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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Brian:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>I agree with
you. All I want is what is on the real thing also! Some may tell me to get a
life, but that’s all I am asking. Maybe our president can approve money to be
spent on the color chips listed below and that would be that. Why are we making
things so difficult. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Stephen Rineair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>NW Modeling List<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NW Modeling List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: DP Passenger Cars<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I stated this before but I'll
repeat my opinion since it's come up for discussion again.<br>
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I'd like a model version of the red that the N&W put on their passenger
cars. Not what so-and-so thinks looks right, or what it looks like in the
morning sun, or after being faded for 7 months. Just what they put on their
passenger cars in the shop. Anything other than that is just opinion. It seems
like this should be a very cut-and-dry issue. What's the color that they used?
If somebody doesn't like that color and wants to use something else, then by
all means they're allowed to.<br>
<br>
Looking from my mail archives, here's what I've gathered. We could probably
also ask Spencer what they used to paint their Redbird.<br>
<br>
>From Gary Rolih (1/23/08): " I do have the reference for the Tuscan Red
specified for the SD40 and C30-7’s that were painted in Tuscan.
This is DUCO 282-93520 Tuscan Red which is an automotive/industrial paint code.
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
Modeling Committee was formed recently- just short of a year- and has a project
list that it is working on. Paint and paint formulas is something for the
future. But, they need time to work on the priorities from their project
list. They are volunteers, too. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"</span><br>
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>From Rodney (no last name): "If you go back and look at past
emails, I reported a while back that The State Historic Library
Division of the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency has a set of Pullman
Company Drift Control Color Cards. They supposedly contain the following
colors: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> Norfolk & Western Roof Brown #70-96
(described as darker than IC Brown #70-28)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> Norfolk & Western Tuscan Red # 70-91
(described as lighter than PRR Tuscan Red # 70-18)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> Norfolk & Western Blue # 70-133
(described as redder than MoPac blue # 70-132)"<br>
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>From Richard Shell of ShellScale: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Here is a list of N&W colors taken from various painting
diagrams and blueprints.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1776
Blue Poly...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dupont
826, 24160U</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1776
Red</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dupont
29198U</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1776
White</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dupont
508U</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1776
Yellow</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dupont
54701U</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Tuscan
Red</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>OEM:
2S MFG:FRD/1977/LINK DELSTAR: DAR2831X H -DARK RED ACRYLIC ENAMEL (NO
METALIC)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Pevler
Blue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>OEM:
708A MFG: GM/1959/TRK DELSTAR: DAR12232 BLUE ACRYLIC ENAMEL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Pevler
Blue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Model
Master BLUE ANGEL BLUE is supposed to be a good match - have not verified.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
Brian Dembinski<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NW Modeling List
<nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br>
<b>To:</b> NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sat, October 17, 2009 11:37:45 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: DP Passenger Cars</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yes, you could start there, but the lack of a color chip is not
the problem. As I have said before, the basic problem has to do with the
subjective perception of what shade looks too light or too dark on a model. In
my experience, most of the factory painted models have been too dark. (Bachmann
and now DP are the exceptions. To me, they are a bit too light, although I
would prefer that rather than “too dark.” Again, it is a subjective decision,
and no modeling committee would be able to satisfy everyone.) Jim
Nichols</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>NW Modeling List<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 16, 2009 8:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NW Modeling List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: DP Passenger Cars</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>What about the "color card" someone
mentioned at the pullman archives. Wouldn't this be a good place to
start?<br>
<br>
Charlie<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Fri, 10/16/09, NW Modeling List <i><nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br>
Subject: RE: DP Passenger Cars<br>
To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org><br>
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:17 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Jim is right as is Bill McClure. The best that a paint
committee can do is provide a model standard color to manufacturers so,
hopefully, the models all have a similar color. It may or may not be
prototypical- and it shouldn’t be due to lighting differences from sunlight
to indoor lighting. Is this what the modeling community is
seeking? What do you think? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Gary Rolih</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:navy'>Secretary N&WHS </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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