From Mowdamowda at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 05:18:26 2005 From: Mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Sat Jan 1 05:18:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Random Setlist Generator Message-ID: Quite a few years ago Elvis Costello did a tour where he had a random setlist generator on stage with him. A big wheel equally segmented with about 40 songs of originals and covers, and a big arrow attached that he would spin. Whatever the arrow pointed to, he played. Question 1) If Eric took a hugest wheel on stage with him, with every song he had ever recorded AND an even hugester arrow he could spin to randomly generate a progressive setlist, would everyone be happy? Question 2) What songs would he not be allowed to perform if the hugestest arrow pointed to them? Tone --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.823 / Virus Database: 561 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 From emse_97 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 1 09:08:12 2005 From: emse_97 at yahoo.com (Ed Petry) Date: Sat Jan 1 09:08:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: N.S.U. In-Reply-To: <20050101102030.6D0D08CFEA@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050101140812.15992.qmail@web60610.mail.yahoo.com> Hi SD'ers, Happy New Year first off. Hope everyone is well and happy. To the point. I think AG has really found the answer to our typing problems. And on the other side of the coin - after memorizing the code meanings the reading will become almost by memory. After realizing one had to use their hands and fingers to type means this code system can really help those using their hands and fingers! Thanks DN and AG for helping the board in ways we can only guess at. Cheers Ed P,S. Seriously, Thanks DN & AG.... and all of the SD'ers for another great year of EC and his music. Hope 2005 brings more. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Almighty Geetarz" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:02 PM > Subject: [Slowhand] N.S.U. > > > > With the great news of some Cream shows on the > > horizon, > > and with recent discussions on the SD, one can't > help > > but > > think of that tune "N.S.U.". Short, of course, for > > "Non > > Specific Urethritis", or, more specifically "The > > Clap". > > > > And like a bad dose of venereal disease, certain > > topics > > keep recurring here on the SD and it seems these > > issues > > just refuse to go away. > > > > Carpal tunnel syndrome is a real problem as well, > and > > since I am of course concerned for the well being > of > > all > > EC fans, I would like to propose a solution that > will > > make these discussions much easier on everyone, > lessen > > > > the amount of typing, make reading and downloading > > > faster, and just be an improvement in general - we > can > > > > abbreviate! It's just a matter of reducing certain > > > topics to a small code. It would work like this, > we > > would have a table like so: > > > > Code: Description: > > --------------------------------- > > 001 EC Sucks > > 002 EC Rules > > 003 Fender Sucks > > 004 Gibson Sucks > > 005 EC is a Slacker > > 006 EC is not a Slacker > > 007 DeltaNick is Wrong > > 008 DeltaNick is Right > > 009 EC has sucked since (date/period) > > 010 Please unsub me from this list > cause > > I don't want to read the > directions. > > 011 The Setlist Generator is Stuck > > 012 The Setlist Generator is Fine > > 013 Ginger said "Eric Clapton - > Vocals" > > 014 Ginger said "Eric Clapton, please > ... > > Vocals" > > 015 Please unsub me from the list > 'cause > > My brain can't take technical > stuff. > > > > This is of course just a subset but it would make > > conversations much faster to type, to wit: > > > > DN: 009(1971), 011, 003. > > > > 1st Response: 007, 012, 002 > > > > 2nd Response: 008, 009(1974, 1995), 011, 003. > > > > 3rd Response: 015. > > > > This is of course just a sample but I think it > would > > work great once we got used to it - what a way to > ring > > > > in the new year! > > > > Happy New Year all (beating the same old very dead > > > horses) > > > > Cheers, > > AG (tongue firmly in cheek) > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > > > N.S.U. is a carborator company. > > BV > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From llt58 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 11:48:17 2005 From: llt58 at hotmail.com (Loraine Taylor) Date: Sat Jan 1 11:49:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Random Setlist Generator Message-ID: Tone wrote: > >Question 1) If Eric took a hugest wheel on stage with him, with every song >he had ever recorded AND an even hugester arrow he could spin to randomly >generate a progressive setlist, would everyone be happy? This group all be happy all at the same time? You're kidding, right? Silly, what were you thinking? >Question 2) What songs would he not be allowed to perform if the hugestest >arrow pointed to them? Hands down, its "Wonderful Tonight"! Loraine From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sat Jan 1 13:10:19 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sat Jan 1 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC shakeup References: <20041230141111.2326.qmail@web50404.mail.yahoo.com><00b101c4eec1$16324ab0$838b29d8@Kelly> <004801c4ef60$d36cd380$6601a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> Message-ID: <012e01c4f02d$27d19e20$778c29d8@Kelly> You can't be talking to me from what I posted. Kelly -------- "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ Clapton http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "BluesView" To: Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Murphy" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > > >> Your last post was very good. >> >> I think Eric should do want he wants, and not pander >> to anyone. That doesn't mean I don't want a really rockin' >> album (because I really do), but he can't just listen to fans who >> are stuck on Cream, D&D, harder rock, or whatever. It's >> obvious he hasn't been pandering to anyone or doing it for the >> money. If that was so he wouldn't be making a techno/trip-hop/jazz >> album under a pseudonym, and he would have make Disraeli Gears II >> by now. He hasn't which means he is trying to move in the direction he >> wants as an artist at that particular moment. >> >> I do agree he needs a little shake-up in some fashion. It doesn't have >> to be in that he makes an album exactly like I want, but maybe in the >> setlist. >> It wouldn't hurt to switch that up a little which would bring a little > more >> spontaneity for himself not just us. I would love to see him play a >> different >> guitar, but if he's happy with the Strat that's cool as well. >> >> Anyway, regardless if I agree with the posts or not we all should >> have our opinions, and stay respectful to EC...and each other maybe. >> >> Kelly >> >> ------------- >> "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks >> Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" >> ~ >> Clapton >> >> My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hillary Todd" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:11 AM >> Subject: [Slowhand] EC shakeup >> >> >> > Too many people to quote but my response to this >> > thread is that there's nothing wrong with wanting the >> > best from the best but the question of what people >> > need for EC to do to be satisfied is a valid question. >> > Chronically unsatisfied people never have enough >> > because they always want more. Some EC fans are like >> > that. Nothing he does is ever good enough because it >> > could always be better. This is not to say that >> > everything he does should be accepted without >> > criticism. >> > >> > My only expectation as a fan is that EC be true to his >> > artistic self, make music that is important to him, >> > challenge himself if that is what he wants to do or >> > simply make music that is satisfying to him. As long >> > as he does that, I'll be a fan regardless of what the >> > world, the critics or the Grammys think. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >> > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >> > >> > >> >> >> > > It sounds like some of you want the harder rock and as Eric has said many > times in the past... he's done that already. And he's 59 years old and > won't > turn into a schredder. I believe he will come up with new material, as he > has always done. As for harder rock... the Cream reunion will be as close > as > he's going to get. > > BV > > > From rhendriksen63 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 14:11:02 2005 From: rhendriksen63 at hotmail.com (Roel Hendriksen) Date: Sat Jan 1 14:12:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Random Setlist Generator In-Reply-To: <20050101170002.8580C8CF77@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Well, Loraine, maybe we would allow him to play version #892 from 1997, we just should forbid to play version #1 from 1977 and version #371 from 1984. > >Question 2) What songs would he not be allowed to perform if the >hugestest > >arrow pointed to them? > >Hands down, its "Wonderful Tonight"! > >Loraine From scottw at frazmtn.com Sat Jan 1 15:26:37 2005 From: scottw at frazmtn.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Sat Jan 1 15:26:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] NSU Message-ID: <004401c4f040$36a7db40$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> Actually NSU is a an old motorcycle manufacturer. http://motorcycle.com/mo/mcmuseum/nsu.html Scott From scottw at frazmtn.com Sat Jan 1 15:39:58 2005 From: scottw at frazmtn.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Sat Jan 1 15:40:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Set list options Message-ID: <004501c4f042$12de68d0$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> If Wonderful Tonight is so hated...why does EC ALWAYS get a huge roar when the opening riff is played? I am as tired of it as everyone else although I must admit when I play it at our band gigs when we need to do a slow dance song it always gets a great reaction. Plus every set needs a spot for a breather...That said What song would you choose for the "slow dance" portion of an EC show? My pick is: Smile Scott From fred.frome at koeln.de Sun Jan 2 10:59:12 2005 From: fred.frome at koeln.de (Fred Frome Lptp) Date: Sun Jan 2 11:01:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] NSU Message-ID: <003001c4f0e4$454c6220$1530a8c0@FOFROMELaptop> Unfortunately I miss my dictonary at the moment, so I can not really understands AG?s humor! But (trying to be as fast as DN, but on a different matter) -. NSU was a German motorbike and car manufacturer in Neckarsulm, all of them with carburettors but not a manufacturer of carburettors. My 2 cents of engineering! Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050102/8fe7d18a/attachment.html From Slowhandnj at comcast.net Sun Jan 2 12:19:23 2005 From: Slowhandnj at comcast.net (ToeKneeF) Date: Sun Jan 2 12:12:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: NSU Message-ID: <41D82D1B.4050908@comcast.net> Although the info about NSU motorbikes is interesting, in the context of Cream's NSU, it is a well documented reference to Eric's, then recent, bout with the venereal disease..................T -- "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. From bluesview at comcast.net Sun Jan 2 12:52:59 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Sun Jan 2 12:53:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC shakeup References: <20041230141111.2326.qmail@web50404.mail.yahoo.com><00b101c4eec1$16324ab0$838b29d8@Kelly><004801c4ef60$d36cd380$6601a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> <012e01c4f02d$27d19e20$778c29d8@Kelly> Message-ID: <001301c4f0f3$e60f7b70$6601a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Murphy" To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > You can't be talking to me from what I posted. > > Kelly > > -------- > "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks > Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ > Clapton > http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BluesView" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly Murphy" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > > > > > >> Your last post was very good. > >> > >> I think Eric should do want he wants, and not pander > >> to anyone. That doesn't mean I don't want a really rockin' > >> album (because I really do), but he can't just listen to fans who > >> are stuck on Cream, D&D, harder rock, or whatever. It's > >> obvious he hasn't been pandering to anyone or doing it for the > >> money. If that was so he wouldn't be making a techno/trip-hop/jazz > >> album under a pseudonym, and he would have make Disraeli Gears II > >> by now. He hasn't which means he is trying to move in the direction he > >> wants as an artist at that particular moment. > >> > >> I do agree he needs a little shake-up in some fashion. It doesn't have > >> to be in that he makes an album exactly like I want, but maybe in the > >> setlist. > >> It wouldn't hurt to switch that up a little which would bring a little > > more > >> spontaneity for himself not just us. I would love to see him play a > >> different > >> guitar, but if he's happy with the Strat that's cool as well. > >> > >> Anyway, regardless if I agree with the posts or not we all should > >> have our opinions, and stay respectful to EC...and each other maybe. > >> > >> Kelly > >> > >> ------------- > >> "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks > >> Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" > >> ~ > >> Clapton > >> > >> My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Hillary Todd" > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:11 AM > >> Subject: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > >> > >> > >> > Too many people to quote but my response to this > >> > thread is that there's nothing wrong with wanting the > >> > best from the best but the question of what people > >> > need for EC to do to be satisfied is a valid question. > >> > Chronically unsatisfied people never have enough > >> > because they always want more. Some EC fans are like > >> > that. Nothing he does is ever good enough because it > >> > could always be better. This is not to say that > >> > everything he does should be accepted without > >> > criticism. > >> > > >> > My only expectation as a fan is that EC be true to his > >> > artistic self, make music that is important to him, > >> > challenge himself if that is what he wants to do or > >> > simply make music that is satisfying to him. As long > >> > as he does that, I'll be a fan regardless of what the > >> > world, the critics or the Grammys think. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > >> > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > It sounds like some of you want the harder rock and as Eric has said many > > times in the past... he's done that already. And he's 59 years old and > > won't > > turn into a schredder. I believe he will come up with new material, as he > > has always done. As for harder rock... the Cream reunion will be as close > > as > > he's going to get. > > > > BV Hi Kelly. No I wasn't talking about your post. You and I agree! I was posting to everyone in general and no one in particular. :) BV From darmel at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 2 14:14:09 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Sun Jan 2 14:14:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Secret Policemans Ball Message-ID: <20050102191409.74268.qmail@web81705.mail.yahoo.com> Happy New Year, Slowhander Buddies, Not an EC request/question... I am looking for another copy of 3 songs from "Secret Policemans Ball:" PeteT's 'Drowned,' 'PinB Wiz' and 'Won't Get Fooled.' The digital media I have of these songs came from an analogy (vinyl) source - the pops & clicks are quite audible (and annoying). Apparently, this disc is out of print and/or not available at a reasonable price. If anyone has a clean, digital source for these three songs, please contact me off-digest at darmel@sbcglobal.net. Thanks, Mel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050102/fa723432/attachment.html From richardmulhall at eircom.net Sun Jan 2 14:41:13 2005 From: richardmulhall at eircom.net (Richard Mulhall) Date: Sun Jan 2 14:41:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Set List Options Message-ID: <20050102194125.26C0D8C0AE@six.pairlist.net> I quite like Wonderful Tonight. Maybe because I'm 20 and that I haven't heard it 2000 times. It's a great song I think, its hook is its simplicity. It's a song anybody can relate to even if you never had the experience being described in the song. My favourite version is the one with Dire Straits at the Mandela concert in 88. That is a truly wonderful version. Really powerful and emotional. For me, Eric not playing Wonderful Tonight would be like MK not playing Sultans of Swing. From lenmoskowitz at optonline.net Sun Jan 2 15:01:08 2005 From: lenmoskowitz at optonline.net (Len Moskowitz) Date: Sun Jan 2 14:56:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] No Stiletto Shoes (Dec. 18, 2004)? Message-ID: <000501c4f105$ccbebfc0$1c02a8c0@win98> Was the "No Stiletto Shoes" gig on December 18, 2004 recorded? If so, does anyone have a copy they might share? Len Moskowitz From darmel at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 2 15:08:13 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Sun Jan 2 15:08:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] NSU Message-ID: <20050102200813.22286.qmail@web81708.mail.yahoo.com> To my understanding, NUS is not (specifically) gonorrhea (ie. the clap); although, said ailment is, indeed, a great play-on-words in reference to EC. My intention, here, is not "to pick nits' (oh, now there's and unfortunate reference to a crotch-related afflicting), but I do recall an incident some thirty-five years ago when off at college that a "friend of mine" experienced. "He" was diagnosed with "NSU," and so help me God, "he" hadn't been anywhere near a willing lady in a long time (and not for lack of trying, mind you). There I was "grabbing the pipes," as they say, screaming, "Ohmygaud, what's wrong with you 'little buddy!'" Oh man - waaaay too much information! Anyway, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it... Sorry in advance for any content deemed lude, off-topic or scope or, otherwise, inappropriate. HNY, Cheers, Mel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050102/ea0bef3c/attachment.html From eric.lacroix at free.fr Sun Jan 2 16:23:01 2005 From: eric.lacroix at free.fr (Eric Lacroix) Date: Sun Jan 2 16:21:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Wonderful Tonight so hated ? Message-ID: <1104700981.12881.24.camel@blackie> Scott Wallenberg wrote ... > If Wonderful Tonight is so hated...why does EC ALWAYS get a huge roar > when the opening riff is played? > I am as tired of it as everyone else although I must admit when I play > it at our band gigs when we need to do a slow dance song it always > gets a great reaction. For me WT is boring because I listen to at least one EC record almost every day and I get used to skip this song. But for those who listen to EC occasionaly, I can understand that they like it. For slow or sweet songs, I generally prefer to listen to them well sit in my couch, instead of being in a noisy place with a bad accoustic properties and people chating around me. Happy new year to all of you, Eric. From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 16:32:25 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Sun Jan 2 16:32:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: EC Shake-up Message-ID: <20050102213225.88682.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> In his song "Local Hero", Bruce Springsteen includes the lyrics "First they made me the king then they made me pope, Then they brought the rope". This comes to mind every time I see some people on this list post nothing but negative comments. Criticism is fine but it is nice when it is balanced with at least some positive input too. This happens with so many artists. Dylan got booed when he went electric. Ricky Nelson got nuked for not playing his old songs and wrote about it in the song "Garden Party". It happened to Springsteen by doing "Tunnel of Love", "Human Touch" and "Lucky Town". I also think it is unbelievably arrogant for people to say EC "can do so much better". What they really mean is "he could do more of what I like". And before I hear the "lazy" charge one more time, I would refer people to the "Sessions for RJ" DVD in which EC talks about the difficulty of playing the RJ guitar lines and singing something completely different. My opinion is that some people on this list don't appreciate how much EC has actually "shaken things up." Richard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050102/3d105e1b/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 2 17:27:03 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 2 17:27:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Set list options References: <004501c4f042$12de68d0$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <012001c4f11a$30991900$a18d29d8@Kelly> Smile is a good choice. I would choose Pretty Girl if we want something in the vein of Wonderful Tonight. Not really like WT, but slower, I would choose Black Summer Rain. I love that song! Kelly ---------- "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ Clapton http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Wallenberg" To: "Slowhander" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Set list options > If Wonderful Tonight is so hated...why does EC ALWAYS get a huge roar > when the opening riff is played? > I am as tired of it as everyone else although I must admit when I play it > at our band gigs when we need to do a slow dance song it always gets a > great reaction. > > Plus every set needs a spot for a breather...That said > What song would you choose for the "slow dance" portion of an EC show? > My pick is: Smile > > > > Scott > > > > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 2 17:32:33 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 2 17:32:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC shakeup References: <20041230141111.2326.qmail@web50404.mail.yahoo.com><00b101c4eec1$16324ab0$838b29d8@Kelly><004801c4ef60$d36cd380$6601a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us><012e01c4f02d$27d19e20$778c29d8@Kelly> <001301c4f0f3$e60f7b70$6601a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> Message-ID: <002c01c4f11a$f55bbbd0$a18d29d8@Kelly> Glad we agree! :-) It just looked as if you were replying to me. Sorry if my post seemed rude in anyway. Kelly -------- "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ Clapton http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "BluesView" To: Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Murphy" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > > >> You can't be talking to me from what I posted. >> >> Kelly >> >> -------- >> "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks >> Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" >> ~ >> Clapton >> http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "BluesView" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup >> >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Kelly Murphy" >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:44 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup >> > >> > >> >> Your last post was very good. >> >> >> >> I think Eric should do want he wants, and not pander >> >> to anyone. That doesn't mean I don't want a really rockin' >> >> album (because I really do), but he can't just listen to fans who >> >> are stuck on Cream, D&D, harder rock, or whatever. It's >> >> obvious he hasn't been pandering to anyone or doing it for the >> >> money. If that was so he wouldn't be making a techno/trip-hop/jazz >> >> album under a pseudonym, and he would have make Disraeli Gears II >> >> by now. He hasn't which means he is trying to move in the direction >> >> he >> >> wants as an artist at that particular moment. >> >> >> >> I do agree he needs a little shake-up in some fashion. It doesn't >> >> have >> >> to be in that he makes an album exactly like I want, but maybe in the >> >> setlist. >> >> It wouldn't hurt to switch that up a little which would bring a little >> > more >> >> spontaneity for himself not just us. I would love to see him play a >> >> different >> >> guitar, but if he's happy with the Strat that's cool as well. >> >> >> >> Anyway, regardless if I agree with the posts or not we all should >> >> have our opinions, and stay respectful to EC...and each other maybe. >> >> >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> ------------- >> >> "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks >> >> Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning > back" >> >> ~ >> >> Clapton >> >> >> >> My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Hillary Todd" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:11 AM >> >> Subject: [Slowhand] EC shakeup >> >> >> >> >> >> > Too many people to quote but my response to this >> >> > thread is that there's nothing wrong with wanting the >> >> > best from the best but the question of what people >> >> > need for EC to do to be satisfied is a valid question. >> >> > Chronically unsatisfied people never have enough >> >> > because they always want more. Some EC fans are like >> >> > that. Nothing he does is ever good enough because it >> >> > could always be better. This is not to say that >> >> > everything he does should be accepted without >> >> > criticism. >> >> > >> >> > My only expectation as a fan is that EC be true to his >> >> > artistic self, make music that is important to him, >> >> > challenge himself if that is what he wants to do or >> >> > simply make music that is satisfying to him. As long >> >> > as he does that, I'll be a fan regardless of what the >> >> > world, the critics or the Grammys think. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > __________________________________ >> >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> >> > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >> >> > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > It sounds like some of you want the harder rock and as Eric has said > many >> > times in the past... he's done that already. And he's 59 years old and >> > won't >> > turn into a schredder. I believe he will come up with new material, as > he >> > has always done. As for harder rock... the Cream reunion will be as > close >> > as >> > he's going to get. >> > >> > BV > > > Hi Kelly. No I wasn't talking about your post. You and I agree! I was > posting to everyone in general and no one in particular. :) > > BV > > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 2 17:35:34 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 2 17:35:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Set List Options References: <20050102194125.26C0D8C0AE@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <003201c4f11b$613bb350$a18d29d8@Kelly> If Eric didn't play Wonderful Tonight I would be fine with it. I thought I would be fine with it if I never heard it live, but I was wrong...big time! I heard it in Chicago and loved every moment of it. Hearing it live just made it so much sweeter and fresher. So hearing it once was good for me. By the way, I thought I was the youngest here. I guess I was wrong. I'm 21, so you got me beat. :-) Kelly ------------- My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Mulhall" To: Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Set List Options >I quite like Wonderful Tonight. Maybe because I'm 20 and that I haven't > heard it 2000 times. It's a great song I think, its hook is its > simplicity. > It's a song anybody can relate to even if you never had the experience > being > described in the song. > > My favourite version is the one with Dire Straits at the Mandela concert > in > 88. That is a truly wonderful version. Really powerful and emotional. > > For me, Eric not playing Wonderful Tonight would be like MK not playing > Sultans of Swing. > > > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 2 17:44:33 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 2 17:44:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: EC Shake-up References: <20050102213225.88682.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c4f11c$a27966e0$a18d29d8@Kelly> Nice post Richard. I might agree completely, but the quoting of Bruce Springsteen is excellent for this topic. BTW, great song! :-) This is what I agree with the most: "I also think it is unbelievably arrogant for people to say EC "can do so much better." What they really mean is "he could do more of what I like." It is true whether we like it or not. I'm sure there are some fans of EC who prefer his material that some consider lacking over what they think is the absolute best. In there eyes EC "can do much better", translation, "more of what they like" by sticking with Wonderful Tonight-esque songs. Cheers, Kelly ------------ My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Batty To: Slowhand Digest Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: [Slowhand] RE: EC Shake-up In his song "Local Hero", Bruce Springsteen includes the lyrics "First they made me the king then they made me pope, Then they brought the rope". This comes to mind every time I see some people on this list post nothing but negative comments. Criticism is fine but it is nice when it is balanced with at least some positive input too. This happens with so many artists. Dylan got booed when he went electric. Ricky Nelson got nuked for not playing his old songs and wrote about it in the song "Garden Party". It happened to Springsteen by doing "Tunnel of Love", "Human Touch" and "Lucky Town". I also think it is unbelievably arrogant for people to say EC "can do so much better". What they really mean is "he could do more of what I like". And before I hear the "lazy" charge one more time, I would refer people to the "Sessions for RJ" DVD in which EC talks about the difficulty of playing the RJ guitar lines and singing something completely different. My opinion is that some people on this list don't appreciate how much EC has actually "shaken things up." Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050102/2534bab0/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 17:58:50 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sun Jan 2 17:58:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC in Asbury Park ... Message-ID: <20050102225850.75257.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> Published in the Asbury Park Press 01/02/05 By MARK VOGER STAFF WRITER Which brings us to guitarist Eric Clapton's "461 Ocean Boulevard: Deluxe Edition" (Polydor). What a piece of merchandise. Bonus tracks, a bonus live disc, a "frosted" slipcase, foldout packaging and a 20-page booklet with liner notes calling it a "crucial milestone" in a "much-revered catalogue." Too bad the 1974 album is such a sleeping pill. "461 Ocean Boulevard" may have been Clapton's comeback album after a gloomy period of heroin addiction and meandering output, but we'll still take 1973's "Eric Clapton's Rainbow Concert" -- the nadir of his decline -- over "461" any day. Photographs of Clapton on Polydor's spiffy reissue offer a clue as to what listeners are in for. We see photo after photo of a rested, barefoot and bored-looking Clapton lounging amid the sloping palm trees of the title residence. "461 Ocean Boulevard" is an album generally preoccupied with grooves over actual song content. There's a lethargy on this album that makes you want to say, "Hey, Eric, go back on drugs." (That there's a joke, political-correctness police.) The tedious shuffle of "Get Ready," "Steady Rollin' Man" and the insanely dull "Willie and the Hand Jive" disqualify "461" as a crucial milestone. Thanks to incessant airplay, we may never need to hear "I Shot the Sheriff" or "Motherless Children" again. But we'll always love "Let it Grow" and "Mainline Florida." The bonus live disc is the saving grace of the reissue. Clapton underplays brilliantly on "Smile" (yes, the Charlie Chaplin song) and "Let it Grow." There are glorious versions of "Little Wing," "Badge," "Layla" and "Let it Rain." It almost justifies the extra space this thing takes up on your CD shelf. ---------- Honest, y'all - I'm not ghostwriting CD reviews for the APP, even if I did jokingly suggest a few years back that EC simply needed a couple stiff drinks to loosen up and start jamming again. Recalling the response I got from some of the more humor-impaired SD members, I can't help but chuckle with sympathy at the thought of the hate mail this poor reviewer will get in the coming days. Personally I can't argue much with the review except to point out to the reviewer that although it is nice to have the bonus live material in excellent quality, it's perhaps charitable to say EC "underplayed brilliantly", and perhaps more accurate to point out that he was, as usual during that era, more or less drunk. He may have given up smack, but booze was still part of the setlist. Which brings up an interesting idea - each of you pick an independant observer, someone only familiar with what they hear of EC on the radio. Then play for that person the bonus disc from '461', and then perhaps a show from the 2004 tour, not telling them when or where each show was recorded but simply asking for an opinion as to which is a better performance. I expect you'd be hard pressed to find objective observers who would pick the 30 year old performance over the 2004 show. Which leads to an interesting perspective on the folks who bemoan that EC does't play "like he used to ..." Happy New Year! -AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From liabar at tin.it Sun Jan 2 18:23:49 2005 From: liabar at tin.it (liabar@tin.it) Date: Sun Jan 2 18:23:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] CD offer on the mail for Jay Addie and Dave Message-ID: <41536B8D000DA8C6@ims3c.cp.tin.it> This message is directed to Dave Mcaffeee Addie J. and Jay vargas. Tonight I have packed your cds of Harrison Clapton I promised you last month. Sorry for keeping you waiting for so long. I'm just out of a very busy period (luckily). Hope this is going to be a good 2005 musical surprise. If you already own the 2cd- set please forward to other slowhanders because it is truly enjoyable especially for Beatles/clapton fanatics enjoy. Cheers. lia From solron at optonline.net Sun Jan 2 20:15:03 2005 From: solron at optonline.net (Sol Fischler) Date: Sun Jan 2 20:15:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Legal Downloads In-Reply-To: <20050102222718.7B6DC8C729@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Sorry guys, but I've been cheating on you ... In addition to the Digest, I also belong to a Grateful Dead e-mail group, and because of them I found out something I want to pass along -- little or no EC content, but valuable regardless. I wrote in to the Dead list looking for trades, and someone sent me back a site: http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php that offers live shows from hundreds of bands that allow downloading, so all shows are legal. Most of the bands are obscure (to me), but in addition to the almost 2800 Dead shows, I did notice 100 shows by Little Feat. Check it out -- if it works for you, you're welcome. As for me, I spent this New Year's weekend with Jerry & the boys in Port Chester, NY. In 1971. Sweet! -- Sol From rmartin at vikingnet.net Sun Jan 2 22:22:41 2005 From: rmartin at vikingnet.net (Robie Martin) Date: Sun Jan 2 22:24:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Crossroads DVD Message-ID: <20050103032241.M92333@vikingnet.net> After taking my son to the Crossroads Festival this summer, a great Christmas gift to him this year was the DVD. I have missed several months of Slowhand postings and wondered if there was a way to access archives. I want to read comments posted about the Crossroads video by this group. I'm sure when it was released earlier, there were plenty of comments. Could someone point me in the direction of the archives or could you offer your comments to me directly? I'd like to hear from people who were there. Thanks! Robie -- Robie Martin, Library/Media Specialist Parsons Middle School ~ Parsons USD 503 2719 Main ~ Parsons, KS 67357 620-421-4190 ~ (fax) 620-423-8822 rmartin@vikingnet.net ~ (home) robie@wavewls.com ------------- I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book. --Groucho Marx From claptofan at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 23:16:53 2005 From: claptofan at yahoo.com (Claptofan) Date: Sun Jan 2 23:16:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] nsu Message-ID: <20050103041653.95720.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> 12 years of listening to EC; 18 plus shows; i own all the cream discs and box sets; been through 4 years of med school; and am finishing 3 years of residency and it never occurred to me that NSU could have stood for non-specific urethritis (mostly because that is a diagnosis of exclusion - meaning you have to rule out other stuff to be left with the diagnosis of NSU; but also becuase the other type of urethritis are more common). just for the record, though, it is not gonorrhea (the 'clap') or chlamydia, since once you prove it to be either of those two organisms it can no longer be "non-specific" urethritis. It is still an STD, though, so it doesn't get whoever the song was named for completely off the hook. eric epstein __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From susbastille at msn.com Sun Jan 2 23:41:23 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Sun Jan 2 23:42:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] in defense of criticism Message-ID: >>"I see people on this list post nothing but negative comments. Criticism is fine but it is nice when it is balanced with at least some positive input too."<< Apparently, a little criticism must not be fine when it is interpreted as "nothing but negative comments," which, by the way, ARE "balanced with at least some positive input, too." 1226/1115,* 1230a/1117,** 1230b,*** >>"I also think it is unbelievably arrogant for people to say EC "can do so much better."<< No. Arrogance would be stating "I" could do much better. >>"what they really mean is "he could do more of what I like."<< Yes! And thanks for getting this point. We want more of something we like. What a novel idea. Human beings wanting more of what pleases them. Unless wishes, dreams, desires, longings and preferences and expectations are now forbidden or seen as unpatriotic in Slowhand Land; in that case, welcome to the Stepford Slowhand Digest. Wanting more from EC: that certainly must mean that everything else or the status quo must be unappreciated. That's faulty logic, that's false assumption, and that's simply not true. It's not all black and white. Try and see a little more gray. (Think of the feeling that 9 out of 10 of us on this list have for "Wonderful Tonight" not being a selection of preference--and broaden it). How nice the vigorous defense of EC, but really not necessary. No one is bringing the rope. We really are on the same team. susan *DeltaNick: (1226) "....nice to see him really play guitar on the last tour...," "I hope he does something not only expected, but something unexpectedly worthwhile..."no "Wonderful Tonight"...but something much more upbeat and passionate...." (in the studio) "while it's decent music, Clapton is capable of great music." (1115) "Eric Clapton's my favorite artist. That being said, I am not his publicist, nor am I into dispensing propaganda or hype." **Susan: (1230a) "...EC has a long resume of greatness. He will forever be my favorite. I enjoy him so much, I paid out the nose to sit at his feet...." (1117) "I'll gladly take my EC just as he is, but not without occasional criticisms and longings--and that does not diminish my "fanhood." ***Apurva: (1230b) "I don't want another Reptile, I don't know what I want actually, I'll just be happy that Eric is 59 recording and enjoying playing." "I do wish he ripped it up more and got out of his comfort zone...." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What a great way to celebrate his 60th birthday and an unbelievable career. Thanks for the great music, Eric! Ande ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From blues4jr at aol.com Mon Jan 3 07:53:46 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 3 07:53:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] My good friend AG... Message-ID: <62025297.542C3E35.00955D93@aol.com> AG - I consider you a friend and agreee with most you your opinions...except maybe for the following, "Which leads to an interesting perspective on the folks who bemoan that EC does't play "like he used to ..." I agree that overall the 2004 tour was "better" than the circa mid to late 1970's tours. Although if you pick out the best show of the mid to late 70's (and the one included in 461 is not one of the best)and the best '04 tour show, your results from the casual/impartial listener may be different. Also, as you are polling the casual/impartial listener, I would suggest they listen to not only the 2004 and 1974 shows, but D & D Live at the Fillmore and Live Cream Vol. II. My point being - I really loved the 2004 tour and think it's the best EC has been in a very long time. But is EC playing as good as ever? Maybe...maybe not. John Roe From Slowhandnj at comcast.net Mon Jan 3 08:00:24 2005 From: Slowhandnj at comcast.net (ToeKneeF) Date: Mon Jan 3 07:54:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] About Them Shoes Message-ID: <41D941E8.7040808@comcast.net> According to ICE Magazine, January 25 will see the release of Hubert Sumlin's "About Them Shoes". EC guests (guitar and vocals) on "I'm Ready and "Long Distance Call". Seems that the release was held up by the demise of Hubert's old label, Mystic Music. Now, almost five years later, he's found a new label, Tone-Cool/Artemis, to release his record.........Happy New Year!!....................T -- "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. From Slowhandnj at comcast.net Mon Jan 3 08:08:19 2005 From: Slowhandnj at comcast.net (ToeKneeF) Date: Mon Jan 3 08:01:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Secret Policeman's Ball Message-ID: <41D943C3.4010109@comcast.net> Mel, I agree, Pete's performance (with John Williams as well) is indeed fantastic. He was "Unplugged" before the term joined the popular lexicon! Unfortunately, I too have not been able to find a digital source for this music. I have a very clean vinyl source (minimal pops and ticks) and I carefully put it through depopper and came up with a very quiet analog-to-digital transfer. It's better than nothing, and yours for the asking.................T -- "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. From JVlahakis at HINSHAWLAW.COM Mon Jan 3 09:01:12 2005 From: JVlahakis at HINSHAWLAW.COM (James Vlahakis) Date: Mon Jan 3 09:01:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] DN's thread, EC over the years (IMHO) and recent spine tingling moments Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/6f488467/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part --------------

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From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Jan 3 09:33:16 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 3 09:33:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Opinions And Insults Message-ID: <010320051433.2138.41D957AB000EBC2B0000085A2200734840050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> >> I think you should keep your opinion to yourself of EC. Time for you to find a new interest. Your last remark was really insulting. << Here's another: Fat chance! DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/93428939/attachment.html From eric.lacroix at free.fr Mon Jan 3 10:24:22 2005 From: eric.lacroix at free.fr (Eric Lacroix) Date: Mon Jan 3 10:22:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] youngest slowhander Message-ID: <1104765862.4534.12.camel@blackie> Kelly wrote ... > By the way, I thought I was the youngest here. I guess I > was wrong. I'm 21, so you got me beat. :-) Kelly, I thought you were older. By the way, since I have never seen you, it's not an offense, isn't it ? :) Eric. From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 12:20:32 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Mon Jan 3 12:20:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] To Delta Nick Message-ID: <20050103172032.30890.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> DeltaNick wrote: "Okay, in 1956, Mickey Mantle batted .353, hit 52 home runs, and had 130 runs-batted-in. He won the Triple Crown and led BOTH leagues in these 3 batting categories. He was at the prime of his career as a baseball player with the New York Yankees. By 1966, the 33-year old Mantle was pretty much washed up, and his statistics were nowhere near what they were in 1956. Question: Regarding 1966, is it: a. He could do better, -- or -- b. "He could do more of what I like." DeltaNick" First of all, DeltaNick, I thought your last response to me about "not getting it" was just rude and I imagine that is what prompted some of the posts to you to which Dave Hillman objected. I tried to post constructively mentioning the many examples of how I feel EC has shaken things up, especially since he got sober in the late 80s. Whether you or others like them, it is hard if not impossible not to agree that EC has tried many things - a concerto, TDF, Legends, blues covers, RJ covers, unplugged etc. For thos who think he needs to "rock out" more, I would offer "Bad Love", She's Gone" and "One Chance" as well as the revival of "Got to Get Better" from the last tour. In response to your post above, baseball is based on fairly objective statistics. Music is not. In my opinion, and I think for many on this list, I would compare favorably many EC new directions and performances (for the past 17 years especially) against 1966. They certainly give me as much pleasure. If EC is now washed up as you suggest, I would imagine you get rather bored listening to nothing but the Beano album and a bit of Cream. Richard (aka Ripley Rick) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/fc0654e0/attachment.html From darmel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 3 12:29:53 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Mon Jan 3 12:29:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Opinions And Insults Message-ID: <20050103172953.45871.qmail@web81703.mail.yahoo.com> Hi DN, Great post. I would not be one eager to debate you. I do enjoy, however, that you manager to stir things up on occassion. Your retort in this case while entertaining is not really relevent, though, since you are comparing very different forms of excellence. Mantle's performance was measured in statistics - empiracle data. EC's performance has not yet to this date been measured in this way. Ohhhhh, now there's a thought... HNY, Mel >> What they really mean is "he could do more of what I like." << >> >Okay, in 1956, Mickey Mantle batted .353, hit 52 home runs, and had 130 runs-batted-in. >He won the Triple Crown and led BOTH leagues in these 3 batting categories. He was at the >prime of his career as a baseball player with the New York Yankees. > >By 1966, the 33-year old Mantle was pretty much washed up, and his statistics were >nowhere near what they were in 1956. > >Question: Regarding 1966, is it: > > a. He could do better, > > -- or -- > > b. "He could do more of what I like." > > DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/be5fce81/attachment.html From darmel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 3 12:32:45 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Mon Jan 3 12:32:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Opinions And Insults Message-ID: <20050103173245.85810.qmail@web81706.mail.yahoo.com> Hi DN, Great post. I would not be one eager to debate you. I do enjoy, however, that you manager to stir things up on occasion. Your retort in this case while entertaining is not really relevant, though, since you are comparing very different forms of excellence. Mantle's performance was measured in statistics - empirical data. EC's performance has not yet to this date been measured in this way. Ohhhhh, now there's a thought... HNY, Mel >> What they really mean is "he could do more of what I like." << >> >Okay, in 1956, Mickey Mantle batted .353, hit 52 home runs, and had 130 runs-batted-in. >He won the Triple Crown and led BOTH leagues in these 3 batting categories. He was at the >prime of his career as a baseball player with the New York Yankees. > >By 1966, the 33-year old Mantle was pretty much washed up, and his statistics were >nowhere near what they were in 1956. > >Question: Regarding 1966, is it: > > a. He could do better, > > -- or -- > > b. "He could do more of what I like." > > DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not quite the same extent. Beatles / McCartney? No. Criticism? Fine. I don't like some of the drunken 70s performances. I don't play Willie & the Hand Jive. Neither do I rush home to listen to Mother's Lament from Disraeli Gears. I would love to hear Pretty Girl instead of Wonderful Tonight sometimes. We all have our individual preferences obviously. Fine, if someone wants to hear more Beano or more Live Yardbirds or more Cream (guess what? We are getting some, although I predict it will get panned by some members of this list no matter how much many of us like it), that is absolutely fine. I'm not using faulty logic - it just gets tiring to read the MOSTLY negative posts from CERTAIN people. As for my use of the word "arrogant" in relation to EC being capable of "much better", I stand by my point. Can you or anyone else say that EC's Beano or Cream playing is "better" than his ability to play the very complex RJ songs? Some of us on the list just feel EC can never please some people any more. And when we write well thought-out posts giving counter arguments, instead of engaging in polite discussion, we get "Some people will never get it" or "Folks need to grow up". Sincerely, Richard >>"I see people on this list post nothing but negative comments. Criticism is fine but it is nice when it is balanced with at least some positive input too."<< Apparently, a little criticism must not be fine when it is interpreted as "nothing but negative comments," which, by the way, ARE "balanced with at least some positive input, too." 1226/1115,* 1230a/1117,** 1230b,*** >>"I also think it is unbelievably arrogant for people to say EC "can do so much better."<< No. Arrogance would be stating "I" could do much better. >>"what they really mean is "he could do more of what I like."<< Yes! And thanks for getting this point. We want more of something we like. What a novel idea. Human beings wanting more of what pleases them. Unless wishes, dreams, desires, longings and preferences and expectations are now forbidden or seen as unpatriotic in Slowhand Land; in that case, welcome to the Stepford Slowhand Digest. Wanting more from EC: that certainly must mean that everything else or the status quo must be unappreciated. That's faulty logic, that's false assumption, and that's simply not true. It’s not all black and white. Try and see a little more gray. (Think of the feeling that 9 out of 10 of us on this list have for "Wonderful Tonight" not being a selection of preference--and broaden it). How nice the vigorous defense of EC, but really not necessary. No one is bringing the rope. We really are on the same team. susan *DeltaNick: (1226) "....nice to see him really play guitar on the last tour...," "I hope he does something not only expected, but something unexpectedly worthwhile..."no "Wonderful Tonight"...but something much more upbeat and passionate...." (in the studio) "while it’s decent music, Clapton is capable of great music." (1115) "Eric Clapton's my favorite artist. That being said, I am not his publicist, nor am I into dispensing propaganda or hype." **Susan: (1230a) "...EC has a long resume of greatness. He will forever be my favorite. I enjoy him so much, I paid out the nose to sit at his feet...." (1117) "I'll gladly take my EC just as he is, but not without occasional criticisms and longings--and that does not diminish my "fanhood." ***Apurva: (1230b) "I don't want another Reptile, I don't know what I want actually, I'll just be happy that Eric is 59 recording and enjoying playing." "I do wish he ripped it up more and got out of his comfort zone...." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/c297e0d1/attachment.html From hillman at planet-torque.com Mon Jan 3 13:21:41 2005 From: hillman at planet-torque.com (David Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 3 13:21:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: youngest slowhander, list archives Message-ID: Kelly Murphy wrote... > By the way, I thought I was the youngest here. I guess I > was wrong. I'm 21, so you got me beat. :-) At one time, we had a 13 year-old on the list. That was a few years ago, though, and as my mother said about one of my cousins over the weekend, "I don't think he's still that young." Robie Martin wrote... > After taking my son to the Crossroads Festival this summer, a great > Christmas gift to him this year was the DVD. I have missed several > months of Slowhand postings and wondered if there was a way > to access archives. I want to read comments posted about the Crossroads > video by this group. I'm sure when it was released earlier, there were > plenty of comments. In hindsight, I realise that this isn't as obvious as it should be. At the top of every Digest issue, is the following text; To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand Also at that location are the list archives dating back to October 1, 2003 ( the date of the last server switch ). -- David Hillman From nathanlovett at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 13:51:29 2005 From: nathanlovett at yahoo.com (Nathan Lovett) Date: Mon Jan 3 13:51:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] New Year's gig in Woking In-Reply-To: <20050103182144.2FAA28CCEA@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050103185129.66693.qmail@web13425.mail.yahoo.com> Any reports on this yet? If anyone went please let us know who was in the band this year, setlist etc etc. Thanks!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Jan 3 13:58:46 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 3 13:58:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC Shake-Up ... Message-ID: <010320051858.19384.41D995E6000E92A200004BB82200762302050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> I have been exceedingly specific in my praise and criticism of EC over the years. Is not this the forum in which to express oneself regarding these matters? There are some things I think EC does better today, and some things I think he did better in the past. What I meant when I wrote that "some people don't get it," is that after years of explaining myself, the e-mail asking, "I wonder what some of the people on this list need for EC to do to be satisfied," sounds as if some have never read anything I wrote. It's all there in black and white in the Slowhand Digest archives. I ask that you argue my specific points, and try not to cut anyone down because you don't like or agree with what he or she says. There is civil debate, and there are personal attacks. I prefer the former. I don't think anyone wants the latter, although it does appear that some people cannot tell the difference. Although it's obvious that EC has great personal meaning to most if not all of us subscribers, the discussion and debate should not become personally antagonistic. If one lawyer makes a better argument than another in court, does it mean that he "insulted" the other? Let's discuss and debate the points made here in the Slowhand Digest instead of attacking those who submit them. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/53cec47e/attachment.html From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 14:03:08 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Mon Jan 3 14:03:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: DN's thread, EC over the years (IMHO) and recent spine tingling moments Message-ID: <20050103190308.55525.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> James, I agree with you about the spine-tingling solos that EC still produces but not about the laziness! I feel many people make too much of the old quote that EC made about "would rather sit around" - when was that? 30 years ago? He's been quite productive and active since geting sober. I believe artist's reputations are often formed when they first appear and that they can never match up as time goes by for the press and many fans simply because they are not new anymore. At Springsteen's induction of Dylan into the RnR HoF (I believe), Bruce commented on Bob's then current album (Empire Burlesque perhaps?) and said that it would be a classic if people did not compare it to Dylan's early albums. Were the first albums "better" or was Dylan simply a casualty of not being new anymore? I find it hard to think of an artist who gets better reviews after being around for years. I like BB King's comment to EC at the Concert of the Century after they played together - "You get better all the time, young man!" Richard As a member since around 95, I have enjoyed the passion that DN's comments have prompted. I've been lurking for a long time so here's my 2 cents: While I have RIO recordings from all eras, I can't really say which one I love the most. While Cream has some amazingly fast guitar moments/pyrotechnics (whatever you want to call them), his style changed drastically with Derek and the Dominos. There was a different intensity. While EC post 1974 has had it ups and downs, in my mind many of his better moments have been good solos in the context of a jam that the band was in. Turning to the 1990s, I grew to appreciate what I sensed as EC's depression/sadness in his music over the pyrotechnics of the past. Whether it was the vocal delivery of the tone of his guitar, I felt something emotive. As for live shows, I followed him around in the summer of 1992 in Europe, saw him warm up and play at Knebworth, jam with SRV in Detroit and one RAH show in 1993. At least at one point during each show (sometimes more), he would hit a few notes that made it all worth it, you know what I'm talking about, the notes that send a shiver down your spine. More recently, he had a few momemnts like that at this 2004 show in Chicago. Aside from the blues numbers (I believe it was HYELAW), he really kickec some butt on ISTS and GTGBIALW. My jaw almost hit the floor a few times. As for those moments, its really impossible for any artist to hit those notes on every song, every night (or to paint a perfect painting, etc). We are blessed to have had EC survive all of these years after he performed so brillliantly with Mayall and Cream. We all know he could have faded away ala Peter Green, died with a legacy but a big "what could he have done long term" question that I have for Jimi Hendrix. EC is still the artist that he always was but in many ways he may never hit the heights that he did in Cream or the passion that he had with Derek. Yes, age and maturity all have an impact on this. If he played the same way as in Cream or D&D without evolving he would have burned himself out or worse. In closing, "in terms of getting in that zone" where he tears a song apart, I think EC can do today when the moment hits him. Many other artists cannot perform on that level as they age. Other artists simply don't write the great songs that they were famous for. Off the top of my head I can think of so many artists that I think were better song-writers when they were young (and that most public opinion would think that their new stuff is not up to snuff, most of the time). Here's a short list: McCartney, Elton John, Billy Joel, James Taylor, The Who, The Stones, Robbie Robertson, Stevie Winwood, etc. That's totally true among sports stars as well. Jordan is not the Jordon of old. In short, EC still has the fire but he does not show it all the time. At the same time he has become lazy in many respects but who can blame him for that? While I'm not happy that this is the case, who can say that they do everything with 100% perfection/passion 24/7? Compared to the artists above, I think EC has so much more to offer in terms of live music and the occasional studio song that can hit an emotional chord for me and others. James PS, sorry for ramblin' _____________________ James C. Vlahakis Hinshaw & Culbertson, LLP 222 N. LaSalle, Suite 300 Chicago, IL 60601 312-704-3715 312-704-3001 [fax] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/386c064d/attachment.html From bluesview at comcast.net Mon Jan 3 14:14:30 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Mon Jan 3 14:14:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric Mixing It Up (Differently). Message-ID: <002101c4f1c8$757176e0$6601a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> We've discussed E.C. mixing things up on 'his' CDs. How about the overwhelming amount of tracks E.C. has played on backing other people/bands? It's staggering and extensive (and often excellent)! BV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/85fc9cf9/attachment.html From ollio at mbnet.fi Mon Jan 3 16:09:40 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:07:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tom Dowd on EC Message-ID: <000801c4f1d8$8ac1c080$2bebc551@ollionkone> Hi all, As I'm one of those who still love Eric Clapton's music and musicality I'd like add a viewpoint to this conversation. Here's once again a quote from Mojo-Magazine (issue 4) March 1994. Tom Dowd (Atlantic engineer, producer of Cream, Derek & Dominos and number of EC's solo albums) on Clapton: "Eric absolutely scared me in the Cream days. I saw Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie and Fats Navarro; Eric was as fast as any jazz musician, a master of his instrument.... he never played the same solo twice. As he got older I thought he would slow down or fall into pattern - but he didn't. Now he scares me more than ever: a monster, the complete performer. Band leader, player, singer, songwriter - he's mastered every element!" Keep on growin' Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/e0e345d8/attachment.html From bsreid3 at optonline.net Mon Jan 3 16:54:57 2005 From: bsreid3 at optonline.net (Bryan Reid) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:55:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Flaming DeltaNick & other diversions Message-ID: <001201c4f1de$df1007e0$c7af5743@HAL> Whoa, Nellie!!! It's been quite awhile since this list has been this heated. At the end of the day, we all have to respect each other's opinions and dissing each other leads nowhere. People on this list were introduced to EC at different points in his career, and I suspect that has more than a little to do with individual preferences. As one of the older members of the SD, I've had the privilege of seeing Cream (twice), Blind Faith (once) and D&D (once). I can also remember the thrill of getting the Bluesbreakers album when it was released, playing it loud as the cover instructed and being absolutely floored and awed by what I heard. In all four of those bands, EC was surrounded by top-flight musicians who challenged him and, IMHO, brought out the best in him. After his 'heroin vacation', he re-emerged determined to shake the guitar god status those bands brought to him. While I have continued to enjoy EC's work, only occasionally has he ever approached the quality he put forth in those days. Many of the bands he's had since have been made up of very competent musicians but... they have been people who do not challenge him. I've probably attended close to 100 concerts of his since he re-emergence, usually 2-5 per tour and I've got to say that his performances are erratic. I've seen him play one night lackadaisically, start the same way 2 nights later only to slip and let loose some absolutely stunning guitar playing. A couple of days later, same as the first concert. It's his life but once you've shown people what you're capable of, you can expect criticism when you don't measure up, whether in concert or recordings. Ditto for selection of musicians to play with, songs, styles et cetera. Where DeltaNick is coming from is precisely that. If I never hear 'Lay Down Sally', Wonderful Tonight' or about 30 or 40 other songs of his again, it would be just fine with me. To call them pop pablum is too kind. To say that they are an extraordinary waste of his talent is spot on. EC is an incredibly gifted and talented guitarist but he has made some very poor choices along the way. I'm looking forward to the Cream reunion. It be great to hear him playing with people who can, and will, challenge him to play his best. Bryan In heavy rotation: EC - Sessions for Robert J. Freddie King - Live at the Electric Ballroom 1974 Yardbirds - Blueswailing Santana - LA Forum 1971 Jethro Tull - Stand Up Miles Davis - Soundtrack of Jack Johnson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/fd952a27/attachment-0001.html From jbroholm at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 3 17:38:59 2005 From: jbroholm at sbcglobal.net (John Broholm) Date: Mon Jan 3 17:39:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Bryan's comment In-Reply-To: <20050103215528.8EA1B8D0D0@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050103223859.97978.qmail@web81005.mail.yahoo.com> Brian's remark below, to me, is right on the money. Whether EC is or isn't the wild, flaming guitarist he was in the mid/late '60s (and sometimes he was darned repetetive back then, too), he's getting paid premium prices in 21st century currency. If I go see him now, I'm not entirely on a nostalgia trip, nor do I expect him to be anyone other than Eric Clapton. But I do want him to do what he full-well CAN do, which is rock me back on my heels, take me by the hand, lead me down a musical path with a guitar solo, and just when I think I know where he's going, disappear and yell "NO! I'm over HERE!" And I gladly run to catch up. The blues tour of the mid-'90s did that. The Pilgrim tour, not so much. The Reptile tour, a bit more. The Hiroshima, Copenhagen and Belfast shows on CD, more so, especially with the set changes he made after the Japan leg. He can do it. I regret I didn't get the chance to see him, and I'm grateful for the trees on this digest that allow me to listen. The studio CDs since FTC, to my ear, are just plain bland. He doesn't always get there. The initial Robert Johnson release is so-so. The follow-up DVD/CD considerably better. Does this make me somebody who's totally negative, or whatever the phrase was? I think it's the reaction of somebody who's heard an awful lot of EC (concerts since 1969) and who listens to an awful lot of other music, and still finds EC at his best to be THE best. But he's certainly not at his best consistently, and I saw several shows in the '70s and early '80s that didn't entirely stink, but they sure didn't meet standards or expectations. And that's what a musician is supposed to do. Honest audience reaction and criticism are fair. To pile on DN for saying "this isn't up to snuff" misses the point of art-and-audience entirely. Let's get over it. JB (with Lightnin' Hopkins' Aladdin recordings on the player, and Sessions for RJ coming up) --------------------------------------- Bryan wrote: >>>It's his life but once you've shown people what you're capable of, you can expect criticism when you don't measure up, whether in concert or recordings. Ditto for selection of musicians to play with, songs, styles et cetera. Where DeltaNick is coming from is precisely that. If I never hear 'Lay Down Sally', Wonderful Tonight' or about 30 or 40 other songs of his again, it would be just fine with me. To call them pop pablum is too kind. To say that they are an extraordinary waste of his talent is spot on. EC is an incredibly gifted and talented guitarist but he has made some very poor choices along the way.<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/99099c85/attachment.html From hailebrad at msn.com Mon Jan 3 17:41:31 2005 From: hailebrad at msn.com (Gordon Shinn) Date: Mon Jan 3 17:42:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: DN Opinions And Insults Message-ID: >>>Here's another: Fat chance! DeltaNick<<<< Here's one: Go back to sleep! Brad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/17bd7440/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 20:23:42 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Mon Jan 3 20:23:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Set those recorders ... Message-ID: <20050104012342.95027.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> Chat's the way to mark anniversary BRIAN FERGUSON ARCHIVED interviews with music legends including Madonna, John Lennon and Eric Clapton will be dusted off to help celebrate Radio Forth’s 30th anniversary. Bosses at the city-based broadcaster are planning to raid their vaults and showcase exclusive chats with some of the biggest names in show business. Rod Stewart, Ozzy Osbourne, Sir Mick Jagger, Joan Collins and Liza Minnelli are some of the stars to have appeared on Radio Forth since it began broadcasting in January 1975. Station chiefs today unveiled plans to open the archives for the first time since the interviews were originally broadcast. Among the station’s other memorable guests are Billy Connolly, Sir Cliff Richard, Jon Bon Jovi, Kylie Minogue and Sir Paul McCartney. Forth - which covers the whole of east-central Scotland - says it has been working for months to produce special features, programmes and promotions for the weeks leading up to the actual anniversary on January 22. As well as the interviews, the station is to re-live the way it covered major news and sporting events over the last 30 years. Former presenters such as Jay Crawford, Bill Barclay, Tom Steele and Alison Craig will be returning to the airwaves for guest appearances. Steve Hamilton, the station’s first on-air presenter, and Richard Findlay, the original programme controller, whose voice was the first to be heard on Forth, will also make comebacks. Mr Findlay went on to head up Forth’s parent company Scottish Radio Holdings. Adam Findlay, managing director of Radio Forth, said: "There is no doubt at all that it is a major achievement for Radio Forth to hit this milestone. "Forth was one of the first commercial radio stations to be launched in the UK and there are very few that are still going strong. "We want to revisit a lot of the interviews Forth has carried out with celebrities over the years, as well as getting some of our best-known characters and personalities back on air. "It’s been great fun going back over the last 30 years and it’s been a great project for everyone to get their teeth into." The station has been divided between the FM and AM frequencies - now known as Forth2 and Forth One - since 1990. It will also offer listeners the chance to play their own part in the celebrations by sharing their special memories of Forth on air. Major cash giveaways are also planned. Bosses at the station - which has been based in Forth Street since its launch - are also planning to throw a major party for its 90-strong workforce. Forth was launched with just £300,000 being spent to put the station together, including its newsreaders, DJs, administration staff and technicians. A spokeswoman for Forth added: "While our researchers are piecing together the interviews and archives the one important piece of the Forth’s history which is still missing is the memories of people living in Edinburgh and the Lothians. "We’re appealing for people to come forward with their memories of Forth from the past 30 years which will become a special part of the celebration programmes." • Anyone willing to share their memories of Radio Forth on air should contact the research team by e-mailing memories@radioforth.com including full contact details. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 3 20:34:37 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 3 20:35:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] youngest slowhander References: <1104765862.4534.12.camel@blackie> Message-ID: <020701c4f1fd$b2c150d0$1c8c29d8@Kelly> LOL. No offense taken. People usually think I'm older if they don't know my age for some reason. Kelly ------------ "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ Clapton http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Lacroix" To: Cc: "Kelly Murphy" Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: [Slowhand] youngest slowhander > Kelly wrote ... >> By the way, I thought I was the youngest here. I guess I >> was wrong. I'm 21, so you got me beat. :-) > > Kelly, I thought you were older. By the way, since I have never seen > you, it's not an offense, isn't it ? :) > > Eric. > > > > From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 21:22:59 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Mon Jan 3 21:23:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: My Good Friend Message-ID: <20050104022259.79416.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> *snip* I agree that overall the 2004 tour was "better" than the circa mid to late 1970's tours. Although if you pick out the best show of the mid to late 70's (and the one included in 461 is not one of the best)and the best '04 tour show, your results from the casual/impartial listener may be different. Also, as you are polling the casual/impartial listener, I would suggest they listen to not only the 2004 and 1974 shows, but D & D Live at the Fillmore and Live Cream Vol. II. My point being - I really loved the 2004 tour and think it's the best EC has been in a very long time. But is EC playing as good as ever? Maybe...maybe not. ----------- It would be interesting to do that sort of thing at least semi-scientifically. For example, the "Cream" era is widely touted as EC's "best" period. And for me, yes, D&D "Live at the Fillmore" (not the icky hacked official release but the wonderful Antrabata release) is a personal favorite, listening to the interplay not of EC and various hired gun musicians, but in fact a real BAND interacting with each other, listening, responding, reaching new heights. It's one of the reasons EC's concerts as part of the "Legends" in 1997 is some of my favorite work as well, because IMO it's a high point precisely because it's one of the only times EC has been surrounded by true equals (if anything, to the jazz community EC was the odd man out in that group) since the breakup of D&D. With that said ... could the 22 year old EC in Cream, have played with not only the fire, but the finesse, of the 59 year old EC in 2004? I've heard plenty of stuff in the past 20 years that I don't think the younger EC was capable of ... and no, I'm not talking about "Blue Eyes Blue" (yeeeeech!). Now can we please get all this silly girly-chat opinion crap out of the way and get back to talking about really exciting stuff like the folks who send out CDs with gaps? (insert big evil cheshire grin here). I promise not to bring it up if y'all promise to play nice ... AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 3 23:47:51 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 3 23:48:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: youngest slowhander, list archives References: Message-ID: <00fd01c4f218$8cfa3040$b98b29d8@Kelly> Interesting. I think it's cool that a 13 year old posted here before. I guess he stopped? Kelly ----------- "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ Clapton http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hillman" To: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: [Slowhand] re: youngest slowhander, list archives > Kelly Murphy wrote... >> By the way, I thought I was the youngest here. I guess I >> was wrong. I'm 21, so you got me beat. :-) > > At one time, we had a 13 year-old on the list. That was a few years > ago, though, and as my mother said about one of my cousins over the > weekend, "I don't think he's still that young." > > Robie Martin wrote... >> After taking my son to the Crossroads Festival this summer, a great >> Christmas gift to him this year was the DVD. I have missed several >> months of Slowhand postings and wondered if there was a way >> to access archives. I want to read comments posted about the Crossroads >> video by this group. I'm sure when it was released earlier, there were >> plenty of comments. > > In hindsight, I realise that this isn't as obvious as it should be. At > the top of every Digest issue, is the following text; > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > > Also at that location are the list archives dating back to October 1, > 2003 ( the date of the last server switch ). > > -- > David Hillman > > From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Tue Jan 4 00:42:42 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Tue Jan 4 00:43:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Then, Then, and Now Message-ID: In the latest issue of Where's Eric, Andy Zwick contends that the 2004 EC band was the best ever. Best players, best song selection, EC on fire, the best of everything. I'd love to agree, but I can't. Too much autopilot, too much show band. Doyle is probably the best 2nd guitar since Mark Knopfler. Billy Preston is a blessing and a curse. He makes more coasting possible. If Delta Nick gets nostalgic for the Gibson days, I get nostalgic for 1989-97 when there was a lot of ambition in EC's work. Journeyman. 24 Nights. Unplugged. From The Cradle. Hyde Park. Legends and Retail Therapy. Don't get me wrong. I "enjoyed" the 2004 tour. It was entertaining. My favorite part was the Robert Johnson segment. Ten years ago it would have been the Robert Johnson show, and that would have been interesting. Best, Ken From roante04 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 4 01:38:35 2005 From: roante04 at yahoo.co.uk (a linden) Date: Tue Jan 4 01:38:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] washed up or the complete performer Message-ID: <20050104063835.17448.qmail@web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, It seems from some posts, that people who have followed EC longest, mostly dislike his music nowadays and regard him as washed up. That's just a couple of individual opinions and all's fine. Well, I think that's not true and that's just my opinion. I've followed EC career as long as anybody on this Digest and I think Clapton is nowadays a much better musician and singer he used to be at the start of the career. I'm sure he thinks the same way himself. The problem is of course how diffrently we here music. For some the guitarplaying is the only thing that matters. Well, there's always Stevie Ray Vaughan bootlegs guitar freaks. EC said already about over 30 years ago: The best guitarist in the world - there's one in every crowd. I think Clapton has made brilliant career moves and has been usually years ahead of his conservative fans. He's lost millions of fans getting rid of the naive guitar-god crown, but he's reached millions of hearts with his wonderful, passionate music, singing and playing. And that's what matters in music, reaching and moving people not the virtuoso-tricks. That's my opinion anyway. I don't like listening Wonderful Tonight anymore, but neither I can listen to the 100th bootleg guitarsolos on NSU. All the best Ande (who doesn't get it ;*) ) ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From mkelly-kmc at kaman.com Tue Jan 4 08:55:08 2005 From: mkelly-kmc at kaman.com (Kelly, Martin) Date: Tue Jan 4 08:55:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Bryan's comment Message-ID: <0BD4C519F073D211AF0D0000F8084D42081A1F0F@ESKMC1> Friends, The thing that I want most from Eric is change, and he provides that. -----Original Message----- From: John Broholm [mailto:jbroholm@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:39 PM To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Bryan's comment Brian's remark below, to me, is right on the money. Whether EC is or isn't the wild, flaming guitarist he was in the mid/late '60s (and sometimes he was darned repetetive back then, too), he's getting paid premium prices in 21st century currency. If I go see him now, I'm not entirely on a nostalgia trip, nor do I expect him to be anyone other than Eric Clapton. But I do want him to do what he full-well CAN do, which is rock me back on my heels, take me by the hand, lead me down a musical path with a guitar solo, and just when I think I know where he's going, disappear and yell "NO! I'm over HERE!" And I gladly run to catch up. The blues tour of the mid-'90s did that. The Pilgrim tour, not so much. The Reptile tour, a bit more. The Hiroshima, Copenhagen and Belfast shows on CD, more so, especially with the set changes he made after the Japan leg. He can do it. I regret I didn't get the chance to see him, and I'm grateful for the trees on this digest that allow me to liste n. The studio CDs since FTC, to my ear, are just plain bland. He doesn't always get there. The initial Robert Johnson release is so-so. The follow-up DVD/CD considerably better. Does this make me somebody who's totally negative, or whatever the phrase was? I think it's the reaction of somebody who's heard an awful lot of EC (concerts since 1969) and who listens to an awful lot of other music, and still finds EC at his best to be THE best. But he's certainly not at his best consistently, and I saw several shows in the '70s and early '80s that didn't entirely stink, but they sure didn't meet standards or expectations. And that's what a musician is supposed to do. Honest audience reaction and criticism are fair. To pile on DN for saying "this isn't up to snuff" misses the point of art-and-audience entirely. Let's get over it. JB (with Lightnin' Hopkins' Aladdin recordings on the player, and Sessions for RJ coming up) --------------------------------------- Bryan wrote: >>>It's his life but once you've shown people what you're capable of, you can expect criticism when you don't measure up, whether in concert or recordings. Ditto for selection of musicians to play with, songs, styles et cetera. Where DeltaNick is coming from is precisely that. If I never hear 'Lay Down Sally', Wonderful Tonight' or about 30 or 40 other songs of his again, it would be just fine with me. To call them pop pablum is too kind. To say that they are an extraordinary waste of his talent is spot on. EC is an incredibly gifted and talented guitarist but he has made some very poor choices along the way.<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050104/e12e9eb6/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Tue Jan 4 09:33:40 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Tue Jan 4 09:33:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 9 Message-ID: <010420051433.15723.41DAA9440008A3AB00003D6B2205884484050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> Another one who understands! Several folks have written privately in support of Ol' Debatin' DeltaNick. There are healthy, civil debates, and there are personal attacks. However, some folks cannot see the difference: they just don't get THIS either. Anyway, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. I truly enjoy EC's music, and I mean TODAY's music. But I simply cannot listen much to his '70s stuff (I have 'em all and a bunch of bootlegs). But when it comes to guitar playing, I still think few have been able to approach what EC did with Mayall, Cream, and Blind Faith. He was SUCH a uniquely gifted guitarist back then. He still plays well, but he's a completely rewired (drugs and alcohol effects?) guitarist. He simply doesn't (cannot?) do what he did back then. Case in point: what a friend calls a "stretch vibrato": applying vibrato to an already-bent string. He did that ALL the time with Mayall, Cream, Blind Faith, even D&D, but he no longer does it, unfortunately. It was a beautiful and wondrous signature thing and played a great part in his solos back then. He used it sparingly, but very few could do it, and nobody as well as EC. There are other things too, but time does not permit my enumeration here (we moved last week [3 miles], I'm at work, Comcast has to completely RE-install my service to the new home because what is there is not well-grounded: they tell me they will do this on 12 January). BTW, the new home is wonderful, on a cul-de-sac, and it has 3 fireplaces. Our previous home is now under contract (closing later on in the month), and it looks like we got the price we wanted, PLUS, we get to keep the hot tub (only $800 to move it, plus a good $500+ to run the 220 volt electricity), but we moved ourselves and saved $6-9K (range of estimates we received). Best of all, the cats LOVE the new home. I don't remember if I sent you the address: Nicholas Aleshin 3218 Green Forest Court Ellicott City, MD 21042-2232 (410) 750-7365 (same telephone: Verizon promises that they'll switch from old home to new home NLT 1000 tomorrow) Obviously, am keeping same e-mail address. > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:54:57 -0500 > From: Bryan Reid > Subject: [Slowhand] Flaming DeltaNick & other diversions > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: <001201c4f1de$df1007e0$c7af5743@HAL> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Whoa, Nellie!!! > > It's been quite awhile since this list has been this heated. At the end of the > day, we all have to respect each other's opinions and dissing each other leads > nowhere. > > People on this list were introduced to EC at different points in his career, and > I suspect that has more than a little to do with individual preferences. > > As one of the older members of the SD, I've had the privilege of seeing Cream > (twice), Blind Faith (once) and D&D (once). I can also remember the thrill of > getting the Bluesbreakers album when it was released, playing it loud as the > cover instructed and being absolutely floored and awed by what I heard. In all > four of those bands, EC was surrounded by top-flight musicians who challenged > him and, IMHO, brought out the best in him. After his 'heroin vacation', he > re-emerged determined to shake the guitar god status those bands brought to him. > While I have continued to enjoy EC's work, only occasionally has he ever > approached the quality he put forth in those days. Many of the bands he's had > since have been made up of very competent musicians but... they have been people > who do not challenge him. I've probably attended close to 100 concerts of his > since he re-emergence, usually 2-5 per tour and I've got to say that his > performances are erratic. I've seen him play one night lacka > daisically, start the same way 2 nights later only to slip and let loose some > absolutely stunning guitar playing. A couple of days later, same as the first > concert. > > It's his life but once you've shown people what you're capable of, you can > expect criticism when you don't measure up, whether in concert or recordings. > Ditto for selection of musicians to play with, songs, styles et cetera. Where > DeltaNick is coming from is precisely that. If I never hear 'Lay Down Sally', > Wonderful Tonight' or about 30 or 40 other songs of his again, it would be just > fine with me. To call them pop pablum is too kind. To say that they are an > extraordinary waste of his talent is spot on. EC is an incredibly gifted and > talented guitarist but he has made some very poor choices along the way. > > I'm looking forward to the Cream reunion. It be great to hear him playing with > people who can, and will, challenge him to play his best. > > Bryan > > In heavy rotation: > > EC - Sessions for Robert J. > Freddie King - Live at the Electric Ballroom 1974 > Yardbirds - Blueswailing > Santana - LA Forum 1971 > Jethro Tull - Stand Up > Miles Davis - Soundtrack of Jack Johnson > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050103/fd952a27/attachm > ent.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > > > End of Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 9 > ************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050104/c25f11b9/attachment.html From scott.graves at amsjv.com Tue Jan 4 09:41:33 2005 From: scott.graves at amsjv.com (Graves, Scott) Date: Tue Jan 4 09:34:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny Message-ID: <22CE8E75BE6AD3119A9800508B0FF7E90477A20C@nmex02.nm.dsx.bae.co.uk> I apologise if I'm interupting the whole Deltanick/opinions argument thread. I only got around to watching my tape of the New Year broadcast by Jools Holland here in the UK. I've not seen any comments about it on the digest yet so I thought I'd throw my opinions into the pot. A good show in general I thought. Jools' shows rarely please everyone because of the eclectic mix of artists he features but this was as good as any. It took quite a bit of time before EC took the stage and he performed "Little Queen of Spades" & "Stop Breaking down" with Jools & his house band. I thought the songs suffered from the band's lack of familiarity with the songs and overall the numbers didn't have the punch of a great performance. Eric was on good form though - amazing guitar work I thought, although I thought his vocals were a little bit too laid back and "fluffy". The standout thing for me that I'm suprised nobody else has picked up on yet was that he appeared to be playing Brownie! Anyone know if this is true? He was playing a sunburst (two tone?) strat with lots of wear, especially on the fingerboard. I'm not denying the fact that it could have been a custom shop, aged guitar but it looked like Brownie to me. I'd love to hear what other people thought of the show, Eric's performance and if anyone else agrees with me on the guitar front. Happy new year to you all, Scott Graves ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** From deltanick at comcast.net Tue Jan 4 10:00:27 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Tue Jan 4 10:00:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 10 Message-ID: <010420051500.12574.41DAAF8B00072AD70000311E2200751150050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> >> It seems from some posts, that people who have followed EC longest, mostly dislike his music nowadays and regard him as washed up. << 1. I do NOT dislike EC's music nowadays. I enjoy it quite a bit. However, I like his guitar playing in the '60s better, although today's vocals are much better, IMO. I also think that EC was "hungry" back then, and today he's lots more satisfied, on a personal level. I think this affects the intensity of his expression. Hence the widely-held opinion that he just coasts along on auto-pilot. 2. I do not believe that EC is "washed up," although I used the example of Mickey Mantle being washed up to illustrate contrast, a difference of night and day. There is great and stark difference in EC's guitar playing today compared with that of the '60s. But he's got lots more artistic life left. I would sure like to see more of it. 3. EC certainly no longer does some of the the guitar things he used to do back in the '60s. A case in point is what my friend Jeff calls a "stretch vibrato," meaning the application of vibrato to an already bent string. Today he bends strings, and today he applies vibrato, but rarely does he do both at the same time, and not nearly with the sirens-sweetly-singing quality of the earlier EC. This was a signature part of his '60s playing that was both wondrous and beautiful. It was an ingredient of some of his most memorable solos. Very few did it, and nobody as well as EC. He does not do this any more. There are other guitar things he doesn't do any more either. 4. I think Bryan Reid and John Broholm hit the nail squarely on the head. I sense few if any differences with what they have written. 5. Some folks are attempting to determine MY opinions on other, unmentioned facets of EC's music. Unfortunately, these people are simply wrong. Anyway, the subject here should be EC's music, and not my opinions. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050104/6edbeab4/attachment-0001.html From blues4jr at aol.com Tue Jan 4 10:04:35 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 4 10:04:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Phases - new and old, and in-between Message-ID: <01991E51.4D588B9E.00955D93@aol.com> I prefer older Who and Stones to the newer. I prefer the later Beatles stuff to the early stuff. I prefer earlier Hendrix to the later Band of Gypsy material. I prefer Blackmore's Rainbow to the earlier Deep Purple or later Blackmore's Night. Point being, EC fans like different phases of his career. Just as with any other musician. AG - I agree that there is some guitar work that EC plays "today" that he wouldn't have been able to pull off when he was 20 years old. Old Love comes to mind. EC has become a perfectionist. During D & D, Cream and before EC has said that during a solo he had no idea where it was going - improvisation. "Today" EC solos are well planned out in advance. If there is improv, it is very short and within the basic structure of his plan for that solo. I believe that is the basic difference between his playing today and 30+ years ago. I love the quality of EC's playing today, but I long for the risky "don't know where it's going" solo. When you are younger, you take risks. I am not sure if todays EC would ever "not be in control" of the direction of a solo. John Roe From shelterd98 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 10:44:32 2005 From: shelterd98 at yahoo.com (greg delaney) Date: Tue Jan 4 10:44:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Need Slowhanders help locating " The Byrds " DVD's Message-ID: <20050104154432.42717.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings to all slowhanders: I am trying to locate a few of the Byrds concerts/t.v apperances that have been put onto DVD. far as I know there are 3 of them. I am not talking about the commercially released performances I was wondering if any of you Slowhanders would have a copy of the DVD's in your collections............ I have had no success in the usual searches in google/yahoo etc. I can be e.mailed at Shelterd98@Yahoo.com. any help would be appreciated. Thanks from a fellow Slowhander GREG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From nathanlovett at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 10:45:06 2005 From: nathanlovett at yahoo.com (Nathan Lovett) Date: Tue Jan 4 10:45:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny In-Reply-To: <20050104150032.98FDE8CA53@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050104154506.30440.qmail@web13423.mail.yahoo.com> >he appeared to be playing Brownie! Anyone know if >this is true? My guess is its very unlikely to be Brownie unless he managed to get it back from whoever bought it during the 1999 guitar auction for the Crossroads centre. EC also used the same worn sunburst strat when he guested with Gary Brooker's 'No Stilletto Shoes' on the 18th December in Chiddingfold (a couple of days after the Jools Holland show was taped). I was at that gig - and it made an interesting change from the guitar sound he's had for the last few years.....actually sounded similar to his 70's work. I got a pretty good look at the guitar....no idea whether it was a custom shop relic'd guitar or a genuine vintage one....expect EC goes for the real thing though!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From richardmulhall at eircom.net Tue Jan 4 11:08:10 2005 From: richardmulhall at eircom.net (Richard Mulhall) Date: Tue Jan 4 11:08:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Ex on Jools Message-ID: <20050104160819.995A78CCE5@six.pairlist.net> Yah I seen this show too. I take a different point of view from you. Vocals sounded okay to me but the guitar work was dreadful, totally dreadful. The sound was set up right at all. Could it be brownie? Dunno. I thought he sold it. It was a 3 tone sunburst strat I thought but maybe my mind is fading a bit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050104/dfb3c40a/attachment.html From roante04 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 4 11:50:14 2005 From: roante04 at yahoo.co.uk (a linden) Date: Tue Jan 4 11:50:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] I think I get IT now :*) Message-ID: <20050104165014.79075.qmail@web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, HAA! Now it's beginning to dawn on me: This vigorous ;*) debate is about Clapton's guitarplaying. I think DeltaNick is absolutely right about EC's greatness during the 60's and the fine vibrato on bended notes and all. Of course that was a wonderful style of playing, but I think EC got tired of that already during the last tour of Cream 1968. He changed his style already in Blind Faith and the drugs were starting to show their effect. That particular vibrato hasn't been absent totally, EC uses it every now and then and it sounds always so lovely, but of course you hear it really quite seldom. I think Eric got fed up with all the guitarhero copycats and wanted to approach the guitar from a more down to earth way. He nowadays plays in a much more rawer style, maybe closer to the roots-blues than in his guitarheroic days. I'm sure the drugs and alcohol had a bad effect on Clapton, but he has recovered beautifully compared to many of his rivals, who have sadly stayed in their youth and haven't got the courage to move on. DN, I love your comments and usually the debate and you're a great part of this digest, but I'm sure you understand, that the way you see EC's career isn't the only right way. Many of us here love Wonderful Tonight and Lay Down Sally and they are a great part of EC's personality. He has that soft spot, that can be so so annoying sometimes, but then nobody's perfect. All the best Ande ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From susbastille at msn.com Tue Jan 4 12:59:40 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Tue Jan 4 13:00:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] criticisms and communicating in cyberspace Message-ID: Hi, Richard, Thanks for expounding a little more on your position. I do see more clearly what you're saying. Which makes me think some of the problem with this whole apparently beaten and dead horse argument stems from the nature of the medium itself. A cyber-forum doesn't lend itself to a complete and instantaneous understanding of points and counterpoints when hours and miles separate the two. Sweeping statements or "sound 'bytes'" made by me, you, DN or whoever, can easily be misunderstood when not followed by lengthy elaboration and clarification (as AG intimated, we would all have carpel tunnel). Clear intent can be hard to gather, especially in the absence of that all-important component in communication--tone. Misunderstandings will abound, and offense will easily be taken where, perhaps, none was intended. If I have read YOU wrong, I do apologize. But I still take issue with others seeming snap judgments that smack of intolerance and imply that one is not really a fan or is a lesser fan or is a bad fan just because said fan wants something other than is being offered from EC (i.e. more rock, less pop, ad infinitum) or because said fan states that Clapton is capable of better; (to wit, from the Terry Lawson review, "the disappointingly anemic...sterile "Me and Mr. Johnson" versus the "this is more like it...Clapton relighting the fire in his belly--and fingers," "Sessions for Robert J." "Sessions...." is a great example. Whatever the intent behind the release, Clapton gave us better. 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Re: EC shakeup (Kelly Murphy) > 2. Re: Re: Set List Options (Kelly Murphy) > 3. Re: RE: EC Shake-up (Kelly Murphy) > 4. EC in Asbury Park ... (Almighty Geetarz) > 5. CD offer on the mail for Jay Addie and Dave (liabar@tin.it) > 6. Legal Downloads (Sol Fischler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:32:33 -0600 > From: "Kelly Murphy" > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > To: > Message-ID: <002c01c4f11a$f55bbbd0$a18d29d8@Kelly> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Glad we agree! :-) It just looked as if you were replying to me. > Sorry if my post seemed rude in anyway. > > Kelly > > -------- > "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks > Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ > Clapton > http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BluesView" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly Murphy" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > > > > > >> You can't be talking to me from what I posted. > >> > >> Kelly > >> > >> -------- > >> "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks > >> Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" > >> ~ > >> Clapton > >> http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "BluesView" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:47 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > >> > >> > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Kelly Murphy" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:44 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > >> > > >> > > >> >> Your last post was very good. > >> >> > >> >> I think Eric should do want he wants, and not pander > >> >> to anyone. That doesn't mean I don't want a really rockin' > >> >> album (because I really do), but he can't just listen to fans who > >> >> are stuck on Cream, D&D, harder rock, or whatever. It's > >> >> obvious he hasn't been pandering to anyone or doing it for the > >> >> money. If that was so he wouldn't be making a techno/trip-hop/jazz > >> >> album under a pseudonym, and he would have make Disraeli Gears II > >> >> by now. He hasn't which means he is trying to move in the direction > >> >> he > >> >> wants as an artist at that particular moment. > >> >> > >> >> I do agree he needs a little shake-up in some fashion. It doesn't > >> >> have > >> >> to be in that he makes an album exactly like I want, but maybe in the > >> >> setlist. > >> >> It wouldn't hurt to switch that up a little which would bring a little > >> > more > >> >> spontaneity for himself not just us. I would love to see him play a > >> >> different > >> >> guitar, but if he's happy with the Strat that's cool as well. > >> >> > >> >> Anyway, regardless if I agree with the posts or not we all should > >> >> have our opinions, and stay respectful to EC...and each other maybe. > >> >> > >> >> Kelly > >> >> > >> >> ------------- > >> >> "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks > >> >> Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning > > back" > >> >> ~ > >> >> Clapton > >> >> > >> >> My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Hillary Todd" > >> >> To: > >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:11 AM > >> >> Subject: [Slowhand] EC shakeup > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Too many people to quote but my response to this > >> >> > thread is that there's nothing wrong with wanting the > >> >> > best from the best but the question of what people > >> >> > need for EC to do to be satisfied is a valid question. > >> >> > Chronically unsatisfied people never have enough > >> >> > because they always want more. Some EC fans are like > >> >> > that. Nothing he does is ever good enough because it > >> >> > could always be better. This is not to say that > >> >> > everything he does should be accepted without > >> >> > criticism. > >> >> > > >> >> > My only expectation as a fan is that EC be true to his > >> >> > artistic self, make music that is important to him, > >> >> > challenge himself if that is what he wants to do or > >> >> > simply make music that is satisfying to him. As long > >> >> > as he does that, I'll be a fan regardless of what the > >> >> > world, the critics or the Grammys think. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > __________________________________ > >> >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> >> > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > >> >> > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > It sounds like some of you want the harder rock and as Eric has said > > many > >> > times in the past... he's done that already. And he's 59 years old and > >> > won't > >> > turn into a schredder. I believe he will come up with new material, as > > he > >> > has always done. As for harder rock... the Cream reunion will be as > > close > >> > as > >> > he's going to get. > >> > > >> > BV > > > > > > Hi Kelly. No I wasn't talking about your post. You and I agree! I was > > posting to everyone in general and no one in particular. :) > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:35:34 -0600 > From: "Kelly Murphy" > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] Re: Set List Options > To: "Richard Mulhall" , > > Message-ID: <003201c4f11b$613bb350$a18d29d8@Kelly> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > If Eric didn't play Wonderful Tonight I would be fine with > it. I thought I would be fine with it if I never heard it live, > but I was wrong...big time! I heard it in Chicago and > loved every moment of it. Hearing it live just made it so > much sweeter and fresher. So hearing it once was good > for me. > > By the way, I thought I was the youngest here. I guess I > was wrong. I'm 21, so you got me beat. :-) > > Kelly > > ------------- > My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Mulhall" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:41 PM > Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Set List Options > > > >I quite like Wonderful Tonight. Maybe because I'm 20 and that I haven't > > heard it 2000 times. It's a great song I think, its hook is its > > simplicity. > > It's a song anybody can relate to even if you never had the experience > > being > > described in the song. > > > > My favourite version is the one with Dire Straits at the Mandela concert > > in > > 88. That is a truly wonderful version. Really powerful and emotional. > > > > For me, Eric not playing Wonderful Tonight would be like MK not playing > > Sultans of Swing. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:44:33 -0600 > From: "Kelly Murphy" > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] RE: EC Shake-up > To: > Message-ID: <003e01c4f11c$a27966e0$a18d29d8@Kelly> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nice post Richard. I might agree completely, but the quoting of > Bruce Springsteen is excellent for this topic. BTW, great song! :-) > > This is what I agree with the most: > > "I also think it is unbelievably arrogant for people to say EC > "can do so much better." What they really mean is "he could do > more of what I like." > > It is true whether we like it or not. I'm sure there are some fans > of EC who prefer his material that some consider lacking over > what they think is the absolute best. In there eyes EC "can do much > better", translation, "more of what they like" by sticking > with Wonderful Tonight-esque songs. > > Cheers, > Kelly > > > > ------------ > My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Batty > To: Slowhand Digest > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:32 PM > Subject: [Slowhand] RE: EC Shake-up > > > In his song "Local Hero", Bruce Springsteen includes the lyrics "First they made me the king then they made me pope, Then they brought the rope". > > This comes to mind every time I see some people on this list post nothing but negative comments. Criticism is fine but it is nice when it is balanced with at least some positive input too. > > This happens with so many artists. Dylan got booed when he went electric. Ricky Nelson got nuked for not playing his old songs and wrote about it in the song "Garden Party". It happened to Springsteen by doing "Tunnel of Love", "Human Touch" and "Lucky Town". > > I also think it is unbelievably arrogant for people to say EC "can do so much better". What they really mean is "he could do more of what I like". > > And before I hear the "lazy" charge one more time, I would refer people to the "Sessions for RJ" DVD in which EC talks about the difficulty of playing the RJ guitar lines and singing something completely different. > > My opinion is that some people on this list don't appreciate how much EC has actually "shaken things up." > > Richard > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050102/2534bab0/att achment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:58:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Almighty Geetarz > Subject: [Slowhand] EC in Asbury Park ... > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: <20050102225850.75257.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Published in the Asbury Park Press 01/02/05 > By MARK VOGER > STAFF WRITER > > Which brings us to guitarist Eric Clapton's "461 Ocean > Boulevard: Deluxe Edition" (Polydor). What a piece of > merchandise. Bonus tracks, a bonus live disc, a > "frosted" slipcase, foldout packaging and a 20-page > booklet with liner notes calling it a "crucial > milestone" in a "much-revered catalogue." > > Too bad the 1974 album is such a sleeping pill. > > "461 Ocean Boulevard" may have been Clapton's comeback > album after a gloomy period of heroin addiction and > meandering output, but we'll still take 1973's "Eric > Clapton's Rainbow Concert" -- the nadir of his decline > -- over "461" any day. > > Photographs of Clapton on Polydor's spiffy reissue > offer a clue as to what listeners are in for. We see > photo after photo of a rested, barefoot and > bored-looking Clapton lounging amid the sloping palm > trees of the title residence. > > "461 Ocean Boulevard" is an album generally > preoccupied with grooves over actual song content. > There's a lethargy on this album that makes you want > to say, "Hey, Eric, go back on drugs." > > (That there's a joke, political-correctness police.) > > The tedious shuffle of "Get Ready," "Steady Rollin' > Man" and the insanely dull "Willie and the Hand Jive" > disqualify "461" as a crucial milestone. Thanks to > incessant airplay, we may never need to hear "I Shot > the Sheriff" or "Motherless Children" again. But we'll > always love "Let it Grow" and "Mainline Florida." > > The bonus live disc is the saving grace of the > reissue. Clapton underplays brilliantly on "Smile" > (yes, the Charlie Chaplin song) and "Let it Grow." > There are glorious versions of "Little Wing," "Badge," > "Layla" and "Let it Rain." It almost justifies the > extra space this thing takes up on your CD shelf. > > ---------- > > Honest, y'all - I'm not ghostwriting CD reviews for > the APP, even if I did jokingly suggest a few years > back that EC simply needed a couple stiff drinks to > loosen up and start jamming again. Recalling the > response I got from some of the more humor-impaired SD > members, I can't help but chuckle with sympathy at the > thought of the hate mail this poor reviewer will get > in the coming days. > > Personally I can't argue much with the review except > to point out to the reviewer that although it is nice > to have the bonus live material in excellent quality, > it's perhaps charitable to say EC "underplayed > brilliantly", and perhaps more accurate to point out > that he was, as usual during that era, more or less > drunk. He may have given up smack, but booze was > still part of the setlist. > > Which brings up an interesting idea - each of you pick > an independant observer, someone only familiar with > what they hear of EC on the radio. Then play for that > person the bonus disc from '461', and then perhaps a > show from the 2004 tour, not telling them when or > where each show was recorded but simply asking for an > opinion as to which is a better performance. > > I expect you'd be hard pressed to find objective > observers who would pick the 30 year old performance > over the 2004 show. Which leads to an interesting > perspective on the folks who bemoan that EC does't > play "like he used to ..." > > Happy New Year! > > -AG > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:23:49 +0100 > From: liabar@tin.it > Subject: [Slowhand] CD offer on the mail for Jay Addie and Dave > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: <41536B8D000DA8C6@ims3c.cp.tin.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" > > This message is directed to Dave Mcaffeee Addie J. and Jay vargas. > Tonight I have packed your cds of Harrison Clapton I promised you last month. > Sorry for keeping you waiting for so long. I'm just out of a very busy period > (luckily). > Hope this is going to be a good 2005 musical surprise. If you already own > the 2cd- set please forward to other slowhanders because it is truly enjoyable > especially for > Beatles/clapton fanatics > enjoy. > Cheers. > lia > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:15:03 -0500 > From: Sol Fischler > Subject: [Slowhand] Legal Downloads > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Sorry guys, but I've been cheating on you ... > > In addition to the Digest, I also belong to a Grateful Dead e-mail group, > and because of them I found out something I want to pass along -- little or > no EC content, but valuable regardless. > > I wrote in to the Dead list looking for trades, and someone sent me back a > site: > > http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php > > that offers live shows from hundreds of bands that allow downloading, so > all shows are legal. Most of the bands are obscure (to me), but in > addition to the almost 2800 Dead shows, I did notice 100 shows by Little > Feat. > > Check it out -- if it works for you, you're welcome. > As for me, I spent this New Year's weekend with Jerry & the boys in Port > Chester, NY. > > In 1971. > > Sweet! > > -- Sol > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > > > End of Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 5 > ************************************** > From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 14:23:06 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Tue Jan 4 14:23:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re:Brownie Message-ID: <20050104192306.33330.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> >he appeared to be playing Brownie! Anyone know if >this is true? Maybe he borrowed it for the day ;) Don't worry, EC will buy enough guitars so that there will be enough for an EC Auction v.3 in a few years. I know he certainly spent time drooling over the selection of rare custom color vintage strats at the Dave's Guitar booth in Dallas, all of which were "not for sale" which is show-dealer-speak for "if you have to ask, you can't afford it". I wouldn't be surprised if he's picked up some new toys. And a list member posted during the 2001 tour that EC bought an original 50s SB strat from him before a show and then played it on stage. It may have been that one ... Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From downtownstreets at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 15:16:59 2005 From: downtownstreets at hotmail.com (Fabio Dwyer) Date: Tue Jan 4 15:17:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: youngest slowhander, list archives Message-ID: Kelly asked: >>Interesting. I think it's cool that a 13 year old posted here before. I >>guess he stopped? Kelly, He's still active and attends by the name of DeltaNick, but don't worry, he has his parent's permission to post here... Fabio "Lose a friend, but never a joke!" Eric 'Lazyhand' Clapton PS. Sorry nick, getting out of my millenar lurking just to tease you... Actually, I'd like to give my 2 brazilian cents here, I strongly defend your (and everyone's) right to criticize and praise our old Eric here, even if sometimes it gets really annoying... This is what this list is about, right? Discussing his music in all its aspects. ____________________________________ Learn about my cd "Downtown Streets" (Blues) Visit the sites: www.fabiodwyer.com.br e www.buscamp3.com.br/fabiodwyer _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: converse online com seus amigos . http://messenger.msn.com.br From Cobhome at aol.com Tue Jan 4 19:58:42 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 4 19:58:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Check out Robert Stigwood looks forward to a Cream reunion Message-ID: <86.1ed104f5.2f0c95c2@aol.com> Click here: Robert Stigwood looks forward to a Cream reunion You will note if you can follow the above url - that the writer - not Stigwood - refers to Cream as "Eric Clapton's band" - uh - we all know that is not the correct way to refer to Cream !!! Hope Jack and Ginger do not see this article !! LOL Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050104/7551796f/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Wed Jan 5 00:45:51 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Wed Jan 5 01:05:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny References: <20050104154506.30440.qmail@web13423.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017801c4f2ec$9a23d620$bd8b29d8@Kelly> Does anyone have pictures of this guitar? Also did anyone record the show? Would love to get it if we could work something out. Take care, Kelly ------------- My Clapton Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Lovett" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny > >he appeared to be playing Brownie! Anyone know if >>this is true? > > My guess is its very unlikely to be Brownie unless he > managed to get it back from whoever bought it during > the 1999 guitar auction for the Crossroads centre. > > EC also used the same worn sunburst strat when he > guested with Gary Brooker's 'No Stilletto Shoes' on > the 18th December in Chiddingfold (a couple of days > after the Jools Holland show was taped). I was at > that gig - and it made an interesting change from the > guitar sound he's had for the last few > years.....actually sounded similar to his 70's work. > > I got a pretty good look at the guitar....no idea > whether it was a custom shop relic'd guitar or a > genuine vintage one....expect EC goes for the real > thing though!! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. > http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Wed Jan 5 01:59:34 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Wed Jan 5 01:59:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: youngest slowhander, list archives References: Message-ID: <002801c4f2f4$25d318f0$bd8b29d8@Kelly> Haha, nice Fabio. Good to see you out from the lurking. Kelly -------- My Clapton Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabio Dwyer" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Slowhand] re: youngest slowhander, list archives > Kelly asked: > >>>Interesting. I think it's cool that a 13 year old posted here before. I >>>guess he stopped? > > Kelly, > > He's still active and attends by the name of DeltaNick, but don't worry, > he has his parent's permission to post here... > > Fabio > > "Lose a friend, but never a joke!" Eric 'Lazyhand' Clapton > > PS. Sorry nick, getting out of my millenar lurking just to tease you... > Actually, I'd like to give my 2 brazilian cents here, I strongly defend > your (and everyone's) right to criticize and praise our old Eric here, > even if sometimes it gets really annoying... This is what this list is > about, right? Discussing his music in all its aspects. > > ____________________________________ > Learn about my cd "Downtown Streets" (Blues) > Visit the sites: www.fabiodwyer.com.br e > www.buscamp3.com.br/fabiodwyer > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Messenger: converse online com seus amigos . > http://messenger.msn.com.br > > > From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 5 07:41:40 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Wed Jan 5 07:42:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny References: <22CE8E75BE6AD3119A9800508B0FF7E90477A20C@nmex02.nm.dsx.bae.co.uk> Message-ID: <011001c4f323$f2eb5350$0d24ff3e@MAIN> I would like to echo Scott's sentiments on the show as a whole, but one thing I dont think anyone has picked up on, (or have I missed it?) Eric seemed to be the only one missing from the end of the show. That last song could've done with a few fills from him too. Where was he? Prior Engagement? No Baby sitter? Past his bed-time? who knows? Simon From ddell at socal.rr.com Wed Jan 5 10:34:44 2005 From: ddell at socal.rr.com (Dave Dell) Date: Wed Jan 5 10:34:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] the debate Message-ID: <010901c4f33c$154b4be0$0202a8c0@dave> Interesting posts everyone : ) While I've often disagreed with many of DeltaNick's opinions, I think we always have to remember they are just that, only opinions. Everyone's entitled to be a critic and we can either agree or disagree to our heart's content. We can also be fans and still not like some of Eric's music. Personally, I think Eric is a much better player today than in the 60s, but again that's just my opinion. Dave From bmuradian at comcast.net Wed Jan 5 12:13:32 2005 From: bmuradian at comcast.net (bmuradian@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:13:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton - Beck at Crossroads 2004 Message-ID: <010520051713.25877.41DC203C0008B471000065152200735834020E070B0E9D9A030D@comcast.net> I may have already inquired, but does anyone have access to Jeff Beck - Eric Clapton performance of " 'Cause We've Ended As Lovers" from Crossroads concert 2004? I am particularly disappointed that it was not included in DVD, trust that it was record company issue and not due to poor quality of performance. Anyway, anything you can offer is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050105/071c27c7/attachment.html From daniel at hayesinstrument.com Wed Jan 5 12:20:18 2005 From: daniel at hayesinstrument.com (Daniel Shearon) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:20:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny Message-ID: <20050105172044.ACDBE8D24D@six.pairlist.net> Someone posted a DVD on eztree. I am in the process of downloading now. It is in PAL but I may be able to fix that. I will let ya'll know. Daniel -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 From gary.holderness at bbc.co.uk Wed Jan 5 12:33:20 2005 From: gary.holderness at bbc.co.uk (Gary Holderness) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:33:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Jools Holland Hootenanny Message-ID: <2E7D3F325C53D64289C66C4E6CDE684702F670DD@bbcxue206.national.core.bbc.co.uk> I'm currently working on a DVD of Eric's performances on the show including the rehersal footage. According to an insider he never stays longer than he needs to at these events hence not appearing in the final line up. The DVD will be offered to the list when completed. Gary http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050105/3a306f38/attachment.html From turbineltd at btconnect.com Wed Jan 5 15:24:11 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Wed Jan 5 15:23:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny Message-ID: <001301c4f364$a5e2a630$0100a8c0@dellws410> From: "Kelly Murphy" Subject: Re: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny To: Message-ID: <017801c4f2ec$9a23d620$bd8b29d8@Kelly> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Does anyone have pictures of this guitar? > Also did anyone record the show? Would love to get > it if we could work something out. Kelly, This is available as a Bit Torrent at: http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=21066 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric Clapton on Jools Holland's Hootenanny DVD Recorded 16 December 2004. Broadcast on BBC New Year's Eve 2004/5. Lineage : BBC2 Digital > Panasonic DMRHS2 DVDRAM > Womble (For Fades) > TMPGENC DVDAuthor > DVDShrink (Just for compatibility). 704x576 25fps (PAL). LPCM Audio. DVD format Consists of 3 Chapters clocking in at just 10 minutes 22 secs. 1 - A very short chat with EC (around 30 seconds) 2 - Stop Breakin' Down Blues 3 - Little Queen Of Spades. File Size: 705.08 MB EC is backed by Jools Holland & his Rhythm & Blues Orchestra for these songs. Thanks be to: philwjones ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BTW, I might be that 13-year old. I'm so paranoiac, that when I register, I pretend to be a minor in order not to divulge too much personal information. Of course I'm older now ;~) DN doesn't seem to care though; was that an invitation to his house-warming party? John From Cobhome at aol.com Wed Jan 5 15:33:28 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 5 15:33:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hootenanny Message-ID: Simon - \\ Ec taped his segment of the Jules Hootenanny show prior - on NY Eve EC was performing at the traditional AA NY Eve Party he hosts each year. Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050105/ff487dfa/attachment.html From H.W.W.W at t-online.de Wed Jan 5 13:08:22 2005 From: H.W.W.W at t-online.de (Familie Willems) Date: Wed Jan 5 15:36:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Jools Holland - Video on Easytree Message-ID: <001b01c4f351$8b6ea000$d5ae55d9@Online> Hi Slowhanders On Easytree, you can download the EC part in DVD quality. Here is the link: http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=21066 If you are new for Easytree, you have to start here: http://www.easytree.org/index.php and register, before you can download. Best wishes Karlheinz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050105/9041e5ff/attachment.html From darmel at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 5 16:39:44 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Wed Jan 5 16:39:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Debate Message-ID: <20050105213944.95923.qmail@web81709.mail.yahoo.com> Some have criticized EC because he doesn't "stretch" - take chances like he used to with his music and that he plays it safe. I recently read an opinion just the opposite - that he uses the (traditional blues standards) songs just to "show off" his guitar mastery and that he should put his own "spin" on the songs - like he did with XRoads with Cream. I guess it is all in the way you look at it, but I really don't agree with either of these perspectives. I think that EC is playing the best music of his life right now, and drugs aren't getting in the way. I see that his technique is still evolving. Example: in recent years, he's been using his left "pinky," which he never used to do. Also, since "Unplugged," he will put away the pick and finger pluck more often (sublime MarkK influence maybe). And - he's been playing slide guitar lately - see "SessionIV" of the new DVD/CD. I don't recall seeing him do that very much if at all. He is certainly not sitting back and coasting. I, also, think that his current mode has much to do with where his is in his head at present. With AA, he was taught that he is Eric the alcoholic, husband/father - but not the "guitar god." This explains the short haircut, loosing the Armani suits, the babes and the fan fair and finding humility. In short, he's grown and matured. Bravo! Mel Boss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050105/b3e18b9a/attachment.html From jbroholm at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 5 17:16:29 2005 From: jbroholm at sbcglobal.net (John Broholm) Date: Wed Jan 5 17:17:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Check out Robert Stigwood looks forward to a Cream reunion In-Reply-To: <20050105170002.474A48D4C9@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050105221629.84364.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> This is the part that made me laugh: "I founded them, you know" a proud Stigwood tells Undercover." That's not the way others tell it. JB >>>Click here: Robert Stigwood looks forward to a Cream reunion You will note if you can follow the above url - that the writer - not Stigwood - refers to Cream as "Eric Clapton's band" - uh - we all know that is not the correct way to refer to Cream !!! Hope Jack and Ginger do not see this article !! LOL Cecelia <<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050105/8ab8dfdf/attachment.html From snogod at claptonweb.com Thu Jan 6 06:29:57 2005 From: snogod at claptonweb.com (Snogod) Date: Thu Jan 6 06:25:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hidden song Message-ID: <004201c4f3e3$10cc3280$772aea52@SNOGOD> An interesting tip for the beginning of the year. In the Crossroads Festival video, a hidden song is waiting for you on the second disc. Before I tell you more about it, here is a clue : When you hear the name of Eric Clapton, you think about an old special song... Yeah, you are right, it's of course Layla that is on chapter 2, title 2. I have to tell you that it's pretty simplier to access to it with a computer than a classic dvd player. In that case, just launch the "Festival" chapter then double skip to back. See you Snogod ________________________ E.C. Mainline Florida http://www.claptonweb.com From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 6 08:12:37 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Thu Jan 6 08:17:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Debate References: <20050105213944.95923.qmail@web81709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017e01c4f3f1$64efc6c0$0d24ff3e@MAIN> Whilst I'll agree with you that Eric's musical output is some of his best at the moment, just a couple of points to pick up on. Eric has rarely used his "pinky", like most other self-taught guitarists. As its something I'm conciously trying to make myself do in order to try and improve my playing technique, I paid particularly close attention to this during the hootenanny broadcast, and I didn't notice him using it at all, (though I haven't re-watched the recording and several bottles of wine may have dented my concentration!). As for slide guitar, it's something Eric has done regularly in his career since, I believe, Duane Allman helped him nail his technique in the Dominoes days. It's something he only seems to use in a blues context, such as Motherless Children on 461, and several recordings since, notably on Unplugged, "Running on Faith", and from the Cradle. Most slowhanders will remember the metallic blue Strat copy from the first guitar auction used for slide on the 'Behind the Sun' tour and video. As I said, he seems to use slide mainly for blues, hence its re-appearance now. I think much of Eric's 'fire' at the moment is coming from the inspiration of recording music that he has loved most of his life. I just hope that its not a final blast, since many of the things he is doing at the moment, such as recording the Robert Johnson album, playing with Cream and John Mayall, selling off old guitars, could all be seen as 'ying up loose ends', possibly looking towards retirement. I sincerely hope this is not the case, since on recent form, the best could be yet to come! As for the claim that EC is "showing off", isn't that like saying Michael Schumacher is showing off by driving so fast? Its what they both do for a living and what we love them for!! I dont mean this to sound like a rant, or a flame, but you did head up the entry "debate", so I assume your inviting feedback! Simon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050106/6fc0e308/attachment.html From joeyjay at att.net Thu Jan 6 09:00:32 2005 From: joeyjay at att.net (joeyjay@att.net) Date: Thu Jan 6 09:01:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Ripping Me and Mr. Johnson Message-ID: <010620051400.6700.41DD44800000E30500001A2C2160281302970E06970A0106@att.net> Slowhanders, The other night I wanted to rip a few songs from my store-bought Me and Mr. Johnson CD and I found that it would only rip the first track, but none of the others. I wound up recording the songs I wanted to cassette and then feeding them into my computer through good audio software as wav files......which I converted to MP3. Have any of you had the same experience of not being able to rip this CD? Please advise if there is a better workaround method than the one I used. Cheers, JoeyJay From klaassen at coastweb.de Thu Jan 6 10:03:23 2005 From: klaassen at coastweb.de (Gerd Klaassen) Date: Thu Jan 6 10:03:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Old digests Message-ID: <41DD533B.6030802@coastweb.de> Happy new year, a while ago someone asked for old digests - they are all at ftp://www.12bar.de/slowhand/digest_archive/ Hope this helps, Gerd From crocketo at tele2adsl.dk Thu Jan 6 10:40:09 2005 From: crocketo at tele2adsl.dk (Kristian Frellsen) Date: Thu Jan 6 10:40:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hidden song In-Reply-To: <004201c4f3e3$10cc3280$772aea52@SNOGOD> Message-ID: Hi all. Has anybody tried this? I've just tried on my dvd and it doesn't work. Chapter 2 title 2 is John McLaughlin and I can't skip 2 tracks back! If someone have tried this successfully, please post some help for (and others). Thanx Kristian -----Original Message----- From: Snogod [mailto:snogod@claptonweb.com] Sent: 6. januar 2005 12:30 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Hidden song An interesting tip for the beginning of the year. In the Crossroads Festival video, a hidden song is waiting for you on the second disc. Before I tell you more about it, here is a clue : When you hear the name of Eric Clapton, you think about an old special song... Yeah, you are right, it's of course Layla that is on chapter 2, title 2. I have to tell you that it's pretty simplier to access to it with a computer than a classic dvd player. In that case, just launch the "Festival" chapter then double skip to back. See you Snogod ________________________ E.C. Mainline Florida http://www.claptonweb.com From snogod at claptonweb.com Thu Jan 6 12:18:44 2005 From: snogod at claptonweb.com (Snogod) Date: Thu Jan 6 12:14:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Hidden song Message-ID: <007401c4f413$c9023ea0$772aea52@SNOGOD> It works but it's easier with a player on your computer : * if you use Windows Media Player, on the right part of the window (the arborescence one) you click on Title 2, and select Chapter 1. * with Powerdvd, right click on the Play button then select the same thing (Title 2, Chapter 1), in the menu that just appears. I've received a lot of mails since I posted it on SHD, beware, "Title 2, Chapter 1" doesn't mean "Chapter 2" (which is indeed the John McLaughling song at Title 3, Chapter 2) Hope this helps Snogod ________________________ E.C. Mainline Florida http://www.claptonweb.com From aks112778 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 12:36:14 2005 From: aks112778 at hotmail.com (Ken Simpson) Date: Thu Jan 6 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hidden Song References: <20050106112558.877FC8CD2C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Hi all: I've been unable to access Layla on the Crossroads DVD despite Snogod's directions. Can anyone help out? Can anyone explain how to do it on the on a standard DVD player? Thanks very much. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:25 AM Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 15 > Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Clapton - Beck at Crossroads 2004 (bmuradian@comcast.net) > 2. EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny (Daniel Shearon) > 3. Jools Holland Hootenanny (Gary Holderness) > 4. Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny (John Mills) > 5. Hootenanny (Cobhome@aol.com) > 6. EC on Jools Holland - Video on Easytree (Familie Willems) > 7. Debate (Mel Boss) > 8. Re: Check out Robert Stigwood looks forward to a Cream > reunion (John Broholm) > 9. Hidden song (Snogod) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > From artaarias at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 12:47:59 2005 From: artaarias at yahoo.com (Art Arias) Date: Thu Jan 6 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Brownie Message-ID: <20050106174759.13498.qmail@web21128.mail.yahoo.com> Back in 2001 just before the final Staples Center shows of his then farewell tour, this message was posted to the digest: From: GomeDoc@aol.com Subject: Phx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit great concert in Phx last nite...very polished and professional if not a bit subdued and perhaps initally perfunctory(i have the set list if anyone is interested)...great to see Billy Preston....Eric's tweed twin(which i understand had just been repaired by John Suhr) blew out during My Father's Eyes....it was a funny moment as Eric smiled and shrugged...eventually his techies replaced it with "The Kang" as we know it here in southern, AZ(ie a VibroKing)...That made three VibroKings on stage at that point......Eric played his multi color presumed new signature strat for most of the electric set and switched to a 57 strat which yours truly sold to him prior to the show....he seemed to really like my former strat but had a few difficulties with it as the neck is a bit funky...blew me away to see him playing an instrument which just a few hours before was in my house and in my hands....He made it sing as if it were directly from the mouth of G-d ...i am glad it is in good home...... i am not sure where he is playing tonite but if anyone is there, i would be interested in knowing if he played this strat tonite?? Please let me know.... jS Tucson End of slowhand Digest V01 Issue #212 I was very close to the stage and snapped a few pictures of EC playing his guitar at the first show at Staples, and emailed the best photo to this message poster who acknoledged that that was indeed the guitar he sold him. EC played this guitar on only 2-3 songs early on in the set and it appeared to me that he was having some trouble with it somehow as he finally signaled to Lee Dickson to bring him a different one to play. Don't have any of the photos any longer and don't really know if this was the same one he was playing recently as one digest member noticed. Art Arias __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From lenmoskowitz at optonline.net Thu Jan 6 13:56:46 2005 From: lenmoskowitz at optonline.net (Len Moskowitz) Date: Thu Jan 6 13:54:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny References: <001301c4f364$a5e2a630$0100a8c0@dellws410> Message-ID: <004601c4f421$789befc0$1c02a8c0@win98> Good news: This is downloading as a vob file and Windows Media Player opens it with no problems. Len Moskowitz ----- > Kelly, > This is available as a Bit Torrent at: > http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=21066 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Eric Clapton on Jools Holland's Hootenanny DVD > Recorded 16 December 2004. Broadcast on BBC New Year's Eve 2004/5. > > Lineage : > BBC2 Digital > Panasonic DMRHS2 DVDRAM > Womble (For Fades) > TMPGENC > DVDAuthor > DVDShrink (Just for compatibility). > > 704x576 25fps (PAL). LPCM Audio. DVD format > > Consists of 3 Chapters clocking in at just 10 minutes 22 secs. > > 1 - A very short chat with EC (around 30 seconds) > 2 - Stop Breakin' Down Blues > 3 - Little Queen Of Spades. > > File Size: 705.08 MB > EC is backed by Jools Holland & his Rhythm & Blues Orchestra for these > songs. > > Thanks be to: philwjones > From crocketo at tele2adsl.dk Thu Jan 6 15:40:38 2005 From: crocketo at tele2adsl.dk (Kristian Frellsen) Date: Thu Jan 6 15:40:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hidden song - Once more! