From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Feb 9 00:36:13 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:36:13 -0500 Subject: Train Master ? In-Reply-To: <001801caa78a$759eb060$60dc1120$@net> References: <000501caa45b$66605950$33210bf0$@net> <002601caa483$2e3114c0$8a933e40$@net> <3CA010BDD3BB4BBFA7D19C07A2E3AECC@601ek604PC> <001e01caa4e8$915587b0$b4009710$@net> <00c401caa74e$d2fb1b40$78f151c0$@net> <001801caa78a$759eb060$60dc1120$@net> Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BBCBC63@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> I don't recall any ex-VGN H-24-66 Trainmasters being painted blue. All the ex-Wabash H-24-66 Trainmasters were blue as best I recall from seeing them at Bellevue, Brewster, or Roanoke. The problem with a blue ATLAS Trainmaster is that all the Wabash units were re-engined by ALCO prior to the merger (with stack and hood air filter modifications different than FM standards). Additionally the Wabash units had walkway variations that are different than the previous runs by ATLAS. Unless ATLAS is doing some significant Trainmaster model variations blue wouldn't be accurate. For a reality check....does anyone have a picture of a blue ex-Virginian H-24-66? Not H-16-44's ......I have shots of several ex-VGN H-16-44's in blue. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:14 PM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Train Master ? It all depends on what scheme was in use at the time the individual unit was repainted. And some got repainted more than once. I remember seeing ex-Vgn trainmasters in black with the script herald. BTW - Athearn used the blue scheme, but then, Athearn is not what you wanted. Jim Nichols From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:07 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Train Master ? Were the N&W Train Masters painted in the Half Moon black, and the ex Wabash repainted in the Half Moon blue? Atlas is rerunning the N&W Train Masters in Black with the Half Moon emblem, I was hoping for the blue scheme. Stephen Rineair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Feb 9 11:37:05 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:37:05 -0500 Subject: Train Master ? In-Reply-To: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BBCBC63@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> References: <000501caa45b$66605950$33210bf0$@net><002601caa483$2e3114c0$8a933e40$@net><3CA010BDD3BB4BBFA7D19C07A2E3AECC@601ek604PC><001e01caa4e8$915587b0$b4009710$@net> <00c401caa74e$d2fb1b40$78f151c0$@net><001801caa78a$759eb060$60dc1120$@net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BBCBC63@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <81CB2D3F627E4110875EDE5DDBB0B040@Danslaptop> All the pictures I have located over the past couple of days of ex VGN TMs have been in the black with the old script herald or the so called "hamburger" herald. Apparentally they were all repainted before the blue became standard and lasted in their black colors into the large white NW era before they were up for repaint. Your guess is as good as mine on the ex WAB units but would imagine they did get some done in blue. As for the "redbird" "bluebird" moniker on the passenger GP9s, the origin of the nickname is probably lost to antiquity. Remember the original passenger geeps were painted in the black steam era scheme and then repainted in red when the second order of passenger geeps arrived factory painted red. All other locomotives on the railroad were painted black at the time so the passenger units would certainly stand out and likely were given their nickname by employees. N&W/NS employees are prone to using colorful nicknames and sticking with them. For instance today in 2010 the track adjacent to mains 1 and 2, which is used as a departure track for many westbounds is still called the "Motor Car" track in spite of the electrification being many years in the past. Diesel locomotives are still called "motors" as a matter of course. Similarly the track adjacent to the Virginia Div "pull in" is still called the "engine" track; engine referring of course to a steam locomotive. I remember when the first GE units with comfort cabs arrived, long after they were standard on other railroads, the crews referred to them as "Cadillacs". There are many other colorful nicknames and sayings which were coined by the railroaders themselves. At our annual train show (Pocahontas Chapter NRHS) in Bluefield every November one of my favorite activities is just hanging around the N&W "old heads" listening to colorful stories of railroading. As to the "bluebird" moniker, since the passenger geeps had priority for repainting, seemingly for publicity purposes, when the Pevler blue became standard; it probably just grew naturally out of the old "redbird" nickname. Dan Mulhearn, modeling "The Poky" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Feb 9 11:16:01 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:16:01 -0600 Subject: Train Master ? In-Reply-To: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BBCBC63@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> References: <000501caa45b$66605950$33210bf0$@net> <002601caa483$2e3114c0$8a933e40$@net> <3CA010BDD3BB4BBFA7D19C07A2E3AECC@601ek604PC> <001e01caa4e8$915587b0$b4009710$@net> <00c401caa74e$d2fb1b40$78f151c0$@net> <001801caa78a$759eb060$60dc1120$@net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BBCBC63@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <000f01caa9a3$2c3eb170$84bc1450$@net> I have not seen a color shot of an ex-Vgn trainmaster in blue. However, there are many black and white shots of them with the half moon herald. Since the black half moon scheme was used a relatively short period compared to the blue half moon scheme, it is just possible that at least one of these is a shot of a blue trainmaster. Again, no smoking gun; but never say "never." Ed is right about the Wabash units being different. On page 242 of the Withers/Bowers First Generation Diesels book, the 3598 is misidentified as ex-Wabash, when the louvers clearly identify it as ex-Virginian. (and identified as such in the roster data) Compare with the ex-Wabash 3594 at the top of the page. Jim Nichols From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:36 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: RE: Train Master ? I don't recall any ex-VGN H-24-66 Trainmasters being painted blue. All the ex-Wabash H-24-66 Trainmasters were blue as best I recall from seeing them at Bellevue, Brewster, or Roanoke. The problem with a blue ATLAS Trainmaster is that all the Wabash units were re-engined by ALCO prior to the merger (with stack and hood air filter modifications different than FM standards). Additionally the Wabash units had walkway variations that are different than the previous runs by ATLAS. Unless ATLAS is doing some significant Trainmaster model variations blue wouldn't be accurate. For a reality check..does anyone have a picture of a blue ex-Virginian H-24-66? Not H-16-44's ..I have shots of several ex-VGN H-16-44's in blue. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:14 PM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Train Master ? It all depends on what scheme was in use at the time the individual unit was repainted. And some got repainted more than once. I remember seeing ex-Vgn trainmasters in black with the script herald. BTW - Athearn used the blue scheme, but then, Athearn is not what you wanted. Jim Nichols From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:07 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Train Master ? Were the N&W Train Masters painted in the Half Moon black, and the ex Wabash repainted in the Half Moon blue? Atlas is rerunning the N&W Train Masters in Black with the Half Moon emblem, I was hoping for the blue scheme. Stephen Rineair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Feb 9 22:07:36 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:07:36 -0500 Subject: Bird ? In-Reply-To: <5BBF0EA733A74229B444811D3E08F14B@MillsPC> References: <000501caa45b$66605950$33210bf0$@net> <002601caa483$2e3114c0$8a933e40$@net> <3CA010BDD3BB4BBFA7D19C07A2E3AECC@601ek604PC> <001e01caa4e8$915587b0$b4009710$@net> <00c901caa74f$7dab8c50$7902a4f0$@net> <06864DD959CB4DDC962D6DCC577B16D6@Jimmy> <5BBF0EA733A74229B444811D3E08F14B@MillsPC> Message-ID: Don't forget NC, too. Cal Harris On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:49 PM, NW Modeling List wrote: > The Cardinal is also the state bird of WV, KY, OH and IN. Don Mills > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* NW Modeling List > *To:* NW Modeling List > *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2010 12:40 AM > *Subject:* Re: RE:Bird ? > > I'd guess that it came from the state bird of Va. the Cardinal. > Jimmy Lisle > > ------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org > > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list > Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list > Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 09:38:40 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:38:40 -0500 Subject: Train Master ? In-Reply-To: <000f01caa9a3$2c3eb170$84bc1450$@net> References: <000501caa45b$66605950$33210bf0$@net> <002601caa483$2e3114c0$8a933e40$@net> <3CA010BDD3BB4BBFA7D19C07A2E3AECC@601ek604PC> <001e01caa4e8$915587b0$b4009710$@net> <00c401caa74e$d2fb1b40$78f151c0$@net> <001801caa78a$759eb060$60dc1120$@net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BBCBC63@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> <000f01caa9a3$2c3eb170$84bc1450$@net> Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BCF7A3D@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> II have color 35-mm slides of several ex-VGN TM's in black with half moon or script heralds and 173 in black and NW.. Does anyone have shots or positive knowledge of N&W road numbers 150 -174 (the former Virginian Trainmasters) ever being in blue with half moon heralds? Again there were a number of the ex-Virginian H-16-44's painted blue; N&W road numbers 110-149. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:16 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Train Master ? I have not seen a color shot of an ex-Vgn trainmaster in blue. However, there are many black and white shots of them with the half moon herald. Since the black half moon scheme was used a relatively short period compared to the blue half moon scheme, it is just possible that at least one of these is a shot of a blue trainmaster. Again, no smoking gun; but never say "never." Ed is right about the Wabash units being different. On page 242 of the Withers/Bowers First Generation Diesels book, the 3598 is misidentified as ex-Wabash, when the louvers clearly identify it as ex-Virginian. (and identified as such in the roster data) Compare with the ex-Wabash 3594 at the top of the page. Jim Nichols From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:36 PM To: NW Modeling List Subject: RE: Train Master ? I don't recall any ex-VGN H-24-66 Trainmasters being painted blue. All the ex-Wabash H-24-66 Trainmasters were blue as best I recall from seeing them at Bellevue, Brewster, or Roanoke. The problem with a blue ATLAS Trainmaster is that all the Wabash units were re-engined by ALCO prior to the merger (with stack and hood air filter modifications different than FM standards). Additionally the Wabash units had walkway variations that are different than the previous runs by ATLAS. Unless ATLAS is doing some significant Trainmaster model variations blue wouldn't be accurate. For a reality check....does anyone have a picture of a blue ex-Virginian H-24-66? Not H-16-44's ......I have shots of several ex-VGN H-16-44's in blue. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:14 PM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Train Master ? It all depends on what scheme was in use at the time the individual unit was repainted. And some got repainted more than once. I remember seeing ex-Vgn trainmasters in black with the script herald. BTW - Athearn used the blue scheme, but then, Athearn is not what you wanted. Jim Nichols From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:07 AM To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: Train Master ? Were the N&W Train Masters painted in the Half Moon black, and the ex Wabash repainted in the Half Moon blue? Atlas is rerunning the N&W Train Masters in Black with the Half Moon emblem, I was hoping for the blue scheme. Stephen Rineair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 10:52:59 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:52:59 -0500 Subject: Train Master ? In-Reply-To: <81CB2D3F627E4110875EDE5DDBB0B040@Danslaptop> References: <000501caa45b$66605950$33210bf0$@net><002601caa483$2e3114c0$8a933e40$@net><3CA010BDD3BB4BBFA7D19C07A2E3AECC@601ek604PC><001e01caa4e8$915587b0$b4009710$@net> <00c401caa74e$d2fb1b40$78f151c0$@net><001801caa78a$759eb060$60dc1120$@net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BBCBC63@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> <81CB2D3F627E4110875EDE5DDBB0B040@Danslaptop> Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A91013BCF7B03@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> All the ex-Wabash units were painted blue with half moon heralds. I have 35 mm slides of them all in blue. I don't recall any ex-Wabash TM's, N&W road numbers 3592-3599, being painted in any black scheme????? When living in Ohio in the 70's I'd regularly visit Bellevue where the ex-Wabash H-24-66's worked the Hump in sets of 3. They'd also show up at Brewster periodically for maintenance. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:37 AM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: Train Master ? All the pictures I have located over the past couple of days of ex VGN TMs have been in the black with the old script herald or the so called "hamburger" herald. Apparent ally they were all repainted before the blue became standard and lasted in their black colors into the large white NW era before they were up for repaint. Your guess is as good as mine on the ex WAB units but would imagine they did get some done in blue. As for the "redbird" "bluebird" moniker on the passenger GP9s, the origin of the nickname is probably lost to antiquity. Remember the original passenger geeps were painted in the black steam era scheme and then repainted in red when the second order of passenger geeps arrived factory painted red. All other locomotives on the railroad were painted black at the time so the passenger units would certainly stand out and likely were given their nickname by employees. N&W/NS employees are prone to using colorful nicknames and sticking with them. For instance today in 2010 the track adjacent to mains 1 and 2, which is used as a departure track for many westbounds is still called the "Motor Car" track in spite of the electrification being many years in the past. Diesel locomotives are still called "motors" as a matter of course. Similarly the track adjacent to the Virginia Div "pull in" is still called the "engine" track; engine referring of course to a steam locomotive. I remember