[Roundtable] FW: I love your website

[Jefferis Peterson]

With permission I am forwarding to the list a new member¹s post.
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Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com


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From: "Frank Wm Nagy" <fwmnagy at acd.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:25:03 -0500
To: <jefferis at scholarscorner.com>
Subject: I love your website

I love your website!
We are developing a website and are on the look out for good material on
Charismatic and Pentecostal understandings.
 
Not much is out there except from Derek Prince (who we are convinced is now
enjoying God's presence forevermore).
 
My comments and questions on
Cessation of the Gifts of the Spirit in the Church:
I love the way you and the author of the other material on this site handle
the issues with a bit of wit and humor along with a solid Bible view.  I've
used this "perfect hasn't come" argument several times.  May I add I've
heard that the form of the Greek has the perfect in the masculine form as
would be required to speak of the return of the Lord, where the perfect
manuscript would have to be rendered in the feminine. If you know the Greek
you could check into this further to see if this is true or not to help
confirm your exigesis. (Let me know what you find out, I haven't enough
grasp of the Greek to confirm or deny this, but I'd feel comfortable
refering to your research on this.)
 
I did find one thing that confused me for a time I think you can easily fix.
 
Jefferis said:
In fact, Scripture teaches the gifts have particular purposes, and only of
them is to confirm the apostolic ministry.
 
This is a typo?  Supposed to be "ONE" not "only"? Right?
 
tendentious ground
I didn't get what this meant right away. It's a good word meaning partisan,
but I wonder if most of your readers will get it.
 I've never heard of this word, so I looked it up in the dictionary.
 
 
I'd like to use your articles on our web site and perhaps have your site as
a link.  (I'll need to talk with our people to clear this with our
webmaster, but I think he'll go for it as I'm a Sr. Chaplain-Teacher and he
as a young Sr. Chaplain usually defers to my judgment on matters of teaching
and doctrine.  Not to say he doesnt check what I say against THE BOOK.)  If
we put up Jeffris' article I would want permission to use an easier to
understand word than tendentious.
 
Whover wrote What is the Gift of Tongues? on your site said:
Likewise, counterfeit tongues can appear as people yield themselves to
demons instead of to God, as Paul also points out with ways to discern this
false practice [1 Cor. 12;1-4].
 
And Jeffris wrote:
Paul began his instruction on the gift of tongues with a warning that there
are pagan, demonic tongues, which do not represent the true God or the
genuine article. There are similarities between the real and the false, but
the exercise of the counterfeit by pagans does not invalidate the true gift
of God, administered in believers by the Holy Spirit.

"Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware.
You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols,
however you were led. Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by
the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is
Lord," except by the Holy Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:1-3, NAS95.

Nagy:

For your further consideration, let me share what I shared with a Baptist
minister who has trouble with the Charismatic Renewal in general and tongues
in specific.

Paul wrote the Corinthians about how those speaking by the Spirit of God
would never say "Jesus be cursed."  I ask you to think when a Christian
would think that this would ever be led of the Spirit?  Now look at this
passage's context.  We believe that Paul was answering a question about
tongues.

Now this is where we differ:

This is my conjecture, based on what we see in the Bible and the nature of
tongues as it is described there:
Since tongue speakers didn't know what they were saying they became
concerned that they might be saying foul things in another language.  Some
outsider may have shocked them with the lie that he understood the tongue
and they were saying all manner of blasphemies against their Lord.  So Paul
comes to the rescue, saying, "First of all you must know that no one
speaking by the Spirit of God would ever say 'Jesus be cursed.'"
 
What do you think now in light of my explanation?  For the past 33 years as
a practicing Charismatic I have used this same argument and never been
challenged on it before.  Let's pray not parry over this issue. But it
appears that you like me are always ready to hear another view and learn
from further discussion.  Let's seek the Lord for his answer on this OK?
Get back to me, PLEASE.

I think we are of kindred spirits regarding scholarship in Bible study.  I'd
like to let you see a few things of mine to see if you can use them on your
site.  (Including a tongue in cheek "scholarly discussion" of the Mudites
and anti-mudites who based their sects' teaching on how they experienced
healing from Blindness under the Hand of the Master.  You'll at least get a
chuckle or two out of it whether you wish to post it or not.)

Sincerely or should I say? Saint-cerely in Christ,

(This was a typo that now makes a point. Should we keep sinning with our
"cerelys"?)

Frank Wm Nagy

Sr. Chaplain-Teacher

Good Tree Ministries, Intnl


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