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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:34:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Black
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can anyone tell me if N&W did piggyback service in the steam era? I would also like to know if someone can tell me about a box car thats in the Wallace and Wiley book on page 54 2nd down with a caption bev bel wood kit if its ligit? I checked the number on page 55, but that shows a hopper number. thanks. tony

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Subject: Black
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For an excellent discussion of modeling "black", see the article "N&W Tour, What Happened to all the Black!" by R.L. Hundman with photos by R. Bradley, pp. 30-35, Mainline Modeler, 11/97.
?
Carl Miller
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:16:29 -0500
Subject: O scale Class M model anyone?
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Jimmy,

    Count me in for one.


    Dick Merrill
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  Is anyone interested in trying to get an O scale Class M produced? 3rd Rail would like to know.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:04:02 -0500
Subject: Black
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Yes.  N&W started a piggyback service out of Bristol in 1957 or 1958 in conjunction with Mason-Dixon truck lines out of Kingsport, TN.  I don't know where the other end of the service was - probably Rochester, NY.  The trains were numbered, as I recall, 58 and 59.  The trains were pulled by K-1s.  They lasted maybe a couple of weeks.  It is my understanding that the Teamsters put pressure on M-D to stop cutting their drivers out of the long haul trips.

EdKing


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      can anyone tell me if N&W did piggyback service in the steam era? I would also like to know if someone can tell me about a box car thats in the Wallace and Wiley book on page 54 2nd down with a caption bev bel wood kit if its ligit? I checked the number on page 55, but that shows a hopper number. thanks. tony

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        From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
        Subject: Black
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        Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 4:00 PM


        For an excellent discussion of modeling "black", see the article "N&W Tour, What Happened to all the Black!" by R.L. Hundman with photos by R. Bradley, pp. 30-35, Mainline Modeler, 11/97.

        Carl Miller
        Kingsville, MD

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:21:31 -0600
Subject: Black
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Piggyback on N&W appears to have started early in its diesel era (can't find
any evidence behind steam). As for the box car in the W&W book, I am not
aware of any 50' composite box cars on N&W, so the number the modeler put on
it was arbitrary. Most of the models on that page are approximations, which
was more common in 1980 than now (most modelers are more discriminating now
that we have more accurate choices in the market). Some of the captions in
the W&W book are inaccurate, so continue to ask questions when you are in
doubt.    Jim Nichols

 

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can anyone tell me if N&W did piggyback service in the steam era? I would
also like to know if someone can tell me about a box car thats in the
Wallace and Wiley book on page 54 2nd down with a caption bev bel wood kit
if its ligit? I checked the number on page 55, but that shows a hopper
number. thanks. tony

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Nov 23 11:27:46 2009
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:27:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Black
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Thanks Ed, that's an interesting piece of info, with even more interesting side note regarding the Teamsters.  

As an aside (Ed or anyone else), what is your familiarity with the K1's?  They don't get a lot of print, other than the good article in the Arrow a couple years ago.  Were they generally good engines? Well utilized? Liked by crews? Were they used in the mountains too, or just primarily the flatlands? Were the K-2's a universally great improvement over the K1? It is the one engine I wish I owned a model of and do not (yet). I would like to have at least 2 when I start a layout again. 
Mike Rector




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Yes.  N&W started a piggyback service out of 
Bristol in 1957 or 1958 in conjunction with Mason-Dixon truck lines out of 
Kingsport, TN.  I don't know where the other end of the service was - 
probably Rochester, NY.  The trains were numbered, as I recall, 58 and 
59.  The trains were pulled by K-1s.  They lasted maybe a couple of 
weeks.  It is my understanding that the Teamsters put pressure on M-D to 
stop cutting their drivers out of the long haul trips.
 
EdKing


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can anyone tell me if N&W did piggyback service in the  steam era? I would also like to know if someone can tell me about a box  car thats in the Wallace and Wiley book on page 54 2nd down with a caption  bev bel wood kit if its ligit? I checked the number on page 55, but that  shows a hopper number. thanks. tony

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>        2009, 4:00 PM
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> > 
>For an excellent discussion of modeling 
>        "black", see the article "N&W Tour, What Happened to all the Black!" 
>        by R.L. Hundman with photos by R. Bradley, pp. 30-35, Mainline Modeler, 
>        11/97.
> 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Nov 23 12:32:35 2009
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:32:35 -0500
Subject: piggyback in steam era
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Check out these photos from the Virginia Tech collection.  Shenandoah Division freight, steam powered with piggyback in train.

--Rick Morrison


http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS4088.JPG

http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans/nss/trai/coal/co&num_rows=56&start_row=6



        can anyone tell me if N&W did piggyback service in the steam era? I would also like to know if someone can tell me about a box car thats in the Wallace and Wiley book on page 54 2nd down with a caption bev bel wood kit if its ligit? I checked the number on page 55, but that shows a hopper number. thanks. tony

        --- On Sun, 11/22/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:


          From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
          Subject: Black
          To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
          Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 4:00 PM


          For an excellent discussion of modeling "black", see the article "N&W Tour, What Happened to all the Black!" by R.L. Hundman with photos by R. Bradley, pp. 30-35, Mainline Modeler, 11/97.