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi again. I couldn't find Layla the way described, but if you go to the extras section of disc 2 and select the 'main' option and then presses left (that is the left-button used to navigate with) you'll see that none of the options available are marked - then press enter. This will get you to Layla! Hope this helps - It did for for me :-) Thanks to all who replied and tried to help. Best regards Kristian -----Original Message----- From: Kristian Frellsen [mailto:crocketo@tele2adsl.dk] Sent: 6. januar 2005 16:40 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: RE: [Slowhand] Hidden song Hi all. Has anybody tried this? I've just tried on my dvd and it doesn't work. Chapter 2 title 2 is John McLaughlin and I can't skip 2 tracks back! If someone have tried this successfully, please post some help for (and others). Thanx Kristian -----Original Message----- From: Snogod [mailto:snogod@claptonweb.com] Sent: 6. januar 2005 12:30 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Hidden song An interesting tip for the beginning of the year. In the Crossroads Festival video, a hidden song is waiting for you on the second disc. Before I tell you more about it, here is a clue : When you hear the name of Eric Clapton, you think about an old special song... Yeah, you are right, it's of course Layla that is on chapter 2, title 2. I have to tell you that it's pretty simplier to access to it with a computer than a classic dvd player. In that case, just launch the "Festival" chapter then double skip to back. See you Snogod ________________________ E.C. Mainline Florida http://www.claptonweb.com From darmel at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 6 16:11:51 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Thu Jan 6 16:11:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE:Debate Message-ID: <20050106211151.57400.qmail@web81705.mail.yahoo.com> No offense taken - your feedback is not offensive. One item you may have misunderstood is that I disagreed with the idea that EC was using the music to "showoff." I thought that assertion to be a bit absurd. As for the use of the "pinky" you are correct that he doesn't use it often, but I have seen him use it in recent videos, and I will look and get back with you so that I can be specific. As for use of slide guitar, I was unsure of that one. I thought that, perhaps, he might have been influenced by Dwain. But isn't that what I love about EC. He learns from the people around him, and he is constantly improving his skills. Thanks for the feedback. Mel I dont mean this to sound like a rant, or a flame, but you did head up the entry "debate", so I assume your inviting feedback! Simon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050106/8e80b7d7/attachment.html From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Thu Jan 6 16:25:23 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Thu Jan 6 16:13:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RJ sessions comments Message-ID: <07bb01c4f436$3c153290$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> 1. if you aren't watching the whole thing from start to end, make sure when you go from chapter to chapter that you select "session #" on the screen rather than the first song listed for a particular chapter. if you dont, you will miss some 1 to 2 minute introductory footage at each session (including info listed about dates and locations). session 3 has some funny back and forth between EC and doyle about RJ's "flamenco" period. 2. does anyone else find it amusing/ironic/funny with EC singing blues about "stones in his passway" while in a luxury hotel room on the beach, with the Santa Monica Pier ferris wheel out the window behind him to the north?? out sambo8 ps robert randolph "heads on a stick" were spotted on local chicago ABC-TV on NYE in the third row!! tracy and i had a great time at a great show. 1 downer - the local police shut off robert's power in the middle of his last song at 1:45 am. he was supposed to play until 2am, but i guess they wanted the navy pier closed by then. anyone with flac downloading/conversion capabilities can download the show by bittorrent off bt.etree. contact me privately if you require the exact url.... ********************************************************** The shortest sentence is "I am." The longest sentence is "I DO!!" From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 16:50:15 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Jan 6 16:50:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Wonderful Tonight ... Message-ID: <20050106215015.29459.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> ... It's all her fault ! ----------------------- MUSIC MUSE BOYD TOURS FAMOUS FRIENDS' PHOTOS GEORGE HARRISON The muse who inspired GEORGE HARRISON and ERIC CLAPTON to write their most sensitive songs is launching a tour of photographs of her famous friends. PATTI BOYD, who inspired rock classics like SOMETHING and LAYLA, has spent years snapping the stars, and now her images of Harrison, Clapton and SIR MICK JAGGER among others are to tour America museums. The first showing will be on St Valentine's Day (14FEB05) at the San Francisco Art Exchange. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From lukelinus at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 17:42:59 2005 From: lukelinus at yahoo.com (LukeLinus) Date: Thu Jan 6 17:43:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Unconfirmed CREAM dates Message-ID: <20050106224259.29672.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> Taken from a german rocktour ad: May 3,4,6 and 7 Albert Hall. best Peter / Germany last show: Sting next show: Popovic/Foley/Kane ===== http://www.lukelinus.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rsmith at sncag.com Thu Jan 6 18:31:03 2005 From: rsmith at sncag.com (Rob Smith) Date: Thu Jan 6 18:31:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Unconfirmed CREAM dates In-Reply-To: <20050106224259.29672.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c4f447$d030c910$ec0011ac@john7wuuh7lhew> Does anybody have any idea yet when tickets may go on sale? Last I heard Claptopn said "Soon". Thanks in advance, -Rob -----Original Message----- From: LukeLinus [mailto:lukelinus@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:43 PM To: slowhand digest Subject: [Slowhand] Unconfirmed CREAM dates Taken from a german rocktour ad: May 3,4,6 and 7 Albert Hall. best Peter / Germany last show: Sting next show: Popovic/Foley/Kane ===== http://www.lukelinus.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From mangs88 at verizon.net Thu Jan 6 20:08:57 2005 From: mangs88 at verizon.net (sam mangano) Date: Thu Jan 6 20:08:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] secret layla Message-ID: <005501c4f455$78295a30$2d01a8c0@Family> these "secret" areas on a dvd are known as "easter eggs", since you have to "hunt" for them. there are websites dedicated to these on the net (they give you detailed instructions on how to find them, mainly in regards to movie xtras). IMO, they suck, and should just be included on the dvd in a normal fashion. out sambo8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050106/694d6895/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Thu Jan 6 20:28:18 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Thu Jan 6 20:28:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Unconfirmed CREAM dates References: <20050106224259.29672.qmail@web54606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c4f458$2c547b50$e29529d8@Kelly> Nooooo! This is the week before my finals week. I hope I can get out of that week if it's true. Kelly ----------- "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ Clapton http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "LukeLinus" To: "slowhand digest" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Unconfirmed CREAM dates > Taken from a german rocktour ad: > May 3,4,6 and 7 Albert Hall. > > best > Peter / Germany > > last show: Sting > next show: Popovic/Foley/Kane > > ===== > http://www.lukelinus.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > From lukelinus at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 20:29:56 2005 From: lukelinus at yahoo.com (LukeLinus) Date: Thu Jan 6 20:29:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Hidden track Message-ID: <20050107012957.19574.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com> >if you go to the extras section >of disc 2 and select the 'main' option and then >presses left (that is the >left-button used to navigate with) you'll see that >none of the options >available are marked - then press enter. This will >get you to Layla! >Hope this helps - It did for for me :-) Thanks, worked for me as well. Peter / Germany ===== http://www.lukelinus.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Thu Jan 6 20:30:38 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Thu Jan 6 20:30:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny References: <001301c4f364$a5e2a630$0100a8c0@dellws410> <004601c4f421$789befc0$1c02a8c0@win98> Message-ID: <002501c4f458$7fa0a3b0$e29529d8@Kelly> Thanks for letting us know. It may take awhile since I'm on dial up, but I may see how long it will take to download. Kelly ----------- "Ain't no one but you, baby, ever stopped me in my tracks Once this thing gets rolling, darling, well there ain't no turning back" ~ Clapton http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Moskowitz" To: "John Mills" ; Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Jools Holland - Hootenanny > Good news: This is downloading as a vob file and Windows Media Player > opens > it with no problems. > > > Len Moskowitz > > ----- > >> Kelly, >> This is available as a Bit Torrent at: >> http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=21066 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Eric Clapton on Jools Holland's Hootenanny DVD >> Recorded 16 December 2004. Broadcast on BBC New Year's Eve 2004/5. >> >> Lineage : >> BBC2 Digital > Panasonic DMRHS2 DVDRAM > Womble (For Fades) > TMPGENC >> DVDAuthor > DVDShrink (Just for compatibility). >> >> 704x576 25fps (PAL). LPCM Audio. DVD format >> >> Consists of 3 Chapters clocking in at just 10 minutes 22 secs. >> >> 1 - A very short chat with EC (around 30 seconds) >> 2 - Stop Breakin' Down Blues >> 3 - Little Queen Of Spades. >> >> File Size: 705.08 MB >> EC is backed by Jools Holland & his Rhythm & Blues Orchestra for these >> songs. >> >> Thanks be to: philwjones >> > > > From hillman at planet-torque.com Thu Jan 6 21:22:17 2005 From: hillman at planet-torque.com (David Hillman) Date: Thu Jan 6 21:22:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Revolutionary Message-ID: I've been thinking about how to convey this idea since we started talking about the decline or incline of Eric's career the other day. Then I stumbled across this review on amazon.com that expresses it much better than I could've. Their usage policy doesn't seem to prohibit limited reproduction, so here goes; Charles "Chuck" Voellinger says of the re-mastered Bluesbreakers album... "This is the album that started it all, October 20, 2001 - If you've never heard this album then this remaster is the best way to hear it. It's clean, has good separation and features two bonus tracks recorded by John and Eric. Now for the anorak, trainspotting details of WHY this album is important. Quite simply, as far as tone, technique and temperament, Eric Clapton at this time was revolutionary. In the guitar world there are two periods; BB (Before "Bluesbreakers") and AB (After "Bluesbreakers"). First, tone. NO ONE had this kind of overdriven, aggressive and harmonically rich sound before 1966. Literally, what we associate with rock/blues guitar sound for the last 35 years can be traced back to the tones Clapton was getting in '66. Second, technique. Imagine yourself as young person in England at this time and you've discovered the great American blues guitarists like B.B. and Freddie King but figure you will never see them unless you go to America. Then you hear about AN ENGLISHMAN your age who can play that way, plus add something of his own. Third, temperament. Eric Clapton was able at young age to both tap into a vastly different world (that of the African-American middle aged bluesman)and supply his own revolutionary ideas about how the elecrtic guitar could be played. Revolutionary is right. People forget about that all the time but in 1966 Clapton changed everything. It is a tribute to his basic sanity after all these years and personal problems that he DIDN'T try and continually live up to that standard. He did other things. Most musicians never have the opportunity to revolutionize anything and very very few can do it more than once. Whenever anyone looks disparagingly on Eric Clapton's career, and he had some low points it's true, all I have to say is "Bluesbreakers". ___ Chuck, if you happen to be out there, well said. -- David Hillman From ddell at socal.rr.com Thu Jan 6 23:29:25 2005 From: ddell at socal.rr.com (Dave Dell) Date: Thu Jan 6 23:29:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] hiidden Layla Message-ID: <012c01c4f471$78112d90$0202a8c0@dave> I found it..thanks to Kristian for the instructions. This version features a very nice and inventive coda section of the song, which I noticed a lot more in seeing Eric play it compared to only hearing the boot recording. Dave From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 7 06:18:06 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Fri Jan 7 06:18:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Ripping Me and Mr. Johnson References: <010620051400.6700.41DD44800000E30500001A2C2160281302970E06970A0106@att.net> Message-ID: <00b701c4f4aa$96e7d550$a224ff3e@MAIN> I had the same problem due to the file protection. I think its a cheek, I know the music industry wants to protect itself, but if I've bought a cd why can't I easily transfer it to my MP3 player? Anyway, if you download 'Audio Grabber', it'll ignore the protection and you can rip the cd easily. Hope that helps. Simon. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Slowhand Submissions" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Ripping Me and Mr. Johnson > Slowhanders, > > The other night I wanted to rip a few songs from my store-bought Me and Mr. Johnson CD and I found that it would only rip the first track, but none of the others. I wound up recording the songs I wanted to cassette and then feeding them into my computer through good audio software as wav files......which I converted to MP3. > > Have any of you had the same experience of not being able to rip this CD? > > Please advise if there is a better workaround method than the one I used. > > Cheers, > JoeyJay > > From darmel at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 7 13:36:27 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Fri Jan 7 13:36:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re:Revolutionary Message-ID: <20050107183627.34920.qmail@web81702.mail.yahoo.com> David, Thanks for your restatement of Charles Voellinger's words. It is hard to disagree with a point of view so well stated. I think that, perhaps, the best "test" of any work such as this is how well it stands up to time. To me BB does not sound "dated" when I listen to it - nearly forty years from its debute. It's a short list of music that meets this criteria. Good find. Mel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050107/c3c0bec1/attachment.html From Dale.Kalina at rrd.com Fri Jan 7 14:59:38 2005 From: Dale.Kalina at rrd.com (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) Date: Fri Jan 7 14:59:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Sheecago Message-ID: Is it just me or does EC's pronounciation of Chicago on the 'Sweet Home Chicago" grate on anyone else's nerves. Eric - it is pronounced Shi-KA-go, not SHEE-ka-go. Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050107/623cd4c6/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 22:22:30 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Fri Jan 7 22:22:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Ripping MandMJ Message-ID: <20050108032230.79571.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> "I wound up recording the songs I wanted to cassette and then feeding them into my computer through good audio software as wav files......which I converted to MP3." [AG] As Sol so kindly pointed out some months ago, the proper technique in cases like this is to play the cd through your stereo and hold your PC mic up to the speakers and record it that way. "Have any of you had the same experience of not being able to rip this CD?" [AG] Zero problems, ripped and encoded flawlessly with EAC (v. 0.9 prebeta 11) and LAME. MP3s suck but to my knowledge LAME is one of the least suckadelic sounding encoders, especially at a decent bitrate (anything below 256k is going to make an 8-track sound great in comparison). If your playback device will handle it, you can also encode at a variable bitrate which will give much better quality and lower file sizes. Some wonderful person combined the two into a preconfigured package called "Superior MP3", I can't seem to find the d/l site so try this: http://www.geetarz.org/html/downloads.htm Cheers, AG P.S. See, I told y'all that if you didn't stop arguing I'd bring up EAC again __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From meesaboogie at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 8 05:19:26 2005 From: meesaboogie at yahoo.co.uk (Leo Coomans) Date: Sat Jan 8 05:20:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Ripping Me and Mr Johnson In-Reply-To: <20050107170005.107F98D0FE@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050108101926.84226.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I always make a back-up copy to use in my car. Don't trust the equipment when it comes to damage being done on my original. I use EAC to rip, no problem with this disc and my back-up plays fine. If EAC can't do the job (only a few times so far), I play the CD and make a digital copy through my PC, do some track-cuttings, burn and ready to go. Leo. Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:18:06 -0000 From: "simon george" Subject: Re: [Slowhand] Ripping Me and Mr. Johnson To: , "Slowhand Submissions" Message-ID: <00b701c4f4aa$96e7d550$a224ff3e@MAIN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had the same problem due to the file protection. I think its a cheek, I know the music industry wants to protect itself, but if I've bought a cd why can't I easily transfer it to my MP3 player? Anyway, if you download 'Audio Grabber', it'll ignore the protection and you can rip the cd easily. Hope that helps. Simon. ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From guitarbob at valink.com Sat Jan 8 09:07:09 2005 From: guitarbob at valink.com (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 8 09:03:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hotline MP3 server Message-ID: <05dc01c4f58b$588fb9d0$9605a8c0@MCSESERVER.NET> Some of you may have noticed the hotline server has been down. I took it down for one primary reason, twice actually, and it is presently down now. Twice someone uploaded trojan horse programs enabling backdoor access to my system. Both times my anti-virus caught it after it had been uploaded and quarantined it, but the first time it ran for awhile allowing someone unauthorized access to my entire business file server. As this is a completely closed FTP site for the use of this list, and the IP, password and user names are only posted here on rare occasions, and emailed privately only to people who email me from this list asking how to access the file server, it had to have come from someone on the slowhand digest. Therefore, until further notice, the server is offline, usernames and passwords have been changed or deleted, and acecss will be severely restricted in the future. I find it appalling that someone from this list would find amusement in uploaded such a thing to the server, given that I set it up using my own resources and shared it with everyone here without charge, and without asking for anything in return. One bad apple..... If anyone is looking for specific songs, shows, etc, email me and maybe we can work something out. Bob Welsh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050108/68f0d582/attachment.html From blues4jr at aol.com Sat Jan 8 09:33:34 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 8 09:33:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream announcement UPI/BBC Message-ID: <5D16FA21.69B58FF7.00955D93@aol.com> UPI News Service, 12/26/2004 Eric Clapton has said he plans to reunite legendary rock band Cream for four shows next May in London, E! Online reported Sunday. Clapton told BBC Radio 2 that his ex-bandmates, singer-bassist Jack Bruce and drummer Ginger Baker, will join him at London's Royal Albert Hall, where the trio played its final show in 1968. However, there has been no other official comment since Clapton's remarks. Clapton, Bruce and Baker appeared onstage together one time after the band's split, when they performed a three-song set at the their 1993 induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. No Cream concerts were on the Royal Albert Hall's schedule Sunday, but Clapton said tickets would be going on sale very soon, and all four concerts would be recorded for release on CD and/or DVD. From jshortri at rmi.net Sat Jan 8 11:30:15 2005 From: jshortri at rmi.net (John Shortridge) Date: Sat Jan 8 11:26:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream tickets and trips? Message-ID: <939E8F80-6192-11D9-A379-003065C7881E@rmi.net> Hi, I'm a lurker on this list, but I think this is one of the first lists I ever got on back in the early 90's. I've been wanting for years to go to London to see Eric during his Royal Albert Hall runs. I just haven't done it. But with Cream playing, I think this might be the year. I'm curious regarding getting tickets. I assume Ticketmaster or some such company has web access for tickets when they go on sale, and I can get online here in the Colorado mountains and order tickets? What exactly is the ticket acquisition process? Also, I think I'd be going solo, so are any other fellow slowhanders going that might want to hook up for some London sightseeing and dinners before the shows? I'm on the Undercover list for the Stones, and when they tour the list members are all over it with pre-show parties and get-togethers all over the world. I've never really read much on this list regarding those kinds of happenings. I also remember a number of Royal Albert Hall Clapton gigs ago, some travel agency that posted on this list regarding flights, hotels and ticket packages. I wonder if they still do that? Thanks, John From hugo.beer at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 8 11:33:44 2005 From: hugo.beer at ntlworld.com (Hugo Beer) Date: Sat Jan 8 11:33:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19 References: <20050108162655.BB6A38D04F@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <00b301c4f59f$d35b55c0$90110350@BEER> It is true, and Eric will appear, with Jools Holland and others. Tickets and info available here - enjoy! Hugo http://www.millenniumstadium.com/197_3907.php?PHPSESSID=1d89e2c4f19e76e997dfabeb7d624fa2 > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:57:21 EST > From: Cobhome@aol.com > Subject: [Slowhand] Charity Date > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: <78.69f7ccfe.2f107be1@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Don't know if this is true or not but it seems there is to be a charity > concert which EC will participate in to aid the [people in asia. January > 22 in > Cardiff > > Cecelia From boultonaj at hotmail.com Sat Jan 8 12:18:41 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Sat Jan 8 12:19:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Sheecago Message-ID: The way people from Sheecago speak often grates on my nerves, Dale. ;) Tony From: To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Sheecago Sent: Friday, January 7, 2005 1:59 PM Is it just me or does EC's pronounciation of Chicago on the 'Sweet Home Chicago" grate on anyone else's nerves. Eric - it is pronounced Shi-KA-go, not SHEE-ka-go. Dale From bluesview at comcast.net Sat Jan 8 12:19:08 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Sat Jan 8 12:19:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric - Live Aid II References: <001101c4f525$e523f2f0$4f8c29d8@Kelly> Message-ID: <002701c4f5a6$2a0b0cc0$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Murphy To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Eric - Live Aid II http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1188518,00050003.htm Kelly ---------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi It doesn't surprise me in the least that Eric is one if not THE first major musician to support such an effort. He has always been most generous in giving a helping hand when called upon... be it a small charity or worldwide humanitarian event. Bluesview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050108/e887c799/attachment.html From bluesview at comcast.net Sat Jan 8 12:29:26 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Sat Jan 8 12:29:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream tickets and trips? References: <939E8F80-6192-11D9-A379-003065C7881E@rmi.net> Message-ID: <003601c4f5a7$9ab715d0$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Shortridge" To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Cream tickets and trips? > Hi, > I'm a lurker on this list, but I think this is one of the first lists I > ever got on back in the early 90's. I've been wanting for years to go > to London to see Eric during his > Royal Albert Hall runs. I just haven't done it. But with Cream playing, > I think this might be the year. > > I'm curious regarding getting tickets. I assume Ticketmaster or some > such company has web access for tickets when they go on sale, and I can > get online here in the Colorado mountains and order tickets? What > exactly is the ticket acquisition process? Also, I think I'd be going > solo, so are any other fellow slowhanders going that might want to hook > up for some London sightseeing and dinners before the shows? I'm on the > Undercover list for the Stones, and when they tour the list members are > all over it with pre-show parties and get-togethers all over the world. > I've never really read much on this list regarding those kinds of > happenings. > > I also remember a number of Royal Albert Hall Clapton gigs ago, some > travel agency that posted on this list regarding > flights, hotels and ticket packages. I wonder if they still do that? > > Thanks, > John > > > John, I'm glad you brought this up. I was also wondering if there were travel or other companies offering a Cream package deal. I hope there will be some information posted in the future. Bluesview From bluesview at comcast.net Sat Jan 8 12:34:42 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Sat Jan 8 12:34:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hotline MP3 server References: <05dc01c4f58b$588fb9d0$9605a8c0@MCSESERVER.NET> Message-ID: <003f01c4f5a8$5658af60$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: slowhand Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Hotline MP3 server Some of you may have noticed the hotline server has been down. I took it down for one primary reason, twice actually, and it is presently down now. Twice someone uploaded trojan horse programs enabling backdoor access to my system. Both times my anti-virus caught it after it had been uploaded and quarantined it, but the first time it ran for awhile allowing someone unauthorized access to my entire business file server. As this is a completely closed FTP site for the use of this list, and the IP, password and user names are only posted here on rare occasions, and emailed privately only to people who email me from this list asking how to access the file server, it had to have come from someone on the slowhand digest. Therefore, until further notice, the server is offline, usernames and passwords have been changed or deleted, and acecss will be severely restricted in the future. I find it appalling that someone from this list would find amusement in uploaded such a thing to the server, given that I set it up using my own resources and shared it with everyone here without charge, and without asking for anything in return. One bad apple..... If anyone is looking for specific songs, shows, etc, email me and maybe we can work something out. Bob Welsh I'm sorry to hear about the insane ignorance of some users on the net. I don't know if there is anything we on the list can do to help, but if there is please let me (us) know what we can do. I've never used the hotline server, so if you need a guinea pig for testing I'd be more than glad to help. Also, at this time I'd like to express my gratitude for the work and resources you've provided us. It greatly appreciated. Bluesview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050108/386e557d/attachment.html From Mowdamowda at hotmail.com Sat Jan 8 17:44:51 2005 From: Mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Sat Jan 8 17:45:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Sheecago Message-ID: >Is it just me or does EC's pronounciation of Chicago on the 'Sweet Home Chicago" grate on anyone else's nerves. Eric - it is >pronounced Shi-KA-go, not SHEE-ka-go. >Dale Hi Dale Speaking of pronunciation of cities, or as the case may be, mispronunciation, which way would you pronounce these Australian cities.......? Brisbane - Bris-BANE or Brisben? Canberra - Can-BAIRRA or Canbera? Melbourne - Mel-BORRN or Melburn? Not that Robert Johnson's songs ever refer to ANYTHING Australian, BUT, on the Library Of Congress 1961 release, 'Juke-Joints Live: Delta Blues Legends - 1938', on the final track where everyone joins in on "I've Been Everywhere Man", Robert Johnson can be clearly heard mispronouncing several Australian towns. Granted he didn't write the song, and he wasn't completely familiar with it, but in my eyes, he is as guilty as Clapton. Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 6/01/2005 From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Jan 8 20:19:39 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Sat Jan 8 20:19:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] BB & AB Message-ID: <010920050119.8498.41E086A8000699D7000021322200762302050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> >> I've been thinking about how to convey this idea since we started talking about the decline or incline of Eric's career the other day. Then I stumbled across this review on amazon.com that expresses it much better than I could've ... Charles "Chuck" Voellinger says of the re-mastered Bluesbreakers album ... "This is the album that started it all ... Quite simply, as far as tone, technique and temperament, Eric Clapton at this time was revolutionary. In the guitar world there are two periods; BB (Before "Bluesbreakers") and AB (After Bluesbreakers"). >> First, tone. NO ONE had this kind of overdriven, aggressive and harmonically rich sound before 1966. Literally, what we associate with rock/blues guitar sound for the last 35 years can be traced back to the tones Clapton was getting in '66. >> Second, technique. Imagine yourself as young person in England at this time and you've discovered the great American blues guitarists like B.B. and Freddie King but figure you will never see them unless you go to America. Then you hear about AN ENGLISHMAN your age who can play that way, plus add something of his own. >> Third, temperament. Eric Clapton was able at young age to both tap into a vastly different world (that of the African-American middle aged bluesman)and supply his own revolutionary ideas about how the electric guitar could be played. Revolutionary is right. People forget about that all the time but in 1966 Clapton changed everything. It is a tribute to his basic sanity after all these years and personal problems that he DIDN'T try and continually live up to that standard. He did other things. >> Most musicians never have the opportunity to revolutionize anything and very very few can do it more than once. Whenever anyone looks disparagingly on Eric Clapton's career, and he had some low points it's true, all I have to say is "Bluesbreakers." << How VERY true indeed! Only one minor problem with this review: the American 2001 Deram (stereo only) remastered release is inferior to the European 1988 Deram remastered (mono & stereo) release, which was also released in Japan, on the Decca label, in 2001. And those two "bonus tracks" had already been remastered on a John Mayall release, so they're not new at all. It was Eric Clapton, not Jimi Hendrix, who truly revolutionized the electric guitar. Virtually ALL the electric guitar played today owes a great debt of gratitude to Eric Clapton. BB, that is, "Before Bluesbreakers," the electric guitar was played entirely differently ... it was a different instrument. Clapton revolutionized the electric guitar before Jimi Hendrix went to England. Next time you hear that Jimi Hendrix totally turned the electric guitar around, smile and say that it was Eric Clapton. Jimi was an original, but he did nothing new after Clapton. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050109/742d7aaa/attachment-0001.html From four61ob at yahoo.com Sat Jan 8 21:27:37 2005 From: four61ob at yahoo.com (ChriSparky) Date: Sat Jan 8 21:27:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RAH link Message-ID: <20050109022737.90423.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> just a WAG but I would bet RAH sell tickets on line...heres the link http://www.royalalberthall.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050108/54c066a7/attachment.html From buddy at bigpond.net.au Sat Jan 8 23:07:40 2005 From: buddy at bigpond.net.au (Jenny Katz) Date: Sat Jan 8 23:06:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream tickets and trips? References: <939E8F80-6192-11D9-A379-003065C7881E@rmi.net> <003601c4f5a7$9ab715d0$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> Message-ID: <003801c4f600$c2eecf80$0100000a@katz> Hi Am thinking about making the trip over from Oz and would love to meet up with other slowhanders. Also looking for best tickets (may as well if I have to make the trip over specially) so anyone who can get prime tickets, please let me know. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "BluesView" To: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [Slowhand] Cream tickets and trips? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Shortridge" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:30 AM > Subject: [Slowhand] Cream tickets and trips? > > >> Hi, >> I'm a lurker on this list, but I think this is one of the first lists I >> ever got on back in the early 90's. I've been wanting for years to go >> to London to see Eric during his >> Royal Albert Hall runs. I just haven't done it. But with Cream playing, >> I think this might be the year. >> >> I'm curious regarding getting tickets. I assume Ticketmaster or some >> such company has web access for tickets when they go on sale, and I can >> get online here in the Colorado mountains and order tickets? What >> exactly is the ticket acquisition process? Also, I think I'd be going >> solo, so are any other fellow slowhanders going that might want to hook >> up for some London sightseeing and dinners before the shows? I'm on the >> Undercover list for the Stones, and when they tour the list members are >> all over it with pre-show parties and get-togethers all over the world. >> I've never really read much on this list regarding those kinds of >> happenings. >> >> I also remember a number of Royal Albert Hall Clapton gigs ago, some >> travel agency that posted on this list regarding >> flights, hotels and ticket packages. I wonder if they still do that? >> >> Thanks, >> John >> >> >> > John, I'm glad you brought this up. I was also wondering if there were > travel or other companies offering a Cream package deal. I hope there will > be some information posted in the future. > > Bluesview > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050109/ea4f7e14/attachment.html From Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz Sun Jan 9 15:21:03 2005 From: Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz (Duncan McKie) Date: Sun Jan 9 15:21:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Set list options Message-ID: The "Slow dance" song I've always wanted to hear live is 'Pretty Girl' One of his best 'non-hits' and to my untrained ears a far better and more romantic song than WT Duncan McKie Desktop Support Infinity Solutions Ltd P O Box 2390, Wellington Ph: +64 4 471 5600, Mob: +64 27 485 3249 Fx: +64 4 472 6796 www.infinitysolutions.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: Scott Wallenberg [mailto:scottw@frazmtn.com] Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2005 9:40 a.m. To: Slowhander Subject: [Slowhand] Set list options If Wonderful Tonight is so hated...why does EC ALWAYS get a huge roar when the opening riff is played? I am as tired of it as everyone else although I must admit when I play it at our band gigs when we need to do a slow dance song it always gets a great reaction. Plus every set needs a spot for a breather...That said What song would you choose for the "slow dance" portion of an EC show? My pick is: Smile Scott The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. From artaarias at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 15:51:50 2005 From: artaarias at yahoo.com (Art Arias) Date: Sun Jan 9 15:51:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream tickets and trips? Message-ID: <20050109205151.46211.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> My experience is the last time EC played the Albert Hall, tickets went on sale through www.bookingsdirect.com, which I've been checking regularly. As far as travel packages that include hotel/ticket packages, I have had good results with www.latestevents.com which will book you a room at an exclusive hotel and got me really decent seats in the stalls. I booked my own flight arrangements from L.A. to London. A member of this list, Camilla, used to run VIP European Trips that used to do it all but I haven't heard of anything from them for awhile. This trip will be a costly one for those traveling from the US this time as the value of 1 pound sterling will cost you 2 american buckeroos! The only good news I heard to offset this weak dollar is the airfare rates being lowered by Delta and American Airlines with others to possibly follow. Art Arias __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Sun Jan 9 18:08:00 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Sun Jan 9 18:08:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tears in Heaven for Tsunami Relief Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF1DE@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Heard on the radio yesterday that Ozzie Osborne and Elton John, among others are doing a take of "Tears in Heaven" as part of a Tsunami Relief Fund. It wasn't mentioned whether Eric would be joining them on the song. I assume it will be done in a "We Are the World" format and be released as a single. It was a surprise to hear Eric mentioned on an alternative rock programme, normally featuring unheard of weirdo bands (e.g. Pressed Rat and Warthog would be a perfect band name to be featured), though often including the ilk of Ozzie Osborne. 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CLAPTON AGREED TO CREAM REUNION OVER AGE CONCERNS Veteran rocker ERIC CLAPTON only agreed to reform supergroup CREAM when he realised it might be the last time the three-piece play together. Guitarist Clapton, bassist JACK BRUCE and drummer GINGER BAKER split up in 1968, but are now reuniting for a series of concerts at London's Royal Albert Hall in May (05). And 59-year-old superstar Clapton wanted to make sure he teamed up with his bandmates one more time, fearing otherwise he'd miss out on the opportunity. He says, "It's something I've been thinking about for a couple of years now. "We're all getting on a bit and I wanted to do it before it was too late and while we still have the energy. "We're not going to do any more than about four shows, but it will be a great thing just to see if we've got it in us to get back to where we were." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <010801c4f705$19297120$2324ff3e@MAIN> I got my tickets for 'Live Aid II', I just can't believe that EC is playing here in Wales at last! Despite several venues big enough for him, he has ignored us here in the Principality for, as far as I'm aware, the last 40 years, meaning for us Welsh fans a minimum seven hour round trip to London or Birmingham to see him. I just hope that he takes a shine to the millenium stadium and returns here in future for his own gigs. Now I wonder, will Eric bring a full band with him, or will he fall in with Jools's Rhythm & Blues Orchestra as in the hootenanny? Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Handy Blues >Awards in Memphis, TN -- where the blues met the beat and gave birth to >rock and roll. This package includes admission to the WC Handy Awards, >three nights deluxe accommodation, membership to the Blues Foundation, >admission to Sun Studios and Rock and Soul Museum and some of that old >time religion courtesy of the Rev. Al Green. Trip dates are May 5 - 8, >2005 and full details are at http://adventuresinrock.com/wchandy.html > >A trip down the red carpet for the glamorous GRAMMY weekend in Los >Angeles, CA featuring a star studded evening at the MusiCares Person of >the Year tribute in honor of the legendary Brian Wilson. The evening >features dinner, a silent auction and a concert featuring a stellar >roster of Grammy caliber artists (we can't reveal their names just yet) >paying tribute to Brian Wilson and his music. We love the MusiCares >event for it's intimacy and it's talent quotient. We think you'll love >Southern California in February so why not stay the whole weekend? >There is so much going on, from secret concerts, to glamorous parties, >all cumulating in one big award ceremony. Please call us for full >details. GRAMMY weekend is February 11th to 13th, 2005 > >So pack your dancing shoes and party clothes - surely one of these >adventures will burn off those holiday calories! > >All the best, > >Pamela & Karen >http://adventuresinrock.com >877-788-ROCK > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050110/bc0eafbe/attachment.html From bluesview at comcast.net Mon Jan 10 09:01:42 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Mon Jan 10 09:01:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric to play in Wales! 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A couple of days ago I posted the following: Is it just me or does EC's pronunciation of Chicago on the 'Sweet Home Chicago" grate on anyone else's nerves. Eric - it is pronounced Shi-KA-go, not SHEE-ka-go. To which Sam posted this response criticism of EC has now hit an all-time low...... I just thought it odd that EC, who has obviously visited Chicago many times and has stated that it is his "spiritual home" should record the song with such a perverse pronunciation. I have been meaning to dig out my Robert Johnson recordings to see if this is an affectation to mimic the RJ version or just EC's unusual way of singing the city's name. A quick listen to the snippet available on the Amazon site leads me to believe this is of Eric's creation. (Roberts Johnson's pronunciation of California on the original, however, is even more unusual.) Not realizing that EC's elocution was off limits, I simply posted this to the Digest for discussion. Mea Culpa. Should he record other tunes with city names, I swear I will not comment. For example, were he to cover Ian Hunter's "Cleveland Rocks" and pronounce it "Klev-Land", "Kleevy-land", or even "Mistake by the Lake", you have my assurances that I shall remain silent. I know that it is acceptable to post about Eric's mathematical skills (Is it 2 and 2 is 4 or 2 and 4 is *?), so I will limit future discussion to geometry, trigonometry, algebra, and calculus. I believe any discussion of differential equations, however, should be restricted to more mature audiences. For future reference, are the physical and biological sciences, literature, and economics acceptable topics? Having got that off my chest, the Digest can now return to more pressing and important matters such as how one might go about getting a Ginger Baker on a stick for the upcoming Cream reunion shows. Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dragging the Digest Down (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > From matthewbrown at cattles.co.uk Mon Jan 10 09:38:33 2005 From: matthewbrown at cattles.co.uk (Matthew Brown) Date: Mon Jan 10 09:38:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] help References: <20050110142854.EC41B8CCFA@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <004a01c4f722$0f578840$673cbf0a@cattlespy8vdco> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 24 > Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. two little bits of news (simon george) > 2. FW: Royalty of the Blues, GRAMMY Glamor, & Cream TIX (Janet Ward) > 3. Re: Eric to play in Wales! (BluesView) > 4. Dragging the Digest Down (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 10:10:28 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Mon Jan 10 10:10:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pronunciation Guide Message-ID: <20050110151028.97013.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> It's fair to say that there are various "rules" of pronunciation for local areas, many of which are less than intuitive. With that said, EC *did* get the pronunciation of "Norfolk" (as in Norfolk, Virginia) correct in his rendition of Johnson's "Four Until Late". Pretty good that an englishman can do so, when Yankees absolutely insist on pronouncing it "Nore-Folk", with a gap between the syllables large enough to drive a truck through. When trying to correct the pronunciation of this city name to my northern bred friends, the best way I've found was to relate the cadence used by cheerleaders from that city during football games: "We Don't Drink We Don't Dance Norfolk, Norfolk". Perhaps if the folks from Sheecago came up with something similar as a marketing campaign, it would help people remember the correct pronunciation ;) AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 10:24:01 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Mon Jan 10 10:24:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Unsubscribe Message-ID: <20050110152401.62482.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> First off, quoting large useless large chunks of the previous digest is not an effective unsubscription method. Now, for help with unsubsciption, here is a guide I have compiled over the years with the help of several other Slowhanders who shall remain anonymous: First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large "X" outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one inch below the connection point until you feel it lock. The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated by the small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring back to itsinitial condition, so that the two orange lines meet. Disconnect. Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear. Activate by pressing the blue button. The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. The red release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can be adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release button. The opening is self- adjusting. To secure after use, press the green button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns the Cin-Eliminator to its storage position. You may log off if the green exit light is on over the evaporator. If the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin-Eliminator requirements has not been properly implemented. Press the "List Guy" call button on the right of the evaporator . He will secure all facilities from his control panel. To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your clothes in the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with you. On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe normally. The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release button. The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in their container. If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low, medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested. After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If during the unsubscribing operation, you wish to change the settings, place the "manual off" override switch in the "OFF" position. You may now make the change and repeat the cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off and have lunch. Please close the door behind you. If this fails to work, you could of course simply follow the INSTRUCTIONS printed at the BEGINNING OF EACH DIGEST which tell you how to UNSUBSCRIBE. Hope this helps, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Mon Jan 10 11:58:22 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Mon Jan 10 11:46:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] dale's diatribe Message-ID: <082801c4f735$98a8c060$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> 1. EC's pronunciation and math skills hold no interest to me. 2. my wry comment about your post was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek. it just seems that the latest digests have been SO critical lately (not that there is anything wrong with valid criticism - trust me, no one here wants a cheerleading forum, either), and i found it pretty amusing to critique EC on something so miniscule as his pronunciation. it sure isnt a topic like "fender vs gibson", that's for sure. 3. I have always enjoyed your contributions and didnt mean to offend you. If you need a ginger head on a stick, though, you are on your own! regards, sambo8 From Dale.Kalina at rrd.com Mon Jan 10 13:18:04 2005 From: Dale.Kalina at rrd.com (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) Date: Mon Jan 10 13:18:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re; Dale's Diatribe Message-ID: With all due respect, I very much disagree that my last post constitutes a 'diatribe', i.e., "a bitter, abusive denunciation", "a thunderous verbal attack" or " a prolonged or exhaustive discussion; especially, an acrimonious or invective harangue; a strain of abusive or railing language; a philippic." Heck, I don't even know what half of these words mean! I also didn't realize that Sam's post was tongue in cheek - where mine was obviously intended to verbally attack, in a most bombastic declamation, using abusive and/or venomous language to express blame for the depths to which the Digest has been taken and to convey my bitter, deep-seated ill will towards all those who disagree with me. If this was a harangue, then call me a harrangueoutang. With respect to the Ginger on a stick, at the Taste of Sheegaco, they sell pickles on a stick. When I go to a sushi bar, I really enjoy the pickled ginger (or gari) that is served with the sushi. If you can come up with pickled ginger on a stick - with a side of wasabi - I think you may really be on to something. :) (See - all meant in good fun.) Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050110/37b8d23b/attachment.html From john at Infra.be Mon Jan 10 13:44:52 2005 From: john at Infra.be (John Lesage) Date: Mon Jan 10 13:35:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <340475CD08DE264D80FB7CDF2C65905F1678A7@sbs2003srv.Infra.local> to cheryl. I received everything in good order. your mail does not seems to work. Regards, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050110/4f004518/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Mon Jan 10 16:49:51 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 10 16:50:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric to play in Wales! Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF200@sunwex01.arivia.kom> If Eric has a full set, he could bring along his sometime local (to the UK) band, i.e. Gary Brooker and old Andy, etc. Seems like he did not do a New Year's gig with them this change of the year and was only on hand for part of the time at the No Stilletto Shoes charity show on 18 Dec. The Beyond the Pale (http://www.procolharum.com/gb_concerts.htm) website has been unusually quite. Do you think someone asked them to lay off reporting on and photographing Eric this time around? They have some great pictures and reports from years gone by. Kevin _____ From: simon george [mailto:simon.george5@ntlworld.com] Sent: 10 January 2005 13:11 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Eric to play in Wales! >>>>> Now I wonder, will Eric bring a full band with him, or will he fall in with Jools's Rhythm & Blues Orchestra as in the hootenanny? Simon NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As the train was colliding into the Chicago station, a man on the train, played by actor/jazzman Scatman Crothers said, "Hello, Shee-ca-go." (Indiana born, Scatman Crothers was a regular on the Chicago Loop in the 1940s playing with Dizzie Gillespie and Charlie Parker.) I googled it, and "sheecago" did pop up in reference to Chicago a few times. susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050110/95f3cb29/attachment.html From Dale.Kalina at rrd.com Mon Jan 10 18:43:33 2005 From: Dale.Kalina at rrd.com (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) Date: Mon Jan 10 19:06:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beating a Dead Horse Message-ID: My final thoughts on the pronunciation thing. Where is Henry Higgins when you really need him? I looked up "Chicago" on dictionary.com and in my American Heritage dictionary. Dictionary .com shows two pronunciations, both with the emphasis on the second syllable and both (to my ear at least) that sound the same: ch is pronounced as in ship or dish i as in pit c as in kick , cat or pique a as in father or, alternatively, as in caught, paw, for, horrid or hoarse g as in gag o as in toe Per the American Heritage, the first two pronunciations are similar, although the "i" is more of an "uh" sound: ch is pronounced as in ship or dish i as in about or the e in item c as in kick a as in father or, alternatively, as in care g as in gag o as in toe The third pronunciation is the same except for the final vowel sound: o as the a in about or the e in item This last pronunciation as "Chicaguh is commonly associated "wit da sout side" and the city's beloved mayor Daleys (father and son). None of these pronunciations has the i sounded as an e in bee or has the emphasis on the first syllable as in SHEE- ka-go. Here endeth the lesson (and hopefully, the discussion). Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050110/a83844fe/attachment-0001.html From peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 19:29:44 2005 From: peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com (An English Boy) Date: Mon Jan 10 19:30:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Those were The Days In-Reply-To: <20050111000629.3E2F38C9B8@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Ah, The Good Old Days! I have come from being, over the past 9 years, a daily poster to the Slowhand list and one of the first to offer trades (back in the cassette days no less, 'member them?) to one who is totally disillusioned with what I consider to be a complete vacuum. Is there any life here anymore? Even my old one time nemisis-turned pal, DeltaNick seems to have, like Elvis,"............left the building." Gary Shaw....wherefore art thou? Edson? Anyone remember Edson from Brazil? Lil' Ed was inflicted with ALS and became unable to use the internet any longer, yet we kept in touch by telephone even after he could no longer speak, and his children translated my words for he and I. Anyone know if Edson is OK? My emails do not get return as undeliverable nor replied to. Denis? I see you peek through the mire on ocassion. Sorry to offend the delicate of heart, but this substance void abyss is really boring. With any luck, the Cream dates and subsequently released (officially and otherwise) recordings of same with generate some substance filed dialog......one can only hope. Lew Campbell Sebastopol CA "I'm not talking 'bout the shape I'm in I can't sing I ain't pretty And my legs are thin. But don't ask me what I think of you I might not give the answer that you want me to.......Oh Well." ~Peter Greenbaum 1969 From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 10 20:00:25 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 10 20:00:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hendrix and EC References: Message-ID: <003601c4f778$f6c8d6b0$b78b29d8@Kelly> I wrote a paper for my college writing class that was meant to be argumentative. Not argumentative in the sense that we must argue, but that you have to use facts to tell why you are right. My argument was that Eric is the best guitarist ever, so my basic comparison was EC against Hendrix considering so many think Hendrix is the best. I made sure to mention that it's all subjective, but here is just the ending of my paper. Also, I must say I agree about EC being the innovator. I don't see how anyone couldn't see that. Well, actually I can. That comes with part of my paper. ----------------------- "...Clapton was a big influence on Hendrix through his tone, his style, his Marshall amps, and the wah-wah pedal. And even though best guitarist is subjective one can tell Clapton's riffs are usually harder to play than Hendrix's riffs and solos. Hendrix also doesn't have a serious advantage over Clapton in any area of playing except he's willing to be more adventurous, which can be seen as self-indulgent. When truly trying to dissect these two it's easy to see that Hendrix's premature death is a big reason as to why he's seen the way he is. I'm willing to bet that if, God forbid, Clapton passed away in 1970 due to his heroin addiction, and after releasing Layla and other Assorted Love Songs, he would be seen as the unsurpassable guitar hero. There would be no argument, except by a few, that Hendrix is better. The reason for this is because Hendrix passed away at his height. Today, he might be better than he was then, or he could be worse, but he would surely be trying out different styles or he wouldn't stay fresh. This is what Clapton has done, and he doesn't have the advantage of having fondness of memories because he's still playing, still keeping it fresh, and still being inventive. The playing, not the death, speaks for itself, and proves that overall Clapton is better than Hendrix. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Hendrix same the same thing then or now if he was alive. After all, he wasn't even going to go to England to form the Jimi Hendrix Experience unless he was promised that he could meet Clapton. That reverence Hendrix had, and always had, for Clapton says something on its own..." -------------------- Kelly ------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Cobhome@aol.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:31 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Hendrix and EC I am always amazed at how successful the managers of Hendirx's estate have been at creating this image of Hendrix as the ultimate innovator etc - to the point where he now owns the number one spot on any guitar player poll - Nick is so correct - in that - Hendrix was inspired by EC - if Stigwood had released Disraeli Gears a little faster - things would be different! Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As far as travel packages that include hotel/ticket packages, I have had good results with www.latestevents.com which will book you a room at an exclusive hotel and got me really decent seats in the stalls. I booked my own flight arrangements from L.A. to London. A member of this list, Camilla, used to run VIP European Trips that used to do it all but I haven't heard of anything from them for awhile. This trip will be a costly one for those traveling from the US this time as the value of 1 pound sterling will cost you 2 american buckeroos! The only good news I heard to offset this weak dollar is the airfare rates being lowered by Delta and American Airlines with others to possibly follow. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If Eric has a full set, he could bring along his sometime local (to the UK) band, i.e. Gary Brooker and old Andy, etc. Seems like he did not do a New Year's gig with them this change of the year and was only on hand for part of the time at the No Stilletto Shoes charity show on 18 Dec. The Beyond the Pale (http://www.procolharum.com/gb_concerts.htm) website has been unusually quite. Do you think someone asked them to lay off reporting on and photographing Eric this time around? They have some great pictures and reports from years gone by. Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: simon george [mailto:simon.george5@ntlworld.com] Sent: 10 January 2005 13:11 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Eric to play in Wales! >>>>> Now I wonder, will Eric bring a full band with him, or will he fall in with Jools's Rhythm & Blues Orchestra as in the hootenanny? Simon NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050111/bd8bc405/attachment-0001.html From backlezz at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 09:39:17 2005 From: backlezz at hotmail.com (K S) Date: Tue Jan 11 09:40:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Benefit concert, looking for a show, cream etc Message-ID: Hello, The Band Aid II concert is hot stuff in the music press. "Clapton to headline..." stories at both billboard.com and rollingstone.com. The organizers are very happy with the ticket sales. Over 40.000 tickets have been sold. I've searched for a good copy of the Hamburg show from the last tour (April, 2004), but I haven't found one. If one kind soul has a copy and wants to do a trade, I'll be very happy! It was a wonderful show. You can contact me privately at backlezz@hotmail.com. Is it me, or has the open sharing of shows here at the Digest been dramatically reduced since we had the famous CD-burner-science-debate in 2004? At the Royal Albert Hall Event Calendar it looks like the dates 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 May is unoccupied, but that month seems fairly buissy from the 6th and onwards. Eric, Jack and Ginger are probably rehearsing now... I wonder what it sounds like... Have a good day _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger http://www.msn.no/computing/messenger - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 09:45:51 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Tue Jan 11 09:45:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Good Old Days Message-ID: <20050111144551.28748.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> them?) to one who is totally disillusioned with what I consider to be a complete vacuum. Is there any life here anymore? ------ [AG] Yes, much of it is underground. It's a quiet time anyway - between concerts, etc. But as someone who has been on mailing lists and discussion groups far longer than most (November 1981, on a screaming 300 baud modem), it's part of the life cycle of list members - they tune in, they participate, they move to lurk mode and get quiet. Sometimes, they drop out, maybe not because of boredom but because sometimes life throws you a curveball and you have to rearrange priorities. ------- Even my old one time nemisis-turned pal, DeltaNick seems to have, like Elvis,"............left the building." ------- [AG] Nick has moved recently and I think is near suicidal at the lack of high speed internet access at his new digs. I think having to participate via dialup like the rest of us mere mortals has sapped his will to live. But never fear, he will be back in full force once things are settled. -------- Gary Shaw....wherefore art thou? -------- [AG] Gary's fine, he no longer subs. --------- Denis? I see you peek through the mire on ocassion. --------- [AG] The French Henchman? Is he still around? Who was the azzhole who threatned to kick his butt? It's always amusing to me when some idiot gets so upset over a comment on a freakin' mailing list to the degree he decides to threaten people. That was a scream. -------- Sorry to offend the delicate of heart, but this substance void abyss is really boring. --------- [AG] Mailing lists are what you make them - come up with a topic of interest to the group, and you'll see things liven up. Cheers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 11:32:23 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Tue Jan 11 11:33:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC/Hendrix topic In-Reply-To: <20050111000629.3E2F38C9B8@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Seems this topic has come up again, and I think the notion of who influenced who can be rather subjective, but in this case, Clapton's influence over guitar playing in general is second to none. Hendrix was an original, no one could copy his "showmanship" or the way he melded his own style out of sloppy guitar playing and an extremely potent libido while on stage. Clapton it's been said is a guitar players guitar player. This is so. He's been put down and lessened only becuase he didn't light guitars on fire and pranced around on stage.. But listen to the music and judge for yourself. Hendrix as a guitarist in the studio never came close to the Bluesbreaker Clapton and even live, Hendrix was a 50/50 shot at blowing your mind musically, when he wasn't stoned or out of it. I've listened to every Hendrix live official recording and even some boots, some of the music is awe-inspiring noodling, but rest of it is meandering. I'll take even BLueswailing over the best Hendrix show. From rhendriksen63 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 14:19:24 2005 From: rhendriksen63 at hotmail.com (Roel Hendriksen) Date: Tue Jan 11 14:20:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Those were the days In-Reply-To: <20050111131347.44CAF8C8CF@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Hey there Lew, >Edson? Anyone remember Edson from Brazil? Lil' Ed was inflicted with >ALS and became unable to use the internet any longer, yet we kept in >touch by telephone even after he could no longer speak, and his children >translated my words for he and I. Anyone know if Edson is OK? My emails >do not get return as undeliverable nor replied to. I will never ever forget Edson. I have to say though that I haven't heard from him since, I think, 2001... And yes, I too am still here, from the day that you were called "The Powerchord". 'Member? Greetz, Roel From scottw at frazmtn.com Tue Jan 11 17:50:14 2005 From: scottw at frazmtn.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Tue Jan 11 17:48:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream rehearsing in Jan for a May gig? Message-ID: <02ae01c4f82f$edd04fe0$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> I doubt it.... EC is probably getting Live Aid II dialed in. I'd say 2 months of rehearsing MAX. It would be fun to listen in on it. Conversations like Jack saying to Eric "Turn down that Marshall...I can't hear a thing!" Scott From Cobhome at aol.com Tue Jan 11 18:52:23 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 11 18:52:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] More EC News Message-ID: <1c8.228fb461.2f15c0b7@aol.com> I get the impression EC has been - like most of us - affected by the suffering of those in Asia - he will be appearing in a telethon on January 15th 8pm - NBC I think - along with a host of other famous American rockers including as I recall - Madonna and Shryl Crow Tim McGraw too I think - Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050111/e74cba6b/attachment.html From wokingham22 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 12 07:30:08 2005 From: wokingham22 at yahoo.co.uk (gary holderness) Date: Wed Jan 12 07:30:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking new years eve bash 2004 Message-ID: <20050112123008.18514.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Folks, Here's the info on the show... Eric Clapton Andy Fairweather Low Gary Brooker Chris Stainton Dave Bronze Henry Spinetti Ringo Starr Knock on wood Reconsider baby Home loving Blueberry hill Love her with a feeling Sweet little rock and roller If paradise is half as nice Got my mojo working Hoochie coochie man What I'd say Lay My Burden Down / Will The Circle Be Unbroken / What a Friend We Have in Jesus Whole lotta shaking goin' on A little help from my friends Honey don't Boys Stormy monday I hear you knocking Come together Old black Joe Gin house Willie and the hand jive Five long years Whiter shade of pale Cocaine Little Queenie I do have this show on 2CD's of which I'll distribute with the Hootenanny DVD - watch this space !!! Cheers, Gary ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From DLeblanc3 at purolator.com Wed Jan 12 09:18:22 2005 From: DLeblanc3 at purolator.com (Leblanc, Denis (CGI)) Date: Wed Jan 12 09:18:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re-Those Were The Days Message-ID: Hey Lew & all: Yass, I'm still here. Haven't had much to say, didn't want to get into post whoring (grin). I've had 3 home pc's crash the past 2 yrs, lost a ton of data including email addies & have become limited to keeping up at work. Real life keeps me busy. Got the Sessions for Robert J set and think the world of it. Looking forward to the Cream reunion, not expecting miracles but hoping for some golden liquid leads from EC. Recently listened to Beano and Bluesbreaking (what a surprise), and what hits me is not just E's sound or volume, but the leads themselves: he keeps going and you think he's gonna fail but he simply plays another lick...it's like a good story. But playing in my car today is August...my favorite EC solo studio album! ('tis a guilty pleasure sez he to shouts of "heretic" haha). peeking thru the mire, Denis dleblanc3@purolator.com (P.S. Tony D, Yo Doris - drop me a line!) From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Jan 12 12:31:08 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Jan 12 12:31:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking new years eve bash 2004 Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF26E@sunwex01.arivia.kom> I have been informed that the band was known as the Trusted Servants this year. LOOK: No "Wonderful Tonight". Surprise, surprise!!! AND: "Willie and the Hand Jive" made a comeback. Great!!! My all time favourite funky Clapton song. Hope it appears again in his normal shows in future. Perhaps Cream can do a take on it as well, later this year...but I'll leave it to Eric and his peers to decide. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: gary holderness [mailto:wokingham22@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 12 January 2005 14:30 <> Knock on wood Reconsider baby Home loving Blueberry hill Love her with a feeling Sweet little rock and roller If paradise is half as nice Got my mojo working Hoochie coochie man What I'd say Lay My Burden Down / Will The Circle Be Unbroken / What a Friend We Have in Jesus Whole lotta shaking goin' on A little help from my friends Honey don't Boys Stormy monday I hear you knocking Come together Old black Joe Gin house Willie and the hand jive Five long years Whiter shade of pale Cocaine Little Queenie <> Gary ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From backlezz at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 15:24:58 2005 From: backlezz at hotmail.com (K S) Date: Wed Jan 12 15:25:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Rehearsing in Jan for a May gig? Message-ID: Scott wrote "Cream rehearsing in Jan for a May gig? I doubt it.... EC is probably getting Live Aid II dialed in" Well, I agree in the way that EC is probably concentrating on the Cardiff gig right now. But the previous reports on the Cream reunion said that rehearsals would begin in "the first of the year". That could be January is far as I'm concerned. And I wouldn't be surprised if EC want a little bit of rehearsal with the two of them before everything is settled and the tickets go on sale. And that is said to be quite soon. Cheers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com Med markedets beste SPAM-filter. Gratis! From dzorn at snet.net Wed Jan 12 18:59:04 2005 From: dzorn at snet.net (Dawn Zorn) Date: Wed Jan 12 18:59:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] More News about E.C. on Telethon Message-ID: <20050112235904.3328.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> I just heard on the radio here in Connecticut today that Clapton will be performing with Roger Waters the Song "Wish You Were Here". On Saturday's Telethon for Asian Releaf on NBC and most networks at 8:00PM. Sound Great!! :) ****Dawn**** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 12:17:20 2005 From: peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com (An English Boy) Date: Thu Jan 13 12:18:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Willie and the Hand Jive" In-Reply-To: <20050113170002.6F4EE8D1A7@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: From: Kevin Wilson To: "Slowhand Digest" Subject: RE: [Slowhand] Woking new years eve bash 2004 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:31 AM I have been informed that the band was known as the Trusted Servants this year. LOOK: No "Wonderful Tonight". Surprise, surprise!!! AND: "Willie and the Hand Jive" made a comeback. Great!!! My all time favourite funky Clapton song. Hope it appears again in his normal shows in future. Perhaps Cream can do a take on it as well, later this year...but I'll leave it to Eric and his peers to decide. Kevin ==== GOD PH*&%ING FORBID that Cream would ever consider this horrid, meaninless, directionless, pointless, substance void FLUFF. Johnny Otis, whom I am acquainted with is an elitist d*&%head, and the thought of Cream or Clapton wasting precious time on this....with such a motherlode of quality material, old and new to draw from......well....strike me dead first..... PLEASE! Lew Campbell Sebastopol CA ~S.W.L.A.B.R. From ijwthstd at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 15:31:58 2005 From: ijwthstd at yahoo.com (ijwthstd) Date: Thu Jan 13 15:32:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Rehearsing in Jan for a May gig? In-Reply-To: <20050113170004.3024D8D51F@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050113203158.9957.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Maybe they just got together and played a bit to see if it would work. I doubt they even need 2 months. Something tells me this would sound a whole lot better the less they rehearse. Like 2 weeks tops. If it comes across as polished as the last several Clapton tours, then I don't really think it would be worth the trouble. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Paulezyrider at aol.com Thu Jan 13 16:01:08 2005 From: Paulezyrider at aol.com (Paulezyrider@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 13 16:01:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 Message-ID: <6.3c704853.2f183b94@aol.com> Hi From Liverpool (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSXXXXXX41GB) Hi From Liverpool (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSXXXXXX41GB) .....is there a free system for dowmloading your mime file ? paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050113/1c5c3034/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Thu Jan 13 19:38:13 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 13 19:38:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Harsh Article re: EC Message-ID: <146.3c5430df.2f186e75@aol.com> This article appeared in the London News Review - it is rather harsh - but I thought it was worthwhile to share it. January 13, 2005 I don?t think there?s an artist of Eric Clapton?s stature (and we?re talking about someone who's jostling around at the Jimmy Page, Stevie Wonder level of things) who has urinated so ruinously over his own legacy. Why is it that David Bowie can spend decades releasing tosh, with seemingly no effect on our estimation of his ?great works?, and yet Eric Clapton seemingly has the power to do things which make us despise the whole creature. We could easily have forgiven him for getting tangled up with Phil Collins in the mid-1980s (that whole the August / Behind the Mask no-jacket-requiredy era) but it was when he started ?doing the blues? again that it all started to stink. I remember hearing one of his Royal Albert Hall blues get-togethers on Radio 2 (I think). It was the 1990 one, which had Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy, Robert Cray and Jimmy Vaughn on guitar (how many cooks do you need to spoil the blues?) and Phil Collins on tambourine. I seem to remember Buddy Guy?s string breaking and hitting him in the face (?) and Robert Cray having to take over his solo. Which was fun. But more to the point I remember thinking: oh Christ ? this is terrible. It was a yukky mush of ?blues?, and even Buddy Guy came out stinking. Clapton started doing these Albert Hall gigs in 1987, and I think it?s reasonable to identify this as the point where his disauthentication process hit 11 on the amp.* Clapton?s legacy problem is precisely his relationship with blues music. He did some extraordinary things with a guitar, but however far he pushed the envelope the colour of that envelope was forever blue. And none the worse for it. But when listening to Clapton, there is the curious need to feel that he is in some sense being ?authentic? ? which is hardly problem when you?re listening to Cream ? but turns into a big problem when he self-consciously became ?a bluesman?. Then it all went wrong. Really wrong: Clapton?s inauthenticity is like a tractor beam of badness, and even BB King can?t escape. But more to the point: Clapton?s own past can?t even escape. This is the tragedy. Everything that is wrong about Eric Clapton c.2005 is summed up in this sentence from the news section of his official website: > Live, intimate, and raw, Sessions For Robert J is the essential audio/video > companion to Eric Clapton's 2004 gold, Top 10 Me And Mr. Johnson, tribute to > blues legend Robert Johnson. Now, I don?t care who you are, don?t call Robert Johnson ?Robert J?. I feel like I need to wash my hands after typing those words. ?Robert J? is as bad as ?Team GB?. It?s like a New Labour branding exercise. Just horrible.** We've often discussed on the LNR this problem of how one relates to the creative / intellectual output of someone who is morally distasteful, but it is easier to love the music of a reprobate than to love the music of a fake. The relationship between, say, Pete Townshend's morals and his music is actually less problematic than Clapton's relationship with his back catalogue because Townshend's awfulness doesn't make us feel like we're being "tricked" when we listen to Magic Bus. Whereas our distrust of Clapton has everything to do with our distrust of the complex emotional psycho-physical process whereby his fingers move, his eyes scrunch up, and his guitar wails. Every note that Clapton plays under the banner of "I got the blues" sounds like Gerald Ratner has written it. And because we can't trust him now, why trust the Clapton of old? He's the same person, isn't he...? But the solution to the Clapton problem lies precisely here: no, he isn't the same person. No more than the Woody Allen who is making Match Point (God save us all) is the same person as the Woody Allen who made Bananas. It's interesting to wonder how we'd regard Eric Clapton's legacy if he'd died in 1973, on stage, as the last notes of the Rainbow Concert faded way.*** But the thing is: he did. Like all of us, he died every day. Let him rest in peace. ? *I always find it weird to think that someone who could record such an astonishing album as Derek & The Dominos Live At The Fillmore, 1970, has legacy problems... but there it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050113/a513ac53/attachment.html From dzorn at snet.net Fri Jan 14 06:01:46 2005 From: dzorn at snet.net (Dawn Zorn) Date: Fri Jan 14 06:01:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] More E.C. Info On Telethon Message-ID: <20050114110146.77640.qmail@web81003.mail.yahoo.com> I read that Roger Waters and Eric Clapton's performance of "Wish You Were Here" will be a Pre-Taped Video for the Telethon on Saturday. That's how the radio stations knew what song they'll perform. So, Clapton is still in England getting ready for the Tsunami Relief Concert (Live Aid II) in Wales on Jan. 22nd. ****Dawn**** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/e4b50aa6/attachment.html From crocketo at tele2adsl.dk Fri Jan 14 09:16:39 2005 From: crocketo at tele2adsl.dk (Kristian Frellsen) Date: Fri Jan 14 09:18:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Telethon and Cardif Tsunami aid concert Message-ID: Hi SD's. I tried posting the twice yesterday, but my mails didn't get through. Anyways, I 've got a couple of questions some of you maybe can help me with. Anyone recording the song(s) EC gonna perform tomorrow at the telethon, for later download? Does anyone know if the Tsunami aid concert's gonna be webcasted or otherwise broadcasted? (if not, anyone recording :-) ). Thanks in advance /Kristian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/add14be5/attachment-0001.html From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 10:06:39 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Jan 14 10:06:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fatwa And Other Thoughts Message-ID: <002401c4fa4a$a7bea6b0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Friends, Romans, and Slowhand Digest subscribers, Just this week, we've seen several critiques of Eric Clapton's latest efforts here in the Slowhand Digest -- in The Riverfront Times, London News Review, and other critiques -- and not just MY opinions. Although I do not agree with everything written in the articles, they illustrate that the sentiment I expressed is widespread among a number of EC fans who've followed his career since its beginning in the 1960s. Although some think he's doing his best ever, and some do not like reading anything remotely negative about EC, many others -- myself included -- disagree and believe that Clapton is flying on auto-pilot in comparison to his early career. Eric Clapton has been quite busy lately, and he should be commended for the extent of his widespread touring (those in Australia would probably disagree), and for assisting others, such as tomorrow night's telethon for relief of tsunami victims. That being said, I'm not sure everyone understands that quantity does not necessarily equal quality. There have been some recent exceptions to what I believe is Clapton's less-than-stellar level of performance of recent years. Examples that come immediately to mind: the White House performances for Christmas 1998 and the stunning acoustic "Ramblin' On My Mind" at the White House in October 1999, both shown on VH1 TV. I believe that Clapton still has the talent, as he put forth in these performances. However, most of today's performances, to me, seem near-perfect from a mechanical standpoint, but something special from Clapton's early years is missing: I believe that the liquid passion Clapton once expressed so freely is nowadays kept inside. I think he doesn't want to let it out, he's today too reserved, yet this is precisely what made Eric Clapton such a great musician. How can the passion that a performer expressed so freely in the past just vanish? I don't think so. Clapton, with his guitar solos, used to suck you through the walls, and make you soar among the clouds. And all of a sudden this passion is gone? I don't believe it for a moment, but instead believe that it's bottled up inside, waiting for someone to rub the lamp, so the Genie can come out. Every once in a while, we see a puff of it, like a ghost, but then it goes back inside. Yes, I know that every night cannot be the best. But why are such a low percentage of performances "the best," when Clapton wowed people with his playing nearly every night while with the Yardbirds, Mayall, Cream, and Blind Faith? Editor Dave Hillman recently posted an article about the effect of the "Blues Breakers" album (remember BB and AB: "Before Bluesbreakers" and "After Bluesbreakers"?), which illustrates Clapton's then-electrifying, shot-heard-round-the-world impact on audiences and musicians alike. Nowadays, such brilliant performances seem to be the exception rather than the rule. Why do so many, as in the articles mentioned, praise Clapton for brilliant musicianship in his early career, and criticize him for what they believe is a less-than-stellar, too-comfortable level of recent performance? When I was a child in grade school earning "B" and "C" grades, I was told that I could do so much better, that I wasn't trying hard enough. Those who said so -- parents, teachers, and fellow students -- were 100% correct. I believe the same to be the case with Clapton's efforts today. Again, I believe that EC can do so much better, that he has not been giving us his best of late. I think he's keeping his passion bottled up inside. One more thing: Clapton is my favorite artist. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/6bb17394/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 10:38:38 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Jan 14 10:38:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Question Message-ID: <004601c4fa4f$1f9f7200$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Regarding tomorrow night's Tsunami relief telethon, wher will the performances take place? Where will EC perform? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/5cd88bcc/attachment.html From boultonaj at hotmail.com Fri Jan 14 11:22:27 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Fri Jan 14 11:23:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Harsh Article re: EC Message-ID: The writer of this article for LNR needs to subscribe to this website for Grumpy Old Men. He would fit in admirably. http://www.grumpieroldmen.co.uk/ I cannot comment further, I am too busy trying to keep calm. Tony From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 11:36:29 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Jan 14 11:36:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Harsh Article re: EC Message-ID: <012e01c4fa57$344df700$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> The writer of this article for LNR needs to subscribe to this website for >> Grumpy Old Men. He would fit in admirably. http://www.grumpieroldmen.co.uk/ << Must be a British thing. We rid ourselves of Grumpy Old Men in 1775-1781 on this side of the pond. Then we invented the blues and rock'n'roll. That's about as "UN-Grumpy Old Men" as you can get. DeltaNick :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/c4811482/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 11:45:02 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Jan 14 11:45:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Ouch!!! Message-ID: <014a01c4fa58$66a4f810$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I don't think there's an artist of Eric Clapton's stature (and we're >> talking about someone who's jostling around at the Jimmy Page, Stevie >> Wonder level of things ...) << Wow! What an insult, comparing Clapton to Jimmy Page. As much as I've criticized Clapton, I will not stoop to dropping my opinion of him THAT far. I consider this worse criticism than anything I've ever written about him. That's REALLY low! DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/34fbe0a3/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 14 12:04:45 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Fri Jan 14 12:05:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Ouch!! In-Reply-To: <20050114170003.578108C1F0@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: It's not even a comparison as Page has been relatively out of sight for the past 4-5 years, working on the Led Zeppelin Live DVD and other charitable things with his brazilian wife. Eric, while we may disagree about the artistic merits of his work, has been busy recording albums and performing live all over the world. I won't even touch DN's inferences about disliking Page, don't be a hater DN!! At least Page plays nothing but a Gibson, maybe there is some common ground there... lol. AAP From: DeltaNick To: "Slowhand Digest" Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Ouch!!! Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:45 AM >>I don't think there's an artist of Eric Clapton's stature (and we're >>talking about someone who's jostling around at the Jimmy Page, Stevie >>Wonder level of things ...) << Wow! What an insult, comparing Clapton to Jimmy Page. As much as I've criticized Clapton, I will not stoop to dropping my opinion of him THAT far. I consider this worse criticism than anything I've ever written about him. That's REALLY low! DeltaNick ----Original Message Follows---- From: slowhand-request@planet-torque.com Reply-To: slowhand@planet-torque.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 32 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:00:03 -0500 (EST) Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to slowhand@planet-torque.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to slowhand-request@planet-torque.com You can reach the person managing the list at slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fatwa And Other Thoughts (DeltaNick) 2. Question (DeltaNick) 3. Re: Harsh Article re: EC (Tony Boulton) 4. Re: Harsh Article re: EC (DeltaNick) 5. Re: Ouch!!! (DeltaNick) << message5.txt >> << message9.txt >> << message13.txt >> << message15.txt >> << message19.txt >> _______________________________________________ Slowhand mailing list Slowhand@planet-torque.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand From DLeblanc3 at purolator.com Fri Jan 14 12:21:38 2005 From: DLeblanc3 at purolator.com (Leblanc, Denis (CGI)) Date: Fri Jan 14 12:26:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re-Slowhand digest v5, no. 32 Message-ID: Vintage DeltaNick! Far from having left the building, Nick still posts with the same passion and fire in his belly as he did in the old days! Denis :)) From ollio at mbnet.fi Fri Jan 14 12:32:51 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Fri Jan 14 12:30:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Insulting EC Message-ID: <000c01c4fa5f$1301aad0$2bebc551@ollionkone> Hi all, It's once again gettin funny! There seems to be a contest going how to insult Mr. Clapton worst. Some people on this list seem to be very happy jumping on the wagon. It's always funny and satisfying to attack artists who became rich and succeesful. Some critics don't do much else and usually they are musiciand who didn't make it. Well, EC has had this kind of sh*t hurled all over him since the Cream was disbanded some 36 years ago. It's in a way ironical, that Eric's ending his beautiful career with these 4 concerts with Cream and still there's lots of people, who love to criticize him. I think this speaks lots in favour of Clapton. He's been ahead of these conservative "music-fans" all this time. Eric's music has been much more varied, soulful and heartfelt, than we ever imagined, when he started in the 1960's. I think these naive critics don't know their Clapton at all. They know only some guitarsolos from Bluesbreakers or Cream and that was just start for those, who can also understand other kinds of expression. For me Clapton is much more than his guitar playing. Anyway I thank Eric Clapton for an amazing career and lovely music and I wish him a peaceful life with his family. Cheers Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/6b9d1b2e/attachment.html From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 12:32:35 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Fri Jan 14 12:32:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Fatwa And Other Thoughts (DeltaNick) Message-ID: <20050114173235.86690.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> You know what, DeltaNick? Far from liking everything EC does, some of us on this list actually think EC does show passion quite often these days. But I'm probably wasting my time writing about it. I've probaby seen EC 10-20 times over the past 15 years and not one performance has lacked some great playing to my ears. As I have written before, I don't believe there is an artist who ever lived that wasn't built up by the media and then torn down. It's a phenomenon - name one artist who has been around as long as EC and gets equal acclaim as when they started out. You may think EC was great every night back in the Mayall / Cream days but it was the meaningless meanderings that the music had become in EC's mind that led him to break up Cream and want to join the Band. I would venture to suggest that the playing in the FTC tour was just as much if not more consistently passionate IMHO than in the Cream days. Back to listening to some fiery RECENT EC... Richard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/7356b183/attachment.html From susbastille at msn.com Fri Jan 14 12:41:02 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Fri Jan 14 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Ouch!!! References: <014a01c4fa58$66a4f810$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Message-ID: >>Wow! What an insult, comparing Clapton to Jimmy Page. As much as I've criticized Clapton, I will not stoop to dropping my opinion of him THAT far. I consider this worse criticism than anything I've ever written about him. That's REALLY low! DeltaNick<< Yes, there is quite a difference in origin and intent. I think any critical statements DeltaNick has made have come from a position of disillusionment, and that if his criticisms sound harsh, it's merely because his expressions of disgust and/or disappointment are often cloaked in sarcasm. Or he lays it all out straight and bare, which can startle and sometimes be tough to take without strong reader reaction. But I think DN's wish or goal, in the end, would be to prod Clapton to flourish. Sounds like this other guy, on the other hand, is coming from a position of pure meanness and his intention is to out and out destroy. I certainly can see the difference. (I do not know truly how DeltaNick thinks, and it is not my intention to offend DN with my pop psycho-babble. This is just my opinion and my response to the above post.) susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/f3fa5163/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 13:36:28 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Jan 14 13:36:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Insulting EC Message-ID: <002d01c4fa67$f7003d20$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> [Eric Clapton has] been ahead of these conservative "music-fans" all this >> time. << Actually, in his private life, EC seems to have become somewhat conservative over the years. But that's his preference, and happens to people once they establish their lifestyles with age and accumulate riches. I cannot blame EC for that. However, Clapton began his career as a musical "radical," and was anything but conservative in his Yardbirds, Mayall, and Cream days. What has happened -- what my central complaint is all about -- is that Clapton has become the epitome of conservatism from a musical standpoint. You've all heard me say that he's too comfortable, musically. Well, that equals conservative! Duh! I wish that from a musical standpoint, he'd again become a radical! I believe that it is Clapton himself who has become too musically conservative. For those who understand what I've been writing all these years, this is no revelation. Keep in mind, for those who read the words "conservative" and "radical," that I am NOT speaking of anyone's politics. This post is about Clapton's music. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/cbca4ecc/attachment.html From gilmoregirltoo at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 13:36:47 2005 From: gilmoregirltoo at yahoo.com (Hillary Todd) Date: Fri Jan 14 13:36:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Harsh Article re: EC In-Reply-To: <20050114170003.578108C1F0@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050114183647.88373.qmail@web50405.mail.yahoo.com> > > Yes, I know that every night cannot be the best. But > why are such a low > percentage of performances "the best," when Clapton > wowed people with his > playing nearly every night while with the Yardbirds, > Mayall, Cream, and > Blind Faith? I didn't see EC with the Yardbirds, Mayall, Cream or Blind Faith but from what I've heard and read I think this statement is clouded by nostalgia. And that's part of the problem with comparing the present day Clapton to the past. In reality his past is probably not as glorious as you remember and his present is not as dour as you seem to believe. I am not saying you shouldn't criticize and I am not saying everything he does is brilliant. What I am saying is that by dismissing everything that doesn't have a "shot-heard-round-the-world-impact" as not good enough you are missing an awful lot of wonderful things. Imagine if everything you did was compared against what someone subjectively considered to be the best ever! "That was a nice dinner honey, but man, that dinner you made in 1985, wow! Why can't you do that again?" or "Very good report, nicely done, but I can't help thinking of that fantastic report you did ten years ago, maybe if you just tried harder, you could do that again." Seriously, if you could just stop placing this unrealistic expectation that everything he does will be as good as your memories then you might just be able to appreciate what we have. I honestly don't think he is bottling up his passion. It's just different now because he's different. The Clapton in his 20s had not experienced all that today's Clapton has and all those experiences makes him the person, and the musician, that he is. Perhaps in his younger days he was less complicated and so the passion/anger was the main emotion, whereas, today he's more complex and has a wider range of emotions to express. One thing we can agree on, he's my favorite too! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 14 13:50:12 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Fri Jan 14 13:52:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Insulting EC In-Reply-To: <20050114183653.05B328C12F@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: If Eric was a radical musically in the 60's surely it had a lot do with his personal/private life, hence the rebellion and the attitude could be heard in his fingers, but as Eric had often said, when he hears those records from old, he hears nothing but ego and all his personality was in his fingers. Now as DN puts he has become conservative in his private life, how can that translate into music? It makes total sense, that has he's amassed riches, fame, notierity, all the things that he didn't have when he was 21, his music is bound to take less chances on a consistent basis. Also given that he's developed other skills other than just fretboard frenetics, it would seem logical that what we have in EC Circa 2005 is a more complete, albeit not the same, artist than before. I can't be-grudge him if he doesn't want to be a rebel or a radical musically, but I think whatever rebellion does exist probably manifests itself now only in his attire.. lol.. From: DeltaNick To: "Slowhand Digest" Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Insulting EC Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:36 PM >>[Eric Clapton has] been ahead of these conservative "music-fans" all this >>time. << Actually, in his private life, EC seems to have become somewhat conservative over the years. But that's his preference, and happens to people once they establish their lifestyles with age and accumulate riches. I cannot blame EC for that. However, Clapton began his career as a musical "radical," and was anything but conservative in his Yardbirds, Mayall, and Cream days. What has happened -- what my central complaint is all about -- is that Clapton has become the epitome of conservatism from a musical standpoint. You've all heard me say that he's too comfortable, musically. Well, that equals conservative! Duh! I wish that from a musical standpoint, he'd again become a radical! I believe that it is Clapton himself who has become too musically conservative. For those who understand what I've been writing all these years, this is no revelation. Keep in mind, for those who read the words "conservative" and "radical," that I am NOT speaking of anyone's politics. This post is about Clapton's music. DeltaNick From ollio at mbnet.fi Fri Jan 14 14:16:58 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Fri Jan 14 14:14:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Conservative Clapton References: <20050114183653.9DE318C194@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <000301c4fa6d$9f246bc0$2bebc551@ollionkone> Hi all, I think, that staying in the 60's style of guitar heroics would have been very conservative musically. There's lots of sad examples of musicians still trying to be like teenagers. Clapton has been very brave in his moves. He's been one of the most severly criticized and hated musicians of the last decades and only because he had the courage to move on! The rebellion of the 60's would sound ludicurous these days. It's great EC has followed his own heart and not the wants of his so-called fans. I think playing self indulgent guitar solos isn't that rebellious, almost every guitarist seems to do that. I guess I see musical conservatism in a different way, than most people who criticize Clapton, but that's only my shame ;*) and not a problem. Anyway, EC's performing career seems to be very near the end and I hope we all still can enjoy the Cream shows and once more feel the magic of EC's musicality live. Cheers Olli From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 14:20:51 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Jan 14 14:21:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Harsh Article re: EC Message-ID: <001b01c4fa6e$2b0215c0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I think this statement is clouded by nostalgia << I assure you that you are wrong, absolutely wrong. My opinion is based on what I believe to be the quality of Clapton's guitar playing, rather than by nostalgia. My explanation is based on a careful and logical flow of facts and analysis, as presented right here. Want proof? Why do I like it so much when EC again approaches what I consider to be that quality, such as in the two VH1 performances from 1998 and 1999 that I mentioned earlier? Surely, that's not nostalgia. I never before heard Clapton play that quality of acoustic slide guitar, and he didn't often play slide guitar at all during the 1960s on recordings or in public. In fact, Clapton today plays slide guitar in public often, when he didn't before. How can I be nostalgic for something that didn't happen before? No, by writing that my memories are clouded by nostalgia, you are assuming that you know what goes on inside MY mind. Are you a psychiatrist, a psychologist (do you even know the difference between these two professions)? The fact that you do this via e-mail is all the more hilarious. I am amused by people who attempt to tell my what I REALLY think; they simply cannot accept what I write. I try to be crystal clear and to the point. I ask that the reader accept what I write as what I really mean. Please respond to what I write, the points I make, and not some fictional story invented in YOUR mind. Don't cut ME down, but try to critique my ideas instead. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/7d647f07/attachment.html From DLeblanc3 at purolator.com Fri Jan 14 14:21:56 2005 From: DLeblanc3 at purolator.com (Leblanc, Denis (CGI)) Date: Fri Jan 14 14:22:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Sessions For Robert J bonus tracks Message-ID: I've seen this question asked on the digest in the past month or so but haven't seen any reply. I can't find any way to access the 2 bonus tracks on the Sessions For Robert J dvd. They are listed on the cover...they shouldn't be that hard to find! But I don't see them anywhere. Anybody care to post directions? Denis From Garret74 at aol.com Fri Jan 14 15:23:14 2005 From: Garret74 at aol.com (Garret74@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 14 15:23:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Harsh thoughts.... Message-ID: <192.374db9f7.2f198432@aol.com> ****Sounds like this other guy, on the other hand, is coming from a position = of pure meanness and his intention is to out and out destroy. I certainly can see the difference.**** The reviewer criticized David Bowie, Pete Townsend, and Jimmy Page as well. His problem seems to be that new artists don't stay new. I just wonder why he didn't go after Dylan....or Paul McCartney (talk about a career free fall!)...But it doesn't matter, after all...after you've written Here There and Everywhere or Desolation Row, Young American, or Baba O'Reilly, what the hell does it matter what someone who has never done anything constructive in their lives think? There are people who do, who create, and then those who sit around and tell everyone else what is good or bad about it. And god forbid you're ever commercially successful at anything- some critics just can't bear the thought of their own creations being popular with the masses...why that's 'selling out'!!! ****I wish that from a musical standpoint, he'd again become a radical! I believe that it is Clapton himself who has become too musically conservative. For those who understand what I've been writing all these years, this is no revelation.**** I don't know, man. How does one become a radical again? Doesn't a person outgrow the passion that made him what he was when he was young, and in so doing so, bring maturity and wisdom to their work...Isn't it the old Dionysian/Apollionian dichotomy? I loved Eric's work with the bluesbreakers...his voice was remarkable fresh and new. Now that voice has become older, more tired and much wiser...it's a voice of a world traveler now...a man who has experienced the world. ****Seriously, if you could just stop placing this unrealistic expectation that everything he does will be as good as your memories then you might just be able to appreciate what we have. ****** Well, art moves on... Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/9333ee5d/attachment.html From bob.ritchie at sympatico.ca Fri Jan 14 15:37:07 2005 From: bob.ritchie at sympatico.ca (bob.ritchie@sympatico.ca) Date: Fri Jan 14 15:37:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Delta Nick Message-ID: <20050114203707.TCH1814.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Friends, Romans, and Slowhand Digest subscribers, Out of respect (and laziness), this posting is an alteration of a recent posting from Delta Nick. Deletions are denoted by use of square brackets “[ ]” Just this week, we've seen several critiques of Delta Nick’s [Eric Clapton's] latest efforts here in the Slowhand Digest [-- in The Riverfront Times, London News Review, and other critiques --] and not just MY opinions. Although I do not agree with everything written in the posts [articles], they illustrate that the sentiment I express[ed] is widespread among a number of Delta Nick [EC] fans who've followed his career since its beginning in the 1990s [1960s]. Although some think he's doing his best ever, and some do not like reading anything remotely negative about Delta Nick [EC], many others -- myself included -- disagree and believe that Delta Nick [Clapton] is flying on auto-pilot in comparison to his early career. Delta Nick [Eric Clapton] has been quite busy lately, and he should be commended for the extent of his widespread posting [touring] (those in non-English sites [Australia] would probably disagree), and for assisting others, such as his upcoming commentary on tomorrow night's EC performance on the telethon for relief of tsunami victims. That being said, I'm not sure everyone understands that quantity does not necessarily equal quality. There have been some recent exceptions to what I believe is Delta Nick’s [Clapton's]less-than-stellar level of post [performance] of recent years. Examples that come immediately to mind: the praise regarding EC’s [the] White House performances for Christmas 1998 and the stunning non-audio critique of EC’s [the] acoustic "Ramblin' On My Mind" at the White House in October 1999, both posted here [shown on VH1 TV]. I believe that Delta Nick [Clapton] still has the talent, as he put forth in those pieces [these performances]. However, most of today's postings [performances], to me, seem near-perfect from a mechanical standpoint, but something special from Delta Nick’s [Clapton's] early years is missing: I believe that the liquid passion Delta Nick [Clapton] once expressed so freely is nowadays kept inside. I think he doesn't want to let it out, he's today too reserved, yet this is precisely what made Delta Nick [Eric Clapton] such a great Slowhand Digester [musician]. How can the passion that a poster [performer] expressed so freely in the past just vanish? I don't think so. Delta Nick [Clapton], with his singular prose [guitar solos], used to suck you through the walls, and make you soar among the clouds. And all of a sudden this passion is gone? I don't believe it for a moment, but instead believe that it's bottled up inside, waiting for someone to rub the lamp, so the Genie can come out. Every once in a while, we see a puff of it, like a ghost, but then it goes back inside. Yes, I know that every post [night] cannot be the best. But why are such a low percentage of postings [performances] "the best," when Delta Nick [Clapton] wowed people with his contributions [playing] nearly every digest [night] while with a [the] Network PC [Yardbirds], Stand-alone PC [Mayall], Laptop [Cream], and PDA [ Blind Faith]? Editor Dave Hillman recently posted an article about the effect of the "Delta Nick [Blues Breakers]" archive [album] (remember BDN [BB] and ADN [AB]: "Before Delta Nick Bluesbreakers]" and "After Delta Nick [Bluesbreakers]"?), which illustrates Delta Nick’s [Clapton's] then-electrifying, shot-heard-round-the-world impact on lurkers [audiences] and digesters [musicians] alike. Nowadays, such brilliant postings [performances] seem to be the exception rather than the rule. Why do so many, as [in] the critiques [articles] mentioned, praise Delta Nick [Clapton] for brilliant penmanship [musicianship] in his early career, and criticize him for what they believe is a less-than-stellar, too-comfortable level of recent posts [performance]? When I was a child in grade school earning “A” ["B"] and “A-” ["C"] grades, I was told that I could do so much better, that I wasn't trying hard enough. Those who said so -- parents, teachers, and fellow students -- were 100% correct. I believe the same to be the case with Delta Nick’s [Clapton's] efforts today. Again, I believe that Delta Nick [EC] can do so much better, that he has not been giving us his best of late. I think he's keeping his passion bottled up inside. One more thing: Delta Nick [Clapton] is my favorite poster [artist]. Bob :) From rdh at optimum-power.com Fri Jan 14 15:41:09 2005 From: rdh at optimum-power.com (Roy D. Houston) Date: Fri Jan 14 15:41:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Music according to DeltaNick Message-ID: <1B5020F2D5CDC641ACF55BB56CAACC200250C0@OPTMSG01.optimum-power.com> The ever-opinionated DN wrote: << However, Clapton began his career as a musical "radical," and was anything but conservative in his Yardbirds, Mayall, and Cream days. What has happened -- what my central complaint is all about -- is that Clapton has become the epitome of conservatism from a musical standpoint. I wish that from a musical standpoint, he'd again become a radical! Keep in mind, for those who read the words "conservative" and "radical," that I am NOT speaking of anyone's politics. This post is about Clapton's music. >> Is it? About music? Well, let's see....I would count the following music-related post-Cream decisions/directions as anything but conservative: Leaving Cream at the height of their popularity. -This was anything but conservative! This was radically received by press and public. 'Badge' became widely known as the 'new direction' for EC and generally unlike most of the Cream catalog. Leaving Blind Faith to tour with Delaney and Bonnie and Friends. -Let's leave the very first supergroup ever conceived to play unknown songs by a relatively unknown folk blues married duo. Derek and the Dominos. (circa 1970) -First time we see EC as bandleader/frontman. Huge departure. Huge responsibility. Ask any guitar sideman and he'll tell you - fronting your own band is an entirely different gig! Definitely not conservative. His popularity/notoriety at the time required this move be performed without a net... 461 Ocean Blvd. (circa 1974) -What's the best guitarist in the world do after a 3-year hiatus? Produce a laid back album where the guitar does *not* take center stage. This, coincidentally, produces his first No. 1 hit. Oh yeah, that hit was a reggae song - a style of music that was, again, a departure from his previous body of work. EC Goes Country (circa 1978/79) -Due to the heavy influence of ole' Don Whatshisname, EC embarked on a few album's worth of country-fied (is that a word) music. 'We're All the Way', indeed. Not to everyone's taste, but again, he is very purposely doing something that he is not used to, and not what he was known for. i.e. not conservative. EC Bows at the Altar of the Blues (circa 1994) -Full Blues Tour honoring his own personal all-star list of faves. When the tour hit, how many were looking for the Cocaine/WT/Layla section of the program? This is a definite risk that EC, himself, admitted. EC Goes Techno (circa 2000??) -RTF or is it TDF or Retail somethin'...I can't remember. Techno!?? Need I say more? EC Reinvents Layla Twice! -It's hard to not think of 'Layla' without the incredible opening notes nor the piano coda. EC shows everyone that there is a song underneath with an unplugged version and a funky Dr. John follow-up. EC Goes Jazz -Gutsy move to throw yourself into the mix of those established jazz heavyweights. You may argue about the degree of his success, but one must admit that it was not a conservative move. For those keeping the fashion score, we see EC is very hipster jazz glasses. ok, ok, enough. I'm not saying that I applaud all of these (radical) changes (and the list could certainly be longer). Some I think were way off mark. But that's me. Maybe DeltaNick meant that his soloing had become conservative?? DN has, in previous posts, discussed his dismay that EC has dropped some of his guitar technique - notably the vibrato-after-bend that he used expertly in his early career. But EC's soloing technique has changed. And change is also a sign of growth. He now employs alot of fingerpicking solos. I doubt that he ever fingerpicked a solo prior to 71. (My love of D&D aside, my favorite part of NBTB tours is when EC is ripping on the Gibson - guitar pick no where in sight). More to the point, this risk-taking, reinvention of himself that EC manages to pull off throughout his career is likely a major contributing factor to his staying power in the music business. There are plenty of musicians (and guitarists) that create the same type of music repeatedly - only to find themselves sinking into obscurity. Sorry for the looooong post. -Roy From roante04 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 14 15:41:45 2005 From: roante04 at yahoo.co.uk (a linden) Date: Fri Jan 14 15:41:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] God myth? In-Reply-To: <20050114183653.9DE318C194@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050114204145.87325.qmail@web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello all you music lovers! I think some of this Clapton criticism is due to the Clapton is God myth. Clapton wasn't the God every night in the 60's, IMHO! I don't think his playing with the Yardbirds was up to his standards nowadays. The Beano album is excellent as we have surely heard by now ;') , but listen to the BBC recordings, nothing divine, I think. Cream albums are immaculate, but live Cream was on about every third night. At least that's what Eric has said himself. Well, of course he can't remember that part of the sixties quite clearly, but if the bootlegs are a witness, there's lots of sloppy playing and even EC's quite lost during the farewell tour. By Blind Faith Clapton had lost his intrest in guitar heroism and wanted to be a pert of band with good songs. Maybe we expect too much from EC. He's only a human, but a human genius. All the best Ande ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From four61ob at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 15:48:47 2005 From: four61ob at yahoo.com (ChriSparky) Date: Fri Jan 14 15:48:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Passion and respect Message-ID: <20050114204847.40992.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Hey once again we are going down the road of personal opinion. After reading DN's rant I can't help but understand his point of view and respect him for saying it so well (and with respect to EC and us too)...I feel what he is saying but for me personally I hear and feel the passion from EC these past few years, its not happening 100% of the time, hell I don't think its even 50% of the time. but when it does happen during a concert I've been at I notice it and it sends me reeling just like when I 1st heard the bluesbreakers lp so many years ago. I still get lost when I listen to that CD. the FTC tours he was hitting the passion meter about 80% of the time IMO, at least at the 4 shows I attended (and the countless tapes of shows from that tour I've listen to) and yes I could have died right then and been completely happy knowing that I'd seen and heard it all. I don't have the time nor do I want to spend the effort to go off on the writer of that article that states Eric's fall from grace was when he started teaching us the history of the blues (although for some of us it was a refresher) with the FTC release....yikes, no I mean YIKES !....anyway, Eric is just like us, human and sometimes I have no passion for my job but I'm right there when the checks are being handed out. and I'm sure my boss understands...at least I show up for work everyday :') .... well ok its not the same but I was reaching for some type of classic ending...peace --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/82eaa81a/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Fri Jan 14 15:55:19 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Fri Jan 14 15:55:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Ouch!!! References: <014a01c4fa58$66a4f810$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Message-ID: <013a01c4fa7b$5c26bae0$838c29d8@Kelly> My writing/literature teacher told me today that he expected me to show up in my Clapton shirt. lol It was the first day of my classes with him again, and we love talking about music and politics. Anyway, he told me there is a website that he's been reading with arguments over who is the better guitarist -- Eric Clapton or Jimmy Page. I, of course, said Eric without a doubt. I forgot to ask him the website url. I think I should send him an email and find out. I like Jimmy Page, but how could anyone think he's better than EC?! Kelly --------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: DeltaNick To: Slowhand Digest Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Ouch!!! >> I don't think there's an artist of Eric Clapton's stature (and we're talking about someone who's jostling around at the Jimmy Page, Stevie Wonder level of things ...) << Wow! What an insult, comparing Clapton to Jimmy Page. As much as I've criticized Clapton, I will not stoop to dropping my opinion of him THAT far. I consider this worse criticism than anything I've ever written about him. That's REALLY low! DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/de66b399/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 14 17:12:13 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Fri Jan 14 17:13:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] World according to DN.. In-Reply-To: <20050114204113.5B0AE8D35D@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: >>I think this statement is clouded by nostalgia << I assure you that you are wrong, absolutely wrong. My opinion is based on what I believe to be the quality of Clapton's guitar playing, rather than by nostalgia. My explanation is based on a careful and logical flow of facts and analysis >>lets see what DN calls facts and analysis.. , as presented right here. Want proof? Why do I like it so much when EC again approaches what I consider to be that quality, such as in the two VH1 performances from 1998 and 1999 that I mentioned earlier? Surely, that's not nostalgia. I never before heard Clapton play that quality of acoustic slide guitar, and he didn't often play slide guitar at all during the 1960s on recordings or in >>ooohooh.. i liked it a lot so that must mean it's fact! Yes he may not >>have played that much slide, but just because you liked or that it was >>quality has no bearing as a fact.. In fact, this is all subjective.. public. In fact, Clapton today plays slide guitar in public often, when he didn't before. How can I be nostalgic for something that didn't happen before? No, by writing that my memories are clouded by nostalgia, you are assuming that you know what goes on inside MY mind. Are you a psychiatrist, a psychologist (do you even know the difference between these two professions)? The fact that you do this via e-mail is all the more hilarious. >>Dn's mind: Gibson Good, fender Bad, anything on Vh1: good.. I jest, I >>jest. couldn't resist. I am amused by people who attempt to tell my what I REALLY think; they simply cannot accept what I write. I try to be crystal clear and to the point. I ask that the reader accept what I write as what I really mean. Please respond to what I write, the points I make, and not some fictional story invented in YOUR mind. Don't cut ME down, but try to critique my ideas instead. >>Your ideas are basically, from what I have read, that anyone who disagrees >>with you is attacking you personally, while everythign you say is based on >>facts and analysis. While your analysis is more or less enjoying whatever >>clapton did from 1965-1968. And slide guitar in 1998-1999. We get your >>analysis, you don't have to hammer it over our heads.. DeltaNick ----Original Message Follows---- From: slowhand-request@planet-torque.com Reply-To: slowhand@planet-torque.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 34 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:41:13 -0500 (EST) Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to slowhand@planet-torque.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to slowhand-request@planet-torque.com You can reach the person managing the list at slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Insulting EC (Apurva Parikh) 2. Conservative Clapton (ollio) 3. Re: Harsh Article re: EC (DeltaNick) 4. Sessions For Robert J bonus tracks (Leblanc, Denis (CGI)) 5. Harsh thoughts.... (Garret74@aol.com) 6. Delta Nick (bob.ritchie@sympatico.ca) 7. Music according to DeltaNick (Roy D. Houston) << message5.txt >> << message7.txt >> << message9.txt >> << message13.txt >> << message15.txt >> << message19.txt >> << message21.txt >> _______________________________________________ Slowhand mailing list Slowhand@planet-torque.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand From blues4jr at aol.com Fri Jan 14 17:29:11 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 14 17:29:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream 2005 set-list prediction Message-ID: <5D622AE3.35D611C8.00955D93@aol.com> In no particular order. Rolling and Tumbling Lawdy Mama Sunshine White Room Outside Woman Blues Politician Sitting On Top Of The World Born Under A Bad Sign Badge Crossroads (not the 60's version) Spoonful (surprise of the night) 3 new songs About 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hours. Most of the above EC has played since Cream. No lead solos more than about a minute. Also, wouldn't be surprised to see a keyboardist and 2nd guitar player. John From jennifer-trianon at rogers.com Fri Jan 14 18:44:23 2005 From: jennifer-trianon at rogers.com (Jennifer Herbert) Date: Fri Jan 14 18:32:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cream 2005 set list prediction Message-ID: <00de01c4fa92$fa54b0c0$2c513241@jennifermnm4xy> Any suggestions as to who the keyboardist and second guitar player should be? My vote is for Winwood as keyboardist. The guitar player needs more thought. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/a7b4cbd1/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Fri Jan 14 20:45:57 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 14 20:46:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] WhateverI Message-ID: <13d.aa1218f.2f19cfd5@aol.com> I was recently speaking with a neighbor who has a very successful local music instruction business - he was telling me that most of his young students are aspiring guitar players - and more often than not - when they show up at his studio for their first lesson -they will pop a Cream cd into his player - and tell him - "I want to learn how to play like that". I am tempted to say - re: our current discussion - that these kids are not walking into this guys studio and popping "Reptile" into the cd player - but - these are young kids - and of course they are excited by the music made by young men - it speaks to who they are now just as it once spoke to us - I rarely listen to Cream or even D and D - when I do I love it for awhile - it brings me back to my youth and the excitement I felt then about that music - but I have matured - at least in my musical tastes - since then ( although I will never be too old to be completely knocked out by the power of "White Room") and I want to hear that kind of maturity in my favorite musicians. when Nick says - "you don't get it" I think he is correct in that no matter how many times those of us who would like to see EC shake things up a bit explain ourselves we are still consistently misinterpreted - for the 90th time I have no desire to hear Eric Clapton do Cream - but I would like to hear him in his more mature years apply that same passion to his current music. it would be very strange for EC to be expressing the same kind of young man angst that he expressed in Cream et al nowadays - but his more mature emotional state can also be expressed with the same vitality - innovativeness and passion with which he once expressed himself as a young man. I saw a post here - about the intro to Cocaine that EC does - the poster was citing this intro as an example of how innovative EC continues to be - ah but - us old timers know that EC has been playing that same intro to Cocaine for what - 10 years now ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/9ab9c19e/attachment-0001.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 20:48:21 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Fri Jan 14 20:48:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] State of the Vintage Guitar Market 2005 Message-ID: <20050115014821.14579.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> DeltaNick and the Digest have been waaaay too quiet lately ... maybe George can liven things up a little ------------ http://www.stratcollector.com/newsdesk/archives/000305.html By George Gruhn: ... "Another landmark Stratocaster event of 2004 was the Eric Clapton collection auction in which a number of his guitars sold for record prices. His Stratocaster named “Blackie” which was assembled as a composite of several instruments and parts he bought in Nashville in 1970 when he was in town to do a segment on the Johnny Cash show with his band Derek and the Dominos sold for almost $1 million setting a record for the price ever achieved for any Stratocaster. My shop was in its first year of operation and was located only a couple of hundred feet from the backstage door of the Ryman Auditorium where the Cash shows were taped. Eric bought several Stratocasters from me at that time as well as buying a number of Stratocaster necks, bodies, and other components from Sho-Bud Guitars which was located right around the corner from us. I am not sure exactly what mix and match of parts from my shop and Sho-Bud went into Blackie, but what is clear is that this guitar was one of the most significant instruments in Eric Clapton’s career. From the point of view of a collector wanting a pristine original instrument, it would not be a highly desirable instrument, however, from a utilitarian point of view it was certainly a great guitar. Blackie’s selling price, however, obviously is a function of its memorabilia appeal rather than either its utilitarian value or its appeal as a vintage instrument. The same can be said for his ES-335 and several other instruments which sold for astronomical prices at the auction. I view the memorabilia market and the vintage instrument market as separate entities which operate quite independently of each other. In spite of the tremendous amount of publicity surrounding the Clapton auction, I do not anticipate that it will have a profound effect on the vintage instrument market. I have been collecting and dealing vintage instruments since 1963 and first opened my shop 35 years ago in January 1970. When I started out in 1963, I saw remarkably little interest in vintage electric guitars of any kind. At that time the oldest Stratocaster was a nine year old used guitar and sunburst Les Pauls were only three to five years old. All Fenders were pre CBS and used ones of any age or color were readily available for no more than $100. The Folk music boom had generated interest in vintage acoustic guitars, but I saw remarkably little activity in the vintage electric guitar market until Mike Bloomfield started playing with Paul Butterfield. Once Rhythm & Blues started to attract mainstream attention, interest in vintage electrics exploded, but most of the requests I received for vintage electrics were for Gibson Les Paul models and Fender Telecasters. I saw very little activity in the vintage Stratocaster market until Eric Clapton started using them. It is my recollection that within a matter of weeks after he was seen using Stratocasters on stage, I started receiving numerous inquiries from potential buyers and prices began to escalate rapidly. From that time onward, I have consistently received more inquiries for Stratocasters than Telecasters. While Strats and Gibson Les Pauls sometimes have appeared to leap frog each other in popularity over the years, from 1970 to the present there is no doubt that the Stratocaster has been the most popular model Fender guitar and throughout much of that time has been the single most popular electric guitar model among all makes and models available. I still vividly remember that Jazzmasters and Jaguars were far more popular as new guitars in the early and mid ‘60s than either Stratocasters or Telecasters. Telecasters were more sought by vintage collectors in the mid and late 1960s than Stratocasters and continued to be more popular in Nashville’s Country music scene than Stratocasters through the 1970s. Most players and guitar buyers on the scene today, however, not only view the Stratocaster as one of the preeminent guitars ever made, but have no recollection of any time when the Stratocaster occupied a less exalted niche. I have no doubt that the Stratocaster will continue to be the most popular Fender guitar in the foreseeable future, and in all probability will continue to out sell any other model by any American manufacturer of electric guitars for as far as my crystal ball permits me to gaze into the future." ------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Cobhome at aol.com Fri Jan 14 20:53:58 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 14 20:54:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Message-ID: <45.1fa96a36.2f19d1b6@aol.com> If they show up with a second guitar player and a keyboardist - then that is NOT Cream - Cream was a trio ! Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/3f4587fd/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Fri Jan 14 22:36:55 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Fri Jan 14 22:38:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Guitarist and keyboard References: <00de01c4fa92$fa54b0c0$2c513241@jennifermnm4xy> Message-ID: <002d01c4fab3$aa33fbc0$828b29d8@Kelly> There shouldn't be a second guitarist and keyboard player in my opinion. I mean that isn't Cream. I just want those three guys urging each other on. Kelly -------------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050114/a966d22a/attachment.html From Mowdamowda at hotmail.com Sat Jan 15 00:48:14 2005 From: Mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Sat Jan 15 00:48:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cocaine intro Message-ID: Cobhome@aol.com (sorry, that's all I have to go by) says: I saw a post here - about the intro to Cocaine that EC does - the poster was citing this intro as an example of how innovative EC continues to be - ah but - us old timers know that EC has been playing that same intro to Cocaine for what - 10 years now ??? If you take the time to track down the Wonderful Tonight CD single from "24 Nights" you'll find a live version of Cocaine with a fabulous intro. I certainly haven't heard him do it like this before. If you can get onto Guitar Bob's site (and leave your Trojans at home) you'll be able to find it. Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 14/01/2005 From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Sat Jan 15 01:15:20 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Sat Jan 15 01:15:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Message-ID: Well, it seems to me that, in bringing Cream back together, EC is giving himself every opportunity to harness the passion he has been measuring out for the last little while. I think he is presenting it as a challenge to himself (and also to Bruce and Baker). Can they STILL DO IT? If they don't bring in a keyboard player or a second guitar, if it is just the three of them, then EC is going to have to play with passion and fire if it is going to be any good at all. I suppose they can just do all of the "oldies," with one minute instead of 10 minute solos, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It won't surprise me if we get 20 minutes of Cream "unplugged" (and that could even be interesting), but for the other hour and a half it seems to me like there's going to have to be blazing guitar, or why do it? Best, Ken From joeyjay at att.net Sat Jan 15 03:49:44 2005 From: joeyjay at att.net (joeyjay@att.net) Date: Sat Jan 15 03:49:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Stevie Winwood with Cream Message-ID: <011520050849.3028.41E8D92700072B0200000BD42160383116970E06970A0106@att.net> >>>Any suggestions as to who the keyboardist and second guitar player should be? >>>My vote is for Winwood as keyboardist. The guitar player needs more thought. Ya know it never occured to me that the Cream shows might include additional musicians......I'm not sure I'd want to see that....but if it did....Steve Winwood would certainly be a fabulous choice...both as a keyboardist and especially as a guitarist......and wouldn't it be incredible to hear Presence Of The Load or Sleeping In The Ground by Ginger, Jack, Eric and Stevie....and I have always wanted to see Eric and Stevie side by side playing impassioned, dueling, intertwining guitar on songs like Politician or Sitting On Top Of The World.....I can picture them doing them similar to the texture of the those songs as they we done in the studio versions, but with that LIVE energy ......Stevie's guitar sound is so wonderful and would be a delicious complimentary contrast to Eric...Stevie's keyboard playing is legendary, but his guitar playing is very special as well.....I really wish he had featured it more in his music throughout his career......and not to mention that phenomenal voice of his......they are precious few people that I like to see play with Cream.......but Stevie would get my vote.....big time !!!.....and he would have gotten my vote back in 1967-68 as well...... Question: Wasn't Stevie supposed to be a part of Cream back in the day? I seem to remember that this might have been a possibiity.....anybody know? Joey Jay From wokingham22 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 15 06:18:31 2005 From: wokingham22 at yahoo.co.uk (gary holderness) Date: Sat Jan 15 06:18:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hoot DVD & Woking NYE CD's distribution Message-ID: <20050115111831.89079.