N&W cars were all painted and striped to match the Pennsy cars; only the road name and car name (obviously) were unique. Jim Nichols and I did an article on these cars several years ago in the Arrow. Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 12:44:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by. If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan??? (or at least darker than N&W red). Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Roger: What color red will they use if we get them to do them? (smiley face!) Stephen From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:39 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Brian, I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. ________________________________ From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. I had planned to buy 4 or 5 and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! Roger Huber -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 17:09:50 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:09:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC417@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <43112.2714.qm@web180107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed: The almost unknown paint job the N&W pullmans got was in IC colors when they were leased to IC in the late 1960s. They were back on the N&W when I returned to Roanoke in 1971.? Harold --- On Mon, 11/9/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "'NW Modeling List'" Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:36 PM Jim, ? Is it possible that some or all of the N&W cars could have been repainted by the N&W into N&W Red at date later in their service life?? Per Rick Morrison some made it to Pevler Blue. ? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR ? ? From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:25 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper ? The RF&P, L&N, and N&W cars were all painted and striped to match the Pennsy cars; only the road name and car name (obviously) were unique.? Jim Nichols and I did an article on these cars several years ago in the Arrow. ? Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 12:44:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains?? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by.? If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan??? (or at least darker than N&W red).? ?Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? ? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR ? From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper ? Roger: What color red will they use if we get them to do them? (smiley face!) Stephen ? From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:39 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper ? Brian, ? I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. ? The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: ? joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. ? Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. ? From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. ? They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. ? I had planned to buy?4 or 5?and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! ? 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They all matched each other in color. Two other PRR cars could also be found in the Norfolk yard in the morning. These two would be a P85br coach or a PRR 10-6 from the Pocahontas the afternoon before. The PRR coach seemed to be a darker tuscan than the Pullmans but that was a long time ago.? Harold?? --- On Mon, 11/9/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "'NW Modeling List'" Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:44 PM Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains?? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by.? If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan??? (or at least darker than N&W red).? ?Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? ? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR ? From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper ? Roger: What color red will they use if we get them to do them? (smiley face!) Stephen ? From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:39 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper ? Brian, ? I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. ? The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: ? joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. ? Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. ? From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. ? They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. ? I had planned to buy?4 or 5?and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! ? Roger Huber ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 17:10:43 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:10:43 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper References: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC412@SWEC9924.w-intra.net><54913375.1694181257791070624.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC417@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <3402563EDBF64C948C14523F767A6B9A@DESKTOP> I would say that eventually the three sleepers from the original N&W were painted blue. I also saw Sussex County painted blue. After the Budd S-1's were sold, that left only the three S-2's. Remember that was about the time N&W absorbed more sleeping cars than it needed from Wabash and NKP. The merger may have been one reason N&W sold off those 20 nice Budd builds to PRR to be stripped to bare metal and converted to coaches. --Rick Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: 'NW Modeling List' Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Jim, Is it possible that some or all of the N&W cars could have been repainted by the N&W into N&W Red at date later in their service life? Per Rick Morrison some made it to Pevler Blue. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:25 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper The RF&P, L&N, and N&W cars were all painted and striped to match the Pennsy cars; only the road name and car name (obviously) were unique. Jim Nichols and I did an article on these cars several years ago in the Arrow. Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 12:44:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by. If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan??? (or at least darker than N&W red). Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Roger: What color red will they use if we get them to do them? (smiley face!) Stephen From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:39 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Brian, I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. I had planned to buy 4 or 5 and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! Roger Huber -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 18:14:19 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:14:19 -0600 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC417@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> References: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC412@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> <54913375.1694181257791070624.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC417@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <000901ca6192$5f4d6e70$1de84b50$@net> Quite possible, inasmuch as some (if not all) had been in IC colors for a time. The 1966 picture of Buchanan County on page 20 of my Color Guide looks like it could be the N&W color (or maybe not). However, the stripes are still PRR style, although by 1966 PRR itself was using a single stripe in place of the double stripe below the windows. But now the interesting question: who repainted it? Calumet or Roanoke? During that time period Roanoke would have painted the ends black. Jim Nichols From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:36 PM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Jim, Is it possible that some or all of the N&W cars could have been repainted by the N&W into N&W Red at date later in their service life? Per Rick Morrison some made it to Pevler Blue. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:25 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper The RF&P, L&N, and N&W cars were all painted and striped to match the Pennsy cars; only the road name and car name (obviously) were unique. Jim Nichols and I did an article on these cars several years ago in the Arrow. Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 12:44:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by. If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan??? (or at least darker than N&W red). Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 9 18:27:58 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC417@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <1595084646.1862111257809278471.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Ed, I think so.? I have a slide of one of these cars and it appears to be in "N&W Red" rather than tuscan; these cars, at least 2 of the 3, were also painted in IC colors when leased for service to them; as built, they were PRR Tuscan with the PRR style of stripes. Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 4:36:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Jim, Is it possible that some or all of the N&W cars could have been repainted by the N&W into N&W Red at date later in their service life?? Per Rick Morrison some made it to Pevler Blue. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:25 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper The RF&P, L&N, and N&W cars were all painted and striped to match the Pennsy cars; only the road name and car name (obviously) were unique.? Jim Nichols and I did an article on these cars several years ago in the Arrow. Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 12:44:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains?? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by.? If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan??? (or at least darker than N&W red).? ?Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Roger: What color red will they use if we get them to do them? (smiley face!) Stephen From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:39 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Brian, I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. I had planned to buy?4 or 5?and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! 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Customer Service ________________________________ From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 10:38:45 PM Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Brian, I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: >From: NW Modeling List >Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper >To: "NW Modeling List" >Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM > > > > >Roger, > >Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers >then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. > >Thanks, >Brian D. > > > > ________________________________ From: NW Modeling List >To: NW Modeling List >Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM >Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper > > >I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. > >They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. > >I had planned to buy 4 or 5 and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! > >Roger Huber > > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >________________________________________ >NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org >To change your subscription go to >http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list >Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at >http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 10 00:56:12 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:56:12 +0000 Subject: N&W 60' Greenville cars? (NW Modeling List) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe the modeling committee could contact Exact Rail and have them do the Greenville in the N&W blue scheme as a built up model (if this is the correct model?). If the committee doesn't want to, then I could contact them myself. Let me know one way or the other. Thanks Stephen Stephen, I don't now what your continual beef is with the modeling committee, but please build a bridge and get over it. You are accomplishing absolutely nothing by continually making asanine comments and snide remarks towards our members because you believe they aren't doing enough to satisfy you. If you'd like to come to the archives and spend several multi-day work sessions over several months finding all the appropiate information for one scheme on only one car, than by all means do so. Perhaps in doing so you'll get a small taste of what are members do do for manufacturers... Robb Fisher RFDI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you for taking the time to email us.? ? Sincerely, ? Joanne Wm.K.Walthers,Inc. Customer Service From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 10:38:45 PM Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Brian, ? I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. ? The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: ? joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. ? Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. ? They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. ? I had planned to buy?4 or 5?and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! ? 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URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 10 09:38:55 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:38:55 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: <1595084646.1862111257809278471.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC417@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> <1595084646.1862111257809278471.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A913BECC41A@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Thanks Rick, Harold, Jim, and Jim??. Interesting discussion and information. I appreciate everyone's input! Per Roger's notes it certainly seems that Walthers in addition to RF&P could do N&W and L&N models with relative ease and very little additional investment. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA - currently living in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:28 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Ed, I think so. I have a slide of one of these cars and it appears to be in "N&W Red" rather than tuscan; these cars, at least 2 of the 3, were also painted in IC colors when leased for service to them; as built, they were PRR Tuscan with the PRR style of stripes. Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 4:36:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Jim, Is it possible that some or all of the N&W cars could have been repainted by the N&W into N&W Red at date later in their service life? Per Rick Morrison some made it to Pevler Blue. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:25 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper The RF&P, L&N, and N&W cars were all painted and striped to match the Pennsy cars; only the road name and car name (obviously) were unique. Jim Nichols and I did an article on these cars several years ago in the Arrow. Jim Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: "NW Modeling List" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 12:44:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Weren't both the N&W and RF&P cars painted in PRR Tuscan to match the PRR trains? Seems one of the RF&P cars was at Broad St Station in Richmond in the early 70's when I was in college near-by. If my memory serves me well I remember it being PRR Tuscan??? (or at least darker than N&W red). Can anyone validate the PRR Tuscan on the N&W and RF&P cars? Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Roger: What color red will they use if we get them to do them? (smiley face!) Stephen From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:39 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Brian, I contacted Walthers via their website by clicking on Customer Service and then Contact Us. The response I got from CS was from Joanne at this email address: joannep at walthers.com Hopefully enough people will ask that we can get them to change their minds about doing the S-2. Roger Huber --- On Sat, 11/7/09, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper To: "NW Modeling List" Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:59 PM Roger, Do you have a certain contact that you were using? If others are going to contact Walthers then we should probably coordinate our efforts by talking with the same person. Thanks, Brian D. ________________________________ From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 4:13:28 PM Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper I just got an email from Walthers. I had been in contact with them concerning the approaching HO model of the RF&P PS 10-6 model. I asked if they could also do them as N&W S-2 sleepers (Sussex County, Buchanan County & McDowell County) and the 3 L&N cars in the same plan 4140 series. They said their marketing & research dept didn't see any need for these paint schemes. I had planned to buy 4 or 5 and paint them myself for the N&W and a couple RF&P cars but would prefer to buy them RTR from Walthers. If anyone else would like these cars to be made available from them I would suggest you email, call or write and ask that they be made. Perhaps the marketing & research dept would make us happy! 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URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 10 09:54:34 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:54:34 -0500 Subject: Moderator Apology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AF97EAA.9080606@vt.edu> All, Please accept my apologizes on allowing the unnecessary personal attack message to the list. The interface used to moderator the mail system makes it difficult to preview messages. Guys, please keep the posting to the subject at hand, and avoid messages aimed at others. - Moderator From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 10 22:31:15 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:31:15 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Message-ID: <410-220091131133115464@earthlink.net> The N&W S2 sleepers (10-6) were painted in PRR colors with twin pin stripes. They alternated on the "New York" trains with PRR "Rapids" series 10-6 sleepers. A simple solution is a set of N&W passenger decals and a Walthers PRR 10-6 sleeper. A little of your favorite brand of paint/decal remover and they look pretty good! Dan Dan and Nina Mulhearn; Pipestem WV dannina1 at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 11 07:23:41 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:23:41 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper References: <410-220091131133115464@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54C5420FC705403780377FC062705968@DESKTOP> The intended service for the S-2 sleepers may have been for the "New York" trains to alternate with Pennsy sleepers, but it didn't play out this way in the long run. After the 20 S-1 Budd sleepers came on line, it was N&W Budd sleepers just about 100% of the time. This is proved in photographic evidence and from personal observation at the time. The only time a Pennsy sleeper showed up on these trains was as a subsitute car or when a second 10-6 was needed. --Rick Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper The N&W S2 sleepers (10-6) were painted in PRR colors with twin pin stripes. They alternated on the "New York" trains with PRR "Rapids" series 10-6 sleepers. A