          Carl Miller
          Kingsville, MD

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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Nov 23 17:01:47 2009
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:01:47 -0500
Subject: piggyback in the steam era corrected
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Here is the companion photo to my earlier post re: piggyback in the steam era.

Obviously I did something wrong with posting this link the first time.

--Rick Morrison

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS4089.JPG
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Nov 23 18:24:48 2009
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:24:48 -0600
Subject: Black
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Among other assignments, K1's were used on the Bluefield to Williamson
passenger locals in the late '40's. Yes, they were used in the mountains.
However, the coming of the J's and the ability of the streamlined K2's to
cover most passenger assignments by the late '40's and early '50's made
local freight the primary assignments for the K1's. They were known to have
seen mixed service on the Buchanan Branch.  Jim Nichols

 

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Thanks Ed, that's an interesting piece of info, with even more interesting
side note regarding the Teamsters.  

As an aside (Ed or anyone else), what is your familiarity with the K1's?
They don't get a lot of print, other than the good article in the Arrow a
couple years ago.  Were they generally good engines? Well utilized? Liked by
crews? Were they used in the mountains too, or just primarily the flatlands?
Were the K-2's a universally great improvement over the K1? It is the one
engine I wish I owned a model of and do not (yet). I would like to have at
least 2 when I start a layout again. 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Nov 23 20:44:28 2009
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:44:28 -0500
Subject: piggyback in the steam era corrected
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How many people recognized this as "Four Mile Crossing" (Carlos Drive)?
Jimmy Lisle
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Nov 23 19:26:20 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:26:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: piggyback in the steam era corrected
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Gary from the historical society sent me an email saying there was no piggyback in the steam era.

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To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 10:01 PM





Here is the companion photo to my earlier post re: piggyback in the steam era.
?
Obviously I did something wrong with posting this link the first time.
?
--Rick Morrison
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Subject: piggyback in the steam era corrected
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Jimmy,
 
Where is "Four Mile Crossing"? It kinda looked like the North end of  
Cloverdale but I believe that mountain is in the wrong place.
 
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:33:46 -0500
Subject: BLACK
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Gary and all. Southern began to use an expoxy paint with an overcoat in the 60's or early 70's with an expectancy of five years given that SRR used an acid type wash. All locos were scheduled to be washed on the 91 day inspections if not before. This info came to me from the Super of the Chattanooga paint shop prior to the merger. Cal Reynolds
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  It's the pigment, guys, it's the pigment. And other additives of course. Black is black to start with. It's what the sun (UV rays) does with it that makes the changes, what we call weathering. When I worked for a mass-production sheet metal company here in Lynchburg, petro based Chinese Red was 10 bucks +/- per gallon off the shelf. STOP sign red was 90 per gallon and that was early '70's pricing!
  Charlie Long




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    He is right.   I used to view ex-SOU and ex-N&W GP30?s on NS grain trains parked at Clare Yard in Cincinnati in the early 1990?s.  While the N&W?s were a greenish-gray black that had a bunch of fading to a matte finish, the SOU?s tended to stay glossier and kinda blacker but the loco hood?s had a lot more rusting along the lower edges.  And the N&W?s were earlier GP30 Phase 1?s and the Southerns were all Phase 2?s



    Gary Rolih

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    Don't laugh. Norfolk and Western's black actually faded to a different sheen than Southern's black. Southern faded to a richer black it that makes any sense.



    Richard D. Shell

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      What would be the nearest match for Virginian  black. Smehow it must  
      be different to N&W black....

      Peter North
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Tue Nov 24 09:25:38 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:25:38 -0500
Subject: piggyback in the steam era corrected
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Sorry, but it looks like there was piggyback, or trailer on flat car, in the steam era.

--Rick Morrison
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        Gary from the historical society sent me an email saying there was no piggyback in the steam era.

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          Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 10:01 PM


          Here is the companion photo to my earlier post re: piggyback in the steam era.

          Obviously I did something wrong with posting this link the first time.

          --Rick Morrison

          http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS4089.JPG

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:09:09 -0500
Subject: piggyback in the steam era corrected
References: <ce9.666c4a71.383d304b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4CB5497BEDDC4810815BF3B7E8875559@Jimmy>

" Jimmy,
Where is "Four Mile Crossing"? It kinda looked like the North end of Cloverdale but I believe that mountain is in the wrong place.
Richard"

Richard,
    "Four Mile Crossing" is the politically incorrect name for "Carlos Drive". Driving south from Hollins Station, it will be the second road to the left. In the picture, you see Tinker Mountain just above the engine. The train is also hiding what was once MP R4/H235, hence the name "Four Mile Crossing".

