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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Harold:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>As you stated,
you supplied the photo of a freshly painted M1, is the color of the roof
supposed to be brown or black? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Did</span><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'> DP g</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:black'>e</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>t it correct</span><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'> according to your photo</span><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>? </span><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Second, if you
are referring to me about needing a blue version of a BEj, you should have read
my post. I need a blue version of a BMj</span><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>If one is painting
an N&W blue locomotive, most modelers use C&O blue, SF blue, B&O
blue, or dark blue. Please note! All of these blues are very close
in the spectrum. The reds that our society wants to consider acceptable
are at one end of the red spectrum to the other. It is common sense that
we as a society can at least narrow the red spectrum. The DP cars are on
the far end of the spectrum of maroon/red/pink. There will always be
personal choices of shades of red as there are shades of the blue mentioned
above. As for a paint committee, isn’t that what the model committee is
responsible for also? Paint is part of the model. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>W</span><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>hat do you suggest </span><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>to be done</span><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;color:black'> for the next car by DP</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:black'>? </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I expect
variations from manufacturers to manufacturers. If we can get the blues
schemes close to each other, why can’t we get the reds and be happy that
they’re just close together? As far as the lighting of my photos of the
models, they were taken outside in natural light. The DP photos are poor
examples of the model showing shadows from dark to light. One last thing,
remember I stated that the color was my take on the model. Other people
are certainly allowed to like or dislike it as they please.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Stephen Rineair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ed: you stated the obvious regarding the color of the red.
The photo I supplied DP was of an M1 freshly painted. What red DP choose to
paint the car is their business. If anyone wants to see the M1 models in a
properly lit photo go to <a href="http://www.DivisionPoint.com">www.DivisionPoint.com</a>.
There are two photos of the painted models under the N&W heavyweight
pass. car listing. Also if someone is looking for a blue version of a BEj
photo one can be found on page 5 of Jim Nichols book -
N&W Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment. Any serious
N&W modeler will have a copy of Jim's book and would have known that a
photo of the BEj was within. Also railway postal cars did not have
"venetian blinds" but were required to have barred windows account
the carrying of certified mail containing cash and other valuables.
Harold Davenport<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Wed, 10/14/09, NW Modeling List <i><nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br>
Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj<br>
To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 7:45 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stephen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Same
old debate. When you look at videos or pictures of N&W prototypes
the colors go through a range of variation. As the N&W passenger
train passes by the different colors are amazing. I've pretty much stopped
losing sleep over the various colors on models. If it has more red than
PRR Tuscan and stays less red that a fire engine it probably matches one of
the cars going by on a N&W passenger consist in the 1950's.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ed
Painter; Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>NW Modeling List<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NW Modeling List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Mike:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I am seriously considering repainting
the model, which I feel should not have to be done for the price.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Even Tom Dressler, George Hughes, Dean
Freytag, Jim Nichols(?) at some of the first conventioneers agreed that the
IHC/AHM/Rivarossi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Car color is very close (having color
paint samples). Even the newer Branchline N&W kits are a very good
color match.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I sure wish our modeling committee could
have been at some of the early convention in which the N&W color was
discussed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>In great lengths so that we could get
better color quality control.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I can handle color variations from model
to model, but this is a little too far in left field.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I appreciate your suggestion Mike, but
not all modelers like to weather their model. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>It would be nice if the modeling committee
would use pervious produced models as a guide and come </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Reasonably close.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Stephen Rineair</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>NW Modeling List<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NW Modeling List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Will you attempt to
tone down the red with some black weathering?<br>
<br>
Mike Rector</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NW Modeling List
<nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br>
<b>To:</b> NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tue, October 13, 2009 8:00:12 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I received the Division Point M1 RPO
cars today.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>The car itself looks fantastic! The
diaphragms are very well executed, maybe one the best produced yet!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>The details on the car are very well done
and crisp. The window treatment are excellent with blinds(?) which helps hide
the empty interior.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>There are no lights in the car, but
could be added if one prefers. I will leave my as is for now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>The color, well let me say it’s some
type of maroon, red, pinkish color that doesn’t come close to the Overland,
Key, Rail Classic, AHM/Rivarossi cars, which are pretty much all the same.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>The red looks like the Bachman red which
is way far off, that there is no words to describe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>The roofs are charcoal, gray/brown or
something I can’t describe but definitely not black. I compared the roofs to
the N&W cabooses Division Point produced if they were </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>trying to do brown roofs, and they are
no match.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>The roof color doesn’t match any N&W
models ever produced that I’ve seen.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>The under body and end are black and is
very good and detailed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Division Point has a reputation of
screwing up the paint schemes, like the N&W Blue(?) caboose and VGN
caboose red.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I am looking forward to the next car,
but sure hope they correct the paint. I personally will call Ken or
Jack at DP to let them know.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I give the car a 10, but the paint
a 6.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Stephen Rineair</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>crineair@fuse.net</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>NW Modeling List<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 12, 2009 6:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Just wondering,
where did you buy your M1 for $396? Thanks, John<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>To:
nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org<br>
Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj<br>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:16:22 -0400<br>
From: nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>For
those that are waiting for a correct </span><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>N&W Class BEj
Baggage Car (Nos. 110-124) I would recommend waiting for Division Point.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>The
Rail Classic N&W BEj is a very poor rendition of the car so I
dumped my after realizing all the problems. The Division Point car should
sell around the same price of $396 as the M1 RPO.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I have
not received my M1’s yet and will give all my take on the red. I just
hope they are not the hideous red as the Bachman passenger red.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Stephen
</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Another
heads up for the O scale VGN modeler. Sunset is doing the VGN AE
2-10-10-2 the end of this year.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>The O
Scale N&W K2a Streamlined is due early 2010.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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