<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">What about the "color card" someone mentioned at the pullman archives. Wouldn't this be a good place to start?<BR><BR>Charlie<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 10/16/09, NW Modeling List <I><nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><BR>Subject: RE: DP Passenger Cars<BR>To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><BR>Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:17 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim is right as is Bill McClure. The best that a paint committee can do is provide a model standard color to manufacturers so, hopefully, the models all have a similar color. It may or may not be prototypical- and it shouldn’t be due to lighting differences from sunlight to indoor lighting. Is this what the modeling community is seeking? What do you think? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>NW Modeling List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:06 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' NW Modeling List '<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: DP Passenger Cars</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The alternative, of course, is for each modeler to paint his own. I do that, but obviously a lot of people don’t want to or don’t feel competent to do so. We could have a self-appointed “paint” committee; but my guess is that they wouldn’t be able to build consensus either. Otherwise, why has this argument gone on for twenty five years? We just have to live with it, and rejoice when somebody paints a model in a shade which looks good to us. The color on the DP car could be better, but I don’t think it is unacceptable. But then, I don’t intend to pay that high a price for an M1. I will build one with plastic and paint it with my personal version of N&W Tuscan. BTW, the detail work on the DP model is excellent. Jim Nichols</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>NW Modeling List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:51 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> nw- modeling-list@nwhs.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> DP Passenger Cars</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Arial Black"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There is no question the NWHS Modeling Committee should be flogged then fired for not getting the color "right". Again! </SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>But, then, we wouldn't have the cars at all without their efforts...<BR><BR><FONT face="Arial Black"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'">What good is having the cars if they can't get the paint "right"? </SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>But they provided the data to the importer....<BR><BR><FONT face="Arial Black"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'">Yeah, but what good is that if the builder ignores it or gets it wrong!<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR>Yada, yada, yada.... Boring!<BR><BR>*****<BR><BR>Some builders are committed to accuracy and are willing to work with folks; some are not. Rich Yoder worked tirelessly with a group of members to get his VGN gons as "right" as possible and should
be praised for so doing. Sunset is doing the same thing for its VGN AE project. But at the end of the day, the projects belong to the vendors, not to us. We vote with our pocket books.<BR><BR>Just a thought: if we can't agree on N&W Tuscan...and I have yet to see a consensus...then how is a manufacturer to know? (Don't tell me color drift cards, because there is a big difference between that color...pick a color...and the same color on an HO model under indoor lighting.) The Pennsy group has worked for years, without a conclusion, trying to build consensus on scale mixes for PRR Tuscan, Brunswick Green, and Freight Car Color. At the end of the day, ya' likes what ya' likes. I'm just thrilled that in 2001 a builder is willing to tackle something as obscure as a one-off class of N&W RPO!<BR><BR>Now about those VGN heavyweights....<BR><BR>Bill McClure</DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<BR><BR>
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