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:26:42 -0500
Subject: Alco N&W G-1 2-8-0
In-Reply-To: <175253.87665.qm@web180504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <175253.87665.qm@web180504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5299CEDA-E498-4BBF-A5ED-7DB461D51E58@daveayers.com>

Roger,

Thanks for the info. I think the Alco G-1 is a fine little model, it  
has a wealth of detail compared to many other brass model, and once  
the running problems are taken care of, should be a valuable piece of  
brass.

To be honest, I bought mine at a very good price, and put a fair  
amount of time into fixing the gearbox, and tuning up the mechanism,  
so i'd like to sell it for a decent profit. I'm glad to hear from you  
that I didn't make a mistake on the value.

The gearbox was warped from zinc disease, and I had to replace it,  
but reused the original gears. That took a bit of fiddling to  
accomplish ! I have run into a number of other diseased gearboxes in  
other brass models of this time period from other importers. Perhaps  
they are from the same Korean builder, but I haven't verified it.

Dave
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On Nov 6, 2009, at 4:06 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:

> I was a custom painter for over 20+ years and painted several of  
> the Alco Models N&W G-1s. They were not the best quality engines  
> Alco Models imported! Every one I dealt with had running problems.  
> First off, the gearbox was sloppy and needed to be replaced with  
> one from NWSL or Precision. The second problem I encountered was  
> the large amount of clearance between the axle bearings and the  
> frame slots. This allowed the drivers to move fore and aft which  
> isn't a good thing for running smoothly. The other item I saw was  
> the holes in the rods for the crank screws were too large  
> amplifying the sloppy mechanism problems. A couple required new  
> motors due to burning out. I considered this a result of the poor  
> construction noted and trying to force it to run. The details and  
> workmanship on the boiler and tender seemed to not be anything more  
> than a few parts loose.
>
> With a new gearbox and some shimming it could be made to run very  
> smoothly and reliably. The N&W didn't have many and they were only  
> kept until the end as Jim Nichols said for the Honaker Branch. They  
> were quite handsome, to me, and I wish they had been better models.
>
> They show up fairly often on ebay and in some brass shops. I think  
> they are going for prices that do not reflect the quality of the  
> engines as much as the novelty and less-than-common availability of  
> the models. The last one I saw on ebay was over $350 which  
> considering the amount of work to make one work well is way over  
> priced.
>
> My 2?,
> Roger Huber
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>  
> wrote:
>
> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: RE: Alco N&W G-1 2-8-0
> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 5:25 AM
>
> There were very few G1?s although they were almost identical to the  
> much larger G class.  After the late 1940?s, there were only two of  
> them (6 & 7), which were based in Bluefield for use on the Honaker  
> branch, which had bridges that would not support a larger  
> locomotive. They were retired in 1955 and donated, the 6 to Roanoke  
> and the 7 to Bluefield, where both still exist.
>
>
> The model is relatively old, though I don?t know the year it was  
> produced. As far as I know, it was done only once, so they don?t  
> turn up very often. Value is hard to estimate, but should be pretty  
> good, due to fact that it is rare.     Jim Nichols
>
>
> From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list- 
> bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:51 PM
> To: NW Modeling List
> Subject: Alco N&W G-1 2-8-0
>
>
> I recently acquired an Alco N&W G-1 2-8-0, HO brass model  
> locomotive. It had  a gearbox with zinc disease, which I managed to  
> replace, and a few other, minor, problems. It now runs fine, and  
> looks good to me.
>
> I tried Googling the model, without results, and no hits on eBay  
> either. The Brown Book says "quality problems", but not much else.
>
>
> Can someone tell me more about this nice model engine ?
>
>
> Was the G-1 very 'popular on the N&W ?
>
> What is the N&W modelers opinion of this model ?
>
> Why there is so little info around on the model ?
>
> Any idea what the model is worth ?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> http;//daveayers.com
>
> http;//brassbackshop.com
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:52:30 -0600
Subject: piggyback in the steam era corrected
Message-ID: <AB88E48814E242F28572CEB181B47139@ironton>

Reverend Jim still doesn't want to admit that piggyback started before steam ended.

The 1955 N&W Annual Report had a drawing of an "A" pulling a freight that included a canteen and two piggyback cars.  It looks like upper management were planning on piggyback being big business.  Remember they hadn't even bought a diesel by then.

Stoney

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:24:48 EST
Subject: BLACK
Message-ID: <bdb.51946f34.383dfd80@aol.com>

Cal,
 
That makes sense. I often wondered why the Southern's locomotives weathered 
 to a somewhat glossy sheen.
 