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Folks, I have 5 copies of the above shows, my intention is to send 2 to the US, 2 to Europe and 1 to OZ / NZ. Anyone who has the facilities to dupe DVD's & CD's and will offer back 5 copies to the list, please contact me off list. Names will be randomly drawn. Cheers, Gary ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From ollio at mbnet.fi Sat Jan 15 06:54:10 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Sat Jan 15 06:51:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream setlist? Message-ID: <000601c4faf8$ecf948d0$2bebc551@ollionkone> Hi all, It would be really nice if the Cream gigs at the start of May really materialized. The band has a history of terrible rows and if I remember it right BBM (Bruce, Baker and Gary Moore) disbanded also very soon on their first tour during summer of 1994 . BBM played lots of Cream songs in their sets: Sitting on Top of the World, Deseterd Cities of the Heart, Tales of Brave Ulysses, Rollin' and Tumblin', Politician, I Feel Free, Sunshine of Your Love and Spoonful. Jack has performed We're Goin' Wrong quite frequently and EC and Jack have had White Room in their setlists for years. Born Under a Bad Sign and Crossroads were played when Cream last played at R'nR Hall of Fame in 1994. The Cream Unplugged should include Anyone for Tennis and As You Said of course ;*). I'm sure some blues numbers will be added, maybe Third Degree as both EC and JB have played it. Stuff from Jack's solo years would be nice to hear: Eric has praised Jack's songs and Theme for an Imaginary Western is a particular favorite of EC's. Stevie Winwood has contributed to the next Clapton album, so it would be really nice to have him as a guest. That would be 3/4 of Blind Faith, so why not play one of Eric's best songs Presence of the Lord. Hope to get to the gigs in May and maybe meet some of you nice slowhanders Cheers Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050115/7da072b5/attachment-0001.html From gilmoregirltoo at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 09:38:16 2005 From: gilmoregirltoo at yahoo.com (Hillary Todd) Date: Sat Jan 15 09:38:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Harsh Article re: EC In-Reply-To: <20050114204113.5B0AE8D35D@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050115143816.32850.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> > >> I think this statement is clouded by nostalgia << > > I assure you that you are wrong, absolutely wrong. > > My opinion is based on what I believe to be the > quality of Clapton's guitar > playing, rather than by nostalgia. My explanation is > based on a careful and > logical flow of facts and analysis, as presented > right here. Want proof? Why > do I like it so much when EC again approaches what I > consider to be that > quality, such as in the two VH1 performances from > 1998 and 1999 that I > mentioned earlier? Surely, that's not nostalgia. I > never before heard > Clapton play that quality of acoustic slide guitar, > and he didn't often play > slide guitar at all during the 1960s on recordings > or in public. In fact, > Clapton today plays slide guitar in public often, > when he didn't before. How > can I be nostalgic for something that didn't happen > before? I was referring to your statement that Clapton wowed people with his playing nearly every night with the Yardbirds, Mayall, Cream and Blind Faith and that in comparison his is now flying on auto-pilot. I was not referring to your personal opinion on particular performances. My reference to nostalgia was not an accusation or a personal criticism of you. > > No, by writing that my memories are clouded by > nostalgia, you are assuming > that you know what goes on inside MY mind. Are you a > psychiatrist, a > psychologist (do you even know the difference > between these two > professions)? The fact that you do this via e-mail > is all the more > hilarious. Why yes, I do know the difference, however, I still don't understand why you seem to be insulted by the idea that your memory may not be 100% accurate. It was not intended as an insult. Human memory is more than just logic and facts. > > I am amused by people who attempt to tell my what I > REALLY think; they > simply cannot accept what I write. I try to be > crystal clear and to the > point. I ask that the reader accept what I write as > what I really mean. > Please respond to what I write, the points I make, > and not some fictional > story invented in YOUR mind. Don't cut ME down, but > try to critique my ideas > instead. I did. In your words, "Clapton wowed people with his playing nearly every night" but "nowadays, such performances seem to be the exception rather than the rule". I disagree in that I think those statements are over generalizations and not entirely accurate and that you have idealized the past to the point that the present can never measure up. I do get what you're saying and I understand your disappointment. Some of your criticism is valid but it often comes across to me as hyper-criticism in that even a performance you describe as "stunning" is merely an anecdote to explain why he doesn't measure up to his early career. > I have to take some issue with comparing early Clapton with present day Clapton. I look at his career as a continuous path, not as separate pieces than can be objectively compared to each other. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Jan 15 10:39:47 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sat Jan 15 10:39:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] World according to ... Message-ID: <007101c4fb18$72c7f370$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> ooohooh.. i liked it a lot so that must mean it's fact! Yes he may not >> have played that much slide, but just because you liked or that it was >> quality has no bearing as a fact. In fact, this is all subjective. << Wrong! You missed my point entirely. How can I be nostalgic for something that I enjoyed in the "here and now," that never happened 30-40 years ago? The notion that I enjoyed it may be subjective, but it's a fact that I enjoyed it. >> Your ideas are basically, from what I have read, that anyone who >> disagrees with you is attacking you personally. << Please don't tell me what my ideas are. You are wrong again. My ideas are what I write. When someone attempts to decipher my underlying motivations, they are not sticking to the points that I argue. I merely ask that the points I write be debated. Instead, you are attempting to peer into my mind via some kind of Internet Voodoo. Let's stick to the points I make about Eric Clapton's music: they may be right, they may be wrong, they may be subjective. But attacking the writer or his motivations is not civil debate, it's not "fighting fairly." When you do that, you dishonor yourself, and the readers see that you don't know how to debate or argue. Piling on is not civil discourse. When someone writes, "you like to criticize Clapton," the subject becomes "you," not Eric Clapton. I would like the subject to remain "Clapton" or "Clapton's performance," or "Clapton's guitar playing." Instead, my motivations are questioned. Rather than discussing my motivations, I would like to have a civil discussion about Eric Clapton's music. There are some readers who know how to do this, and there are others who don't. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050115/14731b18/attachment.html From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 15 10:54:05 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Sat Jan 15 10:54:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Digitech Crossroads Pedal References: <20050115115159.95B908CC6A@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <00bb01c4fb1a$71c19510$3b29ff3e@MAIN> I noticed the other day that Digitech have released a 'Crossroads' effects pedal with 7 EC pet sounds on it, helping us to recreate the sound of Badge, Layla(Plugged & Unplugged) and others. Does anyone have one of these yet? I, and I'm sure several others would appreciate a review of this pedal if you have one, sicI'm sure that themdia will produce reviews but we all appreciate EC's tones a little more than some media hack who probably gets 10 new pedals on his desk every morning! Cheers Simon From solron at optonline.net Sat Jan 15 14:38:21 2005 From: solron at optonline.net (Sol Fischler) Date: Sat Jan 15 14:38:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Stevie Winwood with Cream In-Reply-To: <20050115115200.377528CD37@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: There is nothing I would like to see more than Steve Winwood playing with EC -- and while I'm choosing, it'd be on guitar rather than keyboard. But forgive me -- If Steve DID sit in, that would pretty much make it Blind Faith reunion rather than a Cream reunion, no? Of course, the next question would be: "...and what would be wrong with that...?" :-) -- Sol From seger001 at gold.tc.umn.edu Sat Jan 15 19:18:35 2005 From: seger001 at gold.tc.umn.edu (Pat Seger) Date: Sat Jan 15 19:14:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Delta Nick [EC} Message-ID: Bob, I have to admit it has been a long time since I read such a wonderfully creative use of "alterations". And, whats more, it actually makes sense after you make the substitutions. Thanks for the laugh (and the truth) We all have our opinions regarding which year/ day/ hour was Eric's best. For me the recent live performances I have attended have had fewer of those intermittent moments of fantastic talent and energy that makes EC who he is. Still there, but fewer in number. Having said that, it is those flashes of brilliance which make what, for anyone else would be great musicianship, seem ordinary in Eric. Pat ---- Pat Seger seger001@gold.tc.umn.edu From backlezz at hotmail.com Sat Jan 15 21:26:57 2005 From: backlezz at hotmail.com (K S) Date: Sat Jan 15 21:27:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] inauthenticity Message-ID: Good evening all, I haven't seen the "inauthenticity question" raised in the harsh article from LNR debated yet. That was the actual focus of the writer as far as I can see, and is a somewhat different debate than "vibrato- no vibrato", "on fire guitar playing - autopilot" etc. As a person with first hand knowledge to the underground music scene in my town, and knowing a bunch of fine young radical musicians, I can certainly see how people may look at EC and the last decades of his career as something quite inauthentic. And the questions of "selling out" and strategic record releases (going back to the blues as a market strategy, as I understand is one of the main accusations) come to mind. This is without doubt one interesting aspect regarding the career of EC. To be authentic is of huge importance. In my opinion EC is as authentic as anyone in the music biz. To me he seems like an artist who has made, together with strategic thinking management, a couple of bad decisions throughout the years. But for the most part he has invested real, authentic feelings in his playing, singing and songwriting. And that is what counts, for me anyway. He has done a lot of things for commercial reasons, but who hasn't? He has left (at least tried to) the image of the guitar God and explored different artistic challenges, for better or for worse. To me a lot of it seems ambitious and radical. "morally distasteful", "the music of a fake"? It's hard to take the writer from LNR seriously on this matter. But when he raises the question of how "intimate and raw" Clapton appears these days, he brings up the themes we discuss here often. Everyone has their own take on this, but I haven't seen one person disagree to the assumption that the shows of 2004 had a good portion of fire and passion. The big question now is what EC has in mind when he says regarding the Cream reunion: ...to see if we can get back to where we left. Cheers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com Med markedets beste SPAM-filter. Gratis! From whereseric at optonline.net Sat Jan 15 22:08:35 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Sat Jan 15 22:08:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Aid: A Concert Of Hope Message-ID: <23d5c0244101.24410123d5c0@optonline.net> On 15 January 2005, Tsunami Aid: A Concert Of Hope was broadcast on numerous American television channels including NBC, USA, Bravo, MSNBC, Trio, PAX and Telemundo. The two-hour music and celebrity-driven broadcast raised funds to support the American Red Cross International Response Fund. The concert also aired on Clear Channel radio stations across the nation. Eric Clapton generously donated his talents to the relief effort. From a television studio in London, he and Roger Waters performed an accoustic version of the Pink Floyd song "Wish You Were Here". Eric did not lend his vocal talents to the number but he did play two short lead guitar breaks. Backing singers on the song were Katie Kissoon, Carol Kenyon and P.P. Arnold. Music from the evening's broadcast is available for download at www.connect.com. All proceeds from download sales will go to ease the suffering and help rebuild the lives of those directly affected by the tsunami. The Where's ERIC! Team From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Sun Jan 16 09:31:57 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Sun Jan 16 09:31:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Layla on crossroads fesival DVD Message-ID: Did anyone know that Layla is hidden song on disc 2 of the crossroads festival DVD ? Just go to "extras", stay on "main" and push left button. The little "blue thing" (sorry im french) must not be viewable. Then oush enter and... Etienne. From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Sun Jan 16 09:49:20 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Sun Jan 16 09:49:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] French version of Crossroads Guitar Fest.? Message-ID: Hello Eddy. Im just a new slowhander and i want to answer you (if anyone did not yet). There's not "'cause we ended as lovers" on the french DVD, but a special offer for a limited edition (500 copies) offered a rehearsal rendition of "crossroads" between EC and Jeff Beck. Im currently in the prossess to trade this one. And i have the audio of "'cause we ended as lovers" so if you want a copy i 'll try to send you the whole EC set of the festival. From norm.deane at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 14:03:21 2005 From: norm.deane at gmail.com (Norm Deane) Date: Sun Jan 16 14:03:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <20050116170002.41F6D8C316@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050116170002.41F6D8C316@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <798c5cb60501161103123b1319@mail.gmail.com> I've yet to find this hidden track. Others have indicated that the hidden track is Title 2/Chapter 1 but on my disc Title 2/Chapter 1 is Vishwa Mohan Bhatt. Are others having this problem? Norm > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:57 +0100 > From: Etienne Genaux > Subject: [Slowhand] Layla on crossroads fesival DVD > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Did anyone know that Layla is hidden song on disc 2 of the crossroads > festival DVD ? Just go to "extras", stay on "main" and push left button. The > little "blue thing" (sorry im french) must not be viewable. Then oush enter > and... > > Etienne. > From norm.deane at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 14:14:05 2005 From: norm.deane at gmail.com (Norm Deane) Date: Sun Jan 16 14:14:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fwd: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <798c5cb60501161103123b1319@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050116170002.41F6D8C316@six.pairlist.net> <798c5cb60501161103123b1319@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <798c5cb605011611147e00431f@mail.gmail.com> I found it. For some reason it was Title 4/Chapter 1 on my PC with Windows Media Player 10. Norm ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Norm Deane Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:03:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com I've yet to find this hidden track. Others have indicated that the hidden track is Title 2/Chapter 1 but on my disc Title 2/Chapter 1 is Vishwa Mohan Bhatt. Are others having this problem? Norm > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:57 +0100 > From: Etienne Genaux > Subject: [Slowhand] Layla on crossroads fesival DVD > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Did anyone know that Layla is hidden song on disc 2 of the crossroads > festival DVD ? Just go to "extras", stay on "main" and push left button. The > little "blue thing" (sorry im french) must not be viewable. Then oush enter > and... > > Etienne. > From deltanick at comcast.net Sun Jan 16 14:25:22 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sun Jan 16 14:25:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Inauthenticity Message-ID: <000b01c4fc01$214e8f60$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I haven't seen the "inauthenticity question" raised in the harsh article from LNR debated yet. << Wrong forum to claim that EC is "inauthentic." I don't think anyone here believes that. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050116/ffbe5db3/attachment.html From ddell at socal.rr.com Sun Jan 16 15:12:10 2005 From: ddell at socal.rr.com (Dave Dell) Date: Sun Jan 16 15:12:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] concert of hope Message-ID: <00b701c4fc07$a9226230$0202a8c0@dave> I found the Waters & Eric collaboration a disappointment. I was hoping to hear something from Eric's vast catalog of songs. I realize this was more about the cause than seeing my favorite muscian play something memorable, but it was still a disappointment. Dave From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Mon Jan 17 04:28:37 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 04:28:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] French version of Crossroads Guitar Fest.? Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF2E1@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Wow, I wonder if it's a Cream-speed version, as was last recorded from them on 9 September 1981. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Etienne Genaux [mailto:etienne.genaux@neuf.fr] Sent: 16 January 2005 16:49 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] French version of Crossroads Guitar Fest.? Hello Eddy. Im just a new slowhander and i want to answer you (if anyone did not yet). There's not "'cause we ended as lovers" on the french DVD, but a special offer for a limited edition (500 copies) offered a rehearsal rendition of "crossroads" between EC and Jeff Beck. Im currently in the prossess to trade this one. And i have the audio of "'cause we ended as lovers" so if you want a copy i 'll try to send you the whole EC set of the festival. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From scott.graves at amsjv.com Mon Jan 17 07:10:34 2005 From: scott.graves at amsjv.com (Graves, Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 07:05:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Aid: A Concert Of Hope Message-ID: <22CE8E75BE6AD3119A9800508B0FF7E90477A2E7@nmex02.nm.dsx.bae.co.uk> Does anyone know how I can get hold of the EC & Roger Waters track from this? The Connect site refuses to sell its tracks to anyone outside the US which makes getting the music legally a bit tricky. If anyone would be up for sending me a CD with the MP3/WAV or whatever file on it, I'd promise to make a donation to the Aid fund. regards, Scott ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** From wokingham22 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 17 09:33:16 2005 From: wokingham22 at yahoo.co.uk (gary holderness) Date: Mon Jan 17 09:33:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] NYE 2CD's & Hoot DVD distribution finalised Message-ID: <20050117143316.44172.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Folks, The following Slowhanders will be providing the first round of distribution. Please keep the ball rolling by redistributing 5 copies until everyone has copies. Europe - Gordon Ivett & Boris Jaeggi US - Lisa Skeet & Sam Mangano Oz - Brian Smith Further details on the items. DVD sourced from Sky Digital broadcast - Y/C into my Canon MV600i DV Camera - Firewire into PC and edited using Avid Express DV - MPEG encoding 720x576 PAL by TMPGenc 3.0 Express - Graphics from Photoshop - DVD authoring by TMPGenc DVD Author 1.5 Woking show recorded by Mr X on Sony DAT Enjoy !!! ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From klaassen at coastweb.de Mon Jan 17 10:22:53 2005 From: klaassen at coastweb.de (Gerd Klaassen) Date: Mon Jan 17 10:23:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Crossroads pedal Message-ID: <41EBD84D.3040408@coastweb.de> Crossroads pedal: http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-DOD-XASEC--brand-69.html http://www.guitarists.net/forum/view.php?forum=6&thread=43144 http://www.ravemag.com.au/gearedweb.pdf (pdf!) http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=459960 + a german review where it was rated very good. Gerd (who doesn't use pedals...) http://www.12bar.de From cdonatto at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 12:14:57 2005 From: cdonatto at yahoo.com (Cheryl Donatto) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:15:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Trying to reach.... Message-ID: <20050117171457.38211.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com> Paul in Liverpool. My emails to you at paulezrider@aol.com are being returned. Try emailing me at either cdonatto@yahoo.com or my work account observercomp@hcnonline.com CherylD __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From bluesman13 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 12:17:35 2005 From: bluesman13 at yahoo.com (bluesman13) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:17:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Just in case you missed the latest debate, here is an abbreviated version (all meant in fun, of course) Message-ID: <20050117171735.22390.qmail@web40622.mail.yahoo.com> In a heated debate about the direction and quality of EC's music, Delta Nick scolds a poster with: >>Let's discuss and debate the points made here in the Slowhand Digest instead of attacking those who submit them.<< DN even drags obesity into the debate!: >>...Here's another: Fat chance!..<< and then in a perplexing moment of chilhood fantasy, DN says: >>But attacking the writer or his motivations is not civil debate, it's not "fighting fairly<< and, in a strange choice of strategy, DN plays the Mantle card: >>...By 1966, the 33-year old Mantle was pretty much washed up, and his statistics were nowhere near what they were in 1956...<< and in a retort bordering on personal attack, DN says: >>...I would like to have a civil discussion about Eric Clapton's music. There are some readers who know how to do this, and there are others who don't...<< and in a strange release of personal information, DN confuses us by posting his home address to the entire Slowhand Listserv (address changed): >>...Nicholas Aleshin xxx Green Court MD 21042...<< and even addresses us formally as if he is Julius Ceasar: >>Friends, Romans, and Slowhand Digest subscribers...<< and in a moment of either temporary insanity or brillant strategy, DN uses reverse psychology in the form of a personal attack, and takes everyone to task by asking the question (which has mysteriously vanished from the archive): "..Do YOU know the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist?" So, to follow your lead, and to use the words of Julius Ceasar: "Et tu, DN?" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bluesview at comcast.net Mon Jan 17 12:45:19 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:45:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 References: <20050116170002.41F6D8C316@six.pairlist.net> <798c5cb60501161103123b1319@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4fcbc$502771b0$6501a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Deane" To: Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 > I've yet to find this hidden track. Others have indicated that the > hidden track is Title 2/Chapter 1 but on my disc Title 2/Chapter 1 is > Vishwa Mohan Bhatt. Are others having this problem? > > Norm > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:57 +0100 > > From: Etienne Genaux > > Subject: [Slowhand] Layla on crossroads fesival DVD > > To: > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > Did anyone know that Layla is hidden song on disc 2 of the crossroads > > festival DVD ? Just go to "extras", stay on "main" and push left button. The > > little "blue thing" (sorry im french) must not be viewable. Then oush enter > > and... > > > > Etienne. > > > > Norm, I had the same problem and it took me until yesterday to figure it out. When either using your PC or TV: from the menu go to EXTRAS. Once your at the EXTRAS menu screen scroll through the selections (INTERVIEWS, GUITAR SOLOS and MAIN) using the LEFT arrow on your PC or remote control on your TV (DVD) to scroll you'll notice the CURSOR will highlight on each selection except when you are scrolling between MAIN and GUITAR SOLOS you will notice the cursor disappear for one click of your LEFT ARROW. At that point just click your PLAY BUTTON and Layla will start up! Try it.... click through the selections from the EXTRAS MENU *** using ONLY the LEFT ARROW to scroll *** and see you actually have to click through FOUR stops, NOT three to completely cycle through all the selections. Layla is the stop where nothing happens and the cursor disappears. At that point click play and you're good to go. REMEMBER: DON'T use the RIGHT ARROW or the UP or DOWN arrows or the PC MOUSE to scroll through the EXTRAS MENU. They WON'T stop at the hidden stop that will get you to Layla. I hope this makes since! Bluesview From bluesview at comcast.net Mon Jan 17 12:52:31 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:52:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fwd: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 References: <20050116170002.41F6D8C316@six.pairlist.net><798c5cb60501161103123b1319@mail.gmail.com> <798c5cb605011611147e00431f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c4fcbd$517ab030$6501a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Deane" To: Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Fwd: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 > I found it. For some reason it was Title 4/Chapter 1 on my PC with > Windows Media Player 10. > > Norm > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Norm Deane > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:03:21 -0600 > Subject: Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > > > I've yet to find this hidden track. Others have indicated that the > hidden track is Title 2/Chapter 1 but on my disc Title 2/Chapter 1 is > Vishwa Mohan Bhatt. Are others having this problem? > > Norm > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:57 +0100 > > From: Etienne Genaux > > Subject: [Slowhand] Layla on crossroads fesival DVD > > To: > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > Did anyone know that Layla is hidden song on disc 2 of the crossroads > > festival DVD ? Just go to "extras", stay on "main" and push left button. The > > little "blue thing" (sorry im french) must not be viewable. Then oush enter > > and... > > > > Etienne. > > > > Norm, I just read this one and I use WINDVD. I chose Title 4/Chapter 1 (it was the last entry on the PLAYLIST) and I got Layla! Thanks for posting! Bluesview From bluesview at comcast.net Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] concert of hope References: <00b701c4fc07$a9226230$0202a8c0@dave> Message-ID: <003801c4fcc0$6df723d0$6501a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Dell" To: Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: [Slowhand] concert of hope > I found the Waters & Eric collaboration a disappointment. I was hoping to > hear something from Eric's vast catalog of songs. I realize this was more > about the cause than seeing my favorite muscian play something memorable, > but it was still a disappointment. > > Dave > > > My opinion of it, Eric would rather as play in a supporting roll. He has said numerous times how he enjoys NOT being the leader of the band, but being an equal player with the other musicians. And think about the situation. Eric and Waters somehow got together for the show on extremely short notice to play one song. There was no way Eric was going to play "Tears in Heaven". He's retired it and it would have been too sappy anyway. Eric is much more widely known worldwide that Waters and, at least I feel, it was the better choice to do one of Waters' songs. Also, Eric has been 'everywhere' in 2004 (cd, DVD, festival and numerous charities and special events) and he'll be at the big (Live Aid II?) event coming up. Plus it's just like Eric to support a good cause and shun the spotlight. Bluesview From guitarbob at valink.com Mon Jan 17 13:57:48 2005 From: guitarbob at valink.com (Bob) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:54:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream 2005 set-list prediction References: <5D622AE3.35D611C8.00955D93@aol.com> Message-ID: <0cd801c4fcc6$709a2190$9605a8c0@MCSESERVER.NET> INteresting setlist but with no lead solos longer than a minute, you are not going to get more than 45 minutes out of that list. Lawdy Mama is less than 3 minutes long, and a lot of the other songs are not more than 3 minutes long without solos. Spoonful with a solo of less than a minute? I suspect the songs will be done in a manner similar to how they were recorded originally.... In no particular order. Rolling and Tumbling Lawdy Mama Sunshine White Room Outside Woman Blues Politician Sitting On Top Of The World Born Under A Bad Sign Badge Crossroads (not the 60's version) Spoonful (surprise of the night) 3 new songs About 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hours. Most of the above EC has played since Cream. No lead solos more than about a minute. Also, wouldn't be surprised to see a keyboardist and 2nd guitar player. John From waaronl at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 13:56:38 2005 From: waaronl at yahoo.com (Aaron Little) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:56:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] NYE 2CD's & Hoot DVD distribution finalised Message-ID: <20050117185639.95994.qmail@web60406.mail.yahoo.com> I am in the U.S. How do I get setup to get a copy of this? Thanks! Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Mon Jan 17 14:58:40 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:59:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF2E7@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Using a DVD-player: 1. From the second DVD's MENU, select EXTRAS. 2. With your remote control (with a TOP, LEFT, RIGHT, BOTTOM and CENTRE round control - these are descriptive names, which may be different on respective models), move down to MAIN. 3. With MAIN highlighted by a BLUE square dot, select LEFT. 4. The BLUE square dot next to MAIN will disappear. 5. Then, select CENTRE. 6. Layla starts. Eric almost fluffs the solo when he becomes hesitant for a second after running out of fretboard. Nowhere near his greatest Layla solo, but interesting from a historical perspective to have a clear clean record of Doyle's Duane Allman slide on the second half. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Norm Deane [mailto:norm.deane@gmail.com] Sent: 16 January 2005 21:03 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38 I've yet to find this hidden track. Others have indicated that the hidden track is Title 2/Chapter 1 but on my disc Title 2/Chapter 1 is Vishwa Mohan Bhatt. Are others having this problem? Norm > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:57 +0100 > From: Etienne Genaux > Subject: [Slowhand] Layla on crossroads fesival DVD > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Did anyone know that Layla is hidden song on disc 2 of the crossroads > festival DVD ? Just go to "extras", stay on "main" and push left button. The > little "blue thing" (sorry im french) must not be viewable. Then oush enter > and... > > Etienne. > NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 14:54:24 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Mon Jan 17 15:00:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: World according to... In-Reply-To: <20050115170003.027398CF88@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: See my responses where you see AAP: >>ooohooh.. i liked it a lot so that must mean it's fact! Yes he may not >>have played that much slide, but just because you liked or that it was >>quality has no bearing as a fact. In fact, this is all subjective. << Wrong! You missed my point entirely. How can I be nostalgic for something that I enjoyed in the "here and now," that never happened 30-40 years ago? The notion that I enjoyed it may be subjective, but it's a fact that I enjoyed it. AAP: My point was to say that one man loving slide playing in the hear and now doesn't equate to that being one of Clapton's finest moments. Point taken. >>Your ideas are basically, from what I have read, that anyone who disagrees >>with you is attacking you personally. << Please don't tell me what my ideas are. You are wrong again. My ideas are what I write. When someone attempts to decipher my underlying motivations, they are not sticking to the points that I argue. I merely ask that the points I write be debated. Instead, you are attempting to peer into my mind via some kind of Internet Voodoo. Let's stick to the points I make about Eric Clapton's music: they may be right, they may be wrong, they may be subjective. But attacking the writer or his motivations is not civil debate, it's not "fighting fairly." When you do that, you dishonor yourself, and the readers see that you don't know how to debate or argue. Piling on is not civil discourse. AAP: For the record I never piled on. For the record, I don't need to psycho-analyze you or defend others or attack others who've disagreed with you or didn't like your "tone" in posts. Sure, disagreeing with your motivations is allowed and sometimes our motivations or how we percieve the world can taint our judgements. I am merely here to debate your points by saying, I agree with you on some aspects, but this is an emotional debate, and yes it seems at times it gets the better of all people. When someone writes, "you like to criticize Clapton," the subject becomes "you," not Eric Clapton. I would like the subject to remain "Clapton" or "Clapton's performance," or "Clapton's guitar playing." Instead, my motivations are questioned. Rather than discussing my motivations, I would like to have a civil discussion about Eric Clapton's music. There are some readers who know how to do this, and there are others who don't. AAP: Agreed. Let's talk about the music not posters who have axes to grind or those who get off on attacking. DeltaNick From blues4jr at aol.com Mon Jan 17 15:29:57 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 15:30:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Set list prediction comment by GuitarBob Message-ID: <7BEF8F1E.507AC0E7.00955D93@aol.com> GuitarBob wrote: "INteresting setlist but with no lead solos longer than a minute, you are not going to get more than 45 minutes out of that list. Lawdy Mama is less than 3 minutes long, and a lot of the other songs are not more than 3 minutes long without solos. Spoonful with a solo of less than a minute? I suspect the songs will be done in a manner similar to how they were recorded originally...." Here was my set list prediction post: "In no particular order. Rolling and Tumbling Lawdy Mama Sunshine White Room Outside Woman Blues Politician Sitting On Top Of The World Born Under A Bad Sign Badge Crossroads (not the 60's version) Spoonful (surprise of the night) 3 new songs About 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hours. Most of the above EC has played since Cream. No lead solos more than about a minute. Also, wouldn't be surprised to see a keyboardist and 2nd guitar player." ***GuitarBob - when was the last time you saw, or heard, a true guitar solo by EC that lasted more than about a minute? Other than maybe Old Love. I don't even think HYELW goes that long steadily. This was my tongue-in-cheek way of saying EC would stay in his safe zone. There will be jamming and there will be solos. But we are not going to see Cream of 2005 venturing off into 15 minute freelance jams. No 16 minute Spoonful. No 15 minute Sweet Wine. No 13 minute Steppin Out. Believe me, I hope I am wrong... John From lskett at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 16:07:26 2005 From: lskett at yahoo.com (Lskett) Date: Mon Jan 17 16:07:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] CREAM Tickets.... Message-ID: <20050117210726.14475.qmail@web30910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> www.latestevents.com www.getmetickets.net Seems many sites are getting ready to sell tickets for CREAM in May ..... ===== ================================================================= Only you can be yourself. No one else is qualified for the job. ================================================================= From bluesview at comcast.net Mon Jan 17 17:02:12 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Mon Jan 17 17:02:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream 2005 set-list prediction References: <5D622AE3.35D611C8.00955D93@aol.com> <0cd801c4fcc6$709a2190$9605a8c0@MCSESERVER.NET> Message-ID: <002e01c4fce0$33220d40$6501a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "slowhand" Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Slowhand] Cream 2005 set-list prediction > INteresting setlist but with no lead solos longer than a minute, you are not > going to get more than 45 minutes out of that list. Lawdy Mama is less than > 3 minutes long, and a lot of the other songs are not more than 3 minutes > long without solos. Spoonful with a solo of less than a minute? I suspect > the songs will be done in a manner similar to how they were recorded > originally.... > > > > > > In no particular order. > > Rolling and Tumbling > Lawdy Mama > Sunshine > White Room > Outside Woman Blues > Politician > Sitting On Top Of The World > Born Under A Bad Sign > Badge > Crossroads (not the 60's version) > Spoonful (surprise of the night) > 3 new songs > > About 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hours. Most of the above EC has played since Cream. No > lead solos more than about a minute. Also, wouldn't be surprised to see a > keyboardist and 2nd guitar player. > > John > > > > Just adding to what has been said... "In my opinion", I would think they would at least try to play the songs somewhere to how they were originally played, not exactly, but with that influence. The reason I say this is I believe when most people heard or will hear of the reunion they will be thinking of the '60's version of Cream. Well, at least that is what came to my mind. I could see them tweaking them, if not for maturity of the artists, I'm thinking they also don't want to play the same way. They could just chunk it all and say "go buy the record!". I pretty sure they will also be gearing it towards the making of (or the direction of the producers) the resulting CD and DVD. Of course, there is a lot of "extras" they can (and I hope they do) use to put on the DVD. I would like to see how they get along in between takes, practicing, and how they interact with each other on a personal level. After all, they created an extremely important, if short, part of music history with world wide influence that continues today. Personally, if each one is up to it, I'd love to see/hear extended solos from each of them. Yes, they would be different because they players are different people now, about 35 years later. I also believe they could possibly improve some parts or songs with this maturity. Flip the coin and maybe they may not be able to rise the level of playing they were at long, long ago. As for Eric, I'm hoping he's pushed, and pushed hard by Jack and Ginger, in the hopes he'll cut loose and solo out of the formatic spots he has played for quiet a while. {I'm not putting that formula down!}But, to get back to a looser, quasi-jazzed feel. This will be the last time they will be playing together, at least in this type of format (not counting reunions at the old folks home!) They could put all they have into a one last, historically significant page in the history books. It's a daunting task. An unlikely task. But...... if the pull it off, we'll all be slack-jawed for quiet a while. If it fails, there will be no CD or DVD. And for the fortunate few who see the show live, a disappointment that will be referred to when another performer tries to attempt a similar project. I believe which ever way it goes it will alter the future of Eric's work. I feel he could so easily just decide to "hang it up", and that's so difficult for me to fathom. I remember when Hendrix died it was unreal. He had so much to give and I loved his work. Selfishly, I felt so robbed! Eric has been so much a part of my musical life, not to mention similar interest in cars, etc. I feel there's so much riding on this, if it doesn't come together for the musicians, they will (and should) drop it and drop it for all time and go their separate ways and continue their separate careers. A failure will affect Eric the most. He's got the most at stake. This wouldn't be happening in the first place with out Eric being into it. And if it doesn't happen, that will most likely (barring ego issues) be at Eric whim. Here's to hoping we and Cream will produce something wonderful and memorable!!! Bluesview P.S. Regarding other players being added.... I think it will be a sure thing. Yes, you rightfully can say "that wouldn't be Cream!" and you'd be right. But, I think it's necessary for today's version of Cream. And I wouldn't mind seeing Stevie Winwood in the mix. I feel that would be a big plus. Stevie is such a multitalented, world-class musician as well as a world-class person. He's certainly got the undeniable "cred" for such an occasion and the talent to add to the event, not just another "celebrity" showing up for presence's sake. From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 23:33:07 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Mon Jan 17 23:33:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Feelin' Lucky? Message-ID: <20050118043307.56084.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Paging Lucky Crumpler. Will Lucky Crumpler please pick up the blue phone at the courtesy desk. Thanks! AG PS Coming in the next few days ... a VERY special DVD offer to the group ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Tue Jan 18 13:44:43 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Tue Jan 18 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] CREAM Tickets.... Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF343@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Mmmmmm, I see getmetickets.net are offering tickets to this unique event where we'll see a left-anded Clapton. Cool, or kewl, or however you spell it these days. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Lskett [mailto:lskett@yahoo.com] Sent: 17 January 2005 23:07 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] CREAM Tickets.... www.latestevents.com www.getmetickets.net Seems many sites are getting ready to sell tickets for CREAM in May ..... ===== ================================================================= Only you can be yourself. No one else is qualified for the job. ================================================================= NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Tue Jan 18 14:14:47 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Tue Jan 18 14:02:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] longest recent solo In-Reply-To: <20050118170002.E3D338D086@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <0a0501c4fd91$fa7344c0$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> last tour, sheriff solo went just over 3 minutes..... regards sam ------------------------------------------------------------------ ***GuitarBob - when was the last time you saw, or heard, a true guitar solo by EC that lasted more than about a minute? Other than maybe Old Love. I don't even think HYELW goes that long steadily. This was my tongue-in-cheek way of saying EC would stay in his safe zone. There will be jamming and there will be solos. But we are not going to see Cream of 2005 venturing off into 15 minute freelance jams. No 16 minute Spoonful. No 15 minute Sweet Wine. No 13 minute Steppin Out. Believe me, I hope I am wrong... John From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Tue Jan 18 14:20:53 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Tue Jan 18 14:08:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] woking/jools reoffer closed Message-ID: <0a0601c4fd92$d49d07d0$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> winners: non-burners: dave gourlay susan marchman burners: mark deavult dave langley nick aleshin out sambo8 ********************************************************** The shortest sentence is "I am." The longest sentence is "I DO!!" From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Tue Jan 18 14:21:08 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Tue Jan 18 14:25:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream setlist Message-ID: Hello everyone! Well, before anything, if you think there's no long solos anymore in EC's playing, just look at "sheriff", sure you'll change you're mind. Then, i'm not sure that "badge" will be played in next may, 'cause unlike "white room", it sounds more as an EC song than a Cream one. Obviously, "Sunshine of your love", "crossroads", but i bet "Strange Brew" will be there, or even "toad". But let the surprise for May... Etienne From Paulezyrider at aol.com Tue Jan 18 15:00:47 2005 From: Paulezyrider at aol.com (Paulezyrider@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 15:01:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fwd: Cream shows Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Paulezyrider@aol.com Subject: Cream shows Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:28 EST Size: 2779 Url: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050118/247034ed/attachment.mht From david_langley at btconnect.com Tue Jan 18 15:10:56 2005 From: david_langley at btconnect.com (Dave Langley) Date: Tue Jan 18 15:12:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton approached to headline Glastonbury Festival 2007 Message-ID: <005c01c4fd99$d29c51a0$da3e27d9@p2j6t4> On our local TV news this evening Michael Eavis the organiser of the Glastonbury festival has confirmed that there will be no festival in 2006. However, for the 2007 event he has approached Eric Clapton to be one of the headliners. In 2004, Paul McCartney and Oasis were two of the headline acts. Regards Dave From gwornex at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 15:54:57 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Tue Jan 18 15:55:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: digitech crossroads pedal Message-ID: <20050118205457.45531.qmail@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011b01c4fda6$73baffd0$978c29d8@Kelly> How long would most expect Spoonful to be nowadays? Maybe the fans and Eric should compromise on 16 minute songs being no shorter than 10 minutes. lol Kelly -------------------------- My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Set list prediction comment by GuitarBob > GuitarBob wrote: > > "INteresting setlist but with no lead solos longer than a minute, you are > not going to get more than 45 minutes out of that list. Lawdy Mama is less > than 3 minutes long, and a lot of the other songs are not more than 3 > minutes long without solos. Spoonful with a solo of less than a minute? I > suspect > the songs will be done in a manner similar to how they were recorded > originally...." > > Here was my set list prediction post: > > "In no particular order. > > Rolling and Tumbling > Lawdy Mama > Sunshine > White Room > Outside Woman Blues > Politician > Sitting On Top Of The World > Born Under A Bad Sign > Badge > Crossroads (not the 60's version) > Spoonful (surprise of the night) > 3 new songs > > About 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hours. Most of the above EC has played since Cream. > No > lead solos more than about a minute. Also, wouldn't be surprised to see a > keyboardist and 2nd guitar player." > > ***GuitarBob - when was the last time you saw, or heard, a true guitar > solo by EC that lasted more than about a minute? Other than maybe Old > Love. I don't even think HYELW goes that long steadily. This was my > tongue-in-cheek way of saying EC would stay in his safe zone. There will > be jamming and there will be solos. But we are not going to see Cream of > 2005 venturing off into 15 minute freelance jams. No 16 minute Spoonful. > No 15 minute Sweet Wine. No 13 minute Steppin Out. Believe me, I hope I > am wrong... > > John > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Tue Jan 18 16:41:50 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Tue Jan 18 16:42:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] CREAM Tickets.... References: <20050117210726.14475.qmail@web30910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011c01c4fda6$85682550$978c29d8@Kelly> Has anyone used sites before for purchasing ticket packages? How good are they? Kelly ------------------ My EC Forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lskett" To: Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [Slowhand] CREAM Tickets.... > www.latestevents.com > > www.getmetickets.net > > Seems many sites are getting ready to sell tickets for CREAM in May ..... > > ===== > ================================================================= > Only you can be yourself. No one else is qualified for the job. > ================================================================= > > From crossrodes at earthlink.net Tue Jan 18 17:50:38 2005 From: crossrodes at earthlink.net (Larry Jackson) Date: Tue Jan 18 17:50:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] It is a CREAM reunion folks... Message-ID: <5F1FFAE0-69A3-11D9-A133-000A95737460@earthlink.net> No Stevie Winwood, Stevie Wonder, Stevie Nicks, well - only if she wears the nightgowns ; )!!! No ?special guests? unless someone can dig up Felix. Just **THE CREAM** dammit! Larry-> anything else curdles * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Cream back together in ?05! Clapton is the deity of your choice. From iampigpen at comcast.net Tue Jan 18 18:12:37 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Tue Jan 18 18:11:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 42 References: <20050118225044.3A54C8CC5F@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <006201c4fdb3$372ebe00$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Hey Dave How you doin? Mark and myself want to know if you're ready to put us up for the Cream shows !! LOL Seriously, us southern boys aren't sure about comin to England and getting tix. What do you think? We both went to the Crossroads Festival and had a friggin blast! Sincerely Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 42 > Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: CREAM Tickets.... (Kevin Wilson) > 2. longest recent solo (Sam Mangano) > 3. woking/jools reoffer closed (Sam Mangano) > 4. Cream setlist (Etienne Genaux) > 5. Fwd: Cream shows (Paulezyrider@aol.com) > 6. Clapton approached to headline Glastonbury Festival 2007 > (Dave Langley) > 7. re: digitech crossroads pedal (Greg Wenker) > 8. Re: Set list prediction comment... (Kelly Murphy) > 9. Re: CREAM Tickets.... (Kelly Murphy) > 10. It is a CREAM reunion folks... (Larry Jackson) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > From iampigpen at comcast.net Tue Jan 18 18:51:07 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Tue Jan 18 18:50:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 42 References: <20050118225044.3A54C8CC5F@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <007e01c4fdb8$97fbfc20$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Earlier post sent to wrong place sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 42 > Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: CREAM Tickets.... (Kevin Wilson) > 2. longest recent solo (Sam Mangano) > 3. woking/jools reoffer closed (Sam Mangano) > 4. Cream setlist (Etienne Genaux) > 5. Fwd: Cream shows (Paulezyrider@aol.com) > 6. Clapton approached to headline Glastonbury Festival 2007 > (Dave Langley) > 7. re: digitech crossroads pedal (Greg Wenker) > 8. Re: Set list prediction comment... (Kelly Murphy) > 9. Re: CREAM Tickets.... (Kelly Murphy) > 10. It is a CREAM reunion folks... (Larry Jackson) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > From darmel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 18 20:52:33 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Tue Jan 18 20:52:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Cream Setlist Message-ID: <20050119015233.11556.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> The encore: Spoonful, Spoonful, Spoooonful! :-) Mel >...Obviously, "Sunshine of your love", "crossroads", but i bet "Strange Brew" will be >there, or even "toad". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050118/6fe3519c/attachment.html From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Wed Jan 19 07:06:22 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Wed Jan 19 07:06:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Boots searching Message-ID: Hi everyone! I'm currently searching for the cleveland 2004 show and for the good Friday one. Does anyone could help me ? Etienne From Stallknecht at t-online.de Wed Jan 19 10:48:32 2005 From: Stallknecht at t-online.de (Stallknecht@t-online.de) Date: Wed Jan 19 10:48:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets Message-ID: <1CrI4O-1WGkWe0@cmpmail10.bbul.t-online.de> A german EC site (www.clapton.de) says the tickets go on sale on monday, the 31st of January 9 am. From crocketo at tele2adsl.dk Wed Jan 19 11:51:23 2005 From: crocketo at tele2adsl.dk (Kristian Frellsen) Date: Wed Jan 19 11:51:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff Concert saturday. In-Reply-To: <20050118225045.743FE8CCF6@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Hi again :-) Does anyone know if there is an internet-radio station that webcasts the whole of the concert? I've tried finding some info on bbc.co.uk, but it appears that they (bbc) will webcast it over different radio-channels and none of them the whole concert. Can this be true? Thanks Kristian From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Wed Jan 19 13:42:53 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Wed Jan 19 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] cleveland 2004 show In-Reply-To: <20050119170005.66FDC8C852@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <004301c4fe56$afd28af0$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> there is at least 1 version out there, with the one i heard lousy and in the trash....be warned!! a shame since it was such a great performance (although a little short of the tremendous effort in columbus 2 nites later). cya sam From Slowhandnj at comcast.net Wed Jan 19 13:56:59 2005 From: Slowhandnj at comcast.net (ToeKneeF) Date: Wed Jan 19 13:50:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on TV Message-ID: <41EEAD7B.5040206@comcast.net> EC will be making a few appearances on America's TV screens in the coming weeks: Biography Channel - Biography - Updated look at EC's life & career Wed., Jan. 19, 9:00 p.m. EST and Thurs., Jan 20, 1:00 a.m. EST Starz!Cinema - Tommy: The Movie - Sat., Jan. 22, 10:05 a.m. EST and Wed., Jan. 26, 4:35 a.m. EST Sundance Channel - Tom Dowd and the Language of Music - EXCELLENT SHOW......MUST SEE...T Mon., Jan. 24, 12:00 p.m. (noon) and 7:30 p.m. EST Sat., Jan. 29, 12:30 p.m., and Sun., Jan. 30, 5:00 a.m. EST The Movie Channel - The Last Waltz - Sat., Jan. 29, 7:05 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. EST -- "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. From cdonatto at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 14:08:21 2005 From: cdonatto at yahoo.com (Cheryl Donatto) Date: Wed Jan 19 14:08:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Trying to reach (again).... Message-ID: <20050119190821.56261.qmail@web54401.mail.yahoo.com> John Lesage... Haven't heard back from you. Please email me at my work account. ObserverComp@hcnonline.com CherylD (Sorry for using this forum... but seems my yahoo account is having trouble receiving emails from out of the USA lately) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From blues4jr at aol.com Wed Jan 19 21:29:01 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 19 21:29:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] 3 minute solo in Sheriff 2004 Message-ID: <16082522.476A389B.00955D93@aol.com> You are right, Sam. EC does play the guitar for a little over 3 minutes in the middle of Sheriff. I pulled out a couple different 2004 shows and listened. The first 2 minutes is leisurely playing and the last minute, or so, he cranks it up. In my opinion, it is about a minute solo. I stand by my original opinion that during the reunion we will not see/hear EC cook like that for more than about a minute, and only on a couple/few songs. In the 1960's Cream was the epitomy of improv and soloing. The EC we see today does not improv like that. And when he does it is very calculated and "safe". Again, I hope I am wrong and he blows the friggin roof off of the RAH. John From Cobhome at aol.com Thu Jan 20 00:16:05 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 20 00:16:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Message-ID: <195.36e82ed0.2f209895@aol.com> I think part of the fun of the Cream reunion is all the anticipation - so set list speculations add to it all - I am wondering if they will try some new material - or perhaps =- give a cream treatment to material they have done since going on their own - Jack has worked on some interesting projects over the last few years and so a few of his later songs might be included - and I'd expect some blues standards to be added - I regretfully shall not be able to go - so - those of you who will be able to attend must promise to take notes and share the experience with the rest of us! Please! Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050120/7eba2174/attachment.html From cdonatto at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 09:22:41 2005 From: cdonatto at yahoo.com (cdonatto@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Jan 20 09:22:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] ripleyncigs926 sent you this eBay item: Eric Clapton Phone Cards (#6147495464) Message-ID: <2034939307.1106230961828.JavaMail.ebayapp@sj-v3conta02> ----------------------------------------------------------------- ripleyncigs926 sent you this eBay item. Personal message: I saw this item for sale on eBay and thought that someone on the list might be interested. View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D6147495464%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=888801 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Clapton Phone Cards Item number: 6147495464 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: ripleyncigs926(0) Member since Jan-12-05 in United States Starting bid: US $10.00 (Reserve not met) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 4 days 17 hours 7-day listing Ends Jan-25-0500:00:00 PST Item location: Raywood, TX United States Ships to: Worldwide ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary This set of 5 cards was issued in 1997 by Winterland Productions. (See scan of front of cards.) These phone cards were produced by P&J Promotions of England. All of the phone cards were made in a numbered limited edition set of 1,000 (This set is #234). The phone cards have never been activated. Each card has a different photo of Clapton on the front. The back of each card is identical -- giving information on how to use the card (see scan of back sample). Each phone card came with an 11.75 inch by 8.25 inch size display, designed to hold the cards. The same photo that is on the phone card is also on it?s corresponding display. The inside of the display has the photo full-size. The outside of the display has the same photo at half-size. The other half has the contact information for P&J Promotions and shows the limited edition information. The display is designed to be folded in half, however these have never been folded. All of the items are in MINT condition. Plus.. there?s a bonus phone card! This one was issued in Japan (not sure if it?s been activated and used). It?s the one that has the following wording on the front: ?EClapton. New Ascot. Honda. Primo.? See the scan of the back samples. The one that is gray is the back of the Japanese phone card. It does not come with a display. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Protect yourself from Spoof (fake) emails. Learn More at http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial. You are receiving this email because the sender thought you would be interested in this eBay item. You can report this message as unwanted (spam) email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. Learn more about spam email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html and User Agreement at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html if you have any questions. Copyright ? 2005 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. 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I know, I read it here on the Digest :-) Cheers, Richard there is at least 1 version out there, with the one i heard lousy and in the trash....be warned!! a shame since it was such a great performance (although a little short of the tremendous effort in columbus 2 nites later). cya sam --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050120/ac3f7f61/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 11:24:38 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Thu Jan 20 11:25:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] waters/ec link In-Reply-To: <20050120142246.45E108CDB8@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: courtesy of snogod at www.claptonweb.com http://www.nungaboy.com/rog/nbcrog.html From crocketo at tele2adsl.dk Thu Jan 20 12:17:24 2005 From: crocketo at tele2adsl.dk (Kristian Frellsen) Date: Thu Jan 20 12:17:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] waters/ec link In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone got a better one than this? I downloaded it several days ago off some obscure Pink Floyd site and removed the background noise. But still it's in quite lousy quality. Especially ECs playing is very distinct. /Kristian -----Original Message----- From: Apurva Parikh [mailto:apuraja8@hotmail.com] Sent: 20. januar 2005 17:25 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] waters/ec link courtesy of snogod at www.claptonweb.com http://www.nungaboy.com/rog/nbcrog.html From rdh at optimum-power.com Thu Jan 20 14:31:39 2005 From: rdh at optimum-power.com (Roy D. Houston) Date: Thu Jan 20 14:31:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tracking Down Masters Message-ID: <1B5020F2D5CDC641ACF55BB56CAACC200250FC@OPTMSG01.optimum-power.com> Hello all, When the world was young, tape trading was something a bit more esoteric. You see, it required quite a bit more than right-clicking a torrent file to be able to enjoy shows. Instead of the great internet mass of downloaders, you had a considerably smaller but more zealous group of underground music lovers that sought out new material through (gasp!) snail mail. This was how I first started and how I got first gens of the D&D Fillmore East audience show. The taper was from New York and taped every Fillmore East show that he went to - in always the same seat! He had a great list of masters (I remember Badfinger being one of them) with a little story behind them all. These papers I have tucked away somewhere in the depths of my disorganized rubble. I have been thinking about this lately. It seems that other fan groups of other 60s/70s bands work very hard to procure masters or 1st gens of material for the common good of other fans. (Of course, often its for the common good of bootleggers.) Led Zeppelin has the legendary Mike Milliard tapes from California, who faked a paralysis so that he could get excellent seats in a wheelchair where he tucked a reel-to-reel underneath to record the shows (he taped many others including Pink Floyd and Yes). There is, of course, the Heylin book 'Bootleg'. And, many of you are probably aware of Ken and Judy Lee who recorded *every* show at a Port Chester, NY venue where they worked. There has been, since September 2003, an effort called 'The Port Chester Restoration Project' that is slowly releasing these shows after carefully extracting the tapes to the digital domain. I believe that they have released three so far, the first being a Janis Joplin show. It is my hope that this is the source of the widely circulated D&D show and that one day we will get to hear it straight from the master tapes. Has anyone in this group attempted to track down old masters? or know of anyone who has?? It seems that, when it comes to EC, there is really no one attempting to track down the source of older tapes (hats off to Almighty Geetarz for keeping track of the vast array of newly recorded sources). I would love to hear any stories that any of this group has along the lines of my D&D Fillmore taper story. Does anyone know if there is a published list (internet source, maybe?) of the schedule for the Port Chester restoration Project?? Thanks for listening and please post your experiences, Roy From texasbluboy at houston.rr.com Fri Jan 21 00:36:53 2005 From: texasbluboy at houston.rr.com (TexasBluBoy) Date: Fri Jan 21 00:36:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Not Too Old To Rock-N-Roll Message-ID: <41F094F5.30F32FFB@houston.rr.com> Hello all, usually I lurk for the most part as I don't enjoy all of the flamin' that happens when someone writes an E-Letter that don't hold a popular opinion, but, I've been reading all of these letter's about Eric, Ginger and Jack and their health may hold them back from really stretching out and rocking. I don't know much about Jack and Ginger, but, I haven't heard of Eric having any particular problems with his health in the last few years, so I really can't see why he couldn't put the pedal to the metal and let her rip? A few years ago, I went to a show of Taj Mahal, he was doing a tour for old bluesmen and women to help them with money for them and their health and putting a roof over their heads. There was a elderly black harmonica player that had, had his arm ripped off by a farm machine when he was only 12 years old there. He was in his early to mid 80's as I recall, the names of all these great musicians escape me, but, they had to literally carry this man out to his seat, where he played some of the hottest harmonica that I've ever heard blown! If he was disabled and in his fading years, Eric is a good 20 years younger has all his limbs, and faculties, so I don't see how he couldn't hold his own, and maybe scream a 2 hour show out for the 4 or 5 nights at the RAH. I played with a Zydeco band here in Pasadena, Texas a few years ago, and a man in that band that played guitar for them was 76 years old. I played second lead, and rhythm guitar and I am only 50 years old, this man put me to shame as he stood on his head and played some hot lead guitar. When he finished everyone hollered for me to follow him. I just shrugged my shoulders and told them that I was too old to do that!!!! I was 44 or 45 at the time..... So, I don't think it's the age that would hold Eric back. For the most part the songs that he's been doing for the last ???? years, don't allow for much fast guitar, and I think that is his choice not his age or his health. Ginger I think I've read has had some health problems in the past, but, if he is in good enough health to play drums, he should be able to do his thang now. Maybe arthritis may hurt a bit, or his back from the constant grinding on his back and ass, but, other than that, I think he could hold his drumming. I don't believe, but, I could be wrong but, I don't think he will do Toad? I think Toad is the name of the drum solo that he used to do. Although I loved Cream and that era of music a lot, I am old enough the only thing that bothers me at times is my memory. Jack, ?????? I know very little about him since he left Cream. If they could all just get so pissed at each other like back in the day, that, I think is what drove the fire in their songs and their personality clashes almost every night. My God I would love to hear Eric do Crossroads with out it being an acoustic number, and at least let it sizzle a bit. I feel like they will at least try to sound something like they used to, but, not many people know this, but, I have been wrong a time or two in my life. So, now, here I go back to my reading the digest and gleaning what tidbits I can enjoy from it about Eric and his music. Peace, Love and Music to all of y'all, may we rock and roll till the day we go to the great gig in the sky. Cheers, Daniel"TexasBluBoy"Kimball From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Fri Jan 21 09:42:58 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Fri Jan 21 09:43:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC & No Stiletto Shoes [Pictures - 18 Dec 2004] Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF3FA@sunwex01.arivia.kom> http://www.procolharum.com/004/shoes_chiddingfold--041218-hv.htm Some good Clapton action shots with 'Brownie' from 18 Dec 2004. Kevin NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <002b01c4ffda$136d4c60$0200a8c0@debslong> Message-ID: <005101c4ffdc$0614c910$0200a8c0@debslong> Sorry to post twice, I only just found this other link : The BBC are also doing a live videocast on the web http://www.bbc.co.uk/tsunamireliefcardiff > Kristian Asked : > > > Does anyone know if there is an internet-radio station that webcasts the > > whole of the concert? Then I said : > Radio Wales are broadcasting the gig in it's entirety - there's a live link > to their broadcasts here : > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/radiowales/ > From slowhand at salisbury.net Fri Jan 21 18:40:59 2005 From: slowhand at salisbury.net (Steve Proctor) Date: Fri Jan 21 18:48:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hubert Sumlin CD Message-ID: <006b01c50013$cb37fd70$588952a6@HOME> I was fortunate enough to receive an advance copy of the new Hubert Sumlin CD, "About Them Shoes." (Thanks, Richard!) The CD will be released on January 25. These comments are unsolicited. I think this release will be of interest to EC fans. Of the 13 songs on the CD, seven were written by Muddy Waters and four were written by Willie Dixon. Add to that a core band featuring a former Howling Wolf guitarist (Sumlin), a former Muddy Waters guitarist (Bob Margolin), a former member of the Band (Levon Helm on drums) and others well-versed in the blues. Then there are the big names. James Cotton does a fine job playing harmonica on "She's Into Something." I particularly enjoyed Keith Richards version of "Still A Fool," which seems like an "imitation is the greatest form of flattery" tribute to Muddy Waters. Keith is more in the background on "I Love The Life I Live, I Live The Life I Love" and "This Is The End, Little Girl." Eric Clapton starts the album with "I'm Ready" and later plays slide on "Long Distance Call." Unlike a lot of his contributions to the albums of other musicians, Clapton is prominently featured on these tracks. He sings on both tracks. His solos are tasty but tasteful. You won't be blown away like the second solo of "Crossroads" or "Come Back Baby" from the Reptile album, but you won't have to strain to pick out Clapton's contributions, either. It is hard for me to tell with certainty which guitar parts are from Hubert Sumlin since other guitarists are on each track. Still, what I think are his guitar licks are quite good. Given enough time, I could play his licks, but I could probably not learn his subtle nuances. If I were playing lead for a band, it would never occur to me to play what he does when he does. Hubert Sumlin sings on one track. While he does an adequate job, it is not his forte. The other vocalists (George Receli, Nathaniel Peterson, Blondie Chaplin, Paul Oscher, David Johansen, and, yes, Eric Clapton and Keith Richards) do an excellent job. In other Hubert Sumlin matters, I am dismayed that Robert Cray's introduction of him at the Crossroads Guitar Festival was edited! Left on the cutting room floor was his observation "He's one of your favorites, too, but you may not know it" and ME responding by yelling out "HUBERT!!!" Oh well, I can relive my 15 milliseconds of fame with my unofficial recording... From n.seidenberg at comcast.net Fri Jan 21 19:33:59 2005 From: n.seidenberg at comcast.net (Noah Seidenberg) Date: Fri Jan 21 19:34:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Ticket buyers in the UK Message-ID: <20050122003431.08A298C794@six.pairlist.net> I really want to go to London and see Cream. I have never been out of the USA besides Canada. I want to make the trip and see 2 nights and then tour England. I feel sort of scared buying the tickets from the scalper's sites. Can one of you good people in England or Europe give me and us some advice on how we should buy the tickets? I am willing to pay top dollar for this once in a life time chance to see the power trio at RAH. Noah Seidenberg May 5yh is my Birthday, its gonna be a gift to myself and family. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050121/ce22ca2b/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 22:21:50 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Fri Jan 21 22:21:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tracking Down Masters Message-ID: <20050122032150.78960.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> When the world was young, tape trading was something a bit more esoteric. You see, it required quite a bit more than right-clicking a torrent file to be able to enjoy shows. *snip* I have been thinking about this lately. It seems that other fan groups of other 60s/70s bands work very hard to procure masters or 1st gens of material for the common good of other fans. (Of course, often its for the common good of bootleggers.) Has anyone in this group attempted to track down old masters? or know of anyone who has?? It seems that, when it comes to EC, there is really no one attempting to track down the source of older tapes (hats off to Almighty Geetarz for keeping track of the vast array of newly recorded sources). ------------ Roy, All organizations have an identity, a vibe, a feel. And the sad fact is, that although there have been big changes in the EC world due to the efforts of many, there are still far too many WEIRD ec tapers/hoarders. Yes, you are correct. For instance in the Floyd world, the serious collectors all work together to find the best quality, remaster it, and then distribute it for free. There are those of us who are doing this in the EC circles, but it's an uphill battle. You want stories? How about the big EC traders who have both "public" and "private" trading lists? One of those chowderheards sent me the "private" list by mistake - and then claimed not to have any such list when I inquired about some of the masters. I can name off a number of EC tapers all of whom deliberately degrade copies they send out off their masters, or even better still cut out a song or a portion of one, so they will be the only one with the "complete" show. Think about it - you can name off any number of shows where this has been done. Want to talk D & D? Okay, let's be honest. Even most dedicated EC fans don't particularly care for aud recs, and especially don't care for 35 year old ones. You're talking a couple thousand people out of four billion who would enjoy these recordings - but THAT can't happen, because these strange, twisted people won't let their tapes out. Why? I don't know. I love music - and especially the music of Eric Clapton - because it touches me in a way that nothing else does. And more importantly than the music, I've met some of my best friends and had some of the best times of my life with friends I've met through music - EC's music. In my book, music should bring people together, people who might otherwise not have much in common. But so many of these "collectors" (I hate that word), don't see it that way. To them it's a competition. Even worse than those people, are the "secret society" types. These guys will send you a copy, but you have to "promise" not to share it with anyone. How f&(&%Tg weird is that? I've never been smart enough to understand the "rules" for this sort of thing. Is the decision made by how many shows you've been to, or how long you've been a fan, or what criteria? I've spent plenty of time wondering about this, but have never really understood what is at work here, what the motivation is. I sure hope someone explains it to me someday, 'cause I still don't understand. Some of these guys never will get it. One legendary taper died unexpectedly last year. He wouldn't let out a number of his shows because, and this is a direct quote, "then everyone will have them!". Like that is the most awful thing ever, that an EC fan would actually be able to enjoy a show, something that, let's face it, you could hand out for free at the mall and people would drop it in the trash. So now, I am guessing that those shows were just tossed out by his family. Stories? I've got plenty. How about the jerk who had a nice master video from an EC show, and wouldn't let anyone copy it? He played it over and over - until he finally ruined it, now no one will ever enjoy it. Or the weirdo who has a rare tape of the Legends performance, something that, again, to be honest most EC fans still won't even care about. Some friends and I offered to buy the tape, and then pass it out for free to the group. But NO! That can never happen. The only way to watch it is to lock yourself in a room, put the shades down, and watch it in your special underwear I guess. Methinks the money would be better spent on psychotherapy ... So if you wanna know where a lot of the masters are, you gotta know where they are, and for what reasons they won't be let out. You want a good story? I can beat wheelchairs... ANDY ! Do you still sub? Tell them about the bag of popcorn !!! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 22:40:37 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Fri Jan 21 22:40:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tracking Down Masters #2 Message-ID: <20050122034037.35873.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> And speaking of tracking down masters, I must be part bloodhound. You see, some kind soul was nice enough to video the Paris 2004 show - a good thing, too, since this was (in my opinion) one of the finer performances of the tour. OOPS! Maybe it wasn't a good thing. You see, this wasn't a "public" video. You weren't allowed to talk about it. Of course any number of people felt compelled to write, tell you how good it was, but then say "oh, but I can't copy it". See what I mean about how f-d up some people's ideas about music are? And then of course there were the offers - you can have a copy of this show, but ONLY if you PROMISE not to copy it, and PROMISE not to list it. Of course I refuse these offers. Some people just don't have enough going on in their lives, I guess, so they have to add drama. Me, I can't keep track of stuff already, much less try to determine the criteria for who gets what. But, interestingly, because I have low friends in low places, I just happened to get a copy of this DVD. And - this is the fun part - I didn't make ANY promises about not sharing it. Now, from what I have told you, you would guess that I would be an incredible A$$H0!E if I were to offer a copy of this DVD up to the group for free. Won't that just put someone's little panties in a twist, and just ruin their little secret club? Heck, a suicide might even result, due to despair at the fact that EC fans outside the "secret circle" got to watch the show. I can only imagine the horror that will result from ... ugh ! ... "real" fans being able to enjoy something that rightfully belongs to the appointed "special" EC collectors. So I won't offer out a copy of the DVD. That would be wrong. Instead - I've made *25* copies, and will hand them out like candy. First copy goes to someone who promises to put it up on a download site so - GASP!!! - even more people can obtain it. The other copies go to anyone who promises to share copies. No games, no secret handshake, no promises, no secret EC decoder ring, no BULL$H!T. Just the music. And ain't that what this is supposed to be about? This is a PAL format DVD, make sure you can view this. I've already begun the process of conversion and - GASP!!! - will author an NTSC version for those who are PAL-challenged, but this may take a couple weeks. Anyone who wants on the bandwagon, please email 'geetarz@geetarz.org'. Please do NOT reply to this Yahoo! account as I only use it under duress to participate in the SD. Perhaps the burnerless among us can contribute by helping to set up grief counseling sessions for those in the "secret club" that will be traumatized by this senseless act of sharing. I hope you feel their pain ... I do Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 23:01:15 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Fri Jan 21 23:01:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The Whistle Taper Message-ID: <20050122040115.79291.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> Anecdotes? There are a lot of cool tapers who have worked very hard to see their tapes shared - a number of them sub to this mailing list. One of the more interesting stories I've encountered is about the infamous "whistle taper" who recorded many shows in the 70s. Listen to a number of those early EC tapes - and you'll hear a police whistle. Here's part of a note I received from an anonymous writer, who unfortunately I haven't heard from again. This was in regards to the New Orleans '74 recording : "I'm doing research on the fellow who made this tape and also recorded EC on 11/11/76 in Baton Rouge. Here are some of the errors on your page: #1 - The show was actually on 7/31/74. #2. There was no wag near the taper yelling "Allright Legs!" It was the taper himself. #3. It also was the taper who had the police whistle. #4. The comments about Purple Haze were made by the taper also. Also you have a very high gen copy of this tape, as prior to the taper resurfacing very recently, nobody had copies directly from the master. Obviously you mustn't be in possession a copy of the low gen version. Otherwise, you'd know this show is a composite of 2 master tapes made by the same taper. Do you actually know any of the story behind this recording? Otherwise, you'd have known that the same infamous whistle taper also made these boots: Led Zeppelin 2/28/75 Rolling Stones 6/1/75 (6 PM Show) Rolling Stones 6/1/75 (9 PM Show) Rolling Stones 8/2/75 Rolling Stones 6/27/72 Alice Cooper 4/26/73 Alice Cooper 6/7/75 Aerosmith 7/26/75 Kiss 7/31/74 King Crimson 3/31/72 King Crimson 6/7/73 Bruce Springsteen 9/6/75 Bruce Springsteen 5/14/76 Bruce Springsteen 7/18/78 Rod Stewart and Faces 9/23/75 Jeff Beck and Jan Hammer 12/8/76 Queen 4/21/74 David Bowie 4/11/78 Dr. John 3/5/73 The Kinks 2/20/76 Slade 6/15/74 Pink Floyd 4/28/77 Almost all have the whistle on these recordings, or also has his voice on the recordings." ---------- This all sounds interesting - can anyone else shed light on this? Fascinating stuff! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Sat Jan 22 08:03:43 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Sat Jan 22 08:03:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Future setlist Message-ID: Do you think, after "Got to get better", that EC will keep on playing his oldest fantastic songs- for example, i'd be delighted as much as with "got to get better" if EC'd play "anyday" or "i looked away" Greets to all of you. Etienne From solron at optonline.net Sat Jan 22 12:00:23 2005 From: solron at optonline.net (Sol Fischler) Date: Sat Jan 22 12:01:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Help! Computer problem... Message-ID: Help! I keep reading about list members with computers that crash and lose everything... I'm hoping someone can help me -- I have a 128-gig firewire drive that seems to have gone south, but not because of a physical problem -- I think it's because of either downloading bad media, or more likely, stopping a downloading process that shouldn't have been stopped. In any event, my Mac refuses to recognize it anymore -- either before or after boot-up, so I can't run any drive-repair program on it. Can anyone recommend a place to have drives fixed, or a data-recovery company that won't COMPLETELY bend me over -- I'm afraid recovering 65 gigs of stuff ( including all my jewel art!!) will devour my kids' college funds... Thanks for any help -- -- Sol From zetti at superig.com.br Sat Jan 22 11:44:29 2005 From: zetti at superig.com.br (Zetti) Date: Sat Jan 22 12:05:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tracking down masters - an appropriate comment.... In-Reply-To: <20050122130325.653B68CC84@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050122084133.00b7ada0@pop.superig.com.br> Hi all and AG, >From: Almighty Geetarz >Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tracking Down Masters > >You want stories? How about the big EC traders who >have both "public" and "private" trading lists? It takes me to thinking (again and again.....): where is the master of Orchestra Night on video ? At this moment everybody have DVD Recorders at their houses and all we'se seen so far are the crappy copies that had been circulating for years on VHS now on DVD.... Of course "someone" has it...... Zetti Please visit my trade list at: http://www.xroads.hpg.com.br From emse_97 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 14:06:33 2005 From: emse_97 at yahoo.com (Ed Petry) Date: Sat Jan 22 14:06:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 47 In-Reply-To: <20050122130325.623768CC81@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050122190633.45249.qmail@web60606.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, If I am in time please send me a copy of Paris. I feel pain deep down.... maybe a pebble in my shoe... or something..... Will pass it on. Cheers Ed Petry 324 E Granville Road Worthington, OH 43085-3123 Message: 5 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: Almighty Geetarz Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tracking Down Masters #2 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Message-ID: <20050122034037.35873.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And speaking of tracking down masters, I must be part bloodhound. You see, some kind soul was nice enough to video the Paris 2004 show - a good thing, too, since this was (in my opinion) one of the finer performances of the tour. OOPS! Maybe it wasn't a good thing. You see, this wasn't a "public" video. You weren't allowed to talk about it. Of course any number of people felt compelled to write, tell you how good it was, but then say "oh, but I can't copy it". See what I mean about how f-d up some people's ideas about music are? And then of course there were the offers - you can have a copy of this show, but ONLY if you PROMISE not to copy it, and PROMISE not to list it. Of course I refuse these offers. Some people just don't have enough going on in their lives, I guess, so they have to add drama. Me, I can't keep track of stuff already, much less try to determine the criteria for who gets what. But, interestingly, because I have low friends in low places, I just happened to get a copy of this DVD. And - this is the fun part - I didn't make ANY promises about not sharing it. Now, from what I have told you, you would guess that I would be an incredible A$$H0!E if I were to offer a copy of this DVD up to the group for free. Won't that just put someone's little panties in a twist, and just ruin their little secret club? Heck, a suicide might even result, due to despair at the fact that EC fans outside the "secret circle" got to watch the show. I can only imagine the horror that will result from ... ugh ! ... "real" fans being able to enjoy something that rightfully belongs to the appointed "special" EC collectors. So I won't offer out a copy of the DVD. That would be wrong. Instead - I've made *25* copies, and will hand them out like candy. First copy goes to someone who promises to put it up on a download site so - GASP!!! - even more people can obtain it. The other copies go to anyone who promises to share copies. No games, no secret handshake, no promises, no secret EC decoder ring, no BULL$H!T. Just the music. And ain't that what this is supposed to be about? This is a PAL format DVD, make sure you can view this. I've already begun the process of conversion and - GASP!!! - will author an NTSC version for those who are PAL-challenged, but this may take a couple weeks. Anyone who wants on the bandwagon, please email 'geetarz@geetarz.org'. Please do NOT reply to this Yahoo! account as I only use it under duress to participate in the SD. Perhaps the burnerless among us can contribute by helping to set up grief counseling sessions for those in the "secret club" that will be traumatized by this senseless act of sharing. I hope you feel their pain ... I do Cheers, AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Cobhome at aol.com Sat Jan 22 15:43:03 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 22 15:43:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] About Them Shoes Message-ID: Then there are the big names I take offense ( ok - joking a bit) - Levon Helm IS a BIG name!!! I got a pre release copy of four of the songs on this CD a couple of years ago - IMHO - it is a truly GREAT blues cd - IMHO - EC plays and sings with an enthusiasm and spontaneity that is not often on his own work. Keith does a super fine job - reminds me of why I loved the Stones as a kid !! And - as a note - the CD was made a few miles from my home - and yes - EC was in that studio!!!!! Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050122/1f69d5e0/attachment.html From whereseric at optonline.net Sat Jan 22 19:04:30 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Sat Jan 22 19:04:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Relief Concert / Set List, Report and Photographs Message-ID: <5a844e5aba1f.5aba1f5a844e@optonline.net> Eric performed a six song set backed by Jools Holland and his orchestra at the Tsunami Relief Concert. Songs were: Reconsider Baby, Little Queen Of Spades, Willie And The Hand Jive, Every Day I Have The Blues, Love Her WIth A Feeling and the all-star encore of Shake Rattle And Roll. According to the Where's ERIC! Staff who attended, the temperature inside the venue was 1?C (that's approximately 33?F) even with the stadium roof closed! This despite the 60,000 people inside! Further information and photographs of the event (by rock photographer Danny Clifford) at www.whereseric.com Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From ollio at mbnet.fi Sun Jan 23 03:35:15 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Sun Jan 23 03:32:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC is a Slowhander? :) Message-ID: <000a01c50126$76687770$23e9c551@ollionkone> Hi all, Listening and watching to the webcast from last evenings Tsunami Relief Concert from Cardiff I came to the conclusion, that EC is reading Slowhand Digest very carefully! He has noticed DN's complaints of the missing Vibrato On Bended Notes (VOBN) and seems to have practised for weeks to get that back to his technique. During Little Queen Of Spades he used that vibrato on one dramatic note!! It wasn't the same VOBN from Cream days, but a VOBN, anyway. What's more, in his stunning 25 min blues set Eric did Willie And The Hand Jive and some weeks ago somebody here was talking about this particular song :*). I quess we must be quite careful what we discuss here, the big brother seems to be watching! He could start playing Promises or Golden Ring for God's sake, if somebody asked, so please think twice before you post a message. Keep On Growin' Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050123/761748e3/attachment.html From blues4jr at aol.com Sun Jan 23 07:39:32 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 23 07:39:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Derek & the Dominos Message-ID: <3EB4FDC8.21392812.00955D93@aol.com> For many years I have been searching for 5 early D&D shows - 6/14/70, 8/1/70, 8/2/70, 8/7/70 and 8/8/70; especially the 6/14/70 show. I plead to anyone that has the 6/14/70 show stowed away in some secret vault, please share it with us. As AG stated, music is meant to be shared. And this was an historic show. Thanks, John Roe From emse_97 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 09:15:39 2005 From: emse_97 at yahoo.com (Ed Petry) Date: Sun Jan 23 09:15:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 In-Reply-To: <20050123123939.9433C8CCF6@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050123141539.1208.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry SD'ers, I need to c&p the addy of the receipient not post to the board. Sorry Ed --- slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: > Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Help! Computer problem... (Sol Fischler) > 2. Tracking down masters - an appropriate > comment.... (Zetti) > 3. Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 47 (Ed > Petry) > 4. About Them Shoes (Cobhome@aol.com) > 5. Other songs (Cobhome@aol.com) > 6. cardiff set list (sam mangano) > 7. Tsunami Relief Concert / Set List, Report and > Photographs > (whereseric@optonline.net) > 8. EC is a Slowhander? :) (ollio) > 9. Derek & the Dominos (blues4jr@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:23 -0500 > From: Sol Fischler > Subject: [Slowhand] Help! Computer problem... > To: Slowhand Digest > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Help! > > I keep reading about list members with computers > that crash and lose > everything... > I'm hoping someone can help me -- > > I have a 128-gig firewire drive that seems to have > gone south, but not > because of a physical problem -- I think it's > because of either downloading > bad media, or more likely, stopping a downloading > process that shouldn't > have been stopped. > > In any event, my Mac refuses to recognize it > anymore -- either before or > after boot-up, so I can't run any drive-repair > program on it. > > Can anyone recommend a place to have drives fixed, > or a data-recovery > company that won't COMPLETELY bend me over -- I'm > afraid recovering 65 gigs > of stuff ( including all my jewel art!!) will > devour my kids' college > funds... > > Thanks for any help -- > > -- Sol > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:44:29 -0800 > From: Zetti > Subject: [Slowhand] Tracking down masters - an > appropriate comment.... > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: > <5.2.1.1.2.20050122084133.00b7ada0@pop.superig.com.br> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > Hi all and AG, > > >From: Almighty Geetarz > >Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tracking Down Masters > > > >You want stories? How about the big EC traders who > >have both "public" and "private" trading lists? > > It takes me to thinking (again and again.....): > where is the master of > Orchestra Night on video ? > At this moment everybody have DVD Recorders at their > houses and all we'se > seen so far are the crappy copies that had been > circulating for years on > VHS now on DVD.... > > Of course "someone" has it...... > > Zetti > > > Please visit my trade list at: > http://www.xroads.hpg.com.br > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:06:33 -0800 (PST) > From: Ed Petry > Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, > Issue 47 > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: > <20050122190633.45249.qmail@web60606.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Mark, > > If I am in time please send me a copy of Paris. I > feel pain deep down.... maybe a pebble in my shoe... > or something..... > > Will pass it on. > > Cheers > Ed Petry > 324 E Granville Road > Worthington, OH 43085-3123 > > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:40:37 -0800 (PST) > From: Almighty Geetarz > Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tracking Down Masters #2 > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: > <20050122034037.35873.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > And speaking of tracking down masters, > > I must be part bloodhound. > > You see, some kind soul was nice enough to video the > Paris 2004 show - a good thing, too, since this was > (in my opinion) one of the finer performances of the > tour. > > OOPS! Maybe it wasn't a good thing. You see, this > wasn't a "public" video. You weren't allowed to > talk > about it. Of course any number of people felt > compelled to write, tell you how good it was, but > then > say "oh, but I can't copy it". See what I mean > about > how f-d up some people's ideas about music are? > > And then of course there were the offers - you can > have a copy of this show, but ONLY if you PROMISE > not > to copy it, and PROMISE not to list it. Of course I > refuse these offers. Some people just don't have > enough going on in their lives, I guess, so they > have > to add drama. Me, I can't keep track of stuff > already, > much less try to determine the criteria for who gets > what. > > But, interestingly, because I have low friends in > low > places, I just happened to get a copy of this DVD. > And - this is the fun part - I didn't make ANY > promises about not sharing it. > > Now, from what I have told you, you would guess that > I > would be an incredible A$$H0!E if I were to offer a > copy of this DVD up to the group for free. Won't > that > just put someone's little panties in a twist, and > just > ruin their little secret club? Heck, a suicide might > even result, due to despair at the fact that EC fans > outside the "secret circle" got to watch the show. I > can only imagine the horror that will result from > ... > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 15:25:25 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sun Jan 23 15:25:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Derek and the Dominos Message-ID: <20050123202525.77877.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> "For many years I have been searching for 5 early D&D shows - 6/14/70, 8/1/70, 8/2/70, 8/7/70 and 8/8/70; especially the 6/14/70 show." I don't know about those ... I do know that the D&D show of 11.27.70 at the Kiel Opera House in St. Louis is out there. Why? Someone told me that they had received it, and had instructed a "mutual friend" (his phrase) to pass it on to me. I've never seen (heard) it. Probably because the "powers that be" are afraid that (gasp!) I might share it with friends who have a thing for sh!++y sounding 35 year old audience recordings. You know, all those people putting Britney Spears on the charts are just lining up at the mall to purchase official D&D recordings, much less anything of iffy quality. Out of the mass of EC fans worldwide, there are, what? Perhaps a couple thousand who are dedicated enough fans to subscribe to this mailing list? And out of those, an even smaller enough group who are dedicated enough to collect/trade recordings. And of that even smaller group, a smaller group who would even be interested in audience recordings. Is this pathetic or what? To me, it's sort of like some of these people who have something like "Elvis' toenail clippings from when he stayed in the motel in my town" and are somehow convinced they have a world class relic - and aren't aware of just how silly they are. Personally, I'm still waiting for just one person - ONE person - to explain this position to me, 'cause I just don't understand. Just one. One. Please. Help me to understand. I'm not talking about soundboards, promo copies, anything of that sort that would affect someone's career if their trust was betrayed. I'm talking AUDIENCE RECORDINGS. Let's talk Wintershall 2001. The only way to listen to this is to go to the taper's house? Give me a BREAK. AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sun Jan 23 15:33:49 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sun Jan 23 15:33:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff torrent available at Easytree Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050123123352130874@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Eric's performance from the Cardiff Relief concert is already available at Easytree: "Eric Clapton and Jools Holland - 2005-01-22 - Tsunami Relief Cardiff (PAL DVD)" http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=24261 (download page URL) http://www.easytree.org/download.php/24261/jools_clapton-2005-01-22-TsunamiRelief-PALDVD.torrent (torrent file URL) You know the drill: the more, the faster... ;-) Cheers Gaetano From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 23 16:10:13 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 23 16:14:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC is a Slowhander? :) References: <000a01c50126$76687770$23e9c551@ollionkone> Message-ID: <008701c50190$8096c4d0$208c29d8@Kelly> Wait!! Am I supposed to dislike Promises? Oops, I forgot to do that. lol Same thing for Golden Ring. But if Eric is listening, er, reading Black Summer Rain is needed. ;-) Kelly ------------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: ollio To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:35 AM Subject: [Slowhand] EC is a Slowhander? :) Hi all, Listening and watching to the webcast from last evenings Tsunami Relief Concert from Cardiff I came to the conclusion, that EC is reading Slowhand Digest very carefully! He has noticed DN's complaints of the missing Vibrato On Bended Notes (VOBN) and seems to have practised for weeks to get that back to his technique. During Little Queen Of Spades he used that vibrato on one dramatic note!! It wasn't the same VOBN from Cream days, but a VOBN, anyway. What's more, in his stunning 25 min blues set Eric did Willie And The Hand Jive and some weeks ago somebody here was talking about this particular song :*). I quess we must be quite careful what we discuss here, the big brother seems to be watching! He could start playing Promises or Golden Ring for God's sake, if somebody asked, so please think twice before you post a message. Keep On Growin' Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He has noticed DN's complaints of the missing Vibrato On Bended Notes (VOBN) and seems to have practised for weeks to get that back to his technique. During Little Queen Of Spades he used that vibrato on one dramatic note!! It wasn't the same VOBN from Cream days, but a VOBN, anyway. What's more, in his stunning 25 min blues set Eric did Willie And The Hand Jive and some weeks ago somebody here was talking about this particular song :*). I quess we must be quite careful what we discuss here, the big brother seems to be watching! He could start playing Promises or Golden Ring for God's sake, if somebody asked, so please think twice before you post a message. Keep On Growin' Olli NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/c3d907bd/attachment.html From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 23 18:00:05 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Sun Jan 23 18:00:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Relief Concert / Set List, Report and Photographs References: <5a844e5aba1f.5aba1f5a844e@optonline.net> Message-ID: <004b01c5019f$480b5fe0$3b24ff3e@MAIN> Having got back from Cardiff late last night, I think 1degrees was a bit generous! The car Thermo on the way home said outside was 0.5. Anyway, well worth it to see Eric, he was on absolutely amazing form! Where did he dig "Willie and the hand Jive" from? I cant remember the last time he played that live! One oddity was Eric's guitar, he was using an old model signature Strat, with the lace sensors, rather than the newer Noiseless pick-ups. Eric really packed in the solos, the best for me being on Little QWueen of Spades, and didn't waste any of his time by talking, just got on with what he does best, besides, by that point in the evening, we had had loads of people telling us why we were there, we didn't need to hear it again from Eric. I must say though, even Eric aside,the whole day was superb, with high points ( Eric, Manics, Kelly Jones) and low points ( Bryan Mcfadden, Liberty X) but over all a superb day, building to a magnificent ending from Eric! I'm sure lots of casual listeners will be disappointed that Eric didnt play any of his hits, such as Wonderful Tonight and Layla, but for the fans, that was the best playing I've heard in years and will surely enhance his image for a new generation who have never heard him play like that! Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Slowhand Digest" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:04 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Relief Concert / Set List, Report and Photographs Eric performed a six song set backed by Jools Holland and his orchestra at the Tsunami Relief Concert. Songs were: Reconsider Baby, Little Queen Of Spades, Willie And The Hand Jive, Every Day I Have The Blues, Love Her WIth A Feeling and the all-star encore of Shake Rattle And Roll. According to the Where's ERIC! Staff who attended, the temperature inside the venue was 1?C (that's approximately 33?F) even with the stadium roof closed! This despite the 60,000 people inside! Further information and photographs of the event (by rock photographer Danny Clifford) at www.whereseric.com Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 23 18:10:53 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 23 18:11:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC is a Slowhander? :) References: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF413@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Message-ID: <002301c501a0$cb847d60$029529d8@Kelly> Oooh, Roll It Over. Definitely. I love the intro. Kelly ------------ My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Wilson To: ollio ; slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [Slowhand] EC is a Slowhander? :) Yeah - Eric, if you're reading this, how about Roll It Over - in spite of the suspicious lyrics, this is truly one of your greats - oh and don't forget to bring the wah wah along for the ride - so to speak. Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ollio [mailto:ollio@mbnet.fi] Sent: 23 January 2005 10:35 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] EC is a Slowhander? :) Hi all, Listening and watching to the webcast from last evenings Tsunami Relief Concert from Cardiff I came to the conclusion, that EC is reading Slowhand Digest very carefully! He has noticed DN's complaints of the missing Vibrato On Bended Notes (VOBN) and seems to have practised for weeks to get that back to his technique. During Little Queen Of Spades he used that vibrato on one dramatic note!! It wasn't the same VOBN from Cream days, but a VOBN, anyway. What's more, in his stunning 25 min blues set Eric did Willie And The Hand Jive and some weeks ago somebody here was talking about this particular song :*). I quess we must be quite careful what we discuss here, the big brother seems to be watching! He could start playing Promises or Golden Ring for God's sake, if somebody asked, so please think twice before you post a message. Keep On Growin' Olli NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050123/8e662877/attachment.html From jard at mta.ca Sun Jan 23 18:14:40 2005 From: jard at mta.ca (Jamie Reid) Date: Sun Jan 23 18:14:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Help! Computer problem.. In-Reply-To: <20050123123939.6F7578CC63@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050123123939.6F7578CC63@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <8F036D32-6D94-11D9-B72D-000A95B252D6@mta.ca> > What version of the OS are you running? 10.3? There were some problems with some firewire drives with 10.3, and if the computer was booted/shutdown with those drives turned on, BadThings(TM) happened. I am not sure what those bad things are, as I don't own a firewire drive, but my father is, and since he wasn't able to determine whether he had the good firewire chipset in his drive (the one that had no troubles) or the bad firewire chipset (the one that can have BadThings(TM) happen), he doesn't leave the drive on when booting or shutting down. You might try posting a question in the Apple discussion forums: http://discussions.info.apple.com You do have to register, but it's free, and (so-far) spam-free; helpful knowledgeable people read and post there (as well as enthusiastic incompetents, but not that many). cheers jamie > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:23 -0500 > From: Sol Fischler > Subject: [Slowhand] Help! Computer problem... > To: Slowhand Digest > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Help! > > I keep reading about list members with computers that crash and lose > everything... > I'm hoping someone can help me -- > > I have a 128-gig firewire drive that seems to have gone south, but not > because of a physical problem -- I think it's because of either > downloading > bad media, or more likely, stopping a downloading process that > shouldn't > have been stopped. > > In any event, my Mac refuses to recognize it anymore -- either before > or > after boot-up, so I can't run any drive-repair program on it. > > Can anyone recommend a place to have drives fixed, or a data-recovery > company that won't COMPLETELY bend me over -- I'm afraid recovering 65 > gigs > of stuff ( including all my jewel art!!) will devour my kids' college > funds... > > Thanks for any help -- > > -- Sol > > > Jamie Reid -- ICQ:16085683 JamieReid@hfx.eastlink.ca http://www.geocities.com/hocmaximesugit/ People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it first. From blues4jr at aol.com Sun Jan 23 18:46:20 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 23 18:46:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Derek & the Dominos Message-ID: <463A9B1C.41E69CD6.00955D93@aol.com> AG posted: "I don't know about those ... I do know that the D&D show of 11.27.70 at the Kiel Opera House in St. Louis is out there. Why? Someone told me that they had received it, and had instructed a "mutual friend" (his phrase) to pass it on to me. I've never seen (heard) it." I was at this concert. Still have the ticket stub. Would I love to have even a lousy aud recording. They performed in the Kiel Opera House. Use to seat about 5,000. Man, what a memory. John Roe From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 20:54:12 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sun Jan 23 20:54:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD Offers Message-ID: <20050124015412.79097.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, I really started thinking and realized I really shouldn't send this out, since it will upset some people. NOT! Of course it's going out. The following slowhanders will get copies and have promised to reoffer: Andre Salles Souza (Brazil) Pat Toth (USA) DeltaNick Aleshin (USA) Kristian Frellsen (Denmark) Mal Barker (UK) Bruce Bohnenstingl (USA) Franz Fass (Germany) Kelly Murphy (USA) Eddy Pollet (Belgium) Etienne Genaux (Will post on EMule) Roberto Sasso (Italy) Kevin Wilson (South Africa) Jon Hognason (Iceland) Aebhric Coleman (France) Dave Langley (UK) Nathan Lovett (UK) Kristoffer Stabrun (Norway) Aaron Little (US) Dan Dunseath (US - Will post on EZtorrent) Mike Barnes (US) David Roberts (US) John Mills (UK - Will post on Bittorrent) Gaetano Villari (Italy) Hans-Jurgen Buschmann (Germany) -------- Thanks to all those, and let's get this thing out to all the corners of the world. It has involved a good deal of cussing and a couple sleepless nights but with the help of Zetti, a quality NTSC transfer is in the works and will be offered ... well, when it's done. Cover art, setlist, details, screen shots, and comments will be posted early this week. All the above, I think, deserve a round of applause for being willing to share the music, and do so publicly. The sad thing is that so many traders feel compelled to comply with all the "rules" and "games" that some collectors play, when in reality, if we all simply refuse to play those games, the guilty parties will have no one to trade with and will have to change their ways or simply go find another hobby. Thanks for sharing the music, y'all ! Cheers, AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 22:34:39 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sun Jan 23 22:34:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Looking for ... Message-ID: <20050124033440.80310.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Still looking for Bill Fleming and Lucky Crumpler ... can anyone help out? THANKS AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jnacca0408 at rogers.com Mon Jan 24 01:02:47 2005 From: jnacca0408 at rogers.com (JOHN NACCARATO) Date: Mon Jan 24 01:02:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain Message-ID: <000a01c501da$548d1e80$b7ecc545@D10RM611> Kelly Murphy said... But if Eric is listening, er, reading Black Summer Rain is needed. ;-) I concur completely! I had been campaigning for this very song eight years ago in this forum. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/1e0f4c11/attachment-0001.html From mangs88 at verizon.net Mon Jan 24 01:15:12 2005 From: mangs88 at verizon.net (sam mangano) Date: Mon Jan 24 01:15:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Derek & the Dominos References: <3EB4FDC8.21392812.00955D93@aol.com> Message-ID: <007901c501dc$11551a30$2d01a8c0@Family> i would love the 8/8/70 show, my bday!! out sambo8 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Derek & the Dominos > For many years I have been searching for 5 early D&D shows - 6/14/70, > 8/1/70, 8/2/70, 8/7/70 and 8/8/70; especially the 6/14/70 show. > > I plead to anyone that has the 6/14/70 show stowed away in some secret > vault, please share it with us. As AG stated, music is meant to be shared. > And this was an historic show. > > Thanks, > John Roe > > From pjones at doodlesite.com Mon Jan 24 00:59:18 2005 From: pjones at doodlesite.com (Phil Jones) Date: Mon Jan 24 01:59:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Willie and the Hand Jive - Possible Scenario Message-ID: <002001c501d9$d7b82df0$0200a8c0@debslong> The momentary unsticking on the set-list generator got me wondering about why EC selected this for a "blues" set. This is the best I could come up with. EC and Jools Holland sitting in a rehersal studio somewhere in Berkshire... EC: We've got 3.5minutes to fill in the set. What shall we do? JH: I've always like that Hand Jive song on 461....how about that, one of my faves. EC: Hmmm...Nah. JH: It is my birthday on Monday, it'd be a cool present! EC: Sorry Jools. JH: Go on, I'll donate a grand to the relief fund, how about that? EC: Errr...oh alright then!! And so it was!!! Seriously - it was nice to hear this for a change, this is despite me not exactly being a massive fan of the song. I initially thought it was going to turn into one of those awful mid-90s versions of Crossroads. As for Black Summer Rain - yes, add me to the campaign list. Best Wishes Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/daf5c375/attachment.html From jard at mta.ca Mon Jan 24 02:21:23 2005 From: jard at mta.ca (Jamie Reid) Date: Mon Jan 24 02:21:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Sorry for spamming the list with OT reply In-Reply-To: <20050124060249.551848D117@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050124060249.551848D117@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <8D07CE95-6DD8-11D9-B72D-000A95B252D6@mta.ca> My apologies, meant to send to Sol alone. Did anyone else get a defective Crossroads DVD? the entire first batch that was received at the chain I purchased it was bad - crapped out at I Shot the Sheriff (and the rest of the last four songs + Layla). Finally got my working copy a month later. cheers, jamie From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Mon Jan 24 02:20:30 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 24 02:22:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF418@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Yeah, just imagine: Now for the "Rain" set in Eric's show: Let It Rain, Walk Out in the Rain, Black Summer Rain, I Wish It Would Rain Down (with Phil Collins as special guest - common respect where respect is due; he was there for Eric during the transition to more popular albums) and Rainy Day Woman Part 12 & 35. Kevin From: JOHN NACCARATO [mailto:jnacca0408@rogers.com] Sent: 24 January 2005 08:03 To: Slowhanders Subject: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain Kelly Murphy said... But if Eric is listening, er, reading Black Summer Rain is needed. ;-) I concur completely! I had been campaigning for this very song eight years ago in this forum. John NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/5a09d07d/attachment.html From dustyvalentino at hotmail.com Mon Jan 24 05:24:03 2005 From: dustyvalentino at hotmail.com (Dusty Valentino) Date: Mon Jan 24 05:25:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff Set DVD Message-ID: Hi there I recorded EC's et at Cardiff on my DVD recorder and I'm happy to make some copies. I probably can't supply DVDs to everyone who would want one, but maybe we can set up a tree or something with people who have burners? Regards, Matt Duncan From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 24 07:44:19 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 24 07:44:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain References: <000a01c501da$548d1e80$b7ecc545@D10RM611> Message-ID: <008501c50212$6c93a750$b48b29d8@Kelly> Hi John, Glad I'm not alone. I remember when I first heard the song, and all I could do is wonder why I didn't hear more about it. Then I find out that Eric has never performed it live. Well, at least to my knowledge he hasn't. Hmm, petition? ;-) Kelly --------------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN NACCARATO To: Slowhanders Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain Kelly Murphy said... But if Eric is listening, er, reading Black Summer Rain is needed. ;-) I concur completely! I had been campaigning for this very song eight years ago in this forum. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/5ff45b63/attachment.html From susbastille at msn.com Mon Jan 24 12:20:12 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Mon Jan 24 12:21:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "...rain, I don't mind." References: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF418@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Message-ID: and for the big encore (drum roll, please)...simply, "Rain," as surprise guests Macca and Ringo follow EC and Friends back on stage and play their hearts out in memory of John and George. susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Wilson To: JOHN NACCARATO ; Slowhanders Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:20 AM Subject: RE: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain Yeah, just imagine: Now for the "Rain" set in Eric's show: Let It Rain, Walk Out in the Rain, Black Summer Rain, I Wish It Would Rain Down (with Phil Collins as special guest - common respect where respect is due; he was there for Eric during the transition to more popular albums) and Rainy Day Woman Part 12 & 35. Kevin From: JOHN NACCARATO [mailto:jnacca0408@rogers.com] Sent: 24 January 2005 08:03 To: Slowhanders Subject: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain Kelly Murphy said... But if Eric is listening, er, reading Black Summer Rain is needed. ;-) I concur completely! I had been campaigning for this very song eight years ago in this forum. John NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/3abf52b2/attachment.html From weedweed at tiscali.fr Mon Jan 24 12:29:44 2005 From: weedweed at tiscali.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?weedweed@tiscali.fr?=) Date: Mon Jan 24 12:30:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Rain set Message-ID: Man, You forget to include the Beatles track, "Rain", as the psychedelic encore where EC would show again on the famous SG... and Steve Gadd playing drums backward ! Kevin Wilson wrote : "Yeah, just imagine: Now for the "Rain" set in Eric's show: Let It Rain, Walk Out in the Rain, Black Summer Rain, I Wish It Would Rain Down (with Phil Collins as special guest - common respect where respect is due; he was there for Eric during the transition to more popular albums) and Rainy Day Woman Part 12 & 35. Kevin" Best regards, JYB ************************ ADSL JUSQU'A 16 MEGA + TELEPHONE GRATUIT ************************ L'ultra haut d?bit ? 30EUR/mois seulement ! Et vous t?l?phonez gratuitement en France vers les postes fixes, hors num?ros sp?ciaux. Pour profiter de cette offre exceptionnelle, cliquez ici : http://register.tiscali.fr/adsl/ (voir conditions sur le site) From ijwthstd at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 13:14:35 2005 From: ijwthstd at yahoo.com (ijwthstd) Date: Mon Jan 24 13:14:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: The Whistle Taper In-Reply-To: <20050122130325.623768CC81@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050124181435.66072.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> >This all sounds interesting - can anyone else shed >light on this? Fascinating stuff! He gave me and some friends a ride to an Alice Cooper concert in 1990. Other than that, cant really shed much light... ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From ijwthstd at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 13:28:23 2005 From: ijwthstd at yahoo.com (ijwthstd) Date: Mon Jan 24 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re:Re: Tracking Down Masters In-Reply-To: <20050122130325.623768CC81@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050124182823.63559.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Did I detect a bit of whining there? I have been taping my own gigs for over 16 years now, mostly for personal use but most cases I am only only too happy to trade. However in a few cases for whatever reason, certain gigs remain personal use only. Sometimes its at the request of an artist, to hold more leverage in obtaining future dates on the same tour or for reasons I don't have to explain. I wont put them on any list or engage in weird behaviour like dangling them in your face and telling you its here but unavailable. I have noticed over the years that in taping my own shows on a consistent basis, the rare stuff tends to beat a more direct path to my door. - - - - - Also, in addition to the masters you know about, there are hundreds or thousands more you dont know about. I have a friend who has taped thousands of shows since the 70s. He had no knowledge of the trading community prior to meeting me and still has no interest. There are many more out there like him, only without any conduit to the trading community at all. As far as older masters go, many of these people have moved on with their life and don't feel a lifelong responsibility to the recording and having to break it out and invest yet more time, money and effort every time some new technology comes along. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Dale.Kalina at rrd.com Mon Jan 24 14:09:56 2005 From: Dale.Kalina at rrd.com (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) Date: Mon Jan 24 14:10:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] More Rain Message-ID: One more for the set list - How about a version of "Feels Like Rain" with special guest Buddy Guy (and Bonnie Raitt if she wants to reprise her background vocals). Then they could follow up with a rockin' version of "Sweet Home SHEEcago". Dale Man, You forget to include the Beatles track, "Rain", as the psychedelic encore where EC would show again on the famous SG... and Steve Gadd playing drums backward ! Kevin Wilson wrote : "Yeah, just imagine: Now for the "Rain" set in Eric's show: Let It Rain, Walk Out in the Rain, Black Summer Rain, I Wish It Would Rain Down (with Phil Collins as special guest - common respect where respect is due; he was there for Eric during the transition to more popular albums) and Rainy Day Woman Part 12 & 35. Kevin" Best regards, JYB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/d98cdde5/attachment.html From rdh at optimum-power.com Mon Jan 24 14:31:23 2005 From: rdh at optimum-power.com (Roy D. Houston) Date: Mon Jan 24 14:34:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tracking Down Masters Message-ID: <1B5020F2D5CDC641ACF55BB56CAACC2002510D@OPTMSG01.optimum-power.com> Thanks for the replies... The Almighty wrote: << How about the big EC traders who have both "public" and "private" trading lists? *snip* I can name off a number of EC tapers all of whom deliberately degrade copies they send out off their masters, or even better still cut out a song or a portion of one, so they will be the only one with the "complete" show. >> Sadly, these kinds of tapers/hoarders are a reality in all popular music - not just EC. But what is surprising is the lack of low gen/master 70's EC shows. They must be out there somewhere - but I have never been able to get them. It seems that new shows from other bands continue to be unearthed....The Led Zep 1970 NYC afternoon gig that was introduced to the world on STG and a 1975 St.Louis SBD just torrented a few weeks back on EZT. A few years back, an ABB show with Duane surfaced (with Blue Sky, to boot!) and other examples exist, as AG pointed out, with Pink Floyd, etc.... The only old show that I recall being unearthed with respect to EC was the D&D Electric Factory show a few years back. Yes, it was a new find. But every version I have heard of it is multi-gen and hissy. If it was recently unearthed, why is there not a better, closer-to-master copy?? Does anyone have a decent, known lineage version?? Does anyone know how this tape came to light? Or is this another example of tapers who are hoarders?? While we're on the subject of taping, I have been taping shows for over fifteen years and have experienced all of the things that AG has mentioned. Unlike the hoarders, I have always offered my own tapes up for trade, never degraded them, and always offered them complete. When I first started taping, there were only three tapers in Pittsburgh. We knew each other and we traded with each other. Thus, I have a number of master or 1st gen shows from the 'Burgh. I don't go to shows all that often anymore and EC has chosen not to come to my town on the last two tours. An update on the Port Chester Restoration Project. I have been told that there is no official website dedicated to this project and that, for the most part, they intend to keep a low profile. What is known is that they are attempting to do these restorations very carefully. They are baking the old tapes, they are transferring them into new shells, and are doing a complete digital mastering. From all accounts, these efforts are being met with acclaim. They now have 7 shows that are in the trading community. I know of no release schedule for others. The shows so far are: #1- 8/8/70 Janis Joplin & Full Tilt Boogie #2-3/21/70 Grateful Dead early & late shows #3-1/20/71 John Hammond,Jr./Big Brother & The Holding Co./Electric Hot Tuna #4-11/13.70 Electric Hot Tuna/Jefferson Airplane #5-6/24/70 NRPS/Grateful Dead early & late shows #6-7/29/70 McKendree Spring/Livingston Taylor/Jethro Tull #7-11/8/70 NRPS/Grateful Dead I would still appreciate it if other could relate their experiences in attempting to unearth some of the older shows.... thanks, -Roy From gwornex at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 17:36:56 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Mon Jan 24 17:37:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Carson and Clapton Message-ID: <20050124223656.29409.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com> With Johnny Carson's passing I got to wondering.....Does anyone know if EC ever appeared on the Tonite show????? george wilson From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 24 20:46:52 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 24 20:47:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain References: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF418@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Message-ID: <012501c5027f$bef81a40$8d8b29d8@Kelly> I like the "Rain" set idea a lot. Let's make it happen. ;-) Kelly --------------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Wilson To: JOHN NACCARATO ; Slowhanders Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:20 AM Subject: RE: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain Yeah, just imagine: Now for the "Rain" set in Eric's show: Let It Rain, Walk Out in the Rain, Black Summer Rain, I Wish It Would Rain Down (with Phil Collins as special guest - common respect where respect is due; he was there for Eric during the transition to more popular albums) and Rainy Day Woman Part 12 & 35. Kevin From: JOHN NACCARATO [mailto:jnacca0408@rogers.com] Sent: 24 January 2005 08:03 To: Slowhanders Subject: [Slowhand] Black Summer Rain Kelly Murphy said... But if Eric is listening, er, reading Black Summer Rain is needed. ;-) I concur completely! I had been campaigning for this very song eight years ago in this forum. John NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/69001788/attachment.html From twarner34 at comcast.net Mon Jan 24 21:19:42 2005 From: twarner34 at comcast.net (Tracy Warner) Date: Mon Jan 24 21:19:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Rain songs Message-ID: <001401c50284$557385a0$49f0f545@Tracy> For the Rain set, don't forget "The Sky is Crying." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/04eadf4a/attachment.html From hillman at planet-torque.com Mon Jan 24 22:08:01 2005 From: hillman at planet-torque.com (David Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 24 22:08:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Stereo Gear Question and Story Message-ID: This is close to off-topic, but hey, it's my nickel, and it beats questions about computers. Years ago, two friends and I moved into an apartment together. Being three guys like we were, one of the first orders of business was getting an entertainment system to suit our new living room and porch. We each bought a piece or two, and wound up with a TV, receiver, speakers, and a nice amp. I remember after we got everything installed, listening to a few songs, and going about our business. At least, two of us did. The other, I'll call him 'the Greek' ( more or less what we called him ), sat down to listen to his favorite CDs. We didn't know that, until we heard him screaming and hollering down the hall. Alarmed, we ran to see what was on fire. Just his hair, metaphorically speaking. The Greek was a big Dire Straits fan, and he was playing one of his CDs that he'd heard hundreds of times. But this time, it was different. This was the first time he, or any of us for that matter, had heard it on a quality stereo. There was a note, a roaring, soaring note... from Knopfler's guitar, I assume... that just was not there before. I didn't believe him, so we took the CD into another room, and played it on a cheap 'boombox' unit. Sure enough, the note was completely missing. We were all stunned. I wasn't surprised to have it sound different, but for pieces of the music to simply be missing because the equipment couldn't reproduce them just blew me away. I told this story to a co-worker today, and I don't think he believes me, but regardless, we'd both like to know... what song were we listening to? I'll be damned if I can remember, and I don't even own any Dire Straits ( heresy to some, I realize ), so a brute-force search won't work either. So I'm soliciting educated guesses from the most musically-educated ( especially in the area of 'sounds from guitars' ) people I know... you folks. Thanks. -- David Hillman From iampigpen at comcast.net Mon Jan 24 23:40:58 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Mon Jan 24 23:40:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The DVD extravaganza Message-ID: <005a01c50298$13923280$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> The Almighty wrote: >>>Hello All, I really started thinking and realized I really shouldn't send this out, since it will upset some people. NOT! Of course it's going out. The following slowhanders will get copies and have promised to reoffer: Andre Salles Souza (Brazil) Pat Toth (USA) DeltaNick Aleshin (USA) Kristian Frellsen (Denmark) Mal Barker (UK) Bruce Bohnenstingl (USA) Franz Fass (Germany) Kelly Murphy (USA) Eddy Pollet (Belgium) Etienne Genaux (Will post on EMule) Roberto Sasso (Italy) Kevin Wilson (South Africa) Jon Hognason (Iceland) Aebhric Coleman (France) Dave Langley (UK) Nathan Lovett (UK) Kristoffer Stabrun (Norway) Aaron Little (US) Dan Dunseath (US - Will post on EZtorrent) Mike Barnes (US) David Roberts (US) John Mills (UK - Will post on Bittorrent) Gaetano Villari (Italy) Hans-Jurgen Buschmann (Germany)<<<<< I think it's great to get the shows out and to name names...Only thing I wish AG woulda done was give the email address. I mean we all know who each other are somewhat anyway. Oh, yeah, mine's iampigpen@comcast.net and I'm going to burn 3 copies for folks without a burner (because they haven't got a burner doesn't mean they can't watch, no?). And 3 copies to the people that will spread it around. And I will name addresses here on the world wide Slowhand. So let's see to it that even a bunch of Brittany Spears fans could have a copy if they want! Pat Toth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/b969ecb7/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Tue Jan 25 00:05:47 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Tue Jan 25 00:06:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] More Rain References: Message-ID: <009101c5029b$89f2bbe0$8c8b29d8@Kelly> Back for more rain. I forgot to mention Fall Like Rain. Yes we must have that one as well. One of my favorite tracks from Pilgrim. Kelly ------------------ My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale.Kalina@rrd.