when the first GE units with comfort cabs arrived, long after they were standard on other railroads, the crews referred to them as "Cadillacs". There are many other colorful nicknames and sayings which were coined by the railroaders themselves. At our annual train show (Pocahontas Chapter NRHS) in Bluefield every November one of my favorite activities is just hanging around the N&W "old heads" listening to colorful stories of railroading. As to the "bluebird" moniker, since the passenger geeps had priority for repainting, seemingly for publicity purposes, when the Pevler blue became standard; it probably just grew naturally out of the old "redbird" nickname. Dan Mulhearn, modeling "The Poky" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 11:49:52 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:49:52 -0500 Subject: Bird ? References: <000501caa45b$66605950$33210bf0$@net><002601caa483$2e3114c0$8a933e40$@net><3CA010BDD3BB4BBFA7D19C07A2E3AECC@601ek604PC><001e01caa4e8$915587b0$b4009710$@net><00c901caa74f$7dab8c50$7902a4f0$@net><06864DD959CB4DDC962D6DCC577B16D6@Jimmy><5BBF0EA733A74229B444811D3E08F14B@MillsPC> Message-ID: And Illinois. David Lugar ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: RE:Bird ? Don't forget NC, too. Cal Harris On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:49 PM, NW Modeling List wrote: The Cardinal is also the state bird of WV, KY, OH and IN. Don Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 12:40 AM Subject: Re: RE:Bird ? I'd guess that it came from the state bird of Va. the Cardinal. Jimmy Lisle -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 16:55:22 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:55:22 -0500 Subject: Bird ? In-Reply-To: References: <000501caa45b$66605950$33210bf0$@net><002601caa483$2e3114c0$8a933e40$@net><3CA010BDD3BB4BBFA7D19C07A2E3AECC@601ek604PC><001e01caa4e8$915587b0$b4009710$@net><00c901caa74f$7dab8c50$7902a4f0$@net><06864DD959CB4DDC962D6DCC577B16D6@Jimmy><5BBF0EA733A74229B444811D3E08F14B@MillsPC> Message-ID: <003601caaa9b$be921d20$3bb65760$@net> Since I started this thread, let's see if I got this straight. We have "Red Birds' and we have 'Blue Birds' we also have "Skunks". Does that make the rest 'Black Birds'? Stephen Rineair From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:50 AM To: NW Modeling List Subject: Re: RE:Bird ? And Illinois. David Lugar ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: RE:Bird ? Don't forget NC, too. Cal Harris On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:49 PM, NW Modeling List wrote: The Cardinal is also the state bird of WV, KY, OH and IN. Don Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 12:40 AM Subject: Re: RE:Bird ? I'd guess that it came from the state bird of Va. the Cardinal. 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Now Network from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: NW Modeling List Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:55:22 To: 'NW Modeling List' Subject: RE: RE:Bird ? ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Fri Feb 12 18:11:58 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:11:58 EST Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question Message-ID: <15857.5185154.38a73a3e@aol.com> I recently introduced our HO and N Scale N&W Passenger Car decal set and they have sold very well. My question is, is there a market for these in O Scale? I have gotten one request so far to make them in O. Just curious if the O Modelers would like to see this set produced. The art is complete already and they could be available in as little as six weeks. I would estimate the cost to be around $8.99 per set and they would do one car. Thanks, Richard D. Shell ShellScale Decals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 20:19:08 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:19:08 -0500 Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question In-Reply-To: <15857.5185154.38a73a3e@aol.com> References: <15857.5185154.38a73a3e@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7B2AD731482E-59C0-541@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> I suspect that there are very few modelers doing serious O scale models of the N&W (I'm not one), but that those few are serious enough to buy a dozen cars' worth of your fine decals. There are serious question to ask of them as to era, since the color and wording shifts. Jeff Cornelius -----Original Message----- From: NW Modeling List To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:11 pm Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question I recently introduced our HO and N Scale N&W Passenger Car decal set and they have sold very well. My question is, is there a market for these in O Scale? I have gotten one request so far to make them in O. Just curious if the O Modelers would like to see this set produced. The art is complete already and they could be available in as little as six weeks. I would estimate the cost to be around $8.99 per set and they would do one car. ? Thanks, ? Richard D. Shell ShellScale Decals________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 21:57:15 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:57:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Athearn hoppers In-Reply-To: <15857.5185154.38a73a3e@aol.com> Message-ID: <836036.39244.