Thanks,
 
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:20:18 -0600
Subject: piggyback in the steam era corrected
In-Reply-To: <AB88E48814E242F28572CEB181B47139@ironton>
References: <AB88E48814E242F28572CEB181B47139@ironton>
Message-ID: <001e01ca6d86$9930adf0$cb9209d0$@net>

Oh, I am glad to admit it. I simply said I hadn't seen any evidence of it
(which was true when I said it) but you guys have come up with plenty of
evidence, so now I have learned something I didn't know.    Jim Nichols

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org
[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:53 PM
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Subject: Re: piggyback in the steam era corrected

 

Reverend Jim still doesn't want to admit that piggyback started before steam
ended.

 

The 1955 N&W Annual Report had a drawing of an "A" pulling a freight that
included a canteen and two piggyback cars.  It looks like upper management
were planning on piggyback being big business.  Remember they hadn't even
bought a diesel by then.

 

Stoney

 

Rick C Stone

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:16:48 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
Message-ID: <COL103-W64A79FEB1341AF35BAF390AF9C0@phx.gbl>


Mailing list:

What is the class number of NS's #4271?  E-'something'?

Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?

In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers?

Are there more images available?

Is more information available in one of the Society Books?

 

 

Modeling list:

What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?

[Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?

 

(image attached)

 

Dave Willis

(blt 1962, c/n 4)
 		 	   		  
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Nov 25 15:44:33 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:44:33 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
In-Reply-To: <COL103-W64A79FEB1341AF35BAF390AF9C0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL103-W64A79FEB1341AF35BAF390AF9C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910131E1D69D@SWEC9924.w-intra.net>

These are the NS business train units.  There are 2 F-9PH's and 2 F-7B's. They were purchased by NS from the KCS in October of 2006.   I did a bit of cut and paste with the history of the 4 units.  Look at these sites for additional info and pics:    http://www.thedieselshop.us/NS.HTML         http://www.nsdash9.com/roster.html        http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php

4270 - F9PH  - Unit wears Southern Railway freight colors; ex-RPCX 101, exx-MARC 81, exxx-MDOT F9PH 7181, exxxx-MK 4580, exxxxx-B&O 4580, nee B&O F7A 937

4271  - F9PH - Unit wears Southern Railway freight colors; ex-RPCX 102, exx-MARC 85, exxx-MDOT F9PH 7185, exxxx-MK 4557, exxxxx-B&O 4557 (2nd), nee B&O F7A 947

4275 - F7B -  Unit wears Southern Railway freight colors; ex-RPCX 201, exx-CGW 113D, exxx-C&NW 317, nee C&NW 410.

4276 - F7B - Unit wears Southern Railway freight colors; ex-RPCX 202, exx-CGW 114B, exxx-C&NW 318, nee C&NW 411

Ed Painter - Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR


From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:17 AM
To: Norfolk Western Mailing List; N&W Modeling List
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

Mailing list:
What is the class number of NS's #4271?  E-'something'? F-9PH and F-&B
Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B? Usually. A-B-B-A
In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers? Different numbers.  The train would be designated by the lead unit's number and or a Train Number.
Are there more images available? Look at the web pages provides or do an internet search.
Is more information available in one of the Society Books?  I don't think so unless it's the NS Locomotive Roster book..


Modeling list:
What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive? There are a number of good F-7A and B's out there. If you could find undecorated Athearn Genesis units that would be my choice.
[Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?  Southern Ry black - grey - gold.......I'll say no more.  They do always stay clean and glossy.

(image attached)

Dave Willis
(blt 1962, c/n 4)
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:15:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:08:33 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
In-Reply-To: <COL103-W64A79FEB1341AF35BAF390AF9C0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL103-W64A79FEB1341AF35BAF390AF9C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B0D9CD1.4070802@carolina.rr.com>

Dave,

It's an F9, one part of an A-B-B-A set which generally travels together. 
  I'm sure others will comment on the history and origins of the 4 
locomotives, as they are not originally Southern or N&W.  The road 
numbers pick up after the last of the Southern F units, I believe.

There are LOTS of pictures all over the internet if these infernal beasts.

As for modeling, an Athearn F7 is pretty close, especially if you can 
get one of the sets they released in NS paint.  As far as I know, there 
are no decals available for these engines.  The colors are standard 
Southern tuxedo - black, imitation aluminum (very light gray) and duluxe 
gold (yellow).  The exact paint match is a hotly debated topic among 
Southern circles, much like the "perfect" tuscan red is here.

Kenneth Rickman

NW Modeling List wrote:
> Mailing list:
> What is the class number of NS's #4271?  E-'something'?
> Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
> In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different 
> numbers?
> Are there more images available?
> Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
>  
>  
> Modeling list:
> What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
> [Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints 
> could you recommend?
>  
> (image attached)
>  
> Dave Willis
> (blt 1962, c/n 4)
> 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Nov 25 18:44:10 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:44:10 EST
Subject: HO locomotives
Message-ID: <d5f.5ebe197a.383f1b4a@aol.com>

I have eighteen HO engine models from a friend's estate which I am selling  
for the family.  The models are N&W, NW, NS, Southern, C&O,  B&O, CSX, SAL 
and EMD demo.
 