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: [Slowhand] More Rain One more for the set list - How about a version of "Feels Like Rain" with special guest Buddy Guy (and Bonnie Raitt if she wants to reprise her background vocals). Then they could follow up with a rockin' version of "Sweet Home SHEEcago". Dale Man, You forget to include the Beatles track, "Rain", as the psychedelic encore where EC would show again on the famous SG... and Steve Gadd playing drums backward ! Kevin Wilson wrote : "Yeah, just imagine: Now for the "Rain" set in Eric's show: Let It Rain, Walk Out in the Rain, Black Summer Rain, I Wish It Would Rain Down (with Phil Collins as special guest - common respect where respect is due; he was there for Eric during the transition to more popular albums) and Rainy Day Woman Part 12 & 35. Kevin" Best regards, JYB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050124/1c408e85/attachment-0001.html From dustyvalentino at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 05:21:07 2005 From: dustyvalentino at hotmail.com (Dusty Valentino) Date: Tue Jan 25 05:22:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cardiff DVD Message-ID: OK, perhaps predicatably I've been inundated with requests for copies of the Cardiff DVD, so I'm going to give to the following people who have already contacted me: Tony Walsh Thomas Moser Torgrim Rygnestad David McAffee Wesley Gabbard Aaron Little Rene Aagaard Addie Johnson Kevin Wilson Dave Langley Patrick Tuller Michael Reinberger Dan Hart John Roe David Gourlay Robert Ender Justin Ayling Most of these people have burners and have agreed to distribute further, so if you haven't contacted me already, sorry but one of these guys may be able to sort you out. It will take me a few days to get back to everyone with my address and stuff, so be patient! By the way, it's a great quality recording - direct from digital satellite (RGB) to my DVD recorder's hard drive. It's about 1500MB if somebody wanted to distribute it on the web, although you could compress it or take out the section with just Jools and his band. Regards, Matt From bsreid3 at optonline.net Tue Jan 25 09:40:13 2005 From: bsreid3 at optonline.net (Bryan Reid) Date: Tue Jan 25 09:42:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hubert Sumlin Album Finally Out! Message-ID: <001d01c502eb$c986ec40$c7af5743@HAL> Released today, Sumlin's album with EC, Keith Richards, James Cotton and a host of others guesting is entitled "About Them Shoes". Can't wait to hear it. From darmel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 25 11:29:46 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Tue Jan 25 11:29:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Carson Message-ID: <20050125162946.78525.qmail@web81709.mail.yahoo.com> EC on Carson’s show? I can answer that having listened to and loved JC since 1962. No. More over, EC has never appeared on Leno’s show, and I can say with 95% certainty that he has never appeared on Letterman. Although, I would love to see EC jam with “the band,” it would be frustrating to hear/see him do a quick 4-minute gig and be gone. Knopfler has appeared several times on Leno’s show, and there has not been an interview that I have heard – frustrating. One event that I saw where an interview occurred was early on Leno’s show when Ian Anderson appeared, and Leno quipped that he was an ardent fan. Another was with Joe Cocker. Since I don’t regard either Leno or Letterman as great interviewers, this late-night lacking has not bothered me. I do, however, regard Charlie Rose highly for his interview style – a pity that EC has not appeared on that show. Larry King’s effort was a bad joke. I speculate that if Carson had continued his show a bit longer that we may have seen EC on the show simply because EC was so very topical during the 1992-3 time due to his personal tragedy and his Grammy recognition. We’ll never know. It’s too bad because Carson (a humble man) was a great interviewer, and he has fans who miss him. Mel > >With Johnny Carson's passing I got to >wondering.....Does anyone know if EC ever appeared on >the Tonite show????? >george wilson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005 From timshipp at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 12:26:23 2005 From: timshipp at hotmail.com (tim shipp) Date: Tue Jan 25 12:27:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] clapton on letterman Message-ID: Folks, Didn't EC appear with Lettermans band on the show back in the 90's?? From awmused at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 12:30:47 2005 From: awmused at hotmail.com (Andrea Preston) Date: Tue Jan 25 12:32:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Letterman Message-ID: Mel Boss wrote "I can say with 95% certainty that he has never appeared on Letterman" If my memory serves, I believe EC did appear on Letterman once in the late '80's or early '90's, but I believe he did only 'jam with the band' - very low key, with a little wave to the audience, but no conversation, interview or song of his own. I may be wrong, and maybe someone else can confirm - it may have been during a time that Warren Zevon was substituting for Paul Schaefer. From msawin at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 12:42:07 2005 From: msawin at hotmail.com (Michael Sawin) Date: Tue Jan 25 12:43:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Those Missing Domino tapes plus Cardiff Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:21:07 +0000 From: "Dusty Valentino" To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cardiff DVD OK, perhaps predicatably I've been inundated with requests for copies of the Cardiff DVD, so I'm going to give to the following people who have already contacted me: Tony Walsh Thomas Moser Torgrim Rygnestad David McAffee Wesley Gabbard Aaron Little Rene Aagaard Addie Johnson Kevin Wilson Dave Langley Patrick Tuller Michael Reinberger Dan Hart John Roe David Gourlay Robert Ender Justin Ayling Most of these people have burners and have agreed to distribute further, so if you haven't contacted me already, sorry but one of these guys may be able to sort you out. It will take me a few days to get back to everyone with my address and stuff, so be patient! By the way, it's a great quality recording - direct from digital satellite (RGB) to my DVD recorder's hard drive. It's about 1500MB if somebody wanted to distribute it on the web, although you could compress it or take out the section with just Jools and his band. Regards, Matt --===============2032288951== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: Bryan Reid Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:40:13 -0500 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Subject: [Slowhand] Hubert Sumlin Album Finally Out! Message: 2 Released today, Sumlin's album with EC, Keith Richards, James Cotton and a host of others guesting is entitled "About Them Shoes". Can't wait to hear it. --===============2032288951== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mel Boss Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gwornex@yahoo.com, slowhand@planet-torque.com Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:29:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1354857319-1106670586=:77668" Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Carson Message: 3 --0-1354857319-1106670586=:77668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii EC on Carson?s show? I can answer that having listened to and loved JC since 1962. No. More over, EC has never appeared on Leno?s show, and I can say with 95% certainty that he has never appeared on Letterman. Although, I would love to see EC jam with ?the band,? it would be frustrating to hear/see him do a quick 4-minute gig and be gone. Knopfler has appeared several times on Leno?s show, and there has not been an interview that I have heard ? frustrating. One event that I saw where an interview occurred was early on Leno?s show when Ian Anderson appeared, and Leno quipped that he was an ardent fan. Another was with Joe Cocker. Since I don?t regard either Leno or Letterman as great interviewers, this late-night lacking has not bothered me. I do, however, regard Charlie Rose highly for his interview style ? a pity that EC has not appeared on that show. Larry King?s effort was a bad joke. I speculate that if Carson had continued his show a bit longer that we may have seen EC on the show simply because EC was so very topical during the 1992-3 time due to his personal tragedy and his Grammy recognition. We?ll never know. It?s too bad because Carson (a humble man) was a great interviewer, and he has fans who miss him. Mel With Johnny Carson's passing I got to wondering.....Does anyone know if EC ever appeared on the Tonite show????? george wilson --0-1354857319-1106670586=:77668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii EC on Carson?s show? I can answer that having listened to and loved JC since 1962. No. More over, EC has never appeared on Leno?s show, and I can say with 95% certainty that he has never appeared on Letterman. Although, I would love to see EC jam with ?the band,? it would be frustrating to hear/see him do a quick 4-minute gig and be gone. Knopfler has appeared several times on Leno?s show, and there has not been an interview that I have heard ? frustrating. One event that I saw where an interview occurred was early on Leno?s show when Ian Anderson appeared, and Leno quipped that he was an ardent fan. Another was with Joe Cocker. Since I don?t regard either Leno or Letterman as great interviewers, this late-night lacking has not bothered me. I do, however, regard Charlie Rose highly for his interview style ? a pity that EC has not appeared on that show. La rry King?s effort was a bad joke. I speculate that if Carson had continued his show a bit longer that we may have seen EC on the show simply because EC was so very topical during the 1992-3 time due to his personal tragedy and his Grammy recognition. We?ll never know. It?s too bad because Carson (a humble man) was a great interviewer, and he has fans who miss him. Mel With Johnny Carson's passing I got to wondering.....Does anyone know if EC ever appeared on the Tonite show????? george wilson --0-1354857319-1106670586=:77668-- --===============2032288951==-- --===============1187672941== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Slowhand mailing list Slowhand@planet-torque.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand --===============1187672941==-- From ChucklesIV at aol.com Tue Jan 25 13:18:40 2005 From: ChucklesIV at aol.com (ChucklesIV@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 25 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Letterman Message-ID: <198.3719f6ad.2f27e780@aol.com> Hey Pressed Rats and Warthogs, I am sure there will be a million posts on the Letterman comment, but EC of course did appear on Letterman in 1985 as a guest with Paul Schafer and his band. They would play inbetween commercials as the band typically does. The significance of this appearance is pretty great...it was the first time EC played White Room since 1968. One of the band members insisted that EC play the song with the band....White Room has been in and out of the regular EC set since that time...and we can thank late night TV! God bless ya, Johnny Carson! Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050125/a3654f69/attachment-0001.html From DSandlin at DRS-TEM.com Tue Jan 25 13:26:59 2005 From: DSandlin at DRS-TEM.com (Sandlin, Daniel) Date: Tue Jan 25 13:27:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Letterman Message-ID: <029D880648EA1D49BC9016D1FCAB2880011E2085@cosmo.pei.com> The TRIO network occasionally airs the Letterman show that EC was on. I have seen it within the last six months or so. DS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The gods had condemned Sisyphus to ceaselessly rolling a rock to the top of a mountain, whence the stone would fall back of its own weight. They had thought with some reason that there is no more dreadful punishment than futile and hopeless labor. Albert Camus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050125/3c213a0c/attachment.html From keith409 at webtv.net Tue Jan 25 16:37:45 2005 From: keith409 at webtv.net (Keith Ruskin) Date: Tue Jan 25 16:37:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <5013-41F6BC29-966@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remove the above email address off of your list. I have not been able to get yahoo to help me me with my password, and therefore cannot do it myself. I am going crazy, receiving 5 unwanted emails per day. Thank you. Keith Ruskin From ajcoleman at europe.com Tue Jan 25 18:25:30 2005 From: ajcoleman at europe.com (Aebhric Coleman) Date: Tue Jan 25 18:25:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Letterman Message-ID: <675ED2DA-6F28-11D9-9D19-000A95D040A0@europe.com> EC did also appear on Letterman in the early 1990s, as part of the Journeyman tour. I have a VHS somewhere of this show, and from memory I believe he played a gorgeous dark green strat and in fact did one of the rare live versions of Hard Times. Anyone with a better memory than mine or easy access to Marc Roberty's books? AJ From hugo.beer at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 25 20:52:28 2005 From: hugo.beer at ntlworld.com (Hugo Beer) Date: Tue Jan 25 20:52:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 47 References: <20050122130325.623768CC81@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <004301c50349$b2260820$90110350@BEER> Don't buy from scalpers, although they are very likely to obtain some tickets. I can tell you that the very good people at the RAH assure me every day (I ring every day) that absolutely NO TICKETS have been made available yet, NO TICKETS! These guys offer top tickets speculatively, meaning that the more difficult it gets, the more they will charge you. The RAH people also tell me that the contract between the RAH and the promoters have not yet been signed = hence, no tickets yet. An announcement will be made by the end of this week (announcement = telling every one when the tickets are for sale, at what prices and conditions). Check their eb-site - then set your timer / alarm clock (the RAH ticket office opens at 09.00 Hrs UK time). The announcement is also being made available in major news papers. Judging from previous events, you are more likely to get through by phone if you ring from abroad (??? sounds strange, but could be true?). Good luck to everyone Hugo > From: "Noah Seidenberg" > Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Ticket buyers in the UK > To: > Message-ID: <20050122003431.08A298C794@six.pairlist.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I really want to go to London and see Cream. I have never been out of the > USA besides Canada. > > I want to make the trip and see 2 nights and then tour England. > I feel sort of scared buying the tickets from the scalper's sites. > Can one of you good people in England or Europe give me and us some advice > on how we should buy the tickets? > I am willing to pay top dollar for this once in a life time chance to see > the power trio at RAH. > Noah Seidenberg > > May 5yh is my Birthday, its gonna be a gift to myself and family. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... From pkdippel at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 23:12:28 2005 From: pkdippel at yahoo.com (Phil Dippel) Date: Tue Jan 25 23:12:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman Message-ID: <20050126041228.79813.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> I only know of one appearance on Letterman on May 8th 1985. He performed as part of Paul Shaffer's band. On the TV broadcast only the first few and last few seconds of each song could be heard going into and out of commercials. Only the studio audience could enjoy the modified full versions of Layla, Lay Down Sally, White Room, Forever Man, Further On Up The Road, Same Old Blues & Knock On Wood which were all performed as instrumentals. There was no sit down interview. Eric has never appeared on any version of NBC's Tonight Show. Hope that covers it, Phil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From jbm90501 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 11:25:33 2005 From: jbm90501 at yahoo.com (James Fox) Date: Wed Jan 26 11:41:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] J.H. on Tonight show Message-ID: <20050126162533.32636.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> I somehow got the impression that after the Hendrix appearance on the Tonight show some musicians didn't care to do that sort of thing. It looked a bit off with the substitute drummer & the way it went. - Jim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From ajcoleman at europe.com Wed Jan 26 13:00:20 2005 From: ajcoleman at europe.com (Aebhric Coleman) Date: Wed Jan 26 13:00:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Television Message-ID: <24C9FE26-6FC4-11D9-9D19-000A95D040A0@europe.com> Dale, With respect, while Google is a great technical tool, it doesn't and certainly shouldn't replace collective or individual memory, no matter how faulty these may be. No need to slam folk for having an online chat in what is afterall a "discussion" forum. I agree of course, some preliminary web research before posting is essential - and not enough people do this. But the web doesn't always provide the answers. To give an example, nowhere on Google nor the EC FAQ you mentioned will you discover that EC was interviewed on Channel 4 (British TV channel) by the comic puppets Zig and Zag as part of the promotion of the film "The Van" during its premiere in Cannes in 1996. It's a fabulous short interview, EC completely groggy after having gotten out of his bed at 6am to be interviewed by two psychedelic, side-splittingly funny Irish fur-balls. Google doesn't have it, but my memory does. AJ From: Dale.Kalina@rrd.com Date: January 25, 2005 7:27:18 PM CET To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] TV One of the tings I love about the Internet and news groups and message boards is how willing people are to put in their $0.02 based on "I seem to recall.." or "I think...", etc. The recent flurry of activity regarding TV appearances is another great example. So far there have been 8 posts with no definitive information. Haven't you perople heard of Google? Check out: http://www.ericclaptonfaq.com/questions/ What_TV_shows_has_Clapton_appeared_on_around_the_world.htm Dale From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Wed Jan 26 13:41:01 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Wed Jan 26 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] late nite stuff In-Reply-To: <20050126170002.E31168C54C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <002c01c503d6$962eeeb0$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> 1. AJ, you are recalling a late nite show ?Night Music? (w/David Sanborn and Robert Cray) ? NY, NY ? 10/25/89 - (Old Love, Hard Times) where he played the 7up strat, not another letterman appearance. 2. Phil, you are correct there was no sitdown interview in 1985, but Dave did ask Eric a trivia question about music during the opening segment when dave sat down at his desk. regards sambo8 From gwornex at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 13:37:38 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Wed Jan 26 13:37:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tonite show musings Message-ID: <20050126183738.39209.qmail@web50010.mail.yahoo.com> As long as we're discussing the 'Tonite' show there was a disastrous appearance of Lennon and McCartney in 1968 on the show one nite when Joe Garagiola was the substitute host....For those that aren't famliar with him, he was a baseball player turned announcer and was totally out of his element interviewing them...They had come on the show to announce the formation of Apple.....Maybe EC saw that show and was scared off..:) g.w. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Jan 26 13:52:00 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Jan 26 13:55:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Letterman Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF47A@sunwex01.arivia.kom> You're talking about the show listed below. Is there anyone who can help me out on who the rest of the musicians were. Don't think it had anything to do with Letterman (not that I know much about American TV chat shows). I believe this show was hosted by David Sanborn. In previous seasons it was Sanborn and Jools Holland (believe it or not). TV Appearance: Night Music 25 October 1989: Rockefeller Center TV Studios, New York City, New York: U.S.A. (Broadcast on 17 November 1989) 1. Hard Times [Ray Charles] Eric Clapton - Guitar & Vocals David Sanborn - Alto Sax Hiram Bullock - Guitar Greg Phillinganes - Keyboards ... among others 2. Old Love [Eric Clapton & Robert Cray] Eric Clapton - Guitar & Vocals David Sanborn - Alto Sax Robert Cray - Guitar Hiram Bullock - Guitar Greg Phillinganes - Keyboards ... among others 3. Before You Accuse Me [Ellas McDaniel] Eric Clapton - Guitar & Vocals David Sanborn - Alto Sax Robert Cray - Guitar Hiram Bullock - Guitar Greg Phillinganes - Keyboards ... among others 4. Instrumental Jam Eric Clapton - Guitar David Sanborn - Alto Sax Robert Cray - Guitar Hiram Bullock - Guitar Greg Phillinganes - Keyboards ... among others Note: The rest of the musicians are from the Night Music House Band. -----Original Message----- From: Aebhric Coleman [mailto:ajcoleman@europe.com] Sent: 26 January 2005 01:26 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Letterman EC did also appear on Letterman in the early 1990s, as part of the Journeyman tour. I have a VHS somewhere of this show, and from memory I believe he played a gorgeous dark green strat and in fact did one of the rare live versions of Hard Times. Anyone with a better memory than mine or easy access to Marc Roberty's books? AJ NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Jan 26 14:14:34 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Jan 26 14:15:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF47B@sunwex01.arivia.kom> There was a sit down interview. I have pieces which I recorded to video (a few weeks later), broadcast on the Rick Dees (spelling???) Show and other snippets from somewhere else. The conversation went around Eric turning 40, not being as young as he used to be, not being able to jump around like Sting [Funny, he is more animated today at 59 ;-)] - the normal self-deprecation stuff we normally hear from him. It's a good thing that his music tells a different story. Perhaps someone would like to search Google for a transcript of the interview or solicit one from the CBS archives. ;-( Note also that 8 May 1985 (the date of the Late Night with Letterman show) was exactly a week after the Live Aid concert. >>>>>>There was no sit down interview. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From Dale.Kalina at rrd.com Wed Jan 26 17:37:23 2005 From: Dale.Kalina at rrd.com (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) Date: Wed Jan 26 17:37:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] TV Message-ID: AJ, The point of my post was not that Google is the end-all or be-all of all Clapton knowledge, but that 10-15 posts opining on whether or not EC was on the Letterman show with no basis for making the statement does not strike me as "discussion". Any yahoo with a PC can send posts that contain no useful information. I would prefer to read e-mails - such as yours about Zig and Zag - with information that is more than just a "me too' post on a topic that has already been beaten to death. In reviewing the Digest, I have learned this about EC on Letterman: - Some one is 95% certain he was never on the show (and has the courtesy to admit he was wrong about this) - He has been on twice -He was on once in 1985 - He was on a couple of times, including an appearance during the FTC tour - He was on circa 1985 - Someone thinks he may have been on in the 90's - He was on once in the 80's or 90', perhaps with Warren Zevon sitting in for Paul Shaffer - He was definitely on - He was definitely on in 1985 - He was on in the mid to late 80's - He was on in the early 90's - He was on May 8, 19985 - Someone recently saw a re-broadcast of the show - There was no sit down interview when he was on - There was a sit down interview when he was on What a wonderful, in-depth discussion! Greg, I recall the Lennon and McCartney show with Joe Garagiola as the substitute host. (May 14, 1968 according to Google). All I remember I that it was a shorter than usual show due to an overrun beyond 10:00 pm of whatever the network had on in prime time, so the Tonight Show was only about 45 minutes long instead of the usual 90 minutes or it could have been that my local station joined the broadcast in progress following a Minnesota Twins baseball game broadcast. I thought they were the only guests, although I have seen a reference to Tallulah Bankhead being another guest. I don't recollect the show being a disaster, although I am sure I was so excited about them being on, I really didn't care all that much about what they said or how the interview went. The following is from the book Johnny Tonight, published in 1980, by Pocket Books. The author is Craig Tennis, former Tonight Show staff member. During guest host stints, there have been a few times when Johnny's professionalism...were missed. The most memorable was years ago in New York, when John Lennon and Paul McCartney had astounded us all by offering, through their attorney to appear on the show. As I recall, they wanted to announce the formation of their new corporation, Apple, and while nobody could understand in the slightest why they would feel the need to promote it by coming on the Tonight Show, we weren't about to blow it by telling them so. The pre-interview was, as you can imagine, not held in the usual manner. They were at the peak of their popularity...recognized as musical geniuses, and the security precautions that had to be taken for their appearances were taking up all my time. It was decided that they would be brought into the studio via a loading ramp which appeared to go into Radio City Music Hall, but which actually wound around subterraneanly and into the basement of the RCA building. They were brought up in an obtrusive freight elevator under heavy N.Y.P.D. and internal security guard. They were then put in an out of the way dressing room two floors above where the show was being taped, and they were miraculously, never discovered there by fans. Teenagers had been swarming out all the exits and entrances to the building since dawn, and all day we had been finding girls hidden on the sixth floor in dressing rooms and in closets and even behind water fountains--everywhere. We also had unbelievable problems with tickets to the show. People of major importance were calling up...demanding tickets when they were all long gone. I remember putting aside two tickets for Simon & Garfunkel, and when they arrived, they discovered that two people impersonating them had picked up their tickets, and there was no way they could possibly get in. When I finally got a chance to go up and talk to John and Paul before the show, I found that while Paul was easygoing and polite, John was...a wiseacre. The interview wasn't easy for me--in fact I was freaked. How does one interview the biggest superstars in history at the apex of their glory without coming off like a boob? So I went the direct route and tried to find out what basically, they wanted to say to the audience and why. Apparently, the half dozen or so questions I asked made sense to them, and after the last one--which I don't remember, but at which their eyebrows shot up--they said,"Now, who is this man who's going to interview us, this Joe Garagiola person?" I told them who he was, (all in praise) but they had apparently already made up their minds that they didn't want Joe to interview them. What they wanted, to my horror, was for me to interview them. I spent five or ten minutes trying to explain to them that that was not possible, but it didn't sink in--at one point they even threatened not to do the show unless I would go on with them and do their interview. My life flashed before my eyes, I can tell you, because their was no way I was going to go out in front of that camera with the Beatles; not only would it have been a ridiculous condition upon which to end my tenure on the Tonight Show, but I knew that it would also cripple my career permanently. Eventually, I talked them out of it and they agreed to go on. But when they finally joined Joe, disaster struck. He started by asking one or two really silly questions and they went downhill from there. He just sat there saying things like, "Gee, I hope my kids get to see this," and "Boy, am I going to be a popular guy in the neighborhood." It was so inane that the Beatles became visibly uncomfortable, and Joe had to actually let them leave. The Beatles left believing that they had been sloughed off by this guy, and in a way, I guess they had been. I remember, too, some unfortunate and genuinely stupid highlights of their appearance. First of all, Tony Bennett, had gotten out of a sickbed to bring his eight-year-old son to the studio to meet them. Because of security, he couldnt get near them before the taping. Waiting backstage for them to come off, security whisked them by before he could even say hello. Tony shrugged philisophically, and his son seemed thrilled just having been that close to the legends he considered more important than his own father. The day before their apperance, I brought over the security director to NBC to meet with the head of our security. The Beatles' man was about six feet, three inches tall, distinguished looking in a blue three piece suit, and unusual for the times, had huge gray muttonchop whiskers. They discussed the routing for nearly an hour. Then when John and Paul were leaving from the underground garage, we were suddenly mobbed by kids who had somehow gotten in. So, what did the head of security do? He grabbed the Englishman by the muttonchops and banged his head against the limousine. You can find a transcriptt of the show at: http://www.mp3.com/updates.php?artist_id=3059&article_id=15089 Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050126/b82c9bf3/attachment-0001.html From EddyPauley at aol.com Wed Jan 26 18:36:13 2005 From: EddyPauley at aol.com (EddyPauley@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 26 18:36:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Live Aid" for the rest of us...... Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2005 5:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, slowhand-request@planet-torque.com writes: > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:14:34 +0200 > From: "Kevin Wilson" > Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman > To: "Phil Dippel" , > Message-ID: > <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF47B@sunwex01.arivia.kom> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > There was a sit down interview. I have pieces which I recorded to video > (a few weeks later), broadcast on the Rick Dees (spelling???) Show and > other snippets from somewhere else. The conversation went around Eric > turning 40, not being as young as he used to be, not being able to jump > around like Sting [Funny, he is more animated today at 59 ;-)] - the > normal self-deprecation stuff we normally hear from him. It's a good > thing that his music tells a different story. > > Perhaps someone would like to search Google for a transcript of the > interview or solicit one from the CBS archives. ;-( > > Note also that 8 May 1985 (the date of the Late Night with Letterman > show) was exactly a week after the Live Aid concert. > For the rest of the world Live Aid was July 13, 1985. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050126/1848c2c6/attachment.html From mangs88 at verizon.net Wed Jan 26 22:18:18 2005 From: mangs88 at verizon.net (sam mangano) Date: Wed Jan 26 22:18:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman References: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF47B@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Message-ID: <001b01c5041e$dab656c0$2d01a8c0@Family> kevin: i respectfully submit that you may be confusing the sit down interview conducted by David Brenner (comedian) on "Night Life". EC played cuts off August with Billy Preston on piano, and EC had a couple of lengthy discussions. I dont think EC left his stool next to Paul Schaeffer the whole show. I dont remember sting being discussed at either appearance, either... Regards Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Wilson" To: "Phil Dippel" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman There was a sit down interview. I have pieces which I recorded to video (a few weeks later), broadcast on the Rick Dees (spelling???) Show and other snippets from somewhere else. The conversation went around Eric turning 40, not being as young as he used to be, not being able to jump around like Sting [Funny, he is more animated today at 59 ;-)] - the normal self-deprecation stuff we normally hear from him. It's a good thing that his music tells a different story. Perhaps someone would like to search Google for a transcript of the interview or solicit one from the CBS archives. ;-( Note also that 8 May 1985 (the date of the Late Night with Letterman show) was exactly a week after the Live Aid concert. >>>>>>There was no sit down interview. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From KMaksin at NCICAP.org Wed Jan 26 22:24:58 2005 From: KMaksin at NCICAP.org (Ken Maksin) Date: Wed Jan 26 22:25:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] u know how time fades aw... Message-ID: <46AD4BEC55E47248B97086AFCEC37DC99D1099@cafs01.ncicap.org> Adding to Sambos comments re: EC's Letterman appearance, I have trouble remembering yesterday but I do remember EC's Lettermen appearance. Dave wasn't speaking to Eric directly but to a very funny actor/comedian, Fred Willard about some obscure song or ?? and Eric blurted out "Spike Jones". E knows his music trivia :-) Peace, Ken m >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. AJ, you are recalling a late nite show "Night Music" (w/David Sanborn and Robert Cray) - NY, NY - 10/25/89 - (Old Love, Hard Times) where he played the 7up strat, not another letterman appearance. 2. Phil, you are correct there was no sitdown interview in 1985, but Dave did ask Eric a trivia question about music during the opening segment when dave sat down at his desk. regards sambo8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050126/03675557/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Thu Jan 27 02:37:06 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Thu Jan 27 02:37:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF47E@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Ok, I'll dig out the video and review. I don't live in the US and we have never received Letterman in South Africa, so I could indeed be putting the wrong 2 and 2 together. Night Life: I take it this was the broadcast on 29 October 1986. I remember seeing 2 or 3 fuzzy pictures of EC and Billy at that show. If someone can direct me to the pictures, it will help me to compare, i.t.o. EC's clothing and hairstyle. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: sam mangano [mailto:mangs88@verizon.net] Sent: 27 January 2005 05:18 To: Kevin Wilson Cc: sd Subject: Re: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman kevin: i respectfully submit that you may be confusing the sit down interview conducted by David Brenner (comedian) on "Night Life". EC played cuts off August with Billy Preston on piano, and EC had a couple of lengthy discussions. I dont think EC left his stool next to Paul Schaeffer the whole show. I dont remember sting being discussed at either appearance, either... Regards Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Wilson" To: "Phil Dippel" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman There was a sit down interview. I have pieces which I recorded to video (a few weeks later), broadcast on the Rick Dees (spelling???) Show and other snippets from somewhere else. The conversation went around Eric turning 40, not being as young as he used to be, not being able to jump around like Sting [Funny, he is more animated today at 59 ;-)] - the normal self-deprecation stuff we normally hear from him. It's a good thing that his music tells a different story. Perhaps someone would like to search Google for a transcript of the interview or solicit one from the CBS archives. ;-( Note also that 8 May 1985 (the date of the Late Night with Letterman show) was exactly a week after the Live Aid concert. >>>>>>There was no sit down interview. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Thu Jan 27 03:00:51 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Thu Jan 27 03:01:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Live Aid" for the rest of us...... Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF482@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Correct, my mistake. 1 May 1985 was the date of the Live '85 concert, released on video. Kevin From: EddyPauley@aol.com [mailto:EddyPauley@aol.com] Sent: 27 January 2005 01:36 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] "Live Aid" for the rest of us...... In a message dated 1/26/2005 5:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, slowhand-request@planet-torque.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:14:34 +0200 From: "Kevin Wilson" Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman To: "Phil Dippel" , Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF47B@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There was a sit down interview. I have pieces which I recorded to video (a few weeks later), broadcast on the Rick Dees (spelling???) Show and other snippets from somewhere else. The conversation went around Eric turning 40, not being as young as he used to be, not being able to jump around like Sting [Funny, he is more animated today at 59 ;-)] - the normal self-deprecation stuff we normally hear from him. It's a good thing that his music tells a different story. Perhaps someone would like to search Google for a transcript of the interview or solicit one from the CBS archives. ;-( Note also that 8 May 1985 (the date of the Late Night with Letterman show) was exactly a week after the Live Aid concert. For the rest of the world Live Aid was July 13, 1985. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050127/b677f7ab/attachment.html From norm.deane at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 08:28:37 2005 From: norm.deane at gmail.com (Norm Deane) Date: Thu Jan 27 08:28:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59 In-Reply-To: <20050127073719.23D378C8EF@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050127073719.23D378C8EF@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <798c5cb60501270528527e55ec@mail.gmail.com> Picked up Hubert Sumlin's new About them Shoes (thanks for the tip Steve Proctor!). I love the opening track ("I'm Ready") with EC on vocals!! I've got a 40 minute commute home each afternoon and yesterday I listened to this track about 30 of the 45 minutes. Norm On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:37:19 -0500 (EST), slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: > Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. "Live Aid" for the rest of us...... (EddyPauley@aol.com) > 2. EC On Letterman (DeltaNick) > 3. Re: re: EC on Letterman (sam mangano) > 4. u know how time fades aw... (Ken Maksin) > 5. RE: re: EC on Letterman (Kevin Wilson) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:36:13 EST > From: EddyPauley@aol.com > Subject: [Slowhand] "Live Aid" for the rest of us...... > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In a message dated 1/26/2005 5:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com writes: > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:14:34 +0200 > > From: "Kevin Wilson" > > Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman > > To: "Phil Dippel" , > > Message-ID: > > <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF47B@sunwex01.arivia.kom> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > There was a sit down interview. I have pieces which I recorded to video > > (a few weeks later), broadcast on the Rick Dees (spelling???) Show and > > other snippets from somewhere else. The conversation went around Eric > > turning 40, not being as young as he used to be, not being able to jump > > around like Sting [Funny, he is more animated today at 59 ;-)] - the > > normal self-deprecation stuff we normally hear from him. It's a good > > thing that his music tells a different story. > > > > Perhaps someone would like to search Google for a transcript of the > > interview or solicit one from the CBS archives. ;-( > > > > Note also that 8 May 1985 (the date of the Late Night with Letterman > > show) was exactly a week after the Live Aid concert. > > > > For the rest of the world Live Aid was July 13, 1985. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050126/70cbbf82/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:48:30 -0500 > From: "DeltaNick" > Subject: [Slowhand] EC On Letterman > To: "Slowhand Digest" > Message-ID: <007c01c5041a$b0ac7480$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" > > Tsk, tsk, a well-known resource is being overlooked ... > > All of EC's TV appearances (well, that's what it says) are listed in the FAQ > section of Where's ERIC! > > http://www.ericclaptonfaq.com/questions/What_TV_shows_has_Clapton_appeared_on_around_the_world.htm > > DeltaNick > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050126/1848c2c6/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:18:18 -0500 > From: "sam mangano" > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman > To: "Kevin Wilson" > Cc: "sd" > Message-ID: <001b01c5041e$dab656c0$2d01a8c0@Family> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > kevin: > > i respectfully submit that you may be confusing the sit down interview > conducted by David Brenner (comedian) on "Night Life". EC played cuts off > August with Billy Preston on piano, and EC had a couple of lengthy > discussions. I dont think EC left his stool next to Paul Schaeffer the whole > show. I dont remember sting being discussed at either appearance, either... > > Regards > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Wilson" > To: "Phil Dippel" ; > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:14 PM > Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman > > There was a sit down interview. I have pieces which I recorded to video > (a few weeks later), broadcast on the Rick Dees (spelling???) Show and > other snippets from somewhere else. The conversation went around Eric > turning 40, not being as young as he used to be, not being able to jump > around like Sting [Funny, he is more animated today at 59 ;-)] - the > normal self-deprecation stuff we normally hear from him. It's a good > thing that his music tells a different story. > > Perhaps someone would like to search Google for a transcript of the > interview or solicit one from the CBS archives. ;-( > > Note also that 8 May 1985 (the date of the Late Night with Letterman > show) was exactly a week after the Live Aid concert. > > >>>>>>There was no sit down interview. > > NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to > the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: > http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the > disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, > please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You > will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:24:58 -0500 > From: Ken Maksin > Subject: [Slowhand] u know how time fades aw... > To: "'slowhand@planet-torque.com'" > Message-ID: <46AD4BEC55E47248B97086AFCEC37DC99D1099@cafs01.ncicap.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Adding to Sambos comments re: EC's Letterman appearance, > I have trouble remembering yesterday but I do remember EC's Lettermen > appearance. > Dave wasn't speaking to Eric directly but to a very funny actor/comedian, > Fred Willard about > some obscure song or ?? and Eric blurted out "Spike Jones". > E knows his music trivia :-) > > Peace, > Ken m > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1. AJ, you are recalling a late nite show "Night Music" (w/David Sanborn and > Robert Cray) - NY, NY - 10/25/89 - (Old Love, Hard Times) where he played > the 7up strat, not another letterman appearance. > > 2. Phil, you are correct there was no sitdown interview in 1985, but Dave > did ask Eric a trivia question about music during the opening segment when > dave sat down at his desk. > > regards > sambo8 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050126/03675557/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:37:06 +0200 > From: "Kevin Wilson" > Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman > To: "sam mangano" > Cc: > Message-ID: > <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF47E@sunwex01.arivia.kom> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ok, I'll dig out the video and review. > > I don't live in the US and we have never received Letterman in South > Africa, so I could indeed be putting the wrong 2 and 2 together. > > Night Life: I take it this was the broadcast on 29 October 1986. I > remember seeing 2 or 3 fuzzy pictures of EC and Billy at that show. If > someone can direct me to the pictures, it will help me to compare, > i.t.o. EC's clothing and hairstyle. > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: sam mangano [mailto:mangs88@verizon.net] > Sent: 27 January 2005 05:18 > To: Kevin Wilson > Cc: sd > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman > > kevin: > > i respectfully submit that you may be confusing the sit down interview > conducted by David Brenner (comedian) on "Night Life". EC played cuts > off > August with Billy Preston on piano, and EC had a couple of lengthy > discussions. I dont think EC left his stool next to Paul Schaeffer the > whole > show. I dont remember sting being discussed at either appearance, > either... > > Regards > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Wilson" > To: "Phil Dippel" ; > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:14 PM > Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: EC on Letterman > > There was a sit down interview. I have pieces which I recorded to video > (a few weeks later), broadcast on the Rick Dees (spelling???) Show and > other snippets from somewhere else. The conversation went around Eric > turning 40, not being as young as he used to be, not being able to jump > around like Sting [Funny, he is more animated today at 59 ;-)] - the > normal self-deprecation stuff we normally hear from him. It's a good > thing that his music tells a different story. > > Perhaps someone would like to search Google for a transcript of the > interview or solicit one from the CBS archives. ;-( > > Note also that 8 May 1985 (the date of the Late Night with Letterman > show) was exactly a week after the Live Aid concert. > > >>>>>>There was no sit down interview. > > NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is > subject to > the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: > http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access > the > disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy > thereof, > please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. > You > will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. > > NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > > End of Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59 > *************************************** > From korourke2 at wi.rr.com Thu Jan 27 08:57:17 2005 From: korourke2 at wi.rr.com (Kevin O'Rourke (Office)) Date: Thu Jan 27 09:27:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Jools Holland DVD Message-ID: <002601c50478$1ebcbf40$160a350a@ISID02137KevinORourke> I just finished this torrent last night. I watched portions of it on my PC but I have not burnt a DVD of it yet. Anyway I am offering this COMPLETE AND UNCUT show up to members of the digest. Note that this is the complete show with a little extra EC footage from BBC TV included on the end. Note this is a different source then the previous offer of this show on the digest. It is in PAL format along with some other shows that I have. I currently do not have the capabilities to convert it to NTSC. If someone does let me know because I would love to see this on my big screen. First 10 people to contact me can have a free copy. Let me know if you have a DVD burner so that I can let the digest know to expect a reoffer from you. After the first 10 if you have a burner I would love to work out a trade. Thanks, Kevin O'Rourke <<<<<<<>>>>>>> Jools Holland and his Rhythm & Blues Orchestra with Eric Clapton 22 January 2005 "Tsunami Relief Cardiff" Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales DVD Format: 16:9 PAL with MPEG audio and full menus Running Time: 42m 37s (Tsunami Relief Cardiff), 9m 40s (Suprise) Filesize: 1908 MB Source: Delayed TV broadcast on BBC One Wales, 22 Jan 2005, 10.20pm to 11.05pm Lineage: DVB Digital Satellite TV -> PC DVB Card -> HD (MPEG-2 TS) Video: 4.5Mbit/s 720x576 16:9 PAL MPEG-2 (original broadcast bitstream*) Audio: 256kbps/48KHz MPEG-1, Layer II (original broadcast bitstream*) Chapters: 01 - [Introductions] 02 - Tuxedo Junction 03 - Count Me In / Play It Sam / Count Me In 04 - [Jools Holland introducing Eric Clapton] 05 - Reconsider Baby 06 - Little Queen Of Spades 07 - Willie and the Hand Jive 08 - Everyday I've got the Blues 09 - You've Got To Love Her With Feeling 10 - CONCERT FINALE: Shake, Rattle and Roll * BBC One Wales cut into the performance about 8 seconds after Jools started his first song. The missing footage was sourced from an alternative broadcast, so this is a 100% complete recording. Tracks 2 and 3 were just Jools Holland and his band. Eric Clapton joined Jools on stage for tracks 5 onwards, and other artists who performed earlier in the day joined them both for the finale. This concert was broadcast on various TV and Radio stations in the UK, with BBC One Wales being the highest quality source. The whole concert from start to finish was carried live and uncut (and without cut-aways to studio presenters) on BBC Interactive TV (BBCi), but the video and audio quality was poorer than BBC One Wales (audio was 128kbps). BBC One Wales broadcast selected highlights of the performances from earlier in the day from 9pm to 10pm, plus a tape-delayed "as live" broadcast of the Jools Holland and Eric Clapton set from 10.20pm to 11.05pm (the performance actually started at 10pm, but BBC One Wales carried the national news from 10pm to 10.20pm). BBC One Wales cut into the performance about 8 seconds into the start of Jools Holland's first song. This has been "repaired" with a patch from the (very slightly lower quality) BBCi feed, consisting of about 1m 48 seconds of footage before the BBC One Wales broadcast started. Theses edits are as follows: VIDEO: the first 2m 8s is from BBCi, remaining from BBC One Wales AUDIO: the first 1m 48s of audio (the introductions and first 8 seconds of the music) from BBCi, remaining from BBC One Wales The BBCi audio needed to be re-encoded from 128kbps to 256kbps in order to be spliced together with the original BBC broadcast. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050127/4be90215/attachment-0001.html From daniel at hayesinstrument.com Thu Jan 27 09:43:37 2005 From: daniel at hayesinstrument.com (Daniel Shearon) Date: Thu Jan 27 09:43:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] pal to ntsc Message-ID: <20050127144340.D0C578C620@six.pairlist.net> I have seen a few folks post regarding the pal to ntsc conversion. This article http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=221928 explains how to do this with a freeware program. I have tried it on a couple of dvd's from eztree and it works. Daniel Shearon GPS Specialist Hayes Instrument Co. daniel@hayesinstrument.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005 From joeyjay at att.net Thu Jan 27 10:14:11 2005 From: joeyjay at att.net (joeyjay@att.net) Date: Thu Jan 27 10:14:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Blind Faith Video...does anyone have this? Message-ID: <012720051514.13753.41F905430006EAA1000035B92161243646970E06970A0106@att.net> Slowhanders, Hey, I just noticed this video listed on the Where's Eric website. Does anyone have a high quality copy of this that I can obtain? Please advise. I would love to make this footage a part of my collection. I've never seen it, except for part of Do What You Like. Cheers, JoeyJay Superstars in Concert, 7 June 1969, Blind Faith live in Hyde Park, London Includes: Well Alright, Sea of Joy, Sleeping In The Ground, Under My Thumb, Can't Find My Way Home, Do What You Like, Presence of the Lord, Means to An End, and Had to Cry Today From zetti at superig.com.br Thu Jan 27 12:31:16 2005 From: zetti at superig.com.br (Zetti) Date: Thu Jan 27 12:32:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] PAL to NTSC - It ain't right... In-Reply-To: <20050127170003.0E7828C29F@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050127092539.00b81900@pop.superig.com.br> Hi Daniel and all, >From: "Daniel Shearon" >Subject: [Slowhand] pal to ntsc >Message: 1 > >I have seen a few folks post regarding the pal to ntsc conversion. This >article http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=221928 explains how >to do this with a freeware program. I have tried it on a couple of dvd's >from eztree and it works. Please note that it's TECHNICALLY WRONG to use this method, as the post itself advises. This same site has many guides indicating how to do it properly, I recommend using VEGAS or CANOPUS PROCODER. They also mention a "hard" method using TMPGENc and AVISynth, I've tried it sometimes but with bad results, so, to do it properly I'd stick with the tools mentioned above. Cheers, Zetti Please visit my trade list at: http://www.xroads.hpg.com.br From marco at whereseric.com Thu Jan 27 14:04:26 2005 From: marco at whereseric.com (Marco / Where's Eric!) Date: Thu Jan 27 14:05:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] **CREAM TICKETS ON SALE MONDAY 31/1** Official News from Where's Eric! Message-ID: <41F93B3A.403@whereseric.com> Where's ERIC! The Eric Clapton Fan Club and Magazine is pleased to announce that tickets for the Cream Reunion Concerts will go on sale this Monday, 31 January, at 9AM (GMT - UK Time!). The concerts will take place at London's Royal Albert Hall on May 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th, 2005. There will be no tickets sold at the Royal Albert Hall Box Office on Monday. Tickets will be sold **ONLY** by phone and internet. For further information, including how to purchase tickets, visit www.whereseric.com. Regards, Marco on behalf of the The Where's ERIC! Team -- ==================================================== Marco van Rooijen - marco@whereseric.com Web Co-ordinator Where's ERIC! - The Eric Clapton Fan Club & Magazine Visit us on the web at: www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com ==================================================== From Feeeb3 at aol.com Thu Jan 27 14:21:59 2005 From: Feeeb3 at aol.com (Feeeb3@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 27 14:25:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 58 Message-ID: <198.37478e1f.2f2a9957@aol.com> I seem to remember EC on Letterman in the 80s--Letterman said something about how he was hanging out outside trying to pick up a band to play with!!?? I do have it on tape but I have no idea which tape it's on!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz Thu Jan 27 19:45:51 2005 From: Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz (Duncan McKie) Date: Thu Jan 27 19:46:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Groupie songs Message-ID: Not solely a Clapton question here, but we were haveing a few beers over friday lunch, as you do, and talking about songs etc and got onto groupie songs, and tried to come up with as many as we could think of. we got: Stay with Me -The faces All night Long - Rainbow Star Star - The Stones Famous Groupies - Wings/Macca Walk On the wild Side - Lou Reed Now we know there are more out there. Did Clapton write any gentle ode to the groupie? Couldn't think of any off hand (WT doesn't count!!) Any other non-Clapton groupie songs anyone can think of? Mail off list if any help Cheers Duncan McKie Desktop Support Infinity Solutions Ltd P O Box 2390, Wellington Ph: +64 4 471 5600, Mob: +64 27 485 3249 Fx: +64 4 472 6796 www.infinitysolutions.co.nz The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's great when a bunch of people join in, sometimes one gets a new perspective, or someone points out something that could otherwise be missed. For the record - the Letterman Show performance was on May 8, 1985. There was no formal interview segment, but there were a few interchanges. I added some cover art, a track listing, and best of all, a few mp3 snippets from the show to the Geetarz site so everyone could check it out: http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/1985-05-08-letterman.htm Also, thanks to Aebhric for reminding me of something I had even forgotten about - those insane puppets! This has to go down as one of the more surreal EC appearances. After an evening of digging through the Geetarz vaults (and, literally, under the couch in the den !!!), we have liftoff! One day this will find its way onto a nice compilation DVD, but until then, everyone should have a chance to check out this weirdness, so here goes: http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/1996-big-breakfast.htm Enjoy !!! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 23:51:04 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Jan 27 23:51:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: PAL to NTSC Message-ID: <20050128045104.9063.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> I have seen a few folks post regarding the pal to ntsc conversion. This article http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=221928 explains how to do this with a freeware program. I have tried it on a couple of dvd's from eztree and it works. ----------- It "works" on only a few player, and then only in a sort of painfully half-assed way. NTSC is 30 (okay, 29.97, but who's counting?) frames per second, and PAL is 25. These hack conversions - when they do work - resort to doubling frames to pad out the remaining space, resulting in a stuttering, somewhat spastic playback. And let's consider the *real* run. Due to the framerate difference, some hacked conversions will cause a pitch change, leaving EC sounding like either the Chipmunks (a US cartoon show, featuring characters with sped up voices at a high pitch), or perhaps Barry White, depending on which way the conversion goes. Yikes ! TMPGEnc is an excellent transcoder, but requires some (well, a lot) of work to get it to perform well for transcoding. I know, as I spent an unreasonable amount of time the past two weeks coercing previously unreleased audience digital footage from the RAH shows this spring into NTSC format for future release. You can make transfers easy with just two words: Canopus Procoder The only drawback? S L O O O O W W W W W W W W W .... Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From artaarias at yahoo.com Fri Jan 28 02:13:23 2005 From: artaarias at yahoo.com (Art Arias) Date: Fri Jan 28 02:13:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream concert tickets Message-ID: <20050128071323.3718.qmail@web21128.mail.yahoo.com> Royal Albert Hall website has the following information: Special Announcement: Cream In Concert Tickets for Cream will go onsale at 9am on Monday 31st January and are only available at the following official outlets: Bookings Direct: www.wayahead.com to book online or telephone 0870 143 2208 Royal Albert Hall: Telephone sales only: 020 7589 8212 (NOTE: NO ONLINE OR IN-PERSON SALES) The Royal Albert Hall does not recommend customers purchasing tickets from unauthorized ticket agents. Tickets purchased from other sources may be refused entry. Please ring the Box Office to verify authorized agents. http://www.royalalberthall.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From ajcoleman at europe.com Fri Jan 28 04:04:53 2005 From: ajcoleman at europe.com (Aebhric Coleman) Date: Fri Jan 28 04:05:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Zig & Zag Message-ID: Dear AG, You completely made my morning by posting the Zig & Zag show. It had been years since I'd seen it and it's really fabulous. Super funny clip. As regards dates, I believe it was somewhere around 9-11 May 1996, when the festival kicked off. "The Van" was actually one of the earlier premi?res in Cannes that year - God knows why, as it's a pretty woeful film. I'm from Dublin, so I can even put my prejudices aside to say that! The music's pretty good though. On that point, do you know if anyone's ever had the patience or skill (or better still, sly hands at the recording studio) to get a CD copy of the soundtrack. They were originally to release it and then decided against, and it's kind of painful having to watch the film just to have the odd riff thrown in amongst the greasy batter burgers and chips and drunken screams of "Ol? Ol? Ol?"! Best, Aebhric From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Fri Jan 28 05:44:18 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Fri Jan 28 05:44:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Broadcasts Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF4D4@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Referring to recent discussions with Sam Mangano and Phil Dippel, among others, I have now been convinced that the interview I have is *not* from the Letterman show on 8th May 1985. AG's photograph (see link way down below) is at the same venue depicted in Marc Roberty's "Clapton: The Complete Chronicle", Page 118, bottom picture. Note: Eric could well be wearing the same jacket in the interview I have. Anyone have a link to a colour picture? Unfortunately, I do not have means to scan in from the video - at this time, but hopefully the descriptions in the interview below will help. That aside, please help to identify this interview from 1985 (with detail on Blind Faith c/o EC, probably referring only to the US part of the tour): Segment 1 Video of "Forever Man". Commentary over video: At age 40, Eric Clapton has to be recognised as an enormous influence on the music scene, having played in bands such as the Yardbirds, Cream and the band critics labelled as a supergroup, Blind Faith, Clapton now continues with his solo career. <> Interviewer: There are so many people that have said, "Gee, I wish Eric would go back to that Cream thing. To that power...." Eric: <> God forbid! Interviewer: That's far away, isn't it? Eric: It was never really very happy for me to play that way. It was overworked. I still think if Cream had had another musician in the band it would have been a lot better. Keyboard player or another guitar player, so that I didn't have to do all of that. It would have been happier. <> Interviewer: You had that with Blind Faith and you ended that band after one album. Eric: That was because - uuhm - I think we were hyped, too badly. Just rushed into it. We were happy for a while and then we were launched onto the market - big time. We didn't go through clubs. We didn't get a chance to build up anything. We went straight into Madison Square Garden - first gig. We were frightened to death. It was white-knuckle time. Terrifying! Interviewer: That kind of takes away from it. Eric: Oh yeah, you couldn't enjoy it. <> Commentator: Clapton certainly is enjoying music these days. He's made a progressive move with his latest album, "Behind the Sun", by using Grammy winner Phil Collins as a producer. <> Eric: He's fantastic. He's got this touch that if you just relax around him and do it at his pace. He isn't fast - he doesn't work fast. He just goes steadily through the day. He doesn't stop, or ... you have an hour for lunch - exactly an hour. There's no dawdling, you just get straight into that. And at the end of the month, we had done the album - exactly - there was nothing left over. It was exactly an album. Interviewer: What do you think of the American music scene right now? Eric: Oh it's dynamite - really good. I'm glad that it's in such good shape. It's terrible when you come here from England and everyone's raving about the English. I mean, they're still doing it. But when the American's go crazy for an English fad, it's very boring - 'cause then they start swallowing all the pulp, as well. Thank God that doesn't seem to be happening right now. Interviewer: Did you ever get involved in that fear that a lot of musicians have that they're going to end up in some lounge playing their old hits? Eric: Sting said somewhere he wants to get into films because he doesn't want to be seen to be leaping around in old age. That's silly - because if he hadn't started leaping around in the first place, he wouldn't have to do it now. If he could have just been cool, then he could retire cool. Couldn't he? Interviewer: So then your cool, laid back approach is premeditated? Eric: (Laughs). I planned it all out years ago. Segment 2 Eric: I was very lucky that what I was doing, when I did it, when I started playing, was just seen to be unique in my part of the world. In England there were very few other guitar players doing it and I just carried on. And really, I was just imitating someone playing the Blues in Chicago. It's just that there was no one doing it in England. It bounced back to America and they became aware of it. And everyone else has developed the styles now. They're all complete individuals, but it's great to have been at the beginning. Segment 3 Eric: I was completely like a monk. I think it was to do with music. It was because I wanted to really find out everything I could musically and really hone the art of it. Actually, refine it. When I reached a stage of satisfaction, I suppose, I must have thought, "I've been missing something here". That may have been a big mistake. Perhaps it was. Perhaps I didn't miss anything at all. But I saw people having fun via substances, so I went for that. Eric: I really wish I hadn't done it. I see it all as a total waste of time; and I'm not saying that just to be moral or kind of goody-goody, but I do think that anyone who is dabbling in drugs is wasting time. I really could have done a lot more with my life. Eric: I was fully expecting to pass away before I was ever 30 years old. A lot of us felt that way. Some of the Englishmen, like Pete Townshend, were determined not to make it to the age of 30. So when I got to 30, I felt like maybe it was all over. What am I doing? I shouldn't really be alive. Maybe I started trying to do things that would stop me living. But for 10 years - all my 30's were a mess. I'm 40 now and really relieved to be here, 'cause I hated my 30's. <> -----Original Message----- From: Almighty Geetarz [mailto:almighty_geetarz@yahoo.com] Sent: 28 January 2005 06:36 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Broadcasts Hello All, <> http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/1985-05-08-letterman.htm <> Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005 From dob1977 at verizon.net Fri Jan 28 12:10:10 2005 From: dob1977 at verizon.net (DOB) Date: Fri Jan 28 12:10:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RIP Jim Capaldi Message-ID: <20050128171010.MUAQ12052.out002.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Another one of the greats has passed. LONDON (Reuters) - Legendary rock drummer and Hall of Fame inductee Jim Capaldi died on Friday after a brief fight with stomach cancer, his publicist said. The 60-year-old Capaldi, born in England of Italian immigrant parents, died in his sleep at the London Clinic in the early hours with his wife and family at his bedside. Capaldi, whose driving rock rhythms and songwriting ability helped make groundbreaking band Traffic a household name in the 1960s and 70s with ? among others ? Steve Winwood and Dave Mason ? also had an illustrious solo career. "Steve rang me when he heard this morning. He is very upset. They were very close and had plans to record and tour again. He was praying Jim would recover from his illness," Winwood's manager Mick Newton told Reuters. Capaldi was inducted into the U.S. Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame in March 2004, just five months before being diagnosed with terminal cancer. When Traffic finally broke up in 1974 after releasing 11 albums ? including the iconic songs 40,000 Headmen, Dear Mr Fantasy and Paper Sun ? Capaldi was already doing solo work. He moved to solo success with the albums Fierce Heart and Some Come Running while touring with his own band The Contenders. Capaldi was already working on his 12th solo album when Winwood ? who also scored major solo successes ? called him back to collaborate on a new album. One thing led to another and Traffic reformed in 1993 followed by a major five-month tour of the United States in 1994, including appearing at Woodstock and playing alongside The Grateful Dead. In 1998, Capaldi teamed up with fellow Traffic founder Mason to tour again. Capaldi was five times winner of BMI or ASCAP awards for the most played songs in America and cooperated closely with Eric Clapton, George Harrison, Bob Marley, Carlos Santana and the Eagles among others. In 1975 he married Brazilian-born Aninha and spent much time with her helping the street children of her native country. From korourke2 at wi.rr.com Fri Jan 28 09:16:20 2005 From: korourke2 at wi.rr.com (Kevin O'Rourke (Office)) Date: Fri Jan 28 14:29:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Relief DVD Message-ID: <000001c5056d$9ea0f550$160a350a@ISID02137KevinORourke> OK here are the first ten people to contact me. I cannot force you but I hope that everyone who gets a copy of this makes some sort of Tsunami relief donation to the organization of your choice. After all that is what this concert was for in the first place. Remember that this is a PAL format show so most of the USA winners will not be able to play this in their regular DVD player. I burnt two copies last night and tried them in my PC and they work just fine but not on my DVD player. I should have the rest of them done by the end of this weekend and in the mail. Five with burners and five without. So expect some reoffers to the digest in the near future. Roy D. Houston (DVD) USA Aaron Little (DVD) USA Scott Sloan (Burnerless) USA Deborah Napoli (Burnerless) ??? James Vlahakis (Burnerless) USA Gordon Ivett (DVD) London, UK Norm Deane (Burnerless) USA Stephan Schroder (DVD) Germany Peter Meier (DVD) Austria Jay Vargas (Burnerless) USA The response was overwhelming with the number of people who wanted a copy. Sorry that I cannot accomodate more. There are some others that contacted me after the first ten that I'll contact off the list for some trades so do not despair. KO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050128/af49a065/attachment.html From nrm at houston.rr.com Fri Jan 28 19:39:06 2005 From: nrm at houston.rr.com (Nick) Date: Fri Jan 28 19:39:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Poster Artwork Message-ID: <005701c5059a$f09a6580$34f5ce44@Stonemont> Anyone know who did the artwork on the Poster that is at http://www.jackbruce.com/. Looks like Martin Sharp's work NickM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050128/654b9d4b/attachment.html From solron at optonline.net Fri Jan 28 21:08:48 2005 From: solron at optonline.net (Sol Fischler) Date: Fri Jan 28 21:11:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RIP Jim Capaldi Message-ID: I met him after one of his shows with Dave Mason a number of years ago -- what a gentleman. He agreed to help me with a film I was trying to put together about Jim Gordon -- he seemed friendly and genuinely interested. I found out later that he was on record as saying that Gordon and Rick Grech's involvement in Traffic was a huge disappointment to the rest of the band, but he didn't get into any of that with me. Just caring about how JG was doing. A real sweet guy. RIP Jim. -- Sol http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/28/people.capaldi.reut/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050128/ebb1584b/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 00:06:36 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sat Jan 29 00:06:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Oh, Alberta ... Message-ID: <20050129050637.21021.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Okay Claptomaniacs, Now that we've dealt with crazed muppets and caustic late night tv hosts, now I've a real brain twister for y'all. How about this one... http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1996-alberta.mpg Any ideas? Judging by hairstyle and specs, I am thinking 1996, but then again it could be any time 1992-1996. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Cheers, AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Sat Jan 29 06:56:15 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Sat Jan 29 06:56:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Oh, Alberta ... Message-ID: Hi everyone. Well that video looks like an award ceremony no? Cheers, Etienne For the time, between 1993-1996. From blues4jr at aol.com Sat Jan 29 08:51:28 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 29 08:51:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC quote on Cream Message-ID: <650D831E.7BFD31B0.00955D93@aol.com> "I don't believe we'll get it over to the public. People will always listen with biased ears, look through unbelieving eyes, and with preconceived ideas, remembering what we used to be, and so on. The only way to combat this is to present them with as many facets of your music as possible." Melody Maker October 15, 1966 Interesting...he could have said this yesterday and it would still apply. John From iampigpen at comcast.net Sat Jan 29 09:24:04 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Sat Jan 29 09:24:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] question about encore in '90 Message-ID: <001201c5060e$322dac50$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Got a question for everyone. I've recieved a show recently that has EC playing "Sweet Little Rock and Roller" during the encore. The show is reportedly from St Louis during the '90 tour. I've looked through the Tourography and no mention of this song in an encore. "Crossroads", yes but not this Chuck Berry tune. I am looking for someone that attended this 1990 St Louis show and to verify it for sure. Could Eric have played this particular song for some kind of tribute to Chuck Berry? Was Chuck Berry from St Louis? I know the special event held for Chuck in which Eric attended was in St Louis. Any idea? The set list for this concert is the same as the '90 tour (and we all know how the set list is in stone) It's not impossible for EC to change his encores now and then. In Greenville SC in 2004 he played "Sweet Home Chicago" as the encore. Thanks for any info. Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050129/dd46ec7d/attachment.html From boultonaj at hotmail.com Sat Jan 29 15:17:21 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Sat Jan 29 15:18:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Oh Alberta... Message-ID: The file name says 1996. Isn't it part of the Unplugged Concert? Tony ********************************* Any ideas? Judging by hairstyle and specs, I am thinking 1996, but then again it could be any time 1992-1996. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Cheers, AG From Mowdamowda at hotmail.com Sat Jan 29 20:04:29 2005 From: Mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Sat Jan 29 20:04:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] John Daughtry - where are you? Message-ID: Sorry for the personal message. John Daughtry, I tried to email you but no go. Would you please email me. Thanks Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 22:38:13 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sat Jan 29 22:38:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beano vs. Layla vs. ... Message-ID: <20050130033813.22502.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> Okay, so it's not Beano, and it's not Layla. So, what is it? I'm probably in a minority opinion here, but have always felt that EC's mid-1980s work is some of his finest. Perhaps some people react more to the production values and style (synth keyboards, gated snare drums, slick reverb) and are missing the heart of the matter? Here's my take on a couple of albums that may not have gotten a fair shake from many Slowhanders: http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/masterfile-12-august-sessions.htm Maybe - just maybe - you might find it's time for a relisten! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 22:47:56 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sat Jan 29 22:47:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Re: Alberta Message-ID: <20050130034756.8434.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> The file name says 1996. Isn't it part of the Unplugged Concert? ----------- The file name says that because I just applied the WAG principle. (for the uninitiated, this is an engineering term for a 'Wild Assed Guess') This has nothing to do with Unplugged! As someone else pointed out, this appears to be a much larger venue. Plus, Unplugged was the tortoise specs, longer hair, and the monied English Gentleman look, clothing wise. I'm actually surprised no one on the SD has been able to identify the clip. I honestly don't know, it's not listed anywhere I can find. I found it on the VHS tape sent my someone mysterious (meaning I can't remember who sent it). This tape also contained the insane Irish muppets, thus my guess of 1996 ! For anyone else who wants to take a shot at an ID ... http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1996-alberta.mpg I'll admit it, this one's got me stumped ! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Sun Jan 30 09:48:52 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Sun Jan 30 09:48:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 Message-ID: Hi Everyone! Does anyone received the Paris 2004 DVD ? Etienne. From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 13:32:14 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sun Jan 30 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] R: Oh, Alberta In-Reply-To: <41FD2760.000020.00200@MRX> References: <41FD2760.000020.00200@MRX> Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050130103285917ec@mail.gmail.com> Been haunted by that for a while! I'd date it back to early 1992, March perhaps. I think that's what he'd pretty much look like in those days (and when I saw him, giving up washing my right hand for months afterwards ). Also, looks like the venue has a stage-surrounding audience area, definitely not the Albert Hall's, uhm. A US award ceremony, most likely? Cheers Gaetano P.S.: impressing shirt lol From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 13:38:33 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sun Jan 30 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beano vs. Layla vs. ... In-Reply-To: <41FD277C.000022.00200@MRX> References: <41FD277C.000022.00200@MRX> Message-ID: <2fcd9d410501301038476632ec@mail.gmail.com> M/AG >> I'm probably in a minority opinion here, but have always felt that EC's mid-1980s work is some of his finest. >> I definitely agree, that's too underrated in Eric's career. >> Maybe - just maybe - you might find it's time for a relisten! >> I've always loved Same Old Blues (not a straight blues, weirdly) and Miss You for the guitar work. Walk Away and Hold On (nice guitar also near the end) for their purity and mood. Not to mention Holy Mother. Cheers Gaetano From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 13:39:24 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sun Jan 30 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] the insane Irish muppets thing In-Reply-To: <41FD2797.000025.00200@MRX> References: <41FD2797.000025.00200@MRX> Message-ID: <2fcd9d410501301039a5e1235@mail.gmail.com> I missed the "insane Irish muppets" thing. Is there anything on Geetarz having to do with it? Cheers Gaetano From darmel at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 30 14:15:46 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Sun Jan 30 14:15:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beano vs. Layla vs. ... Message-ID: <20050130191546.72659.qmail@web81706.mail.yahoo.com> Good thought, Mark. I have to agree with AG's comments below. From 1987, one of my favorites (from Behind the Sun tour) is "Same Old Blues" (affectionately SOB). BIG production. WELL done. EXCELLENT sound. I'll have to find that 1986 SHMaster File someday - sounds good. Mel > >Message: AG said "...always felt that EC's mid-1980s work >is some of his finest. Perhaps some people react more to the >production values and style (synth keyboards, gated >snare drums, slick reverb) and are missing the heart >of the matter?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050130/6d0d7ab5/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Sun Jan 30 14:38:50 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Sun Jan 30 14:38:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Re: Alberta Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF4EA@sunwex01.arivia.kom> My Corporate Network or whatever won't allow me to open the file. But if it's an acoustic performance of "Alberta" by Eric with only Steve Gadd on washboard (??) and Jerry Portnoy on Harmonica, then it's from the following show: Benefit Concert for the Prince's Trust: A Royal Gala 19 March 1996: Royal Albert Hall, London: ENGLAND I've seen the whole show on TV and that was Eric's only performance that night. I don't remember the other acts, off-hand, but performances included dancing, comedy, pop, classic and whatever else is wretchedly entertaining. All-in-all a rather stiff affair ;-) Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Almighty Geetarz [mailto:almighty_geetarz@yahoo.com] Sent: 30 January 2005 05:48 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Re: Alberta The file name says 1996. Isn't it part of the Unplugged Concert? ----------- The file name says that because I just applied the WAG principle. (for the uninitiated, this is an engineering term for a 'Wild Assed Guess') This has nothing to do with Unplugged! As someone else pointed out, this appears to be a much larger venue. Plus, Unplugged was the tortoise specs, longer hair, and the monied English Gentleman look, clothing wise. I'm actually surprised no one on the SD has been able to identify the clip. I honestly don't know, it's not listed anywhere I can find. I found it on the VHS tape sent my someone mysterious (meaning I can't remember who sent it). This tape also contained the insane Irish muppets, thus my guess of 1996 ! For anyone else who wants to take a shot at an ID ... http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1996-alberta.mpg I'll admit it, this one's got me stumped ! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. 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Isn't it part of the > Unplugged Concert? > > ----------- > > The file name says that because I just applied the WAG > principle. > > (for the uninitiated, this is an engineering term for > a 'Wild Assed Guess') > > > > This has nothing to do with Unplugged! As someone > else pointed out, this appears to be a much larger > venue. Plus, Unplugged was the tortoise specs, longer > hair, and the monied English Gentleman look, clothing > wise. > > I'm actually surprised no one on the SD has been able > to identify the clip. I honestly don't know, it's not > listed anywhere I can find. I found it on the VHS tape > sent my someone mysterious (meaning I can't remember > who sent it). This tape also contained the insane > Irish muppets, thus my guess of 1996 ! > > For anyone else who wants to take a shot at an ID ... > > http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1996-alberta.mpg > > I'll admit it, this one's got me stumped ! > > Cheers, > AG > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 30 15:23:40 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 30 15:24:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beano vs. Layla vs. ... References: <20050130033813.22502.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cf01c50709$a6163320$a68b29d8@Kelly> Nice read. I personally enjoy August and Behind The Sun a lot. Of course some of the '80s style isn't my favorite, but overall these albums are great. "Wanna Make Love to You" is one of my faves. Then again I think "It's In The Way That You Use It" is a keeper too. :) Kelly ----------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almighty Geetarz" To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Beano vs. Layla vs. ... > Okay, so it's not Beano, and it's not Layla. > > So, what is it? > > I'm probably in a minority opinion here, but have > always felt that EC's mid-1980s work is some of his > finest. Perhaps some people react more to the > production values and style (synth keyboards, gated > snare drums, slick reverb) and are missing the heart > of the matter? > > Here's my take on a couple of albums that may not have > gotten a fair shake from many Slowhanders: > > http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/masterfile-12-august-sessions.htm > > Maybe - just maybe - you might find it's time for a > relisten! > > Cheers, > AG > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 30 15:27:17 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 30 15:28:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD freebies References: <20050130170002.6A24A8C654@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <00db01c5070a$2a8083e0$a68b29d8@Kelly> Thanks to AG I can offer three copies of the Paris dvd. They will be on DVD+R, and I can take one burnerless person. If you have a burner keep the dvd going. Email me at my email addy and not the digest. Oh, and I may not be able to get the dvd's out until next weekend due to having a bad burner. They will go out though. Kelly ---------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 15:34:09 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sun Jan 30 15:34:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re:Re:Re: Alberta Message-ID: <2fcd9d410501301234517f0008@mail.gmail.com> Kelly, >I like to think I can pick any year, at least >within a reasonable range, by looking at EC. ;-) > >Kelly that's what I thought too, but as soon as I read Kevin's pretty sensible answer, I felt miserably wrong :-((. Cheers Gaetano From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 15:55:23 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sun Jan 30 15:55:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Oh, Alberta Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105013012555b970961@mail.gmail.com> >Benefit Concert for the Prince's Trust: A Royal Gala >19 March 1996: Royal Albert Hall, London: ENGLAND Actually, I got mixed up about the year in my take to AG's brain-twister. Shame on me. But had recalled properly it was in March. Definitely, Eric looked liked that in (March) '96, I agree with Kevin. Cheers Gaetano From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 16:15:57 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sun Jan 30 16:16:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Alberta Message-ID: <20050130211557.12597.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the responses, y'all were able to nail this one down conclusively - thanks! I can sympathize with those who can't access because of dialup, as I have the same problem - here's a tip, and what I did to get it loaded: start it when you go to bed at night! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Jan 30 16:22:56 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Jan 30 16:23:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re:Re:Re: Alberta References: <2fcd9d410501301234517f0008@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c50711$de42b7c0$a68b29d8@Kelly> Ah yes, Gaetano, but don't forget I'm female. lol ;-) Kelly ------------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaetano Villari" To: "Slowhand Digest" Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re:Re:Re: Alberta > Kelly, > >>I like to think I can pick any year, at least >>within a reasonable range, by looking at EC. ;-) >> >>Kelly > > that's what I thought too, but as soon as I read Kevin's pretty > sensible answer, I felt miserably wrong :-((. > > Cheers > Gaetano > > From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Sun Jan 30 16:39:19 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Sun Jan 30 16:39:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] It's Nobody's Fault But Mine Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7030BF4EC@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Thanks for not mentioning the little Blind Willie Johnson piece by Eric on "Sessions for Robert J". 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From dustyvalentino at hotmail.com Mon Jan 31 07:14:22 2005 From: dustyvalentino at hotmail.com (Dusty Valentino) Date: Mon Jan 31 07:16:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets Message-ID: Well, I gave up after three hours of trying to get Cream tickets on the web AND by phone, by which point there were already tickets up on ebay. Seems like the website was a bit of a shambles, as was the telephone service, which didn't appear to have a queue system or anything. Did anyone manage to get tickets, or did they all go to scalpers? Regards, Matt Duncan From rsmith at sncag.com Mon Jan 31 07:17:21 2005 From: rsmith at sncag.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon Jan 31 07:17:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] I'm so glad! I got tix! Message-ID: <00d701c5078e$d3641830$a905a8c0@Robslaptop2> Hi Everybody, Well out of some miracle, I ended up getting 3rd row for the May 5th show and 4th row behind the stage for the final Cream show ever! I hope you guys had good luck getting tickets as well. Does anybody know how bad the seats are behind the stage? Best Regards, Rob Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/d8f6cc84/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 31 07:37:08 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 31 07:37:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD offer *closed* Message-ID: <006501c50791$94e5fd00$e98c29d8@Kelly> Sorry I can't send the show to everyone. I would send more if my burner was working, but it's not. But, cheap plug here, within the next week I plan on offering two or three copies up at my EC forum, see link below, and maybe some of you can get the show there. :) Here are the digesters getting the dvd: Olivier Taniou (France - burnerless) Joachim Altschuh (Germany - burner) Dave Dell (USA - burner) Kelly ----------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/0265dde6/attachment-0001.html From hugo.beer at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 31 07:48:59 2005 From: hugo.beer at ntlworld.com (Hugo Beer) Date: Mon Jan 31 07:48:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cream Tickets References: <20050131123727.7FFF98CCEE@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <009701c50793$3d575e10$90110350@BEER> Well, these "ticket sales" are always a shambles. I went on 2 web-sites (always down, or when you get through you get to the point of selecting seats, at which time the web-site crashes again and again). It was the same for last year's tour, I really don't know why these companies get the job (anything to do with backhanders??) And to ring on THAT number is a waste of time anyway: when you got through a recorded message tells you to go to their web-site (which doesn't work) and that your call will be cut off. So much for customer service - but then, who has to make any effort when you can sell out each seat a few hundred times over......and too many of them to scalpers, no doubt Ah, now the good news: I got my tickets (row 6 in the arena, close to stage) but that's another story. Hugo > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:14:22 +0000 > Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets > Well, I gave up after three hours of trying to get Cream tickets on the > web > AND by phone, by which point there were already tickets up on ebay. Seems > like the website was a bit of a shambles, as was the telephone service, > which didn't appear to have a queue system or anything. > Did anyone manage to get tickets, or did they all go to scalpers? > Regards, > Matt Duncan From slowhand at salisbury.net Mon Jan 31 07:56:35 2005 From: slowhand at salisbury.net (Steve Proctor) Date: Mon Jan 31 07:56:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Looking for Cream tickets Message-ID: <002901c50794$4bd93ed0$d38952a6@SteveProctor> What A Bringdown! 3.5 hours online and dialing the phone and no luck getting Cream tickets. It appears that everything is sold out. I'm interested in a pair of tickets, any or all nights! Steve Proctor slowhand@salisbury.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/7f8e4b24/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 31 07:58:13 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 31 07:58:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets References: Message-ID: <004201c50794$86ecd770$e98c29d8@Kelly> I've got tickets!!!! Two people in England were trying for me. I hope everyone who wants tickets gets them, and Matt, I'm sure someone can hook you up. I hope so. :-) Kelly ---------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty Valentino" To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:14 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets > Well, I gave up after three hours of trying to get Cream tickets on the > web AND by phone, by which point there were already tickets up on ebay. > Seems like the website was a bit of a shambles, as was the telephone > service, which didn't appear to have a queue system or anything. > > Did anyone manage to get tickets, or did they all go to scalpers? > > Regards, > > Matt Duncan > > > > From kmyklez at online.no Mon Jan 31 08:57:28 2005 From: kmyklez at online.no (Kristian Mykleset) Date: Mon Jan 31 08:57:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hopeless! Message-ID: <002d01c5079c$cdc157e0$399ed9c1@KRISTIAN> Hi fellow slowhanders I must say it was pretty hard to get Cream-tickets. I tried for three and a half hour before I was lucky and got one for the last night, as far away from the stage as you can come. But I'am happy, and I'm looking forward to it. My friends here in Norway were not as lucky as me, so I will represent Norway alone... Does anyone know anything about what went wrong with both the internet and the phone lines today? Were there anything wrong, or was it just to many hungry people? Best regards Kristian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/a67a9bdf/attachment.html From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 31 09:14:23 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Mon Jan 31 09:14:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Want a Laugh? References: Message-ID: <004801c5079f$2a832740$cd24ff3e@MAIN> So far failed to get tickets. If you want a laugh, go to Londonticketshop.co.uk Selling tickets for ONLY ?495 in the arena or ?395 economy ("all I can see is this pillar"). I'm in the wrong business!!! Simon From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 31 09:20:26 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Mon Jan 31 09:20:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] I'm so glad! I got tix! References: <00d701c5078e$d3641830$a905a8c0@Robslaptop2> Message-ID: <005601c507a0$02f7c040$cd24ff3e@MAIN> MessageCongratulations on getting tickets, I've failed so far. I once sat in the 'choir' behind the stage, You get to see right down onto the drummers (Steve Gadd at the time) bald spot and EC only once turned to us, greeted by a cheer. The sound is quite bad as your behind the audience speakers and so get the sound echoing off the back of the hall. One bonus is from where we were, you get a real insight into Lee Dickson's world as he readys each guitar below you. One word of warning, don't stand up, the angle there is scary and you feel your going to land right on the stage! Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Smith To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: [Slowhand] I'm so glad! I got tix! Hi Everybody, Well out of some miracle, I ended up getting 3rd row for the May 5th show and 4th row behind the stage for the final Cream show ever! I hope you guys had good luck getting tickets as well. Does anybody know how bad the seats are behind the stage? Best Regards, Rob Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tsk, Tsk DeltaNick. And here we were supposed to stick to the issues and not ad hominem attacks ;) LOL, it's okay, my ego is secure enough that I come to my conclusions on my own and don't take the opinions of others in mailing lists personally AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From bluesview at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 11:12:49 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Mon Jan 31 11:13:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] How many Cream tickets were available? Message-ID: <004701c507af$b5ce6200$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> From reading the posts about the difficulty of getting tickets to see Cream I have a few questions. How many seats are in the RAH? Who handles the selling of the tickets (the RAH doesn't, right?)? I wonder how many (the really good seats) tickets were already spoken for by industry and music bigwigs???? The scalpers are going to have a field day selling their tickets and it will get worse the closer it gets to concert time. Congratulations to all of you who fought (and I do mean fought!) to get your tickets. You deserve them for you're persistence and perseverance. I know I really get uptight when I'm waiting to call in or get in through the internet to get tickets because I know the tickets are flying out the door and every second delay means seats farther back! If anything comes up about how the ticket sales feeding frenzy went, please post (or direct us to the URL) the story. It's going to be one of those concerts you will remember forever and the last time (really!) to see Cream in concert. I'm hoping a DVD will be available sometime afterwards. And I would love you that go to the concert give us your reviews, OK? Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, those 80's albums have some great stuff and Behind the Sun is my one of my favourites. Cheers Olli ( without a Cream ticket, p**kele) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/d148eebf/attachment.html From Garret74 at aol.com Mon Jan 31 11:35:08 2005 From: Garret74 at aol.com (Garret74@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 31 11:35:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Oh well... Message-ID: <103.59f2075d.2f2fb83c@aol.com> ***>> It smells of alcohol and suck-ass guitar playing. You >> have no standards. Tsk, Tsk DeltaNick. And here we were supposed to stick to the issues and not ad hominem attacks ;) LOL, it's okay, my ego is secure enough that I come to my conclusions on my own and don't take the opinions of others in mailing lists personally **** But as predictable as the mornings sunrise.... ; ) Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/43a60dd4/attachment.html From bokon at gmx.de Mon Jan 31 11:59:59 2005 From: bokon at gmx.de (Bokon) Date: Mon Jan 31 12:06:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Looking for 2 Cream Tickets for Friday 6th May Message-ID: <41FE640F.4080609@gmx.de> Hi everyone, it was so frustrating... I tried it for 2 hours, but all I've got was a black (and later orange) "service is busy" screen. I'm looking for 2 Tickets (me and my girlfriend) for the friday show. Thank you in advance Andreas Andreas@Gleis.de From backlezz at hotmail.com Mon Jan 31 13:26:22 2005 From: backlezz at hotmail.com (K S) Date: Mon Jan 31 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Any ticket will do! Message-ID: Hello Claptonians, I'm in desperate need of a ticket. I tried hard this morning, but no luck. Any ticket to see Cream will do for me. The date or place in the hall doesn't matter. I will be so thankful if anyone has a spare ticket. Contact me privately if there is any chance at all. Regards, Kristoffer Stabrun _________________________________________________________________ Last ned MSN Messenger gratis http://www.msn.no/computing/messenger - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner From PGaskell at btinternet.com Mon Jan 31 13:35:46 2005 From: PGaskell at btinternet.com (Peter Gaskell) Date: Mon Jan 31 13:33:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re What a Bringdown Message-ID: <004f01c507c3$af03b4c0$1ddb8351@q9v1z4> After weeks of hope and expectation, my experience endorses that of Steve Proctor, Hugo Beer and others who spent fruitless hours this morning trying to get tickets for Cream. Firstly, It's deplorable that the wayahead website was not ready. After eventual success getting it on screen (ie past the 'site is busy' message), the list of bookable events did not even include Cream. Later when I got through to the website again, Cream was listed OK but already the 'cheaper' seats were flagged as sold out. When I was offered a choice at last in the top price bracket, the seats were behind the stage. Desperate now after more than a couple of hours jabbing the refresh key on my computer with one hand and redialIing the phone with my other, I thought what the hell and clicked the selection but still couldn't book anything. Last time I saw Eric at the RAH (Reptile tour), I queued for 3 hours and got seats behind the stage. It was worth the wait out in the February gloom, very enjoyable show, with the price being among the cheapest. Now they've got the cheek to charge top whack (?133) for watching the show from such a vantage point. Is this the best way of selling tickets or a sham that kids the punter s/he has an equal chance of getting tickets as those on the inside? Pete PS If a fellow Slowhander has a couple of spare tickets they can offer me (any night), I'll be very grateful (and promise to ungruntle myself if I'm in their company!). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/e84c5174/attachment.html From Ian at corusuk.fsnet.co.uk Mon Jan 31 14:03:45 2005 From: Ian at corusuk.fsnet.co.uk (Ian MacLennan) Date: Mon Jan 31 14:03:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets Message-ID: Another farce? On and Off for over 7 hours I tried to phone, all I got was a recorded message?telling me to book online, this I tried, again, and again , and again Who sets this up, there is obviously something amiss, when genuine Clapton fans are unable to see their Idol Disgustedly Yours IanM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 27/01/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/61ca22ed/attachment.html From webmaster at clapton.de Mon Jan 31 14:34:59 2005 From: webmaster at clapton.de (Thomas Miesseler) Date: Mon Jan 31 14:34:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] bookingsdirect Message-ID: <002a01c507cb$f415ebc0$2101a8c0@mobil> Did you know that "booking tickets on-line has never been easier"? well, "bookings direct" taught me other things today. what a weak server must they have to be overloaded like they were this morning? thomas (clapton.de) From mrnybluesman at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 14:59:04 2005 From: mrnybluesman at yahoo.com (Richie) Date: Mon Jan 31 14:59:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] hotels? Message-ID: <20050131195904.39671.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Can someone help me with hotels near Royal Albert Hall? Where do you usually stay? Are they within walking distance or do you take the train? Thanks, Richie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 31 15:58:24 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 31 15:59:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] May have one ticket for the final night References: <20050131154128.826DB8CBBF@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <00cc01c507d7$9b893230$7c8c29d8@Kelly> Here are the details: Section J Row 11 of the stalls. The tickets cost ?134. I had two friends trying for tickets for me, so I got pretty good for the 5th, and this is my worst ticket on the 6th but barely. The one I'm keeping is Section K Row 7. Anyway, I have some friends that said we would try for tickets for each other, but if they don't need this section J ticket I, or my friend, can sell it at face value. I should know by the end of today or tomorrow. Kelly ------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Jan 31 16:09:22 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 31 16:10:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] How many Cream tickets were available? References: <004701c507af$b5ce6200$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> Message-ID: <00ee01c507d9$23aff940$7c8c29d8@Kelly> Luckily, I didn't have to go through the feeding frenzy for tickets, and I'm grateful to my friends in England for that. Both of them tried for around an hour and a half. One guy was on the internet, another guy and his wife were on the internet and phone respectively. As far as the review I'm famous for my reviews on the Springsteen board. lol Kelly ----------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: BluesView To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: [Slowhand] How many Cream tickets were available? From reading the posts about the difficulty of getting tickets to see Cream I have a few questions. How many seats are in the RAH? Who handles the selling of the tickets (the RAH doesn't, right?)? I wonder how many (the really good seats) tickets were already spoken for by industry and music bigwigs???? The scalpers are going to have a field day selling their tickets and it will get worse the closer it gets to concert time. Congratulations to all of you who fought (and I do mean fought!) to get your tickets. You deserve them for you're persistence and perseverance. I know I really get uptight when I'm waiting to call in or get in through the internet to get tickets because I know the tickets are flying out the door and every second delay means seats farther back! If anything comes up about how the ticket sales feeding frenzy went, please post (or direct us to the URL) the story. It's going to be one of those concerts you will remember forever and the last time (really!) to see Cream in concert. I'm hoping a DVD will be available sometime afterwards. And I would love you that go to the concert give us your reviews, OK? Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/e7082876/attachment.html From wedemeier at gmx.net Mon Jan 31 16:43:55 2005 From: wedemeier at gmx.net (Manuel Wedemeier) Date: Mon Jan 31 16:40:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Crossroads Guitar Festival 10CD's Message-ID: <41FEA69B.7080309@gmx.net> Hi! I am looking for the 10 CD version of the Crossroads Guitar Festival 2004. If anyone is willing to trade, please contact me on private email: wedemeier@gmx.net ! Thank you! Best regards, Manuel From rhenrion at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 16:55:28 2005 From: rhenrion at yahoo.com (R. Henrion) Date: Mon Jan 31 17:02:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] cream tickets -- I got them!!!! Message-ID: <20050131215528.18664.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com> It is almost 2:00p.m. EST (Detroit, MI) I just got through to RAH. Only Hospitality tickets left. I purchesed 2 for Thursday in the stalls. I just spent a weeks wages for these tickets. Only hospitality packages are left for other dates. Nothing is left for the last concert at all. I dialed continually from 4:00 a.m. to 6:30a.m. and got continual busy signals. Then I went back to bed. I have been dialing intermittantly throughout the day. Keep trying! Also, let the phone ring a long time. I think it rang 10-15 times before RAH answered The sound is different than the tone in USA, I actually thought it was a busy signal, but had the phone on speaker while I was doing something else and they happened to answer. The RAH was very busy, I could hear other telephones ringing in the background and the sales person complained how noisy it was there -- I guess she had been at it for 10 hours by that time. The web kept crashing. Would appreciate suggestions from London area on reasonable hotel/ B&B, etc. since I just spent an arm and a leg for these tickets. I can't believe I just did this.... Good luck. ===== Roberta Henrion __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ajcoleman at europe.com Mon Jan 31 17:29:02 2005 From: ajcoleman at europe.com (Aebhric Coleman) Date: Mon Jan 31 17:29:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets - Another shambles Message-ID: <82911B5C-73D7-11D9-9D19-000A95D040A0@europe.com> Having tried myself in vain to get tickets to the RAH (the usual hours and hours of web and phone nightmare) and reading all the complaints other fans have in the Digest, I wonder if our friends at Where's Eric could relay these issues to their contacts at EC's management. It's great to know in advance when the tickets go on sale, but yet quite absurd when genuine EC fans who are willing to travel the world to see a single show (nevermind such historic shows as those of Cream reuniting) struggle, cuss and scream and get frankly ripped off in order to get access to tickets that allow a vertigo-inducing view of Gadd's baldpatch and sound as though the gig is being played in a toilet (i.e. choir seats). There's always been a nasty corporate monopoly of ticket allocation at EC's RAH shows, and this is something I've never understood. Nor something I've ever seen EC directly quizzed about in interviews. I find it sad that someone like Prince (who at best has a love/hate relationship with his fans) gives dedicated fans pre-sale, best-seat access to ALL his concerts, yet EC or his management make zero effort in this respect (and let's not even start about how useless the "official" EC site is - in 4 years, I think I've received 2 email newsletters!!). The organization of giving hardcore fans 1st-option on ticket-sales takes minimal effort and indeed can be financially very beneficial to the artist involved (Prince does very well out of his direct relationship to fans, as one has to be a paying member to his online club). It's really time for EC's management to get its act together on allocating and distributing RAH tickets. It's been dire for over 10 years and for the most part the fans always lose out (five hours on the phone, paying touts, sitting in crap seats or somesuch), while the corporate folk enjoy their free box-seat tickets, knocking back pints of champagne and congratulating themselves on how awfully terribly wonderfully jolly-goshingly-super a song "Layla" is. This is particularly tragic when it comes to Cream reuniting, as anyone who's seen the Farewell concert on tape can attest, that band - and that RAH concert - was one for the hardcore fans: wild, anarchic and rocking-out revolution. It would have been nice if EC saw this special occasion of marking his career and back catalogue as a way of also acknowledging his long-term, hardcore fans: by having firstly a better ticket-sale system in place. And, also, hey why not?, play ONE night exclusively for fans. (No reason he couldn't have all 4 nights for fans either. Fans have credit-cards too!) Be nice if EC's management had some official response to these ongoing problems. I'm sure we'd all love to have some way to heal our sore "refresh/redial" fingers... Best, Aebhric From: "Ian MacLennan" Date: January 31, 2005 8:03:45 PM CET To: Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets Another farce? On and Off? for over 7 hours I tried to phone, all I got was a recorded message?telling me to book online, this I tried, again, and again , and again Who sets this up, there is obviously something amiss, when genuine Clapton fans are unable to see their Idol Disgustedly Yours IanM From PtTuller at aol.com Mon Jan 31 18:23:35 2005 From: PtTuller at aol.com (PtTuller@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 31 18:23:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cream tickets Message-ID: Hello all, I was thinking about this Cream ticket fiasco and realized that it is really sad that it had to be handled the way that it was. If a better plan had been implemented, perhaps more of the real fans could have bought tickets rather than the true parasites of society: the scalpers! Looking online at ebay and numerous other sources, which I am sure most everyone has already done, one can easily find Cream tickets at unbelievable prices. I wouldn't have even minded if some of the tickets were legitimately sold for the outrageous amounts that the scalpers are charging because some of that money could have gone to the Crossroads Centre or some other worthwhile cause rather than lining the pockets of these parasites. It is a very sad situation. The poor job that Bookings Direct did in handling this truly makes me appreciate Ticketmaster a lot more. I am glad that they handled the Crossroads Guitar Festival, otherwise I never would have been able to get tickets for that! Take care, Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/5e9b7c24/attachment.html From lenmoskowitz at optonline.net Mon Jan 31 18:52:17 2005 From: lenmoskowitz at optonline.net (Len Moskowitz) Date: Mon Jan 31 18:47:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets Message-ID: <049b01c507ef$e5127f20$1c02a8c0@win98> If anyone has spares, I'd appreciate one or two tickets for any night. Thanks! Len Moskowitz Teaneck NJ (USA) From joe_rigg at hotmail.com Mon Jan 31 18:46:48 2005 From: joe_rigg at hotmail.com (Joe Rigg) Date: Mon Jan 31 18:48:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Brownie on Jools Holland Message-ID: Hi there, This is my first post on this site, so I am not sure if it will appear in the relevant place. I saw a few posts about Clapton on Jools Holland's show, in particular with regards to Brownie. I am not sure if it was actually Brownie, but I do know he still owns it. I met another professional British blues guitarist over the summer, who I will not name, but who is a household name amongst blues fan. He was asked to value all of the guitars for the first Christies auction. He said that when Eric had initially come up with the guitar auction idea, the organisers were very keen, but he was only selling off guitars he didn't want anymore. There wasn't a "centre piece" that would attract massive attention. So they put Brownie in for the hype, but Eric had two telephones going on the bidding, so he couldn't lose! Ever wondered who the anonymous winner was?! This all came as a massive shock to me, but makes a lot of sense. I hope this clears a few things up; like I said, he might not have been playing Brownie at New Year, but it is certainly possible!! Hope to post more soon! From r.granucci at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 20:51:57 2005 From: r.granucci at comcast.net (r.granucci@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 31 20:52:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] ? tour packages for RAH Message-ID: <020120050151.6924.41FEE0BD000367C400001B0C2200734830070C0C9A020E9D09D29D@comcast.net> I was also disapointed last night, unable to get tickets. I'm looking for three if anyone has some to sell. Does anyone know of a tour package out of the US that includes tickets, flight and hotel. There used to be a tour group out of New York that ran groups to the yearly RAH shows, but I haven't been able to find anything this time around. Any news would be appreciated. -Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/f986f5ca/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Mon Jan 31 22:10:33 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 31 22:10:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] uh?? Message-ID: <126.55a8678d.2f304d29@aol.com> He started = drinking "moderately" sometime during the making of August and went = again to rehab in November 1987.=20 After that he hasn't been drinking, thank God ;*)! Sorry - but this was too much for me - there is no such thing as "moderate" drinking for an alcoholic - plus - EC was not moderately drinking - he was by his own admission doing drugs again and then started drinking - Lori describes him as being abusive he would get so drunk - Frankly - the "stinking thinking" of an active alcoholic is quite apparent in some of his lyrics on both those cd's - how about on Missing You ( probably the last time we actually hear EC's anger being expressed as he plays) he says "I broke my back to make you happy" - uh - getting two woman pregnant whilst married to Pattie - is what he calls "breaking my back to make you happy"???? That was not a "moderate drinker" - both those cd's reveal one seriously confused man - drink will do that too ya!!! When AG posted about fine work in the 80's I thought I 'd hear some kudos for what I think is one of EC's best efforts - Money and Cigarettes - I was pleased to see this is not just my opinion - Rolling Stone called it one of the best guitar cd's ever made - between Ry Cooder and a very motivated EC - I think this is a very very fine effort and one that is usually overlooked. Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/d7ce48de/attachment.html From jshortri at rmi.net Mon Jan 31 23:33:06 2005 From: jshortri at rmi.net (John Shortridge) Date: Mon Jan 31 23:29:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets Message-ID: <5E355100-740A-11D9-8C4C-003065C7881E@rmi.net> Hi, So I think one of you e-mailed me this address as being reputable, but I was wondering if they indeed are, since the Royal Albert Hall warned that tickets from other sources might not be honored. http://www.latestevents.com has hotel ticket packages for 3 of the nights. Has anyone tried this? What do you think? John From Cobhome at aol.com Tue Feb 1 00:00:08 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 1 00:00:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beware!! LOL Message-ID: Just a heads up for Cream ticket buyers - don't know how true this is - but a friend with tickets told me the following rules will apply : first - the tickets are NOT being printed until one month before the concert - you can only have four tickets - and you cannot sell your tickets -how they will track this I do not know - and they will not honor re-sold tickets ( seems they are trying to discourage the scalpers) seems one must bring the reference number - credit card and picture id to the box office to get the ticket - again - I do not know how true this is - perhaps those of you who got tickets could verify or deny - under the circumstances I would be a bit leery about buying from brokers unless you can clear up this business about resold tickets being no good - Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LOL Just a heads up for Cream ticket buyers - don't know how true this is - but a friend with tickets told me the following rules will apply : first - the tickets are NOT being printed until one month before the concert - you can only have four tickets - and you cannot sell your tickets -how they will track this I do not know - and they will not honor re-sold tickets ( seems they are trying to discourage the scalpers) seems one must bring the reference number - credit card and picture id to the box office to get the ticket - again - I do not know how true this is - perhaps those of you who got tickets could verify or deny - under the circumstances I would be a bit leery about buying from brokers unless you can clear up this business about resold tickets being no good - Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050131/dca484d2/attachment.html From greghilker at gmx.de Tue Feb 1 00:16:54 2005 From: greghilker at gmx.de (Greg Hilker) Date: Tue Feb 1 00:16:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Scored Cream tix! Message-ID: <41FF10C6.5020906@gmx.de> Yippieeeeeeeee! May 5th, Arena floor, Block "B", Row 12!!! And it only took me from 9:58 until 10:25 (German time) of hitting refresh until I got through! I've never won a lottery before! Anybody who has some hotel suggestions, please post 'em here. Schoene Gruesse, Greg Hilker From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 00:26:46 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Tue Feb 1 00:26:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tickets Message-ID: <20050201052646.88912.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> I'm sorry to see that so many people are so frustrated by the RAH ticketing problems. But, as with so many things, there is a good side. What good side? Easy. Here in the U.S., Ticketmaster is usually pilloried as the center of evil in the known universe, so it's nice to see that either (1) this is a problem everywhere or (2) the English are just as screwed up as we are in the U.S. ! As to the complaints about why EC and his management aren't more supportive of the fans, this should be obvious to anyone with a room-temperature IQ who ever took an introductory economics class. Supply and Demand, baby! If you can sell out four shows in just minutes - why the hell would the artist bother spending all sorts of time and money making things more complex and expensive? Net profit, a.k.a. the bottom line rules. If you want an artist who's accessable to fans, who gives a lot of personal attention, interviews, press appearances, chat shows, fan club specials, and all that jazz, you'd better switch your allegiance to an artist of much less stature. They do these things because they *have* to. This is nothing horrible, it's simple human nature. Sad, but true. Here's a positive thought for everyone who is annoyed and disappointed by the results they got today in phoning for tix ... how'd you have liked to be one of the poor slobs having to *answer* the phones at the RAH today? I will bet they all headed to the pub for a MUCH needed pint after a day of dealing with insane EC fans! Cheers, Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From pjones at doodlesite.com Tue Feb 1 02:16:04 2005 From: pjones at doodlesite.com (Phil Jones) Date: Tue Feb 1 02:17:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets & bookingsindirect Message-ID: <004b01c5082d$f4bdff10$0200a8c0@debslong> Firstly, I must qualify this post on the outset by saying I'm lucky enough to have got a ticket. But I thought I'd add to the pile of bookingsdirect experiences which seem to be making their way onto this list. Took a few hours off work to ensure I got tickets. Started at 9:00 calling the "special ticketline" on constant redial. Also got the "server is busy" message when trying online. My wife (thanks debs) offered her assistance and tried the RAH boxoffice and the "normal" bookingsdirect phone line alternately on constant redial. Twice we got through the engaged or "high demand" messages to be met with a pre-recorded message telling us that we'd got through (yay), the operators were busy (boo-but I'll hold), please buy online if you can (ermm, I'm trying but your servers are screwed) and that the line would now be disconnected (NOOOO!!!). Eventually got through on one of the numbers at 9:35, and held on until 9:50 when the guy answered and sold me a ticket. I have 2 open questions (mainly aimed at bookingsdirect) 1 - As a company who regularly deal with high demand events like this, shouldn't the internet servers be a little more able to cope with the peaks? 2 - Why put a dedicated phone line in which has a pre-recorded message that hangs you up ? What's wrong with a queuing system ? I can probably answer both of these myself with the phrase "well, we flogged all the tickets within 2 hours didn't we?? So our systems must work" I've had my share of "redialler's finger" since 1992 and since the dawn of internet ticket selling, I had to admit that I thought this condition was behind me. I laughed at the phrase "booking tickets on-line has never been easier". Especially when you consider that 3 weeks ago I bought from ticketmaster online, 2 for the sell-out Tsunami concert in Cardiff within a minute of them going on sale and no sore fingers in sight. Back to the bad old days of ticket buying eh? Best wishes (and good luck to those not so lucky) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/c41cbf8e/attachment.html From pgaskell at btinternet.com Tue Feb 1 06:29:27 2005 From: pgaskell at btinternet.com (PETER GASKELL) Date: Tue Feb 1 06:29:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re Cream Tickets - Another shambles Message-ID: <20050201112927.31719.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Aebhric Coleman?s posting was spot on. If other artistes can demonstrate more respect for their fan base than their corporate connections, why not Eric? Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/fb274843/attachment.html From Paulezyrider at aol.com Tue Feb 1 08:20:00 2005 From: Paulezyrider at aol.com (Paulezyrider@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:20:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 71 Message-ID: <1d4.34faeade.2f30dc00@aol.com> HI WOULD LIKE TO UN SUBCRISBE FROM SLOWHAND ..THANKS PAUL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/8b79b707/attachment.html From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 1 09:14:49 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Tue Feb 1 09:14:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets - Another shambles References: <82911B5C-73D7-11D9-9D19-000A95D040A0@europe.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c50868$645ec2c0$cd24ff3e@MAIN> I second everything said here. Whilst you cannot blame EC directly, he could learn a lot from his close colleague Mark Knopfler, Dire Straits used to run an information service/ fan club who would also sell tickets to members on a pre-release basis. I was lucky enough to have third row seats at the NEC for the final tour. It also adds to the atmosphere of a gig being surrounded by genuine fans, not the ones sitting arms folded waiting for the greatest hits. As far as I recall, this was all done for a nominal fee of something like ?10-?15 per year.This was in the dark-ages pre-internet so quarterly newsletters were posted out by mail. Another thing that Knopfler advocates that other artists/bands could learn from, is a total amnesty on amateur recording and photographing of gigs, on the assumption that the only people interested in ropey recordings of gigs and photos of the back of peoples heads with the band in the distance, are the hardcore fan-base who have all the official stuff anyway and so will not harm him/them in any way, and the fans dont get ripped off by pro-bootleggers. But as far as getting a response, Eric is his own manager these days, and obviously busy preparing for the gigs, but it would be nice if someone could put these points to him. Simon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aebhric Coleman" To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets - Another shambles Having tried myself in vain to get tickets to the RAH (the usual hours and hours of web and phone nightmare) and reading all the complaints other fans have in the Digest, I wonder if our friends at Where's Eric could relay these issues to their contacts at EC's management. It's great to know in advance when the tickets go on sale, but yet quite absurd when genuine EC fans who are willing to travel the world to see a single show (nevermind such historic shows as those of Cream reuniting) struggle, cuss and scream and get frankly ripped off in order to get access to tickets that allow a vertigo-inducing view of Gadd's baldpatch and sound as though the gig is being played in a toilet (i.e. choir seats). There's always been a nasty corporate monopoly of ticket allocation at EC's RAH shows, and this is something I've never understood. Nor something I've ever seen EC directly quizzed about in interviews. I find it sad that someone like Prince (who at best has a love/hate relationship with his fans) gives dedicated fans pre-sale, best-seat access to ALL his concerts, yet EC or his management make zero effort in this respect (and let's not even start about how useless the "official" EC site is - in 4 years, I think I've received 2 email newsletters!!). The organization of giving hardcore fans 1st-option on ticket-sales takes minimal effort and indeed can be financially very beneficial to the artist involved (Prince does very well out of his direct relationship to fans, as one has to be a paying member to his online club). It's really time for EC's management to get its act together on allocating and distributing RAH tickets. It's been dire for over 10 years and for the most part the fans always lose out (five hours on the phone, paying touts, sitting in crap seats or somesuch), while the corporate folk enjoy their free box-seat tickets, knocking back pints of champagne and congratulating themselves on how awfully terribly wonderfully jolly-goshingly-super a song "Layla" is. This is particularly tragic when it comes to Cream reuniting, as anyone who's seen the Farewell concert on tape can attest, that band - and that RAH concert - was one for the hardcore fans: wild, anarchic and rocking-out revolution. It would have been nice if EC saw this special occasion of marking his career and back catalogue as a way of also acknowledging his long-term, hardcore fans: by having firstly a better ticket-sale system in place. And, also, hey why not?, play ONE night exclusively for fans. (No reason he couldn't have all 4 nights for fans either. Fans have credit-cards too!) Be nice if EC's management had some official response to these ongoing problems. I'm sure we'd all love to have some way to heal our sore "refresh/redial" fingers... Best, Aebhric From: "Ian MacLennan" Date: January 31, 2005 8:03:45 PM CET To: Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets Another farce? On and Off for over 7 hours I tried to phone, all I got was a recorded message?telling me to book online, this I tried, again, and again , and again Who sets this up, there is obviously something amiss, when genuine Clapton fans are unable to see their Idol Disgustedly Yours IanM From ajcoleman at europe.com Tue Feb 1 11:12:39 2005 From: ajcoleman at europe.com (Aebhric Coleman) Date: Tue Feb 1 11:13:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fwd: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 72 Message-ID: <184C378E-746C-11D9-9D19-000A95D040A0@europe.com> > If you want an artist who's accessable to fans, who > gives a lot of personal attention, interviews, press > appearances, chat shows, fan club specials, and all > that jazz, you'd better switch your allegiance to an > artist of much less stature. They do these things > because they *have* to. This is nothing horrible, > it's simple human nature. Sad, but true. Mark, I'd like to agree with you on this, but can't buy this reasoning. Of course, anybody who knows squat about EC knows that fan clubs, online chats, and whoopee cushions that play Layla's opening riff all encased in a gold box with a limited serial number (i.e. "rare" merchandise), are never going to happen. Even under the wily eye of Roger Forrester's management, such marketing was not deemed to be worth the effort. However, my giving the example of Prince is important. Nobody is more a diva, more money voracious, more a "couldn't be arsed doing any organization work", or more a self-marketing, savy and hungry musician than he. In fact, while he has had a religious reawakening going on for the past few years, most Prince fans will agree that his setting up and establishing of the NPG Music Club was first and foremost a corporate, financial exercise. Aside from the massive revenue he generates annually from subscriptions to the Club, he also does exceptionally well (TOO well) out of the after-shows he often plays exclusively for fans - figure $100-150 a pop for a venue with 400/500 people for a 2hour show that takes place AFTER having played to 8-15,000 people. I'm not saying for a second that Clappers should give fans lots of special downloads, face-to-face interviews, etc. True, it would be great to get some of this, but we all know this ain't going to happen. However, some gestures when it comes to concerts is a whole other question. One single night at the RAH for diehard, international fans-only - that would capture a sizeable chunk of them. (All 4 nights of Cream at the RAH - that would catch all of them!) Yet imagine what a night that would be!! We all know how much better EC plays when the audience is really feeling it. EC could have some fun too - play around with the set-lists, jam for 20 minutes... But even if a special "evening with" never happened, I think reserving the first 100/200 tickets for EC fans at the RAH is not such a big enterprise to organize. Doesn't even have to happen for his other tours, as they're usually gigantic places anyhows. Few people travel 8,000 miles to see EC play a warehouse in Germany, even though the gigs may be kicking. The RAH is special. And I think the experience of fans going there should be special as well. The recent Cream ticket experience just replays old, alas broken records: shoddy service and disappointment for the many, miracles for the few. I think anyone's management should be accountable to their "shareholders", and thus why it would be nice to see some progress or reaction from EC or his team. Clappers has always done a fabulous job with charity work, but when corporate suits get the run of the RAH year after year, one does have to feel a little bit sad that those who get left out in the cold are, more often than not, the fans - who will after all, if they have to, pay ?150 a ticket, or even more than the standard price in order to get in those prized front rows. Aebhric From Garret74 at aol.com Tue Feb 1 11:24:26 2005 From: Garret74 at aol.com (Garret74@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 1 11:25:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Friends and tickets... Message-ID: <53.204232f1.2f31073a@aol.com> ***Crap. What do I do when I friend bought the tickets for me? That's = insane. Kelly*** Kelly, I wouldn't worry about it. Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue in this scenario? If you have a legitimate ticket, you will be allowed in. The person who posted this...well, I don't know where they get there info from but they really shouldn't post when they don't know what they're talking about. Again, if you have a legitimate ticket, you'll be fine. I just want a good review. Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/d9093802/attachment.html From Garret74 at aol.com Tue Feb 1 11:31:36 2005 From: Garret74 at aol.com (Garret74@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 1 11:31:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Artists and commercialism Message-ID: <13d.bf07469.2f3108e8@aol.com> ***As to the complaints about why EC and his management aren't more supportive of the fans, this should be obvious to anyone with a room-temperature IQ who ever took an introductory economics class. Supply and Demand, baby! If you can sell out four shows in just minutes - why the hell would the artist bother spending all sorts of time and money making things more complex and expensive? Net profit, a.k.a. the bottom line rules. If you want an artist who's accessable to fans, who gives a lot of personal attention, interviews, press appearances, chat shows, fan club specials, and all that jazz, you'd better switch your allegiance to an artist of much less stature. They do these things because they *have* to. This is nothing horrible, it's simple human nature. Sad, but true. Here's a positive thought for everyone who is annoyed and disappointed by the results they got today in phoning for tix ... how'd you have liked to be one of the poor slobs having to *answer* the phones at the RAH today? I will bet they all headed to the pub for a MUCH needed pint after a day of dealing with insane EC fans! Cheers, Mark**** Mark, I don't know if I posted this in here, but I saw this coming a mile away! Supply and demand...it didn't take a genius to realize very few tickets would actually pass into fans hands at reasonable prices. Of course, the pity is the 'scalpers' and other insiders are the one's who are making all they money here, after the musicians and promoters and productions and A&R take theirs... It's business. Cream is a world class supergroup. To those who got tickets at reasonable prices, good luck and enjoy the show! I'm happy for you, wish I were there! But I'm not in a position to pay $1000 plus dollars to see this show, plus travel ect...(London is a wonderful city...make sure you get around and see it). So, unless a miracle happens, I'm going to have to pass on this one. But there are lots of bands you can go to see in any club in your neighborhood, and, you know what...you might just have a fabulous time! Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/baedefd3/attachment.html From JVlahakis at HINSHAWLAW.COM Tue Feb 1 11:38:43 2005 From: JVlahakis at HINSHAWLAW.COM (James Vlahakis) Date: Tue Feb 1 11:36:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RAH Tickets Beware Message-ID: I'm glad that the RAH is trying to ban re-selling of tickets. I also recall that when EC did shows at Buddy Guy's in Chicago in 1994 that the rule was that you had to pick up your ticket with your ID and credit card to preclude scalping. I was luck to get pulled from the line of ticketless fans by a guy that worked inside Buddy's that happened to know the guy that I was standing with. I doubt that the RAH will allow the seats to sit empty for the show. I would suggest camping out at the RAH's box office the day of the show to see if they have any "left tickets", "unclaimed tickets," etc. (whatever you Brits call extra/unused tickets). I walked up to the box office of the RAH in 1993 and got a ticket with a buddy of mine after one of the promoters spoke with RAH staff. The promoter had asked us how long we had been waiting for and I said "all day". He took pity on us I guess. I also obtained 2nd row seats at Radio City Music Hall in NYC for a Radiohead show about 1/2 HOUR before the show started because nobody picked up and/or claimed the tickets. GOOD LUCK.