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> can anyone tell me if the Athearn 2 bay peaked ends are the correct numbers??the ones I have are #34806. thanks. tony putnam --- On Fri, 2/12/10, NW Modeling List wrote: From: NW Modeling List Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:11 PM I recently introduced our HO and N Scale N&W Passenger Car decal set and they have sold very well. My question is, is there a market for these in O Scale? I have gotten one request so far to make them in O. Just curious if the O Modelers would like to see this set produced. The art is complete already and they could be available in as little as six weeks. I would estimate the cost to be around $8.99 per set and they would do one car. ? Thanks, ? Richard D. Shell ShellScale Decals -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 23:14:09 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:14:09 -0500 Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question In-Reply-To: <8CC7B2AD731482E-59C0-541@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <15857.5185154.38a73a3e@aol.com> <8CC7B2AD731482E-59C0-541@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00f401caad2c$287e42d0$797ac870$@net> Richard: I find that this is not the greatest sight to do a product survey. There always seem to be little support for anything unless it's free and O scalars are limited here. I believe you need to look at what N&W products are out there for the O scale decals. Little if any! Therefore I would not produce something that there is no product to use on. I have some of Sam Putneys O scale passenger car decals and have only used them once on an O Scale American Models passenger car about 20 years ago. Just an observation. Stephen Rineair I recently introduced our HO and N Scale N&W Passenger Car decal set and they have sold very well. My question is, is there a market for these in O Scale? I have gotten one request so far to make them in O. Just curious if the O Modelers would like to see this set produced. The art is complete already and they could be available in as little as six weeks. I would estimate the cost to be around $8.99 per set and they would do one car. Thanks, Richard D. Shell ShellScale Decals________________________________________ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 10:26:53 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:26:53 -0500 Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question References: <15857.5185154.38a73a3e@aol.com> <8CC7B2AD731482E-59C0-541@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <403C6DA47F3F47518AF224E6D672F637@Jimmy> Richard, Count me in as being one of those..."few modelers doing serious O scale models of the N&W"..."enough to buy a dozen cars' worth of your fine decals." BTW, Jeff, just what is a "serious" model of the N&W? Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 13:18:02 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:18:02 EST Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question Message-ID: <1d708.4675bd0a.38a9985a@aol.com> Thanks for your honest input. I didn't know Sam had done the set in O. Sam, if you are listening... Do you still have some? I may have a customer for you! I think I will hold off on that set for a while. On another note, I am releasing our newest set, HO134, N134 and O134 in about 6 weeks. This set is for the N&W cars that were painted in Union Pacific colors. HO Scale proof is attached. Thanks, Richard D. Shell ShellScale Decals In a message dated 2/14/2010 7:59:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes: Richard: I find that this is not the greatest sight to do a product survey. There always seem to be little support for anything unless it's free and O scalars are limited here. I believe you need to look at what N&W products are out there for the O scale decals. Little if any! Therefore I would not produce something that there is no product to use on. I have some of Sam Putneys O scale passenger car decals and have only used them once on an O Scale American Models passenger car about 20 years ago. Just an observation. Stephen Rineair I recently introduced our HO and N Scale N&W Passenger Car decal set and they have sold very well. My question is, is there a market for these in O Scale? I have gotten one request so far to make them in O. Just curious if the O Modelers would like to see this set produced. The art is complete already and they could be available in as little as six weeks. I would estimate the cost to be around $8.99 per set and they would do one car. Thanks, Richard D. Shell ShellScale Decals________________________________________ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 319882 bytes Desc: not available Url : From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 