simple solution is a set of N&W passenger decals and a Walthers PRR 10-6 sleeper. A little of your favorite brand of paint/decal remover and they look pretty good! Dan Dan and Nina Mulhearn; Pipestem WV dannina1 at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 11 15:13:33 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:13:33 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Message-ID: <410-2200911311201333594@earthlink.net> Rick; Thanks for that reply. I know things did not always work out as intended and the sleepers ended up more places than they were intended. All this information will be worked into my 1968 era N&W Pocahontas Div operations. But wait, did you see the latest issue of Railroad Model Craftsman? How about that article on the Interstate and the N&W Clinch Valley line? Wow, maybe I won't need ANY passenger cars. Dan Dan and Nina Mulhearn; Pipestem WV dannina1 at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 11 19:56:01 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:56:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Walthers Inquiry Message-ID: <220715.68161.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I contacted Walthers to encourage RF&P PS 10-6,?as N&W S-2 sleepers. I recieved this reply. We will pass a copy of your email to the appropriate people to express your interest.? Thank you for your input. ? Maybe they will begin to think about it.??Perry Noblett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 11 22:05:02 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Walthers Inquiry In-Reply-To: <220715.68161.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1592043895.1493461257995102570.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I suspect Walthers is getting flooded by us. :) I have a similar reply. Nigel ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Modeling List" To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:56:01 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Walthers Inquiry I contacted Walthers to encourage RF&P PS 10-6,?as N&W S-2 sleepers. I recieved this reply. We will pass a copy of your email to the appropriate people to express your interest.? Thank you for your input. Maybe they will begin to think about it.??Perry Noblett ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 12 00:05:40 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:05:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Walthers Inquiry Message-ID: <13973574.1258002340942.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul Mandelkern Winter Park, FL ________________________________ From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:14 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Rick; Thanks for that reply. I know things did not always work out as intended and the sleepers ended up more places than they were intended. All this information will be worked into my 1968 era N&W Pocahontas Div operations. But wait, did you see the latest issue of Railroad Model Craftsman? How about that article on the Interstate and the N&W Clinch Valley line? Wow, maybe I won't need ANY passenger cars. Dan Dan and Nina Mulhearn; Pipestem WV dannina1 at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 12 13:31:11 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:31:11 -0500 Subject: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200911311201333594@earthlink.net>, Message-ID: Paul; Dan Bourque wrote an excellent article in the Nov, 2009 issue of RMC on the IRR/CV Ext. It's more geared towards ex-IRR operations, but does discuss the N&W west of St. Paul. Mine showed in the mail about 2 weeks ago. Issue has GN F units on the cover. Regards, Russ Goodwin Buford, GA Subject: RE: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:57:20 -0500 To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Dan, which issue of Railroad Model Craftsman has the Interstate/Clinch Valley Line article ? The December issue is not yet at my local hobby shop. Paul Mandelkern Winter Park, FL From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:14 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Walthers PS 10-6 Sleeper Rick; Thanks for that reply. I know things did not always work out as intended and the sleepers ended up more places than they were intended. All this information will be worked into my 1968 era N&W Pocahontas Div operations. But wait, did you see the latest issue of Railroad Model Craftsman? How about that article on the Interstate and the N&W Clinch Valley line? Wow, maybe I won't need ANY passenger cars. Dan Dan and Nina Mulhearn; Pipestem WV dannina1 at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 12 20:21:14 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:21:14 -0800 Subject: ExactRail N&W Boxcar Message-ID: <20091113012130007.ZVHD23178@hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com> Hi Lister's, A few weeks ago at the Western Prototype Modelers meet ExactRail had this N&W boxcar on display, (see attached photos) Is this the car that has been discussed on the list lately and you guys want painted in blue? Sorry, I have no connection in getting them painted in blue. If any of you are interested I have a photo of BLMA's Top-Gon that I could post. Of all the models on display it looked like NS/N&W were quite popular being right behind ESPEE (that's west coast for Southern Pacific), AT&SF/BNSF and UP. I don't remember seeing more than maybe three CSX models. By the way Athearn just did the HH SD45's in Hamburger herald black. So far I've seen #1791 & 1797. 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URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 13 10:02:03 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:02:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: ExactRail N&W Boxcar In-Reply-To: <20091113012130007.ZVHD23178@hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <735474.98450.qm@web38704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ???? > By > the way Athearn just did the HH SD45?s in Hamburger > herald black.? > So far I?ve seen #1791 & 1797. > ? > > Take care, John Hecker ================= I'm guessing you mean hamburger blue, as the SD45s never saw hamburger black. Mark Peele From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 15 16:01:32 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:01:32 -0500 Subject: Passenger Trains Message-ID: <4B0025DC020000B60002C829@poplar.cedarville.edu> When did the N&W go from brown roofed passenger cars to black? I want to model the Powhatan Arrow in the early to mid fifties. I am looking at the MTH set that is to come out in March. 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