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-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/8177bd7a/attachment.html From boultonaj at hotmail.com Tue Feb 1 11:42:45 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Tue Feb 1 11:43:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Rip-off Britain Message-ID: I am amused to see that they are trying to avoid scalpers. Try doing a Google search for Cream tickets. On AOL's search engine it comes up with www.getmetickets.com/ http://www.getmetickets.net/tickets/viewsubjectevents?name=Eric%20Clapton&type=Concert You can buy those 144 quid tickets for up to 1,777 pounds (that's over 3000 bucks) a seat. Tony From pjones at doodlesite.com Tue Feb 1 12:30:17 2005 From: pjones at doodlesite.com (Phil Jones) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:34:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Rip-off Britain References: Message-ID: <00ac01c50883$b278b400$0200a8c0@debslong> Tony Wrote : > Try doing a Google search for Cream tickets. On AOL's search engine it comes > up with www.getmetickets.com/ > > http://www.getmetickets.net/tickets/viewsubjectevents?name=Eric%20Clapton&type=Concert > Yes - getmetickets are subject to a long running set of complaints from BBC's Watchdog programme. http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/reports/holidays10.shtml There was an update on the show itself a week or so ago - one of the managing directors got a bit of a pasting from the guy who organizes Glastonbury. From greghilker at gmx.de Tue Feb 1 13:20:31 2005 From: greghilker at gmx.de (Greg Hilker) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:21:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Ticket Sales - Frustrating? Message-ID: <41FFC86F.3090900@gmx.de> OK, I managed to get tickets, so maybe I'm seeing this differently, but I'm going to put in my 2 cents anyway. I grew up near New York City in the late 60's and early 70's. Back then you could stand in line for 24+ hours to get tickets. There wasn't anything like "online" sales. Heck, there wasn't even anything like buying tix by phone - at least for a young guy without a credit card. Sometimes we got tickets, sometimes things got sold out... Life just ain't fair. ;-) Fast foreward to the 21st century. The last couple of times that EC played in Frankfurt (Germany - near where I live), the tix sold-out within a couple of minutes with the reason being that most of the tickets were already "sold" to sponsors before they went on sale to the general public. So now Cream's tickets were sold on a first-who-gets-through-first-served basis, limited to four per "lucky winner". Hey, I think that's pretty fair. You get through and you can buy up to 4. Not 400, just 4. That gives a lot of people a better chance. It's fairer than expecting me to fly to London and stand in line for days to maybe be able to buy the tickets. It's fairer than giving 80% of the tix to the "sponsors" and letting the "masses" buy the couple that are left over. Schoene Gruesse, Greg Hilker-Schmele From susbastille at msn.com Tue Feb 1 13:23:53 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:24:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Scotsman.com News - Latest News - Cream Tickets - Rising to the Top Message-ID: http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4077241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/3a9986c4/attachment.html From Paulezyrider at aol.com Tue Feb 1 13:32:42 2005 From: Paulezyrider at aol.com (Paulezyrider@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:34:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 73 Message-ID: <155.49579b4b.2f31254a@aol.com> hi, have had to take...the (Unzip system) off my lap top which i needed ro read slowhand, files(Mime) so please un..subscribe me from slowhand for now,,, many thanks ............paul................... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/3515230a/attachment.html From slowhand at salisbury.net Tue Feb 1 15:14:32 2005 From: slowhand at salisbury.net (Steve Proctor) Date: Tue Feb 1 15:14:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tickets from unofficial sources Message-ID: <001901c5089a$a4fe1d30$488952a6@SteveProctor> The comments of EddyPauley@aol.com and Cobhome@aol.com are very disturbing. I would encourage those lucky enough to get tickets through the Royal Albert Hall or bookingsdirect.com to post information they receive to the Digest. For example, is the Royal Albert Hall going to require proof of purchase in addition to the ticket before one can enter the Hall? Why would the Royal Albert Hall care who uses the ticket as long as they extract their 175 pounds of flesh from someone? Twenty five employees searching eBay for Cream tickets seems extreme. Maybe they are trying to keep people with permanent seats from selling tickets to events they do not wish to attend. I called the RAH and was also told they are monitoring ebay. I doubt they have much success since the exact location of tickets being sold on ebay, or through scalpers, is rarely disclosed. It does seem wise to avoid sellers who disclose the exact location of the seats either in the advertisement or when asked by a potential buyer (who could be RAH employee in disguise). It seems even more problematic to check proof of purchase before the event. The show would likely be over by the time everyone got into the venue! Also, what about someone who receives the tickets as a gift? And yet, www.royalalberthall.com states: "The Royal Albert Hall does not recommend customers purchasing tickets from unautorised ticket agents. Tickets purchased from other sources may be refused entry." Any thoughts would be appreciated. Feel free to respond privately if you like. From rhenrion at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 15:59:00 2005 From: rhenrion at yahoo.com (R. Henrion) Date: Tue Feb 1 15:59:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] fordwarding e-mail re cream tickets Message-ID: <20050201205900.90879.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> The is a copy of an e-mail that I received today FYI. I have never purchased anything from this company so I cannot make a recommendation. Take the information for what it is worth. Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:48:27 -0500 From: "Adventures in Rock" View Contact Details Subject: We've been waiting so long! Cream Reunion Our Cream packages have arrived! Our 'Sunshine of your Love' package includes: A top priced stall ticket to the May 5th or 6th shows. 2 nights of 4+ star accommodations in Leicester Square - the heart of London's theater district and within walking distance of many clubs Transportation to the show. Package price: $1,590 per person, based on two to a room. If a single room is preferred please add $325. We will try and match those looking for a roommate, but if we are not able to, the single supplement will be charged. The packages are extremely limited - and therefore will be sold on a first come first served basis. Here is how to sign up. An $800 non-refundable deposit is required to hold your space. You can either download our booking form at http://adventuresinrock.com/terms.html read, complete and fax it back to us, or if it's easier, you can give us a call at 877-788-ROCK. If you have any problems with downloading, faxing, etc. please let us know. O Oh yes, we now proudly accept the American Express Card. So there you have it - our fax machine is waiting. Cheerio! Pamela & Karen Alternate Fax: 617-277-7926 ===== Roberta Henrion __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From rhenrion at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 16:00:25 2005 From: rhenrion at yahoo.com (R. Henrion) Date: Tue Feb 1 16:00:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] validity of tickets Message-ID: <20050201210025.59519.qmail@web54508.mail.yahoo.com> Especially to Kelly, I purchased tickets by telephone from the RAH. I also called today to verify something. Neither time did the attendant say anything to me about ID, credit cards, verification,etc. probably because the tickets are being mailed to me. In your situation, I would assume that the person that purchased the tickets will pick them up for you and mail them to you. The tickets will be printed one month prior to the show. In any case, if I were you I would call the RAH (from the USA 011 44 20 7589 8212) explain the situation and see what they say. Check your long distance service first, without an internation calling plan SBC charges about $7/minute. Good luck and enjoy the show. ===== Roberta Henrion __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From oleax at vip.cybercity.dk Tue Feb 1 16:15:21 2005 From: oleax at vip.cybercity.dk (Ole Axelsen) Date: Tue Feb 1 16:15:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hotels in London - close to KIngs X Message-ID: I stayed at this hotel last year ? http://www.howardwinchester.activehotels.com- and i?ll be back this year ? with or without cream tickets ? I can recommend it. Cheers Ole Axelsen Denmark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/e6134d38/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Tue Feb 1 16:29:38 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Tue Feb 1 16:30:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Friends and tickets... References: <53.204232f1.2f31073a@aol.com> Message-ID: <009701c508a5$22939310$8a8c29d8@Kelly> Garret, Okay. I think you are right. I just panicked! The thought of not getting in even though I have a legitimate ticket, or bothering my friends to travel to the concert just to get me in had me worried. Kelly --------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Garret74@aol.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Friends and tickets... ***Crap. What do I do when I friend bought the tickets for me? That's = insane. Kelly*** Kelly, I wouldn't worry about it. Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue in this scenario? If you have a legitimate ticket, you will be allowed in. The person who posted this...well, I don't know where they get there info from but they really shouldn't post when they don't know what they're talking about. Again, if you have a legitimate ticket, you'll be fine. I just want a good review. Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/90f038b3/attachment.html From bmuradian at comcast.net Tue Feb 1 16:45:13 2005 From: bmuradian at comcast.net (Barry Muradian) Date: Tue Feb 1 16:45:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tickets from unofficial sources References: <001901c5089a$a4fe1d30$488952a6@SteveProctor> Message-ID: <002d01c508a7$50137420$0400a8c0@tc.imagetechlabs.com> I am not sure exactly what you were told by RAH, but it is standard procedure to state that they do not recommend purchasing tickets through 'unauthorized' sources. Most facilities today utilize barcode mechanism to validate authentication of ticket, and beyond that it would be remarkable to sugget they would check tickets against individual identification (i.e., not sure of capacity, but literally thousands would have to go through this screening in addition to normal security check). I think this is just an effort by authorities to suggest they 'discourage' scalping of ticket. Finally, there may be laws against resale of tickets, but not sure how they apply to acquisition of ticket. By that I mean a) not sure 3rd party can be denied access of ticket 'legally' in their possession, b) not sure how one would establish ticket not legally in their possession [eBay contact would not press charges, and ostensibly could be providing ticket as gift or repayment of debt], and c) who would want the legal responsibility for denying entrance to someone without clear legal justification? Any ambiguity would seem to provide great liability risk to RAH, and why would they take it up for this concert? Does anyone know if they have ever done something like this in past? Can assume they have not, and will not now. I know you brought many of these things up already, just my frustration at avoiding focus on the real problem - the system itself encourages brokers at true fans expense. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Proctor" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Tickets from unofficial sources > The comments of EddyPauley@aol.com and Cobhome@aol.com are very > disturbing. > I would encourage those lucky enough to get tickets through the Royal > Albert > Hall or bookingsdirect.com to post information they receive to the Digest. > For example, is the Royal Albert Hall going to require proof of purchase > in > addition to the ticket before one can enter the Hall? > > Why would the Royal Albert Hall care who uses the ticket as long as they > extract their 175 pounds of flesh from someone? Twenty five employees > searching eBay for Cream tickets seems extreme. Maybe they are trying to > keep people with permanent seats from selling tickets to events they do > not > wish to attend. > > I called the RAH and was also told they are monitoring ebay. I doubt they > have much success since the exact location of tickets being sold on ebay, > or > through scalpers, is rarely disclosed. It does seem wise to avoid sellers > who disclose the exact location of the seats either in the advertisement > or > when asked by a potential buyer (who could be RAH employee in disguise). > > It seems even more problematic to check proof of purchase before the > event. > The show would likely be over by the time everyone got into the venue! > Also, > what about someone who receives the tickets as a gift? > > And yet, www.royalalberthall.com states: "The Royal Albert Hall does not > recommend customers purchasing tickets from unautorised ticket agents. > Tickets purchased from other sources may be refused entry." > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Feel free to respond privately if you > like. > > > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Tue Feb 1 17:12:30 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:16:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] validity of tickets References: <20050201210025.59519.qmail@web54508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018a01c508ab$546ebb20$8a8c29d8@Kelly> Thanks a lot, Roberta. I'll definitely call sometime this week and see what the RAH has to say. Take care, Kelly ------------ My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Henrion" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [Slowhand] validity of tickets > Especially to Kelly, I purchased tickets by telephone > from the RAH. I also called today to verify > something. Neither time did the attendant say anything > to me about ID, credit cards, verification,etc. > probably because the tickets are being mailed to me. > In your situation, I would assume that the person that > purchased the tickets will pick them up for you and > mail them to you. The tickets will be printed one > month prior to the show. In any case, if I were you I > would call the RAH (from the USA 011 44 20 7589 8212) > explain the situation and see what they say. Check > your long distance service first, without an > internation calling plan SBC charges about $7/minute. > Good luck and enjoy the show. > > > > ===== > Roberta Henrion > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 17:33:41 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:33:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Jim Capaldi Message-ID: <20050201223341.87357.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Ken, Long time no talk. All the best. I have been listening to Oh Lord, Why Lord a lot recently. IMHO it's one of the great hidden EC gems - very emotional song with guitar to match. Cheers, Richard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/a620f862/attachment.html From claptofan at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 17:36:16 2005 From: claptofan at yahoo.com (Claptofan) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:36:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] tickets Message-ID: <20050201223616.66065.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> i remember being a freshman in college and asking my five closest friends to help me try to get tickets for EC at Irving Plaza. For three straight hours 6 of us manned the phones and noary a one of us got through for tickets. I then went to Irving Plaza the night of the show to stand in line with two friedns of mine just to see what would happen. What do you know - we got trhee tickets as my friend made small talk with one of the guys "governing" tickets. to be given away that day. I have no idea if they do anything like that at the RAH, but local people may be able to stand in line the night of and get tickets. this never worked at a bigger venue, btw. can't wait to hear/read the reports from the lucky ones - eric epstein __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From macca461 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 1 18:25:47 2005 From: macca461 at hotmail.com (Jon Maclean) Date: Tue Feb 1 18:27:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Cream tickets "fiasco" In-Reply-To: <20050201050015.F10418C736@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Dear me, I've been having a quiet chuckle at all these posts over the "Cream ticket fiasco". People trying for hours over the phone to get tickets, obtaining tickets for poor seats, "I NEED tickets to Cream concert", etc. etc. Given that the RAH seats around 7000 people and that Cream will play 4 shows, let me see, that's 28000 paying customers (although some will be duplicate spectators of course). I would guess there would be many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people who would like to see these shows. Therefore most will miss out. Many living in other countries could not even consider travelling over to see a rock band due to budget constraints. I'd like to see Cream too, but it just ain't possible, so I'll be content with the DVD and CD release later this year. Unfortunately I think some of us need to get some sort of perspective on all of this. Cheers, Jon From n.seidenberg at comcast.net Tue Feb 1 18:32:11 2005 From: n.seidenberg at comcast.net (Noah Seidenberg) Date: Tue Feb 1 18:32:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] I broke down and Creamed Message-ID: <20050201233212.D6BB98C9A7@six.pairlist.net> I can't handle reading this stuff... Almost all day and night I was thinking about how I couldn't get tickets after waking up at 3:00am to do so. Because of this I broke my old record as to how much I paid for a concert ticket. The next highest was when I paid 400 bucks to see the Stones at the Aragon in Chicago. This will be worth it. The ticket broker says that it is legitimate and legal for them to resell tickets at a profit. He is a member of the Nationals Association of Ticket Brokers and even if you hate it, this is how they earn their living. As far as I'm concerned that answers the questions people are asking. I believe they have people watching Ebay but not 25. That is a scare tactic. People are allowed to resell or give away their tickets. I have never been to London and can't wait. Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/ab449e8b/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 19:44:12 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Tue Feb 1 19:44:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Irritation and Annoyance Message-ID: <20050202004412.10343.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Jon M points out, correctly, the need for some perspective, so in that spirit I offer this thought: No matter how irritated you are about tickets. No matter how annoyed. No matter how vexed. No matter how frustrated you are. You are no where as hilariously angry as EC is here: http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1968-cream-tennis.wmv One can almost see the steam come from his ears! Just the first in a series of Cream teasers to come in the ramp-up to May ... Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From lukelinus at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 19:53:03 2005 From: lukelinus at yahoo.com (LukeLinus) Date: Tue Feb 1 19:53:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Scalping tickets, not for long ... Message-ID: <20050202005303.68717.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com> To add my 2 eurocents to the discussion, yesterday tickets for the 2006 soccer worldcup in Germany went on first (pre-)sale. http://www.fifaworldcup.com It looks like the future holds lots of surprises in ticketing. After registering, tickets will be personalised, carrying a RFID (radio frequency identification) chip. This will end most of scalping in the long run. RFID is a fascinating field, primarily used for other areas. On the Albert Hall subject, I d like to see a pre-sale for fans. Sting does a good job on this, for all his shows, worldwide. Prince offers extras, like early entry for soundchecks. Whats wrong with paying 100 bucks for an after midnite show with rare songs in a small club, well worth the money. I always had luck at the RAH boxoffice the day of the show, even for the Montserrat gig. In Germany rocktours in Bonn might offer packages for Cream. Did I try, was I successful ... ? To tell you the truth.......... I might be too young to appreciate the upcoming gigs. I never even thought about trying. Not interested at all. Strange for an EC fan, isnt it? ;-) best regards Peter / Germany last show: Sting next show: tba ===== http://www.lukelinus.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From lukelinus at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 20:02:49 2005 From: lukelinus at yahoo.com (LukeLinus) Date: Tue Feb 1 20:02:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] OT: More on personalised tickets (world cup 2006 only) Message-ID: <20050202010249.98362.qmail@web54608.mail.yahoo.com> This info can be found on the FIFA-site: 8. What information must I provide when buying tickets? The following information must be provided on the application form by the applicant and any joint applicants: Last name, first name, street, postcode, town/city, country, nationality, sex, date of birth, passport number, e-mail address (optional on postal and fax applications), telephone number (optional), further address details (optional). Applicants must also specify the number and type of tickets required. The applicant must enter details of the method of payment. The applicant name and name of the credit card/account holder must be identical. 9. Why will match tickets be personalised? Tickets will be personalised for security reasons. This measure is intended to support the basic principle of a fair and open sales procedure. It will also serve as an effective deterrent to black market trading. However, the embedded chip will store access information only. Personal information such as names will not be stored. ================================= Interesting, isn t it? And room for endless questions...... best Peter / Germany ===== http://www.lukelinus.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From lukelinus at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 20:25:16 2005 From: lukelinus at yahoo.com (LukeLinus) Date: Tue Feb 1 20:25:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] OT: another post on personalised tickets (2006 world cup only) Message-ID: <20050202012516.52829.qmail@web54602.mail.yahoo.com> just scroll on if you dont care, but I think this is revolutionary. again from the FIFA - page: 12. In the event of a transfer of a Ticket in accordance with No. 3 GTC T, a new ticket shall be issued by FWCTC at the transferee's expense (€ 10,- per ticket). 42. Can I sell or give away as gifts tickets allocated to me? You are not permitted to sell allocated tickets. The ticket and the entitlement to attend the respective match are linked to the person of the applicant, or to the person of the visitor. They cannot be separated or transferred. An attempt to sell tickets will be considered as an act of black marketeering and will lead to the cancellation of the ticket. For the reasons stated above, you cannot give away a ticket issued with your name as a gift, either. For tickets you want to give away as gifts, you must provide all required information of the beneficiary in the respective visitor section of the application form. Please note that you, as the applicant, must order a ticket for the same match, too. 45. Why are 2006 FIFA World Cup German (TM) tickets linked to individuals? For security reasons the names of the persons entitled to enter the stadium are stated on the ticket. This is to strengthen the principle of fair and transparent sales, and to fight black marketeering. 46. What are the advantages of the chip technology used at the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany (TM)? FIFA and the organising committee opted for chip-based tickets to improve customer service and to make security measures scaleable. Every ticket is unique. Lost tickets can therefore be blocked for stadium access. Chips allow precise allocation of tickets to shipments. Every customer is guaranteed their seat in the stadium as the tickets are forge proof. 47. Will private data be stored on the chip? No private data will be stored on the chip. Only unique particulars concerning registration and tournament information are stored on the chip. The chip is your key to the stadium. 48. What happens to blocked tickets at the stadium gate? Should anybody try to gain access to a stadium with a blocked ticket, they will be prevented from doing so. This unauthorized attempt will be investigated and may have legal consequences. 49. What are the security zones at the stadium gates at the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany (TM)? At all 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany (TM) matches there will be an outer and an inner security perimeter. At the outer perimeter there will be a visual ticket and a personal search for objects. Actual access control will take place at the inner security perimeter using electronically controlled turnstiles. The turnstiles will be released by the ticket chips to grant access. Depending on circumstances and location more personal checks may be conducted there. 50. How will ID cards and passports be checked at the gates? Checks will be depending on circumstances and at random. Customers should know, however, that without proof of identity due to lack of documentation, delays and refusal to enter the stadium may be the consequence. 52. What happens when I lose my ticket? What can the finder do with the chip? Can my ticket be misused? No, never. Even if a finder would read out chip data they would be of no use. As no private data are stored, no access to the ticket database is possible. =============================================== we now continue with the scheduled program best Peter / Germany ===== http://www.lukelinus.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From iampigpen at comcast.net Tue Feb 1 20:42:18 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Tue Feb 1 20:42:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC sticking it Message-ID: <020801c508c8$70d6bd90$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Ya know... I been thinking about this for a while and an email brought it up to the front burner. A friend of mine just wrote me to say that she could buy tickets for $250 ! Great huh. Problem is she had no view. Now if Mr EC is reading this SD (which I highly doubt) SHAME ON YOU! Eric says he would like to get together with his old band-mates because of poor health. Maybe even to help out with *medical* expenses? Gimme a break. We, the faithful followers, go to his concerts to hear him play. Any aknowledgment of people in the stands is slim to none. Which is alright. Since we go see him play anyway. But why stick it up ours and charge 250 hard earned $$$$$ to see a show without a view? FOr all I care about it right now is they can go play in a garage for one last time for all I care. $250 for a ticket without a view... And Eric can't control these matters? Friggin shame on you Eric and shame on all the other sheep they pay that much. Friggin Animal man...out -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/f3af06e0/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 20:47:52 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Tue Feb 1 20:47:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Personalized Tickets Message-ID: <20050202014753.27857.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> It sounds as if there might be a lot of benefit to some sort of new technology in ticketing that would make things more fair. But perhaps with this will come a loss of a lot of things - more than once I've driven or flown to a city just to buy a ticket outside at the last minute, and it's so common to find someone whose plans have changed, or who has a friend who cannot go to the performance, or is ill. What is interesting in the case of the RAH shows, is that although ticket scalping is illegal, the brokers get around this restriction by offering a "package" of the tickets and a room, etc. - for far more than the cost . Good luck to everyone ... looks like things are becoming expensive FAST. If people are gonna pay these outrageous prices anyway, why not have the artist just AUCTION the seats off? I'd much rather see EC, Jack, and Ginger get the $1000/seat than some scummy scalper ... AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Tue Feb 1 22:04:55 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Tue Feb 1 22:04:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Irritation and Annoyance In-Reply-To: <20050202014758.E2EA48C8E3@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: The AG didst write: > No matter how irritated you are about tickets. > No matter how annoyed. > No matter how vexed. > No matter how frustrated you are. > You are no where as hilariously angry as EC is here: > > http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1968-cream-tennis.wmv > > One can almost see the steam come from his ears! It's as though there were a thought balloon above his head: And I'm the guy who left the Yardbirds because they were going too commercial? Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From Cobhome at aol.com Tue Feb 1 22:37:48 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 1 22:37:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <75.3e04925e.2f31a50c@aol.com> well, I don't know where they get there info from but they really shouldn't post when they don't know what they're talking about. I prefaced my remarks by saying that I did not know if it was true - and also clearly said that I could not imagine how they could manage such a policy -.and simply suggested before buying from brokers one find out the truth of the statement - so maybe next time you should find out what you are talking about before you post! ........ Prior to the ticket sales - someone else posted and said resales were not going to be honored - perhaps that person has more info they would be willing to share with the group. My friend who got her tickets said - she was told she could pick them up at the box office with a picture id and that RAH would not honor tickets gotten from anything other than the RAH box office - frankly - the previous post about RAH not honoring ebay sold tickets is outrageous if true - if they are really going to do this it should be announced - otherwise there will be quite afew very disapointed people Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050201/043e71d6/attachment.html From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Wed Feb 2 00:37:55 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Wed Feb 2 00:38:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] May 8, 10, 11 2004 (No Retiring at RAH) Message-ID: Hi, I am looking to trade for the following shows: May 8 04 May 10 04 May 11 04 No Retiring At RAH versions (Mid Valley) I have a good core collection trade list. Best, Ken From klaassen at coastweb.de Wed Feb 2 02:32:26 2005 From: klaassen at coastweb.de (Gerd Klaassen) Date: Wed Feb 2 02:33:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] New Cream book Message-ID: <4200820A.5090304@coastweb.de> from http://www.noblepr.co.uk/Press_Releases/virgin_books/cream.htm Cream: The World's First Supergroup By Dave Thompson Virgin Books are set to release 'Cream: The World's First Supergroup', a 282-page hardback book featuring rare photographs of one of the greatest rock'n'roll supergroups of the psychedelic sixties. Published in the U.K. on April 7, 2005, the book coincides with the much speculated and eagerly anticipated Cream reunion of the original three members. ..continued... What a coincidence ;) Cheers, Gerd http://www.12bar.de From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Feb 2 02:33:49 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Feb 2 02:34:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream's Fare Farewell Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8917@sunwex01.arivia.kom> I wonder if Tony Palmer's still around to film Cream's Fare Farewell on 6 May. He directs his cameramen in a way that ensures that they stay with the action - you know the singer contortedly singing along - good close-up's, you expect an acne pimple to pop at any moment. When things sound too noisy and confusing, he focuses in the drummer rolling and tumbling over his kit. When there are guitar solos' he embellishes the sound with soothing swirling light fractals. If the event poster is any indication, I truly believe be will be contracted for this event. Kevin NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/b4a34832/attachment.html From shelterd98 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 03:04:11 2005 From: shelterd98 at yahoo.com (greg delaney) Date: Wed Feb 2 03:04:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] a single Cream Tix wanted. ( What else ) Message-ID: <20050202080411.86423.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings from Canada would any digester know where I could get a tix for the Cream reunion without going thru scalpers and e.bay??? if anybody has extras??????? I can be e.mailed at GDelaney@Shaw.ca Thanks GREG P.S Doesn't hurt trying to find out...... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From smevans at tds.net Wed Feb 2 07:45:56 2005 From: smevans at tds.net (SME) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:46:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Shame on you Eric In-Reply-To: <20050202014758.F1A3D8C91C@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050202014758.F1A3D8C91C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <4200CB84.3070108@tds.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/cceb44b9/attachment.html From slowhand at salisbury.net Wed Feb 2 08:41:08 2005 From: slowhand at salisbury.net (Steve Proctor) Date: Wed Feb 2 08:53:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream article Message-ID: <008701c5092e$91ab37b0$d88952a6@HOME> Nathan East sent this link about soaring ticket prices: http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4077241 I spoke to Pam at Adventures In Rock this morning. Packages are still available and she thinks she will also be offering a box seat package. I'm unfamiliar with the RAH, but these box seats are higher up than the stall seats. She expects these packages to be $85 more. This is preliminary and she did not ask me to pass it on. She didn't tell me not to, either. Considering that ticket brokers are now charging $1300 per ticket, these packages seem competitively priced. It's like the Almighty Geetarz said - supply and demand, baby! 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/a5e3e0ed/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 08:57:04 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Wed Feb 2 08:57:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] friggin' and tumblin' Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050202055747511079@mail.gmail.com> What friggin' point in friggin' bitchin' are you a friggin' EC fan or friggin' what! Bahhh Gaetano >Ya know... I been thinking about this for a while and an email brought it up to the front burner. >A friend of mine just wrote me to say that she could buy tickets for $250 ! Great huh. >Problem is >she had no view. Now if Mr EC is reading this SD (which I highly doubt) SHAME ON YOU! >Eric says he would like to get together with his old band-mates because of poor health. >Maybe >even to help out with *medical* expenses? Gimme a break. We, the faithful followers, go to >his concerts >to hear him play. Any aknowledgment of people in the stands is slim to none. Which is >alright. Since we go >see him play anyway. But why stick it up ours and charge 250 hard earned $$$$$ to see a >show without a >view? FOr all I care about it right now is they can go play in a garage for one last time for all I >care. >$250 for a ticket without a view... >And Eric can't control these matters? >Friggin shame on you Eric and shame on all the other sheep they pay that much. From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 09:22:14 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Wed Feb 2 09:23:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] enough poor direction Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105020206222babba4f@mail.gmail.com> Right, some recent live TV-broadcast EC's appearances have had very poor direction indeed, some quick fret work going missed by cameras. When Eric's on stage they should stick to him LOL. Cheers Gaetano >I wonder if Tony Palmer's still around to film Cream's Fare Farewell on >6 May. From cdonatto at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 09:24:04 2005 From: cdonatto at yahoo.com (Cheryl Donatto) Date: Wed Feb 2 09:24:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Going commercial? Message-ID: <20050202142404.4730.qmail@web54410.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy all.... On TV and Radio here in the Houston area... EC is being featured on commercials for SBC Yahoo (high speed internet access service). The radio spot is playing D&D's "Layla" and two guys are arguing about if their downloading speed is faster than EC or not! LOL The TV commercial has some lady in her closet picking through her wardrope with "Wonderful Tonight" playing. When it gets to the line "she's wondering what clothes to wear" it stops and repeats that line a couple of times. She walks out to the bedroom and her hubby is sitting with his laptop playing the song and she says "cut it out". Pretty corny stuff but what do you expect with WT?? LOL Just wondering if this is being played elsewhere? Now for my 2 cents on Cream.... Cream is my least favorite EC band. If I were given tickets, I'm not sure I'd even attend. So Peter, wanna go have a couple of pints while everyone else is at the shows?? :-) CherylD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 09:31:25 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Feb 2 09:31:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: What You're Talking About ... Message-ID: <20050202143125.28397.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> >> well, I don't know where they get there info from but >> they really >> shouldn't post when they don't know what they're >> talking about. It's never stopped you posting before, has it?? Certainly never holds me back! ;) Better to get what information people have out there, so we can all sift through and make the best sense we can of it. There's an old saying "two heads are better than one" and in this case, we've got quite a few to try to sort out some of these ticket issues, so best if people are free to post what they're told. About ticket prices and the whining, I hate to shine the harsh light of reality on things, mainly because I am a charter member of the Cheap Bastard club, but folks - things in life cost money. Before you complain about Cream tickets, let your fingers do the walking and see what people pay for World Cup, or World Series, or Superbowl tix. This is amateur hour, folks. The prices you are upset about, half the time will barely get you in the stadium, and at that you'd need the Hubble telescope to see the action, and need to bring your own portable oxygen tank because you're so high up you can barely breathe. Keep in mind what venue you are paying for. Namely, a SMALL one. Cream could as easily have played Wembley Arena, and again, Supply and Demand 101, with roughly 100 times more seats, prices would be quite affordable. So then people would bitch about being too far away. At least in the RAH all the seats are good, and even behind the stage, should one choose to sit there, you're practically on the stage. Heck, they marketed wrong anyways ... those seats should have been marketed to drummers who will go to watch Ginger! What do Ginger Baker and Tea have in common? They're both better with Cream. ~AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From tonyblakwindsor at hotmail.com Wed Feb 2 11:28:32 2005 From: tonyblakwindsor at hotmail.com (anthony blak) Date: Wed Feb 2 11:29:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Film Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/de911269/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 12:29:36 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Feb 2 12:29:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: 2 cents Message-ID: <20050202172936.94883.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> >> Now for my 2 cents on Cream.... >> Cream is my least favorite EC band. If I were given >> tickets, I'm not sure I'd even attend. Cheryl's secret is out. She's holding out for a Casey Jones and the Engineers reunion tour. ... but only if they wear the soldier outfits! ;) AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 2 12:47:49 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Wed Feb 2 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] cream cream In-Reply-To: <20050202170004.00D348CC32@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Been lurking, reading with some uneasiness at all the problems folks are having to purchase Cream reuinion show tickets, and how of course scalpers, etc are reaping success from this monetarily. There's also been another headlining ticketing fiasco, namely from U2. People signed up to fan club and were promised first priority ticketing for their upcoming tour, only to find ticketmaster crashing themorning of the sale and what not, other problems resulting in scalpers and ticket agencies buying huge sums of tickets.. People were po'd cause they paid 40 bucks for the membership mostly just to get this perk.. so I guess for those you trying to buy Cream tickets, it could be worse. Even though I have no intentions of going (baby coming in April!), it still makes me angry all the complications and shady dealings by ticketmaster, brokers and etc when releasing tickets for any concert. I hope the concerts go well and for those who can't make it but wanted to, we'll have dvds, cds, hopefully some live broadcasts of some kind and just think how exciting april/may will be discussing the reunion, hopelly a new EC album and whether or not he's lost the fire and passion , lol.. By the way thanks to the person who posted the sumlin/ec track. sumptous! AAP From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Wed Feb 2 13:33:56 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Wed Feb 2 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] SHUT UP, everybody. In-Reply-To: <20050202170005.A122F8CD7C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050202132522.00c24c28@mail.clemson.edu> I don't know who wrote the following sentence, but good God. > >Problem is > >she had no view. Now if Mr EC is reading this SD (which I highly >doubt) SHAME ON YOU! All ya'll do is bitch about how you don't get tickets here and there, about how somebody's damn bootleg doesn't play right, etc. I hardly see a fan on this 'zine anymore. Just a bunch or self-absorbed, self-righteous, FANATICS. Who cares if you don't have a view, don't have a good copy of whatever the hell you're copying and sending out, etc You should be grateful that we still have Eric, that he still can play the best damn music out there, and he still plays despite your lingering whining and bitching about what songs sucked on Reptile or "Man, he sure was better back in the day..." when he was on friggin' drugs. Whatever. Of course I love EC, but as I've stated before, I'd sit in a damned trash can to hear/watch him play. And Mr. Whoever-you-are who said "SHAME ON YOU " to Eric, why don't you turn that back on yourself. Thanks for making yourself one of the reasons he probably does NOT read this Digest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/b666737d/attachment.html From iampigpen at comcast.net Wed Feb 2 14:04:18 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:04:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] AG playing tennis Message-ID: <009d01c5095a$01d6fb20$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> The AG didst write: > No matter how irritated you are about tickets. > No matter how annoyed. > No matter how vexed. > No matter how frustrated you are. > You are no where as hilariously angry as EC is here: > > http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1968-cream-tennis.wmv Well, no wonder Eric took to drink and drugs. After watching that, I'm sniffing around on my rug lookin' for a hit as well ! Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/acf77b2f/attachment.html From iampigpen at comcast.net Wed Feb 2 14:23:00 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:22:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] friggin ? Message-ID: <00eb01c5095c$9e720180$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> >>What friggin' point in friggin' bitchin' are you a friggin' EC fan or >>friggin' what! >>Bahhh >>Gaetano Yeah, since '69. Got over 2000 friggin boot titles of his in some fashion or form. Seen him 15 friggin times. Seems the friggin pound is more precious to him than his friggin core fans. I can see why Eric wanted to play at the RAH. I understand friggin completely. But I tell you what. It ain't friggin worth it in my friggin book. I can't see how any good reviews will come out of this. Too much is expected. As time passes, groups become greater. Expectations will be enormous. If they play great then so be it. Remember when you go back to where you grew up? How small than you remembered it to be? I'm afraid folks are lining up for something that is impossible to relive. Hope I'm wrong Pat (what does friggin mean?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/ca591de5/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 17:46:53 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Feb 2 17:47:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Shut UP Message-ID: <20050202224653.9834.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> >> All ya'll do is bitch about how you don't get tickets >> here and there, about >> how somebody's damn bootleg doesn't play right, etc. Discussion groups are like a cocktail party. There are lots of different discussions going on. It's best to tune into the ones you like, and ignore the ones you don't. Sorry some of us don't get into EXCITING stuff like Eric's personal life (which IMO is none of anyone's business) as much as you would like. >> I hardly see a fan on this 'zine anymore. As Johnny Carson used to point out when one of his jokes bombed ... perhaps you could ask for a refund? Or, if this cocktail party is boring you, it might be best to either (1) stimulate a topic of discussion you find interesting, or (2) crash a different party. The better conversationalists I know excel at #1. A number of years back there was another mailing list devoted to more of the "did Eric have a baby?" stuff. Let's put it this way, a good number of us referred to it as the "EC Stalker Chick List". You woulda loved it. Am I the only one who remembers the infamous "Rose P. Slowhand"? We all post messages publicly at times when we don't mean to, but she goes down in my personal record book as the most humiliating ever. >> Of course I love EC, but as I've stated before, I'd >> sit in a damned trash >> can to hear/watch him play. The way things are going, the RAH may just sell the traskcan seating. Based on current prices, that would probably set you back at least a couple hundred pounds. We're at $3435 now: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=6&ObjectID=10009273 >> yourself one of the reasons >> he probably does NOT read this Digest. Yeesh, how 'bout CALM DOWN instead of SHUT UP. LOL. Sounds like someone needs a Midol ... AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 18:14:45 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Feb 2 18:14:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Expectations Message-ID: <20050202231445.25619.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> >> I can't see how any good reviews will come out of >> this. Too much is expected. As time passes, groups >> become greater. Expectations will be enormous. Isn't that the truth! I think it's really a gutsy move on the part of EC, Ginger, and Jack to do this. If you think about it ... the potential downside is actually worse than the upside. Now, with tickets approaching $3500, consider what someone who puts out $10k for a pair of tickets, airfare, lodging, etc. will expect - even if they aren't consciously aware of it? How often have each of you waited with anticipation for some blockbuster movie - only to find that although it's not bad, you leave the theater feeling just a little let down. Then you happen on some small, unremarked movie you never heard of on cable or in a video store, and because your expectations were nil, you walk away really thrilled by the experience. So here's the $64,000 question for group members: with this setup, who will have the higher expectations? The older fans who have actually seen Cream in concert? Or the younger fans, who never had the opportunity? Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From PGaskell at btinternet.com Wed Feb 2 19:39:09 2005 From: PGaskell at btinternet.com (Peter Gaskell) Date: Wed Feb 2 19:39:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Keeping the scalpers guessing Message-ID: <005701c50989$076a3e60$36c67ad5@q9v1z4> I contacted the RAH to ask if they would be posting out tickets to those identified as scalpers using Ebay. They replied "Those customers purchasing tickets from the Royal Albert Hall were informed that we would not be printing and sending out tickets until a month before the event.The Royal Albert Hall strongly discourages customers from purchasing tickets from any unauthorised agencies." Such officialese, ambiguous or not, should worry anyone using Ebay to buy or sell tickets for the Cream concerts. Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050203/7d583734/attachment-0001.html From ijwthstd at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 19:53:01 2005 From: ijwthstd at yahoo.com (ijwthstd) Date: Wed Feb 2 19:53:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: cream cream In-Reply-To: <20050203003908.F3F7E8D150@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050203005301.4179.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> > Been lurking, reading with some uneasiness at all > the problems folks are > having to purchase Cream reuinion show tickets, and > how of course scalpers, > etc are reaping success from this monetarily. > There's also been another > headlining ticketing fiasco, namely from U2. People > signed up to fan club > and were promised first priority ticketing for their > upcoming tour, only to > find ticketmaster crashing themorning of the sale > and what not, other > problems resulting in scalpers and ticket agencies > buying huge sums of > tickets.. People were po'd cause they paid 40 bucks > for the membership > mostly just to get this perk.. so I guess for those > you trying to buy Cream > tickets, it could be worse. Actually, U2 fans were promised no such thing and would have realized that if they read the fine print. However, people shut out are being offered refunds or priority access for the fall leg. Presales and fan club access have already been recognized as a scam by any experienced ticket buyers and I guess a few hundred thousand more people had to learn their lesson the hard way. That said, if EC doesn't want to do 24 nights (or 100?) he should at least do one big gig to satisfy demand. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Wed Feb 2 19:59:16 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Wed Feb 2 19:59:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] SHUT UP, everybody. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050202132522.00c24c28@mail.clemson.edu> Message-ID: <005101c5098b$964b7980$728c29d8@Kelly> Thanks for lumping us all into one category. Very nice. (sarcasm...yes) Kelly ----------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Outlaw To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: [Slowhand] SHUT UP, everybody. I don't know who wrote the following sentence, but good God. >Problem is >she had no view. Now if Mr EC is reading this SD (which I highly doubt) SHAME ON YOU! All ya'll do is bitch about how you don't get tickets here and there, about how somebody's damn bootleg doesn't play right, etc. I hardly see a fan on this 'zine anymore. Just a bunch or self-absorbed, self-righteous, FANATICS. Who cares if you don't have a view, don't have a good copy of whatever the hell you're copying and sending out, etc You should be grateful that we still have Eric, that he still can play the best damn music out there, and he still plays despite your lingering whining and bitching about what songs sucked on Reptile or "Man, he sure was better back in the day..." when he was on friggin' drugs. Whatever. Of course I love EC, but as I've stated before, I'd sit in a damned trash can to hear/watch him play. And Mr. Whoever-you-are who said "SHAME ON YOU " to Eric, why don't you turn that back on yourself. Thanks for making yourself one of the reasons he probably does NOT read this Digest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/11255e39/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Wed Feb 2 20:04:58 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Wed Feb 2 20:05:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Expectations References: <20050202231445.25619.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005b01c5098c$61f27c00$728c29d8@Kelly> Younger fan here trying to answer that question, but of course I can't answer for other young fans. I have some great expectations, but I know the Cream of today won't be the same. That's okay. I don't expect a 16 minute Spoonful performance, and to be honest I'll be just as happy if it's a 9 minute Spoonful performance. I really don't think they can let me down. Now, if I had a time machine I could compare 1968 and 2005 after seeing both in person. ;-) Kelly ---------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almighty Geetarz" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Expectations > So here's the $64,000 question for group members: with > this setup, who will have the higher expectations? The > older fans who have actually seen Cream in concert? Or > the younger fans, who never had the opportunity? > > Cheers, > AG From iampigpen at comcast.net Wed Feb 2 21:44:07 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Wed Feb 2 21:44:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Friggin' shut up! Message-ID: <003c01c5099a$3dd91e60$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Tracy wrote: >I hardly see a fan on this 'zine anymore. Just a bunch or self-absorbed, self-righteous, FANATICS. Who cares if you don't have a view, don't have a good copy of whatever the hell you're copying and sending out, etc You should be grateful that we still have Eric, that he still can play the best damn music out there, and he still plays despite your lingering whining and bitching about what songs sucked on Reptile or "Man, he sure was better back in the day..." when he was on friggin' drugs. Whatever.< http://www.geetarz.org/funniez/pics/thanks-for-playing.jpg Animal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/7604d477/attachment.html From dzorn at snet.net Wed Feb 2 21:47:24 2005 From: dzorn at snet.net (Dawn Zorn) Date: Wed Feb 2 21:48:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] New Baby Arrives! Message-ID: <20050203024724.58639.qmail@web81005.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations! Melia had Clapton's 3rd Baby Girl born today (2/2) about 4:00PM London Time. They haven't said what her name is yet. I was hoping that they would have a baby boy this time but no luck. Anyway, Mother and child are well. They plan to raise the child in London. ****Dawn**** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050202/86eb3643/attachment.html From bluesview at comcast.net Wed Feb 2 21:50:18 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Wed Feb 2 21:50:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Expectations References: <20050202231445.25619.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c5099b$18d63700$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almighty Geetarz" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Expectations > >> I can't see how any good reviews will come out of > >> this. Too much is expected. As time passes, groups > >> become greater. Expectations will be enormous. > > Isn't that the truth! > > I think it's really a gutsy move on the part of EC, > Ginger, and Jack to do this. If you think about it > ... the potential downside is actually worse than the > upside. > > Now, with tickets approaching $3500, consider what > someone who puts out $10k for a pair of tickets, > airfare, lodging, etc. will expect - even if they > aren't consciously aware of it? > > How often have each of you waited with anticipation > for some blockbuster movie - only to find that > although it's not bad, you leave the theater feeling > just a little let down. Then you happen on some small, > unremarked movie you never heard of on cable or in a > video store, and because your expectations were nil, > you walk away really thrilled by the experience. > > So here's the $64,000 question for group members: with > this setup, who will have the higher expectations? The > older fans who have actually seen Cream in concert? Or > the younger fans, who never had the opportunity? > > Cheers, > AG > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > I hope the people going to the concert realize they bought a ticket to see Jack, Ginger and Eric as they are (and play) today. Call them Cream or call them milk. It's still comes down to the fact that these three guys are playing some concerts. They aren't trying to copy or exceed what they did 35 years ago. By all means it should be very special. These guys are taking a giant risk professionally.There's so much pressure and all sorts of expectations from different factions of their fans. They didn't have to do this. I'm sure they were ready to forget about the whole thing many times before finally committing to it. They certainly are going to 'coast' through this ordeal. I believe they realize this is a sentimental thing for them as well as the fans. And, in reality, probably the last time they could get this show(s) together. As for the high prices.... for the scalpers, it's supply and demand, what the market will bare. Nothing new here. And for the original 'face value' prices, don't blame Eric. Blame the many layers of management. And management of all the teams involved. Eric doesn't set the prices for the tickets! The band will come away from these concerts making little profit. Their profit will come IF there are CDs and DVDs available of the shows AND they sell enough of them. My own personal opinion is this is a very special reunion. If I could, I would pay the high prices to see this event. It's that special to me. I've bought tickets to concerts through the years from scalpers IF it was someone or something VERY special because to me it's not about the money, it's about the experience. If you want it bad enough, and can afford it, I see nothing to complain about. Not to mention, Cream isn't going to go through all this crap for free. BV From rhenrion at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 22:01:39 2005 From: rhenrion at yahoo.com (R. Henrion) Date: Wed Feb 2 22:01:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] new baby Message-ID: <20050203030139.88177.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.local6.com/entertainment/4155473/detail.html http://www.newsnet5.com/entertainment/4152731/detail.html Congratulations!!! ===== Roberta Henrion __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Cobhome at aol.com Thu Feb 3 01:50:28 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 3 01:50:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] stuff Message-ID: <128.559a7b46.2f3323b4@aol.com> What do Ginger Baker and Tea have in common? They're both better with Cream. AG - I couldn't stop laughing - that is one OLD joke - While I am amazed that there are really tickets selling for 3500$ (gulp!) if I had that kind of cash - to see Cream - I'd pay it. I know it sounds crazy to some - but - what the heck if you have the money! And yeah - the DVD will be nice - but not as good as actually being there - I am not so sure I'd really blame EC for this fiasco - although - in general - it would be nice to see all rock stars show some consideration for the fans and not make us have to negotiate lousy ticket systems - ancient as I am - I do recall that Bangladesh concert used a lottery system - so did the Dylan/Band tour - where one sent in a money order - with seating preferences - and a return envelope - and then the envelopes were picked in a lottery - no lines no hours on the phone - and all had the same chance - if you got picked - they sent you back two tickets - if you weren't picked - they sent back your money order - I was also thinking about the expectation issue - I do agree this has been a huge risk in some ways for all three guys - and I would like to think that those of us who did see Cream - will be so wise and mature - that we won't approach this with expectations - LOL - I also suspect that anyone who pays this kind of money will convince themselves the concert was great - LOL - won't want to admit they wasted that much money !! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050203/bd63b06c/attachment-0001.html From Mowdamowda at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 03:20:49 2005 From: Mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Thu Feb 3 03:22:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: SHUT UP. everybody. Message-ID: If there's one thing I hate more than ALL YOU SLOWHANDERS (every single one of you) bitchin', it's somebody bitchin' about you bitchin'! All I see is a self-absorbed, self-righteous Slowhander bitchin' about us bitchin'. "Who cares if you don't have a view?" Well, shucks, I care. So post and let me hear about it. "Who cares if you don't have a good copy of whatever the hell you're copying and sending out?" Hey, I care on that count as well. So post and tell me ALL about it. By the way if anyone does sit in a damned trash can to hear/watch Eric play, can they record it for me, BUT make sure it's DAO, I don't want to spoil the experience of that thar damned trash can with pesky little two second gaps. Tone PS AG, that Casey Jones and the Engineers reunion sounds good. I may be able to score a couple of tickets from scalpers if you're interested......do trash cans behind the stage sound okay? T All ya'll do is bitch about how you don't get tickets here and there, about how somebody's damn bootleg doesn't play right, >etc. I hardly see a fan on this 'zine anymore. Just a bunch or self-absorbed, self-righteous, FANATICS. Who cares if you don't have a view, don't have a good copy of whatever the hell you're copying and sending out, etc You should be grateful that we still have Eric, that he still can play the best damn music out there, and he still plays despite your lingering whining and bitching about what songs sucked on Reptile or "Man, he sure was better back in the day..." when he was on friggin' drugs. Whatever. Of course I love EC, but as I've stated before, I'd sit in a damned trash can to hear/watch him play. And Mr. Whoever-you-are who said "SHAME ON YOU " to Eric, why don't you turn that back on yourself. Thanks for making yourself one of the reasons he probably does NOT read this Digest. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050203/2a0e6412/attachment.html From gordon at signsupplies.fsnet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 06:33:12 2005 From: gordon at signsupplies.fsnet.co.uk (Gordon Ivett) Date: Thu Feb 3 06:33:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking CD's and Jools Hooland NYE DVD Message-ID: <004e01c509e4$257e39f0$f7c04d51@northwesszmqgl> Thanks to Gary Holderness I have five copies of the Woking New Years Eve CD and Jools Holland New Years Eve Show on DVD available to the digest. Please email name & address to gordon@ivett.fsworld.co.uk or gordon@signsupplies.fsnet.co.uk From smevans at tds.net Thu Feb 3 07:51:15 2005 From: smevans at tds.net (SME) Date: Thu Feb 3 07:51:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The SHUT UP person In-Reply-To: <20050203003908.D35058D114@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050203003908.D35058D114@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <42021E43.4010002@tds.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050203/6bd8ae21/attachment.html From mrnybluesman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 08:33:41 2005 From: mrnybluesman at yahoo.com (Richie) Date: Thu Feb 3 08:33:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] expectations In-Reply-To: <20050203065035.4A9AA8D0C8@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050203133341.50268.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> I certainly have no expectations about the 1968 vs 2005 Cream. I saw Cream back in the day.For me it will be impossible to compare the two, age, life's circumstance,experiences..have all made me different then I was when I saw Cream the first time. I look at it as an opportunity to see my guitar inspiration in a setting he has not been in for 36 years. Will they be amazing, will they stink up the stage? Who knows? I have seem many EC concerts where I walked away unsatisfied. For me the setlist will have something to do with it, as will the venue. Lots of memories will be brought back though, that I can guarantee. After all the feelings and memories EC has given me, I am sure a part of me will be transported back to my East Village and Fillmore Days. Something I look back on with great nostalgia and fondness. Now..if they would only let me make up the setlist...smiling Be Well Richie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Feb 3 08:57:07 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Feb 3 08:57:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] LOL Message-ID: <006501c509f8$412bdc20$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Melia had Clapton's 3rd Baby Girl born today << Looks like Eric can't shoot any more "Y" bullets, just "X"s. It obviously affects his guitar playin' too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not the one crooning and aching and pining and slobbering away to get in his damn show! Ummm...you are, chicky-poo. That's a little more than someone who just likes his music and appreciates his talent. That's, uhh, stalking. And last, but not least, another pearl of Geetarz geerbage........ Sounds like someone needs a Midol ... Nope. Due to an illness (I don't like to say the actual word), I don't have anything that a woman would need a Midol for. They had to take it all out. But thanks for reminding me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050203/a61c5d01/attachment.html From jbm90501 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 10:17:30 2005 From: jbm90501 at yahoo.com (James Fox) Date: Thu Feb 3 10:17:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] suchadeal Message-ID: <20050203151730.97660.qmail@web53102.mail.yahoo.com> After much thought I've decided to throw out this offer. I'm willing to accept a room for the night & a ticket to one of the RAH shows, I'll buy refreshments before the event. First one to respond gets the package. - Jim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Feb 3 10:23:02 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Feb 3 10:23:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: AG Message-ID: <00be01c50a04$41d14d70$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Ummm...you are, chicky-poo. That's a little more than someone who just >> likes his music and appreciates his talent. That's, uhh, stalking. << Chicky-poo? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050203/7cfcbae3/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 11:03:29 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Feb 3 11:03:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Outlaw on the Loose Message-ID: <20050203160329.3069.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> >> But I do care if >> something goes good or bad in his life, just as I >> care if something >> happened in anyone's life. I'm a human...not a >> jackass. Do you have documentation? >> Oh--but thanks for posting about the baby--oh >> wait--that might have been >> too personal--anyhoo, good for Eric and the Missus. Amen. >> I'm not the one crooning and aching and pining and >> slobbering away to get >> in his damn show! And if you're not interesting in going to a show ... why are you on this list? If you don't have any interest in the music, why are you on this list? I mean, other than that it's a (mostly) cool group of people. I do enjoy the work of other artists to a lesser degree where I don't go see them live or collect their performances. But, I also don't participate in mailing lists, newsgroups, or the like for those artists. Given that this is a forum for people who are brought together through a love of EC's music, you should not seem shocked that the people here want to (gasp!) attend an EC show, nor that the majority of the people here have some passing interest in listening to EC's music. Discussing various performances and styles over the years without having listened to the music is akin to a movie reviewier doing his work without viewing the film! It's unfair to characterize the members of this group as 'fanatic' simply because they are disappointed that they can't afford the prices, or because some choose to focus on EC's music rather than ... well, whatever else there is. >> Ummm...you are, chicky-poo. That's a little more >> than >> someone who just likes his music and appreciates his >> talent. That's, uhh, >> stalking. You're definitely on the wrong list. The other list is the Stalker Chick list. >>Nope. Due to an illness (I don't like to say the >>actual word), I don't have >>anything that a woman would need a Midol for. They >>had to take it all out. >>But thanks for reminding me. Hmm. You still sound a bit hysterical. Lithium, maybe? ;) AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 11:14:57 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Feb 3 11:18:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Trashcans Message-ID: <20050203161457.67465.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> ----------- By the way if anyone does sit in a damned trash can to hear/watch Eric play, can they record it for me, BUT make sure it's DAO, I don't want to spoil the experience of that thar damned trash can with pesky little two second gaps. ----------- Hey Tone, I dunno, don't make blanket statements. I mean, what if it's one of those awful sounding plastic trashcans instead of one of the good sounding metal ones? Now I am thinking of Maxwell Smart's "Chief", who always turned up inside trashcans, mailboxes, the like. Given the ticket prices, one can't help but picture a trashcan with feet coming out the bottom, inching closer to the doors at RAH! --------- interested......do trash cans behind the stage sound okay? --------- Funny that the behind the stage issue has come up, a few of us were discussing this on the 2004 tour. If you think back to the late 80s and early 90s when EC was on fire, on the radio, all sorts of guest appearances, etc., that was common, to sell all the seats, even behind the stage, because people would do anything just to get in the building. I had a few of those tickets myself ... not that I ever sat in those seats For the last few tours, in some cases large segments of the behind and side stage areas were not sold. So when some of last summer's shows were "Sold Out", that's not really a fair comparison as "sold out" for those same venues on earlier tours represented a good number more seats. So it's nice to see that there is such demand. How awful would it have been if the shows hadn't sold? I don't think we should write this off yet. Given the interest, and prices, maybe ... just maybe ... the guys will agree to an arena or stadium show of some sort. The Stones, for instance, have done this, playing in an arena one night and a club the next. I'm not saying it will happen, but I honestly don't think any of the band would want so many people to be disappointed, I mean think about it for a second. So maybe, just maybe ... Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Thu Feb 3 11:42:48 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Thu Feb 3 11:42:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] AG, Redux In-Reply-To: <20050203160333.A04BB8CBF0@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050203111402.02e9b658@mail.clemson.edu> Geetarz wrote: And if you're not interesting in going to a show ... why are you on this list? If you don't have any interest in the music, why are you on this list? I mean, other than that it's a (mostly) cool group of people. I do , and I have. I just don't think flying to London will fit very nicely into my salary. Input has to be more than output. Which sucks, but I have been able to go to a few--and that's better than none. Sweetie-if I had the $$ and the time, I'd fly both of us to London or wherever he was going to be (I'd take the trash can seat) just to prove you're wrong about me. I couldn't tell a D flat from an F, I can't play a guitar, but I do respect and love Eric's music. Just his music and his talent, and I admire his strength for getting out of the rough spots. Other than that, he doesn't do much for me. So, quit trying to put me on some "other" list. Oh screw it--You win. You ARE the biggest EC fan EVER. I bow to you. He's god, and you're his jesus, despite the fact that you treat him/his music like he's a damn jukebox. That's what you're trying to prove, aren't you? I can't be a fan unless I go to every single show? I can't be a fan if I don't get this and that bootleg? That's insane, sweetie. You can take your holier-than-thou attitude and stick it right up your Geetar. Of course I want to go and get and do. But I have little habits that I have to support, such as food, water, and shelter. I do what I can. Getearz wrote again: >Hmm. You still sound a bit hysterical. > >Lithium, maybe? > >;) > >AG Can't get it anymore except off the internet, and it's really expensive.....;-) You're so sensitive. Let me guess: you thought the '04 tsunami was just a really bitchin' wave, huh? I'll get some Lithium if you'll get some Viagra. You remember what that kind of pent-up frustration did to Oedipus, don't you? Let it go, man. I simply stated an opinion. No reason for all of you guys to get so defensive! If I offended in any way, I think it's hilarious--no, hysterical... Calm down. Go mortgage your house for a show if you want; not my place to say. But stop blaming Eric for what he might or might not can control about prices or seating or whatever makes you so damn angry! It's ok. It will all be ok. Here--you can have what's left of my lithium........ From john.hutchinson at tcd.ie Thu Feb 3 12:15:23 2005 From: john.hutchinson at tcd.ie (John Hutchinson) Date: Thu Feb 3 12:14:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Sessions for Robert J Message-ID: 'Sessions for Robert J' has just been released here in Ireland, and after a few listens I'm surprised that no one has been more enthusiastic about it. It's much more relaxed and impassioned than its predecessor, and I'm inclined to rate it (after 40 years of interest in EC) as containing some of his best ever singing and playing. There's some phenomenal stuff on both the DVD and CD - the best tracks are beautiful and believable. And, in terms of the recent debate about EC'S highs and lows, one of the points that I think has been missed is his deepening integrity. You could feel the love and commitment in his orchestration of 'Concert for George', and the quiet dignity of his performances on Jools Holland's New Year show as well as at the Tsunami was touching and impressive. We're lucky to have him. John From jnacca0408 at rogers.com Thu Feb 3 13:23:01 2005 From: jnacca0408 at rogers.com (JOHN NACCARATO) Date: Thu Feb 3 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] chief? Message-ID: <000a01c50a1d$65597ce0$b7ecc545@D10RM611> Hi Mark, you're confusing Chief with Agent 13 from the get smart show. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 15:11:30 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:11:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Prespective Message-ID: <20050203201131.57127.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> What's the record for ticket prices, anyway? Want some perspective? Prepare to be horrified: http://www.tickco.com/xml/Tickets.asp?pid=249060 Cher. $1725. It's rare, but ... it's so absurd I don't even have a smartass remark! ;) AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cobob at surry.net Thu Feb 3 15:21:17 2005 From: cobob at surry.net (Robert V Enfield) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:21:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] interest? Message-ID: <007201c50a2d$ebe44960$22f490cf@ENFIELD1> Hi All, Been watching all the discussion about ticket prices and interest and bitchin and friggin. Maybe Eric does read the list and hopefully share it with Jack and Ginger. Maybe they can see how much interest there is on this side of the pond and they'll agree to get along long enough to do a few shows over here. Maybe I could aford to see them over here, I'd give up my left nut to do so. Cheers, Bob Enfield -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050203/45bca5f3/attachment.html From gwornex at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 18:43:44 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Thu Feb 3 18:43:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] title for CREAM reunion CD Message-ID: <20050203234344.45872.qmail@web50008.mail.yahoo.com> Possible title for CREAM reunion CD.....WHEELCHAIRS OF FIRE.... I saw this in Google group and thought it was funny regardless of your opinion of this event......... g.w. From gwornex at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 19:20:38 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Thu Feb 3 19:20:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] article on Patti Boyd exhibit Message-ID: <20050204002038.51433.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com> Interesting article on Patti Boyd...... http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/03/pattie.boyd/index.html From blues4jr at aol.com Thu Feb 3 19:35:42 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 3 19:35:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] AG/Pat/DeltaNick/Tracy Message-ID: <308B82F1.24FEB087.00955D93@aol.com> Jeez - I am out of town for 2 days without internet access, come home to 5 SDs...Wow, The Almighty needing Viagra. Pat using the "F" word (friggin). Tracy being blasphemous to the Almighty. And even DeltaNick getting involved. My head be a spinning...can't handle all this in one reading. I HAVE to get my laptop fixed so I don't miss an issue of As The Slowhand Digest Turns. I must admit though, they were some of the more entertaining digests in a while. John From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 20:29:28 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Thu Feb 3 20:29:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] No Judgement Day Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105020317292418fcd1@mail.gmail.com> Wow! Wasn't someone complaining about the lack of topics? Looks like people are getting pretty steamy on the digest. I think that's always a good sign, as far as contents stick to sheer, arguable ideas. That's what groups are meant for, after all. As for being interested in EC on a technical/artistical rather than human/personal level, I think people just have different attitudes because they are different. Distant choices obviously depend on different characters, stories and education. None of which make fans better or worse deserving in taking part to such a digest, in my opinion. Any approach should be regarded with respect. So personally, I have grown more and more interested in anything about EC because I simply think an artist's career can't be fully known without digging into all kinds of aspects involving his life in a broad sense. And I'm neither ashamed nor embarrassed to say that Eric's music has meant a lot to the way I'm now. Like it or not, people and things change, and I want to know how they change when it comes to Clapton besides a few other things. Nevertheless, I don't think I'm among those immature who throw their own frustrations into their personal relationship with their idol. That said, I think Cream, as Eric himself, should be appreciated as a (huge) bit of the world cultural heritage. Warts and all: art simply can't be subject to selections. Real art should be just enjoyed, with no judgement. Is Eric uninterested in what his fans expect? If you don't like that, nobody's forcing you to be a fan of his. Because, just in case someone hasn't noticed that yet, we're on a fanzine. And (even?) those who almost get the boot before the man strides onto te stage are. Are prices to attend his shows expensive? Attending concerts "is certainly not prescribed by doctors" (as we say in Italy, in Italian of course lol). Art should belong to everyone, yet is often expensive on the market: not everyone can afford it. Luckily, we can enjoy the recordings thanks to few guys, and share them thanks to all (most?) of us. >>I'm afraid folks are lining up for something that is impossible to relive. Sorry to throw the toy out of the pram, but they'll NEVER witness that "something". What Cream will be now is a result of what they've been since when they first performed: everything matters. And I'm sure that those attending their upcoming shows will see and feel some OTHER wonders, as a result of the whole process. Expectations from Cream don't make much sense to me, which of course doesn't mean overlooking their courage and failing to admire them for hitting the stage after so long and so much talking. That's and has always been part of EC's way, which makes him great. Cheers Gaetano From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 20:38:41 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Thu Feb 3 20:38:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] IN is in Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050203173847dd2298@mail.gmail.com> taking part IN ;) Gaetano From iampigpen at comcast.net Thu Feb 3 21:18:11 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Thu Feb 3 21:18:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Shut Up and Get a valium Message-ID: <010b01c50a5f$c90bc5d0$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Tracy wrote: I just don't think flying to London will fit very nicely into my salary. But why not. I mean everyone's got $3500 extra big ones stashed somewhere. I just think the bottom line is this. Money. Everybody's wanting a piece of the action and it's my opinion that Eric and the others would know this. What is Eric's position on scalpers? I would hope he had some concern. But it's evident he's not too worried about what happens. You can take your holier-than-thou attitude and stick it right up your Geetar. You know that AG is just giving his 2 cents worth. And that's what this forums for. I know for a fact that Geetarz is not holier than thou. I bet in his life he's sent out 5 discs to 1 to just share the music. From what I suspect it gives him a thrill to somehow brighten others days with music that we care about. Just because he doesn't paraphrase a post or end it with phrases like "don't flame me it's just an opinion" or "you may not agree with this" or "I heard but I may be wrong" doesn't mean he's the pope of boots or unauthorized recordings. you thought the '04 tsunami was just a really bitchin' wave, huh? Huh? I definitely believe someone's angrier than the Geetarz man with that remark. Let it go, man. I simply stated an opinion....... Well, if you aren't the pot calling the kettle black. All I did was talk about the RAH...the RAH...not the scalpers selling tickets for $250 a pop without a view. Was that an opinion? Yes, I think so. So turn it back on you, babe. But stop blaming Eric for what he might or might not can control about prices or seating or whatever makes you so damn angry! Disappointed is a more appropriate word. Disappointed that EC didn't control ticket distribution any better. Sting sells tickets early to fans. So does Knopler. Why can't Eric. IN MY OPINION, I think it's laziness. Eric admits to this fault. Many times as we all know. And for the angry part babe, nobody's angry but you. you can have what's left of my lithium! Now we're talking . Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From iampigpen at comcast.net Thu Feb 3 21:31:10 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Thu Feb 3 21:31:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] trash can Message-ID: <013c01c50a61$997a4600$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> >>By the way if anyone does sit in a damned trash can to hear/watch Eric play, can they record it for me, BUT make sure it's DAO, I don't want to spoil the experience of that thar damned trash can with pesky little two second gaps.<< At $3500 a ticket now, alot of people might end up eating out of those trash cans! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I see it just the same... take care, Manuel From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Feb 4 05:33:07 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Feb 4 05:33:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: AG Message-ID: <001f01c50aa4$ebd0ef60$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Chicky-poo? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050204/186352d0/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 08:02:12 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Feb 4 08:02:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] swing low... Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105020405026ae0920@mail.gmail.com> >From what I suspect it gives him a thrill to somehow brighten others days with music that >we care about. I totally agree. >>you thought the '04 tsunami was just a really bitchin' wave, huh? >>Huh? I definitely believe someone's angrier than the Geetarz man with that remark. surely just not the case to even mention >>But stop blaming Eric for what he might or might not >>can control about prices or seating or whatever makes you so damn >>angry! > >Disappointed is a more appropriate word. Disappointed that EC didn't control ticket >distribution any better. Sting sells tickets early to fans. So does Knopler. Why can't Eric. IN >MY OPINION, I think it's laziness. Eric admits to this fault. Many times as we all know. If my mother had wheels, she'd be a barrow. Have you realised Eric is neither Sting nor Knopfler? What point in wishing he was different than he IS?? If he was, he wouldn't act the way he does in ALL senses. That is simply Eric Clapton, take it or leave. Cheers Gaetano From eric.lacroix at free.fr Fri Feb 4 09:22:45 2005 From: eric.lacroix at free.fr (Eric Lacroix) Date: Fri Feb 4 09:22:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Sessions for Robert J Message-ID: <1107526965.24057.9.camel@lacroix> John Hutchinson wrote: > 'Sessions for Robert J' has just been released here in Ireland, and > after a few listens I'm surprised that no one has been more > enthusiastic about it. > [...] > It's much more relaxed and impassioned than its predecessor, [...] I should have posted something in that way. I finally like EC playing Robert Johnson songs in 2004. I'm very happy with Sessions for Robert J. I think that M&MJ misses some acoustic tracks. On several tracks of M&MJ I get disapointed when drums starts. Acoustic or electric guitar intros of some songs are very good, and I would have enjoyed that they go on the same way. Eric. From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 4 10:07:36 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Fri Feb 4 10:07:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Trashcans References: <20050203161457.67465.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004001c50acb$432208f0$2224ff3e@MAIN> Interesting thought, trash cans, hmm.... Anyone know what day the bins go out at the Albert Hall. Are they Wheelie bins or black sacks, how near to the stage the rubbish is stored? Not that I'm desparate to get in or anything :P Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almighty Geetarz" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Trashcans > ----------- > By the way if anyone does sit in a damned trash can to > hear/watch Eric play, > can they record it for me, BUT make sure it's DAO, I > don't want to spoil the > experience of that thar damned trash can with pesky > little two second gaps. > ----------- > > Hey Tone, > > I dunno, don't make blanket statements. > > I mean, what if it's one of those awful sounding > plastic trashcans instead of one of the good sounding > metal ones? > > Now I am thinking of Maxwell Smart's "Chief", who > always turned up inside trashcans, mailboxes, the > like. Given the ticket prices, one can't help but > picture a trashcan with feet coming out the bottom, > inching closer to the doors at RAH! > > --------- > interested......do > trash cans behind the stage sound okay? > --------- > > Funny that the behind the stage issue has come up, a > few of us were discussing this on the 2004 tour. If > you think back to the late 80s and early 90s when EC > was on fire, on the radio, all sorts of guest > appearances, etc., that was common, to sell all the > seats, even behind the stage, because people would do > anything just to get in the building. I had a few of > those tickets myself ... not that I ever sat in those > seats > > For the last few tours, in some cases large segments > of the behind and side stage areas were not sold. So > when some of last summer's shows were "Sold Out", > that's not really a fair comparison as "sold out" for > those same venues on earlier tours represented a good > number more seats. > > So it's nice to see that there is such demand. How > awful would it have been if the shows hadn't sold? I > don't think we should write this off yet. Given the > interest, and prices, maybe ... just maybe ... the > guys will agree to an arena or stadium show of some > sort. The Stones, for instance, have done this, > playing in an arena one night and a club the next. > I'm not saying it will happen, but I honestly don't > think any of the band would want so many people to be > disappointed, I mean think about it for a second. So > maybe, just maybe ... > > Cheers, > AG > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com > > From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Fri Feb 4 10:32:20 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Fri Feb 4 10:32:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pot, here. Where's my kettle when I need it? In-Reply-To: <20050204021805.0ADAF8C797@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050204095422.00c43308@mail.clemson.edu> >"Why can't Eric. IN MY OPINION, I think it's laziness. Eric admits to this >fault. Many times as we all know. And for the angry part babe, nobody's >angry but you." No, not angry, babe. Just astounded that some things mean so much to some people, some things mean a little less to other people--and both "sides" (for lack of a better word) have to sling crap at each other (myself included). To me, being able to even GET IN (or get over to) RAH would be a dream, regardless as to whether I could see or not. I'm just like that. I don't need to see Eric's every little guitar strum, hair follicle, shoestring twirl, bead of sweat, and facial expression to prove to myself, to other people--good Lord, even to him--that I'm a fan, fanatic, or that I enjoy this fanzine. To me, that would be a really, really sad way (and somewhat gross--and a little "Dead Head"--) to spend my life. Heck, I'd rather put on a DVD and drink some coffee. But I'm a little boring in that regard. To you or a few other people on the list, your admiration, respect, idolization--whatever--may have to take a completely different form in order to prove something to yourself or the other 10,000 people there. How many holes does it take to fill the Albert Hall, anyway? Ahh, a day in the life. But I digress... And that's ok. It doesn't make you better or me worse. It doesn't make the planets fall out of line, thereby forcing Wal-Marts across America to shut down simultaneously, forcing the stock market to further plummet into economic oblivion. It doesn't make the mountains fall into the oceans, and it doesn't make your hot tamale turn cold. It just IS. "Everybody's wanting a piece of the action and it's my opinion that Eric and the others would know this. What is Eric's position on scalpers? I would hope he had some concern. But it's evident he's not too worried about what happens." What if he really CAN'T control it? What if he has expressed his concern, thinks the whole thing just stinks, and higher powers than he have told him to go stuff it? He's god, but notice the small g. Not to say that God is his boss, but in the music world--his music world--I'll bet there are some that sure think they are. I dunno. I ain't in the biz. "...everyone's wanting a piece of the action?" Do you hear yourself? He's not a machine. One heck of a guitar player, but he's not a "piece of action," and neither are Jack and Ginger. ANd don't lump everyone into that "Everyone" category. Yuck. I'd hate to think that Mr. Clapton thought all of his fans were like that. It's sad that as soon as a piece of music finds its way onto a cd or tape or album, it becomes a commodity. Like cows. And a few of you think I'M the one treating Clapton like, *gulp*, a piece of meat..... And, babe, if you think he isn't worried about his fans, then as Gaetano said, "Is Eric uninterested in what his fans expect? If you don't like that, nobody's forcing you to be a fan of his." Ok, ok. Are are a big Number Two Fan. You win, too. Now go kiss your Clapton posters nite-nite, and put on your EC footy pajamas, and Mommy will tell you a story about the Guitar King and the mean, wicked RAH RAH monsters who all wanted "a piece of his action...." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050204/e7c505cb/attachment.html From joetoomey at eircom.net Fri Feb 4 11:29:29 2005 From: joetoomey at eircom.net (Joe Toomey) Date: Fri Feb 4 11:29:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <000001c50ad6$b3fa94b0$944d869f@Toomeyhome> I was lucky enough to get some Cream tickets in the choir for the Monday night. It's been a long time since I was in the RAH but can't remember sitting there. Thanks to all those Slowhanders who've been highlighting just how good these seats are! For the record I too would pay through the nose to sit in a trash-can to hear Cream play live - hopefully I'll have a view as well. I'm also quite pleased to hear that I'm still young as I wasn't there when they last played (barely out of nappies then - some would say little has changed!)I could go on about the trials & tribulations of securing them but hey-ho I DID get some. Good luck to those living in hope. Keep on keeping on. BTW I think I asked this some time back but have forgotten (there's a theme emerging here) What does LOL mean? Joe Toomey Mob +353 87 6684265 From llt58 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 4 11:35:06 2005 From: llt58 at hotmail.com (Loraine Taylor) Date: Fri Feb 4 12:13:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric became a Dad again on Tuesday 1 Feb. 2005 Message-ID: I don't think anyone has posted this here, and most news sites have the same info, so here's the news: http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_1269524.html Eric Becomes A Dad Again Eric Clapton has joined the old dad's brigade after becoming a father for the fifth time. The 59-year-old guitar star's wife gave birth to a girl in a London hospital on Tuesday. Melia, 29, and Eric already have two children together, three-year-old Julie Rose and two-year-old Ella Mae. According to The Sun, the name for their new addition has yet to be revealed but a source said: "Baby and mother are doing well. Eric was there for the delivery." Eric also has another daughter, Ruth, 19, by an ex-girlfriend Yvonne Kelly. And tragically his four-year-old son Conor - by Italian actress Lory Del Santo - died in a fall from a New York skyscraper in 1991. From susbastille at msn.com Fri Feb 4 14:46:42 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Fri Feb 4 14:47:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] trying to prove something? Message-ID: >>I don't need to see Eric's every little guitar strum, hair follicle, shoestring twirl, bead of sweat, and facial expression to prove to myself, to other people--good Lord, even to him--that I'm a fan, fanatic, or that I enjoy this fanzine. To me, that would be a really, really sad way (and somewhat gross--and a little "Dead Head"--) to spend my life. To you or a few other people on the list, your admiration, respect, idolization--whatever--may have to take a completely different form in order to prove something to yourself or the other 10,000 people there...<< Good grief, Charlie Brown! And here I was thinking a trip to the RAH was just about living life to the fullest--following one's bliss to experience great music in a great city. Here, Lucy, is a nickel on behalf of all those going. Tell us more about what a Cream ticket holder is trying to prove. susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050204/1cf85636/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Fri Feb 4 20:00:58 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 4 20:01:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] News Message-ID: <11.3e45e90d.2f3574ca@aol.com> on the topic of EC's personal life - seems he has made it clear what he thinks of people "prying" - re: the birth of his recent child - his spokes person made an announcement - this was it "a birth has occurred" - LOL - no mention of name - gender - weight - how everyone is doing - how he feels etc - just those 4 words - looks like a hint to me ! Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050204/a0a286cb/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 20:06:36 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Feb 4 20:06:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Easytree alert: Road Test - LA, CA - November 4, 1999 Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050204170630224c33@mail.gmail.com> Available on Easytree: Eric Clapton - Road Test - LA, CA - November 4, 1999 http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=26309 Geetarz details: http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/road-test-remaster.htm Cheers Gaetano From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Feb 5 01:37:24 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sat Feb 5 01:37:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Wheelchairs Of Fire Message-ID: <000b01c50b4d$2dbc9c50$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Someone here mentioned “Wheelchairs Of Fire” the other day. It made me think of possible titles for the DVD resulting from the Cream reunion in May. Of course, “Wheelchairs Of Fire” is the working title. Other possibilities are “Sour Cream,” “Aged Cheese,” or “Goodbye, Volume II.” And speaking of setlists, I plugged in the setlist generator, and here’s what it spit out: “Spoonful” - "Just a spoonful of that Mucilex, keeps me going all day." "Sunset Of Your Love" "I Feel Arthiritis" "Sleepy Time Pill" "NSU (No Seniors Urinate)" "Spilled Wine" "(Assisted Living Home Entry) Badge" "What A Bringdown" "Grandmother's Lament" "Prescription" - instead of "Politician" "Give It To Me (Because It's All I Can Get)" - instead of "Take It Back," "Slobber" --and-- "Anyone For Shuffleboard" Artwork? Well, they could re-use the original "Goodbye" album cover, which featured tombstones on the inside. And if Cream want to make sure that they won’t be viewed as too old, they could ask Keith Richards and Joni Mitchell to open the show for them. DeltaNick And now a word from our sponsor: Are ticket prices for the upcoming Cream reunion getting you down? Well, liven up, because we’re offering 5- and 10-year loans for your trip to London to see Cream. Lowest rates available. Contact Mark at geetarz.org. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050205/459ce62e/attachment.html From blues4jr at aol.com Sat Feb 5 07:08:24 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 5 07:08:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Which was Eric's worst? Message-ID: <7DFCDADA.0C0874BC.00955D93@aol.com> Thought it would be interesting conversation to see which of EC's commercially released albums/CDs you think was his worst effort and why. I'll throw 3 out there. Reptile Backless There's One In Every Crowd John From blues4jr at aol.com Sat Feb 5 07:13:25 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 5 07:13:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Does anybody know? Message-ID: <0C4251EE.167E9377.00955D93@aol.com> Does anybody know where "Bluesbreaker Sessions w/Jimmy Page" May 1965 was recorded? It's the one with Draggin My Tail, Choker, Miles Road, Snake Drive, Frieght Loader, West Coast Idea and Tribute to Elmore. It has been released under many titles. Thanks, John From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Sat Feb 5 08:31:42 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Sat Feb 5 08:31:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Which was Eric's worst? Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8A60@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Why? -----Original Message----- From: blues4jr@aol.com [mailto:blues4jr@aol.com] Sent: 05 February 2005 14:08 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Which was Eric's worst? Thought it would be interesting conversation to see which of EC's commercially released albums/CDs you think was his worst effort and why. I'll throw 3 out there. Reptile Backless There's One In Every Crowd John NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Sat Feb 5 08:36:22 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Sat Feb 5 08:36:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Only the Shadow Knows Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8A61@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Supposedly in Jimmy's house. Maybe in his garage. Most probably in the back seat of his Beetle, judging from the sound. Wonder how many aspiring young musicians you can get in the back seat of a Beetle? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: blues4jr@aol.com [mailto:blues4jr@aol.com] Sent: 05 February 2005 14:13 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Does anybody know? Does anybody know where "Bluesbreaker Sessions w/Jimmy Page" May 1965 was recorded? It's the one with Draggin My Tail, Choker, Miles Road, Snake Drive, Frieght Loader, West Coast Idea and Tribute to Elmore. It has been released under many titles. Thanks, John NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Feb 5 10:40:42 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sat Feb 5 10:40:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Does anybody know? Message-ID: <000b01c50b99$0ed81070$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Does anybody know where "Bluesbreaker Sessions w/Jimmy Page" May 1965 was >> recorded? It's the one with Draggin My Tail, Choker, Miles Road, Snake >> Drive, Frieght Loader, West Coast Idea and Tribute to Elmore. It has been >> released under many titles. << There WERE Bluesbreakers sessions in either May or most probably June 1965, with Jimmy Page producing (he didn't perform), which resulted in either 2 or 4 tracks by John Mayall And The Bluesbreakers. These tracks were recorded for Immediate Records, possibly at Olympic Sound Studios, London. 1) I'm You Witchdoctor (John Mayall); 2) Telephone Blues (John Mayall); 3) On Top Of The World (John Mayall) - This is not "Sitting On Top Of The World," but simply "On Top Of The World", which track may have been recorded in November 1965, and 4) the initial session for "Double Crossing Time" (Eric Clapton/John Mayall), also possibly recorded in November 1965. During the same period, Clapton and Page hung out together long enough to record several instrumentals, with Clapton playing lead guitar, and Page on rhythm guitar. It is not known whether these tracks were recorded after hours at the same studio as the above John Mayall And The Bluesbreakers tracks, or at Jimmy Page's parents' home, on Miles Road. The seven released tracks are: 1. Snake Drive* (E. Clapton/J. Page) (2:27) - Eric Clapton And Jimmy Page - Eric Clapton: lead guitar; Jimmy Page: rhythm guitar; Bill Wyman: bass; Chris Winters: drums. 2. Tribute To Elmore* (E. Clapton/J. Page) (2:07) - Eric Clapton And Jimmy Page - Eric Clapton: lead guitar; Jimmy Page: rhythm guitar. 3. West Coast Idea* (E. Clapton/J. Page) (2:18) - Eric Clapton - Eric Clapton: lead guitar; Mick Jagger: harmonica; Ian Stewart: piano; Bill Wyman: bass. 4. Draggin’ My Tail (E. Clapton/J. Page) (3:06) - Eric Clapton And Jimmy Page - Eric Clapton: lead guitar; Jimmy Page: rhythm guitar; Mick Jagger: harmonica; Ian Stewart: piano; Bill Wyman: bass; Chris Winters: drums. 5. Freight Loader (E. Clapton/J. Page) (2:46) - Eric Clapton And Jimmy Page - Eric Clapton: lead guitar; Jimmy Page: rhythm guitar. 6. Choker (G. Williams) (1:24) - Eric Clapton And Jimmy Page - Eric Clapton: lead guitar; Jimmy Page: rhythm guitar; Bill Wyman: bass; Chris Winters: drums. Often listed incorrectly as “Chocker.” 7. Miles Road (E. Clapton/J. Page) (2:24) - Eric Clapton And Jimmy Page - Eric Clapton: lead guitar; Jimmy Page: rhythm guitar. As can be seen above, some of the tracks were augmented with overdubs provided by several members of the Rolling Stones and others (is Chris Winters really Charlie Watts?). These overdubs were added 17 August 1965 at Olympic Sound Studios, London. Clapton believed that these were private recordings, just jamming. But somehow, Page gave the tracks to Immediate Records, who released them in 1968 on compilation albums, very much surprising and upsetting Eric Clapton. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050205/0967f72d/attachment-0001.html From iampigpen at comcast.net Sat Feb 5 11:33:15 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Sat Feb 5 11:33:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] the Paris DVD is on the way to your city! Message-ID: <02fb01c50ba0$6762ac80$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Okay, I wanted to let all the folks getting the Paris DVD to know it's in the mail today. For those interested in recieving a copy, the 3 below with addys have agreed with pleasure to help get this to those with burners and also those without. They are: Ann Kline ann.kline3@verizon.net Greg Wenker gwornex@yahoo.com John Daughtry jdaugh8@cox.net I also sent a few copies out to the fellow SD'ers that are burnerless: John Roe Norm Deane Andy Knapp Dawn Zorn S. Wallenberg Let's make this the most abundant DVD out there! (and thanks chicky-poo) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050205/9e8e59e3/attachment.html From llt58 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 5 12:23:21 2005 From: llt58 at hotmail.com (Loraine Taylor) Date: Sat Feb 5 12:25:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: "a birth has occurred" Message-ID: Honestly, people have to crab about every single subject brought up on this list - even a simple birth announcement. sheesh!! ----- original message --------------------------------- From: "Pat Toth" wrote: >Yea, now if only some others would get the hint! > >Animalman From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 5 16:31:19 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Sat Feb 5 16:31:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Everything EC Message-ID: <20050205213119.1172.qmail@web51507.mail.yahoo.com> If Eric would have had a boy (which obviously He's been shooting for) He could have named it,Ginger Jack Clapton. Of course since its a girl He could opt for Ginger Jane Clapton. On the case of what Cream would sound like,I think it will be very similar to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame show,more subdued and mellow.It won't be as raw and treblely with mountains of Marshalls stacked up. As far as setlist,I think both EC and JB will throw in one or two of their own songs. You might even see a brand new song.I think there will be a (official) release of the music and probably video also. I also predict a US tour albeit not a large one,so don't mortgage your house to go to London.I think since they are making the commitment,they might as well make it worth their while.How about a new album with new songs.I am sure there will be some pressure to,but thats why I think they will just release the live material. Reporting live from the Gibson Guitar Factory in Memphis ziggo820 P.S. Hey Geetarz is that LA thing the same as the LA rehearsals for that tour. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050205/32a0e4dd/attachment.html From stallknecht at t-online.de Sat Feb 5 18:33:21 2005 From: stallknecht at t-online.de (Christian Stallknecht) Date: Sat Feb 5 18:28:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream tickets... Message-ID: <001701c50bdb$14bbc300$ac7ba8c0@WURM> ...does anybody have two tickets left for two guys who tried 8 hours to get some? I will pay a good price and I'm NOT joking... Christian From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sat Feb 5 18:47:57 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sat Feb 5 18:47:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Only the Shadow Knows Message-ID: <20050205234757.1775.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> >> Wonder how many aspiring young musicians you can get >> in the back seat of >> a Beetle? Dunno, but there have probably been more than a few conceived there ... to "Wonderful Tonight" of course ;) AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From zetti at superig.com.br Sat Feb 5 23:40:15 2005 From: zetti at superig.com.br (Zetti) Date: Sat Feb 5 23:40:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Remastered at the RAH" on easytree In-Reply-To: <20050205170710.36EF58CD66@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050205203802.00b84cf0@pop.superig.com.br> Hi all, Damn right, you've got it : http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?returnto=%2Faccount-cp.php&id=26639 It's my second torrent and I don't know why it is still listed as "not visible" at the site, I guess I have to point people to it to force at least one person to snatch it (?).... Well, hope it works, Enjoy, Zetti Please visit my trade list at: http://www.xroads.hpg.com.br From zetti at superig.com.br Sat Feb 5 23:50:06 2005 From: zetti at superig.com.br (Zetti) Date: Sat Feb 5 23:50:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Remastered at the RAH" on easytree - correct link In-Reply-To: <20050205170710.36EF58CD66@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050205204840.00b85ec0@pop.superig.com.br> Hi all again, I think the previous link won't work, this one below might be the correct one : http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=26639 Enjoy, Zetti Please visit my trade list at: http://www.xroads.hpg.com.br From deltanick at comcast.net Sun Feb 6 12:10:33 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sun Feb 6 12:10:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EzTorrent Ain't So EZ Message-ID: <000d01c50c6e$c63560d0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> How does one join EzTorrent/EasyTree? It seems to be closed to aspiring members. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050206/08300900/attachment.html From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Sun Feb 6 12:59:14 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Sun Feb 6 12:59:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EzTorrent Ain't So EZ Message-ID: Hi everyone! I'm on the same problem than DeltaNick, how could be an Ez member ? From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Sun Feb 6 13:01:18 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Sun Feb 6 13:01:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] proof In-Reply-To: <20050205121934.C3D198D0B7@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050206130007.02e12af8@mail.clemson.edu> At 07:19 AM 2/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Here, Lucy, is a nickel on behalf of all those going. Tell us more about >what a Cream ticket holder is trying to prove. > >susan Nothing, Sugar Magnolia. Nothing at all..... The woman writer must accept the fact that her work is subversive by definition. It's more fun to be an outlaw, anyway... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050206/584f5b1c/attachment.html From jonhogna at simnet.is Sun Feb 6 13:02:06 2005 From: jonhogna at simnet.is (Jon Hognason) Date: Sun Feb 6 13:02:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD Message-ID: <7967d9a198462be9558800a4d39e474d@simnet.is> Because of AG?s generosity I can offer 5 DVD?s of the Paris Show. Jon Hognason jonhogna@simnet.is From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Sun Feb 6 13:23:56 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Sun Feb 6 13:23:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Wonderful Tonight? In a Beetle? In-Reply-To: <20050206170002.7D3238D095@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050206131851.02e490e8@mail.clemson.edu> At 12:00 PM 2/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Dunno, but there have probably been more than a few >conceived there ... to "Wonderful Tonight" of course >;) > >AG You need to get out more. Most people know how big a Beetle is (or is not), and that being said, they would know that "Wonderful Tonight" would not be the song of choice for such things. I believe "Roll it Over" would work out much more nicely. The woman writer must accept the fact that her work is subversive by definition. It's more fun to be an outlaw, anyway... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050206/fdee552c/attachment.html From mangs88 at verizon.net Sun Feb 6 14:14:37 2005 From: mangs88 at verizon.net (sam mangano) Date: Sun Feb 6 14:14:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Remastered at the RAH" on easytree - correct link References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050205204840.00b85ec0@pop.superig.com.br> Message-ID: <002401c50c80$1b457090$2d01a8c0@Family> no links will work if you are not already a member, the site has been maxed out at 100,000 users for weeks..... thanks anyways, sambo8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zetti" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:50 PM Subject: [Slowhand] "Remastered at the RAH" on easytree - correct link > Hi all again, > > I think the previous link won't work, this one below might be the correct > one : > > http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=26639 > > Enjoy, > > Zetti > > > Please visit my trade list at: > http://www.xroads.hpg.com.br > > > From edgar.martin at btinternet.com Sun Feb 6 17:32:36 2005 From: edgar.martin at btinternet.com (EDGAR MARTIN) Date: Sun Feb 6 17:32:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] What the RAH have to say about Cream tickets. Message-ID: <000801c50c9b$c2540e80$27849c51@sn010742620050> For those worried about buying tickets on ebay etc, go to http://news.bbc.co.uk and search for Tickets selling for hundreds for Cream reunion. I was very lucky last Monday morning and got two for the Tuesday night. I don't see any really good seats coming up on ebay yet. Just wondering if the better seats where ever on sale to the general public. Hope this helps. Edgar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050206/2ec64ed4/attachment.html From Paulezyrider at aol.com Mon Feb 7 12:02:22 2005 From: Paulezyrider at aol.com (Paulezyrider@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 7 12:02:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 90 Message-ID: <86.2141de05.2f38f91e@aol.com> Please....take me off slowhand mailing list,,,many thanks.......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Highly recommended! http://www.easytree.org/download.php/25171/JALC_2003_06_02.torrent Len Moskowitz Teaneck NJ USA From turbineltd at btconnect.com Mon Feb 7 12:51:14 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Mon Feb 7 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: EzTorrent Ain't So EZ (DeltaNick) Message-ID: <002701c50d3d$a1e17280$0100a8c0@dellws410> Nick & Etienne, > How does one join EzTorrent/EasyTree? It seems to be closed to aspiring members. Since Sharingthegroove, STG, folded last year, most of its members migrated to EasyTree. This imposed such a load on resources, that despite several hardware upgrades EasyTree had to admit defeat. They have capped the membership at 100k and natural wastage will allow new members to be admitted. If you are really keen to gain admittance, then a respectful letter to the admin might place you nearer the top of the queue. btadmin@easytree.org or, eztmods@easytree.org In the meantime, there are a couple of fledgling sites that have open membership, one of these, "The Trader's Den", seems to be run by some of the former moderators of STG. It is because of EazyTree's capping that I have offered to torrent the naughty Paris DVD on the other site, "Everyday Jones". http://www.thetradersden.org/ http://www.everydayjones.com/BitTorrent/ Good luck John (someone who actually has Cream tickets) From boultonaj at hotmail.com Mon Feb 7 15:04:49 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Mon Feb 7 15:05:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: What the RAH have to say about Cream tickets. Message-ID: Thanks to Edgar for that link. If anyone has any trouble finding it, it is an audio file. So the truth is, the RAH have done twice not a lot to stop the touts. And they are way off when they say "up to a thousand pounds". It is an utter disgrace to describe it as "just what the city calls a 'secondary market'". Greed, that is all it is. Why don't the artists work together to stamp this out? Do they care? Tony From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 19:43:19 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Mon Feb 7 19:43:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Do They Message-ID: <20050208004319.24888.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> >> Greed, that is all it is. Why don't the artists work >> together to stamp this >> out? Do they care? ------------ http://www.geetarz.org/sounds/cream-reunion.mp3 ;) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From janenewell at mac.com Tue Feb 8 02:32:15 2005 From: janenewell at mac.com (Jane Newell) Date: Tue Feb 8 02:32:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric at the Cardiff Tsunami Benefit Offer Message-ID: <8E2BC592-79A3-11D9-B298-000A9590B842@mac.com> Dear All, Thanks to a generous slowhander friend (DL of B!) I am lucky to have received a copy of Eric's performance at Cardiff on dvd and cd. By the end of this weekend I will have five copies of both discs - they come as a set - to send out to five people who want them. Please send your name, address and promise to pass on to five other slowhand list members if interested. All the best Jane DVD set list Jools Holland with the Rhythm and Blues Orchestra 1. Tuxedo Junction 2. Count Me In Eric Clapton 3. Reconsider Baby 4. Little Queen Of Spades 5. Willie and the Hand Jive 6. Everyday I Have The Blues 7. Love Her With A Feeling Encore All Artists 8. Shake, Rattle and Roll CD set list Jools Holland with the Rhythm and Blues Orchestra 1. Count Me In Eric Clapton 2. Reconsider Baby 3. Little Queen Of Spades 4. Willie and the Hand Jive 5. Everyday I Have The Blues 6. Love Her With A Feeling Encore All Artists 7. Shake, Rattle and Roll From whereseric at optonline.net Tue Feb 8 10:29:04 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Tue Feb 8 10:39:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Relief Auction / Eric Clapton Autographed Portrait Available Message-ID: <1015afc10165e9.10165e91015afc@optonline.net> Eric Clapton has signed a 2' x 2' portrait created by a young Welsh artist to benefit the Disaster Emergency Committee's Tsunami Earthquake Appeal. Eric's portrait, and those of other artists who participated in the benefit concert in Wales on 22 January, are being auctioned off to raise further funds. The auction is being administered by BBC-Wales. For the complete news story and links, please visit the www.whereseric.com homepage. Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From jfw at insightbb.com Tue Feb 8 12:12:27 2005 From: jfw at insightbb.com (John Whitney) Date: Tue Feb 8 12:12:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "A whole lot of money"??? Message-ID: <000b01c50e01$6248edf0$c50dca0c@VAIO> With EC's comment that a Cream get-together would make "a whole lot of money," my curiosity was piqued. The crude result is to ask here if anyone has a clue as to what each of the artists might be paid for the run at RAH. Additionally, what is EC's personal take each night when he is on tour. Finally, does anyone have a clue as to his actual method of travel, i.e., by charter jet, etc? Just a few lurking questions I don't think I have ever seen addressed. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A small sum, from touring profits, is retained by EC for purchase of work boots, kayak (no paddles necessary), Granola bars, and enough water for the trip (usually several 6-packs of Evian water). EC doesn't paddle himself, that's what Andy Fairweather Low and Fender Strats were for. However, since AFL recently left EC's employ, Lee Dickson has been complaining about sore arms. The Setlist Generator has been recently upgraded to version 2.1, which includes OnStar, which plots navigation course in maritime environments. Over land in the United States and Canada, Mark Deavult acts, from city to city, as personal pathfinder. Dickson handles this duty in Europe, and Hiroshi Fujiwara in the Pacific Rim region. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050208/274f690b/attachment.html From mal.barker at btinternet.com Tue Feb 8 13:35:20 2005 From: mal.barker at btinternet.com (Mal Barker) Date: Tue Feb 8 13:53:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Blowing The Blues" Message-ID: <000d01c50e0c$f2866ea0$e1b47ad5@Mesh2002> Has anyone managed to download this in it's entirety and would be willing to 'tree' or 'trade' the show onto 2CDs?? I managed to register with 'ezytree' just now, but the files are too large for my transfer rates to handle...(c450MB!!) Any offers much appreciated, and would gladly trade for the 2005 New Year 'Trusted Servants' show. >This recording from the June 2, 2003 benefit for Jazz At Lincoln Center at >NYC's Apollo Theater includes Eric's two songs and performances by BB King, >Willie Nelson, Ray Charles and an incredible backup band with Wynton >Marsalis conducting. Highly recommended! >http://www.easytree.org/download.php/25171/JALC_2003_06_02.torrent >Len Moskowitz >Teaneck NJ USA From Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz Tue Feb 8 14:34:27 2005 From: Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz (Duncan McKie) Date: Tue Feb 8 14:51:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] In-Print alert Message-ID: The Feb issue of the still great 'UNCUT' mag (Cover story Rolling stones/Who killed Brian Jones) has Eric related Item. Their re-issue of the month is SACD version of Layla, with a full page review,and brief (recent?) interview with Clapton. The Free CD also looks very good "Blues roots of the Stones" with Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf etc Very tasty Duncan McKie Desktop Support Infinity Solutions Ltd P O Box 2390, Wellington Ph: +64 4 471 5600, Mob: +64 27 485 3249 Fx: +64 4 472 6796 www.infinitysolutions.co.nz The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050209/4d8a89cd/attachment.html From janenewell at mac.com Tue Feb 8 16:00:29 2005 From: janenewell at mac.com (Jane Newell) Date: Tue Feb 8 16:03:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric at the Cardiff Tsunami Benefit Offer CLOSED Message-ID: <76DF835E-7A14-11D9-8ACB-000A9590B842@mac.com> Dear Folks, How quick off the mark are you?! Offer now closed, winners to be posted soon. Thanks for the interest all the best Jane From janenewell at mac.com Tue Feb 8 16:21:03 2005 From: janenewell at mac.com (Jane Newell) Date: Tue Feb 8 16:25:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric in Cardiff winners Message-ID: <5686EDF8-7A17-11D9-B438-000A9590B842@mac.com> Dear All, Look for these lovely people to re-offer soon USA James in IL Steve in NC Roy in PA Richie in NY who I believe is going to pass on the cd only EUROPE Ole in Denmark John in Belgium Garbarek in Poland Jon in Iceland and two burnerless who just get to enjoy :)) Matthew in MA Vitor in Brazil All the best Jane From iampigpen at comcast.net Tue Feb 8 17:15:13 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Tue Feb 8 17:18:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Do They References: <20050208004319.24888.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008801c50e2b$abc9aa30$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Thanks Chicky-Poo for the update. I, for one am a little suprise that EC would come out and say it. Guess he's not trying to re-live his youth after all. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almighty Geetarz" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Do They >>> Greed, that is all it is. Why don't the artists > work >> together to stamp this >>> out? Do they care? > > ------------ > > http://www.geetarz.org/sounds/cream-reunion.mp3 > > ;) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > From Slowhandnj at comcast.net Wed Feb 9 01:11:24 2005 From: Slowhandnj at comcast.net (ToeKneeF) Date: Wed Feb 9 01:05:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric Doing Ads! Message-ID: <4209A98C.8040301@comcast.net> I was flipping through the latest issue of Architectural Digest when I came across a picture of Eric standing in a garden-like setting. It was an ad for Rolex watches. Seems like his management has him capitalizing on his fame. Must be all those extra mouths he has to feed.........and lets not forget the cost of college!!!! All kidding aside, it was very tastefully done...........................T -- "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. From backlezz at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 06:55:12 2005 From: backlezz at hotmail.com (K S) Date: Wed Feb 9 06:56:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] regarding cream tickets & Paris dvd Message-ID: I've got a question for those who might have lined up for tickets outside the Albert Hall on the day of an event. It's common knowledge that tickets become available "in the last minute". Take the Concert for George as an example. Now I wonder, if this happens with the Cream dates, will returned tickets/left overs for all four dates be available on that monday? Or could it be possible to arrive tuesday (3rd) and line up for tickets that evening? This is of course pure SPECULATION but I'm thankful for every thought you might have (if you understand my question). Experiences from EC's latest runs in the RAH could be helpful. I'm very thankful to Geetarz for the Paris dvd, and now I'm offring 3 copies to the group. Please include your snail mail and state wether or not you're able to pass it on. Regards form Norway. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com Med markedets beste SPAM-filter. Gratis! From gwornex at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 11:33:30 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Wed Feb 9 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD offer Message-ID: <20050209163330.39217.qmail@web50008.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to Pat T. I can offer the Paris DVD to (3) burnerless and (3) with burners..... (It will be burned onto DVD-R media.) p.s. It is in PAL format..... Greg W. From ChucklesIV at aol.com Wed Feb 9 12:07:25 2005 From: ChucklesIV at aol.com (ChucklesIV@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 9 12:09:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 Message-ID: Greg, Bill Credo #6 Fairfield CT. Metairie LA 70001 im sorry i dont have a burner yet, but will in a bout a month and can offer it then! Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050209/6ca50a2e/attachment.html From artaarias at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 12:25:07 2005 From: artaarias at yahoo.com (Art Arias) Date: Wed Feb 9 12:25:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Life with Patti.... Message-ID: <20050209172508.74637.qmail@web21121.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.sfae.com/highlights/events/index.html http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/06/LVGODB3D4O1.DTL&type=printable __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Wed Feb 9 14:14:07 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Wed Feb 9 14:02:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "lightning in a bottle" Message-ID: <006d01c50edb$87c15bf0$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> new blues documentary produced by Martin Scorsese documenting the "Salute to the Blues" 100th anniversary event at radio city music hall in NY in 2003 - check your local artsy theaters. review at www.clevescene.com. out sambo8 ********************************************************** If Wile E Coyote had enough money to buy all that Acme crap, why didn't he just buy dinner? From sjegou at free.fr Wed Feb 9 15:53:14 2005 From: sjegou at free.fr (=?us-ascii?Q?Sebastien_JEGOU?=) Date: Wed Feb 9 15:53:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric Doing Ads! In-Reply-To: <4209A98C.8040301@comcast.net> Message-ID: Check Rolex site : http://www.rolex.com/ambassadors/arts/eric-clapton.html Sebastien -----Message d'origine----- De : ToeKneeF [mailto:Slowhandnj@comcast.net] Envoye : mercredi 9 fevrier 2005 07:11 A : Slowhand List Objet : [Slowhand] Eric Doing Ads! I was flipping through the latest issue of Architectural Digest when I came across a picture of Eric standing in a garden-like setting. It was an ad for Rolex watches. Seems like his management has him capitalizing on his fame. Must be all those extra mouths he has to feed.........and lets not forget the cost of college!!!! All kidding aside, it was very tastefully done...........................T -- "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. From gwornex at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 16:32:29 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Wed Feb 9 16:32:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer closed Paris DVD Message-ID: <20050209213229.15834.qmail@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> Offer closed on Paris DVD....winners will be notified g.w. From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 23:15:49 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Wed Feb 9 23:16:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] paris dvd on pal In-Reply-To: <20050209170002.5962E8C53A@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: How does one convert a dvd from PAL to NTSC? I am one of the burner less getting this but if its in PAL.... From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Thu Feb 10 12:26:11 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Thu Feb 10 12:13:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 94 In-Reply-To: <20050210170002.9B2D08D10E@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <009f01c50f95$9e345260$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> you won't be able to play it on a regular dvd player hooked up to a tv, but software on your computer should be able to handle it fine if you have a dvd drive..... good luck! sam -----Original Message----- From: slowhand-bounces@planet-torque.com [mailto:slowhand-bounces@planet-torque.com]On Behalf Of slowhand-request@planet-torque.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:00 PM To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 94 Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to slowhand@planet-torque.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to slowhand-request@planet-torque.com You can reach the person managing the list at slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 (ChucklesIV@aol.com) 2. Life with Patti.... (Art Arias) 3. "lightning in a bottle" (Sam Mangano) 4. RE: Eric Doing Ads! (Sebastien JEGOU) 5. offer closed Paris DVD (Greg Wenker) 6. paris dvd on pal (Apurva Parikh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:07:25 EST From: ChucklesIV@aol.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greg, Bill Credo #6 Fairfield CT. Metairie LA 70001 im sorry i dont have a burner yet, but will in a bout a month and can offer it then! Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:14:07 -0500 From: "Sam Mangano" Subject: [Slowhand] "lightning in a bottle" To: "'sd'" Message-ID: <006d01c50edb$87c15bf0$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" new blues documentary produced by Martin Scorsese documenting the "Salute to the Blues" 100th anniversary event at radio city music hall in NY in 2003 - check your local artsy theaters. review at www.clevescene.com. out sambo8 ********************************************************** If Wile E Coyote had enough money to buy all that Acme crap, why didn't he just buy dinner? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:53:14 +0100 From: Sebastien JEGOU Subject: RE: [Slowhand] Eric Doing Ads! To: "Slowhand List" , "ToeKneeF" Cc: "Snogod" , "S-Mondine" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Check Rolex site : http://www.rolex.com/ambassadors/arts/eric-clapton.html Sebastien -----Message d'origine----- De : ToeKneeF [mailto:Slowhandnj@comcast.net] Envoye : mercredi 9 fevrier 2005 07:11 A : Slowhand List Objet : [Slowhand] Eric Doing Ads! I was flipping through the latest issue of Architectural Digest when I came across a picture of Eric standing in a garden-like setting. It was an ad for Rolex watches. Seems like his management has him capitalizing on his fame. Must be all those extra mouths he has to feed.........and lets not forget the cost of college!!!! All kidding aside, it was very tastefully done...........................T -- "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Wenker Subject: [Slowhand] offer closed Paris DVD To: slowhand Message-ID: <20050209213229.15834.qmail@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Offer closed on Paris DVD....winners will be notified g.w. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:15:49 -0600 From: "Apurva Parikh" Subject: [Slowhand] paris dvd on pal To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed How does one convert a dvd from PAL to NTSC? I am one of the burner less getting this but if its in PAL.... ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Slowhand mailing list Slowhand@planet-torque.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand End of Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 94 *************************************** From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 12:35:30 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Feb 10 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD Offer - NTSC Message-ID: <20050210173530.67921.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> I have a confession to make to the group. I promised to send out 25 copies of the PAL version of this DVD to be distributed - I did not. I hang my head in shame. Instead, I've sent out almost 40 Hopefully our French taper friend is dealing well with the grief and horror caused by the fact that so many EC fans are able to enjoy this show. It's terrible, I know, so one hopes he copes well. Now, to add to this awful ordeal, I am pleased to announce that the NTSC conversion is finished and copies go out tomorrow for distribution to DeltaNick, Sambo#8, Superbike Dan, and DVD Jon. I will leave further fun in their hands, they will reoffer as they can. This NTSC version is compatible with players in North America and Japan. It's a really nice DVD - enjoy !!! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 12:57:17 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Feb 10 12:57:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Gap Wars II: Attack of the Standalone DVD Message-ID: <20050210175718.23065.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> For those of you on the distibution lists for several DVDs, including the Hidden Image release of the June 15 Sunrise show, and the incredible Scratchmonkey release of the July 12 Columbus show, beware of boneheads with standalone recorders who are duplicating these shows via analog resulting in poor quality copies as well as the loss of menus, audio options, chapter points, etc. If you get either of these shows without the menus, you've been taken and should toss the disc in the dustbin and demand an actual copy. As with the "gap" issue, if everyone took a stand the problem would soon cease to exist as the troublemakers would either straighten up or find another hobby. Please note that any time I advocate tossing a disc in the trash, invariably someone complains that these discs should go to the burnerless. I disagree - the burnerless are entitled to the same quality as everyone else, and good grief, with burners and blanks so inexpensive, there's no excuse for not making accurate copies. Especially as DVD copying is such a simple task, unlike CD-Audio copies, and is "one click" easy. It's a shame for an author to spend hours to author a nice DVD and to see someone throw it all away with the toss of a button. I would expect that a number of people do not even know they have inferior copies of these release. You can check your copy against these screen captures: http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/2004-06-15-sunrise-dvd-hi.htm http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/2004-07-12-columbus-dvd.htm I am reasonably certain that the Washington 6/21 and San Jose 7/31 shows were not authored with menus etc. But this one is still under investigation. I'll post more information if/when it becomes available. In the meantime, enjoy the Paris DVD! More fun to come ... Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 13:08:13 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Feb 10 13:08:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Ads Message-ID: <20050210180813.40231.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> Interesting that EC is endorsing Rolex. Has he done an official deal before? About time he got paid, as he's been an "unofficial" endorser since the 60s ! Of course EC has done his share of advertisements before. Here are a few tastes: This one accurately reflects his playing ... http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1998-lexus-pilgrim-tour-ad.wmv But this is the bizarre one. I just found this, does anyone have an idea when it aired ??? http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/cable-ad.wmv More to come ... Cheers, AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pmclaughlin at ingenuity.ca Thu Feb 10 13:46:30 2005 From: pmclaughlin at ingenuity.ca (Phil McLaughlin) Date: Thu Feb 10 13:47:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Paris DVD References: <20050210170740.7424F8D400@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <001601c50fa0$d6148460$6c274518@STUDENT> Any chance I could get in on the Paris DVD from any lucky member who happened to get the show through the slowhand digest? Thanks p.m. From macca461 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 18:13:27 2005 From: macca461 at hotmail.com (Jon Maclean) Date: Thu Feb 10 18:14:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Record company backwater In-Reply-To: <20050210170740.AE4E28D428@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: To those in Australia and probably New Zealand who were wondering if "Sessions For Robert J" (DVD/CD pack) would ever be released Downunder, the time is nigh; Feb 14 is apparently the day. The "Crossroads Guitar Festival" DVD set was released here on January 24, and is charting well nationally (ARIA #7 on Music DVD chart this week). However, it has been a long wait. The former was released in the States on December 7, and the latter on November 9. With local record companies treating consumers with such open contempt by delaying release dates out here, it is little wonder they fear for the future, and I find it difficult to have any sympathy for their plight. Cheers, Jon From blues4jr at aol.com Thu Feb 10 19:46:56 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 10 19:47:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Bercy 4/6/04 offer and opinion Message-ID: <44A54CAE.3F756400.00955D93@aol.com> Thanks to my old buddy Pat, I now have a copy of the 4/6/04 Bercy DVD and will send a copy to the first 3 that e-mail me. Opinion - nice clear video for an audience recording. Only about an hour long with various fade effects between songs. Not the full show. Eric is definatly on, taking us to the edge during several solos. Some nice trading between EC and Randolph during Sunshine. Problem (if you really want to call it a problem) is that EC just takes us to the edge and not over it. John Roe From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 20:55:47 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Feb 10 20:55:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cream and Greed Message-ID: <20050211015547.15583.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> I was wondering how many people would pick up on EC's cream reunion comment that I posted the other day. Guess it's time to reveal now that the clip came from ... 1993! Honestly, I don't think EC is in it for the money. Number one, if that was his motivation, he would have done it long ago. And secondly, he can record, perform, and tour on his own and be quite successful, without splitting the take three ways. I'm not saying the paycheck won't be nice, but I don't see that being the main draw here. In just three months, we will know ... Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 00:09:50 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Fri Feb 11 00:09:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Ads on TV ... Message-ID: <20050211050950.86103.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Found another one I had forgotten about : http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1990-honda-japan-ad.wmv Someone told me this was the last time EC played Blackie at a recording session - surely a fascinating way to compare the sound of the very different vintage strat versus the EC Signature strat. Can anyone verify the information about Blackie? It's also interesting to hear EC double his guitar lines like something one would more likely hear on an Allman Brothers record (album, cd, whatever). I wish he'd do more of this sort of thing. Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From g.reen at comcast.net Fri Feb 11 01:45:48 2005 From: g.reen at comcast.net (Green) Date: Fri Feb 11 01:45:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "But I was a kid. only personality I had was within my fingers. I could play it, but I couldn't say it." Message-ID: <20050211064546.A49888CCF3@six.pairlist.net> Crossroads Michael Schumacher P.328 "Cream Reflections" "Clapton taps the musical wellspring that has sustained him for than three decades," Rolling Stone applauded in a four-star review. "I'll be a story you've heard parts of before, but it's compelling nonetheless and this collection tells it with insight and flair." That same year, Polydor issued a deluxe two-CD thirtieth anniversary edition of Blind Faith, containing the digitally remastered 1969 album and nine tracks absent from the original recording. Compared to Blues, album was much less successful. The best of the outtakes-an electric sion of "Can't Find My Way Home" and a robust reworking of Myers' "Sleeping in the Ground"-had already appeared, respective the Steve Winwood and Eric Clapton boxed sets, and the other studio material and jam sessions, while perhaps of some interest to die-hards completists, had little to offer other than occasional flashes of instrumental brilliance and a glimpse into the super-group's futile struggle to find identity as a unit. Clapton cringed when he listened to the new recording. The work minded him, as if he could ever forget, of the extended guitar solos he'd grown to dislike. "At the time, I thought these were magnificent things we were doing, just jamming away," he conceded. "But I was a kid. only personality I had was within my fingers. I could play it, but I couldn't say it." This, by now, was a familiar refrain, regularly employed by Clapton ward off fans and critics who claimed he'd gone soft, who were always clamoring for the Eric Clapton of old. He wasn't keen on listening to old work, he'd argue, but when he did hear an old Cream or John Mayall number, he would weigh the maturity informing his later work against the passion that fueled his youthful days. "I hear the fire," he said of his earlier recordings, "but I'm embarrassed by the clumsiness-the ego that surrounds it. I'm more comfortable listening to something contemporary of mine that doesn't have the fire but has more self-awareness." Best Don Green Seattle Cream Fan From trevork1 at iinet.net.au Fri Feb 11 04:43:56 2005 From: trevork1 at iinet.net.au (Trevor) Date: Fri Feb 11 04:44:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re-EC Ads on TV Message-ID: <000001c5101e$38076840$59d03bcb@xp> I have read the following information-Blackie was also brought out on stage for one number during the 1991 Royal Albert Hall shows. Can anyone verify this and which show was it. Is there any video footage of that show? It may well have been for "Bad Love" Another one from Oz looking for Cream tickets Trevor Kempin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050211/c643bab0/attachment.html From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 11 05:28:07 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (simon george) Date: Fri Feb 11 05:28:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric Doing Ads! References: Message-ID: <002601c51024$61569b20$6d29ff3e@MAIN> I saw a Rolex ad a few months ago with Eric playing one of the Crash strats, with a black background and just a glimpse of a drumkit behind, it was in the Daily Telegraph, the same thought about his motivation also crossed my mind, along with the thought that there is a new model of Ferrari due out soon! Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien JEGOU" To: "Slowhand List" ; "ToeKneeF" Cc: "Snogod" ; "S-Mondine" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [Slowhand] Eric Doing Ads! > Check Rolex site : http://www.rolex.com/ambassadors/arts/eric-clapton.html > > Sebastien > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : ToeKneeF [mailto:Slowhandnj@comcast.net] > Envoye : mercredi 9 fevrier 2005 07:11 > A : Slowhand List > Objet : [Slowhand] Eric Doing Ads! > > > I was flipping through the latest issue of Architectural Digest when I > came across a picture of Eric standing in a garden-like setting. It > was an ad for Rolex watches. Seems like his management has him > capitalizing on his fame. Must be all those extra mouths he has to > feed.........and lets not forget the cost of college!!!! All kidding > aside, it was very tastefully done...........................T > > -- > > "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." > The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of > Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's > Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. > > > > From rene.aagaard at get2net.dk Fri Feb 11 06:01:17 2005 From: rene.aagaard at get2net.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Aagaard?=) Date: Fri Feb 11 06:02:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fw: Cardiff Tsunami DVD Message-ID: <002b01c51029$229a0570$44ca4f3e@computernavnet> Hi Guys and dolls! Thanks to dear Matt in good ol' England, I can offer a free copy of the Cardiff Tsunami Show to 5 Slowhanders. The first five mailing me with Cardiff Tsunami DVD in the subject line will get a copy. All you US pals beware it's a PAL copy. all the best Ren? Denmark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050211/3c559b7b/attachment.html From whereseric at optonline.net Fri Feb 11 07:26:42 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Fri Feb 11 07:26:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC to perform during week of Teenage Cancer Trust Concerts at RAH Message-ID: <106c56a106f676.106f676106c56a@optonline.net> A week of fund-raising concerts at the Royal Albert Hall has been announced including a UB40 concert on Friday 8th April with guests including Eric Clapton & Roger Daltrey. Tickets on sale today! Complete details on www.whereseric.com Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From blues4jr at aol.com Fri Feb 11 07:32:39 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 11 07:32:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Bercy offer results Message-ID: <758FC81B.7C2252A0.00955D93@aol.com> I will be sending a copy of the Bercy 2004 DVD to: Eric - Illinois Bernd - Berlin Peter - Austria Enjoy...and share the music. John From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Fri Feb 11 11:33:21 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Fri Feb 11 11:33:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] No Retiring at the RAH--May 8, 10, 11 Message-ID: Hi, I'm still looking to trade for copies of the May 8th, 10th and 11th 04 RAH shows, Mid Valley version. Best, Ken From quadzila at optonline.net Fri Feb 11 12:03:52 2005 From: quadzila at optonline.net (Dan) Date: Fri Feb 11 12:05:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC and Grandmum Message-ID: <00c601c5105b$a9ea4c60$3ff75643@cv320450a> For those interested, there's a pic of a young EC and his "grandmum" in the current issue of Life. Part of their rock stars and their parents article. The pic of Slash is pretty comical, had even bigger hair as a tyke than he does in adult years. Dan Quadzila@optonline.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20050211194410.47640.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Nice captures AG! Do you have the ones for SBC Yahoo!? They're pretty funny and worth keeping as well. If you do, how about sharing them as well. GT Original message: Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:09:50 -0800 (PST) From: Almighty Geetarz Subject: [Slowhand] EC Ads on TV ... To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Message-ID: <20050211050950.86103.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Found another one I had forgotten about : http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1990-honda-japan-ad.wmv Someone told me this was the last time EC played Blackie at a recording session - surely a fascinating way to compare the sound of the very different vintage strat versus the EC Signature strat. Can anyone verify the information about Blackie? It's also interesting to hear EC double his guitar lines like something one would more likely hear on an Allman Brothers record (album, cd, whatever). I wish he'd do more of this sort of thing. Cheers, AG --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050211/113cea49/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Fri Feb 11 15:53:48 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Fri Feb 11 15:54:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC to perform during week of Teenage Cancer TrustConcerts at RAH Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8CB8@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Aaah, now we're gonna get "Bottle of Red Red Wine". Kevin -----Original Message----- From: whereseric@optonline.net [mailto:whereseric@optonline.net] Sent: 11 February 2005 14:27 To: Slowhand Digest Subject: [Slowhand] EC to perform during week of Teenage Cancer TrustConcerts at RAH A week of fund-raising concerts at the Royal Albert Hall has been announced including a UB40 concert on Friday 8th April with guests including Eric Clapton & Roger Daltrey. Tickets on sale today! Complete details on www.whereseric.com Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 17:53:36 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Fri Feb 11 17:53:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Dave Mason's "Alone Together"? Message-ID: <20050211225336.68749.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I've always liked the Dave Mason album "Alone Together" but never thought that EC played on it. His guest appearances from that era seem quite well known now (e.g. "While My Guitar...") so I was surprised at what the Amazon reviewer wrote below. It does not sound like EC to me. Any thoughts, folks? Richard "Taped safely in a box is my copy of the original issue of this classic; you know, the one that folds out numerous times to make about four feet of album cover that proudly holds what many of us in 1970 called 'The *Barf* Album'! (Others here called it the 'marble' album.) Blue Thumb, the original label, put a lot into this album and it didn't end with the cover (second only to the cover of the first edition issue of Small Faces 'Ogden Nut Gone Flake.') The music here is one of the true artistic masterpieces from the era. Imagine a line-up that includes some of the top names of the period -- 'World In Changes' organ work by Billy Preston is exquisite even today; racing like he never played anywhere else on any of his numerous projects. And Jim Gordon (Derek & Dominoes, et al) is brilliant on the drums. Carl Radle (Derek, Delaney & Bonnie, et al) is magnificent on the bass. Leon Russell adds piano in much of the album and is at his peak. Hey, when you're playing alongside guys of this calibre, you better be! Then throw in Jim Capaldi and Stevie Winwood (Traffic) on some songs. They play with a disciplined yet fiery style that was better than most anything they ever did in Traffic. Add probably the finest Eric Clapton lead solo of all time (every bit as sweet as his playing on the Beatles 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps') at the end of 'Look at Me, Look at You.' This little-known Clapton masterpiece was recorded during the time when labels didn't like to share their artists with other labels. So, just as Clapton wasn't credited for 'My Guitar...' and George Harrison became 'l'Angelo Mysterioso' for his favor-returning appearance with Cream on 'Badge' -- most never knew that Clapton graced this one with some awesome work. The best way to think about this one is to think of Traffic, Derek and the Dominoes, Joe Cocker Band, Clapton and some of the other brilliant musicians hereon all playing better than they ever did anywhere else. This is Dave's best album by far! It was simply too good for the radio, though it did get a lot of airtime, -- but as was always the case back then -- on the less brilliant cuts. Buy this one for Clapton's end solo alone! It's as good as *anything* he's ever played before or since! You'll find it tucked away at the half-time end-piece of "Look at Me" and all the musicians in attendence know what's happening and play the piece with all the dignity and awe that it deserves. It doesn't come any more brilliant than this, kiddies (and aging kiddies!). Thanks Dave for making this one -- thirty years later and I'm still blown away by this one!" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 20:52:06 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Feb 11 20:52:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] THAT note... Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050211175213f18236@mail.gmail.com> AG, >Found another one I had forgotten about : >http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1990-honda-japan-ad.wmv SUPERB treat, thanks a lot. Someone I know would bite his elbows to watch this!! ;). Really took quite a while to recover from :). >sound of the very different vintage >strat versus the EC Signature strat. definitely, old number 1 always ROCKS, and it shows. >It's also interesting to hear EC double his guitar >lines like something one would more likely hear on an >Allman Brothers record (album, cd, whatever). I wish >he'd do more of this sort of thing. Overdubs here are just thrilling, and I agree the following "straight" albums have been missing that kind of stuff quite a lot, even when undergoing pretty massive production work. There's ONE "unusual" note near the end in the final "solo contest" that got me on my knees ;). Worth careful listening by itself. Unedited studio recordings Eric is used to these days are more than precious, but I hope he's not dismissing such rich overphrasing for good. Cheers Gaetano From backlezz at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 06:48:42 2005 From: backlezz at hotmail.com (K S) Date: Sat Feb 12 06:49:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris dvd offer closed Message-ID: The dvd will go out to: Peter Meier Kristian Mykleset Andreas Smith Have a nice weekend everyone _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger http://www.msn.no/computing/messenger - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner From joetoomey at eircom.net Sat Feb 12 07:44:53 2005 From: joetoomey at eircom.net (Joe Toomey) Date: Sat Feb 12 07:45:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream tickets from RAH Message-ID: <000b01c51100$a71dafe0$ed4d869f@Toomeyhome> Hi all I noticed some posts recently on the subject of Cream tickets suggestin gthey had secured tickets diredt from the RAH box office. Was this a mistake? I ask as their site has express messages sayingn no Cream tickets were available at their site. ttfn Joe Toomey Mob +353 87 6684265 From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sat Feb 12 12:49:35 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sat Feb 12 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Ads References: <20050211050950.86103.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03e001c5112b$38f407f0$fa8b29d8@Kelly> Great ads. The honda and lexus ads are great to see. Thanks for posting AG. Kelly ---------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almighty Geetarz" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: [Slowhand] EC Ads on TV ... > Found another one I had forgotten about : > > http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/video/1990-honda-japan-ad.wmv > > Someone told me this was the last time EC played > Blackie at a recording session - surely a fascinating > way to compare the sound of the very different vintage > strat versus the EC Signature strat. Can anyone verify > the information about Blackie? > > It's also interesting to hear EC double his guitar > lines like something one would more likely hear on an > Allman Brothers record (album, cd, whatever). I wish > he'd do more of this sort of thing. > > Cheers, > AG > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Feb 12 23:10:52 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sat Feb 12 23:10:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: "I could play it, but I couldn't say it." Message-ID: <003301c51182$03b3c1a0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> "Only personality I had was within my fingers. I could play it, but I >> couldn't say it." << Eric: It's your fingers that made you who you are, not your "maturity." I'd rather hear you play it than say it ... ANY day of the week. >> [W]hen he did hear an old Cream or John Mayall number, he would weigh the >> maturity informing his later work against the passion that fueled his >> youthful days. << Passion vs. maturity: Hmm, I'm 55. I think I'll take the "passion," and pass on the "maturity," ANY day. I'm glad I still have MY passion. >> "I hear the fire," he said of his earlier recordings, "but I'm >> embarrassed by the clumsiness-the ego that surrounds it. << Embarrassed by the ego? Too bad. Ego = "Hidewaway" on "Beano." "Maturity" = "Hideaway" on John Mayall's "70th Birthday Concert." Sounds to my ears like ego = passion. But maturity = maturity. This, folks, is a no-brainer. Since Eric Clapton was always so immature, it sounds like he's perfectly happy becoming a "mature" Senior Citizen. Had he grown up when he should have -- as most of us do -- he might have appreciated his youth and his passion. He might have realized that it's his ego -- his passion -- that made him a star. Next time he goes to Denny's, give him a discount. But don't expect much passion in return. He'd rather be "mature." DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Clapton has had the strenght to go against the will of his most conservative fans and "music critics". He has had lots of abuse thrown on him because of that, but he has still succeeded. And that's what makes him one of the most significant artists of our time. This is just my humble opinion, but I quess this opinion is shared by many slowhanders. Keep on growin' and maturing Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One person, to the horror of the several hundred of us in attendance, replied that "he writes pretty well, but he uses an awful lot of cliches" - completely of course missing the point that The Bard was in fact responsible for writing those bits which have since become "cliches". I would respectfully suggest that if EC's earlier work sounds "cliched" to anyone ... the reasons for this are quite similar to those related above ;) Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From blues4jr at aol.com Sun Feb 13 15:08:01 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 15:08:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Olli's comment on DeltaNick Message-ID: <4F1CC234.02E74545.00955D93@aol.com> I would like Olli to explain and provide examples of how Eric Clapton's soloing in the 1960's were cliche-ridden... John From SteveH1007 at aol.com Sun Feb 13 16:18:08 2005 From: SteveH1007 at aol.com (SteveH1007@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 16:18:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] World tour dvd any offers ? Message-ID: Hi gang wasnt fortunate enough to get Cream ticket but got to Cardiff fro Tsunami gig. Also got 2 tickets for the UB40 gig in April. Has anyone got a dvd of decent quality of the last tour incl all the RJ tracks please anywhere at all?? Will pay for expenses postage etc Have the dvd that comes with cd but the actual tour would be great !! offlist please to _SteveH1007@aol.com_ (mailto:SteveH1007@aol.com) thanks !! Steve Hayes Walthamstow, London -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050213/0651c9d8/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Sun Feb 13 16:39:07 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Sun Feb 13 16:39:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Dave Mason's "Alone Together"? Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8CCE@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Another apparent session of EC at that time is he and Dave Mason's contribution to a studio version of "Only You Know and I Know" for Delaney & Bonnie and Friends on their sixth album "D & B Together". The album was originally released around 1972 and the recording date of the track is identified in the liner notes as 1971. I bought the CD re-release for "Groupie (Superstar", the B-side of "Comin' Home". "Comin' Home" is on the Crossroads box-set. EC's playing on "Groupie (Superstar)" is for diehard collectors, though interestingly enough it may be the first session EC did where he only adds in fills here and there. It fits well with his 1975 - 1982 session work. Neither here, nor there. Now to solve the riddle of whether Eric is on "Only You Know and I Know": >From the liner notes by Greg Martin, The Kentucky Headhunters: >From Delaney's double-tracked open-F acoustic guitar intro on "Only You Know and I Know", the album kicks into high gear. It was written by Traffic member Dave Mason, who had previously released it on his 1970 album "Alone Together". Both Delaney & Bonnie worked on the "Alone Together" sessions. As Delaney explains, "It was presented to me as a ballad. Something hit me about it, I don't know what it was - something about the song drove me nuts. I thought, 'This song doesn't need to be a ballad, it needs to be raised up a dab'. That's when I came up with the intro. I knew it was a hit when I cut the song." The "D & B Together" version includes Dave Mason and Eric Clapton on guitars and violin work by an unknown that Delaney literally found on the street. According to Delaney, I found this boy outside the studio with a fiddle case, starving to death, trying to hitchhike home. I said, 'Can you play that thing?' He said to me, 'I'm the best you ever heard.'........... Later again in the liner notes by Greg Martin, re: "Comin' Home": Written by Bonnie, Delaney (not true - Bonnie is credited, not Delaney) and Eric Clapton and released as a single in 1970, "Comin' Home" features some strong interplay between Delaney, Eric Clapton and Dave Mason. "It was recorded at A & M Studios in Hollywood," Delaney says, "After take one I said, 'Take a break,' then I went outside of the studio, that's when I found the boy fiddle player." Later again in the liner notes by Greg Martin, re: "Groupie (Superstar)": "Groupie (Superstar)" was written by the Bramletts (not true - Bonnie is again credited, not Delaney) and Leon Russell for a group of kids (mmmm, wonder what the writer classifies as "kids"?) that would follow them from gig to gig. Bonnie turns in a heart-wrenched vocal on "D & B Together". This song features Eric Clapton on guitar and an unknown violin player whom Delaney found on the street......... Back to whether EC is on "Only You Know and I Know": 1. The double-tracked acoustic guitar (of Delaney) mentioned earlier is very audible. 2. If there are electric guitars, then they are part of the very tight multi-instrumental rhythm section. 3. We know why there is no violin on "Comin' Home". There is a violin present on both "Groupie (Superstar)" and "Only You Know and I Know". Considering that "Groupie (Superstar)" was recorded in late 1969 and the other track in 1971, wouldn't 2 years have been enough time for Delaney to have learnt the name of the street violinist. Draw your own conclusions. Mine is that EC could very well be on the "Only You Know and I Know" studio track, which must then have been recorded in 1969 at the session for the other 2 numbers (between 27 Sep and 10 Oct 1969 - according to Marc Roberty's Eric Clapton: The Complete Recording Sessions. By 1971, the D & B rhythm section was scattered, partly to a then already disintegrating Derek & the Dominos. BTW, Delaney & Bonnie must have had something to attract the likes of EC, Dave Mason, George Harrison, et al. There's even a picture in the liner notes of Jimi Hendrix jamming with Delaney, with Carl Radle on bass. Wonder where Eric was at the time? After all, he's mentioned at every opportunity in the liner notes. Finally, after all these years, the only thing I remember about the movie "Vanishing Point" is an appearance by Delaney & Bonnie and Friends. My surprise at seeing them in the movie was equaled by my disappointment that EC was not part of the group at the time. The liner notes of "D & B Together" actually lists all who appeared with them in their cameo appearance in the movie. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Richard Batty [mailto:richardtcbatty@yahoo.com] Sent: 12 February 2005 00:54 To: Slowhand Digest (E-mail) Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Dave Mason's "Alone Together"? I've always liked the Dave Mason album "Alone Together" .... NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From pmclaughlin at ingenuity.ca Mon Feb 14 03:24:17 2005 From: pmclaughlin at ingenuity.ca (Phil McLaughlin) Date: Mon Feb 14 03:26:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pics for DVD Artwork! References: <20050212170002.8F8998C6CE@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <000e01c5126e$939c6550$6c274518@STUDENT> Hey, I've traded and collected audio shows for a long time, but only with the purchase of my new comp a lil wihle ago did I get into DVD trading (it came with a DVD burner). Anyway, im finding that a bunch of common clapton bootleg DVD's either dont have any artwork, or I simply cant find it anywhere. So i've been making my artwork. I like to think they're pretty good considering. Anyways my problem is finding more quality clapton pics to use in my artowork. I usually use screen caps from the DVD's themselves, but in addition to that, if anyone knows of places where I can find great clapton pics, please let me know. Cheers, Audiophil From dustyvalentino at hotmail.com Mon Feb 14 06:32:54 2005 From: dustyvalentino at hotmail.com (Dusty Valentino) Date: Mon Feb 14 06:33:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fw: Cardiff Tsunami DVD Message-ID: >From: René Aagaard To: > Subject: [Slowhand] Fw: Cardiff Tsunami DVD >Sent: 11 February 2005 11:01:17 >Hi Guys and dolls! >Thanks to dear Matt in good ol' England, I can offer a free copy of the >Cardiff Tsunami Show to 5 >Slowhanders. Hey Rene, I am in SCOTLAND thank you very much, which most definitely is NOT England. I want my DVD back! From stingle at visi.com Mon Feb 14 07:31:36 2005 From: stingle at visi.com (stingle@visi.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 07:31:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD Message-ID: <0b40007e06091c8542901437b043e45c@visi.com> I want to offer 5 copies of the Geetarz Paris 2004 DVD. This is the PAL version and it will be burned on DVD-R. Bruce From ollio at mbnet.fi Mon Feb 14 11:01:02 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (Olli Oksala) Date: Mon Feb 14 11:01:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cliche or not Message-ID: <3131.217.152.29.86.1108396862.squirrel@webmail.mbnet.fi> Hi all, My English is unfortunately so bad, that usually my messages are widely misunderstood. When talkin about cliche ridden Clapton in the days of the Holy Trinity of Cream, I was referring to a certain Rolling Stone article. This review (by Jan Wenner, if I remember right) called Eric Clapton A Master of Cliche among the blues guitarist and effectively was one major reason for Cream's break-up. Clapton was shocked and his God-status was shattered permanently, but later EC has agreed, that Wenner had a point. If you listen to concert bootlegs from Cream, you can hear lots of phrases (maybe you can call them cliches), that tend to be quite repetative in Clapton's playing at that time. I love his playing in those days, so brave, agressive and sometimes beautiful. BUT, I love him more for changing, because that's when he showed real courage and destination and made it possible for me to follow his music for decades. I've wouldn't have listened to just a blues guitarist for this time. He is one of the few artists from the 60's whose still interesting. Mostly bands and artists from that era are playing their 60's hits in a pityful way. Well, this is just my small opinion, but maybe shared by some. Keep on growin' and maturing Olli From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Mon Feb 14 11:35:52 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Mon Feb 14 11:40:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Mature? In-Reply-To: <20050213170004.42A308C595@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050214112904.03806008@mail.clemson.edu> At 12:00 PM 2/13/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Had he grown up when he should have -- as most of us do -- he might have >appreciated his youth and his passion. He might have realized that it's his >ego -- his passion -- that made him a star. ********************************************************************************** And you think you are [mature] by bleating out some ridiculous character assassination on something you may not have any idea about? Let me guess....did you just start Psych 101 this semester? His ego or passion may have made him a star, but it's his maturity that keeps it burning. Remember--ego and passion made Britney Spears a star, too...... And well said Olli-- Clapton has had the strenght to go against the will of his most conservative fans and "music critics". And it looks like a few on this board, too...it's ok...you can say Delta out loud..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050214/dc857524/attachment-0001.html From Lefffe at aol.com Mon Feb 14 13:38:46 2005 From: Lefffe at aol.com (Lefffe@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 13:38:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD Message-ID: <60.4f4be506.2f424a36@aol.com> interested by paris dvd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050214/5398fb3f/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Mon Feb 14 16:29:48 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:30:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Olli's comment on DeltaNick Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8D24@sunwex01.arivia.kom> I can site an example - one of the Cream bootlegs that did the rounds a year or two ago. On most of the tracks Eric included the changes that go to make up "Cat's Squirrel". Think it was from "Final US Tour". Don't feel up to checking - a bit tedious working through the Cream live stuff. Only live Cream things I really enjoy are "Spoonful", where for the most part he at least leads things, "Sleepy Time Time", which is a jacked up kick-ass version of a good studio effort, "Tales of Brave Ulysses", once he realises it's time to stop rocking the wah-wah pedal and start playing the guitar, and of course "Crossroads", which he tends to criticize more than acknowledge for its brilliance. "Politician" either suffers from lack of effort in the solo on one recording or lack of group performance on another. "Sitting on Top of the World", along with "I'm So Glad" have a weak whistle-like guitar tone, which detracts attention from the performance. "Sweet Wine", "NSU" and "I'm So Glad" sound like struggles by Eric to keep up with his power-pumping peers Jack and Ginger. I enjoy the standard encore of "Sunshine of Your Love" as done today immensely more than when Cream did it live. Other shorter versions of live tracks, such as "White Room" sound like he had bubblegum stuck under his shoe on the wah-wah pedal. And these are only the "Live Cream Vol. II", "Wheels of Fire" and "Goodbye" efforts. Now that I think about it, "Steppin' Out" live is simply an exercise in volume control. Extremely repetitive and I do dare say clich?-ridden. I truly hope that the May 2005 shows are not simply the 3 musicians. I doubt if the music will have enough backbone under such circumstances. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: blues4jr@aol.com [mailto:blues4jr@aol.com] Sent: 13 February 2005 22:08 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Olli's comment on DeltaNick I would like Olli to explain and provide examples of how Eric Clapton's soloing in the 1960's were cliche-ridden... John NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Mon Feb 14 16:31:58 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:32:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hello, Eelco! Message-ID: Just need to tell Eelco that I've lost his email address, and could he please email me. Thanks. Best, Ken From jbm90501 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 17:35:38 2005 From: jbm90501 at yahoo.com (James Fox) Date: Mon Feb 14 17:35:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on Dave Mason's "Alone Together"? Message-ID: <20050214223538.31810.qmail@web53102.mail.yahoo.com> With all respects to those involved with the written "notes", there's no way you could convince me that Eric played that lead line on "Alone Together". I wasn't there so take this as an educated guess. I've listened to that release alot since it first came out & have heard Mason's playing on many other recordings & live & that lead line has elements of Dave's tone & phrasing all through it. - Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From blues4jr at aol.com Mon Feb 14 17:52:25 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 17:52:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Olli's comment on DeltaNick Message-ID: <440867E8.5C0C8AE9.00955D93@aol.com> We all have different tastes and perspectives on music. What you have to keep telling yourself is that we are talking about the early to mid-1960's (1964-1968). What Clapton did with John Mayall and Cream was special AND revolutionary. Although my favorite EC era was the Derek & the Dominos years, I can realize that what he did earlier was more important to the history and evolution of rock music. Just a difference of opinion - I do not see/hear what EC played then as "cliche-ridden". John From Cobhome at aol.com Mon Feb 14 19:13:33 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 19:13:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Maturity Message-ID: than in the sixties, = when he was just too often showing off his guitar-skills in 20 minute = cliche-ridden solos. I beg to differ - - I defy you to listen to Derek and the Dominoes Live at the Fillmore - and say that is cliche ridden - yes - some nights on the constant grind of touring - Cream was not so terribbly impressive - but - EC did not make his reputation cause he was a cliche ridden hack as a youth - I simply do not understand how you can say that - EDc had the courage to leave = the naive guitar-god genre, just at the time when the genre had become a = joke I don't know if that was so much courage as a smart career move - LOL - EC's dismissal of the guitar god genre - occurred while he was so enthusiastic about The Band - if EC had persisted in maintaining the guitar god - 20 minute solo etc image - he would not be around now - and I think he was intelligent and mature enough to realize that - and grow and adapt as a musician - . . He has had lots of abuse thrown = on him because of that, but he has still succeeded. And that's what = makes him one of the most significant artists of our time. Without EC's early work -he would not be considered to be so significant - this is not to condemn his whole body of work - I enjoy his music enourmously - but it is as silly to dismiss his earlier work as it is to dismiss his current work - I think you underestimate the extent to which the guitar vocabulary EC used in the 60's and 70's has been incorporated into what you hear everday now - hence the notion that his early work was cliche - at the time - it was amazing and innovative - but - since everyone else has imitated it since - it may seem cliche now - . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050214/afa5b7be/attachment.html From axonjaxon1950 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 20:54:25 2005 From: axonjaxon1950 at yahoo.com (jim jackson) Date: Mon Feb 14 20:54:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pattie Boyd Photography Exhibit Message-ID: <20050215015426.82446.qmail@web50707.mail.yahoo.com> Valentine’s Day, February 14, 2005, San Francisco, California Always the romantic, I decided to stay away from the chocolate's and roses and instead take my Layla to the premiere of Pattie Boyd’s first-ever exhibition of her photographs at the San Francisco Art Exchange. Pattie Boyd, a.k.a. Pattie Harrison, a.k.a. Pattie Clapton, a.k.a. Layla, in her debut public exhibition, shows some very distinctive work that she has done over the past few decades of not only George Harrison and the Beatles but Eric Clapton and a whole host of rock’s icons. Her exhibit also includes various studies of beach scenes, still life’s, street scenes and a self-portrait. Although I do not consider her work creative and even a bit raw (she has a major photographic flaw in that her horizons are unintentionally crooked!) but they are remarkable nonetheless simply because of the historical capture of these icons. My favorite is a photo of Eric Clapton in his green Lancia and wonderful, black-and-white study of George Harrison in the snow. Prices of the works range from $1,250 to $3,500, a fair price for a work of this nature but too steep for my pocketbook. Instead, my Layla and I ate a nice lunch at the Cliff House overlooking the pounding Pacific Ocean just as a heavy rain hit the California coast. The drive home was interrupted by one of those annoying SBC telephone commercials featuring a guy humming Layla. You’ve probably heard them – at least ten times a day! The art exchange was good enough to send me jpg's of all of the photographs. I will attempt to send a link, if it does not appear in the next few days, drop me an e-mail and will send you the files direct. If you would like further information on the exhibit, please go to www.sfae.com. Jim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Feb 14 21:15:47 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Mon Feb 14 21:15:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Mature? Message-ID: <003d01c51304$449f88b0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Re: Mature?>> And you think you are [mature] by bleating out some ridiculous character assassination on something you may not have any idea about? Let me guess....did you just start Psych 101 this semester? << Mizz Chicky-poo, To whom did I supposedly refer when you pronounced me guilty of character assassination? My response to your query re Psych 101 is, "No." I possess a degree in Psychology (1973). Besides, it's incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition. Looks like you could use Remedial English. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050214/646cd47e/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Mon Feb 14 22:16:31 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 22:48:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: KOCH Records & 3 Deuces Records Announce New Album by Jazz Bassist Marcus MillerNew CD "Silver Rain" Hits Stores April 12th; Eric Clapton Lends Vocals and Guitar on Title Track NEW YORK, NY -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 02/14/2005 -- KOCH Records and 3 Deuces Records proudly announce the release of bassist extraordinaire Marcus Miller's sixth studio CD entitled "Silver Rain," which will be released on April 12th. The title track (inspired by a Langston Hughes poem "In Time of Silver Rain") was co-written with legendary musician Eric Clapton, who also provides lead vocals and guitar. "Silver Rain" is the follow-up studio set to Miller's "M2," which won the 2001 Grammy? Award for Best Contemporary Jazz Album. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050214/6bfa25ff/attachment-0001.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Feb 14 22:37:14 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Feb 14 23:05:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Not Jan Wenner References: <3131.217.152.29.86.1108396862.squirrel@webmail.mbnet.fi> Message-ID: <01c801c5130f$b1b16f80$5a8c29d8@Kelly> The person who made that comment and wrote the article was Jon Landau. He's now Bruce Springsteen's manager and has been for awhile. To think I disliked him before I even knew he wrote that article. ;-) But Bruce is great. Kelly ----------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olli Oksala" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Cliche or not > Hi all, > > My English is unfortunately so bad, that usually my messages are widely > misunderstood. > When talkin about cliche ridden Clapton in the days of the Holy Trinity > of Cream, I was referring to a certain Rolling Stone article. This > review (by Jan Wenner, if I remember right) called Eric Clapton A > Master of Cliche among the blues guitarist and effectively was one > major reason for Cream's break-up. > > Clapton was shocked and his God-status was shattered permanently, but > later EC has agreed, that Wenner had a point. > If you listen to concert bootlegs from Cream, you can hear lots of > phrases (maybe you can call them cliches), that tend to be quite > repetative in Clapton's playing at that time. > I love his playing in those days, so brave, agressive and sometimes > beautiful. BUT, I love him more for changing, because that's when he > showed real courage and destination and made it possible for me to > follow his music for decades. I've wouldn't have listened to just a > blues guitarist for this time. > He is one of the few artists from the 60's whose still interesting. > Mostly bands and artists from that era are playing their 60's hits in a > pityful way. > > Well, this is just my small opinion, but maybe shared by some. > > Keep on growin' and maturing > Olli > > > > > > > > > From rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com Mon Feb 14 22:57:48 2005 From: rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com (rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 00:04:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 101 Message-ID: <20050215035748.15188.qmail@w13395.hostcentric.net> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Tue Feb 15 01:45:36 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Tue Feb 15 01:45:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Olli's comment on DeltaNick Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8D2D@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Neither do I, as you may have picked up, but you wanted an example and I provided one or two. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: blues4jr@aol.com [mailto:blues4jr@aol.com] Sent: 15 February 2005 00:52 To: Kevin Wilson Cc: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: RE: [Slowhand] Olli's comment on DeltaNick We all have different tastes and perspectives on music. What you have to keep telling yourself is that we are talking about the early to mid-1960's (1964-1968). What Clapton did with John Mayall and Cream was special AND revolutionary. Although my favorite EC era was the Derek & the Dominos years, I can realize that what he did earlier was more important to the history and evolution of rock music. Just a difference of opinion - I do not see/hear what EC played then as "cliche-ridden". John NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From ollio at mbnet.fi Tue Feb 15 01:58:07 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (Olli Oksala) Date: Tue Feb 15 01:58:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] enjoyment Message-ID: <3810.217.152.29.86.1108450687.squirrel@webmail.mbnet.fi> Hi all, I quess this digest is getting a bit cliche ridden ;*), but here's still some more: Eric Clapton on his preferances in music: Guitar Player - June 2001 GP: "You've said in the past that after you heard the Band you made the decision to leave the bombast of Cream. Did hearing them also affect how you wanted to hear the guitar?" EC: "Very much so. What I appreciated about the Band was that they were more concerned with songs and singing. They would have three- and four- part harmonies, and the guitar was put back into perspective as being accompaniment. That suited me well, because I had gotten so tired of the virtuosity-or pseudo-virtuosity-thing of long, boring guitar solos just because they were expected. The Band brought things back into perspective. The priority was the song." Here's once again: I love the sixties style Clapton, but I love more the contemporary Clapton as the music is for me much better and varied. It's great if you are a great instrumentalist, but for me it's the songs, the band and the overall musical experience that counts. Just my opinion, I could be wrong..., nbut very happy I can enjoy EC's current music totally without the nostalgia getting in the way. Keep on growin' and enjoying Olli From rene.aagaard at get2net.dk Tue Feb 15 07:46:47 2005 From: rene.aagaard at get2net.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Aagaard?=) Date: Tue Feb 15 07:47:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Geography is a tough thing OT Message-ID: <002301c5135c$6a61f210$bfcc4f3e@computernavnet> Hey Mat and all Sorry, sorry, sorry for the grave mistake. Thanks to Matt, THE BRAVE SCOTSMAN form SCOTLAND THE BRAVE I already have offered the Tsunami DVD. (And I will keep it...;-)) Also apologies to Dieter from SWITZERLAND! Man, geography isn't that easy. Ren? Denmark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050215/680fb2d8/attachment.html From sasso at immediando.com Tue Feb 15 09:53:01 2005 From: sasso at immediando.com (Roberto Sasso) Date: Tue Feb 15 09:53:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Offer Message-ID: <141EFB830F50B845974D38404745F78B30A352@svposta.immediando.com> Thanks to Gordon and Mark, I can offer the following: - Paris 2004 (1 DVD-R) - Jools Holland 2004 (1 DVD-R) - Woking 2994 (2 CDs) I'll offer three copies of each item to any Slowhanders who is willing to reoffer them. Please specify what you're interested in, and provide your snail mail address. Best regards! Roberto Sasso "Faith will be rewarded" P.S. if there is any artwork for these sets, I'll appreciate information about it. From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Tue Feb 15 10:54:40 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Tue Feb 15 10:54:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Grammar In-Reply-To: <20050215034813.D55B88CFD8@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050215104828.038c9410@mail.clemson.edu> At 10:48 PM 2/14/2005 -0500, slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: >Besides, it's incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition. Looks like you >could use Remedial English. > > DeltaNick Actually, it's not incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition. Diagram the sentence, and you will see that the preposition has an object. Your high school English teachers spare you that tidbit of knowledge because most of them neither know the rule or the exception; therefore, their students try to be pedantic about grammar later in life [while on fanzines] and ultimately end up showing their ignorance. Never attempt to teach grammar to an English major. The English language is an arsenal of weapons. If you are going to brandish them without checking to see whether or not they are loaded, you must expect to have them explode in your face from time to time. From Cvstahl at aol.com Tue Feb 15 11:36:39 2005 From: Cvstahl at aol.com (Cvstahl@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 11:36:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 95 Message-ID: <5EFDEBD3.51BED7F8.0016F71D@aol.com> Hi all, Where can I find artwork for the Paris 2004 DVD (PAL) that is circulating? Thank you for any help and please feel free to e-mail me a URL or the artwork itself. :-) Thank you Tom From kelly at kellymandel.com Tue Feb 15 12:18:31 2005 From: kelly at kellymandel.com (Kelly Mandel) Date: Tue Feb 15 12:18:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] My Opinion re: EC's creativity/laziness Message-ID: <48ab84eb67867eda5441b84c030feaf9@kellymandel.com> Reading the digest, it kind of cracks me up, the way people speculate constantly about Clapton's creativity, vs his laziness, etc. During Fleetwood Mac's first tour without Peter Green, I spent the whole time between their sets backstage with them at Winterland (or was it the Fillmore?) Danny Kirwan, Christine Perfect, Fleetwood, Macvie, Jeremy Spencer. They were very afraid of not being accepted without Green, but they were welcomed with open arms (and the rest is history!) I availed myself of the opportunity to speak at length to Macvie about his experience playing on Bluesbreakers w. Clapton. I told him that my impression was that EC was burning with an intensity that was unparalleled in music, in my experience. He agreed and said that about 2 weeks before Bluesbreakers was recorded, everything Clapton played was as intense and emotional as "Have You Heard". My impression has always been that Clapton's technical ability had reached the point where he could finally express all the rage in him from a rotten situation as a kid. Alone, different and seemingly betrayed by his parents, he had become an angry and emotionally stunted ked. As he expressed the rage through his playing during his stint with Mayall and later in Cream, the pain and depth of emotion subsided, and consequently so did the frequency of that incredible intensity. Fortunately, Clapton occasionally still breaks through to that "place" and has always had that ability, though I believe it happens relatively less often than with Bluesbreakers, less than with Cream, less than with D & the Dominos, etc. It figures. He's almost 60, and has had 40+ years of expressing himself. At his best, he is still an inspired improvisational genius. At his worst (as far as I have heard in probably 30 times hearing him) he is a remarkably high quality, well meaning musician, offering an extremely high-quality product throughout his career. Kelly From rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com Tue Feb 15 12:10:31 2005 From: rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com (rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 102 Message-ID: <20050215171031.26918.qmail@w13395.hostcentric.net> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. From Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz Tue Feb 15 14:26:44 2005 From: Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz (Duncan McKie) Date: Tue Feb 15 14:26:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Things - relaterd or not... Message-ID: Was there a down-under recipient of the Jools Holland and Woking sets? Hoping it will make it's way thru to these shaky isles. I have just finished Robert Gordon's "Can't Be Satisfied-Life and Times of Muddy Waters" and recommend it to any one interested in Blues , Music, life or just looking for a great read (Relates the Clapton story of watching Muddy riding a tricycle round the yard at his (Muddy's) wedding - honest!) There can't be many of the Great Ones left now... Finally, if I really wanted to know about gramma, prepositions, and how to speak proper, I would have turned up to classes in my last year of sckool, not subscibed to some musice digest. Although it is funny Cheers'n'Beers Duncan McKie The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050215/f366bdbf/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Tue Feb 15 22:14:44 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Tue Feb 15 22:14:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: My Opinion re: EC's creativity/laziness Message-ID: <003601c513d5$ab28b260$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> During Fleetwood Mac's first tour without Peter Green, I spent the whole >> time between their sets backstage with them at Winterland ... I availed >> myself of the opportunity to speak at length to Macvie about his >> experience playing on Bluesbreakers w. Clapton. I told him that my >> impression was that EC was burning with an intensity that was >> unparalleled in music, in my experience. He agreed and said that about 2 >> weeks before Bluesbreakers was recorded, everything Clapton played was as >> intense and emotional as "Have You Heard" ... My impression has always >> been that Clapton's technical ability had reached the point where he >> could finally express all the rage in him from a rotten situation as a >> kid. Alone, different and seemingly betrayed by his parents, he had >> become an angry and emotionally stunted ked. As he expressed the rage >> through his playing during his stint with Mayall and later in Cream, the >> pain and depth of emotion subsided, and consequently so did the frequency >> of that incredible intensity. Fortunately, Clapton occasionally still >> breaks through to that "place" and has always had that ability, though I >> believe it happens relatively less often than with Bluesbreakers, less >> than with Cream, less than with D & the Dominos, etc. It figures. He's >> almost 60, and has had 40+ years of expressing himself. At his best, he >> is still an inspired improvisational genius. At his worst (as far as I >> have heard in probably 30 times hearing him) he is a remarkably high >> quality, well meaning musician, offering an extremely high-quality >> product throughout his career. << Kelly, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The only thing I’d add or challenge you on is that Clapton’s pain subsided after Mayall, Cream, and Blind Faith only because it was anesthetized by heroin, and then alcohol. All this did was postpone Clapton’s working out his problems. Hence, my belief that he didn’t “grow up” until much later than most. Most of us usually work out our adolescent problems in early adulthood. Teenagers often disown who they were -- and their likes, dislikes, and desires -- a few short years earlier. But most folks reclaim that childhood -- understanding that it is childhood -- as they become adults. Clapton disowned his teenage years and his early 20s and has not accepted them until very recently, speaking disdainfully about his youthful years and his early music career (Mayall, Cream, etc). This is why I believe he stated that he's embarrassed to listen to his early recorded music. This is normal when you’re 15 or 16, but immature when it persists into your 40s or 50s. The bottom line is that it seems as though Clapton is finally beginning to iron this all out. It's taken him a long time, but I think the final wake up call was in 1991, when his son died. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050215/9e8413ea/attachment-0001.html From deltanick at comcast.net Tue Feb 15 22:31:47 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Tue Feb 15 22:31:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC on Dave Mason's "Alone Together"? Message-ID: <004301c513d8$0cc1ac50$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I've always liked the Dave Mason album "Alone Together" but never thought >> that EC played on it. His guest appearances from that era seem quite well >> known now (e.g. "While My Guitar...") so I was surprised at what the >> Amazon reviewer wrote below. It does not sound like EC to me. Any >> thoughts, folks? << I doubt it. As far as EC’s participation on Delaney & Bonnie recordings goes, there’s a 45-RPM single studio recording, and there’s a live album. Studio: EC participated in the recording of a 45-RPM single, “Comin’ Home”/”Groupie (Superstar),” in either late September or early October 1969. These were apparently the only STUDIO recordings that EC made with Delaney & Bonnie to be issued under THEIR name. There were other studio recordings done with D&B, but the recordings were for someone else’s records: EC’s own, Leon Russell’s, etc. Live: EC was part of the band Delaney & Bonnie And Friends when their “On Tour” album was recorded live, 7 December 1969, in England. “Comin’ Home” and Only You Know And I Know” were songs in their set, and are on the album. I don’t believe that EC recorded any more D&B tracks in the studio than what’s mentioned here. And by May or June of 1970, several of the “Friends” were no longer part of D&B’s band, having become the Dominos. D&B tracks recorded after the Dominos' departure from D&B were without EC. In fact, Duane Allman then became associated with and played guitar for D&B. EC didn’t record with D&B in 1971 or later. On the question of EC’s participation on Dave Mason’s “Look At Me, Look At You,” I don’t believe it happened. Roberty doesn’t mention it at all. Also, a couple of reviews down (on Amazon.com), another reviewer lists the credits from the original LP: Dave Mason: Guitar, Vocals Jim Capaldi: Drums Rita Coolidge: Vocals Leon Russell: Keyboards Carl Radle: Bass Don Preston: Keyboards Bonnie Bramlett: Vocals Delaney Bramlett: Guitar, Vocals Claudia Lennear: Vocals Jim Keltner: Drums John Simon: Keyboards Jim Gordon: Drums John Barbata: Drums Bruce Botnick: Engineer Mike Coolidge: Background Vocals Lou Cooper Michael DeTemple: Guitar Chris Ethridge: Bass Larry Knechtel: Organ Bob Norwood Furthermore, the Dave Mason Discography (http://home.att.net/~fleetwood.mac/mason/disc/dm01.htm) lists the following musicians on “Alone Together”: Dave Mason Delaney Bramlett Bonnie Bramlett Leon Russell Jim Keltner Jim Capaldi Jim Gordon John Simon Rita Coolidge Mike Coolidge Larry Knechtel Mike DeTemple John Barbata Claudia Lennear Don Preston Jack Storti Lou Cooper Bob Norwood Note that Winwood’s name is missing (I'm guessing that he and EC were woodshedding together), but Jim Capaldi is there, as well as Carl Radle, Jim Gordon, Leon Russell, and both Delaney & Bonnie. Peering through more of the reviews of Mason’s album on Amazon, one has the following remark: “The track called 'Look At Me, Look at You' has one very fine guitar solo in it which I saw him [Mason] perform at the now defunct Boston Garden back in 1976. Fantastic!” So, sounds to me like EC is not on Mason’s album. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050215/58428e9d/attachment.html From rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com Tue Feb 15 22:24:28 2005 From: rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com (rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 23:10:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 103 Message-ID: <20050216032428.1688.qmail@w13395.hostcentric.net> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. From axonjaxon1950 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 01:09:38 2005 From: axonjaxon1950 at yahoo.com (jim jackson) Date: Wed Feb 16 01:09:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Layla and the Crooked Horizons Message-ID: <20050216060938.12933.qmail@web50706.mail.yahoo.com> Layla and the Crooked Horizons Crooked horizons, blurry, unfocused, hastily composed snapshots, red-eye, flash hot-spots, and grainy film are all aspects of photography that every trained photographer, whether self-taught or formally trained, learns to eliminate in their very early stages of this craft. As a self taught photographer for over 35 years, nothing bothers me more than to see a photograph of the ocean with a horizon that is angled at thirty degrees rather than being straight. Of course, poor compositions and red-eye rate up there on my list of photographic pet peeves. Another of my photographic pet peeves is the unintentional use of grainy film. Grainy film, high-speed film is for small family album snapshots, but for professional looking portraits that will be enlarged, grainy film is bothersome to look at. Grainy film makes a person look as though they have a bad case of acne. These are simply signs of an amateur with poor talent and no craftsmanship in the fine art of photography. Photographic mistakes such as I've mentioned wind up in a shoe box rarely to be looked at again, certainly not to be shown in a public exhibition. Such is not the case at the San Francisco Art Exchange of the first public debut of photographs by Pattie Boyd. In case you don't already know it, Pattie is the former wife of rock icons George Harrison and Eric Clapton. She was the inspiration of several famous love songs, notably Clapton's Layla which, coincidentally, is currently receiving very frequent and quite obnoxious airplay in the San Francisco region as part of a telephone company's commercial. Pattie's recent exhibit of her photographs would not garner much attention were it not for her former marital status and insider access to the likes of the Beatles, Eric Clapton, and Mick Jagger. Her work is unremarkable from any sense of the word "art" but is historical in the sense of it's time and retrospect. Her objects are priced in the $1,600.00 to $3,500.00 range which may or may not be a good investment for later years. Personally a signed Ansel Adams photograph would probably yield a higher rate of return and is surely more pleasing to look at. Seeing that crooked horizon everyday hanging on my wall would drive me to the point of eventually throwing a large rock through the damn thing! Not all of "Layla's" photographs are of rock stars, there are the obligatory street scenes which were taken in some impoverished part of the world. They were clearly taken while on some world tour from some private tour vehicle. Her attempt to show the people who happened to be standing on the street as her caravan passed are nothing more than patronizing photographs. They are an insult to photographers who have dedicated their lives by living among the impoverished and have worked hard to present the plight of the downtrodden to the world. Is she trying to enter the art world or simply in need of money? In her lifetime, Pattie Boyd has made a lot of money and hopefully she has not squandered the royalties of her two infamous marriages. Sadly, there was no mention of a percentage of the proceeds going towards making anyone's life better other than her own. A mere mention of a percent going to help Asian tsunami relief efforts would have swayed me to purchase a photo simply for the sake of charity. Ironically, one of the photographs in this exhibit is titled, "Girls Night Out." It appears to be Pattie and a friend after a night of alcohol bingeing. It is awful and could scare the hell out of children and grown folks alike. A better title would be, "Two drunk old hags." It is beyond me or my taste in art to criticize anyone who would want this photo hanging in a place where it would be seen often, unless of course in the museum of horror or an alcoholics anonymous meeting hall to portray the evils of drinking! As I studied the photographs, fully intent to purchase one when I arrived at the gallery, I was hard pressed to find one that I really thought worthy of spending my money on. I simply expected more from a person who had such intimate access to "front row seating" in the lives of the rich and famous of the rock stars of the earlier decades. Her series of sepia-tone photographs of the Beatles looked like claymation figures, hardly recognizable as any member of the famous foursome. The gallery administrator had to point out to me who they were. I shudder to think what my friends would say as they looked at one of these photographs hanging in my home or office. "What the hell is this supposed to be?" or "Who the hell are these people?" At some point my favorite rock would go flying towards the photograph. Aside from the obvious poor attempt at being a photographer, one glaring problem stands out. Each print is horribly mounted and gives the appearance that the exhibit was hastily assembled to generate quick funds. The edges of each print is wrinkled where it joins the mat. The edges of the mat were clearly not professionally prepared and are jagged and not very straight. Sorry Pattie, but as the Layla to many of us men in the world, not just Eric and George, you could have and should have done a better job. On a romantic rainy Valentine's Day in San Francisco that marked opening day, my Layla and I were quite disappointed. Rather than purchasing one of your photographs as a long lasting souvenir of our day together, we instead ate a wonderful lunch at the Cliff House overlooking the pounding surf and the imminent storm that was approaching from the Pacific Ocean. Jim Jackson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 16 01:18:57 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Wed Feb 16 01:19:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] the neverending debate now gets interesting... In-Reply-To: <20050216060942.EA64C8CA9B@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: I guess it's inevitable, every month or even week or so, inevitably there is a new way to frame the discussion of Eric's playing now vs. the 60's.. Seems like this time the discussion started around maturity and then got into some psychological explanation (attempted at least) as to why he played a way back then vs. how he plays as a more mature man... To me it begins and ends with this.. I understand the need to try to break down from a psych. angle, why he chose certain paths artistically, but for me it boils down to this: Eric's got tired of being one dimensional and never really knew any other style of playing until he ran across The Band. that's it, you can see the line clearly drawn from 1965-68/69, playing a certain way, choice of instruments changed, exposed the Big Pink and boom his playing changed. Granted Layla album was a bit different, but we all agree it was different than Beano/Cream. That's how I tend to view his evolution, yes he "matured", "aged", wanted to become a more complete artist, but I feel like he very much lived in a vacuum, one voice - blues/rock, but when we changed instruments (gibson to Fender) and when he was exposed to a different scene in music, his entire approach to playing guitar changed. Unless DN or whoever is a pyschologist (sp, sorry), the psycho-analysis to me holds little weight, look at the facts and choices he made.. From Cobhome at aol.com Wed Feb 16 01:52:23 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 01:52:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <54.3e122197.2f4447a7@aol.com> I found this biography of Clapton at the book store and it appeared to = be a harsh view at Clapton's life. Has anybody read it and what are = your thoughts? Is the author credible or is he just a digging up = peoples dirt? Edge of Darkness - was I thought - a fascinating book - in that - you see an author - a biographer - who simply cannot like his subject - he tries - and that struggle is apparent in the book - but his frustration with his subject - is clearly evident - to me that was the most striking aspect of the book - As for Sanford's credibility - he had written several well received biographies and books prior to this - can't recall what other rock stars he did - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050216/71dec008/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Wed Feb 16 02:01:42 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 02:01:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: I think you=92ve hit the nail on the head. The only thing I=92d add or ch= allenge=20 you on is that Clapton=92s pain subsided after Mayall, Cream, and Blind F= aith=20 only because it was anesthetized by heroin, and then alcohol. All this di= d=20 was postpone Clapton=92s working out his problems. Hence, my belief that = he=20 didn=92t =93grow up=94 until much later than most. Most of us usually work out our adolescent problems in early adulthood.=20 Teenagers often disown who they were -- and their likes, dislikes, and=20 desires -- a few short years earlier. But most folks reclaim that=20 childhood -- understanding that it is childhood -- as they become adults.= =20 Clapton disowned his teenage years and his early 20s and has not accepted= =20 them until very recently, speaking disdainfully about his youthful years = and=20 his early music career (Mayall, Cream, etc). This is why I believe he sta= ted=20 that he's embarrassed to listen to his early recorded music. This is norm= al=20 when you=92re 15 or 16, but immature when it persists into your 40s or 50= s. The bottom line is that it seems as though Clapton is finally beginning t= o=20 iron this all out. It's taken him a long time, but I think the final wake= up=20 call was in 1991, when his son died. = =20 DeltaNick Well - I would add to this - that one of the consequences of addiction - be it drugs alcohol - sex - relationships - work - apple pie LOL - is that you stop growing and developing once the addiction takes over - and EC himself has made it clear that he was drinking to the point where he was passing out - at the age of 14 - Also - anger is not the only source of passion - emotion - expressiveness - all this discussion about EC's lack of passion - do you all mean - anger when you say this ?? Or are you talking about the fuller range of human feeling and expression?? Finally - many of EC's friends and lovers have spoken of his obsessiveness - I was even surprised to hear Gary Brooker speak of it in the most recent A and E bio on EC - that EC is a very obsessive person - and will move from one obsession to the next - it seems to me - as a young man - EC was utterly consumed with the obsession to become the greatest guitarist - and even as he says =- to save the blues - perhaps the intensity with which he approached playing then was a reflection of that consuming obsession - and as time has gine on - it is no longer such a obsession - Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From Cobhome at aol.com Wed Feb 16 02:13:27 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 02:13:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <19c.2e41e4bf.2f444c97@aol.com> Saw an interesting article about EC's spate of SBC commercials - seems SBC has announced that EC and his commercials - are an integral part of an ad campaign related to some new products they are soon to be releasing - and - the campaign will continue with clips from EC's new cd - so - I guess we know why the CD - originally slated to be released in Nov- Dec - has been delayed - it is timed to coincide with this SBC ad campaign - so - It seems we shall be seeing more of EC on TV! \ Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kevin _____ From: David McAffee [mailto:davemcaffee@hotmail.com] Sent: 16 February 2005 03:19 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Edge of Darkness I found this biography of Clapton at the book store and it appeared to be a harsh view at Clapton's life. Has anybody read it and what are your thoughts? Is the author credible or is he just a digging up peoples dirt? Dave NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050216/48538564/attachment-0001.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Feb 16 02:41:28 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Feb 16 02:41:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: My Opinion re: EC's creativity/laziness Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8DAC@sunwex01.arivia.kom> How shall we term Eric's current vigour - working out his second childhood? Go kid, go! Kevin _____ From: DeltaNick [mailto:deltanick@comcast.net] Sent: 16 February 2005 05:15 To: Slowhand Digest Subject: [Slowhand] Re: My Opinion re: EC's creativity/laziness I think you've hit the nail on the head. The only thing I'd add or challenge you on is that Clapton's pain subsided after Mayall, Cream, and Blind Faith only because it was anesthetized by heroin, and then alcohol. All this did was postpone Clapton's working out his problems. Hence, my belief that he didn't "grow up" until much later than most. Most of us usually work out our adolescent problems in early adulthood. Teenagers often disown who they were -- and their likes, dislikes, and desires -- a few short years earlier. But most folks reclaim that childhood -- understanding that it is childhood -- as they become adults. Clapton disowned his teenage years and his early 20s and has not accepted them until very recently, speaking disdainfully about his youthful years and his early music career (Mayall, Cream, etc). This is why I believe he stated that he's embarrassed to listen to his early recorded music. This is normal when you're 15 or 16, but immature when it persists into your 40s or 50s. The bottom line is that it seems as though Clapton is finally beginning to iron this all out. It's taken him a long time, but I think the final wake up call was in 1991, when his son died. DeltaNick NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050216/cb532a49/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Feb 16 02:45:28 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Feb 16 02:45:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 104 Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E8DAD@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Anyone close enough to call this guy to turn off his auto-reply? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com [mailto:rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com] Sent: 16 February 2005 08:19 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 104 You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com Wed Feb 16 02:49:11 2005 From: rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com (rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 03:34:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 105 Message-ID: <20050216074911.14621.qmail@w13395.hostcentric.net> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. From john.hutchinson at tcd.ie Wed Feb 16 05:05:47 2005 From: john.hutchinson at tcd.ie (John Hutchinson) Date: Wed Feb 16 05:04:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Sessions for Robert J Message-ID: I'm still not clear why all this debate about EC's 'maturity' and 'passion' isn't focussed on his new album. Isn't he, on the record and DVD, revisiting his earliest obsessions, his childhood pain, his development as a guitarist and a singer - and his hope for the future? Why don't we all appreciate what EC is now accomplishing, instead of trying to score points over each other in terms of our 'deeper' understanding of what and who he is? In terms of psychological development, 'Pilgrim' mapped his struggle to understand his present life, and 'Reptile' was an earnest and well-meaning attempt to embrace his childhood past. 'Sessions for Robert J' is on another level altogether - both musically and in terms of emotional depth. John From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 12:12:23 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Wed Feb 16 12:12:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] getting repetitive? Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050216091273b0e614@mail.gmail.com> >>Anyone close enough to call this guy to turn off his auto-reply? >>Kevin maybe that is not an auto-reply message LOL Gaetano From rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com Wed Feb 16 12:09:41 2005 From: rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com (rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 13:07:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 106 Message-ID: <20050216170941.20454.qmail@w13395.hostcentric.net> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Wed Feb 16 14:25:57 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Wed Feb 16 14:26:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff + Hootenanny Message-ID: Does anybody have the Cardiff set + EC's Hootenanny performance on CD? I would be interested in trading for that. Best, Ken From jnacca0408 at rogers.com Wed Feb 16 16:36:58 2005 From: jnacca0408 at rogers.com (JOHN NACCARATO) Date: Wed Feb 16 16:34:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC & Jerry Lee Lewis? Message-ID: <001201c5146f$a50d3a00$b7ecc545@D10RM611> Hi slowhanders, I saw in yesterdays local paper that Jerry Lee Lewis will be making a "duets type" album similar to Ray Charles' "genius loves company". EC will supposedly be contributing his talents along with BB King, Springsteen, Mick Jagger, Ronnie Wood, Keith Richards, Neil Young, Toby Keith, John Fogerty, Robbie Robertson, Merle Haggard, Kid Rock, Rod Stewart, Willie Nelson, George Jones, Buddy Guy, Don Henley and Kris Kristofferson...whew. The album is due at the end of May. The article didn't list any song titles. Does anyone have any more information on this release? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050216/1d7de860/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Wed Feb 16 20:28:25 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:28:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fw: Sessions For Robert J Message-ID: <001301c5148f$fb323e60$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Re: Sessions For Robert J>> I'm still not clear why all this debate about EC's 'maturity' and 'passion' isn't focussed on his new album. << That's how it began: some think his latest Robert Johnson albums have lots of "maturity" and not much "passion." DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050216/402e1edf/attachment.html From macca461 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 16 21:33:27 2005 From: macca461 at hotmail.com (Jon Maclean) Date: Wed Feb 16 21:34:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Dave Mason - Alone Together In-Reply-To: <20050216170005.EA43C8CC7C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Thanks to Kevin and others who raised the issue about the Alone Together album. It is a great album, and although Eric was in all likelihood not involved, certainly worth having. I've had it on vinyl for years and these posts prompted me to order a CD upgrade on Amazon (at US$7.58, it's well worth the price). Cheers, Jon From susbastille at msn.com Wed Feb 16 22:49:25 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Wed Feb 16 22:50:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] passion vs maturity Message-ID: Hi, all, Passion versus maturity. Is it really either or? I certainly hope not. While I find it interesting and even somewhat enlightening and maybe even dead on, I sincerely hope that all of this discussion of Clapton's passion and maturity, or lack thereof, is not to say that passion and maturity are mutually exclusive. (And I mean that on the deepest or most superficial level, take your pick.) Gibson or Strat....twenty or sixty....EC still has the capability (and the fire somewhere underneath) to take us over the edge (not just to it)--and I'm counting on it in the future.... susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050216/4b303bd3/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Wed Feb 16 22:56:30 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Wed Feb 16 22:56:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD References: <20050216031454.875E18CAB3@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <01a301c514a4$aa128660$8a9529d8@Kelly> I just want everyone who is getting this dvd from me to know it will be out soon. I had a little delay in that I was unable to use my cousin's burner due to him being busy, me, or both. Kelly ------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Wed Feb 16 23:06:38 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Wed Feb 16 23:06:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) References: <54.3e122197.2f4447a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <01d901c514a6$14675490$8a9529d8@Kelly> Whether true or not, Sandford brings the dirt out on all of his subjects from what I've seen. This includes EC and Bruce Springsteen. Same goes for others from what I've heard. Kelly -------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Cobhome@aol.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:52 AM Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) I found this biography of Clapton at the book store and it appeared to = be a harsh view at Clapton's life. Has anybody read it and what are = your thoughts? Is the author credible or is he just a digging up = peoples dirt? Edge of Darkness - was I thought - a fascinating book - in that - you see an author - a biographer - who simply cannot like his subject - he tries - and that struggle is apparent in the book - but his frustration with his subject - is clearly evident - to me that was the most striking aspect of the book - As for Sanford's credibility - he had written several well received biographies and books prior to this - can't recall what other rock stars he did - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050216/1ff95e75/attachment-0001.html From rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com Wed Feb 16 23:16:28 2005 From: rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com (rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 00:01:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 107 Message-ID: <20050217041628.10016.qmail@w13395.hostcentric.net> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. From trevork1 at iinet.net.au Thu Feb 17 04:52:12 2005 From: trevork1 at iinet.net.au (Trevor) Date: Thu Feb 17 04:52:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 104 Message-ID: <000001c514d6$5b557050$d7d13bcb@xp> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. Mike Tirozzi, I need your immediate assistance in acquiring 2 tickets for Cream on 3, 4, 6 and 7 May. I am not willing to pay exorbitant prices. I have already booked my airline ticket and hotel, all I need is the tickets. Your boss (see above) told me to contact you. If you want to keep your job and have a good performance review this year you better get moving before he gets back. He has put the reputation of his company in your hands!!!!!. No one wants to deal with a company that cannot deliver...well, can they?. You need to be afraid... VERY AFRAID In anticipation, any where except in the nosebleed section will be considered. Trevor Perth Western Australia P.S, Hey Mike, if you have got any tickets you can count on me for a reference. Nudge wink, nudge wink, say no more! If not, for Christ's sake get his auto reply off the net and stop wasting our time and go look for a real job.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think that there is a huge difference in achievement between the first and second Robert Johnson albums, and it is pretty clear on the DVD that the band thinks so too. And I'm baffled as to how anybody can watch EC's performances on 'Sessions for Robert J' (and, for that matter, on the Crossroads Festival DVD) and not be impressed by his extraordinary emotional commitment to what he's doing. In any case, perhaps it would be interesting, in this forum, to discuss some more musical content, instead of getting too obsessed about Cream tickets and bootlegs? A few possibilities: 'Why is Robert Johnson so important to EC at this stage of his life?'; ' Does EC feel that he has a responsibility for the survival of the blues?; 'What difference has DB made to EC's band?'. 'What was the nature of the musical relationship between EC and Hendrix? Who influenced whom?'I can think of many more such issues, but these may be questions that intrigue me - and not many other people. The psychological stuff was getting interesting - but it would be great if everybody respected each other's point of view instead of getting personal about things. John From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 17 11:56:57 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (Simon George) Date: Thu Feb 17 11:57:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Recording Audio off DVD Message-ID: <001601c51511$b24dd600$e728ff3e@main> I have Concert for George and theCrossroads Festival on DVD, what I was wondering is, is there a quick and easy way of copying the audio off these for use as mp3's? Apart from, obviously recording them as they play. Anyone know? Cheers, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050217/0b3ee206/attachment.html From pkdippel at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 13:24:58 2005 From: pkdippel at yahoo.com (Phil Dippel) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:25:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Recording Audio off DVD In-Reply-To: <20050217170002.4DA6B8CF81@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050217182459.32982.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com> Simon, Haven't found anything great for the PC, but if you use a Mac there is a little app called Wiretap Pro that works best to create mp3, aac, aiff or wav files- http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/ I'm sure there must be a PC equivalent out there somewhere. Hope that helps, Phil >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:56:57 -0000 >From: "Simon George" >Subject: [Slowhand] Recording Audio off DVD >To: >Message-ID: <001601c51511$b24dd600$e728ff3e@main> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I have Concert for George and theCrossroads Festival >on DVD, what I was >wondering is, is there a quick and easy way of >copying the audio off >these for use as mp3's? Apart from, obviously >recording them as they >play. >Anyone know? >Cheers, >Simon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From blues4jr at aol.com Thu Feb 17 13:34:30 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:34:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Answers to John H. Message-ID: <697EEDAD.03D80A93.00955D93@aol.com> John Hutchinson posed a few questions. I'll give answering a try. Question - Why is Robert Johnson so important to EC at this stage of his life? Answer - EC discovered RJ very early on - maybe even pre-Mayall. I think EC has always wanted to take on a project like his RJ stuff and just recently had the courage, time and money to do it. Question - Does EC feel that he has a responsibility for the survival of the blues? Answer - yes, I believe he does. Except, I believe he wants everyone to know the history of the Blues and he is only bringing to the limelight what others did before him. Question - What difference has DB made to EC's band? Answer - not real sure how to answer this one. Is his role really any different than AFL was? Question - What was the nature of the musical relationship between EC and Hendrix? Answer - From what I have read, it was mutual admiration. They jammed a couple times and I'm sure got wasted together a couple times. Question - Who influenced whom? Answer - I don't really think either had much of an influence on the other musically. Both covered songs by the other. I think they were on parallel paths doing their own thing. John From lenmoskowitz at optonline.net Thu Feb 17 13:47:15 2005 From: lenmoskowitz at optonline.net (Len Moskowitz) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:41:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Recording Audio off DVD References: <001601c51511$b24dd600$e728ff3e@main> Message-ID: <015801c51521$19d01ae0$0200a8c0@win98> There's a program available called "DVD Audio Extractor" that does the job well. www.plimus.com Len Moskowitz ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon George To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Recording Audio off DVD I have Concert for George and theCrossroads Festival on DVD, what I was wondering is, is there a quick and easy way of copying the audio off these for use as mp3's? Apart from, obviously recording them as they play. Anyone know? Cheers, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050217/e0a14a14/attachment.html From rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com Thu Feb 17 12:09:58 2005 From: rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com (rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:47:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 108 Message-ID: <20050217170958.28621.qmail@w13395.hostcentric.net> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. From bluesview at comcast.net Thu Feb 17 13:49:59 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:50:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Maturity References: Message-ID: <001701c51521$7bcdb4f0$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hutchinson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:22 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Maturity > I'm tempted to conclude that Delta Nick always has to have the last say... I > think that there is a huge difference in achievement between the first and > second Robert Johnson albums, and it is pretty clear on the DVD that the > band thinks so too. And I'm baffled as to how anybody can watch EC's > performances on 'Sessions for Robert J' (and, for that matter, on the > Crossroads Festival DVD) and not be impressed by his extraordinary emotional > commitment to what he's doing. In any case, perhaps it would be interesting, > in this forum, to discuss some more musical content, instead of getting too > obsessed about Cream tickets and bootlegs? A few possibilities: 'Why is > Robert Johnson so important to EC at this stage of his life?'; ' Does EC > feel that he has a responsibility for the survival of the blues?; 'What > difference has DB made to EC's band?'. 'What was the nature of the musical > relationship between EC and Hendrix? Who influenced whom?'I can think of > many more such issues, but these may be questions that intrigue me - and not > many other people. The psychological stuff was getting interesting - but it > would be great if everybody respected each other's point of view instead of > getting personal about things. > > John I'd like to throw in my opinions on some of your good questions, if I may... 'Why is Robert Johnson so important to EC at this stage of his life?'. I think it was something that had been inside EC for a long, long time and he finally found the medium and the time to do the project. I, in my opiniion, think that it was always some unfinished business thet EC finally completed and I feel it was extremely important for him personally to complete it while he was able. I', not saying he coulsn't do it five years from now, but you never know what's going to happen tomorrow. ' Does EC feel that he has a responsibility for the survival of the blues?' I'd say yes and no to this one. I feel Eric doesn't feel responsible to anyone for his music, except himself. And I'm fine with this. I would ask in return.... Did Sogovia feel responsible for his playing to anyone but himself? On the other hand... Eric's actions appear to suggest he does feel a responsibity to 'carry the torch' for the blues. He has recorded his own and other's blues songs. He's colaborated with a large number of young and old blues players. Think of the enormous amount of songs Eric has played on for other people. It's staggering! And to make two quick and easy examples about why I believe Eric feels a responsibly to keep the blues alive is on one hand recording 'Riding With the King', which he and B.B. had tried to get together for years to finally be able to record an album together. On the other hand... look at how much DB has grown and improved. My opinion of DB is that I didn't like his music before he was involved with Eric. He was too SRV influenced and generic. I didn't like his work on 'Riding With the King', I really like his playing on 'Me and Mr. J'. DB is confident (and playing with Eric and being confident is an acomplishment all by itself!) and his playing has improved incredably. He plays so well now, yet he's not being an EC clone. So as Eric has learned from earlier generations of blues players, he is passing on his knowledge to the next generation. I'll also add that Eric has had younger blues players open for his shows. DB, Robert Cray and Robert Randolf to name a few. I remember seeing Derick and the Dominoes in Ft. Worth, Texas in the '70s and Freddie King was the warm up act. Remember, this was just a bit after all the Woodstock bands (most of them) were at there most popular. So, having Freddie King there shows Eric's respect and love for Freddie (as he has mentioned many times) and his commitment to carry the blues with him. Freddie King, which I like very much, would not have had that kind of exposure 'at that time in music'. And I, being too young at the time to drive, was being exposed to Freddie King live. I'd read a little about him at the time, but, of course, I was at the concert because of Eric (not to mention all the great players in the band). A side note here: Freddie was living in Dallas at the time (I live in a surburb of Dallas) and after the D&D concert we were driving home and within a few miles from the concert venue (Will Rodgers Auditorium), we passed Freddie King who had been pulled over in his new pink Cadillac at the side of the road. Probably speeding to get out of Ft. Worth before the after concert traffic! But, back to the subject, I've been exposed to music and musicians I would have most likely been aware of due to Eric's songs and interviews. 'What difference has DB made to EC's band?' I've already commented on DB musicial growth while playing with EC and I think he brings a new, fresh addition to the band. As I said above, he's not an EC clone, and his higher level of playing (due to EC influence as well as a maturing DB). He compliments the band by adding his unique style without competing or getting in the way. He stands out and more aggressive a player than, say, Andy was. I respect him for being able to play with the band members besides Eric, all great in there own right. I don't believe DB will play with EC for a long period like Albert Lee or Andy Fairweather-Low. This is just my opinion. I believe DB, while getting the best guitar and recording lessons in the world, as well as all the extrodonary experiances he's living with these last few years (I don't think he ever thought he'd be playing for 10's of thousands of fans), I believe he'll want to strike out on his own to play his own songs and to prove he's a talented player away from EC's shadow. I also believe EC will, as he has shown us in the past, want to change courses, and that may not include DB. I think if DB left to go out on his own, he'd do so with Eric's blessings. 'What was the nature of the musical relationship between EC and Hendrix? Who influenced whom?' From what I've read and the timing, I believe Eric influenced Jimi. Remember Eric had played with the Yardbirds and the Bluesbreakers before Jimi came on the scene. Jimi was still playing R&B with King Curtis, Little Richard and other acts as a sideman. Many people have thought that EC started playing Stratocasters because Jimi was, but Eric Strated playing a Strat before Jimi became a phenomana. Some say it was Buddy Guy who influenced EC to switch to a Strat. Having said that... both were influenced by each other, Jimi by Eric, then Eric by Jimi later on. Their relationship was one of mutual admiration. Each played songs by the other. They were friends and respected one another greatly. And, as I'm sure most of you know about the Hendrix concert Eric attended intending to give Jimi a Strat after the show, only to find out Jimi had just passed away. From Cvstahl at aol.com Thu Feb 17 13:58:19 2005 From: Cvstahl at aol.com (Cvstahl@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:58:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Again: Paris DVD ARTWORK? Message-ID: <19B00CE5.71E518A2.0016F71D@aol.com> I never did a response to a previous posting/message, but maybe because it was at the bottom of the digest when it was posted. So..... Can anyone tell me if artwork is available for this DVD and if "yes", where can I possibly get it from. Thank you for any help! :-) Tom From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Thu Feb 17 13:59:11 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:58:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re Maturity In-Reply-To: <20050217170001.C36718CF53@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050217135052.035d38f8@mail.clemson.edu> At 12:00 PM 2/17/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I'm tempted to conclude that Delta Nick always has to have the last say... I >think that there is a huge difference in achievement between the first and >second Robert Johnson albums, and it is pretty clear on the DVD that the >band thinks so too. And I'm baffled as to how anybody can watch EC's >performances on 'Sessions for Robert J' (and, for that matter, on the >Crossroads Festival DVD) and not be impressed by his extraordinary emotional >commitment to what he's doing. In any case, perhaps it would be interesting, >in this forum, to discuss some more musical content, instead of getting too >obsessed about Cream tickets and bootlegs? Well said, John H. Applause, applause. A small faction of this Slowhand crowd goes wild. Prepare for your verbal beatings, though. They're gonna get you for that. Bless you and your brass balls. How anyone can watch him do a perfunctory performance of Layla on one DVD, then pop in Sessions and see the difference--he commitment and the fervor of the way he plays and feels there--and NOT see it or feel it themselves---that just escapes me. (excuse the run-on sentence) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jimi went to London in late September 1966, jammed with Cream on 1 October, and had a hit record, "Hey Joe," either in late 1966 or early 1967. Jimi's first album, "Are You Experienced?" was released in early 1967. It was a blockbuster. Clapton began playing a Strat in public in late 1969. In early 1969, he played a Gibson Firebird I and his red Gibson ES-335, while with Blind Faith. Also with Blind Faith, he played a Fender Telecaster with a Strat neck once or twice, but he was almost exclusively a Gibson player while with Mayall, Cream, and Blind Faith. Following Blind Faith's breakup (their last performance was in August 1969), Clapton alternated between "Brownie," a Strat, and a black Gibson Les Paul Custom through the end of 1969 and throughout 1970, eventually making the Strat his main guitar. So, while Hendrix was around, Clapton was mostly a Gibson player. He did not play a Strat before Jimi Hendrix was a "phenomenon," he played Gibson electrics nearly exclusively. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050217/bcb60465/attachment.html From jbm90501 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 15:27:57 2005 From: jbm90501 at yahoo.com (James Fox) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:27:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] the timing Message-ID: <20050217202757.43921.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> I think there is a connection between the serious recording of the Robert Johnson songs & 2 other events: The Mayall "reunion" & the Johnson royalties settlement. - Jim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com Thu Feb 17 14:10:13 2005 From: rgreen at innervisionsinternet.com (rgreen@innervisionsinternet.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:59:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 109 Message-ID: <20050217191013.1488.qmail@w13395.hostcentric.net> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. From iampigpen at comcast.net Thu Feb 17 17:31:48 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Thu Feb 17 17:31:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] wish I had a vacation Message-ID: <009601c51540$7b10b570$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. Here's an idea. Whatcha say that on Feb 25th every damn one of us emails him everyday for about a week and let him know "we're in the office"? This is the same guy last year that went on vacation. Let's just hope he only gets one this year! Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050217/3a61b9d7/attachment.html From gwornex at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 18:05:33 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Thu Feb 17 18:05:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD's in the mail Message-ID: <20050217230534.17978.qmail@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> To everyone I sent emails to, you're DVD is on it's way....Look for reoffers in the near future (I hope) Greg w. From crumplers at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 17 18:32:32 2005 From: crumplers at sbcglobal.net (Lucky and Alice Crumpler) Date: Thu Feb 17 18:34:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Maturity References: Message-ID: <002301c51548$f48e4400$1502a8c0@Selma> I have a lot of respect for Delta Nick, having read many of his writings and corresponded with him off the board. He is obviously a huge EC fan and very knowledgeable of EC history and of music in general. That said, I think John Hutchinson makes some excellent points and raises some important issues. I, too, would love to see discussion devoted to some of the 'larger' questions he mentions. Given the breadth of knowledge possessed by the regular contributors to this board, I know I would find such discussions very educational and entertaining. What will be EC's place in the history of the blues? Some critics argue that white men can never be legitimate blues artists...EC speaks to this somewhat when discussing how his voice as a young man was not ready to sing the blues. He has certainly paid some dues and has seen his share of pain and suffering. Are these essential credentials? Is he a true blues artist, or is he simply paying homage to Robert Johnson and the other blues greats he holds in such high esteem? I'm no expert, but I know a lot of you folks are. Let's answer John's call for thoughtful discourse on topics of interest to EC fans. Lucky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hutchinson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:22 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Maturity > I'm tempted to conclude that Delta Nick always has to have the last say... I > think that there is a huge difference in achievement between the first and > second Robert Johnson albums, and it is pretty clear on the DVD that the > band thinks so too. And I'm baffled as to how anybody can watch EC's > performances on 'Sessions for Robert J' (and, for that matter, on the > Crossroads Festival DVD) and not be impressed by his extraordinary emotional > commitment to what he's doing. In any case, perhaps it would be interesting, > in this forum, to discuss some more musical content, instead of getting too > obsessed about Cream tickets and bootlegs? A few possibilities: 'Why is > Robert Johnson so important to EC at this stage of his life?'; ' Does EC > feel that he has a responsibility for the survival of the blues?; 'What > difference has DB made to EC's band?'. 'What was the nature of the musical > relationship between EC and Hendrix? Who influenced whom?'I can think of > many more such issues, but these may be questions that intrigue me - and not > many other people. The psychological stuff was getting interesting - but it > would be great if everybody respected each other's point of view instead of > getting personal about things. > > John > > > From macca461 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 17 18:51:11 2005 From: macca461 at hotmail.com (Jon Maclean) Date: Thu Feb 17 18:52:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Hubert Sumlin CD In-Reply-To: <20050217040648.A658E8D247@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: I just got hold of my copy of Hubert's "About Them Shoes" yesterday and it is a great album. It really highlights Sumlin's great contribution to Howlin' Wolf's sound and shows what an incisive and spirited guitar player Sumlin is. All the tracks are great and none of the guests leap out and overshadow what is simply a well-produced (by Rob Fraboni) Chcago-style blues album. I'd rate it as highly as the Jimmy Rogers 'comeback' effort a couple of years ago "Blues Blues Blues" and all in all I thoroughly recommend it. And by the way Eric Clapton sings and plays on a couple of tracks. Cheers, Jon From whereseric at optonline.net Thu Feb 17 19:11:28 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Thu Feb 17 19:11:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC to be featured on upcoming releases by Miller, Lewis Message-ID: In the coming months, Marcus Miller and rock legend, Jerry Lee Lewis will be releasing new CDs. Eric is slated to appear on both. For more information, including track listing for both albums, please visit www.whereseric.com Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From Cobhome at aol.com Thu Feb 17 21:58:58 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 21:59:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hmmmm....... Message-ID: <68.4fb8d4bf.2f46b3f2@aol.com> Why is Robert Johnson so important to EC at this stage of his life?'; ' Does EC feel that he has a responsibility for the survival of the blues?; 'What difference has DB made to EC's band?'. 'What was the nature of the musical relationship between EC and Hendrix? Who influenced whom?'I can think of many more such issues, but these may be questions that intrigue me - and not many other people. The psychological stuff was getting interesting - but it would be great if everybody respected each other's point of view instead of getting personal about things. I admit to being a complete sucker for these sorts of questions - LOL - I think it is because I was good at essay questions on exams in high school - LOL - Pending whatever ( if anything at all) Nick has to say on the subject - I'd like to offer a different perspective - a complimentary one - that does not negate the other perspectives that have been offered on this - to get to the point ( well - it is an essay question!!) - it seems to me that we are guilty on this list of being somewhat out of touch with a piece of reality - in that - we discuss art and music - and EC's muse and his psychology etc - but we seem to forget that Clapton is a man who makes his living by selling records etc - some portion of EC's motivation has to do with Commerce - and the necessity of finding something that will appeal to his audience and maintain his stature as a wage earning musician - after sooo many records - face it - coming up with the idea for the next one must be getting more difficult - the Johnson cd was not only a project which sums up his life long love of that music and that man - but it also was a way for him to release a cd that will get more attention for that cd than a more typical release ( such as reptile) would get - while we happily give EC credit for his extraordinary talents as a musician - we overlook that part of what it takes to be a chart topper for 40 plus years - is business smarts - EC clearly has that - and his recent affiliations with a number of "commercial" activities demonstrates that - the man wants to make money too - RWTK and FTC were both chart toppers - making it clear to EC that when he does blues - he gets sales - while I am not saying that is his ONLY consideration - I'd bet it is part of it - As for Doyle - I would ask a question - how good has his affiliation with EC been for his career ??? Has it helped or hurt it ??? I also wonder - Doyle is managed by EC's great friend - I forget his name - the same guy who manages Sheryl Crow - and who helped produce the Crossroads DVD - at any rate - I wonder if this is not a part of why Doyle has become the guy EC mentors as opposed to say - Johnny Lang or others ?? As for the difference Doyle has made with the band - don't you think it really pushes EC more into the bandleader role - with Andy gone ?? I have another question - where is Andy ?? What is he up to ?? The man was a major partner in EC's solo career - and he seems to have disappeared without a peep - Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050217/680ee49d/attachment-0001.html From Cobhome at aol.com Thu Feb 17 22:05:23 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 22:05:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hmmm - again..... Message-ID: <66.5124574d.2f46b573@aol.com> The Mayall "reunion" & the Johnson royalties settlement. Jim - that is an intriguing statement - could you say more ??? I forgot to mention in my own post re: commerce and EC's music - that EC tried unsuccessfully - to buy the rights to the songs he recorded on MandMJ - Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050217/3a4e56ae/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Feb 17 22:28:16 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Feb 17 22:28:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC's Place & Other Items Message-ID: <007501c51569$e3e433a0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> What will be EC's place in the history of the blues? Some critics argue >> that white men can never be legitimate blues artists...EC speaks to this >> somewhat when discussing how his voice as a young man was not ready to >> sing the blues. He has certainly paid some dues and has seen his share >> of pain and suffering. Are these essential credentials? Is he a true >> blues artist, or is he simply paying homage to Robert Johnson and the >> other blues greats he holds in such high esteem? << Folks, please read Elijah Wald's "Escaping The Delta: Robert Johnson and the Invention of the Blues" (2003), which puts the ENTIRE picture into perspective. It's an eye-opener of a book. It's finally available in softcover, and includes a CD with two tracks, including the previously unreleased "Traveling Riverside Blues (Version 2)." http://www.elijahwald.com/ The web site also includes references to a CD which explores Robert Johnson's roots, available on Yazoo Records. I have it, and it's EXCELLENT. Don't miss these, if you're really into EC and Robert Johnson. I cannot recommend this book enough. After reading it, you simply won't need to ask those questions again, because they'll no longer exist. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050217/52f8ef93/attachment.html From Slowhandnj at comcast.net Fri Feb 18 01:34:38 2005 From: Slowhandnj at comcast.net (ToeKneeF) Date: Fri Feb 18 01:28:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: DVD Audio Message-ID: <42158C7E.7080806@comcast.net> Simon, I use DVD Audio Ripper. While inexpensive, it is a very full featured, flexible, and easy to use software package. Go to the Imtoo web site for more info................T http://www.imtoo.com/ -- "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" -- recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. From eric.lacroix at free.fr Fri Feb 18 03:11:33 2005 From: eric.lacroix at free.fr (Eric Lacroix) Date: Fri Feb 18 03:11:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] wish I had a vacation Message-ID: <1108714293.4766.3.camel@blackie> > You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services. I > will be out of the office starting Monday Jan. 17th through Firday Jan > 24th. I will respond to you when I return on Tuesday the 25th. If > you need immediate assistance please contact Mike tirozzi at > mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com or call 617.877.0882. Thank you. Path wrote : > Here's an idea. Whatcha say that on Feb 25th every damn one of us > emails him everyday for about a week and let him know "we're in the > office"? This is the same guy last year that went on vacation. > > Let's just hope he only gets one this year! Or maybe we should call 617.877.0882 or send an email to mtirozzi@innervisionsinternet.com for "immediate assistance" ;-) For sending an e-mail, I can do that, and better, automatically without bothering myself everyday to think of that ! Eric. From eric.lacroix at free.fr Fri Feb 18 03:20:27 2005 From: eric.lacroix at free.fr (Eric Lacroix) Date: Fri Feb 18 03:20:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "EC Strated" Message-ID: <1108714827.4766.8.camel@blackie> I love the misspelling "BluesView" has done : > Eric Strated playing a Strat before Jimi became a phenomana EC is Strated, we know that :-D Eric. From john.hutchinson at tcd.ie Fri Feb 18 04:51:35 2005 From: john.hutchinson at tcd.ie (John Hutchinson) Date: Fri Feb 18 04:49:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Thanks Message-ID: A quick note of thanks to everyone who has responded to the questions I raised. Much to think about and to ponder! Incidentally, DeltaNick and I have been having an engaged and friendly debate between ourselves... Keep the ball rolling, everyone! John From trevork1 at iinet.net.au Fri Feb 18 04:52:29 2005 From: trevork1 at iinet.net.au (Trevor) Date: Fri Feb 18 04:52:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Mike Tirozzi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5159f$9034a600$88c13bcb@xp> Hi Tone, Well, I shall go around to the back door at the RAH as I did the same time last year. That time though I had tickets for 4 nights. Can't say that I have much hope this time of getting any seats. Didn't see any trash cans. I will at least buy a few tee shirts for some Slowhand buddies. I will have a good time over there anyway. So, @$&* the scalpers. That clown put out the same messages last year and a lot of people, including myself were really pissed off then. You would think that anyone with half the brain of a goldfish would have remembered the uproar it created then. He obviously holds himself in high esteem. I just feel sorry for the poor lackey that receives the brunt of the abuse. I Hope Mike whatshisname has a sense of humour.. I really did not mean to offend him....honest injun.. (he's probably a very nice guy who needs to hold onto his job just to pay his mortgage whilst Mr Almighty Robert Green is galavanting all over the country on his expense account) And no doubt he was only expecting to do what the Almighty Robert Green instructed. But after this grovelling I still need someone's assistance from InnerVisionsinternet.com to find me some Cream tickets. If Innervisionsinternet.com cannot find me any tickets what sort of an half arsed organisation are they? Al.E.Gator -----Original Message----- From: Shanahan [mailto:Mowdamowda@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 4:44 PM To: trevork1@iinet.net.au Subject: Mike Tirozzi Hey Trevor, I pissed myself laughing at your post. I'm surprised you couldn't hear my guffaws all the way from Sydney. As far as tickets to the Albert Hall go.......what if he can only get trashcan seating? Cheers Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 From dermotorirl at aol.com Fri Feb 18 06:50:32 2005 From: dermotorirl at aol.com (Dermot O'Reilly) Date: Fri Feb 18 06:50:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric on an old Chas and Dave TV show? Message-ID: <4215D688.3010407@aol.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050218/760cd187/attachment.html From tonyblakwindsor at hotmail.com Fri Feb 18 08:55:43 2005 From: tonyblakwindsor at hotmail.com (anthony blak) Date: Fri Feb 18 08:57:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Texas Cream Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050218/db4a13db/attachment-0001.html From cdonatto at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 11:12:08 2005 From: cdonatto at yahoo.com (Cheryl Donatto) Date: Fri Feb 18 11:12:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Auto Reply - No EC content Message-ID: <20050218161208.25193.qmail@web54404.mail.yahoo.com> Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:31:48 -0500 From: "Pat Toth" Subject: [Slowhand] wish I had a vacation To: Message-ID: <009601c51540$7b10b570$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You have reached Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services>>> <> Pat... Here's an idea... stop complaining about the auto responses and then there would be even less wasted space on the Digest??? Cheryl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From PtTuller at aol.com Fri Feb 18 12:20:56 2005 From: PtTuller at aol.com (PtTuller@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 18 12:21:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Complaint about auto reply complaints Message-ID: <360CC1BA.4ABB021C.008066E0@aol.com> Cheryl, stop complaining about Pat's complaints about the auto reply messages. You are wasting space on the digest. Now, someone please complain about my complaint and we can keep this going in a very Pythonesque manner, copy the whole series of complaints and send them to Rob at Innervision after he returns from his lengthy vacation! How's that sound? Patrick From mosersfamily at onlinehome.de Fri Feb 18 12:22:18 2005 From: mosersfamily at onlinehome.de (mosersfamily) Date: Fri Feb 18 12:23:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff DVD reoffer In-Reply-To: <20050214164032.ABD7A8CABF@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Hi all, thanks to Dustin Valentino I can reoffer the Cardiff DVD to 3 other slowhanders. If interested please send a mail with your adress to mosersfamily@onlinehome.de Good Luck Thomas From ollio at mbnet.fi Fri Feb 18 15:17:36 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Fri Feb 18 15:14:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Auto reply thread References: <20050218170004.286208D1EE@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <000901c515f6$e6f5be50$23e9c551@ollionkone> Hi all, Please don't stop this thread! I think the auto reply thread has been one of the most intelligent threads on this digest for a long time (well, anyway if compared to the usual Fender vs. Gibson, Fire vs. Auto-Pilot or Passion vs. Mature -threads). And yes, I'm certainly one of the most guilty ones for these cliched and boring debates on EC's musical history, that usually end up as accusations on personal tastes of Slowhanders. I think we all love the music of EC and that's great. Keep on growing and maturing.... Olli (the original solo-Clapton fan) From blues4jr at aol.com Fri Feb 18 15:57:07 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 18 15:57:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Jimi and Cream Message-ID: <4CAC5C21.69D2BD2E.00955D93@aol.com> Just listened to "Sunshine of Your Love" Jimi Hendrix jamming with Jack Bruce on 10/17/68 - 9 tracks. Cream played The Forum in Inglewood on 10/18/68 while Jimi played Whisky a-go-go on the same night; Graham Bond accompanied Jimi on organ. So, it looks like the night before there was a little jam session. The boot credits Jack, Jimi, Buddy Miles and Jim McCarty. Wonder who else was actually present - maybe EC? By the way, my opinion only, the 9 tracks on "Sunshine of Your Love" is some of the most horrific recordings I have ever heard. It is a SB6 - what I am saying is they sound terrible together. Bubby Miles tried his damnedest to lay down great beats, but the all together - ugh... John From Mowdamowda at hotmail.com Fri Feb 18 16:26:46 2005 From: Mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Fri Feb 18 16:27:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Auto responses Message-ID: Pat... I have an even better idea. Complain as much as you like. It certainly isn't as annoying as opening a digest with only one message, complaining about you complaining. (???) ? Tone <> Pat... Here's an idea... stop complaining about the auto responses and then there would be even less wasted space on the Digest??? Cheryl -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 From turbineltd at btconnect.com Fri Feb 18 17:37:08 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Fri Feb 18 17:34:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric Clapton to headline Glastonbury 2007! Message-ID: <001301c5160a$6185a640$0100a8c0@dellws410> Eric Clapton to headline Glasto 2007! Virtual Festivals - London,England,UK Eric Clapton has been confirmed to play at the 2007 Glastonbury Festival, organiser Michael Eavis revealed this week - and it's definitely White Stripes ... http://www.virtualfestivals.com/festivals/article.cfm?articleid=1640 From Cobhome at aol.com Sat Feb 19 02:06:25 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 19 02:06:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Message-ID: <1d9.36dad4a6.2f483f71@aol.com> Doyle is going to appear with Cream ??? Well - IMHO - then this is not a Cream reunion - and begs the query - doesn't EC think he can carry it on his own?? Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050219/cff63259/attachment.html From pjones at doodlesite.com Sat Feb 19 02:21:16 2005 From: pjones at doodlesite.com (Phil Jones) Date: Sat Feb 19 02:21:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Confirmed for Glastonbury 2007 Message-ID: <000e01c51653$9a368c90$0200a8c0@debslong> I know it's a long way off but : http://www.virtualfestivals.com/festivals/article.cfm?articleid=1640 EC at Glastonbury, I never thought of that one! From Paulezyrider at aol.com Sat Feb 19 08:15:25 2005 From: Paulezyrider at aol.com (Paulezyrider@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 19 08:15:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] a big thanks..... Message-ID: <8a.2100bfc8.2f4895ed@aol.com> COULD i pass on a big thanks, domo arigatto, + muchas gracies to jon for the Paris D.V.D ( fanatstic pics of his beautifull country, also).....in reply to people out there looking for art work for the cover..stop being so lazy and get creative and make your own, surely you know the tracks ? with the amount of great eric pics about , by people who do make the effort to take them at gis etc,for us all so stop wanting everything put on a plate for you and get working, we all now how easy it is, then share your creation with other fans.......Paul...................... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050219/714da6f7/attachment.html From bluez4u2 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 12:38:05 2005 From: bluez4u2 at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Sat Feb 19 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 In-Reply-To: <20050219170003.595858C3D2@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050219173805.94113.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> No this is a mistake. Doyle's website has not been updated for a few months and the tour dates just have a link directly to Clapton's Pollstar dates. Since last years dates no longer apply, it is showing this years dates. Doyle is working on a new solo CD and is currently doing some Texas dates with his old band the Arc Angels which includes Charlie Sexton and Chris Layton and Tommy Shannon. --- slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: > > From: Cobhome@aol.com > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > > Doyle is going to appear with Cream ??? Well - IMHO - > then this is not a > Cream reunion - and begs the query - doesn't EC think he > can carry it on his > own?? > > Cecelia > ===== Emin Boztepe Martial Arts-Austin Metro Applied Wing Tzun (Wing Chun) Kung Fu Practical self-defense training http://www.awtk.us (512) 970-8392 From boultonaj at hotmail.com Sat Feb 19 14:13:10 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Sat Feb 19 14:14:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cream Message-ID: I think what it means, Cecilia, is that the concert will not be entirely the three Cream members, but maybe there will be sections of the show when Eric plays stuff other than from Cream days. Maybe even Wonderful Tonight? ;) Tony < To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:06 AM Doyle is going to appear with Cream ??? Well - IMHO - then this is not a Cream reunion - and begs the query - doesn't EC think he can carry it on his own?? Cecelia >> From darmel at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 19 14:51:35 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Sat Feb 19 14:51:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re:Cream Message-ID: <20050219195135.93263.qmail@web81702.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Cecelia for bringing this question to light for discussion: regarding the impending Cream performances at RAH - "should the band be just the original members or embellished?" My first reaction would be that the performances should be the three original members if for no other reason than for authenticity. I have been listening to quite a bit of Cream lately (thanks Bob). I am contemporary to that time; I was a freshman at Bradley when "Fresh Cream" was new. My personal opinion - I like the music and would characterize it as "raw and earthy." It feels a bit 'dated' at times (perhaps the extensive use of wah-wah) and a little crude at times (Jack's vocals mostly). At the time of 1967, the work/sound was certainly "new and unique;" yet, it was based largely on blues standards (like "Spoonful"). There are certainly times in the boots that I have been listening to when EC's guitar work was "edgy and taxed." Without a second guitarman (like DB), it was plainly audible when EC struggled. I like hearing what I characterize as "struggle" because he always found a way out and there was emotion (sweat) in that struggle, but - - - EC (today) might not be comfortable portraying that "struggle" for the whole world to hear. I think that much the same could be said for Jack's vocals. There were times in the performances I heard when I cringed as bit at the vocals (thin and off-key) - even with the addition of EC's harmony. I heard Jack perform a few years ago in collaboration with ToddR et al, and he was GREAT (at the time I wrote a brief review in the SHD and encourage everyone to see the show - A Beatles tribute). If Jack is in the same form as then, we are all in for a treat. Back to the original question: should the band perform at RAH this spring as the original trio? My preference would be "yes," but I would add this. If a second guitar were to be added, I can't think of a better choice than DB based on the work he did on the last tour. As a trio, it will be quite the chore for Eric but nothing that he couldn't handle. He just might not be comfortable with the risk and edginess involved; DB would provide ample cover and fill if necessary and a bigger sound. As for the vocals, I think that EC and JB can pull that job off quite well. Eric today is many times the vocalist he was with Cream, and if Jack is as good as he was when I last saw him, these will be great shows. The one danger I could see is that "Cream" the legend in many people's minds is greater than than it really was in reality and that it will be a big chore to live up to that ideal. Hmmm, like many things I can think of... It is, certainly, a good question for discussion with no right or wrong answers. Cheers all, Mel Boss >Cecelia wrote: >Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:06:25 EST >From: Cobhome@aol.com >Subject: [Slowhand] Cream >To: slowhand@planet-torque.com >Message-ID: <1d9.36dad4a6.2f483f71@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Doyle is going to appear with Cream ??? Well - IMHO - then this is not a >Cream reunion - and begs the query - doesn't EC think he can carry it on his >own?? > >Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050219/e41f816a/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 14:56:37 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sat Feb 19 14:56:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The Last Rehearsal - artwork Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050219115651c78b7d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, does anyone have artwork for "The Last Rehearsal" (From The Cradle Tour rehearsals), recorded at Manhattan Center Studios, NYC on September 28th, 1994? Thanks Gaetano From jbm90501 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 15:53:30 2005 From: jbm90501 at yahoo.com (James Fox) Date: Sat Feb 19 15:53:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] timing of R.J. recordings Message-ID: <20050219205330.89505.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com> In thinking about the Robert Johnson sessions I've thought there may have been several motivations that brought it all about. In addition to the good points mentioned by others I think the Mayall gig got Eric thinking more about guitar lines played in the context of blues "standards". Some of that due to the fine playing of one Mr. Taylor. Also, wasn't there a ruling where a blood relationship was recognized by a court & this put somebody in a possition the receive some nice royalties? Maybe having money channeled back to "family" sat well in a decision to go commercial with the songs. - Jim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Mowdamowda at hotmail.com Sat Feb 19 16:31:35 2005 From: Mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Sat Feb 19 16:31:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream question Message-ID: Hi all, I bought Goodbye Cream when it was released in '69. It has always had several plays a year, so I am very familiar with all the tracks. Well I thought so until last night. I was always under the impression that Jack was lead singer on most of the Cream songs, exceptions being Four Until Late, Strange Brew, Sunshine, World Of Pain, Outside Woman Blues, Anyone For Tennis, Badge and of course Crossroads "Eric Clapton please, the vocal". But last night for the first time, I'm embarrassed to say, while listening to "What A Bringdown" it sounds like Eric on lead vocal right up to Jack's "There's a tealeaf about in the family" Can anyone shed any light? Cheers Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.0.0 - Release Date: 18/02/2005 From jbroholm at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 19 17:51:58 2005 From: jbroholm at sbcglobal.net (John Broholm) Date: Sat Feb 19 17:51:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 In-Reply-To: <20050219170002.B850A8C35B@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050219225158.30662.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> Consider it done. The only question is, have I wasted enough space? -- JB > > Cheryl, stop complaining about Pat's complaints > about the auto reply messages. You are wasting space > on the digest. > > Now, someone please complain about my complaint... From mangs88 at verizon.net Sat Feb 19 19:37:26 2005 From: mangs88 at verizon.net (sam mangano) Date: Sat Feb 19 19:37:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream References: <1d9.36dad4a6.2f483f71@aol.com> Message-ID: <009801c516e4$5b12f210$2d01a8c0@Family> i would guess for the exhorbitant prices, they would at least have an opening act (doyles band). i highly doubt doyle is playing with cream while they are onstage..... out sam ----- Original Message ----- From: Cobhome@aol.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:06 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Doyle is going to appear with Cream ??? Well - IMHO - then this is not a Cream reunion - and begs the query - doesn't EC think he can carry it on his own?? Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050219/7ffe0c10/attachment.html From ollio at mbnet.fi Sun Feb 20 04:13:25 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Sun Feb 20 04:10:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Cream question (Ginger on vocals, please) Message-ID: <000801c5172c$6fa102b0$23e9c551@ollionkone> Hi all, In fact it's Ginger Baker, who does the lead vocals on What A Bringdown from Goodbye album, Jack does the "There's a tealeaf about in the family" -part and I think they all sing on the last verse? Ginger's vocals can be heard also on Blue Condition from Disraeli Gears and a proto-rap on Pressed Rat and Warthog from Wheel of Fire (my personal favourite of Cream songs). Ginger sang also backing vocals on much of the Cream's studio stuff and can be heard trying to stay in tune on some concert bootlegs (NSU and Sweet Wine).' Keep on Growin' Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050220/08a12fcd/attachment-0001.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 20 05:44:28 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Sun Feb 20 05:45:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] cream has to be 3 piece In-Reply-To: <20050220091040.539548CFB8@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: IMO, If I paid to see the Cream reuinion and it was more than just the three of them on stage, I'd demand a refund. Having said that it wouldn't surprise me if Eric employed his backup singers, a 2ndguitarist or even gasp, a keyboards guy for at least one of the nights. I don't know.. I guess nothing surprises me, but I would hope for the sake of the authenticity and their reputations, they wouldn't have anyone else on stage just the three of them, kicking some major ass. From Garret74 at aol.com Sun Feb 20 06:17:36 2005 From: Garret74 at aol.com (Garret74@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 20 06:17:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] What a Bringdown... Message-ID: ****ut last night for the first time, I'm embarrassed to say, while listening to "What A Bringdown" it sounds like Eric on lead vocal right up to Jack's "There's a tealeaf about in the family" Can anyone shed any light?**** Indeed, Eric is the lead singer on the song. Jack sings the bridge... Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050220/0617ec3c/attachment.html From Mowdamowda at hotmail.com Sun Feb 20 06:39:31 2005 From: Mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Sun Feb 20 06:39:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Ginger on vocals? Message-ID: Hi Olli, With all due respect, I hope the "fact" which backs up your argument isn't the Goodbye liner credits. If you had said Felix Pappalardi on lead vocals, L'Angelo Mysterioso on lead vocals, or even Robert Stigwood on lead vocals there may have been a slim chance that it was possible. There is absolutely no way Ginger could possibly stay in tune, in pitch and have the range to deliver lead vocals on What A Bringdown. I admit he does take lead on a one line, stretching it perhaps two, but that's all. Backing vocals, sure. I'm a big Ginger Baker fan, and have stacks of his CDs and a few videos of concerts with Airforce, Baker - Gurvitz, and with Charlie Haden and Bill Frisell, and of course the Farewell Concert from '68. I know his voice. If you listen to Ginger singing Blue Condition and then play Eric's version you'll see it's chalk(farm) and cheese. The vocals are so good on Bringdown it HAS to be either Jack or Eric. Could I really be THAT wrong after all these years? Could Gibson really be better than Fender? Will the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra join Steve Winwood, Doyle, AFL and Jon Hiseman when they back up Cream in May? Tone Hi all, In fact it's Ginger Baker, who does the lead vocals on What A Bringdown from Goodbye album, Jack does the "There's a tealeaf about in the family" -part and I think they all sing on the last verse? Ginger's vocals can be heard also on Blue Condition from Disraeli Gears and a proto-rap on Pressed Rat and Warthog from Wheel of Fire (my personal favourite of Cream songs). Ginger sang also backing vocals on much of the Cream's studio stuff and can be heard trying to stay in tune on some concert bootlegs (NSU and Sweet Wine).' Keep on Growin' Olli -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/2005 From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 07:29:02 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sun Feb 20 07:29:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Chas and Dave? Message-ID: <20050220122902.39595.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone recall Eric on a Chas & Dave show back in the early eighties? I saw it one it was on but love to see it again. Anyone got video file to download? ---------------- http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/chas-and-dave-vcd.htm Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From mosersfamily at onlinehome.de Sun Feb 20 07:53:11 2005 From: mosersfamily at onlinehome.de (mosersfamily) Date: Sun Feb 20 07:54:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Winners In-Reply-To: <20050220091040.E917F8CFC0@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Hi, The Tsunami DVD goes to Joan Kovacs, New Yersey Etienne Genaux, France Thomas Bauman, Texas Ressed if you can Tom From ollio at mbnet.fi Sun Feb 20 08:36:52 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Sun Feb 20 08:34:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Refunds and re-opinions Message-ID: <000c01c51751$3eb1d9c0$23e9c551@ollionkone> Hi all, First of all, I must admit once again I was totally wrong claiming that Ginger Baker was The Lead Singer on What a Bringdown, it was so many years I hadn't listened to it and just had a memory of Ginger "singing" on that track. Yes, it's Eric, who does most of the lead vocals. But "luckily" Ginger's vocal talents can be heard on several Cream tracks, for instance on Mother's Lament, the psychedelic masterful opus on Disraeli Gears. In fact I like so much Ginger's Pressed Rat and Warthog, that I'll demand refund of the Cream tickets, if Ginger doesn't do it during the Cream reunion gigs at RAH. (Well, of course first I should get the tickets for which I can demand refund) ;*) Keep on growin' Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050220/110d6f81/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Sun Feb 20 10:08:10 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sun Feb 20 10:08:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cream Message-ID: <002901c5175d$ff283670$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I have been listening to quite a bit of Cream lately ... There are >> certainly times ... when EC's guitar work was "edgy and taxed." Without a >> second guitarman (like DB), it was plainly audible when EC struggled. I >> like hearing what I characterize as "struggle" because he always found a >> way out and there was emotion (sweat) in that struggle, but - - - EC >> (today) might not be comfortable portraying that "struggle" for the whole >> world to hear ... Back to the original question: should the band perform >> at RAH this spring as the original trio? My preference would be "yes" ... >> As a trio, it will be quite the chore for Eric but ... he ... just might >> not be comfortable with the risk and edginess involved. << Good write-up, Mel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050220/3f435c7e/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Sun Feb 20 10:24:25 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sun Feb 20 10:24:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cream Message-ID: <004501c51760$446535b0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> it wouldn't surprise me if Eric employed his backup singers, a >> 2ndguitarist or even gasp, a keyboards guy for at least one of the >> nights. << Maybe Simon Climie can make a cameo appearance with drum machine! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050220/fd74cd4d/attachment-0001.html From joeyjay at att.net Sun Feb 20 12:20:05 2005 From: joeyjay at att.net (joeyjay@att.net) Date: Sun Feb 20 12:20:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream with DB ??? Message-ID: <022020051720.5328.4218C6C500001BF8000014D02160376021970E06970A0106@att.net> Doyle B with Cream......YUCK !!! I hope that doesn't happen ! Personally, I rather just see Jack, Ginger and Eric, but if there had to be guests......I would have liked to see Felix Pappalardi for part of the night and George Harrison (to guest on Badge).....of course George and Felix are no longer with us......the only supporting guitarist I'd vote for is Steve Winwood....... Cheers, Jay From Cobhome at aol.com Sun Feb 20 13:03:01 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 20 13:03:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <15b.4b1a9e32.2f4a2ad5@aol.com> Interesting remarks from everyone - a few comments - Tony - I suspect if Eric Clapton at any point in this Cream reunion - sings wonderful tonight - he will be booed - again - people are not paying 3,000 a ticket - to see even a "mini" Ec concert - and frankly - it would be insulting to the other members of Cream - I think part of the cache of Cream - the whole supergroup thing - was that these were three musicians of equal ability - talent - whatever - and while at this point in time - they are no longer equals in terms of commercial considerations - listening to Jack and Ginger's less commercially successful recent releases - they are still equals in talent - and I really do not see Clapton - failing to respect that this is a venture of three equal partners - I believe Sam is right - at best - Doyle will be the opening act - a position I would not envy him - lol - I really doubt this event will be even an attempt at "duplicating" original Cream - but rather - a "picking up" from the point they disbanded - and incorporating who each of them is now as a musician - if EC is no longer a musician who can manage - as some suggest - what he originally did in Cream - well he can bring his other strengths to this music - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050220/79a86514/attachment.html From iampigpen at comcast.net Sun Feb 20 13:07:54 2005 From: iampigpen at comcast.net (Pat Toth) Date: Sun Feb 20 13:08:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 References: <20050219225158.30662.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08e501c51777$1d316290$23e42f44@ec8x1kiczpwoih> Not at all John You have 3 or 4 more paragraphs to go. That is unless you want me to go on a rant! Already been kicked off one club this weekend Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Broholm" To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 > Consider it done. The only question is, have I wasted > enough space? -- JB > >> >> Cheryl, stop complaining about Pat's complaints >> about the auto reply messages. You are wasting space >> on the digest. >> >> Now, someone please complain about my complaint... > > From Cobhome at aol.com Sun Feb 20 13:15:02 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 20 13:15:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Wicked!! Message-ID: <191.395db4c0.2f4a2da6@aol.com> Maybe Simon Climie can make a cameo appearance with drum machine! Tom Dowd would be rolling over in his grave LOL I could deal with Winwood being there much better than Doyle - at least Winwood shares a history with these guys - and that era - and IMHO - is equal to their talent - I am also glad to hear Doyle is working with Charlie Sexton again - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050220/034a1206/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Feb 20 15:16:58 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Feb 20 15:17:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] cream has to be 3 piece References: Message-ID: <00d501c51789$220db810$5d8c29d8@Kelly> I completely agree. I just want the original members of Cream or it isn't a Cream reunion. Back-up singers? That would be the worst of all things mentioned. Kelly -------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Apurva Parikh" To: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 4:44 AM Subject: [Slowhand] cream has to be 3 piece > IMO, If I paid to see the Cream reuinion and it was more than just the > three of them on stage, I'd demand a refund. > > Having said that it wouldn't surprise me if Eric employed his backup > singers, a 2ndguitarist or even gasp, a keyboards guy for at least one of > the nights. > > I don't know.. I guess nothing surprises me, but I would hope for the sake > of the authenticity and their reputations, they wouldn't have anyone else > on stage just the three of them, kicking some major ass. > > > > From vdv64 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 02:01:43 2005 From: vdv64 at yahoo.com (PM) Date: Mon Feb 21 02:01:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami DVD (Jools Holland w/ EC) offer In-Reply-To: <20050220152434.A787F8D0EA@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050221070143.64468.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, a friendly member of the digest sent me a copy of this DVD. Accidentally I deleted the announcing mail, so I can't name it. Thank you very much anyway ! Devil never sleeps, the package went obviously first to Australia - next door, I'm living in Austria ;-)The senders addy is unreadable because of the notes made by confused postmen on the the package. Anyway, it arrived, again thank you very much indeed to the sender. And of course I'll offer a copy of this DVD to three others (two with burner to reoffer) here in the digest. Kind regards. Peter ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 250MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 21 05:08:26 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (Simon George) Date: Mon Feb 21 05:08:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Am I just being pessimistic? Message-ID: <008001c517fd$5007a450$bc24ff3e@main> Maybe it's just me, but Eric's career choices of late seem to be pointing in one direction. He always said he wanted to record a RJ tribute, reviving Cream has been thrown around as idea since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, playing with John Mayall again and now Glastonbury, which is one thing he's never done, couple this with a new young family and the approach of the big 60 next month, and am sorry to say but to me, this looks like a man checking off the last few things he wants to do in his career before retireing. Heres hoping I'm wrong and he'll take a lead from his blues idols and go on for many years yet!! Simon -------------- next part -------------- Conte
Maybe it's just me, but Eric's career = choices of=20 late seem to be pointing in one direction.
He always said he wanted to record a RJ = tribute,=20 reviving Cream has been thrown around as idea since the Rock and Roll = Hall of=20 Fame, playing with John Mayall again and now Glastonbury, which is one = thing=20 he's never done, couple this with a new young family and the approach of = the big=20 60 next month, and am sorry to say but to me, this looks like a man = checking off=20 the last few things he wants to do in his career before = retireing.
Heres hoping I'm wrong and he'll take a = lead from=20 his blues idols and go on for many years yet!!