17:32:29 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:32:29 -0500 Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question In-Reply-To: <1d708.4675bd0a.38a9985a@aol.com> References: <1d708.4675bd0a.38a9985a@aol.com> Message-ID: <016d01caadc5$978f8b90$c6aea2b0$@net> Richard: What was nice about Sam?s O decals is that the name and strips were the length of the cars which made the sheets 12 ? inches long (no Splicing). He included County, College, etc. names, with the single and double stripes, and numbers. Sam also did the O J decals (not to be confused with O J Simpson). Stephen Rineair To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question Thanks for your honest input. I didn't know Sam had done the set in O. Sam, if you are listening... Do you still have some? I may have a customer for you! I think I will hold off on that set for a while. On another note, I am releasing our newest set, HO134, N134 and O134 in about 6 weeks. This set is for the N&W cars that were painted in Union Pacific colors. HO Scale proof is attached. Thanks, Richard D. Shell ShellScale Decals ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 21:25:09 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:25:09 -0500 Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question In-Reply-To: <403C6DA47F3F47518AF224E6D672F637@Jimmy> References: <403C6DA47F3F47518AF224E6D672F637@Jimmy> Message-ID: <8CC7BFD3AF91643-757C-10E9A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> I was trying to draw a distinction between the Lionel short cars with bogus numbers and scale-length cars with more detail. Lionel trains are fun, and I have a few, but don't try to make them more prototypical. Jeff Cornelius -----Original Message----- From: NW Modeling List To: NW Modeling List Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2010 10:26 am Subject: Re: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question Richard, ??? Count me in as being one of those..."few modelers doing serious O scale models of the N&W"..."enough to buy a dozen cars' worth of your fine decals." ? BTW, Jeff, just what is a "serious" model of the N&W? ? Jimmy Lisle________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 18:11:31 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:11:31 EST Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question Message-ID: <232ea.5596cd9f.38a9dd23@aol.com> Jimmy, The project isn't dead, just postponed shortly. Thanks, Richard In a message dated 2/14/2010 5:06:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes: Richard, Count me in as being one of those..."few modelers doing serious O scale models of the N&W"..."enough to buy a dozen cars' worth of your fine decals." BTW, Jeff, just what is a "serious" model of the N&W? Jimmy Lisle ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 19:01:47 2010 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:01:47 +0000 Subject: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question In-Reply-To: <1d708.4675bd0a.38a9985a@aol.com> References: <1d708.4675bd0a.38a9985a@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Can somebody please explain about N & W cars being painted in UP livery. Which, when and why would be appreciated. Many thanks Barry Reeves Songwriter & Musician www.northwestlondonblues.co.uk Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:18:02 -0500 Subject: Re: O Scale Passenger Car Decal Question To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Thanks for your honest input. I didn't know Sam had done the set in O. Sam, if you are listening... Do you still have some? I may have a customer for you! I think I will hold off on that set for a while. On another note, I am releasing our newest set, HO134, N134 and O134 in about 6 weeks. This set is for the N&W cars that were painted in Union Pacific colors. HO Scale proof is attached. Thanks, Richard D. Shell ShellScale Decals In a message dated 2/14/2010 7:59:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes: Richard: I find that this is not the greatest sight to do a product survey. There always seem to be little support for anything unless it's free and O scalars are limited here. I believe you need to look at what N&W products are out there for the O scale decals. Little if any! Therefore I would not produce something that there is no product to use on. I have some of Sam Putneys O scale passenger car decals and have only used them once on an O Scale American Models passenger car about 20 years ago. Just an observation. Stephen Rineair I recently introduced our HO and N Scale N&W Passenger Car decal set and they have sold very well. My question is, is there a market for these in O Scale? I have gotten one request so far to make them in O. Just curious if the O Modelers would like to see this set produced. The art is complete already and they could be available in as little as six weeks. I would estimate the cost to be around $8.99 per set and they would do one car. Thanks, Richard D. 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