Email me off list for a word doc which includes pictures. _VgnRy43 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:VgnRy43 at aol.com) 
 
Thanks,
Aubrey  Wiley
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Nov 25 20:46:53 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:46:53 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
References: <COL103-W64A79FEB1341AF35BAF390AF9C0@phx.gbl>
	<4B0D9CD1.4070802@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E10F3E61BE8643F2AED0CFC1DE25FADD@Dunford>

The last time I was in Roanoke, Rail Yard had the Athearn F7 set in stock.

Dick Dunford
Blacksburg

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From: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271


> Dave,
>
> It's an F9, one part of an A-B-B-A set which generally travels together. 
> I'm sure others will comment on the history and origins of the 4 
> locomotives, as they are not originally Southern or N&W.  The road numbers 
> pick up after the last of the Southern F units, I believe.
>
> There are LOTS of pictures all over the internet if these infernal beasts.
>
> As for modeling, an Athearn F7 is pretty close, especially if you can get 
> one of the sets they released in NS paint.  As far as I know, there are no 
> decals available for these engines.  The colors are standard Southern 
> tuxedo - black, imitation aluminum (very light gray) and duluxe gold 
> (yellow).  The exact paint match is a hotly debated topic among Southern 
> circles, much like the "perfect" tuscan red is here.
>
> Kenneth Rickman
>
> NW Modeling List wrote:
>> Mailing list:
>> What is the class number of NS's #4271?  E-'something'?
>> Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
>> In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different 
>> numbers?
>> Are there more images available?
>> Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
>>  Modeling list:
>> What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
>> [Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints 
>> could you recommend?
>>  (image attached)
>>  Dave Willis
>> (blt 1962, c/n 4)
>>
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> -- 
> Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com
> Salisbury, NC
>
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Wed Nov 25 20:58:02 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:58:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
In-Reply-To: <4B0D9CD1.4070802@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <646102.41521.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have a question concerning the Abington Branch does anyone have any detailed maps of the line? I was on my Fedex Home Delivery route there in Todd and West J and was trying to figure it all out. what gets me is those bridge piers out on railroad grade road were they part of the rail line? tony

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:


From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:08 PM


Dave,

It's an F9, one part of an A-B-B-A set which generally travels together.? I'm sure others will comment on the history and origins of the 4 locomotives, as they are not originally Southern or N&W.? The road numbers pick up after the last of the Southern F units, I believe.

There are LOTS of pictures all over the internet if these infernal beasts.

As for modeling, an Athearn F7 is pretty close, especially if you can get one of the sets they released in NS paint.? As far as I know, there are no decals available for these engines.? The colors are standard Southern tuxedo - black, imitation aluminum (very light gray) and duluxe gold (yellow).? The exact paint match is a hotly debated topic among Southern circles, much like the "perfect" tuscan red is here.

Kenneth Rickman

NW Modeling List wrote:
> Mailing list:
> What is the class number of NS's #4271?? E-'something'?
> Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
> In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers?
> Are there more images available?
> Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
>???Modeling list:
> What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
> [Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?
>? (image attached)
>? Dave Willis
> (blt 1962, c/n 4)
> 
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Salisbury, NC

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:19:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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I'm not the only one to think this is the worst paint scheme in the collective history of all NS' former roads?

Mike Rector




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Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

Dave:
The subject locomotive is an F9A, EMD. It is part of a set NS uses for business and special trains. The other three are:
4271 F9A
4275 F7B (no cab)
4276 F7B (no cab)

See:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=79233

These units are painted in a scheme very similar to the former Southern Railway F's.

Also to see the more info on each see:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=NS&Page=16

Charlie Long



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>>What is the class number of NS's #4271?  E-'something'?
>>Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
>>In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers?
>>Are there more images available?
>>Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
>> 
>> 
>>Modeling list:
>>What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
>>[Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?
>> 
>>(image attached)
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:38:46 -0600
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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Mike: You may not be the only one, but you are in a very small minority.
Jim Nichols

 

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I'm not the only one to think this is the worst paint scheme in the
collective history of all NS' former roads?

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:32:49 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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Tony - Louis Newton's Rails Remembered Vol. III has some good maps.

EdKing


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Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271


      I have a question concerning the Abington Branch does anyone have any detailed maps of the line? I was on my Fedex Home Delivery route there in Todd and West J and was trying to figure it all out. what gets me is those bridge piers out on railroad grade road were they part of the rail line? tony

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        From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
        Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
        To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
        Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:08 PM


        Dave,

        It's an F9, one part of an A-B-B-A set which generally travels together.  I'm sure others will comment on the history and origins of the 4 locomotives, as they are not originally Southern or N&W.  The road numbers pick up after the last of the Southern F units, I believe.

        There are LOTS of pictures all over the internet if these infernal beasts.