 
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From oleax at vip.cybercity.dk Mon Feb 21 05:34:00 2005 From: oleax at vip.cybercity.dk (Ole Axelsen) Date: Mon Feb 21 05:34:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric at the Cardiff Tsunami Benefit Offer Message-ID: Dear All, Thanks to a generous slowhander (Jane N.) I am lucky to have received a copy of Eric's performance at Cardiff on dvd+r and cdr. I will have five copies of both discs - they come as a set - to send out to five people who want them. Please send your name, address and promise to pass on to five other slowhand list members if interested. All the best Ole Axelsen DVD set list Jools Holland with the Rhythm and Blues Orchestra 1. Tuxedo Junction 2. Count Me In Eric Clapton 3. Reconsider Baby 4. Little Queen Of Spades 5. Willie and the Hand Jive 6. Everyday I Have The Blues 7. Love Her With A Feeling Encore All Artists 8. Shake, Rattle and Roll CD set list Jools Holland with the Rhythm and Blues Orchestra 1. Count Me In Eric Clapton 2. Reconsider Baby 3. Little Queen Of Spades 4. Willie and the Hand Jive 5. Everyday I Have The Blues 6. Love Her With A Feeling Encore All Artists 7. Shake, Rattle and Roll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050221/394394ba/attachment-0001.html From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Mon Feb 21 06:49:49 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Mon Feb 21 06:49:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 Message-ID: Hi folks, Just to say that, thanks to Mark, the Paris 2004 DVD will be available to download on eMule this week. Oh, if you want the artwork of the DVD, go to www.dvdboots.com Cheers,Etienne From michael.reinberger at youthode.com Mon Feb 21 08:47:54 2005 From: michael.reinberger at youthode.com (Reinberger, Michael) Date: Mon Feb 21 08:47:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer: Paris DVD Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050221/619531fa/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Feb 21 10:00:31 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Mon Feb 21 10:00:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pessimistic? Maybe Message-ID: <000e01c51826$17d86a50$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Maybe it's just me, but Eric's career choices of late seem to be pointing >> in one direction. He always said he wanted to record a RJ tribute, reviving Cream has been thrown around as idea since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, playing with John Mayall again and now Glastonbury, which is one thing he's never done, couple this with a new young family and the approach of the big 60 next month, and am sorry to say but to me, this looks like a man checking off the last few things he wants to do in his career before retireing. << There's no Glastonbury Festival in 2006, so EC has agreeed to appear at Glastonbury 2007. 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050221/45c8275f/attachment.html From boultonaj at hotmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:42:15 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Mon Feb 21 11:43:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: WT Message-ID: It was a joke, of course. ;) T From: To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:03 PM Interesting remarks from everyone - a few comments - Tony - I suspect if Eric Clapton at any point in this Cream reunion - sings wonderful tonight - he will be booed - again - people are not paying 3,000 a ticket - to see even a "mini" Ec concert - and frankly - it would be insulting to the other members of Cream - I think part of the cache of Cream - the whole supergroup thing - was that these were three musicians of equal ability - talent - whatever - and while at this point in time - they are no longer equals in terms of commercial considerations - listening to Jack and Ginger's less commercially successful recent releases - they are still equals in talent - and I really do not see Clapton - failing to respect that this is a venture of three equal partners - From desosa at fiat.com Mon Feb 21 12:05:35 2005 From: desosa at fiat.com (FERNANDEZ de SOSA Juan Manuel) Date: Mon Feb 21 12:02:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff DVD offer closed Message-ID: <6754CD43E415D411B32E00508B6D28D203D7419A@ex1madntd01.its.it> The copies of the Cardiff DVD will go to: Eric Lacroix Roberto Sasso Gregg Eisen Peter Monk Wait for new offers in this digest. Regards, Juanma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050221/f87054a8/attachment.html From adijo at comcast.net Mon Feb 21 12:55:40 2005 From: adijo at comcast.net (aj) Date: Mon Feb 21 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric at the Cardiff Tsunami Benefit Offer Message-ID: <002401c5183e$8effb990$f26f8318@addie> Thanks to Dusty V. I can offer 3 copies of this fine DVD. Since there are so many floating around the universe, if I could limit the copies to the US and Canada that would be great. Otherwise any takers are welcome. Addie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050221/2ac979c2/attachment.html From claffy1 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 21:34:00 2005 From: claffy1 at yahoo.com (Carol Lafferty) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:34:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] This is February, correct? Message-ID: <20050222023400.36719.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Robert Green of InnerVisions Internet Services! Isn’t this February? Monday the 17th was in January. Firday was not the 24th, or any other date that I know of. Your message is stale. I know I’m correct because EC and I will soon turn 60: in less than 2 weeks for me and EC 26 days later. And Mike Tirozzi, add 2 tickets for me for each day to Trevor’s request. That’d be a fantastic b-day present for this sexagenarian! I’ve just come home to 5 days-worth of SD Digests after surgery, so my message may also be stale. I just know I was seeing Mr. Green’s message before I went in and again when I got out, and Trevor’s message was rich. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050222/281d4d56/attachment.html From adijo at comcast.net Tue Feb 22 15:37:20 2005 From: adijo at comcast.net (aj) Date: Tue Feb 22 15:37:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff Tsunami DVD CLOSED Message-ID: <004701c5191e$4e704120$f26f8318@addie> Whew what a response.....Here goes, everyone else please wait for new offers. Richard - Webster NY Ron - Fairfax Station Kris - Encinatas Jeremy - (area 615) need your email addy Susan - Macon Daniel - Shelbyville Will get them off ASAP Addie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050222/9d010d87/attachment.html From gwornex at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 18:15:56 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Tue Feb 22 18:15:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Who plays with CREAM?? Message-ID: <20050222231557.61354.qmail@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> As a possessor of many CREAM boots myself, and a huge fan of that band ,I thought Mel was 'spot on' on his comments regarding the original CREAM performances... I would hate to see a second guitarist in the Albert Hall performances also,,,,It would be like a Creedence Clearwater reunion without John Fogerty.....(wait they already did that:)) But seriously, I don't think CREAM will need a second guitarist 'cause I don't see them attempting a 16 min. NSU, or doing any of long solo setpieces in the first place...But I think that will be a good thing, as the shorter versions from the band's early period were superior, by and large, to what came after the autumn '67 tour......... g.w. From joe_rigg at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 12:33:28 2005 From: joe_rigg at hotmail.com (Joe Rigg) Date: Wed Feb 23 00:33:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Reunion Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have thoroughly enjoyed the discussion with regards to the upcoming Cream reunion, and thought I would share a few of my thoughts. When I first read on the digest, people musing about who would be the second guitarist and keyboards player, I was completely taken aback. The idea of Cream re-forming as anything other than the original line-up of Ginger, Jack and Eric is absurd. I was fortunate enough to get tickets for two nights, and bought the tickets, like most others, on the assumption that I would be seeing Cream. Anything but a three-piece show is not Cream, and that includes Steve Winwood. Whilst I appreciate that Eric's current mode of playing is not suited to the style of Cream back in the day, I would rather hear him struggling, being stretched and making mistakes in a trio format, than hear him in his comfort zone, with Doyle, or, heaven forbid, AFL providing some kind of safety net. I also believe that having a second guitarist involved would have a catastrophic affect on EC's reputation, far more severe than what might ensue if he played badly in a trio. After all, a large part of his reputation is based on his work with Cream, and adding Doyle, or whoever, would provide ample ammunition to the folk who love to deride Eric as a "has been", or "irrelevant". I am confident that Eric is aware of this, and will not call on the services of an extra guitarist. In addition, as odd as it seems after all these years, he is back in a band scenario, where the decisions will be made accordingly. I cannot imagine that musicians of the calibre of Jack and Ginger would be happy with the notion that they need a "helping hand" from a fourth party, and they will have a say in it to some degree. Another thing that amused me was the fact that some people still seem to write Eric off as a musician. I read that Marcus Miller stated that lots of people went to see the Legends perform to watch Eric fall on his face, and did he? Did he hell! He was pushed by musicians at least his equal, and produced some of his most interesting playing in years. So, I would not jump to the conclusion that he will not be able to perform as part of a trio. Indeed, with Jack and Ginger pushing him, we might get to witness some real fiery stuff that we know he is capable of. As for the material, I am pretty sure we will get a greatest hits show of sorts, but probably more focussed than when they were younger. I doubt we will get extended improvisation in the middle of everything, but maybe they will stretch one of the numbers out to about ten minutes, Spoonful? I think anything longer than that would have to be done on a number more akin to the Legends stuff, where they jammed around chord changes to keep it interesting i.e. some new material. I doubt we will get Stepping Out or Traintime, but these could well be replaced by one of EC's songs and one of Jack's. I cannot help thinking they will do the VH-1 Dr. John version of Layla, with a tasty instrumental section in the middle! A Jack song could be Life On Earth - a great song for a trio. I think that any extended improvisation will be done in a style more akin to the Legends material, where the jamming is done over chord changes, not just one chord like they used to do. Obviously, this would imply new material, but everything Jack has ever said about a reunion has indicated that the challenge would be coming up with material as good as the original stuff, so expect some new stuff! They will probably do some new blues songs that Eric is familiar with, but whether they revamp old tunes in the same manner as they did with Crossroads who knows... So there you have it. I hope that Steve Winwood is at the shows, watching with the rest of us, tied to his seat in the stalls, and that Jack, Eric and Ginger further enhance the reputation of Cream, and as individual musicians. p.s. for the doubters, listen to the version of Crossroads from the rehearsals for the '93 reunion - they still have it! Here's hoping we get to see it....Hello everyone, From vdv64 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 09:22:39 2005 From: vdv64 at yahoo.com (PM) Date: Wed Feb 23 09:22:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami Relief offer In-Reply-To: <20050221103403.53F338CD5B@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050223142240.11011.qmail@web60304.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, just prepared two discs to send out tomorrow. Not more requests so far = one spot still open The copies go to: Fred in Germany Lia in Italy (burnerless) Kind regards. Peter ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 250MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From rdh at optimum-power.com Wed Feb 23 10:54:09 2005 From: rdh at optimum-power.com (Roy D. Houston) Date: Wed Feb 23 10:54:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami *NTSC* and companion CD offer Message-ID: <1B5020F2D5CDC641ACF55BB56CAACC200251F5@OPTMSG01.optimum-power.com> Hello all, With thanks to Jane Newell, I can re-offer the Tsunami DVD and companion CD back to the list. As there is a good many of the PAL DVD offers already outstanding, I have converted the PAL to NTSC (maintaining all menus and chapter points) for the folks in the US...:) I will take the first two to respond with the promise to re-offer to the group. please email me privately at rdh@optimum-power.com -Roy From mrnybluesman at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 12:31:51 2005 From: mrnybluesman at yahoo.com (Richie) Date: Wed Feb 23 12:31:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] cardiff dvd Message-ID: <20050223173151.72878.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to Jane I have the Cardiff dvd..unfortunately it is in pal format and my dvd won't play it. Anyone who can use it please E-mail me and I will send it out. It is only the one copy as I am dvd burnerless. Also thanks to Jane I have the Cardiff cd..and that I can copy. Anyone who needs please send me an E-mail. Richie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mrnybluesman at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 12:34:20 2005 From: mrnybluesman at yahoo.com (Richie) Date: Wed Feb 23 12:34:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream ticket Message-ID: <20050223173420.33442.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Figured it is worth a shot..I am seeking a single Cream ticket for the Friday May 6th show. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Richie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From mpkotek at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 13:13:01 2005 From: mpkotek at hotmail.com (Margaret P. Kotek) Date: Wed Feb 23 13:14:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tickets to Cream Re-Union In-Reply-To: <20050223171502.BA4D78C251@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Anyone - Is it naive to wonder if it is possible to get 2 tickets to one of the four shows - any day? My partner has only been to one concert in his life (currently 51 years) and that was Cream! I would love to be able to surprise him. Peggy >From: slowhand-request@planet-torque.com >Reply-To: slowhand@planet-torque.com >To: slowhand@planet-torque.com >Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 119 >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:15:02 -0500 (EST) > >Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. dvd tsunami closed (John Lesage) > 2. Cardiff Tsunami DVD CLOSED (aj) > 3. Who plays with CREAM?? (Greg Wenker) > 4. Cream Reunion (Joe Rigg) > 5. Tsunami Relief offer (PM) > 6. Tsunami *NTSC* and companion CD offer (Roy D. Houston) ><< message5.txt >> ><< message9.txt >> ><< message13.txt >> ><< message15.txt >> ><< message17.txt >> ><< message19.txt >> >_______________________________________________ >Slowhand mailing list >Slowhand@planet-torque.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand From g.reen at comcast.net Thu Feb 24 01:14:09 2005 From: g.reen at comcast.net (Green) Date: Thu Feb 24 01:14:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tokyo - Seattle - Cream Fan Message-ID: <20050224061425.05EFA8CF2C@six.pairlist.net> My thoughts about the upcoming Cream Reunion 1. I think the reason Eric finally agreed to a Cream reunion is it is his way to pay a tribute to his former band mates and also the realization that Baker and Bruce's medical and financial health are pretty poor and his desire to help them in his own way. 2. I wonder whether Eric will primarily use Gibson guitars (ES-335, Les Paul) in an attempt to revive his famous "Women Tone". I would love to see him use a Gibson Firebird. 3. Will Eric attempt to resurrect his 60's guitar playing style for the concerts (which he didn't in the "93" R&R HOF concert) and if so, will it have any post reunion ramifications for his playing style. 4. I think Cream will play at least one new song written especially for the event or a song from their solo days? "Badge and "Theme for the Imaginary Western" " are the songs I hope are played. 5. Just think of all of the people Eric Clapton has played with since his Cream days and how many of those musicians never had the opportunity or were too young to see Cream. The all star turnout for these concerts will likely be Hall of Fame in caliber. When you consider the likely all star audience and backstage festivities, who might be invited to play? Then there is also the potential for a post concert jam which could be extraordinary! 6. Since there will only be four shows with a relatively small audience in attendance and the shows are being recorded, Cream will hopefully pull out all of the stops. I can hardly wait. Don Green Tokyo - Seattle - Cream Fan http://twtd.bluemountains.net.au/cream/detroitoct68.htm From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Feb 24 05:59:49 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Feb 24 06:00:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Seattle Cream Fan Message-ID: <001601c51a5f$fa402410$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Don, We've been waiting for you to show up here in these pages. Glad you finally have done so. I've been meaning to ask you a question. A few years back, you claimed -- quite adamantly -- that you had received a recording of Eric Clapton playing Freddie King's instrumental "The Stumble." I can't remember whether that was with Cream, or another band. Are you willing to share the recording with members of the Slowhand Digest? I remember that you highly touted this recording. Also, just wondering about the date and venue of the recording, as it's never shown up on the EC Bootography. Would you be kind enough to share this info with us as well? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050224/40d0e6bc/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 24 12:20:44 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Thu Feb 24 12:22:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] where are the paris dvd offers In-Reply-To: <20050224171502.935E58C723@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Maybe I've been missing some messages, but haven't seen the paris dvd been re-offered to the group.. (NTSC version).. From rdh at optimum-power.com Thu Feb 24 14:06:25 2005 From: rdh at optimum-power.com (Roy D. Houston) Date: Thu Feb 24 14:06:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tsunami *NTSC* and companion CD offer *CLOSED* Message-ID: <1B5020F2D5CDC641ACF55BB56CAACC20025209@OPTMSG01.optimum-power.com> Look for David Gourlay and Chris Daniels to re-offer in the near future.... From turbineltd at btconnect.com Thu Feb 24 15:56:59 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Thu Feb 24 15:54:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC & BBKing to induct Buddy Guy @ 20th. RnR HOF Message-ID: <001301c51ab3$704efca0$0100a8c0@dellws410> B.B. King and Eric Clapton will team up to induct bluesman Buddy Guy at the 20th annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. The event will take place on 14 March at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City. Highlights will be televised on US cable channel, VH1 on 19 March 2005. From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 18:45:58 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Feb 24 18:46:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: where are the offers? Message-ID: <20050224234558.43761.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> >> Maybe I've been missing some messages, but haven't >> seen the paris dvd been >> re-offered to the group.. --------- I'm super glad you brought this up! Speaking of offers, the group is still waiting for you to reoffer the copies of "Bluesbreaking!" which you agreed to tree to the group in June of 2003. If I remember correctly, first you had a burner. Then you didn't have a burner. Then you had a burner, but it wasn't "accessible" (whataver that means). Then you were moving. Since you couldn't seem to get the copying done (never mind the fact that some of the most dedicated traders I know don't have a burner of their own) I provided you not one, but five copies of this, which according to the USPS Delivery Confirmation scan were delivered to you on June 24, 2003. I'm guessing that after twenty months, you've had a chance to organize this tree and it's probably time to make good on YOUR offer before you start to question the distribution efforts of anyone on the Paris DVD list. Distribution of the Paris DVD may not happen as quickly as you would like, but had you been included (when hell freezes over, that is), sometime in October, 2006, Slowhanders would still be asking "hey, whatever happened to that Paris thing Apurva was supposed to be sending out??" Will everyone who signed up for Apurva's "Bluesbreaking!" tree please raise their hand ??? Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ From Cobhome at aol.com Thu Feb 24 19:32:01 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 24 19:32:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <53.2212a902.2f4fcc01@aol.com> I wonder whether Eric will primarily use Gibson guitars (ES-335, Les Paul) in an attempt to revive his famous "Women Tone". I would love to see him use a Gibson Firebird. well - it has been said that EC re- recorded the guitar tracks to his new cd using a gibson - of course - I do not know if this is true or not - but if it is - it certainly suggests we'll see him using a gibson with Cream! Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 08:39:49 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Fri Feb 25 08:40:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] bluesbreaking/sorry for impatience Message-ID: Anyone who hasn't gotten a copy of this from the tree, let me know, i'll be happy to send along a copy. geetarz is right the tree didn't go so well, i apologize. for the record, i never had a burner, but access to one at my then work/studio. anyways.. if you wanted a copy but didn't get one for some reason, please email me privately. again, i know it went wrongly, it was my first tree admiinistration, made some big gaffes i know, geetarz thanks for bringing this up. didn't seem to be a petulant beggar asking for the paris dvds, hadn't seen any messages or posts, i know folks are busy and have lives. again please forgive the impatience. geetarz, you have put me rightly in my place. AAP From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Fri Feb 25 14:38:38 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Fri Feb 25 14:38:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD and Tsunami Relief DVD Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E910E@sunwex01.arivia.kom> 1. Thanks to the Almighty Geetarz, I have the Paris DVD to offer. 2. Thanks to Matt Duncan, I have the Tsunami Relief Cardiff DVD to offer. Discs are in PAL format. The first 5 people to respond, based on the following criteria, get them: 3 able to burn and distribute further and 2 without burners. Spread the blues. Kevin NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050225/28f35292/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Fri Feb 25 14:44:17 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Fri Feb 25 14:44:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC looking a lot like BB Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E910F@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Looking at the whereseric.com main page, it occurred to me that Eric, these days, looks a lot like BB King. Compare the photo on the cover of Where's ERIC! #37 and the picture of BB on cover of his new "Best of" release. Bet Eric will be chuffed to know this. Kevin NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. 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I wanted to share with you my pane and tears. *NORBERTO "PAPPO" NAPOLITANO *will be remembered for the rest of our lifes here in Argentina. He plays with BB. King, 2 times, and the third time is not gonna happend, it was programed to play a nother time with him with The King, so Mr Blues and the King of Blues will never play again together only in our memories. That's all my mans. Thanks all of you who's read this post. Maxi Kilgelmann ( a CLATON fan here in Argentina). From davemcaffee at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 23:43:39 2005 From: davemcaffee at hotmail.com (David McAffee) Date: Fri Feb 25 23:39:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Legends DVD Message-ID: I recently lost my copy of the Legends DVD from July 97. It was taped from a Japanese broadcast. I loved that DVD and was hoping some one could help get a new copy for my collection. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Baker and Bruce teamed up in BBM (Bruce, Baker and Moore) in 1994, that sounded like a Cream tribute band and played a lot of Cream numbers. They added nothing much to the Cream songs and Gary Moore even tried to sound like Clapton in his sixties days, a vast disappointment IMHO. BBM used extra players on stage, a keyboardist and another drummer, so it wouldn't surprise me to see guest stars on Cream reunion. I'm sure Eric doesn't try to re-live his youth and has a understanding of the evolution of their musicianship. The ticket prices soared so high, that the expectations are inhuman amd the gigs can't be worth their price, but I hope the resulting DVDs will be! Cheers Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What'd I Say, Got My Mojo Working, Hoochie Coochie Man and Stormy Monday, are songs the three of them played before the formation of Cream. Would any of these be on the set list? and finally As far as how many will be in CREAM for the May reunion, it'll be just the three of them. They all know adding extra musicians would be cheating, so if they have to adjust the manner in which they play because of the three piece limitations, they will. Eric may even have to switch to an acoustic Slazenger for Anyone For Tennis. Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 13:10:49 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sat Feb 26 13:10:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Offer: Woking 2004 2-CD set Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105022610107b31fc2e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Thanks to Roberto Sasso, I can offer a copy of this show to the first Slowhander replying to me off list with his/her promise to reoffer and mailing address. Cheers Gaetano P.S.: I DON'T think Eric looks like B.B. ;-) From nrm at houston.rr.com Sun Feb 27 09:32:16 2005 From: nrm at houston.rr.com (Nick) Date: Sun Feb 27 09:32:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking CD's offer open Message-ID: <013901c51cd9$23585680$34f5ce44@Stonemont> Thanks to Gordon Ivett, I have five copies of the Woking 2004 New Years Eve CD to re-offer to the group. CDR>EAC>WAV>YOU Please respond to my personal address. Thanks, NickM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050227/623df19e/attachment.html From turbineltd at btconnect.com Sun Feb 27 11:32:33 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Sun Feb 27 11:29:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton on "The Frost Report"? Message-ID: <000701c51ce9$fbd0ccd0$0100a8c0@dellws410> Well guys, I just caught David Frost signing-off on the Frost Report this morning and he mentioned EC. Whether he is DF's very special guest next week, or I missed him this week, I don't know. Perhaps some other Englander has better information. John From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Sun Feb 27 12:37:37 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Sun Feb 27 12:37:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris (everyone who I am supposed to send to) Message-ID: <002f01c51cf3$08527720$9d8c29d8@Kelly> Hi guys, Just to let you know the dvd is finally ready to go, and will by out Monday and Tuesday. Sorry for the long delay, but I just haven't had time to get all of them copied at my cousin's. Take care, Kelly ------------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050227/f4a5e66f/attachment.html From turbineltd at btconnect.com Sun Feb 27 12:57:35 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Sun Feb 27 12:54:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Breakfast with Frost" EC Rumour Message-ID: <000701c51cf5$d9d3d170$0100a8c0@dellws410> Okay, I've checked the guest-list for today and EC is conspicuous in his absence. The BBC-1 TV programme is now called "Breakfast with Frost", although I've never seen him munching. The following link gives the show details and the guest-lists to date. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast_with_frost/4158871.stm It looks like I'll have to ready the video capture for next weekend. John From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 13:48:37 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:48:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking 2004 New Year's Eve 2-CD set/ offer CLOSED Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050227104875db433e@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, this offer is now closed. Cheers Gaetano From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 19:17:53 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sun Feb 27 19:17:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking 2004 offer CLOSED Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105022716171e81ee60@mail.gmail.com> Hi, look for Fr?d?ric Clark and Kevin Wilson to reoffer soon. Cheers Gaetano From nrm at houston.rr.com Sun Feb 27 19:47:01 2005 From: nrm at houston.rr.com (Nick) Date: Sun Feb 27 19:48:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking CD's offer Closed References: <013901c51cd9$23585680$34f5ce44@Stonemont> Message-ID: <019b01c51d2f$107c57e0$34f5ce44@Stonemont> Good response. Looks like it's going all over the world. Copies will be going out to the following: Jon Hognason Iceland John Naccarato Canada Peter Monk New Zealand Phil McLauglin Canada Stephan Schroeder Germany Kevin Wilson South Africa Forest Smith CA USA Eric Eckberg IL USA Wesley Gabbard OR USA I responded to all who sent an address. Look for this show to be re-offered soon. Cheers, NickM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Woking CD's offer open Thanks to Gordon Ivett, I have five copies of the Woking 2004 New Years Eve CD to re-offer to the group. CDR>EAC>WAV>YOU Please respond to my personal address. Thanks, NickM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050227/e4814ebd/attachment.html From vdv64 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 03:33:57 2005 From: vdv64 at yahoo.com (PM) Date: Mon Feb 28 03:34:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris Bercy 2004 offer In-Reply-To: <20050227171502.644298C9E0@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050228083358.92193.qmail@web60310.mail.yahoo.com> MANY thanks to John R, he provided me with a copy of this DVD - it arrived Friday, I'm watching it actually first time with one eye and both ears ;-) If you want a copy, send me a mail with your addy. This offer is valid for at least three of you (2 with burner and promise to reoffer). Thanks again to John for passing me the copy. Kind regards. Peter ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 250MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Mon Feb 28 07:22:56 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Mon Feb 28 07:25:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Offer Closed: Paris DVD & Tsunami Relief Cardiff DVD Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E91A7@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Copies will be on the way to: Duncan McKie - New Zealand Jenny Katz - Australia Alex Brouwer - The Netherlands Tom Stahl - USA Stephan M?llney - Germany Spreading the Blues Kevin NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050228/083bb2d1/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Feb 28 12:51:28 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Mon Feb 28 12:51:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Death Valley Message-ID: <022820051751.11268.42235A2000013C6500002C042207001641050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> Wow! This place has been deader than a doornail lately. Isn't someone going to liven it up, or should I do it again? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050228/c344a989/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 28 14:48:59 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Mon Feb 28 14:49:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RnR HoF... Message-ID: Anyone excited about Clapton inducting Buddy Guy into the RnR HoF? I personally am more excited about BB and Eric inducting him, rather than the fact that he's being inducted. I mean sure I love him, his early stuff, especially the album with Junior Wells - Hoodoo Man Blues. However, Buddy in the Rock n Roll hall of fame? Doesn't make sense to me. In fact, I can't remember a memorable album Buddy has recorded in the past 10-15 years. Even the one that got him back in the public eye - Damn Right I've got the blues, was OK, Just ok. But I guess it's fitting EC does the inducting as he's been so instrumental in making Buddy more of a household name than he deserved to be. Btw: to those of you who sent me emails privately about fullfilling my Bluesbreaking commitments, I did get the emails and will be sending out the cds. AAP From garbarek at wp.pl Mon Feb 28 15:05:23 2005 From: garbarek at wp.pl (Garbarek) Date: Mon Feb 28 14:58:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC at the Cardiff Tsunami Benefit Offer DVD-R (PAL) + CD Message-ID: <002b01c51dd0$d67dd120$3602090a@zetkom> Dear All, With many thanks to Jane from UK today I can offer Eric's performance at Cardiff on DVD (DVD-R PAL) and CD. They come as a set - to send out to five people who want it. Please send offlist your name, address and promise to pass on to five other slowhand list members if interested. All the best Zbyszek DVD set list Jools Holland with the Rhythm and Blues Orchestra 1. Tuxedo Junction 2. Count Me In Eric Clapton 3. Reconsider Baby 4. Little Queen Of Spades 5. Willie and the Hand Jive 6. Everyday I Have The Blues 7. Love Her With A Feeling Encore All Artists 8. Shake, Rattle and Roll CD set list Jools Holland with the Rhythm and Blues Orchestra 1. Count Me In Eric Clapton 2. Reconsider Baby 3. Little Queen Of Spades 4. Willie and the Hand Jive 5. Everyday I Have The Blues 6. Love Her With A Feeling Encore All Artists 7. Shake, Rattle and Roll From jonhogna at simnet.is Mon Feb 28 15:37:31 2005 From: jonhogna at simnet.is (Jon Hognason) Date: Mon Feb 28 15:37:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Tsunami Cardiff Offer In-Reply-To: <20050228171503.8E5B18C624@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050228171503.8E5B18C624@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <3dafb7217587a230bbdbeca276df22c6@simnet.is> Thanks to the generosity of Jane Newell I can offer five sets of the DVD and CD from Cardiff. Please send me your address and I will notify the lucky people. jonhogna@simnet.is Jon On 28.2.2005, at 17:15, slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: > Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Paris (everyone who I am supposed to send to) (Kelly Murphy) > 2. "Breakfast with Frost" EC Rumour (John Mills) > 3. Woking 2004 New Year's Eve 2-CD set/ offer CLOSED > (Gaetano Villari) > 4. Woking 2004 offer CLOSED (Gaetano Villari) > 5. Re: Woking CD's offer Closed (Nick) > 6. Paris Bercy 2004 offer (PM) > 7. Offer Closed: Paris DVD & Tsunami Relief Cardiff DVD > (Kevin Wilson) > > From: "Kelly Murphy" > Date: 27. febr?ar 2005 17:37:37 GMT > To: > Subject: [Slowhand] Paris (everyone who I am supposed to send to) > > > Hi guys, > ? > Just to let you know the dvd is finally ready to go, and > will by out Monday and Tuesday.? Sorry for the long delay, > but I just haven't had time to get all of them copied at > my cousin's. > ? > Take care, > Kelly > ? > ------------------- > My Clapton forum: > http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi > > From: "John Mills" > Date: 27. febr?ar 2005 17:57:35 GMT > To: > Subject: [Slowhand] "Breakfast with Frost" EC Rumour > > > Okay, I've checked the guest-list for today and EC is conspicuous in > his > absence. The BBC-1 TV programme is now called "Breakfast with Frost", > although I've never seen him munching. > The following link gives the show details and the guest-lists to date. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast_with_frost/4158871.stm > It looks like I'll have to ready the video capture for next weekend. > > John > > > > > > From: Gaetano Villari > Date: 27. febr?ar 2005 18:48:37 GMT > To: Slowhand Digest > Subject: [Slowhand] Woking 2004 New Year's Eve 2-CD set/ offer CLOSED > > > Sorry, this offer is now closed. > Cheers > Gaetano > > > > > From: Gaetano Villari > Date: 28. febr?ar 2005 00:17:53 GMT > To: Slowhand Digest > Subject: [Slowhand] Woking 2004 offer CLOSED > > > Hi, > look for Fr?d?ric Clark and Kevin Wilson to reoffer soon. > Cheers > Gaetano > > > > > From: "Nick" > Date: 28. febr?ar 2005 00:47:01 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: [Slowhand] Woking CD's offer Closed > > > Good response. Looks like it's going all over the world. > ? > Copies will be going out to the following: > ? > Jon Hognason??? Iceland > John Naccarato??? Canada > Peter Monk??? New Zealand > Phil McLauglin??? Canada > Stephan Schroeder??? Germany > Kevin Wilson??? South Africa > ? > Forest Smith??? CA ??? USA > Eric Eckberg??? IL??? USA > Wesley Gabbard??? OR??? USA > ? > I responded to all who sent an address. > Look for this show?to be re-offered soon. > ? > Cheers, > ? > NickM > ? > ? > ? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:32 AM > Subject: [Slowhand] Woking CD's offer open > > ? > Thanks to?Gordon Ivett,?I have five copies of the Woking 2004 New > Years Eve CD to re-offer to the group. > ? > CDR>EAC>WAV>YOU > ? > Please respond to my personal address. > ? > Thanks, > ? > NickM > > From: PM > Date: 28. febr?ar 2005 08:33:57 GMT > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Subject: [Slowhand] Paris Bercy 2004 offer > > > MANY thanks to John R, he provided me with a copy of > this DVD - it arrived Friday, I'm watching it actually > first time with one eye and both ears ;-) > If you want a copy, send me a mail with your addy. > This offer is valid for at least three of you (2 with > burner and promise to reoffer). > Thanks again to John for passing me the copy. > Kind regards. > Peter > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 250MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier > anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de > > > > > From: "Kevin Wilson" > Date: 28. febr?ar 2005 12:22:56 GMT > To: > Subject: [Slowhand] Offer Closed: Paris DVD & Tsunami Relief Cardiff > DVD > > > Copies will be on the way to: > > ? > > Duncan McKie ? New Zealand > > Jenny Katz ? Australia > > Alex Brouwer ? The Netherlands > > Tom Stahl ? USA > > Stephan M?llney ? Germany > > ? > > Spreading the Blues > > Kevin > > ? > > NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is > subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found > at:? http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm.? If you cannot > access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to > receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to > disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the > disclaimer by return email or fax. > > ? > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 10747 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050228/aad952e6/attachment.bin From david_langley at btconnect.com Mon Feb 28 17:13:12 2005 From: david_langley at btconnect.com (Dave Langley) Date: Mon Feb 28 17:15:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Is Eric on Marcus Miller new CD Silver Rain? Message-ID: <005801c51de2$b1e4bf60$f40c27d9@p2j6t4> Picked up the new Marcus Miller release today here in England "Silver Rain". According to Koch Records and the Where's Eric website Eric is suppose to be playing guitar and taking lead vocals on the title track Silver Rain. Well I have to say that after listening to what is a very good album there is in my opinion no sign of Eric on the album or this song in any shape or form. It is clearly not his vocals on this track but those of a artist called Joey Kibble. Certainly the song was co written with Eric and he is credited for that but he does not appear in the list of guest artists on the CD or the artists performing the title song. Has anyone else listened to the album yet? Regards Dave From EddyPauley at aol.com Mon Feb 28 17:40:11 2005 From: EddyPauley at aol.com (EddyPauley@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 28 17:40:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] E.C. on Marcus Miller's "Silver Rain" Message-ID: <9e.212c1354.2f54f7cb@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/2005 5:15:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, slowhand-request@planet-torque.com writes: > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:13:12 -0000 > From: "Dave Langley" > Subject: [Slowhand] Is Eric on Marcus Miller new CD Silver Rain? > To: "Slowhand Digest" > Message-ID: <005801c51de2$b1e4bf60$f40c27d9@p2j6t4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Picked up the new Marcus Miller release today here in England "Silver Rain". > > According to Koch Records and the Where's Eric website Eric is suppose to be > playing guitar and taking lead vocals on the title track Silver Rain. > > Well I have to say that after listening to what is a very good album there > is in my opinion no sign of Eric on the album or this song in any shape or > form. It is clearly not his vocals on this track but those of a artist > called Joey Kibble. > > Certainly the song was co written with Eric and he is credited for that but > he does not appear in the list of guest artists on the CD or the artists > performing the title song. > > Has anyone else listened to the album yet? > > Regards > Dave > Hello, I have not listened to the CD yet as it is not released in the USA according to Marcus Miller's web site until April 12. However, there is about 2 minutes of "Silver Rain" on a link that you can listen to on M.M.'s web site at the following link: http://www.marcusmiller.com/media_mp3.html "The link states "Silver Rain" M.M. with E.C." E.C.'s vocals on the link to "Silver Rain" start at about the 58 second mark of the song. By the way, also on the link is a soundboard 3 minutes or so of "Put It Where You Want It" from the Hague, with Legends (EC, MM, Sanborn, Gadd & Sample) from 1997. For the EC fans in Japan that also like M.M., I noticed that M.M. starts a tour of Japan tonight with a weeks worth of shows at the "Blue Note" in Tokyo, followed by dates in other cities. Cheers, Eddy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050228/07912060/attachment.html From KMaksin at NCICAP.org Mon Feb 28 19:09:54 2005 From: KMaksin at NCICAP.org (Ken Maksin) Date: Mon Feb 28 19:09:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Silver Rain & EC Message-ID: <46AD4BEC55E47248B97086AFCEC37DC99D130A@cafs01.ncicap.org> Dave, according to Marcus Miller's website: Communication lapses and both men's hectic schedules prohibited Eric from recording his vocal until early 2005 in London. In the interim, the song morphed through several beautiful transformations, including lyrical contributions from singer/songwriters Joey Kibble of Take 6, neo soul man Kem and the legendary Bill Withers. Kenny Garrett also contributes a stirring alto sax solo. For the full article Check: http://www.marcusmiller.com/special_bio_silver_rain.html ken m Dave Langley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Picked up the new Marcus Miller release today here in England "Silver Rain". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050228/87ae9d30/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Mon Feb 28 20:24:44 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Mon Feb 28 20:24:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drop the needle and play...a lot References: <022820051751.11268.42235A2000013C6500002C042207001641050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <01bb01c51dfd$7383b530$a58c29d8@Kelly> Since DeltaNick thinks this place is more like a ghost town I thought I would just say something. lol Well maybe I'll ask a question. What album of Eric's can you not stop listening to lately? For me it has to be Journeyman. Ever since AG posted the Honda ad I've been listening to it a lot. It just had me thinking, "Wow, Bad Love is fantastic." and then I pulled out the album, and naturally I'm pulled to No Alibis right away. No Alibis is one of my favorite EC song. Kelly --------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: deltanick@comcast.net To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Death Valley Wow! This place has been deader than a doornail lately. Isn't someone going to liven it up, or should I do it again? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050228/459deb16/attachment.html From greghilker at gmx.de Tue Mar 1 00:08:41 2005 From: greghilker at gmx.de (Greg Hilker) Date: Tue Mar 1 00:07:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Is Eric on Marcus Miller new CD Silver Rain? Message-ID: <4223F8D9.5010104@gmx.de> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Slowhand] Is Eric on Marcus Miller new CD Silver Rain? From: "Dave Langley" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:13:12 -0000 To: "Slowhand Digest" Picked up the new Marcus Miller release today here in England "Silver Rain". According to Koch Records and the Where's Eric website Eric is suppose to be playing guitar and taking lead vocals on the title track Silver Rain. Well I have to say that after listening to what is a very good album there is in my opinion no sign of Eric on the album or this song in any shape or form. It is clearly not his vocals on this track but those of a artist called Joey Kibble. Certainly the song was co written with Eric and he is credited for that but he does not appear in the list of guest artists on the CD or the artists performing the title song. Has anyone else listened to the album yet? Regards Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- According to Marcus' website (http://www.marcusmiller.com/), Eric does the vocals on "Silver Rain": "Communication lapses and both men's hectic schedules prohibited Eric from recording his vocal until early 2005 in London." IMHO, it's *clearly* Eric singing on the sound sample: http://www.marcusmiller.com/media/silver_rain_ec.mp3 There's not enough guitar on the sample to recognize Eric, or not. Sch?ne Gr??e, Greg From lskett at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 06:21:42 2005 From: lskett at yahoo.com (Lskett) Date: Tue Mar 1 06:21:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Music Theme Day at the Palace Message-ID: <20050301112142.63271.qmail@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Read this online on March 1, 2005 at 6am (US-NY). Doesn't give the date of the actual performance. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050301/344/fdhiv.html Tribute date for Clapton and Cullum Guitar great Eric Clapton will be among stars at a Buckingham Palace reception hosted by the Queen. Other celebrity guests include Phil Collins, Brian May, Jools Holland, Jamie Cullum, Bryn Terfel, Terry Wogan, Humphrey Lyttleton, Sir Cameron Mackintosh and Dame Vera Lynn. The all-star gathering is a royal tribute to Britain's music industry and follows an earlier children's concert at the Palace for 250 youngsters from schools in five London boroughs, alongside choristers from the Chapel Royal. The so-called music theme day begins with a performance by Katie Melua, a graduate of the Brit School for the Performing Arts and Technology. Two short Scottish pieces by the Master of the Queen's Music, Sir Peter Maxwell Davies, will be performed by students from the Royal Academy of Music. The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh will then give a reception for performers and guests before the evening party for 500 celebrities and music industry representatives. ===== ================================================================= Only you can be yourself. No one else is qualified for the job. ================================================================= From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 11:12:20 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Tue Mar 1 11:13:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot Message-ID: Good idea for a thread Kelly.. Me personally, I go from periods where I'll play nothing but discs 3 and 4 from the Cream boxed set, to right now, where I'm listening to Unplugged, and the RJ Sessions Cd non stop. From david_langley at btconnect.com Tue Mar 1 13:10:00 2005 From: david_langley at btconnect.com (Dave Langley) Date: Tue Mar 1 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Silver Rain Mystery Solved? Message-ID: <007601c51e89$e37b7940$babd8751@p2j6t4> Well I think I might have solved the mystery on who is singing lead vocals on Silver Rain the new CD from Marcus Miller. All the information on Millers website indicates that Eric did not put his vocals down until early this year, given the album has got a early release date in Europe (UK was 28th Feb) then it is quite probable that Eric's vocals did not make the release, hence why they are credited to Joey Kibble and from the tone of his voice he sounds very RnB/Soul something I would suggest Eric's tones are not. Checked the MP3 on Millers official website and that is definitely Eric. This leads me to suggest that the later releases of the album e.g. USA in early April will have a updated track with Eric doing lead vocals? Well that's my thoughts. Regards Dave From david_langley at btconnect.com Tue Mar 1 13:12:28 2005 From: david_langley at btconnect.com (Dave Langley) Date: Tue Mar 1 13:17:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Release Dates for Silver Rian (Marcus Miller) Message-ID: <008001c51e8a$43c48580$babd8751@p2j6t4> USA, April 12 Japan, March 9 UK, February 28 France, February 21 Germany and Austria, February 21 Italy, The Netherlands, Belgium, already released I think this adds weight to my thoughts that Eric missed the Europe wide release? Regards Dave From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Tue Mar 1 13:23:10 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Tue Mar 1 13:22:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tumbleweed to your Death Valley In-Reply-To: <20050301171505.0AEFE8D1B4@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050301131711.00bb3908@mail.clemson.edu> At 12:15 PM 3/1/2005 -0500, you wrote: > Wow! This place has been deader than a doornail lately. > > > DeltaNick Just a theory, but maybe you're the common denominator there.....;-) From Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz Tue Mar 1 14:28:21 2005 From: Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz (Duncan McKie) Date: Tue Mar 1 14:28:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot Message-ID: >>right now, where I'm listening to ....the RJ Sessions Cd non stop.<< Still waiting for RJ Sessions to be released in NZ!! Still lisetning to "No Reason To Cry" here BTW Has any Eric album aged as badly as Pilgrim? Duncan McKie Desktop Support The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 14:35:52 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Tue Mar 1 14:36:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: no reason to cry, not one of my favorites, will have to check it out again. Out of the albums released in mid 70's - early 80's.. only money and cigarettes i can listen to without cringing or getting bored. A lot of people on the digest like these albums but probably afraid to admit to it. nothing wrong, different strokes for different folks. Pilgrim.. what a flawed album, IMO. It has the strongest material of a solo Clapton album, but horrid production qualities, IMO ruined the album. There are some good moments on there, but on the whole for me, not listenable througout because off mismatch styles and production that rendered the songs too glossy. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Duncan McKie" To: "Apurva Parikh" , Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:28:21 +1300 >>right now, where I'm listening to ....the RJ Sessions Cd non stop.<< Still waiting for RJ Sessions to be released in NZ!! Still lisetning to "No Reason To Cry" here BTW Has any Eric album aged as badly as Pilgrim? Duncan McKie Desktop Support The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. From stwil at pacbell.net Tue Mar 1 15:18:55 2005 From: stwil at pacbell.net (Stephen Wilson) Date: Tue Mar 1 15:18:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot Message-ID: <20050301201855.20515.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I've been lurking on this list now for about a year, thought it was finally time to make myself heard as another fairly young Clapton devotee. I also must admit I've been listening to Journeyman a lot recently. My favorites are similar to yours Kelly: Bad Love, No Alibis, but I also love Pretending and Breaking Point. In most of the few live recordings I have from his Journeyman tour, he'll open with Pretending, followed by No Alabis, sweet! I really wish I had been around during this period to catch one of these concerts, as I think this is one of his better periods, especially in terms of his soloing technique. I've also been listening a lot to some of his shows from this past tour. A couple of my favorites are his show at the Pepsi Center in Denver and his show in San Jose at the HP Pavilion on 7/31. I'd be interested to hear everyone else's favorites from this tour. By the way, I just recently finished downloading a truly awesome Clapton DVD off EZTree. If Zetti is on this list, I must thank you for this superb treat, such a good production, and a great show. The DVD stems from Slowhand's string of concerts at the RAH in 1990. This show was on January 24, and it was the last night with the four piece band. The double disc, NTSC-encoded DVD features pro shot video footage and three audio tracks, including Dolby Digital and DTS. More details are here: http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/remastered-rah-dvd.htm Anyway, it is still available on EZTree if any of you are lucky enough to have a membership and broadband. For those who aren't as lucky, I've decided to offer three copies to the list. Two will go to Slowhanders with burners, and one copy to one without. Please email me privately and include your snail mail address and whether you can reoffer. Cheers, Stephen From scottw at racerxill.com Tue Mar 1 20:17:06 2005 From: scottw at racerxill.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Tue Mar 1 20:17:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drop the needle Message-ID: <01a101c51ec5$90921310$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> Listened to Live disc from 461 Box set today. Some great lick trading with George Terry! Scott From g.reen at comcast.net Tue Mar 1 21:41:22 2005 From: g.reen at comcast.net (Green) Date: Tue Mar 1 21:41:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Nathan East - Clapton Left Handed? - Good reading Message-ID: <20050302024124.A59A18CDEF@six.pairlist.net> Has anyone ever seen an interview where Nathan East has talked or compared Eric Clapton and Lee Ritenour also one of my other favorite guitarists. I would love to seem them play together. Also I was watching the Robert Johnson Sessions "DVD" yesterday and enjoyed seeing Clapton in a candid non performing mode. One thing I found interesting was there is one "behind the scenes" section showing the band and entire crew having a meal together and it shows Eric eating with a fork or spoon in his LEFT hand. Across from him is Doyle with his fork or spoon in his right hand and he is left handed??? All of the others seem normal from what I can tell. That got me wondering if Eric has ever shown any other left handed tendencies. I know being left handed I can never or rarely remember using my right hand to eat with a fork or spoon. I then thought this reminded me of seeing a photograph mistakenly printed backwards. But after a closer review using DVD step viewing I noticed a syrup or ketchup bottle on the table with an HP label on it and it certainly didn't look backward? Anyone else notice this? Finally Interesting thoughts Eric Clapton: Prototype of the Guitar Hero http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=16600 Best Don Green From deltanick at comcast.net Tue Mar 1 22:32:44 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Tue Mar 1 22:32:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Clapton Left Handed? Message-ID: <008f01c51ed8$80ea38d0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I noticed a syrup or ketchup bottle on the table with an HP label on it >> and it certainly didn't look backward << Yes, Hewlett-Packard ketchup ... I use it all the time. It's available in cartridge # 57 (there are 57 varieties), and plugs into my H-P All-In-One photo quality printer. Epson uses separate cartridges, but Hewlett-Packard cartridges can be used on your hamburger and fries. Just another integrated product in the Setlist Generator "Family Of Systems." Have it your way! DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050301/01026fbf/attachment.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Mar 2 03:00:22 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Mar 2 03:01:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drop the needle and play...a lot Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E9243@sunwex01.arivia.kom> But I don't like the vocals on "Pretending". It sounds like slow talking, not singing. Pretty irritating, even live. Kevin _____ From: Kelly Murphy [mailto:brucespringsteenfan@semo.net] Sent: 01 March 2005 03:25 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Drop the needle and play...a lot Since DeltaNick thinks this place is more like a ghost town I thought I would just say something. lol Well maybe I'll ask a question. What album of Eric's can you not stop listening to lately? For me it has to be Journeyman. Ever since AG posted the Honda ad I've been listening to it a lot. It just had me thinking, "Wow, Bad Love is fantastic." and then I pulled out the album, and naturally I'm pulled to No Alibis right away. No Alibis is one of my favorite EC song. Kelly --------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: deltanick@comcast.net To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Death Valley Wow! This place has been deader than a doornail lately. Isn't someone going to liven it up, or should I do it again? DeltaNick NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/63410a08/attachment-0001.html From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Mar 2 03:06:38 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Mar 2 03:06:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Music Theme Day at the Palace Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E9246@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Ah ha - this must be "Little Party at the Palace". Wonder if the Queen will be wearing her earplugs again? Kevin _______________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Lskett [mailto:lskett@yahoo.com] Sent: 01 March 2005 13:22 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Music Theme Day at the Palace NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Mar 2 03:16:02 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Mar 2 03:16:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E9249@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Looks like they're really "shipping" Session for Robert J around the world. It was released over here last week, in CD pack size. I imported mine (in decent size) during January and still paid less than through the local shops, even with additional customs charges. Kevin PS. What's wrong with Pilgrim. Don't you ever get depressed and need something to take you through the PLOM (Poor Little Old Me) phase? -----Original Message----- From: Duncan McKie [mailto:Duncan.McKie@infinity.co.nz] Sent: 01 March 2005 21:28 To: Apurva Parikh; slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot >>right now, where I'm listening to ....the RJ Sessions Cd non stop.<< Still waiting for RJ Sessions to be released in NZ!! NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Wed Mar 2 03:36:00 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Wed Mar 2 03:37:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E924D@sunwex01.arivia.kom> There's nothing wrong with the quality of the production. Eric and Simon consciously went for a particularly sombre mood and overwhelmed the recording with morbid minimalist electronic drum and keyboard effects to add to the overall depth. Of course on a Clapton album it's a cardinal sin to most of his long-standing fans. Bet it knocked most flat on their backside. Personally I love the album and play it as much as most EC recordings (which doesn't say much). I also believe it was a mistake of Eric to take the formula and apply it to a guest session with B.B. King on "Rock Me Baby" - certainly his most unlistenable session. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Apurva Parikh [mailto:apuraja8@hotmail.com] Sent: 01 March 2005 21:36 To: Duncan.McKie@infinity.co.nz; slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot horrid production qualities, IMO ruined the album. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 2 05:29:52 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (Simon George) Date: Wed Mar 2 05:30:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The Queen out of touch? Never :p References: <20050302024124.A59A18CDEF@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <002e01c51f12$c65ea150$0100a8c0@main> Did anyone see the British papers today? a couple are carrying a story about a bash at Buckingham palace last night. The Queen first met Brian May, "And what do you do?" "I'm a guitarist Ma'am" "How Lovely" "It was an honour to play on your roof in 2002" "Oh was that you?" Next she moved on to the Yardbirds trilogy, Jeff Beck, "Are you a guitarist too?" "Yes Ma'am" Jimmy Page, "And You?" yes ma'am" next, " I'm Eric Clapton ma'am" " how long have you been playing?" "erm about 45 years!" Clapton was apparently, 'charmed' and said "Well you can't expect her to know who everyone is" I'm gutted, this means that the mental image I have of the Queen, running around the palace playing air guitar to 'Layla' or 'Stairway to Heaven' can't be true! :P Perhaps shes more of a rap fan :P Regards, Simon From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 06:47:12 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Mar 2 06:47:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Best of Tour? Message-ID: <20050302114712.48986.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> >> I'd be interested to hear everyone else's favorites from this tour. ------ IMO, in chronological order: Paris (Lefffe version) Copenhagen, Denmark (DAT version) RAH 8 May RAH 11 May Philadelphia (Jerseyboy) MSG 6/28 (Definitive Stealth Works) Columbus, Ohio (DVD) Denver, Co (DAT version) Please keep in mind these are the best performances, and perhaps not the best recordings - but most of these are very nice recordings. And these are the ones I would pick as being the "best overall shows" of the tour. Were I to pick the finest individual performance of each song, for instance I'd single out 'Layla > Cocaine' from Washington D.C. and 'Let it Rain' from Boston. When things settle out a bit from the tour, I'm working on a compilation album that will feature the best performance of each song from the tour. Most folks do a "tour comp" by simply tossing in one of each song, which is sort of slack. Cheers, AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 06:53:38 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Mar 2 06:53:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Left Handed Message-ID: <20050302115338.35431.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> >> Yes, Hewlett-Packard ketchup ... I use >> it all the time. It's available in cartridge # 57 >> (there are 57 varieties), and plugs into my H-P >> All-In-One photo quality printer. >> >> Epson uses separate cartridges, but Hewlett-Packard >> cartridges can be used on your hamburger and fries. There are also refill bottles for these cartridges available at Costco. The ink is the same color red, works just as well, and is 50% cheaper! And as for EC left handed, that way he won't STUMBLE. You know, Don, STUMBLE? Cat got your tongue? Nothing to say? For once??? AG __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 06:55:56 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Mar 2 06:55:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slow Talking Message-ID: <20050302115556.35634.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> >> But I don't like the vocals on "Pretending". It sounds >> like slow >> talking, not singing. Pretty irritating, even live. Here's guessing you probably aren't a big Muddy Waters fan? LOL. Here's a horrid thought ... "Hoochie Coochie Man" with the vocals being *sung* ... UGH ! AG __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 09:50:52 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Wed Mar 2 09:50:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "And what do you do, Mr Clapton?" Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050302065060c94f1a@mail.gmail.com> COOL !! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4484-1507567,00.html London March 02, 2005 And what do you do, Mr Clapton? By Ben Hoyle and Adam Sherwin THE QUEEN welcomed some of the biggest names in British music to Buckingham Palace last night but had no idea who some of them were. Introduced to four of the country's most famous guitar heroes she asked: "And what do you do?" Brian May, from Queen the group, the first of the big names to be greeted by the real Queen, reminded her that he played the National Anthem on the roof of the Palace to start the 2002 Golden Jubilee rock concert. "Oh! That was you was it?" she exclaimed. Moving on to Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page, the Queen inquired: "Are you a guitarist too?" Eric Clapton took no chances and, firmly shaking the Queen's hand, introduced himself by name. "Have you been playing a long time?" the Queen asked. "It must be 45 years now," replied Clapton, 59. Next in the VIP line-up was Jeff Beck who, with Clapton, told the Queen that, with Page, all three had started off in the same band, the Yardbirds. "And we're all from Surrey," added Clapton. Later Clapton, now a teetotaller, praised the Queen for hosting the evening drinks and canap?s reception. "It's great to meet her ? and it doesn't matter at all that she did not know who were are or what we do. I wouldn't expect her to." Despite their rock'n'roll habits, all four managed to arrive in good time for the reception, which is more than could be said of the former Spice Girl Geri Halliwell, who swanned into the party 40 minutes after it started and almost two hours after many of the 500 celebrity guests arrived. The one-time Ginger Spice, who once famously pinched Prince Charles's bottom, perhaps did not realise that the monarch is supposed to be the last person to arrive for a royal engagement. The Countess of Wessex, the Duke and Duchess of Kent and the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester all turned up before the Queen. The palace doors had to be reopened for Ms Halliwell when she arrived at 6.40pm, confusing palace officials who had assumed that she had decided not to attend. Ms Halliwell, who was also dressed more casually than most of the other female guests, in a pair of cream trousers, said she felt "fantastic" at being invited. The reception, the Queen's first for the music industry, was attended by guests with an average age of 54. Dame Vera Lynn, 87, and Humphrey Lyttelton, 83, also joined the party. The average age fell below 60 only because of Jamie Cullum, 24, the jazz prodigy, and Katie Melua, 20, the million-selling graduate of the Brit School for the Performing Arts and Technology. From bluez4u2 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 09:51:53 2005 From: bluez4u2 at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Wed Mar 2 09:51:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton left handed? In-Reply-To: <20050302080130.662ED8CDE6@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050302145153.31206.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, Doyle is right handed. Guitar playing is the only thing he does left handed. I don't think the footage is backward. --- slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: > > From: "Green" > To: > > One thing I found interesting was there is one "behind > the scenes" section > showing the band and entire crew having a meal together > and it shows Eric > eating with a fork or spoon in his LEFT hand. Across from > him is Doyle with > his fork or spoon in his right hand and he is left > handed??? > > All of the others seem normal from what I can tell. That > got me wondering > if Eric has ever shown any other left handed tendencies. > I know being left > handed I can never or rarely remember using my right hand > to eat with a fork > or spoon. I then thought this reminded me of seeing a > photograph mistakenly > printed backwards. But after a closer review using DVD > step viewing I > noticed a syrup or ketchup bottle on the table with an HP > label on it and it > certainly didn't look backward? Anyone else notice this? > > Best > > Don Green > > From roberte at comcast.net Wed Mar 2 10:19:11 2005 From: roberte at comcast.net (Robert Ender) Date: Wed Mar 2 10:16:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Left handed.... Message-ID: <4225D96F.1020005@comcast.net> Kind of funny really, but an easy mistake. People in America cut with their knife in their right hand and fork in left, BUT then switch the fork and use it in their right hand for eating. People from England and other countries don't ever switch hands, so they keep the fork in their left hand while using it. And incidentally the tines of the fork usually remain pointed down instead of "shovel" style. From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Wed Mar 2 11:05:45 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Wed Mar 2 11:06:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RAH, May 8 and 11 Message-ID: Hi, I'm still looking to trade for RAH, May 8 & 11, 04 (Mid Valley version). Let me know if you've got them. Best, Ken From ronnybdc at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 11:13:15 2005 From: ronnybdc at yahoo.com (Ronny Bergman) Date: Wed Mar 2 11:13:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Talkings Message-ID: <00dd01c51f42$bdb4c310$a53a5a18@ronpc> Before I get berated for talking rumors? is everyone ok with talking about CREAM here.. I hear some things from Radio guys in NYC regarding them coming to the states? No further discussion till I get an ok? RLB -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.5 - Release Date: 3/1/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/090b007b/attachment.html From mwright at ou.edu Wed Mar 2 12:01:25 2005 From: mwright at ou.edu (Dr. Melanie Wright) Date: Wed Mar 2 11:50:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Left-handed In-Reply-To: <20050302145155.0986D8CFE2@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050302145155.0986D8CFE2@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050302105731.03e65508@pop.ou.edu> I think Brits use a fork and spoon with their left hand, knife in the right. They turn the fork down, using a knife to push the food on the back of the fork. Don't know why but it seems to be the case. Cheers! Melanie At 08:51 AM 3/2/2005, you wrote: >Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Music Theme Day at the Palace (Kevin Wilson) > 2. RE: re: Drop the needle and play...a lot (Kevin Wilson) > 3. RE: re: Drop the needle and play...a lot (Kevin Wilson) > 4. The Queen out of touch? Never :p (Simon George) > 5. Best of Tour? (Almighty Geetarz) > 6. Re: Left Handed (Almighty Geetarz) > 7. Re: Slow Talking (Almighty Geetarz) > 8. "And what do you do, Mr Clapton?" (Gaetano Villari) > 9. Clapton left handed? (Robert) > >From: "Kevin Wilson" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:06:38 +0200 >Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E9246@sunwex01.arivia.kom> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Subject: RE: [Slowhand] Music Theme Day at the Palace >Message: 1 > >Ah ha - this must be "Little Party at the Palace". Wonder if the Queen >will be wearing her earplugs again? > >Kevin > >_______________________________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: Lskett [mailto:lskett@yahoo.com] >Sent: 01 March 2005 13:22 >To: slowhand@planet-torque.com >Subject: [Slowhand] Music Theme Day at the Palace > > > > >NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject >to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found >at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot >access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a >copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call >(011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. > > > > > >From: "Kevin Wilson" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Duncan McKie" , >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:16:02 +0200 >Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E9249@sunwex01.arivia.kom> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot >Message: 2 > >Looks like they're really "shipping" Session for Robert J around the >world. It was released over here last week, in CD pack size. I imported >mine (in decent size) during January and still paid less than through >the local shops, even with additional customs charges. >Kevin > >PS. What's wrong with Pilgrim. Don't you ever get depressed and need >something to take you through the PLOM (Poor Little Old Me) phase? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Duncan McKie [mailto:Duncan.McKie@infinity.co.nz] >Sent: 01 March 2005 21:28 >To: Apurva Parikh; slowhand@planet-torque.com >Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot > > > >>right now, where I'm listening to ....the RJ Sessions Cd non stop.<< > >Still waiting for RJ Sessions to be released in NZ!! > > > >NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject >to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found >at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot >access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a >copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call >(011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. > > > > > >From: "Kevin Wilson" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: "Apurva Parikh" >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:36:00 +0200 >Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E924D@sunwex01.arivia.kom> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot >Message: 3 > >There's nothing wrong with the quality of the production. Eric and Simon >consciously went for a particularly sombre mood and overwhelmed the >recording with morbid minimalist electronic drum and keyboard effects to >add to the overall depth. > >Of course on a Clapton album it's a cardinal sin to most of his >long-standing fans. Bet it knocked most flat on their backside. > >Personally I love the album and play it as much as most EC recordings >(which doesn't say much). I also believe it was a mistake of Eric to >take the formula and apply it to a guest session with B.B. King on "Rock >Me Baby" - certainly his most unlistenable session. > >Kevin > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Apurva Parikh [mailto:apuraja8@hotmail.com] >Sent: 01 March 2005 21:36 >To: Duncan.McKie@infinity.co.nz; slowhand@planet-torque.com >Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot > >horrid production qualities, IMO ruined the album. > > > >NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject >to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found >at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot >access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a >copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call >(011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. > > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Simon George" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: >References: <20050302024124.A59A18CDEF@six.pairlist.net> >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:29:52 -0000 >Message-ID: <002e01c51f12$c65ea150$0100a8c0@main> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original >Subject: [Slowhand] The Queen out of touch? Never :p >Message: 4 > >Did anyone see the British papers today? a couple are carrying a story >about a bash at Buckingham palace last night. The Queen first met Brian >May, "And what do you do?" >"I'm a guitarist Ma'am" >"How Lovely" >"It was an honour to play on your roof in 2002" >"Oh was that you?" >Next she moved on to the Yardbirds trilogy, >Jeff Beck, >"Are you a guitarist too?" >"Yes Ma'am" >Jimmy Page, >"And You?" yes ma'am" >next, " I'm Eric Clapton ma'am" >" how long have you been playing?" >"erm about 45 years!" >Clapton was apparently, 'charmed' and said "Well you can't expect her to >know who everyone is" > I'm gutted, this means that the mental image I have of the Queen, > running around the palace playing air guitar to 'Layla' or 'Stairway to > Heaven' can't be true! :P >Perhaps shes more of a rap fan :P > >Regards, >Simon > > > >From: Almighty Geetarz >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: slowhand@planet-torque.com >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:47:12 -0800 (PST) >Message-ID: <20050302114712.48986.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: [Slowhand] Best of Tour? >Message: 5 > > >> I'd be interested to >hear everyone else's favorites from this tour. > >------ > >IMO, in chronological order: > >Paris (Lefffe version) >Copenhagen, Denmark (DAT version) >RAH 8 May >RAH 11 May >Philadelphia (Jerseyboy) >MSG 6/28 (Definitive Stealth Works) >Columbus, Ohio (DVD) >Denver, Co (DAT version) > >Please keep in mind these are the best performances, >and perhaps not the best recordings - but most of >these are very nice recordings. > >And these are the ones I would pick as being the "best >overall shows" of the tour. Were I to pick the finest >individual performance of each song, for instance I'd >single out 'Layla > Cocaine' from Washington D.C. and >'Let it Rain' from Boston. > >When things settle out a bit from the tour, I'm >working on a compilation album that will feature the >best performance of each song from the tour. Most >folks do a "tour comp" by simply tossing in one of >each song, which is sort of slack. > >Cheers, >AG > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >From: Almighty Geetarz >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: slowhand@planet-torque.com >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:53:38 -0800 (PST) >Message-ID: <20050302115338.35431.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Left Handed >Message: 6 > > >> Yes, Hewlett-Packard ketchup ... I use > >> it all the time. It's available in cartridge # 57 > >> (there are 57 varieties), and plugs into my H-P > >> All-In-One photo quality printer. > >> > >> Epson uses separate cartridges, but Hewlett-Packard > >> cartridges can be used on your hamburger and fries. > >There are also refill bottles for these cartridges >available at Costco. The ink is the same color red, >works just as well, and is 50% cheaper! > >And as for EC left handed, that way he won't STUMBLE. > >You know, Don, STUMBLE? > >Cat got your tongue? > >Nothing to say? > >For once??? > >AG > > > > >__________________________________ >Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > >From: Almighty Geetarz >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: slowhand@planet-torque.com >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:55:56 -0800 (PST) >Message-ID: <20050302115556.35634.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slow Talking >Message: 7 > > >> But I don't like the vocals on "Pretending". It >sounds >> like slow > >> talking, not singing. Pretty irritating, even live. > >Here's guessing you probably aren't a big Muddy Waters >fan? LOL. > >Here's a horrid thought ... "Hoochie Coochie Man" with >the vocals being *sung* ... UGH ! > >AG > > > > >__________________________________ >Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > >From: Gaetano Villari >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Slowhand Digest >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:50:52 +0100 >Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050302065060c94f1a@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >Subject: [Slowhand] "And what do you do, Mr Clapton?" >Message: 8 > >COOL !! > >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4484-1507567,00.html > >London > >March 02, 2005 > >And what do you do, Mr Clapton? >By Ben Hoyle and Adam Sherwin > >THE QUEEN welcomed some of the biggest names in British music to >Buckingham Palace last night but had no idea who some of them were. > >Introduced to four of the country's most famous guitar heroes she >asked: "And what do you do?" Brian May, from Queen the group, the >first of the big names to be greeted by the real Queen, reminded her >that he played the National Anthem on the roof of the Palace to start >the 2002 Golden Jubilee rock concert. "Oh! That was you was it?" she >exclaimed. > >Moving on to Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page, the Queen inquired: "Are you a >guitarist too?" Eric Clapton took no chances and, firmly shaking the >Queen's hand, introduced himself by name. "Have you been playing a >long time?" the Queen asked. "It must be 45 years now," replied >Clapton, 59. > >Next in the VIP line-up was Jeff Beck who, with Clapton, told the >Queen that, with Page, all three had started off in the same band, the >Yardbirds. > >"And we're all from Surrey," added Clapton. Later Clapton, now a >teetotaller, praised the Queen for hosting the evening drinks and >canap??s reception. > >"It's great to meet her ? and it doesn't matter at all that she did >not know who were are or what we do. I wouldn't expect her to." >Despite their rock'n'roll habits, all four managed to arrive in good >time for the reception, which is more than could be said of the former >Spice Girl Geri Halliwell, who swanned into the party 40 minutes after >it started and almost two hours after many of the 500 celebrity guests >arrived. > >The one-time Ginger Spice, who once famously pinched Prince Charles's >bottom, perhaps did not realise that the monarch is supposed to be the >last person to arrive for a royal engagement. The Countess of Wessex, >the Duke and Duchess of Kent and the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester >all turned up before the Queen. > >The palace doors had to be reopened for Ms Halliwell when she arrived >at 6.40pm, confusing palace officials who had assumed that she had >decided not to attend. Ms Halliwell, who was also dressed more >casually than most of the other female guests, in a pair of cream >trousers, said she felt "fantastic" at being invited. > >The reception, the Queen's first for the music industry, was attended >by guests with an average age of 54. Dame Vera Lynn, 87, and Humphrey >Lyttelton, 83, also joined the party. The average age fell below 60 >only because of Jamie Cullum, 24, the jazz prodigy, and Katie Melua, >20, the million-selling graduate of the Brit School for the Performing >Arts and Technology. > >From: Robert >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: slowhand@planet-torque.com >In-Reply-To: <20050302080130.662ED8CDE6@six.pairlist.net> >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 06:51:53 -0800 (PST) >Message-ID: <20050302145153.31206.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton left handed? >Message: 9 > >Actually, Doyle is right handed. Guitar playing is the >only thing he does left handed. I don't think the footage >is backward. > >--- slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: > > > > From: "Green" > > To: > > > > One thing I found interesting was there is one "behind > > the scenes" section > > showing the band and entire crew having a meal together > > and it shows Eric > > eating with a fork or spoon in his LEFT hand. Across from > > him is Doyle with > > his fork or spoon in his right hand and he is left > > handed??? > > > > All of the others seem normal from what I can tell. That > > got me wondering > > if Eric has ever shown any other left handed tendencies. > > I know being left > > handed I can never or rarely remember using my right hand > > to eat with a fork > > or spoon. I then thought this reminded me of seeing a > > photograph mistakenly > > printed backwards. But after a closer review using DVD > > step viewing I > > noticed a syrup or ketchup bottle on the table with an HP > > label on it and it > > certainly didn't look backward? Anyone else notice this? > > > > Best > > > > Don Green > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Slowhand mailing list >Slowhand@planet-torque.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 2 12:10:18 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Wed Mar 2 12:11:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] pilgrim production, etc. In-Reply-To: <20050302145156.04D558D02A@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: I guess I equated production = me not liking the musical direction of the production. Didn't mean to suggest the technical producing of the album was bad, it "sounded" great from a technical perspective just not from an aesthetic point of view, for ME. I do agree with you, the lyrics, tone of the album are that of loss, reflection and pain, however, if that were the message, why add synthetic drums, background vocals that get in the way and other non organic sounding effects? Most fans liked the album, for Eric's singing and the song lyrics, but I wouldn't say everyone was overjoyed with the way the songs sounded aesthetically. I don't remember being knocked out flat by the album, as it was tough to listen to it through out in one setting. Critical reviews were favorable but like all Clapton recordings, those who hated it, really tore into it, saying it was boring, lacked fire/energy and that it was too long. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: Kevin Wilson To: "Apurva Parikh" Cc: Subject: RE: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2005 2:36 AM There's nothing wrong with the quality of the production. Eric and Simon consciously went for a particularly sombre mood and overwhelmed the recording with morbid minimalist electronic drum and keyboard effects to add to the overall depth. Of course on a Clapton album it's a cardinal sin to most of his long-standing fans. Bet it knocked most flat on their backside. Personally I love the album and play it as much as most EC recordings (which doesn't say much). I also believe it was a mistake of Eric to take the formula and apply it to a guest session with B.B. King on "Rock Me Baby" - certainly his most unlistenable session. Kevin From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 12:24:38 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Wed Mar 2 12:24:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] scrolling down a hill Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050302092418908ca@mail.gmail.com> Any hope of having some folks writing replies without feeling like quoting their whole previous life? Thanks! Gaetano From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 12:49:59 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Wed Mar 2 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Relpy to Robert Ender Message-ID: <20050302174959.45106.qmail@web51501.mail.yahoo.com> Funny,I live in America and cut with my left hand and my fork never leaves my right hand.That comes from groing up poor in the Mississippi Delta.You can't waste any time switching forks with 15 hungry children around.Its like a pack of wolves picking at a carcass. Or maybe it comes from playing guitar. Over and out Memphis Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/8320a7e2/attachment.html From n.seidenberg at comcast.net Wed Mar 2 13:39:19 2005 From: n.seidenberg at comcast.net (Noah Seidenberg) Date: Wed Mar 2 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: "And what do you do, Mr Clapton?" Message-ID: <20050302183920.D513E8CFA2@six.pairlist.net> I thought this was a joke until I read the article. How could she not know who these national treasures of the UK are? What a world we live in? Noah http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4484-1507567,00.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/7a9d103f/attachment.html From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Wed Mar 2 13:52:42 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Wed Mar 2 13:52:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim Message-ID: 50% of Pilgrim is brilliant. The other 50% of Pilgrim is awful. It's hard to believe it's all on the same album. The one song I think they ruined with the production is Circus. It sounds a lot better on concert recordings. Whereas, for me, much of Reptile comes off as light and forgettable, there is some of EC's best work on Pilgrim: My Father's Eyes, River of Tears, Brokenhearted, Pilgrim, She's Gone, Going Down Slow, and yes, Inside of Me. But that album was belabored and, as producers, I think they learned their lesson. Best, Ken From Feeeb3 at aol.com Wed Mar 2 14:19:39 2005 From: Feeeb3 at aol.com (Feeeb3@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 2 14:19:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 127 Message-ID: <53.2284eb31.2f576bcb@aol.com> I wanted to throw out a very weird occurrence-you guys seem so knowledgeable, maybe you'll be able to make some sense of it. I'd been playing my cd copy of Journeyman for many years and one day I brought it into the office and put it on my cd player and lo and behold out came Kenny G!! Every track was Kenny G-other people put it on their own players and the same thing happened. It was an old cd so I don't think there's anyway it could've been taped over-any ideas?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/1e2d1b39/attachment.html From Lefffe at aol.com Wed Mar 2 15:02:16 2005 From: Lefffe at aol.com (Lefffe@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 2 15:02:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] her majesty Message-ID: "her majesty's a pretty nice girl but she doesn't have a lot to say" it was in 1969 folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott <> Cheers, AG From g.reen at comcast.net Wed Mar 2 15:46:22 2005 From: g.reen at comcast.net (Green) Date: Wed Mar 2 15:46:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric Clapton & Johhny Winter Message-ID: <20050302204624.AF2F78C661@six.pairlist.net> I was recently downloading some Itunes cuts of old Johnny Winter recordings from the late 60's and early 70's which I use to have on LPs and I also recently viewed the Crossroads Guitar festival held in Texas last year and this got me wondering why "Texas born" Johnny Winter didn't play there. ZZ Top certainly made their presence known. Eric never seemed to play with Johnny Winter? Considering how often he played with another Texan SRV I find this interesting. Johnny Winter was also close with B.B. King and played with many other top blues artists. http://www.yee.ch/~jwinter/winter_disco_wothers.html Johnny was certainly one of the most prominent blues players around during the 70's. http://www.yee.ch/~jwinter/winter_bio.html Johnny still tours and records: http://www.yee.ch/~jwinter/Timeline/winter_timeline_2004.htm And most importantly he still plays his Gibson Firebird. I find it interesting that over all of these years they never got together to record or jam? Anyone have any ideas if there are any negative issues between them? Don From scottw at racerxill.com Wed Mar 2 15:53:22 2005 From: scottw at racerxill.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Wed Mar 2 15:55:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim Message-ID: <01d201c51f6a$164d5b50$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> I cannot listen to Pilgrim any more as the Drum machine drives me out of my mind. There are some great songs but I prefer to hear them live instead. Scott From susbastille at msn.com Wed Mar 2 16:13:34 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Wed Mar 2 16:15:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] short and sweet or bland and dull? Message-ID: - also just rediscovered "Journeyman" (stop) - great listening top down (stop) - "Run So Far," "Breaking Point" and "Lead Me On" tend toward a little dated (stop) - hope this was short and succinct enough and not too revealing of me and my life, current or past (stop) Gaetano, This is an e-community. Let people feel open to say what they will. Otherwise, it is just a poll and a "generator" void of personality. IMHO, anyway. susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/dad109e2/attachment.html From Jon.Maclean at lands.nsw.gov.au Wed Mar 2 18:14:46 2005 From: Jon.Maclean at lands.nsw.gov.au (Jon Maclean) Date: Wed Mar 2 18:15:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: EC vocals on Miller CD Message-ID: Well, we're laughing in Australia then aren't we? By the time the Miller CD gets released out here, Eric will have had time to add his vocals to the entire album! lol. Cheers, Jon Message: 2 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:12:28 -0000 From: "Dave Langley" Subject: [Slowhand] Release Dates for Silver Rian (Marcus Miller) To: "Slowhand Digest" Message-ID: <008001c51e8a$43c48580$babd8751@p2j6t4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" USA, April 12 Japan, March 9 UK, February 28 France, February 21 Germany and Austria, February 21 Italy, The Netherlands, Belgium, already released I think this adds weight to my thoughts that Eric missed the Europe wide release? Regards Dave *************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of the Department of Lands. This email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *************************************************************** From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 2 18:40:05 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (Simon George) Date: Wed Mar 2 18:40:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] A Complaint against Cream References: Message-ID: <008201c51f81$2a8be2a0$0100a8c0@main> Forgot to mention this earlier, but on the day tickets were released for Cream, don't know if anyone was listening to Johnny Walker on Radio 2, but someone complained. He said he was at the original Farewell concert, and therefore should get a refund under the trade descriptions act! Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/a2827d01/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 20:49:22 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Wed Mar 2 20:49:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EZ alert Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105030217493e82e5e4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, for those of you into the EZtree thing, there's an intriguing torrent. You can use the URL below to download the torrent (you may have to login): http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=30657&hit=1 Title: Eric Clapton On Tour With Mark Knopfler (from Dire Straits) 3 Nights Royal Albert Hall 1987 - SBD Size: 2.40 GB Details (thanks MD): http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/3nights.htm You know the drill: the more people, the faster torrent! Cheers Gaetano From Cobhome at aol.com Wed Mar 2 21:25:56 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 2 21:26:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Albums Message-ID: <11.404271b2.2f57cfb4@aol.com> It is interesting that you say Pilgrim had a minimalist sound - I thought there was too much - violins - drum tracks that seemed unrelated to whatever else was going on - however - I think several of the songs on Pilgrim were very good - She's Gone was a pleasure to hear during the Reptile tour - and I do think his attempt to try something different was laudible - Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Disc 1 includes the nine tracks from the 1972 ATCO release produced by Eric Clapton, Ahmet Ertegun and Tom Dowd and adds performances of “Dirty Mother For You,” “Why Am I Treated So Bad?” and a nearly 10-minute “Stone Crazy.” Disc 2's nine tracks include a 9:20 version of Freddie King’s “Love Her With A Feeling,” a 7:52 take of Little Walter’s “Last Night” and a version of “Born In The Blues” running 8:56, all previously unreleased. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/f9355783/attachment-0001.html From deltanick at comcast.net Wed Mar 2 22:17:39 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Wed Mar 2 22:17:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Left-handed? Message-ID: <008a01c51f9f$8fa518f0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I think Brits use a fork and spoon with their left hand, knife in the >> right. They turn the fork down, using a knife to push the food on the >> back of the fork. Don't know why but it seems to be the case. << This is a European custom, not just British. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the international norm (for those who use silverware, of course). Why? So you don't have to keep switching your fork from right hand to left hand to right hand to ... duh. It makes life a little bit simpler. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/07be05e5/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Wed Mar 2 23:54:02 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Wed Mar 2 23:54:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton left handed? References: <20050302145153.31206.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c51fad$05edf010$638c29d8@Kelly> I, too, noticed Eric using his left hand to hold his fork, and thought it was interesting. Then again I only thought it was interesting to me. lol I am left-handed, and I play guitar right-handed. Also, when playing basketball, while I shoot left-handed I dribble the ball much easier with my right hand. So it's not weird that Eric uses his fork with his left hand. But I didn't know that Doyle is actually right-handed. Seems we share traits in how we play guitar except he's, you know, really great. Kelly ------------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton left handed? > Actually, Doyle is right handed. Guitar playing is the > only thing he does left handed. I don't think the footage > is backward. > > --- slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: >> >> From: "Green" >> To: >> >> One thing I found interesting was there is one "behind >> the scenes" section >> showing the band and entire crew having a meal together >> and it shows Eric >> eating with a fork or spoon in his LEFT hand. Across from >> him is Doyle with >> his fork or spoon in his right hand and he is left >> handed??? >> >> All of the others seem normal from what I can tell. That >> got me wondering >> if Eric has ever shown any other left handed tendencies. >> I know being left >> handed I can never or rarely remember using my right hand >> to eat with a fork >> or spoon. I then thought this reminded me of seeing a >> photograph mistakenly >> printed backwards. But after a closer review using DVD >> step viewing I >> noticed a syrup or ketchup bottle on the table with an HP >> label on it and it >> certainly didn't look backward? Anyone else notice this? >> >> Best >> >> Don Green >> >> > > > From KMaksin at NCICAP.org Wed Mar 2 23:58:35 2005 From: KMaksin at NCICAP.org (Ken Maksin) Date: Wed Mar 2 23:58:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric Clapton & Johhny Winter Message-ID: <46AD4BEC55E47248B97086AFCEC37DC99D1348@cafs01.ncicap.org> Hello Don, Eric did trade licks with Johnny Winter, live, at least once. It was during EC's tour with Muddy Waters in Muddy's home turf- Sweet Home Chicago- 1979. Muddy was the opening act and came out and belted out some blues while EC and JW traded licks. I was lucky enough to be there and see one of the best concerts of my life. Albert Lee, another excellent guitarist was Eric's second guitarist. Willie Dixon even came out during Muddy's set and sang a couple of songs. What a treat. Rolling Stone Mag did a review of the show. I've seen many shows since but none have lived up to that one. Thanks for taking me back... peace, ken m Don Green Wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was recently downloading some Itunes cuts of old Johnny Winter recordings from the late 60's and early 70's which I use to have on LPs and I also recently viewed the Crossroads Guitar festival held in Texas last year and this got me wondering why "Texas born" Johnny Winter didn't play there. ZZ Top certainly made their presence known. Eric never seemed to play with Johnny Winter? Considering how often he played with another Texan SRV I find this interesting. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050302/a835062d/attachment.html From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Thu Mar 3 00:00:03 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Thu Mar 3 00:00:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot References: <20050301201855.20515.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e901c51fad$dc9e43d0$638c29d8@Kelly> Hi Stephen, Glad you are posting. Pretending is great as well, but I always feel that is more likely to be everyone's favorite, and for me it's a few songs down on the list. I'm glad you mentioned Breaking Point though. BP is often my 2-3 favorite song on the album. Recently I was listening to it on headphones, and was kind of surprised by it. What I mean is that the little guitar parts here and there just sounded so much better, and naturally more in the open. Great song. And I agree also about being around at that time to catch one of the concerts. One of my favorite boots is from this particular period. Kelly ------------------ My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Wilson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot > Hi all, > > I've been lurking on this list now for about a year, > thought it was finally time to make myself heard as > another fairly young Clapton devotee. > > I also must admit I've been listening to Journeyman a > lot recently. My favorites are similar to yours > Kelly: Bad Love, No Alibis, but I also love Pretending > and Breaking Point. In most of the few live > recordings I have from his Journeyman tour, he'll open > with Pretending, followed by No Alabis, sweet! I > really wish I had been around during this period to > catch one of these concerts, as I think this is one of > his better periods, especially in terms of his soloing > technique. > > I've also been listening a lot to some of his shows > from this past tour. A couple of my favorites are his > show at the Pepsi Center in Denver and his show in San > Jose at the HP Pavilion on 7/31. I'd be interested to > hear everyone else's favorites from this tour. > > By the way, I just recently finished downloading a > truly awesome Clapton DVD off EZTree. If Zetti is on > this list, I must thank you for this superb treat, > such a good production, and a great show. The DVD > stems from Slowhand's string of concerts at the RAH in > 1990. This show was on January 24, and it was the > last night with the four piece band. The double disc, > NTSC-encoded DVD features pro shot video footage and > three audio tracks, including Dolby Digital and DTS. > More details are here: > http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/remastered-rah-dvd.htm > > Anyway, it is still available on EZTree if any of you > are lucky enough to have a membership and broadband. > For those who aren't as lucky, I've decided to offer > three copies to the list. Two will go to Slowhanders > with burners, and one copy to one without. Please > email me privately and include your snail mail address > and whether you can reoffer. Cheers, > > Stephen > > From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Thu Mar 3 00:27:40 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Thu Mar 3 00:27:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim References: <20050302203033.794338D029@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <01eb01c51fb1$b8504d30$638c29d8@Kelly> I'm in the boat with the people who like Pilgrim. I think the only thing that ever truly bothers me about the album is the drum machine. I can also go along with the production being a problem sometimes, but I think I understand what EC was going for. But if you want no mistakes or want to make something to perfect/glossy it can be kind of irritating. My favorites usually fall in this order: She's Gone Sick & Tired Born In Time Goin' Down Slow Broken Hearted One Chance Fall Like Rain My Father's Eyes Pilgrim River of Tears Circus Needs His Woman You Were There Inside of Me Kelly ---------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Thu Mar 3 02:07:38 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Thu Mar 3 02:07:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slow Talking Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E92B2@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Aren't you thinking of "I'm a Man"? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Almighty Geetarz [mailto:almighty_geetarz@yahoo.com] Sent: 02 March 2005 13:56 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slow Talking >> But I don't like the vocals on "Pretending". It sounds >> like slow >> talking, not singing. Pretty irritating, even live. Here's guessing you probably aren't a big Muddy Waters fan? LOL. Here's a horrid thought ... "Hoochie Coochie Man" with the vocals being *sung* ... UGH ! AG __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Thu Mar 3 02:11:47 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Thu Mar 3 02:12:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "And what do you do, Mr Clapton?" Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E92B3@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Now why didn't Eric simply say to the Queen: "I'm your son Charlie's neighbour on Antigua". I also have a rehab centre there, where you can send all your fop friend for a fix-up." -----Original Message----- From: Gaetano Villari [mailto:gaetano.villari@gmail.com] Sent: 02 March 2005 16:51 To: Slowhand Digest Subject: [Slowhand] "And what do you do, Mr Clapton?" COOL !! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4484-1507567,00.html London March 02, 2005 And what do you do, Mr Clapton? By Ben Hoyle and Adam Sherwin THE QUEEN welcomed some of the biggest names in British music to Buckingham Palace last night but had no idea who some of them were. Introduced to four of the country's most famous guitar heroes she asked: "And what do you do?" Brian May, from Queen the group, the first of the big names to be greeted by the real Queen, reminded her that he played the National Anthem on the roof of the Palace to start the 2002 Golden Jubilee rock concert. "Oh! That was you was it?" she exclaimed. Moving on to Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page, the Queen inquired: "Are you a guitarist too?" Eric Clapton took no chances and, firmly shaking the Queen's hand, introduced himself by name. "Have you been playing a long time?" the Queen asked. "It must be 45 years now," replied Clapton, 59. Next in the VIP line-up was Jeff Beck who, with Clapton, told the Queen that, with Page, all three had started off in the same band, the Yardbirds. "And we're all from Surrey," added Clapton. Later Clapton, now a teetotaller, praised the Queen for hosting the evening drinks and canap?s reception. "It's great to meet her - and it doesn't matter at all that she did not know who were are or what we do. I wouldn't expect her to." Despite their rock'n'roll habits, all four managed to arrive in good time for the reception, which is more than could be said of the former Spice Girl Geri Halliwell, who swanned into the party 40 minutes after it started and almost two hours after many of the 500 celebrity guests arrived. The one-time Ginger Spice, who once famously pinched Prince Charles's bottom, perhaps did not realise that the monarch is supposed to be the last person to arrive for a royal engagement. The Countess of Wessex, the Duke and Duchess of Kent and the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester all turned up before the Queen. The palace doors had to be reopened for Ms Halliwell when she arrived at 6.40pm, confusing palace officials who had assumed that she had decided not to attend. Ms Halliwell, who was also dressed more casually than most of the other female guests, in a pair of cream trousers, said she felt "fantastic" at being invited. The reception, the Queen's first for the music industry, was attended by guests with an average age of 54. Dame Vera Lynn, 87, and Humphrey Lyttelton, 83, also joined the party. The average age fell below 60 only because of Jamie Cullum, 24, the jazz prodigy, and Katie Melua, 20, the million-selling graduate of the Brit School for the Performing Arts and Technology. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Thu Mar 3 02:16:10 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Thu Mar 3 02:16:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Left handed.... Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E92B5@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Speak for yourself. I'm South African from English and German settlers three generations back. We eat the claimed American way, and not through TV. We only got it in 1975 and we have been eating this way for donkey's ears. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Robert Ender [mailto:roberte@comcast.net] Sent: 02 March 2005 17:19 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Left handed.... Kind of funny really, but an easy mistake. People in America cut with their knife in their right hand and fork in left, BUT then switch the fork and use it in their right hand for eating. People from England and other countries don't ever switch hands, so they keep the fork in their left hand while using it. And incidentally the tines of the fork usually remain pointed down instead of "shovel" style. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. From kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za Thu Mar 3 02:20:49 2005 From: kevin.wilson at arivia.co.za (Kevin Wilson) Date: Thu Mar 3 02:21:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Buddu Guy/Jr. Wells Play the Blues Message-ID: <6159F31F33EA1247987DD618D0559AE7033E92B6@sunwex01.arivia.kom> Over the years people have claimed that Eric's participation in this project was not up to standard because of his state of abuse at the time. However, I cannot be convinced that his contribution to "Bad Bad Whiskey" is not great and carries the song. Kevin _____ From: Tracy Warner [mailto:twarner34@comcast.net] Sent: 02 March 2005 20:22 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Buddu Guy/Jr. Wells Play the Blues Anyone heard anything about the 2-CD, expanded version of this disc coming out next week? E.C. was co-producer (w/ Tom Dowd and Ahmet Ertegun) and plays slide on the album. He has said that this was the depth of the drug days and he doesn't remember recording it. The E.C. songs were recorded in '70; Buddy and Jr. did a couple more cuts in '72 w/ J. Geils Band to complete the LP. NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/046011db/attachment.html From klaassen at coastweb.de Thu Mar 3 02:34:07 2005 From: klaassen at coastweb.de (Gerd Klaassen) Date: Thu Mar 3 02:35:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: Drop the needle and play...a lot Message-ID: <4226BDEF.1070508@coastweb.de> Just like a prisoner, from Behind the Sun - anyone? Don't like the album (like August, Reptile, Pilgrim etc.), but that song I found really good. Gerd http://www.12bar.de From trevork1 at iinet.net.au Thu Mar 3 04:16:40 2005 From: trevork1 at iinet.net.au (Trevor) Date: Thu Mar 3 04:16:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re-And What Do You Do Mr Clapton Message-ID: <000001c51fd1$b6937470$f7b13bcb@xp> I am sure that Eric must have been somewhat put out by this remark considering that he has an OBE and a CBE, gongs previously presented at Buck Palace. With the greatest of respect Liz, where have you been for the last almost half a century? It really shows that you have lost contact with your subjects. Who the heck would allow some long haired middle aged man that they had never heard of stand on their roof tiles and disturb their neighbours by loudly playing of all things GOD SAVE THE QUEEN on an electric guitar?. Reminds me somewhat of Hendrix and his Star Bangled Banner on 4 July. And Mrs, what are you going to say when Eric turns up next year on your doorstep and you have to whack him over the shoulder with a sword?....the mind boggles. Please can I have an invite? Trevor An Ex Brit P.S.. For DN and this has very little EC content.. I would hazard a guess that 99.99999% of all Brits, Irish, Scots, Taffies, Germans, Dutchies, Frenchman, Spaniards, Italians, South Africans, Russians and anywhere in Europe etc, etc ..you name them (but not Americans) hold their fork in their left hand and their knife and spoon in their right hand ( unless of course they are sinistral to start with). They push food onto their fork ( which is in their left hand) with their knife (which is in their right hand) and pick up any other food , soup and deserts etc with their spoon , which is in their right hand. Get the message?. We have done that for upwards of 1000 years, why change now. If it ain't broke don't mend it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/fd516469/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Mar 3 05:50:48 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Mar 3 05:50:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC Left-handed? Message-ID: <001801c51fde$dd5b34f0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> P.S.. For DN and this has very little EC content. I would hazard a guess >> that 99.99999% of all Brits, Irish, Scots, Taffies, Germans, Dutchies, >> Frenchman, Spaniards, Italians, South Africans, Russians and anywhere in >> Europe etc, etc ..you name them (but not Americans) hold their fork in >> their left hand and their knife and spoon in their right hand (unless of >> course they are sinistral to start with). They push food onto their fork >> ( which is in their left hand) with their knife (which is in their right >> hand) and pick up any other food, soup and deserts etc with their spoon , >> which is in their right hand. Get the message?. We have done that for >> upwards of 1000 years, why change now. If it ain't broke don't mend it. >> << Trevor, You have NO argument from me. In fact, here (again) is what I wrote yesterday (I guess you missed it or misunderstood). > This is a European custom, not just British. In fact, I wouldn't be > surprised if it were the international norm (for those who use silverware, > of course). Why? So you don't have to keep switching your fork from right > hand to left hand to right hand to ... duh. It makes life a little bit > simpler. < My family is also from Europe. They eat this way. So, I'm a bit baffled by your PS. Why did you write this for my benefit, when we're fully in agreement? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/48519cf9/attachment-0001.html From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 06:15:21 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Thu Mar 3 06:15:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] both hands for the slowhands Message-ID: <20050303111521.69273.qmail@web51506.mail.yahoo.com> I eat with my hands.This has been our tribal custom since the earth began. Zimbobfestway Mike --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's the purpose of the Slowhand Digest! DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/8788377a/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 08:57:18 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Mar 3 08:57:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: A Complaint Against Cream Message-ID: <20050303135719.39743.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> Forgot to mention this earlier, but on the day tickets were released for Cream, don't know if anyone was listening to Johnny Walker on Radio 2, but someone complained. He said he was at the original Farewell concert, and therefore should get a refund under the trade descriptions act! ---------- That is 100% correct, and has been a pet peeve of mine for some time. When a band breaks up, releases a "final" album, or goes on a "final" tour, I think they should be held to it simply for Truth in Advertising. I don't care if it's the Stones, the Who, Cream, whoever. I'm willing to put down $100 right now that says that sometime in the next 20 years, we will be subjected to the inevitable "Phish Reunion Tour" once the band members start running out of cash. Personally I have more respect for those people who make decisions and stick with them, whether they're rock stars, businessmen, politicians, or just regular people. Now onto other complaints. The JBL ads for the 2004 Clapton tour read "57 Cities, 126 Encores, One Speaker Company". Now, if one is *very* charitable and counts 2 songs as two encores (since EC is the Ultimate Lazy Slacker, I will give him this much), 57 shows means 114 encores. That means EC owes me, and all of you, 12 more encores. In an overly litigious society, infested with attorneys, where fast food places must have a big sign saying "Warning! Coffee is HOT!!!", you would think someone would file suit to make EC come out and play the encores. He owes us !!! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 09:05:25 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:05:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Left vs. Right Handed Message-ID: <20050303140525.38072.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> Interesting to hear that Doyle is right handed. This has bothered me ever since I began playing guitar, and if you think about it, most people play the guitar "backwards". A right handed person naturally has more strength and dexterity on with the right hand, so wouldn't it seem to reason that one should fret with the right hand, since that hand has so much more to do, while the left hand simply strums and picks notes? At least for me, personally, when I began playing, it was the left hand I had more trouble with, and when flipping the guitar upside down, it seemed much easier to play "lefty" although I am agressively right handed. But convention won in the end, and I never tried to play "lefty" since then. My uneducated guess is that the way guitar is played is from tradition, where guitar used to be only a rhythm instrument, and the left hand was used only for holding chords while the right hand did most of the work. More "modern" guitar playing has the left hand doing more work, while with most people the right hand only picks notes and strums chords. Of course, once you get into the fingerstyle field, or someeone like Danny Gatton or Roy Buchanan, who had amazing right hand technique, all bets are off. But for blues-style playing, I would think it would be easier for a right hander to play lefty! Maybe that's why I suck so much as a guitar player. It's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it ! AG __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 09:16:52 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:16:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Re: Slow Talking Message-ID: <20050303141652.56409.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> Aren't you thinking of "I'm a Man"? Kevin ------- Hrm, no, pretty much anything Muddy ever "sang" was just "slow talking". The same is true of most of the blues guys. Aside from picking on you, my point was that it's part of the idiom. For me (and I would assume most of the folks on the list), my favorite vocalists are people who in the majority of people's minds would not be considered great "singers". I personally don't care for the pavarotti type singing, or for the celene dion, etc. type of thing. I'd much rather listen to the Howlin' Wolf anyday than be subjected to anything that might win "American Idol" or similar tripe. Although EC might not agree, I would consider him one of my favorite singers. Yet it is interesting that as with so much in life, and with only so many hours in the day, there is a limit to how much one person can focus on anything. Time spent on one thing, takes time away from other things. At the end, life is a zero-sum game based on the cruel principles of the clock. So it does seem that the better one is at an instrument, the worse they are at another, or singing. As EC's singing prowess has grown amazingly (check out the a cappella rendition of "Pilgrim" and say no more), he has spent less time focusing on his guitar playing. I would say the same was true of anyone else I can think of regarded as being at the top of their craft ... Beck, Page, Buchanan, Gatton, Vai, Satriani, the list goes on. When one can't sing, I would argue that the entirety of one's expression is FORCED to come out through the instrument, whereas when one begins to sing a lot more emotion is devoted that way. And the vicey versa is true as well. Pick anyone from "popular" music at the top of the charts that is regarded as having a great voice, and you won't find any who are regarded as excellent instrumentalists. True, they may be able to accompany themselves on an instrument, but I am talking about virtuoso instrumental musicianship. AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 09:25:48 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:25:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Lay off the Queen! Message-ID: <20050303142548.45001.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> Man you folks are vicious on the poor old broad. Can you imagine how many of these ceremonial things happen every day? I would imagine it's nonstop, and let's face it, it's a different generation. How about if any of you were introduced to a room full of Rap artists, you would be going "and what do you do, Mr. Busta Cap?" Let's face it, in the past decade EC's given up Armani and gone for the Janitor Look, she probably was wondering why they were awarding the guy who in her mind was there to mop out the toilets. Give the poor woman a break, she's got enough problems of her own going on and is certainly distracted. I mean, the poor girl is already upset, her kid is trying to marry a commoner instead of his sister or whatever they're supposed to do to keep the bloodline as inbred as possible. She's probably so loaded up on Prozac right now that if they told her EC was a space alien she'd just play along. ;) AG __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:04:05 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:04:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] natural gifts & cutlery Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105030307045e2ece8b@mail.gmail.com> Susan, >- hope this was short and succinct enough and not too revealing of me and my life, current or >past (stop) > >Gaetano, > >This is an e-community. Let people feel open to say what they will. Otherwise, it is just a >poll and a "generator" void of personality. IMHO, anyway. I totally agree. I was obviously asking (ironically) that people here wouldn't reply to single messages by quoting the whole digest issue at the foot of their own post, which I think makes reading a pretty ghastly experience to most of us. Checking that several hundreds lines are not included in one's reply shoudn't be such a challenging or demanding task, even for the least gifted Slowhanders, should it? Ever heard of the "copy and paste" practice? I was hoping there would be a chance for kidding on this, better luck next time. As for the cutlery issue, I think having to use a knife is a damned good reason for holding it with one's favourite hand. What about holding anything else needed with the spare one then LOL? Cheers Gaetano From dermotorirl at aol.com Thu Mar 3 10:10:47 2005 From: dermotorirl at aol.com (Dermot O'Reilly) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:10:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Left vs. Right Handed Message-ID: <422728F7.7000408@aol.com> Hi, Just to push that point home further Mark Knopfler is left handed but plays right handed due to early but obviously highly unsuccessful violin lessons :-) From desosa at fiat.com Thu Mar 3 10:36:02 2005 From: desosa at fiat.com (FERNANDEZ de SOSA Juan Manuel) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:34:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD offer closed Message-ID: <6754CD43E415D411B32E00508B6D28D203E1739B@ex1madntd01.its.it> The DVDs (PAL format) will go to: James Jackson (USA) with burner Eric Lacroix (France) with burner Marvin McGee (USA) burnerless Greetings, Juanma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/e96c5424/attachment.html From turbineltd at btconnect.com Thu Mar 3 10:46:41 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:43:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 135 References: <20050303150410.820E78D0F4@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <001001c52008$34482e20$0100a8c0@dellws410> AG mooted ... > When one can't sing, I would argue that the entirety > of one's expression is FORCED to come out through the > instrument, whereas when one begins to sing a lot more > emotion is devoted that way. And the vicey versa is > true as well. Pick anyone from "popular" music at the > top of the charts that is regarded as having a great > voice, and you won't find any who are regarded as > excellent instrumentalists. True, they may be able to > accompany themselves on an instrument, but I am > talking about virtuoso instrumental musicianship. > AG Okay, I can't answer the question directly, because my candidate is a "well-kept secret" and by definition can't be "popular". So let's start off with a "virtuoso instrumental musician", on BOTH acoustic and electric guitar, (maybe mandolin too), that is an excellent vocalist: Richard Thompson Regarding Queenie: She should have been properly briefed, unless she is going the way of the il Papa. Dinner Etiquette, (zero EC content) Everyone knows that if you live in southern India, not only do you eat with your fingers, but since the food is so moist, you have to lick your arm. That's no forking good, is it? BTW, Pilgrim sucks, as you yanks might say. I only played it once and had to check the sleeve notes to see whether I'd bought the wrong item. In fact if someone wants to pay the postage, I'll gladly ship it to them ;~) John From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 3 10:46:52 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (Simon George) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:47:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Left vs. Right Handed References: <20050303140525.38072.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009001c52008$395eaba0$0100a8c0@main> I am a left-hander who plays a right-handed guitar, and I have to agree, although I notice if I'm listening to music its the Left hand that taps out the beat, so maybe time keeping would be better played the proper way around, I guess I'll never know. Still it hasn't held Mark Knopfler and Gary Moore back, both of whom site being 'south-paws' as making bending easier due to stronger fingers on the fretting hand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almighty Geetarz" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Left vs. Right Handed > Interesting to hear that Doyle is right handed. > > This has bothered me ever since I began playing > guitar, and if you think about it, most people play > the guitar "backwards". A right handed person > naturally has more strength and dexterity on with the > right hand, so wouldn't it seem to reason that one > should fret with the right hand, since that hand has > so much more to do, while the left hand simply strums > and picks notes? At least for me, personally, when I > began playing, it was the left hand I had more trouble > with, and when flipping the guitar upside down, it > seemed much easier to play "lefty" although I am > agressively right handed. But convention won in the > end, and I never tried to play "lefty" since then. > > My uneducated guess is that the way guitar is played > is from tradition, where guitar used to be only a > rhythm instrument, and the left hand was used only for > holding chords while the right hand did most of the > work. More "modern" guitar playing has the left hand > doing more work, while with most people the right hand > only picks notes and strums chords. > > Of course, once you get into the fingerstyle field, or > someeone like Danny Gatton or Roy Buchanan, who had > amazing right hand technique, all bets are off. But > for blues-style playing, I would think it would be > easier for a right hander to play lefty! > > Maybe that's why I suck so much as a guitar player. > It's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it ! > > AG > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Mar 3 11:31:56 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Thu Mar 3 11:32:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slow Talking Message-ID: <030320051631.14996.42273BFC0000918700003A942207003201050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> >> As EC's singing prowess has grown amazingly (check out the a cappella rendition of "Pilgrim" and say no more), he has spent less time focusing on his guitar playing. << Hey, that's MY line! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/598abbba/attachment.html From susbastille at msn.com Thu Mar 3 12:02:02 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Thu Mar 3 12:03:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] literal interpretation Message-ID: >>Any hope of having some folks writing replies without quoting their whole previous life? 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Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From artaarias at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 12:08:42 2005 From: artaarias at yahoo.com (Art Arias) Date: Thu Mar 3 12:08:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: A Complaint against Cream Message-ID: <20050303170842.81248.qmail@web21127.mail.yahoo.com> <> OK then, give the guy back the $3.50 he paid for his ticket way back whenever and call it even! __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From g.reen at comcast.net Thu Mar 3 12:39:05 2005 From: g.reen at comcast.net (Green) Date: Thu Mar 3 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Left Handed? Message-ID: <20050303173908.ECABD8CF35@six.pairlist.net> Well that comment certainly brought out a lot of interesting discussion and insights. I now wonder how so many here know about various guitarists being right handed or left outside their guitar playing. I guess the next question is does Doyle Bramhall have his guitar strings reversed or upside down like Albert King did? Can anyone think of other players who have done it? I also find it interesting watching electric guitarists who primarily use only their fingers or finger nails no picks, to play, Jeff Beck for one example. Lindsey Buckingham and Derek Trucks have some of the most interesting picking techniques. Don From gwornex at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 13:19:08 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Thu Mar 3 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Her Majesty Message-ID: <20050303181909.39603.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> Give the Queen a break....You can't expect the old girl to know who all these rock stars are........ She thought the Beatles were in the pest extermination business when she awarded them their MBE's in '65............ g.w. From darmel at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 3 13:29:23 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Thu Mar 3 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim Message-ID: <20050303182923.1079.qmail@web81703.mail.yahoo.com> My boot live collection from the Pilgrim tour gets much more play in our house than the released 'album.' Like many slowhanders have opinion-ed, I feel that the released album is over-produced. The drum machine percussion ruins it for me, but I don't care much for the vocals either. It seems as though the project was worked and re-worked and then worked over again to the point of loosing its very original soulful content. Perhaps, what I see as 'over-worked' was EC's mission (his obsession) for perfection. I love the project from the sense that it was a gift, of sorts. EC shared a rather painful time in his life with world. Writing from his heart, one can usually tell what was going on in EC's life by the songs that he wrote at the time - good love, bad love, addiction, depression, reflection, pain, sorrow. Then again - I have a good friend who loves the released album. So, what the heck do I know??? :-) Mel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/b51d8b70/attachment.html From Debby at Avalonrecords.com Thu Mar 3 13:34:06 2005 From: Debby at Avalonrecords.com (RMS1) Date: Thu Mar 3 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim Message-ID: <62077A6BF0B05542B9746792F5771A1E488A@mewtwo.RMS.local> I agree (mostly) with Ken. I prefer "Circus Left Town" the way it was done on the Unplugged show as it was first broadcast on MTV. Luckily, I still have the original on videotape. Debby J. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norris [mailto:Ken_Norris@umit.maine.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:53 PM To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim 50% of Pilgrim is brilliant. The other 50% of Pilgrim is awful. It's hard to believe it's all on the same album. The one song I think they ruined with the production is Circus. It sounds a lot better on concert recordings. Whereas, for me, much of Reptile comes off as light and forgettable, there is some of EC's best work on Pilgrim: My Father's Eyes, River of Tears, Brokenhearted, Pilgrim, She's Gone, Going Down Slow, and yes, Inside of Me. But that album was belabored and, as producers, I think they learned their lesson. Best, Ken From Debby at Avalonrecords.com Thu Mar 3 13:44:49 2005 From: Debby at Avalonrecords.com (RMS1) Date: Thu Mar 3 13:44:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Left-handed? Message-ID: <62077A6BF0B05542B9746792F5771A1E488C@mewtwo.RMS.local> Yes, this IS a European custom. In 1971, I had the opportunity to go to Europe with a group of other students (14 - 19 years old), and we were shown and encouraged to try the European way of handling a knife and fork. They also don't cut up the entire piece of meat at once; you spear it with the fork in your left hand, cut it off with the knife, and then lift it to your mouth, preferably laying down the fork & knife between bites. I tried it out, and have eaten that way ever since. It seems more refined. :-) Debby J. ________________________________ From: DeltaNick [mailto:deltanick@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:18 PM To: Slowhand Digest Subject: [Slowhand] EC Left-handed? >> I think Brits use a fork and spoon with their left hand, knife in the right. They turn the fork down, using a knife to push the food on the back of the fork. Don't know why but it seems to be the case. << This is a European custom, not just British. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the international norm (for those who use silverware, of course). Why? So you don't have to keep switching your fork from right hand to left hand to right hand to ... duh. It makes life a little bit simpler. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/de20ce9f/attachment.html From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 14:07:32 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Thu Mar 3 14:07:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Guitar Playing Message-ID: <20050303190733.58908.qmail@web51506.mail.yahoo.com> I think most Guitar Players would agree,The pick hand is the key hand in guitar playing whether you use a pick or not.With practice it is easy to fly all over the place with your fingering hand, but with the pick hand every note has to be precise and clean. The hardest part with the fingering hand is learning all of the different chords.There are some chords where you have to stretch five or six frets.Thats been my experience anyway. Oh well,I'm off to stoll down the street to the Gibson Factory to see if they are working on a guitar for EC's Cream Concerts. Reporting live from Memphis this is Memphis Mike --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/8a4bf22e/attachment.html From stwil at pacbell.net Thu Mar 3 14:51:31 2005 From: stwil at pacbell.net (Stephen Wilson) Date: Thu Mar 3 14:51:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Offer Closed: RAH Remaster DVD Message-ID: <20050303195131.5049.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, The offer is now closed for the RAH Remaster DVD. Sorry to all I couldn't accommodate. I ended up just taking the first five emails I received. All winners have been notified. Copies will go out next week. Look for these Slowhanders to reoffer in the near future: Etienne etienne.genaux"AT"neuf.fr Achim Joachim.Altschuh"AT"t-online.de Zbyszek garbarek"AT"wp.pl Bruce stingle"AT"visi.com Regards, Stephen From david_langley at btconnect.com Thu Mar 3 15:31:23 2005 From: david_langley at btconnect.com (Dave Langley) Date: Thu Mar 3 15:33:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Buddy Guy & Junior Wells Play The Blues: New Release Date Message-ID: <00f001c5202f$f7b34580$680927d9@p2j6t4> Received a email from Rhino Handmade Records advising me that the release date for the above has been put back to 28th June 2005. Regards Dave From adijo at comcast.net Thu Mar 3 17:35:43 2005 From: adijo at comcast.net (aj) Date: Thu Mar 3 17:35:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] contest Message-ID: <001201c52041$565e2260$f26f8318@addie> Can't be any more of a long shot than trying to get through on the phone. Win Cream tickets. http://www.q1043.com/main.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/9fee8130/attachment-0001.html From Dale.Kalina at rrd.com Thu Mar 3 17:45:08 2005 From: Dale.Kalina at rrd.com (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) Date: Thu Mar 3 17:45:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Left Handed Message-ID: Don asked: I guess the next question is does Doyle Bramhall have his guitar strings reversed or upside down like Albert King did? When I saw Doyle with EC from the cheap seats, I thought his fingering was very strange. It was only when I saw close-ups of him on the projection screen was it obvious that although he was playing a left-handed guitar, it was strung in reverse. I guess he must have learned playing a righty guitar upside down then got a lefty version that has been strung like an upside down right handed instrument. Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/ed11f124/attachment.html From adijo at comcast.net Thu Mar 3 17:57:35 2005 From: adijo at comcast.net (aj) Date: Thu Mar 3 17:57:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD Message-ID: <005001c52044$6450d090$f26f8318@addie> Thanks to Bruce I can offer 3 copies of this DVD to the first 3 addressees I receive. Winners will be notified. The DVD says it's in PAL format. I can play it on my regular DVD player, however I have heard from people who received the Cardiff DVD from me that they are unable to play it on a regular DVD player. I don't know why. Just want to let you know - it may work for you or may not. aj -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/eea0e442/attachment.html From jbroholm at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 3 18:56:16 2005 From: jbroholm at sbcglobal.net (John Broholm) Date: Thu Mar 3 18:56:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] left/right hand difficulty In-Reply-To: <20050303223537.33DAD8C554@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050303235616.97810.qmail@web81010.mail.yahoo.com> I agree totally. I began playing guitar in my late teens and thought I was learning good technique because I concentrated on my left hand. My left hand isn't too bad, but some 25 or so years later when I fell in with bluegrassers (think: blazing tempos), I had to *completely* change my right-hand "technique," which would have had to rally to be terrible. 'Course I still can't catch up with the bluegrassers, but now when I play along on blues and rock stuff, I have a fighting chance. All because of improved right-hand technique. Fast, clean, precise picking is the hardest skill. Right-handers play instruments the way they do for a reason. If you're just strumming, I guess it makes a lot less difference. But if you seriously play, the right hand has the toughest job. By the way, all kinds of people who're primarily left-handed do many things right-handed out of convenience (just try using scissors left-handed) or because the school systems forced them to. My dad is a wonderful woodcarver (the gene seems to have skipped me), and he's nearly ambidextrous because he had to be. Wound up writing lefty, but throwing and batting righty. Many other things, like handling tools, he can do equally well either way. JB ------- >>>I think most Guitar Players would agree,The pick hand is the key hand in guitar playing whether you use a pick or not.With practice it is easy to fly all over the place with your fingering hand, but with the pick hand every note has to be precise and clean.   The hardest part with the fingering hand is learning all of the different chords.There are some chords where you have to stretch five or six frets.Thats been my experience anyway.   Oh well,I'm off to stoll down the street to the Gibson Factory to see if they are working on a guitar for EC's Cream Concerts.   Reporting live from Memphis this is Memphis Mike<<< From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 20:36:01 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Mar 3 20:36:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Dropping By Gibson Message-ID: <20050304013601.71213.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Oh well,I'm off to stoll down the street to the Gibson Factory to see if they are working on a guitar for EC's Cream Concerts. ---------- >From what I am told, you're too late as EC has already taken delivery of a couple ES-335s recently. They are however still working on the SG at the Custom Shop YMMV, etc. AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bluez4u2 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 22:26:08 2005 From: bluez4u2 at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Thu Mar 3 22:26:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 137 In-Reply-To: <20050303223537.DF2FD8C56C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050304032608.67087.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com> Yes Doyle Bramhall II plays the guitar with the strings upside down like Albert King. Some current players that also play that way are Coco Montoya and Eric Gales. --- slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:39:05 -0800 > Subject: [Slowhand] Left Handed? > > Well that comment certainly brought out a lot of > interesting discussion and > insights. I now wonder how so many here know about > various guitarists being > right handed or left outside their guitar playing. > > I guess the next question is does Doyle Bramhall have his > guitar strings > reversed or upside down like Albert King did? Can anyone > think of other > players who have done it? > > I also find it interesting watching electric guitarists > who primarily use > only their fingers or finger nails no picks, to play, > Jeff Beck for one > example. Lindsey Buckingham and Derek Trucks have some > of the most > interesting picking techniques. > > Don From downtownstreets at hotmail.com Thu Mar 3 22:28:50 2005 From: downtownstreets at hotmail.com (Fabio Dwyer) Date: Thu Mar 3 22:29:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Upside Down... In-Reply-To: <20050303223537.DF2FD8C56C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: >I guess the next question is does Doyle Bramhall have his guitar strings >reversed or upside down like Albert King did? Can anyone think of other >players who have done it? Coco Montoya. He's amazing, much better than DB, IMHO. Cheers, Fabio PS. Eric doesn't change hands with the fork because HE'S LAZY. Period. From mangs88 at verizon.net Thu Mar 3 23:17:12 2005 From: mangs88 at verizon.net (sam mangano) Date: Thu Mar 3 23:17:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim References: <20050303182923.1079.qmail@web81703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c52071$0c1149a0$2d01a8c0@Family> i had a friend who borrowed it, and when he returned it to me, basically said it was the most depressing thing he had ever heard......... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mel Boss To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim My boot live collection from the Pilgrim tour gets much more play in our house than the released 'album.' Like many slowhanders have opinion-ed, I feel that the released album is over-produced. The drum machine percussion ruins it for me, but I don't care much for the vocals either. It seems as though the project was worked and re-worked and then worked over again to the point of loosing its very original soulful content. Perhaps, what I see as 'over-worked' was EC's mission (his obsession) for perfection. I love the project from the sense that it was a gift, of sorts. EC shared a rather painful time in his life with world. Writing from his heart, one can usually tell what was going on in EC's life by the songs that he wrote at the time - good love, bad love, addiction, depression, reflection, pain, sorrow. Then again - I have a good friend who loves the released album. So, what the heck do I know??? :-) Mel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050303/716d7e93/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 00:39:26 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Fri Mar 4 00:39:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: <20050304053926.7037.