<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">I stated this before but I'll repeat my opinion since it's come up for discussion again.</span><br style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><br style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">I'd like a model version of the red that the N&W put on their passenger cars. Not what so-and-so thinks looks right, or what it looks like in the morning sun, or after being faded for 7 months. Just what they put on their passenger cars in the shop. Anything other than that is just opinion. It seems like this should be a very cut-and-dry issue. What's the color that they used? If somebody doesn't like that color and wants to use
something else, then by all means they're allowed to.</span><br style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><br style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">Looking from my mail archives, here's what I've gathered. We could probably also ask Spencer what they used to paint their Redbird.</span><br style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><br>From Gary Rolih (1/23/08): "</span></font><font style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> I do have the reference for the Tuscan Red specified for the SD40 and C30-7’s that were painted in Tuscan. This is</span></font><font style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> DUCO 282-93520 Tuscan
Red which is an automotive/industrial paint code. </span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">The Modeling Committee was formed recently- just short of a year- and has a project list that it is working on. Paint and paint formulas is something for the future. But, they need time to work on the priorities from their project list. They are volunteers, too. </span></font><font style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"</span></font><br><br>From Rodney (no last name): "If you go back and look at past emails, I reported a while back that The State Historic Library Division of the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency has a set of Pullman Company Drift Control Color Cards. They supposedly contain the following colors: <div> Norfolk & Western Roof Brown #70-96 (described as darker
than IC Brown #70-28)</div> <div> Norfolk & Western Tuscan Red # 70-91 (described as lighter than PRR Tuscan Red # 70-18)</div> <div> Norfolk & Western Blue # 70-133 (described as redder than MoPac blue # 70-132)"<br><br>From Richard Shell of ShellScale: <br><div>Here is a list of N&W colors taken from various painting diagrams and blueprints.</div> <div> </div> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="margin: auto auto auto 4.65pt; width: 571.3pt; border-collapse: collapse;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="762"><tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 98pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="131"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">1776 Blue Poly...</span></p></td>
<td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 473.3pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="631"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Dupont 826, 24160U</span></p></td></tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 98pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="131"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">1776 Red</span></p></td> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 473.3pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="631"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">Dupont 29198U</span></p></td></tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 98pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="131"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">1776 White</span></p></td> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 473.3pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="631"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Dupont 508U</span></p></td></tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 98pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="131">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">1776 Yellow</span></p></td> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 473.3pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="631"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Dupont 54701U</span></p></td></tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 98pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="131"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Tuscan Red</span></p></td> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 473.3pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color:
transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="631"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">OEM: 2S MFG:FRD/1977/LINK DELSTAR: DAR2831X H -DARK RED ACRYLIC ENAMEL (NO METALIC)</span></p></td></tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 98pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="131"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Pevler Blue</span></p></td> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 473.3pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="631"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">OEM: 708A MFG: GM/1959/TRK
DELSTAR: DAR12232 BLUE ACRYLIC ENAMEL</span></p></td></tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 98pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="131"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Pevler Blue</span></p></td> <td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 473.3pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="631"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Model Master BLUE ANGEL BLUE is supposed to be a good match - have not verified.</span></p></td></tr></tbody></table><br><br></div><br>Brian Dembinski<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:
12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, October 17, 2009 11:37:45 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: DP Passenger Cars<br></font><br> <style> <!-- _filtered {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", "serif";} span.emailstyle17 {} span.emailstyle18 {} span.emailstyle171
{font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;} span.emailstyle181 {font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:navy;} span.EmailStyle21 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {} --> </style> <div class="Section1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Yes, you could start there, but the lack of a color chip is not the problem. As I have said before, the basic problem has to do with the subjective perception of what shade looks too light or too dark on a model. In my experience, most of the factory painted models have been too dark. (Bachmann and now DP are the exceptions. To me, they are a bit too light, although I would prefer that rather than “too dark.” Again, it is a subjective decision, and no modeling committee would be able to satisfy everyone.)
Jim Nichols</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>NW Modeling List<br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 16, 2009 8:39 PM<br> <b>To:</b> NW Modeling List<br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: DP Passenger Cars</span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="0"
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="padding: 0in; width: 674.25pt;" valign="top" width="899"> <p class="MsoNormal">What about the "color card" someone mentioned at the pullman archives. Wouldn't this be a good place to start?<br> <br> Charlie<br> <br> --- On <b>Fri, 10/16/09, NW Modeling List <i><nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org></i></b> wrote:</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br> Subject: RE: DP Passenger Cars<br> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:17 PM</p> <div id="yiv1733929772"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Jim is right as is Bill McClure. The best that a paint committee can do is provide a model standard color to
manufacturers so, hopefully, the models all have a similar color. It may or may not be prototypical- and it shouldn’t be due to lighting differences from sunlight to indoor lighting. Is this what the modeling community is seeking? What do you think? </span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"> </span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Gary Rolih</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Secretary N&WHS </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"> </span></p> <div> <div> <p
class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="color: navy;"> </span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br> <br> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br> <br> <span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> </span></p> </div> </div></div></div><br>
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