        As for modeling, an Athearn F7 is pretty close, especially if you can get one of the sets they released in NS paint.  As far as I know, there are no decals available for these engines.  The colors are standard Southern tuxedo - black, imitation aluminum (very light gray) and duluxe gold (yellow).  The exact paint match is a hotly debated topic among Southern circles, much like the "perfect" tuscan red is here.

        Kenneth Rickman

        NW Modeling List wrote:
        > Mailing list:
        > What is the class number of NS's #4271?  E-'something'?
        > Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
        > In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers?
        > Are there more images available?
        > Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
        >   Modeling list:
        > What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
        > [Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?
        >  (image attached)
        >  Dave Willis
        > (blt 1962, c/n 4)
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:04:05 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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Dave;

 

As others have mentioned on this list, Athearn has released two A-B sets, covering all four road numbers, when combined. The first set has been discontinued and the second set can still be had, this is what Athearns website shows. Though discontinued, you still may be able to find the first set through a LHS. Keep in mind that the set has F7A's and not F9A's. 

 

Personally, I would start kitbashing them with Highliner / Athearn Genesis F7B's and F9A's, becasue there are huge defference in NS' finished motors. Microscale has released decals for for this in both N and HO. The HO set number is 87-1272. It appears that the set will do two of the four units. It has enough lettering do do either two A's or two B's, but it does not appear to have enough striping to do all four units. Miscroscale does give paint recommendations in their decal sets. Like N&W Tuscan Red, Pennsy Maroon and Milwaukee Road Orange, Southern Imitation Aluminum is a subjective color.

 

Overland is also releasing the individual A's and B's ($890 ea and $725 ea respectively) and the full four unit set ($3,180) at some point in 2010. There are separate part numbers for the two A units and sub-divided part numbers for the B units. OMI uses the latter numbering system for multiple road numbers on common units, such as NS GE Dash 9's from a specific NS order, i.e. NS ES44AC's OMI P#AA-1450-1 though -5, there are 5 different road numbers. Point being is that OMI felt that the two A units were not the same and created different model numbers for two different units. Mr. Painter's unit history shows that info as well.

 

http://www.overlandmodels.com/showroom.php?scale=4

 

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

 

Regards,
Russ Goodwin

Buford, GA

(Blt 1971, c/n 9)
 


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Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:16:48 -0500
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Mailing list:
What is the class number of NS's #4271?  E-'something'?
Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers?
Are there more images available?
Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
 
 
Modeling list:
What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
[Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?
 
(image attached)
 
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:59:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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where can I find this at? tony

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:32 PM



Tony - Louis Newton's Rails Remembered Vol. III has some good maps.
?
EdKing




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To: NW Modeling List 
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271





I have a question concerning the Abington Branch does anyone have any detailed maps of the line? I was on my Fedex Home Delivery route there in Todd and West J and was trying to figure it all out. what gets me is those bridge piers out on railroad grade road were they part of the rail line? tony

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:08 PM


Dave,

It's an F9, one part of an A-B-B-A set which generally travels together.? I'm sure others will comment on the history and origins of the 4 locomotives, as they are not originally Southern or N&W.? The road numbers pick up after the last of the Southern F units, I believe.

There are LOTS of pictures all over the internet if these infernal beasts.

As for modeling, an Athearn F7 is pretty close, especially if you can get one of the sets they released in NS paint.? As far as I know, there are no decals available for these engines.? The colors are standard Southern tuxedo - black, imitation aluminum (very light gray) and duluxe gold (yellow).? The exact paint match is a hotly debated topic among Southern circles, much like the "perfect" tuscan red is here.

Kenneth Rickman

NW Modeling List wrote:
> Mailing list:
> What is the class number of NS's #4271?? E-'something'?
> Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
> In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers?
> Are there more images available?
> Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
>???Modeling list:
> What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
> [Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?
>? (image attached)
>? Dave Willis
> (blt 1962, c/n 4)
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:15:53 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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Agreed, I don't see anything wrong with the scheme. Joe Grzelak

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:31:17 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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Tony - go to the N&WHS website.  They have all manner of publications that N&W fans can enjoy.  Then join up.

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      where can I find this at? tony

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        From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
        Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
        To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
        Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:32 PM


        Tony - Louis Newton's Rails Remembered Vol. III has some good maps.

        EdKing


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        Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:58 PM
        To: NW Modeling List 
        Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271


              I have a question concerning the Abington Branch does anyone have any detailed maps of the line? I was on my Fedex Home Delivery route there in Todd and West J and was trying to figure it all out. what gets me is those bridge piers out on railroad grade road were they part of the rail line? tony

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                From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
                Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
                To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
                Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:08 PM


                Dave,

                It's an F9, one part of an A-B-B-A set which generally travels together.  I'm sure others will comment on the history and origins of the 4 locomotives, as they are not originally Southern or N&W.  The road numbers pick up after the last of the Southern F units, I believe.

                There are LOTS of pictures all over the internet if these infernal beasts.

                As for modeling, an Athearn F7 is pretty close, especially if you can get one of the sets they released in NS paint.  As far as I know, there are no decals available for these engines.  The colors are standard Southern tuxedo - black, imitation aluminum (very light gray) and duluxe gold (yellow).  The exact paint match is a hotly debated topic among Southern circles, much like the "perfect" tuscan red is here.

                Kenneth Rickman

                NW Modeling List wrote:
                > Mailing list:
                > What is the class number of NS's #4271?  E-'something'?
                > Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
                > In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers?
                > Are there more images available?
                > Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
                >   Modeling list:
                > What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
                > [Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?
                >  (image attached)
                >  Dave Willis
                > (blt 1962, c/n 4)
                > 
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:17:50 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271



I'm not the only one to think this is the worst paint scheme in the 
collective history of all NS' former roads?

Mike Rector



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To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 1:15:49 PM
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

Dave:
The subject locomotive is an F9A, EMD. It is part of a set NS uses for 
business and special trains. The other three are:
4271 F9A
4275 F7B (no cab)
4276 F7B (no cab)

See:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=79233

These units are painted in a scheme very similar to the former Southern 
Railway F's.

Also to see the more info on each see:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=NS&Page=16

Charlie Long



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Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

    Mailing list:
What is the class number of NS's #4271?? E-'something'?
Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different 
numbers?
Are there more images available?
Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
?
?
Modeling list:
What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
[Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints 
could you recommend?
?
(image attached)
?
Dave Willis
(blt 1962, c/n 4)


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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:12:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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okeedokee thanks

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 4:31 PM



Tony - go to the N&WHS website.? They have all manner of publications that N&W fans can enjoy.? Then join up.
?
EdKing




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where can I find this at? tony

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Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:32 PM



Tony - Louis Newton's Rails Remembered Vol. III has some good maps.
?
EdKing




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I have a question concerning the Abington Branch does anyone have any detailed maps of the line? I was on my Fedex Home Delivery route there in Todd and West J and was trying to figure it all out. what gets me is those bridge piers out on railroad grade road were they part of the rail line? tony

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Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:08 PM


Dave,

It's an F9, one part of an A-B-B-A set which generally travels together.? I'm sure others will comment on the history and origins of the 4 locomotives, as they are not originally Southern or N&W.? The road numbers pick up after the last of the Southern F units, I believe.

There are LOTS of pictures all over the internet if these infernal beasts.

As for modeling, an Athearn F7 is pretty close, especially if you can get one of the sets they released in NS paint.? As far as I know, there are no decals available for these engines.? The colors are standard Southern tuxedo - black, imitation aluminum (very light gray) and duluxe gold (yellow).? The exact paint match is a hotly debated topic among Southern circles, much like the "perfect" tuscan red is here.

Kenneth Rickman

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> What is the class number of NS's #4271?? E-'something'?
> Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
> In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different numbers?
> Are there more images available?
> Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
>???Modeling list:
> What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
> [Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints could you recommend?
>? (image attached)
>? Dave Willis
> (blt 1962, c/n 4)
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:47:44 -0500
Subject: Broadway Y6b
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Broadway Limited is again releasing the Y6b. This time with roadnumbers
2198, 2191, and undecorated.

Mason Cooper


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Still none pre-numbered for Roanoke Terminal Y-6bs (2171-2180)!?!?

EdKing

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> Broadway Limited is again releasing the Y6b. This time with roadnumbers
> 2198, 2191, and undecorated.
> 
> Mason Cooper
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Fri Nov 27 08:01:16 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:01:16 -0500
Subject: 3rd Rail Y6a & Y6b
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3rd Rail's Y6a & Y6b are shipping. My Y6a arrived Monday. Has anyone else recieved theirs yet?
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Subject: BLI H-2a Hoppers
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Have the deficiencies in this model, as noted in the "Upgrading the BLI H-2a Hopper" articles that appeared in the 12/05 issue of The Arrow and the 01/06 issue of Mainline Modeler, been corrected in later production runs by BLI?  Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:48:08 -0600
Subject: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 71, Issue 47
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Good Day Gents,
 When a locomotive is shown as "undecorated" is it painted with out decals and numbers or does it require painting before decals can be applied?
Thanks' Dennis Martin

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Broadway Limited is again releasing the Y6b. This time with roadnumbers
2198, 2191, and undecorated.

Mason Cooper



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Still none pre-numbered for Roanoke Terminal Y-6bs (2171-2180)!?!?

EdKing

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> Broadway Limited is again releasing the Y6b. This time with roadnumbers
> 2198, 2191, and undecorated.
> 
> Mason Cooper
> 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Fri Nov 27 19:06:31 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:06:31 -0600
Subject: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 71, Issue 47
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Sometimes one and sometimes the other. It used to be no paint, but in recent
years, some companies (such as Bachmann) have been offering steam
locomotives with "no lettering." They are painted. "Undecorated" usually
means no paint at all.    Jim Nichols 

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Good Day Gents,
 When a locomotive is shown as "undecorated" is it painted with out decals
and numbers or does it require painting before decals can be applied?
Thanks' Dennis Martin
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:22:34 +0000
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 BLI are painted just unlettered. Some of the diesel manufacturers like Athearn do just primer.

Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

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Good Day Gents,
 When a locomotive is shown as "undecorated" is it painted with out decals and numbers or does it require painting before decals can be applied?
Thanks' Dennis Martin

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Broadway Limited is again releasing the Y6b. This time with roadnumbers
2198, 2191, and undecorated.

Mason Cooper



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Still none pre-numbered for Roanoke Terminal Y-6bs (2171-2180)!?!?

EdKing

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> Broadway Limited is again releasing the Y6b. This time with roadnumbers
> 2198, 2191, and undecorated.
> 
> Mason Cooper
> 
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:22:19 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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I made a negative comment about the paint scheme in talking with some NS folks this summer at the Convention in the lounge at Hotel Roanoke.  Seems one of these folks was responsible for the scheme.  I really put my foot in my mouth.  He's a really nice guy, a railfan, and pro-N&W.  Whether through guilt or simply becoming accustomed to the scheme's variations from the Southern scheme that was used for its basis...... it's grown on me.  Regardless of whether we like or don't like the paint scheme it certainly is nice  that NS preserves and operates the set of F's (NS management deserves our thanks).  Chasing them from Narrows to Bluefield this summer really brought back old memories as their 567 prime movers worked their way up grade from Glen Lyn to Bluefield.

Ed Painter Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR

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No, but remember Rule 1.

Jeff Cornelius


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I'm not the only one to think this is the worst paint scheme in the 
collective history of all NS' former roads?

Mike Rector



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Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

Dave:
The subject locomotive is an F9A, EMD. It is part of a set NS uses for 
business and special trains. The other three are:
4271 F9A
4275 F7B (no cab)
4276 F7B (no cab)

See:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=79233

These units are painted in a scheme very similar to the former Southern 
Railway F's.

Also to see the more info on each see:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=NS&Page=16

Charlie Long



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Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

    Mailing list:
What is the class number of NS's #4271?? E-'something'?
Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different 
numbers?
Are there more images available?
Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
?
?
Modeling list:
What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
[Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints 
could you recommend?
?
(image attached)
?
Dave Willis
(blt 1962, c/n 4)


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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Nov 29 22:49:31 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:49:31 -0500
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271
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I'm a great believer in Rule 1 (the modelers' version, "this is my 
railroad...") and personally I'm glad to see F-units, regardless of 
their history and markings, alive and well.
I should confess I'm not one of those who dislike the joining of the 
Southern black color scheme with the modern Thoroughbred markings, but 
they're entitled to their opinions.

Jeff Cornelius
Stuarts Draft


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To: 'NW Modeling List' <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:22 pm
Subject: RE: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271


I made a negative comment about the paint scheme in talking with some 
NS folks
this summer at the Convention in the lounge at Hotel Roanoke.  Seems 
one of
these folks was responsible for the scheme.  I really put my foot in my 
mouth.
He's a really nice guy, a railfan, and pro-N&W.  Whether through guilt 
or simply
becoming accustomed to the scheme's variations from the Southern scheme 
that was
used for its basis...... it's grown on me.  Regardless of whether we 
like or
don't like the paint scheme it certainly is nice  that NS preserves and 
operates
the set of F's (NS management deserves our thanks).  Chasing them from 
Narrows
to Bluefield this summer really brought back old memories as their 567 
prime
movers worked their way up grade from Glen Lyn to Bluefield.

Ed Painter Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:18 PM
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

No, but remember Rule 1.

Jeff Cornelius


-----Original Message-----
From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271



I'm not the only one to think this is the worst paint scheme in the
collective history of all NS' former roads?

Mike Rector



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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 1:15:49 PM
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

Dave:
The subject locomotive is an F9A, EMD. It is part of a set NS uses for
business and special trains. The other three are:
4271 F9A
4275 F7B (no cab)
4276 F7B (no cab)

See:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=79233

These units are painted in a scheme very similar to the former Southern
Railway F's.

Also to see the more info on each see:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=NS&Page=16

Charlie Long



-----Original Message-----
From: NW Modeling List
Sent: Nov 25, 2009 10:16 AM
To: Norfolk Western Mailing List , N&W Modeling List
Subject: Norfolk Southern Business Locomotive #4271

    Mailing list:
What is the class number of NS's #4271?? E-'something'?
Are they used in pairs, A-A (coupled tail to tail?) or A-B?
In the case of MU, does the 'set' have one engine number or different
numbers?
Are there more images available?
Is more information available in one of the Society Books?
?
?
Modeling list:
What HO scale model(s) is a good starting point for this locomotive?
[Ducking for cover as I ask this] What are the colors and what paints
could you recommend?
?
(image attached)
?
Dave Willis
(blt 1962, c/n 4)


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