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> i had a friend who borrowed it, and when he returned it to me, basically said it was the most depressing thing he had ever heard......... ------- That is interesting, especially in light of the fact that I do remember EC saying in an interview, that he indeed set out to make the most depressing album ever made, or words to that effect! So in that case, it reached its goal. Funny that so many people dislike the production of Pilgrim so much (as do I), when in fact it is no more and no less a reflection of the time when it was made than are "Disreali Gears", "Layla", "461", etc. As a movie reviewer once noted, one could watch 8 movies made about a single era, let's say the American Revolution, each made in a different decade, all with a dedication to accuracy, yet the viewer will instantly be able to tell when each movie was made. The same is true, good or bad, of albums. But sometimes we are all a victim of our times, and simply roll with the punches. Fortunately for me, unlike Eric, I did escape the awful Goatee Explosion of the late '90s, which thankfully does seem to be subsiding! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 4 05:48:30 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Mar 4 05:48:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: <002801c520a7$b5d74b20$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Funny that so many people dislike the production of Pilgrim so much (as >> do I), when in fact it is no more and no less a reflection of the time >> when it was made than are "Disreali Gears", "Layla", "461", etc. << Alas, there was a time when Clapton wasn't a follower as much as a creator. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From bluez4u2 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 07:53:17 2005 From: bluez4u2 at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Fri Mar 4 07:53:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 138 In-Reply-To: <20050304104841.49DAD8C976@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050304125317.14874.qmail@web54105.mail.yahoo.com> Coco Montoya is very good but I wouldn't say he's better than DBII. Coco's playing technique is very common while Doyle's technique is very unorthodox and what makes him unique. Anybody that has ever seen Doyle really play up close can attest to his unique style. I think that is a blessing and a curse for him. Doyle's die hard fans love him because of his uniqueness yet the world at large doesn't accept him because he is so different in his approach to playing and overall musicianship. Hell Clapton even had to ask him to teach him how to play I wanna be and Marry you because he couldn't figure the chords out. I think Doyle's unique playing style is why Clapton, Roger Waters and others have sought him out. They wanted somebody different that was not just going to copy their songs. They wanted him to add something different to the music. BTW, I also hear that Coco is a real jerk in person especially towards women. --- slowhand-request@planet-torque.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 3.6 message/rfc822 > From: "Fabio Dwyer" > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > > Coco Montoya. He's amazing, much better than DB, IMHO. > > Cheers, > Fabio > From james.t.jackson at lmco.com Fri Mar 4 07:40:52 2005 From: james.t.jackson at lmco.com (Jackson, James T) Date: Fri Mar 4 08:15:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Left Handed Message-ID: <71105A6B5347F3429BF8732998C2307606571FC9@emss04m11.us.lmco.com> When I first saw DB II, he was with Roger Waters and upon watching him play, I saw that he was playing left handed on a guitar that had a left handed body(control knobs at bottom), a right handed neck (knobs on machine head up) and was strung up-side-down (right handed) I thought it was quite odd, but sounded quite good. Jim James.T.Jackson@lmco.com Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:45:08 -0600 From: Dale.Kalina@rrd.com Subject: [Slowhand] Left Handed When I saw Doyle with EC from the cheap seats, I thought his fingering was very strange. It was only when I saw close-ups of him on the projection screen was it obvious that although he was playing a left-handed guitar, it was strung in reverse. I guess he must have learned playing a righty guitar upside down then got a lefty version that has been strung like an upside down right handed instrument. Dale From boultonaj at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 10:09:50 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Fri Mar 4 10:10:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: <> Was he not a follower from the start? Does he not admit to following the style of all the famous bluesmen? Is he not still doing that? When did he create something totally new? He interpretes stuff in his own way and he flips from genre to genre, but as for being a "creator" it is hard to see that. Tony From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:05:17 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:08:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer closed: Paris DVD Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105030408056bce67c0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, this offer is now closed, look for Olli from Finland to reoffer it. Cheers Gaetano From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:05:17 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:08:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer closed: Paris DVD Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105030408056bce67c0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, this offer is now closed, look for Olli from Finland to reoffer it. Cheers Gaetano From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:05:17 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:08:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer closed: Paris DVD Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105030408056bce67c0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, this offer is now closed, look for Olli from Finland to reoffer it. Cheers Gaetano From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:05:17 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:08:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer closed: Paris DVD Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105030408056bce67c0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, this offer is now closed, look for Olli from Finland to reoffer it. Cheers Gaetano From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:05:17 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:08:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer closed: Paris DVD Message-ID: <2fcd9d4105030408056bce67c0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, this offer is now closed, look for Olli from Finland to reoffer it. Cheers Gaetano From adijo at comcast.net Fri Mar 4 11:29:08 2005 From: adijo at comcast.net (aj) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:28:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris DVD CLOSED Message-ID: <003e01c520d7$4a37b730$f26f8318@addie> I have 4 who will get copies of the Paris DVD. 3 burners who will reoffer. They go to: Olli- Finland Oliver- France - Martin-USA Troud-Norway They have been notified. Everyone else please look for more offers. Thanks aj -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050304/fd47a8d4/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:51:51 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:52:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer closed: Paris DVD Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050304085139143096@mail.gmail.com> Hi, this offer is now closed, look for Olli from Finland to reoffer it. Cheers Gaetano From joe_rigg at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 12:08:49 2005 From: joe_rigg at hotmail.com (Joe Rigg) Date: Fri Mar 4 12:09:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Pilgrim / Lefties Message-ID: Hello everyone, A quick note on left handers who played with the strings in reverse. Otis Rush used to sneak a go on his older brother's guitar when he left for work. His brother was right handed, Otis wasn't, so he learnt chords and patterns the "wrong" way around. It is interesting that the whole Pilgrim debate as picked up again at the same time as Eric is featured on Marcus Miller's new album. I've read somewhere, think it was a Climie interview in some sound production magazine, that the album started out with Miller producing it. I think there were seven numbers or so co-written by EC and Miller. Remember, this would be around the same time as Legends stuff. For some reason, the session was put on hold, moved to London and Climie brought in. Climie mentioned that River of Tears had to be edited down from about half an hour of stuff!! I think it is a real shame that the sessions with MM were aborted if the Legends stuff and Miller's credentials are anything to go by. Silver Rain, according to Miller's website, was written for the album that ended up as Pilgrim. I do not know the opinions on others of the Legends concerts and material, but I thought it showed EC playing in an entirely different mode to normal, and had him being pushed, and playing well as a result. An official release of maybe the Montreux show would, in my opinion, enhanced EC's reputation more than Pilgrim did. It is a real shame that many people, myself included, do not like the production of Pilgrim, as I believe it contains some of his strongest material since the Layla album. For my money, the only songs that work with the drum machine set-up are Pilgrim and Inside Of Me. I wish someone, maybe the folks at Geetarz, would compile an alternate album to prove the point. Father's Eyes from Brighton '92, or Unplugged. Circus from Unplugged. Brokenhearted from Monserrat!! River of Tears from Ahoy '01 etc. etc. My bootleg collection is far from extensive, but the songs mentioned are far better than there album counterparts, I would also be interested to see other people's choices. Is there any chance Geetarz could post the a capella version of Pilgrim everyone is raving about, it sounds good! Best Wishes, Joe. From turbineltd at btconnect.com Fri Mar 4 12:22:26 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Fri Mar 4 12:18:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: offer closed: Paris DVD Message-ID: <020f01c520de$bf0c2580$0100a8c0@dellws410> It looks like Olli is going to get a lot of copies, I'd settle for just one ;~) From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 12:38:06 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Fri Mar 4 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] apologies Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050304093820d6af61@mail.gmail.com> Apologies, apologies, apologies. Cheers Gaetano P.S.: I once saw Coco Montoya play alongside Walter Trout with The John Mayall's Bluesbreakers from very close, and I was amazed at their technique/skills. Besides, the whole band, especially Coco, were very friendly and nice when I had a chance to say hello to them after the show. From scottw at racerxill.com Fri Mar 4 13:20:21 2005 From: scottw at racerxill.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Fri Mar 4 13:22:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Coco Montoya Message-ID: <02b001c520e7$15088020$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> <<>> I have had the unique pleasure of sitting in with Coco and of him sitting in with my band a few times in the late 80's and early 90's.In a couple of San Fernando Valley clubs. He was always incredibly friendly and gracious. He never tried to show us up as his skills were way beyond ours. One time I was on the road for work and saw that John Mayall was playing at the Royal Oak in Detroit area. I got there and saw Coco setting up. I said Hi and he recognized me and took the time to say Hi shake hands etc. while getting ready for a big gig. As far as women go....all I know is he taught his girlfriend Debbie Davies how to play some mean guitar. I saw her in LA when she was touring with John Mayall's wife's band Maggie Mayall and the Cadillac's... Wow what a player! Scott From scottw at racerxill.com Fri Mar 4 13:23:55 2005 From: scottw at racerxill.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Fri Mar 4 13:24:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Coco Montoya Message-ID: <02ba01c520e7$5ac548a0$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> <<>> I have had the unique pleasure of sitting in with Coco and of him sitting in with my band a few times in the late 80's and early 90's.In a couple of San Fernando Valley clubs. He was always incredibly friendly and gracious. He never tried to show us up as his skills were way beyond ours. One time I was on the road for work and saw that John Mayall was playing at the Royal Oak in Detroit area. I got there and saw Coco setting up. I said Hi and he recognized me and took the time to say Hi shake hands etc. while getting ready for a big gig. As far as women go....all I know is he taught his girlfriend Debbie Davies how to play some mean guitar. I saw her in LA when she was touring with John Mayall's wife's band Maggie Mayall and the Cadillac's... Wow what a player! P.S. And it all started with a chance meeting in the mid-1970s with legendary bluesman Albert Collins, who offered Montoya a gig as his drummer. Albert took an immediate liking to Montoya, becoming his mentor and teaching his new prot?g? secrets of the Collins "icy hot" style of blues guitar. Five years later, John Mayall happened to catch Montoya at a jam session and was blown away. This led to Montoya's touring the world for ten years with the legendary Bluesbreakers. Scott From scottw at racerxill.com Fri Mar 4 14:15:03 2005 From: scottw at racerxill.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Fri Mar 4 14:15:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC fantasy cd Message-ID: <033301c520ee$7c191110$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> Just for fun. Pick one song only from each of Eric's solo albums for a fantasy CD Here's mine: Let It Rain: Eric Clapton Please Be With Me: 461 Ocean Blvd High: There's One in Every Crowd Can't Find My Way Home:EC Was Here Carnival: No Reason To Cry Tell Me that You Love Me:Backless The Core: Slowhand Further On Up the Road:Just One Night Blow Wind Blow: Another Ticket Ain't Going Down: Money & Cigarettes She's Waiting: Behind The Sun Holy Mother: August Evil: Crossroads Box set Bad Love: Journeyman Lonely Stranger: Unplugged Hard Times: 24 Nights Tore Down: From the Cradle Circus:Pilgrim Traveling Light: Reptile Badge:One More Car One More Rider They're Red Hot: Me and Mr. Johnson Sweet Home Chicago: RJ Sessions Scott From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 4 14:49:17 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Fri Mar 4 14:49:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: <030420051949.22766.4228BBBD0003CE05000058EE2205886360050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> >> Alas, there was a time when Clapton wasn't a follower as much as a creator. << > Was he not a follower from the start? Does he not admit to following the style of all the famous bluesmen? Is he not still doing that? When did he create something totally new? He interprets stuff in his own way and he flips from genre to genre, but as for being a "creator" it is hard to see that. < This one really blows my mind. How could someone participate on THIS forum, and not understand who Eric Clapton is? "Hard to see that?" What do you think Eric Clapton is all about? How do you think he became world famous? I won’t respond myself, but instead refer you to something our editor, Dave Hillman, posted a few months back, below. DeltaNick I've been thinking about how to convey this idea since we started talking about the decline or incline of Eric's career the other day. Then I stumbled across this review on amazon.com that expresses it much better than I could've. Their usage policy doesn't seem to prohibit limited reproduction, so here goes: Charles "Chuck" Voellinger says of the re-mastered Bluesbreakers album … "This is the album that started it all, October 20, 2001 - If you've never heard this album then this remaster is the best way to hear it. It's clean, has good separation and features two bonus tracks recorded by John and Eric. Now for the anorak, trainspotting details of WHY this album is important. Quite simply, as far as tone, technique and temperament, Eric Clapton at this time was revolutionary. In the guitar world there are two periods; BB (Before "Bluesbreakers") and AB (After "Bluesbreakers"). First, tone. NO ONE had this kind of overdriven, aggressive and harmonically rich sound before 1966. Literally, what we associate with rock/blues guitar sound for the last 35 years can be traced back to the tones Clapton was getting in '66. Second, technique. Imagine yourself as young person in England at this time and you've discovered the great American blues guitarists like B.B. and Freddie King but figure you will never see them unless you go to America. Then you hear about AN ENGLISHMAN your age who can play that way, plus add something of his own. Third, temperament. Eric Clapton was able at young age to both tap into a vastly different world (that of the African-American middle aged bluesman) and supply his own revolutionary ideas about how the electric guitar could be played. Revolutionary is right. People forget about that all the time but in 1966 Clapton changed everything. It is a tribute to his basic sanity after all these years and personal problems that he DIDN'T try and continually live up to that standard. He did other things. Most musicians never have the opportunity to revolutionize anything and very very few can do it more than once. Whenever anyone looks disparagingly on Eric Clapton's career, and he had some low points it's true, all I have to say is "Bluesbreakers.” ----- Chuck, if you happen to be out there, well said. David Hillman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050304/4c04f1ed/attachment.html From n.seidenberg at comcast.net Fri Mar 4 15:21:07 2005 From: n.seidenberg at comcast.net (Noah Seidenberg) Date: Fri Mar 4 15:21:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Coco Message-ID: <20050304202106.76E0C8CA4A@six.pairlist.net> I totally agree. I really hate Doyle's solo stuff and his opening act for EC a few years ago caused me to put in ear plugs. Coco was a student of Albert Collins, used to play drums. I saw him here in Chicago at Buddy Guy's Legends and really liked his stuff. Nice guy too. Noah "Coco Montoya. He's amazing, much better than DB, IMHO." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050304/be6fb156/attachment.html From garbarek at wp.pl Fri Mar 4 16:23:24 2005 From: garbarek at wp.pl (Garbarek) Date: Fri Mar 4 16:16:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC at the Cardiff Tsunami Benefit Offer DVD-R (PAL) + CD -closed?? Message-ID: <003001c52100$6b35ed20$3602090a@zetkom> Hi folks! I was offering this show to 5 Slowhanders. Only Bj?rn from Iceland is intersted in? (He promised to reoffer it) I`m waiting till Sunday before I`ll close my offer definately All the best Zbyszek From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 4 16:20:35 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Fri Mar 4 16:20:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: <030420052120.20906.4228D12300053786000051AA2207003201050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> Adding my 2 cents to this discussion, I think "Pilgrim" had some of EC's strongest original material in many years, but it was way over-produced, and the orchestra was unnecessary and redundant, to say nothing of the drum machine (which reminds me of the disco period). I could barely hear the orchestra at the concert I attended and on the bootlegs I've heard of the "Pilgrim" tour. One song I really like, however, is EC's interpretation of Bob Dylan's "Born In Time." I really prefer no orchestra at all, just a small band. I feel that the credits, for example, for the Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" should be the Beatles AND the London Philharmonic (or whoever the orchestra was). It's kinda cheating, in my mind, when a rock band is backed up on record by an orchestra in a Milli Vanilli way. Although on "Pilgrim" there was a credit for the 10-piece band, if I remember correctly, they were ancillary to the whole effort, and as I stated above, redundant and unnecessary. On the other hand, the Beatles really didn't record "Sgt. Pepper's" by themselves, but had loads of help (was there a credit listed for the orchestra musicians?). With their millions, and no requirement to have real jobs, I think many of us could have hired the London Philharmonic and come up with old-fashioned "psychedelic" English music hall (and kiddie songs) music as well. In this way, to me, it's a somewhat "dishonest" effort: invented in the studio with hired musicians and tape loops. I have often thought that the Beatles' lasting contribution to music was introducing the rock'n'roll generation to the self-contained band (based on the Chicago-style blues band): you don't have to depend on bow-tie daddies and matronly violinists to play YOUR music, you can do it YOURSELVES. So, when the Beatles and other bands added orchestras, why is it not bow-tie daddy music? What is so "brilliant" about an orchestra playing on your record? Orchestras have recorded long before rock music was ever invented. So, to my way of thinking, orchestras are a step backward. If I want to hear an orchestra or high school marching band, I'll look for Guy Lombardo, Mantovani, or Boston Pops records or attend my local high school football game. In Clapton's case, the music stood on its own, but the orchestra and drum machine detracted somewhat. However, to his credit, "Pilgrim" songs on tour sounded quite good and more like the record than I expected. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050304/9cef695f/attachment.html From kblanto at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 16:29:41 2005 From: kblanto at yahoo.com (kavin blanton) Date: Fri Mar 4 16:29:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Coco Montoya Message-ID: <20050304212941.33584.qmail@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> He came to a local club about 6 months or so ago and I had to interview someone in the music industry so I chose him and was able to get it cleared through all teh people I needed to and he was really , really nice and friendly during the interview. He told stories about being in the Bluesbreakers and other stories about other musicians he had played with over the years. As it turns out he is a big fan EC and was interested in getting some of the EC boots. Overall he seems to be a great guy and I do not see him as being "mean" towards anyone. ~Kavin __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From PtTuller at aol.com Fri Mar 4 16:45:38 2005 From: PtTuller at aol.com (PtTuller@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 4 16:45:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff Tsunami DVD Message-ID: <1e5.37176a8f.2f5a3102@aol.com> Hello everyone, I received the Cardiff Tsunami DVD recently and was wondering if anyone else who has a copy has noticed a problem with it. The person who sent it to me (whose e-mail address I have now lost, unfortunately) did not respond to this inquiry when I send it to him. My copy looks like it should have been widescreen, but with the picture stretched to make it full screen. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Was this supposed to be widescreen, and if so does anyone else have a widescreen version? I have intended on reoffering this, but didn't want to send out a flawed copy. Thanks, Patrick From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Fri Mar 4 18:58:38 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Fri Mar 4 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC fantasy cd References: <033301c520ee$7c191110$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <00c101c52116$165d0840$a69529d8@Kelly> Great idea. Now to pick one song. lol As of now: Blues Power - Eric Clapton Roll It Over - Rainbow Concert Please Be With Me - 461 Ocean Blvd. Singin' The Blues - There's One In Every Crowd Presence of the Lord - EC Was Here Black Summer Rain - No Reason To Cry Next Time You See Her - Slowhand Tulsa Time - Backless Double Trouble - Just One Night Catch Me If You Can - Another Ticket I've Got A Rock & Roll Heart - Money & Cigarettes Knock On Wood - Behind The Sun It's In The Way That You Use It - August Tales Of Brave Ulysses...(unless we are going for unreleased song until that time which would be)...Got To Get Better In A Little While - Crossroads [box set] (only one?!) No Alibis - Journeyman Bell Bottom Blues - 24 Nights Lonely Stranger - Unplugged I'm Tore Down - From The Cradle To Make Somebody Happy - Crossroads 2 Sick & Tired - Pilgrim Hold On, I'm Comin' - Riding With The King Broken Down - Reptile She's Gone - One More Car... Stop Breakin' Down Blues - M&MJ Terraplane Blues - Sessions Kelly ------------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi From boultonaj at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 19:02:55 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Fri Mar 4 19:02:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: I should have known better than to question something the great Delta Nick said. I am not worthy to be a member of this mailing list (even though I have been for 6 years). Your contemptuous dismissal of my question (and it was a question) makes me sad that I even bother reading any more. Have a nice day. Tony From: To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Sent: Friday, March 4, 2005 1:49 PM >>Alas, there was a time when Clapton wasn't a follower as much as a >>creator. << >Was he not a follower from the start? Does he not admit to following the >style of all the famous bluesmen? Is he not still doing that? When did he >create something totally new? He interprets stuff in his own way and he >flips from genre to genre, but as for being a "creator" it is hard to see >that. < This one really blows my mind. How could someone participate on THIS forum, and not understand who Eric Clapton is? "Hard to see that?" What do you think Eric Clapton is all about? How do you think he became world famous? I won’t respond myself, but instead refer you to something our editor, Dave Hillman, posted a few months back, below. DeltaNick From mrnybluesman at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 20:02:28 2005 From: mrnybluesman at yahoo.com (Richie) Date: Fri Mar 4 20:02:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] cardiff dvd Message-ID: <20050305010228.75791.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> I would like to trade my pal format of the Cardiff dvd...I cannot play it in my player..for an ntsc format version. Or if someone is willing to burn me an ntsc version I will send the blank dvd. Thanks, Richie __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 4 22:49:51 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Mar 4 22:49:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: <003f01c52136$643ce470$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Tony, My apologies. Your post -- ... as for being a "creator" it is hard to see that." -- looked as if you were saying that Clapton merely recycles stuff that others did before him, and did not appear to be a question. My point was that Eric Clapton completely -- singlehandedly -- revolutionized the electric guitar! The words weren't mine, but from an Amazon.com review submitted by Editor Dave Hillman. I didn't understand the "anorak" and "trainspotting" parts, though. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Besides the drum machine driving me crazy ( it just dominates the sound on several songs ) I think EC's vocals - are curiously - given the content - bland - I am totally fascinated by this news that Pilgrim started out as a cd to be made with Miller producing - that sure sounds like a winner - and wouldn't it be great if some of it appeared - Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sessions Ciao Memphis Mike --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050305/05a3698a/attachment-0001.html From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 03:48:46 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Sat Mar 5 03:48:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC in 66' Message-ID: <20050305084846.98389.qmail@web51506.mail.yahoo.com> Hendrix and Jeff Beck had a couple things to say in 1966 also. Memphis Mike --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050305/b68c33df/attachment.html From turbineltd at btconnect.com Sat Mar 5 04:53:03 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Sat Mar 5 04:49:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on BWF Message-ID: <000a01c52169$244595f0$0100a8c0@dellws410> Just as a reminder, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast_with_frost/4298297.stm Sir David Frost anchors the programme on Sunday, 06 March, 2005 on BBC One at 0930. On BBC Breakfast with Frost, Sir David is joined by the legendary rock guitarist, Eric Clapton, to talk about his remarkable career in music and his eventful personal life, including his struggle with addiction and coming to terms with the death of his young son. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's a pity they can't concentrate on his music, Queenie might realise what he does then. Thanks to Dave Langley for his correspondence on this issue. John PS: So I was right about Pilgrim, I can't even give it away! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050305/322b4e8a/attachment.html From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 07:48:27 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Sat Mar 5 07:48:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: <20050305124827.70624.qmail@web90103.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Tony, I hear what you are saying. Obviously EC was most heavily influenced by the blues and added his own interpretation to it. But he didn't create a new form of music. (And how many people ever have? Everyone borrows from what came before). Even in the guitar arena, EC has admitted to being influenced, I believe, by people like Scotty Moore, Elvis' original guitar player. Many of the 60s guitar players pay homage to Hank Marvin of the Shadows (a mainly instrumental band like the Ventures for you non-Brits and the back-up band to Cliff Richard, the UK Elvis). The Shadows records were the first I owned as a child and I still play them now on CD. There is a great CD called Twang that has versions of Shadows' songs and it features Ritchie Blackmore, Peter Frampton, Neil Young, Randy Bachman, Tommy Iommi, Steve Stephens, Bela Fleck, Mark Knopfler, Andy Summers. These players obviously borrowed from Hank and created their own styles. So without rambling on too long here, I think artists borrow and add (create?) their own thing. As much as I love EC, I think it is only fair to say that contemporaries like Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were as much a part of the creativity in guitar in the 60s. Page was THE session guitar player in the mid-sixties. Beck created great solos on songs like "Shapes of Things" and "Heartful of Soul", very similar to what EC did on "Fresh Cream". I don't think Beck gets the credit for taking rock guitar toward jazz as he did with "Blow by Blow" or Page with the incredible layering of guitar parts on the Led Zep albums. One final thought - what about EC's more recent creativity? Whether you like it or not (and I love the album), taking the Mayfield influence into Pilgrim, the interpretation of the RJ songs, the techno direction of TDF. For me personally, EC's creativity shows most in the way he learned to play with emotion rather than just aggression. I listen to EC's 90s stuff much more than I listen to Bluesbreakers. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Tony Boulton [mailto:boultonaj@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2005 00:03 To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim I should have known better than to question something the great Delta Nick said. I am not worthy to be a member of this mailing list (even though I have been for 6 years). Your contemptuous dismissal of my question (and it was a question) makes me sad that I even bother reading any more. Have a nice day. Tony From: To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Sent: Friday, March 4, 2005 1:49 PM >>Alas, there was a time when Clapton wasn't a follower as much as a >>creator. << >Was he not a follower from the start? Does he not admit to following the >style of all the famous bluesmen? Is he not still doing that? When did he >create something totally new? He interprets stuff in his own way and he >flips from genre to genre, but as for being a "creator" it is hard to see >that. < This one really blows my mind. How could someone participate on THIS forum, and not understand who Eric Clapton is? "Hard to see that?" What do you think Eric Clapton is all about? How do you think he became world famous? I won’t respond myself, but instead refer you to something our editor, Dave Hillman, posted a few months back, below. DeltaNick __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Sat Mar 5 07:55:34 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Sat Mar 5 07:55:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Slightly off-topic Orchestra etc. Message-ID: DeltaNick, I understand your point about orchestras, to a degree, BUT, just to the Beatles for a minute. And we'll cut the orchestra back to a string quartet with just vocals. Whether you like the song or not, Eleanor Rigby with lead electric guitar, rhythm guitar, bass and drums just wouldn't be anywhere close to the song we're used to. Sure, it's not The Beatles, just Paul and some session guys, but it's Paul's composition and his and George Martin's vision of a finished product. Where do you draw the line? Eric Clapton's first solo record, have a look at the back cover, a shitload of musos. Should it only be guitar, drums and bass? Bluebreakers had brass for a couple of tracks. Don't get me wrong, I know that an orchestra can smother some wonderful work but I don't feel it's fair to lump it all together. Orchestra Night at the RAH, how does that stand? What about a really really small orchestra (cello) on a couple of Cream songs? Okay, be gentle DN ........please Tone PS I love Pilgrim from start to finish (well nearly finish, forget the last two tracks) Simon Climie production, drum machine and orchestra. I think that from the first time I heard the album I was overwhelmed by the quality of the songs, the singing and emotion, and that just put everything else right in the background and it never was an issue for me. Perhaps when the Almighty does his Live Pilgrim and I play them back to back I'll follow the pack and understand. Mark, it's up to you to show me the error of my ways. Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 From bjorn at xnet.is Sat Mar 5 09:11:42 2005 From: bjorn at xnet.is (=?us-ascii?Q?Bjorn_Erlingsson?=) Date: Sat Mar 5 09:11:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD In-Reply-To: <20050305084338.9EB708D02E@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Thanks to Roberto Sasso I can offer 3 copies of the Paris DVD to the first 3 SDs to write me privately. Winners will be notified. Regards Bjorn From boultonaj at hotmail.com Sat Mar 5 13:09:15 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Sat Mar 5 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: Your apology is much appreciated, thank you. I can see what you mean. Nobody has more respect for the man than I. Funnily enough, referring to you later post, Born in Time is my favourite Pilgrim track too. It means a lot to my wife and I, as we met during the Pilgrim era in the late 90's and we were delighted to see Eric and Bob perform this track onstage at the MSG during the Crossroads concert. Best wishes Tony <> From darmel at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 5 14:08:49 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Sat Mar 5 14:08:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim Message-ID: <20050305190849.66355.qmail@web81703.mail.yahoo.com> I don't really disagree with (your comment, Nick, regarding) the orchestra being unnecessary, but I would add this. I was (literally) blown away at a Pilgrim tour performance (in Sacramento I think) at the onset of "She Gone." My ears were pinned back and my hair frizzed. The moment still brings shivers to me (the only other concert performance that I recall a moment so vividly was Soldier Field, 1977, ELP, Works Tour w/full orchestra - "Fanfare for the Common Man"). Later in the Pilgrim Tour, EC performed again in the Bay Area but this time in Oakland and w/o the orchestra. Overall, I liked the program better than w/the orchestra with the exception of "She's Gone;" it just did not have the same impact. Mel > >FROM DN: "...Adding my 2 cents to this discussion, I think "Pilgrim" had some of EC's >strongest original material in many years, but it was way over-produced, and the orchestra >was unnecessary and redundant, to say nothing of the drum machine..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050305/b49ee09a/attachment.html From jnacca0408 at rogers.com Sat Mar 5 15:44:19 2005 From: jnacca0408 at rogers.com (JOHN NACCARATO) Date: Sat Mar 5 15:44:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] favourite song per album Message-ID: <000801c521c4$1b382c60$b7ecc545@D10RM611> Eric Clapton---Bottle of Red Wine Layla & other Assorted Love Songs---Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out 461 Ocean Blvd.---Please be with me EC was here---Driftin' Blues There's One in Every Crowd---Better Make it Through Today No Reason To Cry---Black Summer Rain Backless---I'll Make Love To You Anytime Slowhand---Mean Ol' Frisco Just One Night---Double Trouble Another Ticket---Floating Bridge Money & Cigarettes---Ain't Going Down Behind The Sun---Just Like A Prisoner Crossroads Box---Snake Lake Blues---Sleeping in the ground Crossroads II---To Make Somebody Happy---Eyesight to the Blind/Why does Love got to be so Sad? August---Holy Mother Journeyman---Hard Times---Running On Faith 24 Nights---Edge of Darkness Unplugged---Old Love >From The Cradle---Third degree Retail Therapy---What Else Pilgrim---Born in Time---River of Tears Riding with the King---Come Rain or Come Shine Reptile---Broken Down---Losing Hand One More Car, One more Rider---Over the Rainbow Me & Mr Johnson---They're Red Hot Sessions for Robert J---Stones in My Passway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From turbineltd at btconnect.com Sat Mar 5 17:30:40 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Sat Mar 5 17:27:19 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Slowhand at 60 Message-ID: <001d01c521d2$fa539e80$0100a8c0@dellws410> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4321917.stm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Radio 2 will also present a tribute to guitar legend Eric Clapton called Slowhand at 60. DJ Johnnie Walker, who was born on the same day as Clapton on 30 March, will host a show dedicated to the musician on 26 March. The show will also feature an interview with Clapton in which he talks openly about his battle with drug and alcohol addiction and the highlights of his 40-year career. From deltanick at comcast.net Sun Mar 6 01:09:16 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sun Mar 6 01:09:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Creation, Orchestras & Tubas Message-ID: <005001c52213$085d9180$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> I don’t think there’s anyone who wasn’t influenced by those who went before, including Robert Johnson (again, read Elijah Wald’s “Escaping The Delta: Robert Johnson And The Invention Of The Blues”). However, my point about "creation" is that Clapton was the one, especially during his period with John Mayall (1965-1966), who completely revolutionized the electric guitar. Jimi Hendrix didn’t even enter the picture until Clapton was in Cream, arriving England 24 September 1966. Jimmy Page was a studio musician, and really didn’t become very popular until Led Zeppelin in 1968-1969. Yes, Page joined the Yardbirds in 1966, but Clapton had already made his mark. And let’s not forget that on those 7 Immediate Records instrumentals, Clapton played lead, but Page was his rhythm guitarist. And Jeff Beck was also on the cutting edge, but he followed Clapton into the Yardbirds, and the quote below will show you what he thought of Clapton at the time. I don’t know if you were following this stuff in the 1964-1967 period, but it is difficult to recreate the atmosphere and the impact that Clapton had, and he didn’t even visit the US until March 1967. Clapton’s impact was stupendous, and ALL guitarists then, including Hendrix, recognized that. Below are a few quotes which may convey something of the atmosphere and impact of Clapton's guitar playing back then: -- Jimmy Page: Clapton’s first recordings with the Les Paul/Marshall set-up were in June 1965 for the John Mayall single “I’m Your Witchdoctor”/”Telephone Blues,” produced by Jimmy Page. Page cites the recording as a pivotal moment. “Eric was the first one to evolve the sound with the Gibson and Marshall; he should have total credit for that. When we did “I’m Your Witchdoctor” he had all that sound down and the engineer, who was cooperating up to that point -- I was producing -- but was used to doing orchestras and big bands, suddenly turned off the machine and said, ‘This guitarist is unrecordable!’ I just told him to record it and I’d take full responsibility. The guy couldn’t believe that someone was getting that kind of sound from a guitar on purpose.” Less than a year later, another engineer would be giving birth over the sound of Eric Clapton. Meanwhile, Eric went on the road with John Mayall and the fledgling legend of Yardbird days swiftly bloomed. Clearly, Eric’s sound and ability were the keys to his growing status, but context and image too played their part in putting ‘Clapton is God’ on walls, bus stops and, most memorably, the viaduct of Paddington Station (Harry Shapiro, “The Wall Of Sound, “MOJO,” April 1998 (pp. 90-92). -- Jeff Beck: Don Paulsen: B.B. King is one of Mike Bloomfield’s idols, too. Jeff Beck: Mike Bloomfield is great. But there are people who can imitate him and he no longer holds the high chair. Eric Clapton, who was previously in this group, is probably the top guitarist now. (Editor’s note: Bloomfield just came back from England raving about Clapton.)” (Jeff Beck quoted in an October 1966 interview, Don Paulsen, “Yardbird ... Jeff Beck: Interview With Jeff Beck,” “Hit Parader,” April 1967, p. 48). -- Peter Green: Guitarist [referring to Clapton while with the Yardbirds]: Clapton didn’t impress you much at first then? Peter Green: Well, I wasn’t a lead guitarist then, I played bass. Anyway, he was the other side of the stage so I couldn’t hear it too well. It was all very good, though, very exciting. And I decided to go back on lead guitar after seeing Eric Clapton. I’d seen him with the Bluesbreakers before he considered singing and his whole concentration was on his guitar -- he had a Telecaster -- and it was really impressive. Then he had a Les Paul and his fingers were marvelous. It took everything away from me, like my birthday, Christmas; you forgot everything, just listen to this. All music that you’d ever heard was washed away by this group of guys that were letting Eric Clapton take the floor (Interview with Peter Green, Guitarist (UK), September 1999 (Issue 185), pp. 74-78.). -- Mike Bloomfield: Following a Paul Butterfield Blues Band tour of the UK in October-November 1966 -- after he’d known and played in NY with Jimi Hendrix -- Mike Bloomfield returned to the US simply raving about Eric Clapton. -- Jimi Hendrix: And finally, in September 1966, the Animals’ bassist Chas Chandler wanted to take Jimi Hendrix to England, to begin what he believed would be a great recording career. He couldn’t convince Hendrix to go, until he guaranteed Hendrix that he’d introduce him to Eric Clapton. Word was that Hendrix had a copy of the British version of the “Blues Breakers” album (released 22 July 1966 in the UK, but Early 1967 in the U.S.) and other Clapton-Mayall recordings. But Hendrix knew exactly who Clapton was, who had already made his greatest impact. So, there you have it, from Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Peter Green, Mike Bloomfield, and Jimi Hendrix. DeltaNick P.S. Orchestras: My point about orchestras is that the people who really create the music -- orchestras -- are very often not credited at all. The Beatles didn’t record “Sgt. Pepper’s.” It was recorded by The Beatles, George Martin, and a whole bevy of orchestral musicians playing violins, cellos, tubas, and a whole bunch of instruments which the Beatles couldn’t play, much less identify. The Beatles didn’t record “Eleanor Rigby”; it was recorded by Paul MCartney and a string quartet (no Lennon, Harrison, nor Starr). So, instead of “creating” a Milli Vanilli situation, why aren’t the REAL musicians credited? Why? Because then it's not really a Beatles record! Or better yet, how about the band playing their own instruments, instead of over-producing the songs with … drum machines and other unnecessary tubas, trumpets, and other such fluff? And finally, the best reason for not including horn players in your band: When the horn players aren't playing, you've gotta develop dance steps for them, so they won't just be standing there on stage. Otherwise, there's nothing for them to do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050306/fbb90e8c/attachment-0001.html From p_e_monk at xtra.co.nz Sun Mar 6 01:30:12 2005 From: p_e_monk at xtra.co.nz (Peter Monk) Date: Sun Mar 6 01:30:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD Message-ID: <007601c52215$f42489a0$e22056d2@userh5tmphyte9> With many thanks to Bruce, I would like to offer 5 copies of the Geetarz Paris 2004 DVD. This is the PAL version and it will be burned on DVD-R. Please contact me offlist with full postal address and promise to re-offer a similar number of copies. I will take 2 people without burners. PS: can someone please send me the link to the DVD artwork ? Regards Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050306/615c82cb/attachment.html From ollio at mbnet.fi Sun Mar 6 03:55:58 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Sun Mar 6 03:52:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Orchestras and bands Message-ID: <000e01c5222a$50882e40$23e9c551@ollionkone> Hi all, I think there's nothing wrong using orchestras, brass sections, backing singers, synthesizers or drum machines. The musical experience, the result, is what counts for me, not who makes the music and how it was made. I don't see music as a contest and I don't care who is or was best at something. I listen to classical music, too and there's nothing wrong in using orchestras or string sections in rock music. I just want to hear music, that moves and fascinates me. Mr. Clapton is one of the artists I like. I listen a lot to Neil Young and Bob Dylan, too. I don't know care who is the best guitarist or singer of these three. They could be playing accordion, but that's alright, if the music is passionate and interesting.. I think Sgt. Pepper is a Beatles album and together with Rubber Soul and Revolver one of my favorites from the 60's. Cheers Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050306/7c12b137/attachment.html From ajcoleman at europe.com Sun Mar 6 06:31:31 2005 From: ajcoleman at europe.com (Aebhric Coleman) Date: Sun Mar 6 06:31:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] David Frost interview with Clapton Message-ID: <499F2DCC-8E33-11D9-ABF9-000A95D040A0@europe.com> Folks, The David Frost BBC interview with EC earlier this morning is already online. Just click on the link and select the video. You need to play it from minute 29 to minute 39. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast_with_frost/4298297.stm Don't get too excited though. It's the usual drab David Frost interview. Personally, can't really see why EC bothers to get out of bed early on a Sunday morning to do such a thing. EC doesn't even talk about the Cream reunion, although it is mentioned by Frost at the beginning. By the way, anyone with news about when the new album will be out? After the Cream gigs presumably. Aebhric From turbineltd at btconnect.com Sun Mar 6 06:35:42 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Sun Mar 6 06:32:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC on BWF Message-ID: <001901c52240$a3017440$0100a8c0@dellws410> I've bit torrented the interview with Frost, as an MPEG video file, on Easytree: http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=31201 Enjoy BTW, There is someone in the known world that wants Pilgrim and she hails from the state where anything goes ;~) From chrisd at hickorytech.net Sun Mar 6 08:29:18 2005 From: chrisd at hickorytech.net (Chris Daniels) Date: Sun Mar 6 08:29:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff DVD-Cd offer & Paris 04 Request Message-ID: <422B05AE.2020304@hickorytech.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050306/eba644e1/attachment.html From lenmoskowitz at optonline.net Sun Mar 6 08:56:54 2005 From: lenmoskowitz at optonline.net (Len Moskowitz) Date: Sun Mar 6 08:51:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] "Concert For George" -- Thanks! References: <20050306060925.5B9DF8C82C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <002b01c52254$5ad171c0$0400a8c0@win98> This past weekend I finally viewed "Concert For George." Profound thanks go to Eric for putting together this deeply moving and beautifully performed tribute to George Harrison. And thanks for preserving it so that those of us who couldn't be there could still participate, albeit distant in space and time. How fortunate we are: what a wonderful time in which to be living, and what a wonderful group of people to share this life with! Len Moskowitz Teaneck NJ (USA) From deltanick at comcast.net Sun Mar 6 11:56:07 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sun Mar 6 11:56:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woops! Message-ID: <006d01c5226d$65d73730$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> "Eleanor Rigby" was not recorded by Paul McCartney and a sting quartet! It was recorded by Paul McCartney and a string octet (4 violins, 2 violas, and 2 cellos)! Interesting songfats at http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=102. Here are a few of them: - A string section of 4 violins, 2 violas and 2 cellos were used in recording. - The Beatles didn't play any of the instruments on this. All the music came from the string players, who were hired as session musicians. - Because of the string section, this was difficult to play live, which The Beatles never did. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050306/bd05eeb4/attachment.html From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Sun Mar 6 12:18:32 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Sun Mar 6 12:18:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Whoops! In-Reply-To: <20050306171502.46C1D8C196@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: DeltaNick wrote of Eleanor Rigby: > Because of the string section, this was difficult to play live, which The > Beatles never did. But McCartney's solo performance of it on acoustic guitar was a highlight of the Beatles Anthology set. Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From joeyjay at att.net Sun Mar 6 13:25:19 2005 From: joeyjay at att.net (joeyjay@att.net) Date: Sun Mar 6 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream..... Message-ID: <030620051825.18599.422B4B0E00085B93000048A72160281060970E06970A0106@att.net> Slowhanders, Is this Cream reunion absolutely limited to these RAH shows? Is there any potential at all for a US appearance? Any possibility of them going into the studio? Perhaps it would be best for it to be short, sweet and fresh Cream. (pun intended) The DVD of these shows should be a treasure. I will be very content to have the shows captured for repeated personal viewing. Maybe it'll make up a little for the disastrous filming of Cream's final RAH appearance. I get the feeling that a lot of you would not want to see them go into the studio. I think I would, but would hope for it to be very bluesy if they did. Anyway, it ain't gonna happen...... Cheers, Jay From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Mon Mar 7 12:45:18 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Mon Mar 7 12:45:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Fantasy CD Message-ID: Easy Now--Eric Clapton Please Be With Me--461 The Sky Is Crying--There's One In Every Crowd Can't Find My Way Home--EC Was Here Carnival--No Reason to Cry The Core--Slowhand Early In The Morning--Backless Double Trouble--Just One Night Floating Bridge--Another Ticket Everybody's Got to Make A Change--Money & Cigarettes She's Waiting--Behind the Sun Grand Illusion--August One More Chance--Crossroads Hard Times--Journeyman HYELAW--24 Nights Walkin' Blues--Unplugged Five Long Years--From The Cradle Pilgrim--Pilgrim Come Back Baby--Reptile River of Tears--One More Car, OMR Little Queen of Spades--Me & Mr. Johnson Terraplane Blues--Sessions for Robert J. Best, K. From blues4jr at aol.com Mon Mar 7 13:14:13 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 7 13:14:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream/EC sightings??? Message-ID: <67738716.5114257F.00955D93@aol.com> Any EC/Cream sightings? Have they gotten together yet? New material was promised...do you think they'll wait till late April to get their act together? Would love to have a recording/video of that rehearsal session!!! John From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 7 14:01:55 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Mon Mar 7 14:01:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Bluesbreaking - cd's out Message-ID: To those of you who had emailed me privately about the bluesbreaking cd (from the tree I administered, but had some obligations left to uphold), the cds went out to you this morning. -AAP From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 7 14:45:22 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Mon Mar 7 14:45:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] more on the beatles.. musicianship, overrated.. Message-ID: Are there any more overrated musicians than the Beatles? As musicians and innovators, strictly? I dont know, maybe Jimi Hendrix I would presume. Just to follow up on DeltaNick's posts about Eleanor Rigby and Sgt. Peppers, It's widely known that the critical favorite, the White Album, was recorded with the band members doing sessions on their own, as it was at this time the band was crumbling. Yet when Critics talk about they often talk about how diverse the record sounds and how eclectic is.. Well it should, it was basically four solo albums in a 2 cd set! I guess my ultimate take on this, is that musicianship is very easy to misjudge, while the Beatles were geniuses in terms of pop songwriting, marketing, and hype, I wouldn't want any one of them to play an instrument in my dream band. Same thing of Hendrix.. Not just because I'm a Clapton fan, but so many people seem to think he was the best "guitarist" ever, it's just not the case from an objective angle. He had moments of brilliance in the studio, but I find it harder and harder to listen to his live stuff, cause it just drones and gets too messy for my tastes. Clapton may get written off as too steady or exact, but if I'm paying a lot of money to hear someone live, I want to hear him/her get the notes right and inspire me with a clean performance... AAP From kblanto at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 15:49:45 2005 From: kblanto at yahoo.com (kavin blanton) Date: Mon Mar 7 15:49:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Tickets Message-ID: <20050307204945.33540.qmail@web50002.mail.yahoo.com> For those of you who are looking for tickets. I ran across a site that says they can get tickets and it is www.getmetickets.net/ Just wanted to share that with everyone. ~Kavin __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Mon Mar 7 16:00:53 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Mon Mar 7 16:01:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Woops! Message-ID: "Eleanor Rigby" WAS recorded by Paul and a string quartet. Unfortunately the sound wasn't 'fat' enough for George Martin. He insisted on overdubbing ANOTHER string quartet, thus making it SOUND like a string octet. The original version was a delicate, pure and honest recording, but when the 'little orchestra' was added to the other 'little orchestra' it was far too busy for me. Of course Paul and George will deny all this and take the truth their graves, BUT, I know better. Tone "Eleanor Rigby" was not recorded by Paul McCartney and a sting quartet! It was recorded by Paul McCartney and a string octet (4 violins, 2 violas, and 2 cellos)! Interesting songfats at http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=102. Here are a few of them: - A string section of 4 violins, 2 violas and 2 cellos were used in recording. - The Beatles didn't play any of the instruments on this. All the music came from the string players, who were hired as session musicians. - Because of the string section, this was difficult to play live, which The Beatles never did. DeltaNick -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 From gwornex at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 17:29:32 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Mon Mar 7 17:29:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] CREAM songs never done live Message-ID: <20050307222932.24877.qmail@web50110.mail.yahoo.com> Cream songs you'd love to hear live that they never performed live in their first incarnation: My short list: Dance the Night Away (great jam possibilities on this) Pressed Rat (another short jam possib on the ending coda) Passing the time (guest organ by Winwood on a longer jam) World of Pain Hey now Princess g.w. From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 7 17:37:09 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Mon Mar 7 17:37:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Frost interview Message-ID: Thanks to the Sd'er who sent the link to the Frost Interview Video. Not bad. I like the name of the new girl, Sophie, and Eric's plug for John Mayer and Doyle. No idea that Eric felt Layla from the Jubilee show was the best performance of that song.. interesting thoughts from Eric about how he feels he's not as good a guitarist as before and that he'd give it up when he felt he was becoming clumsy. Funny how he didn't mention Robert J. as his most important influence, instead said BB King and Buddy Guy. I don't find any interview of Eric to be drab or boring, he is one of the few artists who manages to say something different in each interview, somethign that gives you a further understanding of him as a person. Just a quick update, as many of you might know or might not care, i've been working on a screenplay of a movie about Eric's life, beginning from his days right after the Dominoes broke up, to the FTC/Unplugged come back time with flashbacks of Cream, Mayall, youth, etc, and great focus given to his infatuation with Pattie Boyd Harrison.. However, after watching the excellent biopic of Ray Charles "RAY", I was awestruck, but saw simliarties between the men.. However, no luck with Eric's management/PR people about getting his involvement yet, need to have something finished I feel before anything official.. Anyways,, just thought i'd share that.. From joe_rigg at hotmail.com Mon Mar 7 17:54:12 2005 From: joe_rigg at hotmail.com (Joe Rigg) Date: Mon Mar 7 17:54:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Dance the Night Away Message-ID: Just a quick note to say that this song was performed on at least one occasion, at the Marquee Club, London, May 23, 1967. I have a version of this, as it is on the excellent bootleg, Blues Ancient and Modern. Great stuff too! From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 18:13:19 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Mon Mar 7 18:13:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Beatles, Hendrix.. Message-ID: <20050307231319.72342.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Apurva wrote: "Are there any more overrated musicians than the Beatles? As musicians and innovators, strictly? I dont know, maybe Jimi Hendrix I would presume." Apurva, I don't believe in my 44 years of listening to the Beatles ANYONE ever hailing them as great MUSICIANS. They brought a chemistry together, including John giving a hard edge to Paul's songs, that happened at a moment in time that was ready for music to change. They were incrdible songwriters and, with George Martin, did revolutionary things in the studio. And as Olli has written here, I don't give a damn if it was Paul alone or John alone or John with a string quartet or a string octet. They produced incredible music which I and probably millions of people still love and which has influenced countless musicians. Why focus on a negative, especially one which has never been proposed as a major part of their greatness? (As an aside, I think one can make a case for Paul as a fine bass player and George is often recognized for his slide playing). As for Hendrix, while you might think he is overrated, there is a lurking member of this list who in person witnessed EC's reaction to seeing Hendrix play for the first time and to say that EC was blown away is putting it mildly. It didn't seem like EC thought Hendrix was overrated. Sorry, but I get tired of the negative stuff on this list. Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From simon.george5 at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 7 18:42:54 2005 From: simon.george5 at ntlworld.com (Simon George) Date: Mon Mar 7 18:49:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Old News to some, Maybe? References: Message-ID: <000201c52370$359e4000$bb7ba8c0@main> Dont know if everyone knows this, but I only just discovered it. In Yahoo, there is now the possibility to search for videos. Tap 'Clapton' in there and you get some interesting results. Particularly one which appears to be from Radio Aurora, and is a 15 minute exerpt from the Reptile tour rehersals. As I said, probably telling you something most people already know, but I didnt so maybe one or two others will appreciate it too. Simon From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 18:51:41 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Mon Mar 7 18:51:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: to joeyjay Message-ID: <20050307235141.59097.qmail@web51502.mail.yahoo.com> I think they know they are opening the floodgates with these shows especially if it goes well.There will be alot of pressure from the fans,media,record companies,and show promoters for more.I don't think a small tour is out of the question.It would all depend on how much they enjoy it and if it meshes well. As far as a new album with new material,if Jack Bruce had his way I thik it would happen.They could even bring back their one man orchestra,Felix Papalardi (is he still alive?).They could call their final album " Curds and Whey " Criswell predicts:More Cream --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050307/bc796f57/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 19:21:02 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Mon Mar 7 19:21:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cardiff Tsunami Relief show - CD-R Message-ID: <2fcd9d410503071621798762b@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Thanks to Jon Hognason, I'll be glad to mail a CD-R copy of the EC's set at the Cardiff Tsunami Relief show to the first Slowhander contacting me off list and willing to reoffer. Please include your mailing address and check back for the winner here. Cheers Gaetano From peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com Mon Mar 7 19:40:02 2005 From: peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com (An English Boy) Date: Mon Mar 7 19:40:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] BeaTle Bashers and Beano Babies ...... In-Reply-To: <20050307234904.47AB18C620@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: From: Apurva Parikh Subject: [Slowhand] more on the beatles.. musicianship, overrated.. Are there any more overrated musicians than the Beatles? As musicians and innovators, strictly? I dont know, maybe Jimi Hendrix I would presume. Just to follow up on DeltaNick's posts about Eleanor Rigby and Sgt. Peppers, It's widely known that the critical favorite, the White Album, was recorded with the band members doing sessions on their own, as it was at this time the band was crumbling. Yet when Critics talk about they often talk about how diverse the record sounds and how eclectic is.. Well it should, it was basically four solo albums in a 2 cd set!  I guess my ultimate take on this, is that musicianship is very easy to misjudge, while the Beatles were geniuses in terms of pop songwriting, marketing, and hype, I wouldn't want any one of them to play an instrument in my dream band. ====== An English Boy's response: And while I respect your right to your opinion, and to state it publically, I strongly disagree with your assessment of the talents of each individual BeaTle, and his abilities on his respective instrument(s). (the real meaning of this paragraph is to say that your opinion is full of excrement) I too, am not so enamoured by the talents of many popular artists, but can give them credit for their songwriting if indeed their musicianship is lacking, and so on. (the real meaning of this paragraph is to say I could rip the ass out of some of your faves if you gave me the opportunity) I tried to listen to Steve Vai and Joe "Egomaniac" Satriani last week after spinning a couple Jeff Beck masterpieces, and, well, they were intolerable. However, anyone who has heard "Revolver" or "Abbey Road" must be deaf if they think *ANY* musician could have performed better than The BeaTles did conglomeratively or as individuals. George Harrison became a master slide guitarist, producer, and ALL THINGS MUST PASS is a masterpiece (Clapton's assistance taken into consideration). Dream Band? Most Dream Bands, such as many of the finale All Star Jams that come 'round every so often, are nothing but a cluster-fuck of noise! ==== Same thing of Hendrix.. Not just because I'm a Clapton fan, but so many people seem to think he was the best "guitarist" ever, it's just not the case from an objective angle.  He had moments of brilliance in the studio, but I find it harder and harder to listen to his live stuff, cause it just drones and gets too messy for my tastes. === An English Boy replies: And Hendrix was, truly, very inconsistent live, and I saw him enough to know, but he was a master of textures and vision as a guitarist, having never reached his prime nor maturity... === Clapton may get written off as too steady or exact, but if I'm paying a lot of money to hear someone live, I want to hear him/her get the notes right and inspire me with a clean performance... === An English Boy Replies: Well, the last time Clapton gave an inspired performance was the NBTB tour/Cradle era, and, with that exception, has done little of worth since Jimi choked on vomit 35 years ago, which, is, if you think about it, really depressing about EC. A recent stroll down memory lane, saturating myself with "beano" and "primal seed" combined with all the Cream hype awash every horizon causes me say that, in all fairness, the present day EC surely would not be in my Dream Band, or any band of mine for that matter. ...and, if anyone is added to the lineup of Baker Bruce and Clapton for these Cream Concerts in May, I'll be righteously pissed. Personally, I have ALWAYS though EC had the ol' BEANO and WOMAN TONE still in him, he's just been surrounding himself with the most uninspired, lame, yuppie (play it by the book) slackers in his bands for the past 35 years. "....I want to thank you on behalf of the group and ourselves, and I hope we passed the audition." ~Lenny 1969 "Everyone has choice, when to, and not to raise their voices, its you that decides." ~George Harrison Lew Campbell~ From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 19:46:33 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Mon Mar 7 19:46:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Richard Batty's reply to Apurva Message-ID: <20050308004633.80178.qmail@web51510.mail.yahoo.com> I second that motion.The Beatles overrated? Let me count the ways.Oh I can't think of any.As far as playing and writing seperately on albums.Alot of groups do that.Their solo careers although good,never really matched that of when they were together. MOTION GRANTED !! --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050307/4468c960/attachment.html From scottw at racerxill.com Mon Mar 7 20:51:40 2005 From: scottw at racerxill.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Mon Mar 7 20:51:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beatles Musicianship...my two cents Message-ID: <026501c52381$66b3cd20$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> IMHO, The ability to make music is what makes a "musician" and the Beatles were masters in their craft. They really whole package from creating it to presenting it and singing it. Their playing was all about supporting "the song" Guitar playing....Listen to the expert finger picking on Blackbird as an example or George's slide playing which was totally unique. Having checked out various transcription books the chord voicings they used were not simple. I also think when listening to Paul's Bass lines and his tone on songs like Rain are extremely progressive. No doubt George Martin is a true genius and helped their final product immensely but you could also say the same thing for Tom Dowd and his work with Cream and D&D. I personally am not a "Beatle Freak" as I am for EC or the Allman Bros. but when the mood strikes and I put on one of my Beatles cd's I am blown away by their musicianship. Scott From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Mon Mar 7 21:00:24 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Mon Mar 7 21:00:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Beatles In-Reply-To: <20050307234904.1D8D18C580@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Richard Batty wrote: > I don't believe in my 44 years of listening to the Beatles ANYONE ever hailing > them as great MUSICIANS. Sure they have. McCartney has long been hailed as one of the great and influential rock bass players ever and Lennon and McCartney are way up at the top of greatest rock singers ever. I know what you're saying, and I understand that you're a fan, but I think you're missing the point a bit. All four Beatles were *outstanding* musicians--they just weren't necessarily outstanding *technicians.* To be a great musician you must have command of your instrument, obviously, but then you must also know what to do with it. Harrison clearly wasn't a monster player like Clapton, but one of the things that makes EC the guitarist, the musician he is, is that he doesn't just indulge in fretboard wankery like, say, Steve Vai or Yngwie Malmsteen--he uses his technique to its best and most musical advantage. Harrison may not have played many (any?) technically difficult lines...but he played the right ones. The musical ones. Miles Davis is far from the greatest trumpet player ever, in terms of sheer technique (although he's much better than sometimes credited), but he's one of the two or three most influential ever, as much because he knew what not to play. That's why his stuff'll be listened to in fifty years, assuming there's still a society, and Wynton Marsalis, a far superior technician, will be nothing but a footnote. Ringo's the most underrated drummer ever. Could he play crystal clear sixty-fourth notes like Ginger? Nope. But Ginger couldn't swing like Ringo on, say, "Long Tall Sally" and wasn't willing to subvert his technique in order to serve the music like Ringo. I wish I had Ginger's technique and he was clearly THE drummer for Cream, just as Ringo was THE drummer for The Beatles; they were perfectly matched for their respective bands and switching them would have been a musical disaster all around. If I had to pick a drummer, though, it'd be Ringo every day of the week. (Note: all comments apply to those drummers as they were back in the 60s--I've heard very little Ginger post-Blind Faith so perhaps he learned taste somewhere along the way and got a more palatable drum song, and once he stopped playing regularly Ringo's chops, such as they were, went way, way down hill.) Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Mar 7 21:32:22 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Mon Mar 7 21:32:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beatles & Hendrix Message-ID: <003d01c52387$10408c70$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> As far as musicianship of the Beatles goes, I think Paul -- although I don't like the bulk of his kiddie songs -- is one of the better bass players around. Following the demise of the Beatles, George Harrison showed himself to be both a talented songwriter AND guitarist (unfortunately, Lennon/McCartney were so overpowering, they never really noticed). He had a unique approach to slide guitar, and he played it well. Lennon never aspired to be more than a rhythm guitarist, but Lennon was the MAIN Beatle, whether you liked him or his "evolving" gender or not. And he penned some of the most memorable songs of all time. Ringo always looked like he was there to have a good time, and I think he did. Just a plain, simple, and on-time drummer. Now to Hendrix: I saw him in 1968, and he was great. Hendrix was the total performer, with an accent on "perform." He was a great guitarist, but he could write, sing, and, well, he definitely had stage presence. I prefer Clapton on guitar (and so did Freddie King), but Jimi was no slouch. I believe his earliest stuff was his best, because I think his later music sounds as if here were stoned nearly 100% of the time. But Jimi was certainly a talented performer. However, in death, he has become largely a legend and a myth. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050307/91846ca6/attachment.html From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 02:09:24 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Tue Mar 8 02:09:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Reply to Scott Peterson....Beatles Message-ID: <20050308070924.6944.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott wrote: "Sure they have. McCartney has long been hailed as one of the great and influential rock bass players ever and Lennon and McCartney are way up at the top of greatest rock singers ever. I know what you're saying, and I understand that you're a fan, but I think you're missing the point a bit. All four Beatles were *outstanding* musicians--they just weren't necessarily outstanding *technicians.* " Scott, I don't believe i am missing the point. I was addressing Apurva's comment that the Beatles were overrated as musicians. A large part of your post, with which I agree and I think Scott Wallenberg was suggesting, is saying that they were UNDERRATED as musicians - as ScottW and I both mentioned, Paul's bass playing and George's slide playing in particular. I agree wholeheartedly with you in that a certain combination of players helps create the magic - John Lennon said, "Ringo is my drummer". I think it was certainly true of Cream. Nathan East has said there was something magic about the 4-piece of EC, East, Phillinganes and Ferrone. As an aside, I personally love that combination and a definite part of it for me is Steve Ferrone's drumming. Personally I like his playing a lot more than Steve Gadd's. Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Garret74 at aol.com Tue Mar 8 03:49:10 2005 From: Garret74 at aol.com (Garret74@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 8 03:49:17 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Is he still alive? Message-ID: <78.6e4f1d9e.2f5ec106@aol.com> ****hey could even bring back their one man orchestra,Felix Papalardi (is he still alive?). Criswell predicts:More Cream**** Felix was murdered in NYC about 15 years ago...I think it had something to do with a woman... Who is this Criswell...I would like to bet him a lot of money....I bet more coffee... ****I know what you're saying, and I understand that you're a fan, but I think you're missing the point a bit. All four Beatles were *outstanding* musicians--they just weren't necessarily outstanding *technicians.*** Yes they were. To divorce the performance from the recording, the writing, the whole of the music is absurd...The Beatles were the greatest pop band ever...and they were all incredible musicians who complemented each other perfectly... Most of you just don't get this...Music is listening to one another...music is conversation....It's making love in a spiritual way... ITS NOT COMPETITION!!!!!!!! It's not a soccer or football game... ****If I had to pick a drummer, though, it'd be Ringo every day of the week.**** Well, it depends on what you wanna do...Ringo's style is certainly easier to dance to. (****Hendrix was the total performer, with an accent on "perform." He was a great guitarist, but he could write, sing, and, well, he definitely had stage presence***** Hendrix was a great guitar player. period. In Clapton's class certainly. But Jimi Hendrix is so underrated as a composer and writer- his work still stands the test of time....it's still as fresh as a just picked rose, and it's innovation and exploration is truly inspirational...I've always said, Jimi was overrated as a guitar player and underrated as a composer. I think Axis Bold as Love is as great an album as I've ever heard...and it stands up and still sounds fresh...as does Electric Ladyland... ****As an aside, I personally love that combination and a definite part of it for me is Steve Ferrone's drumming. Personally I like his playing a lot more than Steve Gadd's.**** Steve Gadd is the most amazing drummer I've ever heard. Ferrone isn't even close. You want to know the difference between the Me and Mr Johnson album and the CD version? Steve Gadd played on the second, and Jim Keltner, an outstanding session man, played on the first...Steve Gadd is so much better than Steve Ferrone, who is very good, that's its not even funny...Gadd, just hitting the tenor, sends shivers up my spine...and I don't think drummers are musicians....But Gadd is... Finally...Paul McCartney, for all the bullshit he's put out, is one of the greatest bass players who've ever lived. He's right up there with Jamerson, Dunn, and East... I talked to Nathen East at there Where's Eric party last year, and asked him who he thought was the greatest rock (I think I said rock...I might have said just) bassest was of all time... Nathan said..."Pauls the man!!" Listen to his bass lines..they're melodic yet rhymed ..they drive the song... Don't knock the Beatles musicianship...You only knock you're own musical intelligence when you do so.... ... Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The woman that murdered Felix, wrote >> the lyrics to Strange Brew and World Of Pain. Gail Collins was Felix's >> wife. << To paraphrase Jimi Hendrix, "She gave him the gun; she shot him!" on 17 April 1983." This link explains: http://www.pappalardi.com/Shot.html DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050308/8ebd4e35/attachment.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 07:13:14 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Tue Mar 8 07:13:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Pilgrim a Cappela version Message-ID: <20050308121314.50991.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> >> counterparts, I would also be interested to see >> other people's choices. Is there any chance Geetarz >> could post the a capella >> version of Pilgrim everyone is raving about, >> it sounds good! Who is not to say it isn't already posted? DVDs aren't the only things with Easter Eggs ... websites can have them too! Good things come to those who dive deeper ... Cheers, AG P.S. Good luck Sambo#8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From smevans at tds.net Tue Mar 8 07:35:22 2005 From: smevans at tds.net (SME) Date: Tue Mar 8 07:36:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] final album? In-Reply-To: <20050308070928.C11B28C838@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050308070928.C11B28C838@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <422D9C0A.7020501@tds.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050308/d7352e84/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 09:54:00 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Tue Mar 8 09:54:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer CLOSED: Cardiff Tsunami Relief show CD-R Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050308065435c7dd92@mail.gmail.com> Look for Lynn Steinhauer to reoffer soon. Cheers Gaetano From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Tue Mar 8 10:37:34 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Tue Mar 8 10:37:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The Beatles In-Reply-To: <20050307234905.3080A8C630@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050308102052.033c20c8@mail.clemson.edu> > ****Of course Paul and George will deny all this and take the >truth their graves, BUT, I know better. > >Tone***** How do you know better? Did you read this in a book, or were you in the studio? (that sounds snottier than I mean it....If it is a book, what's the name? I'd like to get it. If it's postulating, then never mind.) And, umm, I think George already has taken it to the grave... _________________________________________________________________________________ Well said, Garret. ******Don't knock the Beatles musicianship...You only knock you're own musical intelligence when you do so....************ Garret From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 8 10:55:32 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Tue Mar 8 10:55:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beatles.. I want to tell you Message-ID: Boy, Ive been getting beat up over my comments. I didn't mean to summarily dismiss every Beatles song as being overrated, I simply chose to say that even if they didn't use 9-piece orchestras or what not, that doesn't diminish nor does it in any suggest the Beatles were top notch indvidual technicians of their instruments. Paul had his moments, as did Ringo, etc etc.. I hope that explains it a little better, they made great albums, and knew how to use the studio get across their feelings at any given time. Another underrated member who doesn't get credit is George Martin, who was every bit a beatle as any of them, I would dare say. He's written an entire book, I believe, about the Pepper's album sessions and production. I guess it's best to put these things in perspective, even though the entire Pepper album may not have been the beatles themselves recording, does it in the grand scheme of things matter? Does it diminish the quality of the music? Who's to say. As for Hendrix, yea i guess he wasn't given the full time to mature into the artist he could have been, and Clapton was surely flabbergasted when he witnessed Hendrix play in 1967, but I do remember him making a comment to suggest that in one song you could see everythign Jimi was, musically speaking, he pulled out all the stops and just left it out there. Didn't mean to enrage the beatles fans out there.. I love Revolver and Rubber Soul, dont care much for Pepper or the White album, but on the whole who can argue with the songs.. From ollio at mbnet.fi Tue Mar 8 12:23:12 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Tue Mar 8 12:20:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] remarks and personal opinions Message-ID: <000a01c52403$842ed250$dde8c551@ollionkone> Hi all, A few remarks and personal opinions: - World of Pain and Outside Woman Blues were also performed live by the Cream at the Marquee Club, London, May 23, 1967. - The Beatles are among the most significant musicians of all time IMHO. It's not how many notes you play or how agrressive you are, it's the beauty and passion in the music, that makes musicians great. - Jimi Hendrix was a great musician, he created fabulous music despite the stupid stage antics. - The best era of EC for me started, when he got sober and it's he's still going strong. Beautiful music so passionatly performed on his last tour. - And as for drummers, there's only ONE and that's Steve Gadd. As Garret said: He's amazing! He drives the band, the other drummers nowadays just keep time. 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But they told him what they wanted, and weren't happy until he would get the sound they wanted. Sergeant Peppers was an amazing album at the time; you would have to have been alive to have realized how revolutionary that album was...No one had ever heard anything like that before...Likewise with Strawberry Fields as a single. (I think Axis is in that category, too...and will, grudgingly, give kudos' for Pet Sounds- although I've never been really wild about the Beach Boys, but I do realize their importance in the history of music). I don't think that Sgt. Peppers has stood up well to time, though. I agree with you that Rubber Soul is a better album. Their best may have been Abbey Road (I had my picture taken there too!! :))) Or Revolver...And I really like the White album. Do you diminish Mozart because he didn't play every instrument (well, he might have, come to think of it) in the orchestra..the point is he heard the music in his head, and made it come alive for all of us...the Beatles did the same. Not only that, but the Beatles changed what rock and roll was and showed us all what it could become. They are, in my opinion, the most important musical act of my lifetime. I don't mean to knock you or your knowledge personally, and I'm sorry if I came back hard on you, but you have to know that, like the Beatles or not, they were GREAT musicians. Now, we can talk about their solo careers, if you want... Another topic I'd be interested in discussion is albums that just knocked you off your feet the first time you heard them... For me, it was Layla...It's still the album I go to when I've just had another relationship go bad... (alas...there are too many of those...) Although Sgt Peppers was too...for a different reason..I didn't know music could sound like that...How do you get those sounds? And then, Abbey Road because it was so stark and different, and in retrospect...So final. Cheers... Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050308/2258749e/attachment.html From joe_rigg at hotmail.com Tue Mar 8 15:48:25 2005 From: joe_rigg at hotmail.com (Joe Rigg) Date: Tue Mar 8 15:48:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] A Cappella Version of Pilgrim In-Reply-To: <20050308145408.1B4FA8C7B6@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Hmmm, This is all getting a bit cryptic! The only mention of the song on the Geetarz listings that I could find was on the compilation "The name's Clapton... Eric Clapton". Any more clues?! >Who is not to say it isn't already posted? >DVDs aren't the only things with Easter Eggs ... >websites can have them too! Good things come to those >who dive deeper ... >Cheers, >AG >P.S. Good luck Sambo#8 From blues4jr at aol.com Tue Mar 8 16:53:57 2005 From: blues4jr at aol.com (blues4jr@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 8 16:54:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hey Apurva Message-ID: <64855796.48FCEBFF.00955D93@aol.com> I would like to get your opinion on Stevie Ray Vaughan's talent. Better than Hendrix? Same? Not as talented? John From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Tue Mar 8 17:14:56 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Tue Mar 8 17:15:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] String quartets, octets, and the thin line between. Message-ID: Tracy, DeltaNick with his detailed knowledge and exclation marks (!!!), mentioning the string octet... ("Eleanor Rigby" was not recorded by Paul McCartney and a sting quartet! It was recorded by Paul McCartney and a string octet, 4 violins, 2 violas, and 2 cellos!") made me feel quite inadequate with my original post saying it was a string quartet.... ("And we'll cut the orchestra back to a string quartet with just vocals") In the hope that he may doubt his resources, just for a couple of seconds, I fabricated my response, with all the confidence one needs with such a falsehood. And just in case someone out there wasn't aware I was fibbing, I stretched the point a little further saying that Paul and George (Martin) would deny it. Sorry for the confusion. Tone How do you know better? Did you read this in a book, or were you in the studio? (that sounds snottier than I mean it....If it is a book, what's the name? I'd like to get it. If it's postulating, then never mind.) And, umm, I think George already has taken it to the grave... ****Of course Paul and George will deny all this and take the truth their graves, BUT, I know better. Tone***** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 7/03/2005 From Cobhome at aol.com Tue Mar 8 19:24:33 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 8 19:24:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] (no subject) Message-ID: <83.22e9e5bd.2f5f9c41@aol.com> Felix Pappalardi - didn;t his wife shoot him in the 80's ??? over another woman ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050308/6e9447e5/attachment.html From downtownstreets at hotmail.com Tue Mar 8 21:16:35 2005 From: downtownstreets at hotmail.com (Fabio Dwyer) Date: Tue Mar 8 21:16:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Beatles, Hendrix & Clapton Message-ID: It's a big relief for me to hear all the criticism over The Beatles and Hendrix. I don't agree with most of the critics I've been hearing, although I don't regard Jimi or the Beatles as great soloist / improvisers, it's just absurd not to see Jimi's inovative work as a rhythm guitarrist. He had a hell of a right hand, an unmatchble groove - maybe just Stevie Ray, who actually took his rhythmic style directly from Hendrix... The fact is: while Clapton is more consistent as a soloist, Jimi was better on his rhythm skills - just listen to Wait Until Tomorrow or Little Wing original intro to get my point of view. And George, alongside with Duanne Allman, was the most lyrycal slide player I've ever heard. Suggested listening: Alvin Lee's "The Bluest Blues" (Pure Blues cd). George is the guest slide-man and it's just beautiful! The reason why I'm so relief is that I realize the strong criticism about Eric is not really about Eric; is about anyone who gets caught on Slowhand Digest's web. I know this is a room for debate, I can listen critics to myself and the ones I admire, but simply to put down Beatles or Hendrix as average artists is really weird. I don't give a them if both were weak live, the fact was they were masters on studio. I don't waste my time looking for their weakness while there are so many things to enjoy...If George Martin had just hired the orchestra and give the day-off to the "kids" I don't believe Eleanor Rigby or Sgt. Peppers album would exist, no matter how good were the uncredited session orchestra players. They knew how to reproduce. The Beatles knew how to create some magical stuff. Sorry Nick, it doesn't make any sense at all. There are opinions and there's non-sense:-) Back to lurking mode. Cheers, Fabio ____________________________________ Conhe?a meu cd "Downtown Streets" (Blues) Visite os sites: www.fabiodwyer.com.br e www.buscamp3.com.br/fabiodwyer From downtownstreets at hotmail.com Tue Mar 8 21:55:40 2005 From: downtownstreets at hotmail.com (Fabio Dwyer) Date: Tue Mar 8 21:55:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Mislabeled Message... Message-ID: my last response was about Apurva's message, not yours. I read your latter post about Geroge's slide work and Hendrix... Apurva, no offense, it's just that sometimes we are too effusive about some opinions of ours that we don't notice how they sound weird to the readers. I think your original post about Beatles beign overrated strange. I, for instance don't like The Who (yeah, I know, shame on me...) but I do recognize their importance, I'd never call them overrated, even if I don't like their songs, they were HUGE, just not for me. SOme acts are undeniably important to music, way above taste, they're HISTORY;-) Cheers, Fabio ____________________________________ Conhe?a meu cd "Downtown Streets" (Blues) Visite os sites: www.fabiodwyer.com.br e www.buscamp3.com.br/fabiodwyer ____________________________________ Conhe?a meu cd "Downtown Streets" (Blues) Visite os sites: www.fabiodwyer.com.br e www.buscamp3.com.br/fabiodwyer From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Tue Mar 8 22:31:55 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Tue Mar 8 22:32:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Steve Gadd In-Reply-To: <20050309025551.644B88C675@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: "ollio" wrote: > And as for drummers, there's only ONE and that's Steve Gadd. As Garret said: > He's amazing! He drives the band, the other drummers nowadays just keep time. Who are these other drummers of whom you speak? Seems to me the art of drumming in the world of rock and pop has never been higher, in terms of sheer technique. I don't listen to much new stuff these days, but even just hearing something in the store, I'm constantly surprised by the level of chops--the subtlety of things like ghosted notes and the downright funkiness of the average drummer these days is great. Steve Gadd is without question one of the great drummers in history, equally superb at jazz, rock and pop. To say, however, that he's the one and only drummer is beyond absurd. He had peers--not many, admittedly--in each of of those genres and even some superiors. That his best work is phenomenal is, I would argue, beyond dispute, but to move into the realm of hyperbole like this serves only to diminish the man and his outstanding accomplishments (and besides, his soporific work on "One More Car, One More Rider" already did that). Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From deltanick at comcast.net Tue Mar 8 23:18:44 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Tue Mar 8 23:18:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Beatles at al Message-ID: <000c01c5245f$16d1fa00$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Re: Beatles at al>> [E]ven though the entire Pepper album may not have been the Beatles themselves recording, does it in the grand scheme of things matter? << Well, if you can't perform the music on stage … then I guess it DOES matter! It's merely a one-time, studio creation. Some would say it's rather clinically done, since there's not actually a band playing. I am often surprised how many of his tunes Clapton can actually play on stage. He can play virtually all of his songs in a live setting. That's because Clapton does not require a studio musician to play his guitar parts, as many other so-called performers do. Were the Beatles capable of performing "Sgt. Pepper's" on stage? Was Milli Vanilli capable of performing their music on stage? Is Ashley Simpson capable of performing her music on stage? Sure it's important. The artists LISTED on "Eleanor Rigby" are the Beatles. But "Eleanor Rigby" is NOT by the Beatles; it's by Paul McCartney backed by a nameless string octet. So, the credited artists are not the real artists. And the real artists are not credited. I prefer "truth in advertising." It's why Eric Clapton is my favorite artist: he doesn't fake it. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050308/e42fd7df/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 8 23:30:22 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Tue Mar 8 23:30:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] myths demystified In-Reply-To: <20050309025551.B77158C678@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Been overwhelmed by the attention the beatles comments have caused.. 1. I don't think hendrix/beatles are over-rated as a whole. Fabio, i think you misunderstood my posts. 2. My comments about beatles as musicians came as a response to thread about them recording with orchestras and what not. My point was merely to say, that from the beginning no one ever looked at the beatles as just musicians first. They are songwriters, producers, arrangers, icons. As instrumentalists, they were not known as this, but it doesn't matter - this is/was point. 3. Hendrix, I stand by my comments, I don't think his legacy is in doubt nor should it matter what i think , these are just opinions, I don't prefer to listen to him just as a guitarist, but like the beatles, as an artist. who cares how one listens or thinks of an artist, but that their work is appreicated - this is the bottom line. I was just conveying my OPINION, i think he's overated as a live guitarist- he's a showman. But I love Hendrix. 4. The question about SRV, I'm assuming that was tongue in cheek. I actually enjoy SRV and think the best form of flattery is all the mimics who appear after you pass. In that sense SRV has earned the highest compliment with all the wannabes who appeared to play like him, but never could. 5. Clapton will blow us away in the Cream reunion and the RnR HoF show.. I hope! From solron at optonline.net Wed Mar 9 00:21:59 2005 From: solron at optonline.net (Sol Fischler) Date: Wed Mar 9 00:23:33 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Underrated musicians... drummers In-Reply-To: <20050308145408.A25138C80E@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Blows me away -- absolutely ASTOUNDS me -- that in any discussion about drummers, and especially on THIS list -- not a word, not a breath -- about Jim Gordon. To put it in layman's terms ( because that's all I know... ) I think the man was an incredible MUSICIAN. I don't think you can listen to any song he played on and think that all he was doing was "keeping time". He had an incredible feel for each song -- his style, the way he could punctuate phrases and actually make different parts of a song stand out -- and I don't mean by overplaying. He was both a finesse drummer -- a MUSICIAN -- and at the same time, was it EC who said he could play like a runaway train...? You listen to almost every song on LAOALS, and each of the drum tracks are different -- giving a different personality to each song. No predictable 4/4 riffs here. Listen to Many a Mile to Freedom by Traffic -- or any other track on Low Spark... and tell me all he was doing was keeping time. And the same thought and craftsmanship -- and energy and power -- are there in his live tracks as well. Sorry everyone, but for me, you can keep Gadd and Ferrone and Oldaker and Baker and Keltner and Newmark and Moon and -- uh, yeah, Ringo -- I got one shot at a drummer -- a guy who really understood music and rhythm and phrasing -- a guy who could deliver any time, all the time -- that guy was Jim Gordon. -- Sol ------------------------------- >- And as for drummers, there's only ONE and that's Steve Gadd. As Garret said: >He's amazing! He drives the band, the other drummers nowadays just keep time. > > ****As an aside, I personally love that combination and a > definite part of it > for me is Steve Ferrone's drumming. Personally I like > his playing a lot > more than Steve Gadd's.**** > > Steve Gadd is the most amazing drummer I've ever heard. Ferrone isn't even > close. You want to know the difference between the Me and Mr Johnson album and > the CD version? Steve Gadd played on the second, and Jim Keltner, an > outstanding session man, played on the first...Steve Gadd is so much better > than Steve > Ferrone, who is very good, that's its not even funny...Gadd, just hitting the > tenor, sends shivers up my spine...and I don't think drummers are > musicians....But Gadd is... > --------------------------------------------------- From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 04:02:52 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Wed Mar 9 04:03:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Truth in music Message-ID: I prefer "truth in advertising." It's why Eric Clapton is my favorite artist: he doesn't fake it. DeltaNick 1. 1967, the same year as Sgt. Pepper, Lawdy Mama was stripped of Clapton's original vocals, and he dubbed new lyrics/vocals onto the same backing to make a different song. Jack and Ginger had no input to the NEW song. 2. 1968, Eric playing a tennis racquet, while miming to Anyone For Tennis. 3. 1968, Eric playing some unbelievably (and I mean it's not believable) fast guitar on the studio Deserted Cities Of The Heart. Nowhere on the album cover does it state that the guitar track has been speeded up. Eric may be God, but he ain't no saint. Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.0 - Release Date: 8/03/2005 From ollio at mbnet.fi Wed Mar 9 04:07:51 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (Olli Oksala) Date: Wed Mar 9 04:07:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drummers Message-ID: <56988.212.213.178.8.1110359271.squirrel@212.213.178.8> Hi all, Scott wrote: ""Steve Gadd is without question one of the great drummers in history, equally superb at jazz, rock and pop. To say, however, that he's the one and only drummer is beyond absurd."" Uhh, once again I tried to be more clever or ironic than I can be with my severly limited intelligence. I tried to point out the stupidness of trying to put musicians in order. I feel music isn't a competition, it's an artform. I like Steve Gadd a lot, he's the king for me, but that doesn't prove anything to anybody else. I know Clapton has been always very clever in his choice of drummers and Eric himself has said, that Jim Gordon was maybe the best rock'n roll drummer of them all. Cheers Olli P.S. The best bassist was of course Carl Radle From jbm90501 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 10:14:06 2005 From: jbm90501 at yahoo.com (James Fox) Date: Wed Mar 9 10:14:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream contest ? Message-ID: <20050309151407.70864.qmail@web53105.mail.yahoo.com> I think there should be a contest or auditions for somebody to say after the Cream performances : "Eric Clapton, vocals." - Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 11:14:59 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Wed Mar 9 11:15:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drummers Message-ID: To me, the best drummers I have ever heard, and the ones I liked the best were (in no order); -Elvin Jones (played primarily with John Coltrane in Coltrane's peak years post Atlantic records I believe). Elvin recently passed away, but when he was alive, he was one of the best jazz drummers around. You could hear him grunting and audibly moaning as he was playing on records, live or studio. Check out A Love Supreme or Live at Birdland, both Coltrane better albums. -Mitch Mitchell: Ironic, cause I beleive he used to say in interviews that Elvin influenced his style of playing a lot. You can hear the jazzy undertones, but for a rock drummer he was more jazz than rock. Enjoyed all his live drumming, and for studio, he was awesome in all the records. Subtle in Axis bold as love, but all out bad ass in Electric Ladyland -Stewart Copeland: Police.. Again another jazz influenced drummer, I see a pattern here.. lol. Always on the beat, but managed to be a lead in his own regard. Love everything he's done with the Police Those were my absolute favorites, the others, ones that I like but not always Keith Moon.. When he was on, he was on, otherwise, sounded too busy and overkill at times. John Bonham: Early on, he was a force to be reckoned with but later years, became a plodding dinosaur.. All the years of drinking took its tool Ginger Baker.. He would rate higher, but I guess he wasn't recorded as good as he could/shoudl have been. I'll be most curious to hear how he plays in the reuinion shows. He sounded great in the HoF concert from 1993. Others that have been mentioned, LIke Gadd, Oldaker, Ferrone, Gordon, all good to great drummers. I think Clapton was been lucky to play with some of the best.. Ginger and Gordon were my two favorite clapton band drummers. From lukpac at lukpac.org Wed Mar 9 13:33:07 2005 From: lukpac at lukpac.org (Luke Pacholski) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Beatles at al In-Reply-To: <20050309171502.0FEDF8CCC9@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: DeltaNick, re: > Well, if you can't perform the music on stage =85 then I guess it DOES ma= tter!=20 > It's merely a one-time, studio creation. Some would say it's rather=20 > clinically done, since there's not actually a band playing. Who said Sgt. Pepper couldn't be played on stage? Didn't Jimi Hendrix play= =20 the whole damn thing on stage? Just because the Beatles didn't do it=20 doesn't mean it was/is impossible. Exactly how can Eric recreate Politican on stage? How about those=20 Bluesbreakers tracks where he plays multiple guitar parts? Hell, what=20 about Layla? How is that any less of a "one-time, studio creation", what,= =20 with all of its various overdubs? > I am often surprised how many of his tunes Clapton can actually play on= =20 > stage. He can play virtually all of his songs in a live setting. That's= =20 > because Clapton does not require a studio musician to play his guitar par= ts,=20 > as many other so-called performers do. What, Sam Cooke was any less of a musican because he only sang and didn't= =20 play any instruments (well, much anyway)? > Were the Beatles capable of performing "Sgt. Pepper's" on stage? They never tried. That doesn't mean they couldn't. Ever listen to The Who's Tommy? Hearing the studio version, I bet you'd=20 say "there's *no* way that can be done with 4 guys on stage." Well, they=20 did it, and they did it well. > Was Milli=20 > Vanilli capable of performing their music on stage? Maybe. Just because they didn't doesn't mean they couldn't. > Is Ashley Simpson=20 > capable of performing her music on stage? Probably, yeah. > Sure it's important. The artists LISTED on "Eleanor Rigby" are the Beatle= s.=20 > But "Eleanor Rigby" is NOT by the Beatles; it's by Paul McCartney backed = by=20 > a nameless string octet. So, the credited artists are not the real artist= s.=20 > And the real artists are not credited. So, kind of like Badge, huh? And, BTW, John and George sang backup vocals on Eleanor Rigby. > I prefer "truth in advertising." It's why Eric Clapton is my favorite=20 > artist: he doesn't fake it. Except when he uses drum machines instead of real drummers. Luke From joeyjay at att.net Wed Mar 9 13:36:29 2005 From: joeyjay at att.net (joeyjay@att.net) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:36:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Steve Gadd vs Ginger Baker Message-ID: <030920051836.13940.422F422D00012AED000036742160281060970E06970A0106@att.net> Does Steve Gadd in his prime really rate upper echelon mention above or alongside of Ginger Baker in his prime? Cheers, Joeyjay From darmel at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 9 13:41:33 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:41:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Secret Policemans Ball Message-ID: <20050309184133.74726.qmail@web81702.mail.yahoo.com> Not an EC request/question... I am looking for another copy of 3 songs from "Secret Policemans Ball:" PeteT's 'Drowned,' 'PinB Wiz' and 'Won't Get Fooled.' The digital media I have of these songs came from an analogy (vinyl) source - the pops & clicks are quite audible (and annoying). Apparently, this disc is out of print and/or not available at a reasonable price. If anyone has a clean, digital source for these three songs, please contact me off-digest at darmel@sbcglobal.net. I made this request initially on January 1st, and several kind folks from 'the digest' got back to me. One slowhander agree to send me a clean, digital copy, but he must have changed his mind or is playing some weird game because it has been three months. He replies to my emails telling me that he is going to send it but never does. Weird. Anyway, I would sure appreciate a clean, digital copy of these 3 songs. In return, I would be happy to send a copy of the compilation CD that I have put together, "Rarities:Eric, Pete and Stevie." Many thanks. Mel Boss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050309/044e619b/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 13:49:34 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:49:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Truth in advertising.. In-Reply-To: <20050309171502.E8D5F8CD82@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Clapton is my favorite artist too, but that doesn't mean he doesn't sometimes "fake it" >>Well, if you can't perform the music on stage … then I guess it DOES >>matter! It's merely a one-time, studio creation. Some would say it's >>rather clinically done, since there's not actually a band playing. AAP: Surprisingly Beano was a one-time creation it seems also.. Clapton never came close to playing like that, even in the Mayall 70th Bday concert last year. Does that mean Beano is "clinically" done? >>>I am often surprised how many of his tunes Clapton can actually play on >>>stage. He can play virtually all of his songs in a live setting. That's >>>because Clapton does not require a studio musician to play his guitar >>>parts, as many other so-called performers do. AAP: ooh, so thoese were different versions of Wonderful Tonight, SOYL, Cocaine, etc on each stop of his tour for the past oh what 10 years.. It seems the opposite is true, Eric only consistently plays a handful of songs, and sometimes musters up enough effort to try something different like a blues number or Somewhere over the Rainbow. And correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Eric employ TWO other guitarists during the Pilgrim tour and other times in 70's completely let G. Terry solo and take front stage? I'm just making this point to be devil's advocate, I never thought less of any artist who didn't play certain songs live that were too tough to do. I'd rather Eric just try it alone rather than using other guitarists just to play diffcult studio songs. I wouldn't miss Father's Eyes, etc if he did that. >>>Were the Beatles capable of performing "Sgt. Pepper's" on stage? Was >>>Milli Vanilli capable of performing their music on stage? Is Ashley >>>Simpson capable of performing her music on stage? AAP: Not keeping count, but looks like DN has mentioned Milli Vanilli way too many times.. Really is MV the only other frame of reference you have in this? Lots of artists didn't or couldn't perform material live, not becuase of incompetence, but because some songs just sound better on the album. Does that make them any less, not in my eyes. I know bringing up led zeppelin will raise ire of many, but they almost never performed songs like In the light, ten years gone, the crunge, etc etc cause they woulnd't come off right live. >>>Sure it's important. The artists LISTED on "Eleanor Rigby" are the >>>Beatles. But "Eleanor Rigby" is NOT by the Beatles; it's by Paul >>>McCartney backed by a nameless string octet. So, the credited artists are >>>not the real artists. And the real artists are not credited. AAP: Then you must discount the entire White Album almost cause it too was recorded by the band members in bits/pieces, and you'd have to re-credit Pet Sounds as well along with so many other albums.. I don't see the criticism here. As a marketer, would you have titled it any differently. >>>I prefer "truth in advertising." It's why Eric Clapton is my favorite >>>artist: he doesn't fake it. AAP: Everyone fakes it! DeltaNick From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 13:50:04 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:50:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Truth in advertising.. In-Reply-To: <20050309171502.E8D5F8CD82@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Clapton is my favorite artist too, but that doesn't mean he doesn't sometimes "fake it" >>Well, if you can't perform the music on stage … then I guess it DOES >>matter! It's merely a one-time, studio creation. Some would say it's >>rather clinically done, since there's not actually a band playing. AAP: Surprisingly Beano was a one-time creation it seems also.. Clapton never came close to playing like that, even in the Mayall 70th Bday concert last year. Does that mean Beano is "clinically" done? >>>I am often surprised how many of his tunes Clapton can actually play on >>>stage. He can play virtually all of his songs in a live setting. That's >>>because Clapton does not require a studio musician to play his guitar >>>parts, as many other so-called performers do. AAP: ooh, so thoese were different versions of Wonderful Tonight, SOYL, Cocaine, etc on each stop of his tour for the past oh what 10 years.. It seems the opposite is true, Eric only consistently plays a handful of songs, and sometimes musters up enough effort to try something different like a blues number or Somewhere over the Rainbow. And correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Eric employ TWO other guitarists during the Pilgrim tour and other times in 70's completely let G. Terry solo and take front stage? I'm just making this point to be devil's advocate, I never thought less of any artist who didn't play certain songs live that were too tough to do. I'd rather Eric just try it alone rather than using other guitarists just to play diffcult studio songs. I wouldn't miss Father's Eyes, etc if he did that. >>>Were the Beatles capable of performing "Sgt. Pepper's" on stage? Was >>>Milli Vanilli capable of performing their music on stage? Is Ashley >>>Simpson capable of performing her music on stage? AAP: Not keeping count, but looks like DN has mentioned Milli Vanilli way too many times.. Really is MV the only other frame of reference you have in this? Lots of artists didn't or couldn't perform material live, not becuase of incompetence, but because some songs just sound better on the album. Does that make them any less, not in my eyes. I know bringing up led zeppelin will raise ire of many, but they almost never performed songs like In the light, ten years gone, the crunge, etc etc cause they woulnd't come off right live. >>>Sure it's important. The artists LISTED on "Eleanor Rigby" are the >>>Beatles. But "Eleanor Rigby" is NOT by the Beatles; it's by Paul >>>McCartney backed by a nameless string octet. So, the credited artists are >>>not the real artists. And the real artists are not credited. AAP: Then you must discount the entire White Album almost cause it too was recorded by the band members in bits/pieces, and you'd have to re-credit Pet Sounds as well along with so many other albums.. I don't see the criticism here. As a marketer, would you have titled it any differently. >>>I prefer "truth in advertising." It's why Eric Clapton is my favorite >>>artist: he doesn't fake it. AAP: Everyone fakes it! DeltaNick From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 15:40:57 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Wed Mar 9 15:41:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] oh no! Message-ID: I think there should be a contest or auditions for somebody to say after the Cream performances : "Eric Clapton, vocals." - Jim I think this is a good idea. However, I feel it should be "Eric Clapton please, the vocal." AG? Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.0 - Release Date: 8/03/2005 From garbarek at wp.pl Wed Mar 9 16:30:36 2005 From: garbarek at wp.pl (Garbarek) Date: Wed Mar 9 16:23:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Offer - Jools Holland 2004 (DVD-R)[PAL] & Woking 2004 (2CD`s) Message-ID: <004c01c524ef$3e9457a0$3602090a@zetkom> Hi Slowhanders! With many thanks to Roberto from Italy today I can offer the following: Jools Holland 2004 (1 DVD-R) [PAL] Woking 2004 (2 CDs) This goes to the first Slowhander who reply off-list to me, with address and a promise to reoffer. Greetings from Poland Zbyszek M. From JEngel2000 at cableone.net Wed Mar 9 18:36:00 2005 From: JEngel2000 at cableone.net (Jeff Engelmann) Date: Wed Mar 9 18:37:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Beatles at al References: <000c01c5245f$16d1fa00$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Message-ID: <001e01c52500$c0ce4b20$6400a8c0@computer> Re: Beatles at al I have no quarrel with the essence of your post, which is contained in your final sentence: "I prefer "truth in advertising." It's why Eric Clapton is my favorite artist: he doesn't fake it." I do however have a BIG problem with having the Beatles lumped together with Ashley Simpson and Milli Vanilli to support your point. While Sgt Pepper was purely a studio creation and the Beatles never dreamt of performing it live, the album hardly falls under the heading of fakes. Sgt Pepper should be thought of as an experimental album, since it expanded the limits of the recording technology of their day. Considering the historical context of SP it seems to me absurd to dismiss it as a mere studio recording, since what really distinguishes SP from, oh, Retail Therapy for example, is that SP was an artistic success. The Beatles undertook such an experimental recording for two reasons: first, because they could; second, because they had given up touring due to the primitive state of live sound engineering and tour management. This rendered the question of performability moot for them. The Beatles chose to record unperformable music. Ashley Simpson and Milli Vanilli used prerecorded music because they could not perform. If you had substituted the Monkees for the Beatles in this post, your point might have been better served. Regards, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: DeltaNick To: Slowhand Digest Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Beatles at al >> [E]ven though the entire Pepper album may not have been the Beatles themselves recording, does it in the grand scheme of things matter? << Well, if you can't perform the music on stage … then I guess it DOES matter! It's merely a one-time, studio creation. Some would say it's rather clinically done, since there's not actually a band playing. I am often surprised how many of his tunes Clapton can actually play on stage. He can play virtually all of his songs in a live setting. That's because Clapton does not require a studio musician to play his guitar parts, as many other so-called performers do. Were the Beatles capable of performing "Sgt. Pepper's" on stage? Was Milli Vanilli capable of performing their music on stage? Is Ashley Simpson capable of performing her music on stage? Sure it's important. The artists LISTED on "Eleanor Rigby" are the Beatles. But "Eleanor Rigby" is NOT by the Beatles; it's by Paul McCartney backed by a nameless string octet. So, the credited artists are not the real artists. And the real artists are not credited. I prefer "truth in advertising." It's why Eric Clapton is my favorite artist: he doesn't fake it. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050309/a7641eea/attachment-0001.html From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 19:02:28 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Mar 9 19:02:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Vocals Message-ID: <20050310000228.98568.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> I think there should be a contest or auditions for somebody to say after the Cream performances : "Eric Clapton, vocals." - Jim I think this is a good idea. However, I feel it should be "Eric Clapton please, the vocal." AG? --------- Tone's gonna hate me for this, but I am 100% in the "Eric Clapton, please, vocals" category myself ;) I certainly do hope Ginger does this, as a nod to those who will get the reference. Amusingly, when Eric Johnson covers "Crossroads" during Alien Love Child gigs, he will at the end say "Eric Johnson, please, vocals" Now onto more pressing matters ... will EC do "it" during Sunshine of Your Love? Sometimes we get "it" at the beginning bars of the solo, sometimes we don't. "It" is, of course, the 'Blue Moon' solo. Cheers, AG __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Wed Mar 9 19:14:22 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Wed Mar 9 19:14:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Steve Gadd vs Ginger Baker In-Reply-To: <20050309233756.A32498CD42@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: joeyjay@att.net asked: > Does Steve Gadd in his prime really rate upper echelon mention above or > alongside of Ginger Baker in his prime? Absolutely not. I'd never insult Gadd in that way. Okay, that's the kind of snarky one-liner that this list seems to revel in, but it seemed an honest question, so I'll give what I feel is an honest answer (albeit one cribbed from an offlist response I sent to another Slowhander's offlist email): No matter what your criteria, of drummers playing western pop music in the last hundred years--jazz, blues, pop, rock, metal, reggae, country or a combination thereof--Gadd is one of the very greatest. Top hundred? Sure. Top twenty? Probably. Top ten? I'd guess so. Music isn't a horse-race, of course, but it is possible to compare and contrast musicians in this way and come to some sort of reasonable, if never definitive, rankings or opinions. They're arbitrary, of course, but if done thoughtfully they can also be reasonable. And while these kinds of lists or rankings are ultimately meaningless, they're also at the very least enjoyable parlor games. And the act of comparing and contrasting--which I so detested in high school--can be useful in helping sort out your own opinions about things by possibly throwing them into a new light and helping you see them from a new angle. Gadd in his prime had chops equal to all but maybe six other drummers...and maybe not even that many; Ginger was NOT amongst that elite group. Gadd also possessed both a feel and musical taste equal or superior to all. I'm not sure what else he can be judged by, but if someone can come up with some other criteria, I'd be very interested. In other words, by the standards drummers and other musicians judge drummers and other musicians, Gadd was at or damn near the top in every way. Which isn't to say he's my favorite--he's not even close. But by any reasonable criteria, he's superior to almost all my favorites (except perhaps Tony Williams). Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 19:45:25 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Wed Mar 9 19:45:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Is is live or is it Memorex? Message-ID: <20050310004526.82939.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> ... thus went the advertising slogan, back in the days when Memorex was a real company that made real products (as opposed to today, when Memorex is only a brand imprint used on the cheapest quality media available). And this slogan holds true, as well, of the discussions regarding the relative merit of studio versus live performance. Personally, like Nick, I do come strongly down on the side of appreciating artists like EC who can walk out on stage and recreate, or even better, *create* their music on the spot in a concert setting. However, comparing the ability to create a live performance is quite different from studio and/or recording expertise, and comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges - it's silly. Another problem here is that once you mention an example, it becomes a hot button topic and people by their nature respond more with their personal feelings about that example than with the underlying issue. In this case, the underlying issue is the conflict between what I will here call the "classical" model and the "improv" model. The classical idea is that a composer, or artist or band, will hear in their head(s) the perfect tune that they want to realize, and then the goal is to try to get as close to that ideal as possible. The improv model holds that there will be an agreed upon structure for the song - a certain key, a certain beginning tempo, or overall feel - but then that each musician will simply play what they feel, and more importantly in the best occurances begin to react and play off one another. Eric Clapton has always been one of the foremost disciples of the latter "improv" concept. He's never quite taken it the direction of the legendary jam bands, but even when the setlist itself does not vary, EC never plays the same solo twice, he's mentioned in interviews that in his mind right up until the time he plays, there's just a "hole" where the solo will be. This is a complete contrast with the other, more classical approach. To get away from the Beatles for a second, as another example let's use Pink Floyd, another band far more from this classical approach. When it's time for EC to solo on something like "Crossroads" I want to hear him play something new, whereas when it's time for the solo in "Comfortably Numb" I know what I want to hear, and I want it executed perfectly! I struggled with this for some years, trying to decide for myself which was the more "valid" example of musicianship to me, and finally realized that the musicianship of creating a solo on the spot, and having created that solo for the first time in the studio, and thereafter seeking to replicate it, were of equal accomplishment, just different. Let's turn this on its head. Okay, the Fabs sucked on stage. Given. There are few artists who can compete with EC in a live setting. But let's face it - EC's never made a truly good studio album, I mean in the concept of really utilizing the studio not as a place to simply capture the essence of a live take, but to create something that is not possible to be realized live. Recording an EC album is simply an exercise in taking individual songs and simply trying to capture them live, and then overdubbing to flesh things out a bit. But EC has never been capable of using the studio as an instrument in its own right, on the level of "Pepper's", "Pet Sounds", "Are You Experienced", "Tommy" (I have always strongly preferred "Quadrophenia", feeling that "Tommy" is sophmoric in comparison) or "Dark Side of the Moon". Any of these I've just mentioned contain something that is more than just the collection of assembled songs, that contains more than the sum of its parts. This doesn't mean that either approach is better or worse, simply that styles differ. And as to "faking it", well since this is a discussion framed in terms of MUSICIANSHIP, let's try it this way ... Ludwig Van started going deaf in his late 20s, and was able to envision entire orchestral pieces in his head, transcribe them to paper, to be played on various instruments he could not play proficiently himself. Was he "faking it"? Or was his genius in the creation, if not the performance? AG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owlnut at verizon.net Wed Mar 9 20:37:36 2005 From: owlnut at verizon.net (owlnut@verizon.net) Date: Wed Mar 9 20:36:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Underrated musicians... drummers In-Reply-To: <20050309171503.D0F838CD94@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050309171503.D0F838CD94@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <422FA4E0.8020303@verizon.net> Sol - As a longtime lurker, I had to respond to your post. You must have been reading my mind. I totally agree with you about Jim Gordon being, in my very humble opinion, one of if not the best rock drummer of not only his time but now as well. I have also felt that, listening to Cream boots and D&D boots, one drummer stands out - Jim Gordon! I could listen to his drumming for days and not be bored. Beth > >Blows me away -- absolutely ASTOUNDS me -- >that in any discussion about drummers, and especially on THIS list -- >not a word, not a breath -- about Jim Gordon. > >To put it in layman's terms ( because that's all I know... ) >I think the man was an incredible MUSICIAN. I don't think you can listen to >any song he played on and think that all he was doing was "keeping time". >He had an incredible feel for each song -- his style, the way he could >punctuate phrases and actually make different parts of a song stand out -- >and I don't mean by overplaying. He was both a finesse drummer -- a >MUSICIAN -- and at the same time, was it EC who said he could play like a >runaway train...? > >You listen to almost every song on LAOALS, and each of the drum tracks are >different -- giving a different personality to each song. No predictable >4/4 riffs here. Listen to Many a Mile to Freedom by Traffic -- or any other >track on Low Spark... and tell me all he was doing was keeping time. > >And the same thought and craftsmanship -- and energy and power -- are there >in his live tracks as well. > >Sorry everyone, but for me, you can keep Gadd and Ferrone and Oldaker and >Baker and Keltner and Newmark and Moon and -- uh, yeah, Ringo -- > >I got one shot at a drummer -- a guy who really understood music and rhythm >and phrasing -- a guy who could deliver any time, all the time -- > >that guy was Jim Gordon. > >-- Sol > >------------------------------- > > >>- And as for drummers, there's only ONE and that's Steve Gadd. As Garret said: >>He's amazing! He drives the band, the other drummers nowadays just keep time. >> >>****As an aside, I personally love that combination and a >>definite part of it >>for me is Steve Ferrone's drumming. Personally I like >>his playing a lot >>more than Steve Gadd's.**** >> >>Steve Gadd is the most amazing drummer I've ever heard. Ferrone isn't even >>close. You want to know the difference between the Me and Mr Johnson album and >>the CD version? Steve Gadd played on the second, and Jim Keltner, an >>outstanding session man, played on the first...Steve Gadd is so much better >>than Steve >>Ferrone, who is very good, that's its not even funny...Gadd, just hitting the >>tenor, sends shivers up my spine...and I don't think drummers are >>musicians....But Gadd is... >> From boultonaj at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 20:47:04 2005 From: boultonaj at hotmail.com (Tony Boulton) Date: Wed Mar 9 20:47:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Beatles at al Message-ID: From: Luke Pacholski The main reason the Beatles never played Sergeant Pepper live was the fact that (other than the appearance on the roof of Apple Studios in 69) their last live performance was in August 1966. The Sergeant Pepper album was not released until June 1967. Maybe we should stick to EC, where we have more knowledge amongst us? ;) Tony To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Beatles at al Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2005 12:33 PM DeltaNick, re: >Well, if you can't perform the music on stage … then I guess it DOES >matter! It's merely a one-time, studio creation. Some would say it's rather >clinically done, since there's not actually a band playing. Who said Sgt. Pepper couldn't be played on stage? Didn't Jimi Hendrix play the whole damn thing on stage? Just because the Beatles didn't do it doesn't mean it was/is impossible. From deltanick at comcast.net Wed Mar 9 21:29:55 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Wed Mar 9 21:30:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Truth In Advertising References: <20050309233757.3FDAE8CD5E@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <002401c52519$10754c60$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Jeff makes some excellent points, and I agree with him. Why did I lump the Beatles together with Ashley Simpson and Milli Vanilli? To provoke thought. To liven things up! This is exactly what we need around here. Jeff, I HIGHLY encourage you to participate more. I think many will agree. Your response was thoughtful and well written. And your response stuck to the points and was civil. I don't equate the music of the Beatles with that of Ashley Simpson and Milli Vanilli. The latter two are pretty well known to be ... less than artists. The Beatles don't need me to speak up for them. Their music speaks for itself: in the mid-60s, they set the world aflame, arguably the greatest impact of any performer ... ever. Period. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050309/15dc2336/attachment.html From solron at optonline.net Wed Mar 9 21:35:39 2005 From: solron at optonline.net (Sol Fischler) Date: Wed Mar 9 21:37:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Steve Gadd vs Ginger Baker In-Reply-To: <20050309233757.3FDAE8CD5E@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: The question is: did either of them rate JUST below, or REALLY WAY below, Jim Gordon in HIS prime... > Does Steve Gadd in his prime really rate upper echelon mention above or > alongside of Ginger Baker in his prime? > From fischfry at optonline.net Thu Mar 10 11:21:00 2005 From: fischfry at optonline.net (fischfry@optonline.net) Date: Thu Mar 10 11:21:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Winwood Message-ID: <30c436930c0fac.30c0fac30c4369@optonline.net> Well, I know the notion of Steve Winwood somehow participating in the Cream shows is just speculation, but his current extensive US Tour itinerary sure adds fuel to it. See pollstar.com for complete listing. Wed 04/20/05 Saint Louis, MO The Pageant Fri 04/22/05 New Orleans, LA Sun 04/24/05 Houston, TX Verizon Wireless Theater Mon 04/25/05 Austin, TX Stubb's Barbeque Tue 04/26/05 Fort Worth, TX Bass Performance Hall Fri 05/27/05 Lake Tahoe, NV Harrah's Tahoe Sat 05/28/05 Lake Tahoe, NV Harrah's Tahoe Sun 05/29/05 Sonoma, CA Sonoma Jazz Festival Tue 05/31/05 Anaheim, CA House Of Blues Barry From Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu Thu Mar 10 11:22:22 2005 From: Ken_Norris at umit.maine.edu (Ken Norris) Date: Thu Mar 10 11:22:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Live Versus Studio Message-ID: Well, let's look at this live versus studio debate involving EC and the Beatles from a slightly different vantage point. The Beatles were the consummate studio artists. They made the greatest albums in the history of rock/pop. As a live band, they were often not the greatest (listen to them playing in Japan at the Budokan with no one screaming in 1966). IMHO, EC is one of the consummate live artists. His albums are. . .sometimes okay, sometimes not so hot. Everybody has been trashing Pilgrim of late as a studio album; but then think about how those songs sounded live in concert. Why do we all collect all of these bootlegs of his live shows? Because they feature him in his best venue. Unfortunately, he has never released an official live album that comes up to Orchestra Night, Club Full of Blues, Double Trouble in Tokyo. He sometimes gets into trouble in the studio, just as the Beatles found themselves in trouble on the stage at the Budokan. So this is really an apples and oranges debate. The Beatles totally ruled in the studio. EC often totally rules on stage. Best, Ken From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 11:31:38 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Thu Mar 10 11:31:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Steve Gadd vs Ginger Baker vs Jim Gordon In-Reply-To: <20050310162120.DF90D8D0BF@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: I said: >> Does Steve Gadd in his prime really rate upper echelon mention above or >> alongside of Ginger Baker in his prime? Sol asked: > The question is: did either of them rate JUST below, or REALLY WAY below, > Jim Gordon in HIS prime... Gadd was well above Gordon and Baker about a mile below. Jim Gordon certainly had ample technique, but he was hired by so many top musicians for his feel, his groove and his imaginative approach. I'd rate Gadd above Gordon in all those areas and Ginger way below; Baker had perhaps the best chops of any rock drummer in the sixties, but that was about all he had going for him (as always, in my opinion). I think Jim's gotten forgotten, unjustly, due to his (obviously) not being in the music biz anymore. Certainly for a period there he was damn near ubiquitous, and the level of people requesting his services should speak for itself. All of which can also be said for Gadd, of course. And while a certain amount of tension can raise the performance level, being concerned that one of your band members is going to bury an axe is your face is not most musicians's preferred method of raising that tension. :) Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From lukpac at lukpac.org Thu Mar 10 12:00:44 2005 From: lukpac at lukpac.org (Luke Pacholski) Date: Thu Mar 10 11:46:52 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Beatles at al In-Reply-To: <20050310162122.5BA298D135@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Tony, re: > From: Luke Pacholski > The main reason the Beatles never played Sergeant Pepper live was the fact > that (other than the appearance on the roof of Apple Studios in 69) their > last live performance was in August 1966. The Sergeant Pepper album was not > released until June 1967. Did I ever suggest otherwise? > Maybe we should stick to EC, where we have more knowledge amongst us? I honestly know more about the Beatles than I do about Clapton, so... BTW, Ashlee Simpson seems to come up a lot. Why? Paul McCartney used pre-recorded vocals for the Super Bowl, how is that any different? Heck, Cream mimed on TV shows. Does that mean they couldn't play? Luke From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 12:08:38 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Thu Mar 10 12:08:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Steve Gadd vs Ginger Baker Message-ID: <20050310170838.28559.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Which isn't to say he's my favorite--he's not even close. But by any reasonable criteria, he's superior to almost all my favorites (except perhaps Tony Williams)." Scott, The problem with music IS the criteria. That's why we get into heated discussions on this list. Does the ability to do something very technical on an instrument make an artist "great"? Maybe but maybe not. Many people would say it is about "feel". (Maybe Gadd has both). I'm sure the guitar players on this list could point out the technical skills of certain guitar players, skills which maybe EC desn't have. Despite this, we all love EC's playing (at least some of it) or we wouldn't be on the list. I know DeltaNick has mentioned his bent-string vibrato but one does not read many comments on this list about EC's guitar playing SKILLS. Does playing a million notes a minute, or the equivalent on the drums, make one great? I suspect most people would say "no". So I'm interested in what the criteria are that makes you say Gadd is so good. I'm not disagreeing, just wondering what you think they are. My original comment about liking Ferrone better than Gadd has nothing to do with any knowledge of playing the drums on my part. It is more feel, sound, the way he fits with the rest of the band. Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 12:22:16 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Thu Mar 10 12:22:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Gadd - Gordon - Baker Message-ID: <20050310172216.31538.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <> Scott, Again I'm interested in how you come to this conclusion. Admittedly it was before the EC-Gadd era, but EC said in 1993 at the Cream R&RHoF "Finaly someone who knows how to play Sunshine!" Also throw in the albums that Ginger has done with Charlie Haden and Bill Frisell and I don't think musicians of this reputation and quality would play with a so-so drummer. Steve Winwood explicitly wanted Ginger for Blind Faith too. I'd like to know your criteria for saying Ginger was "a mile below". Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 12:41:36 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Thu Mar 10 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Feel, technique, skills... In-Reply-To: <20050310171502.8427B8C7ED@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Ken, Richard, Luke, Jeff, AG, Loved your posts. I think the last couple of digest, the posts about the live vs. studio, Beatles, EC, etc, have been great and summarize the best points of the discussion really. Someone had brought up Eric's skills on the guitars, I think this is something that is often overlooked by us fans. A lot of times we get hung up passion, equipment, fire, etc, instead of focusing on this soon to be 60 axeman. Compared to his contemporaries, Page, Beck specifically, I think Eric's playing quality has been rather consistent. Take what you will of the material, but his playing is still capable of great things albeit in more condensed time frames. As far as measuring an artists greatness by his/her "technique". I guess it depends on the medium/instrument. Does Yngwie Malmsteen become the best guitarsit simply becuase he plays faster? Or is BB King not as good because he doesn't focus on the speed of his playing? I dont know.. This is such a diffcult thing to explain, but I think it matters, but it doesn't. I don't think someone is great JUST because of their skill or a specific part of their skill, but i do think that it is part of a artist's greatness. This is a rambling, slippery slope argument. I guess that's the bad ass thign about music, everything is in the eye of the beholder. From peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 12:49:17 2005 From: peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com (An English Boy) Date: Thu Mar 10 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Gadd is NOT God (Gadd am I sick of hearing about Gadd) In-Reply-To: <20050310171502.8427B8C7ED@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Gadd is exactly the kind of player to which I referred when I spoke of EC surrounding himself with "play by the numbers, yuppie, etc. etc." musicians. Gadd has never caught my ear with his playing, even one time. An English Boy~ (who used to play pool with Jim Gordon in North Hollywood CA circa '71) (who owns one of the drumsticks Ginger Baker used on "Sunshine" when doing the Glen Campbell Show in '68) From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 13:04:33 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Thu Mar 10 13:04:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Steve Gadd vs Ginger Baker In-Reply-To: <20050310171502.49C468C6D8@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Richard wrote: > The problem with music IS the criteria. That's why we get into heated > discussions on this list. Does the ability to do something very technical on > an instrument make an artist "great"? Maybe but maybe not. Many people would > say it is about "feel". (Maybe Gadd has both). I'm sure the guitar players on > this list could point out the technical skills of certain guitar players, > skills which maybe EC desn't have. Despite this, we all love EC's playing (at > least some of it) or we wouldn't be on the list. I know DeltaNick has > mentioned his bent-string vibrato but one does not read many comments on this > list about EC's guitar playing SKILLS. Agreed. But having a bare minimum of professional ability is required before anyone even takes you seriously enough to debate the level of your "greatness." Technique alone doesn't make anyone great, but you can't get there without it either. Chops are a means to an end, not the end itself. But you can't get to that end without the means. > Does playing a million notes a minute, or the equivalent on the drums, make > one great? I suspect most people would say "no". So I'm interested in what > the criteria are that makes you say Gadd is so good. I'm not disagreeing, just > wondering what you think they are. My original comment about liking Ferrone > better than Gadd has nothing to do with any knowledge of playing the drums on > my part. It is more feel, sound, the way he fits with the rest of the band. Fair enough. As I think I've said, but perhaps not been clear enough, Gadd had better technique than just about any other drummer in the world. He also had a better feel than just about any other drummer in the world. It's that combination which made him just about the finest drummer in the world, in three different genres. Now, you mentioned that you prefer Ferrone these days. I can't argue with that. When I watched the "One More Car" DVD I was stunned and horrified by Gadd's playing. It was utterly pedestrian. There was nothing wrong with it, there was just nothing right. Honestly, I wondered if he was on Valium or something. To see an artist of his caliber turn in such a lackluster performance was shocking and distressing. I've been told he's gotten better since that tour, regained some of his previous fire. I can neither confirm nor deny that, but I sure hope it's true. [This is the part at which the indefatigable DeltaNick draws a comparison with EC's guitar playing.] On an unrelated note, does anyone know when the Slowhand Digest gets sent out? Is it when it hits a certain number of lines? That doesn't seem possible, because some digests have had only one or two short posts. Is it a time thing? Some days there are one, and some days three. Or is it a combination of the two? A certain number of lines triggers it, but if there aren't enough then it's sent out once day, even if the line limit hasn't yet been reached? Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From jbm90501 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 13:11:51 2005 From: jbm90501 at yahoo.com (James Fox) Date: Thu Mar 10 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] vote / draft Message-ID: <20050310181151.61094.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> OR there could be a vote for somebody to give Clapton vocal credit at Cream performances. possible list of candidates : Peter Brown Dhani Harrison Mark Deavult Lee Dickson Buddy Guy Mabel The Queen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From r_laude at gmx.de Thu Mar 10 13:42:30 2005 From: r_laude at gmx.de (Robert Laude) Date: Thu Mar 10 13:42:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Gadd vs. Ferrone Message-ID: <26792.1110480150@www52.gmx.net> I also would like to add my 2 cents on the debate about Steve Gadd and Steve Ferrone. To make one thing clear: Steve Gadd is one of my favourite drummers. Just check out the Trio in Tokyo-CD with Michel Petrucciani (p), Anthony Jackson (b) and Steve Gadd (dr) if you want to hear him in an environment that is perfect for him. Just the way he plays that famous intro to So What of the way he interplays with Anthony Jackson on Cantabile. It doesn't get better than that. But I also think that Ferrone was the better drummer forr EC in terms of feel, atmosphere and power. I have listened again to the RAH quartet show from February 24th 1990 recently. The chemistry between Ferrone and the band was just great. I really love the shows from 1995-97 with Steve Gadd when Dave Bronze was still playing bass. I think they formed a much better rhythm-section than the combination of Gadd/East. I know this is something one should not say on this list, that there might be a bassist who is better suited to the band's sound than Nathan East. I don't say that Bronze is the better bassist. I just feel that he fitted better with Gadd. The 1996 Hyde Park-Show is a good example for that. Now go and flame me! Robert PS: In my oppinion we must not forget the great Jamie Oldaker! What a treat to hear him on the 1990/91 blues nights. Not to speak about the 70s/80s. -- DSL Komplett von GMX +++ Supergünstig und stressfrei einsteigen! AKTION "Kein Einrichtungspreis" nutzen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From r_laude at gmx.de Thu Mar 10 13:43:53 2005 From: r_laude at gmx.de (Robert Laude) Date: Thu Mar 10 13:43:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Fantasy CD Message-ID: <31460.1110480233@www52.gmx.net> Here is my list with one pick from each of EC?s solo records. I was surprised myself with the result. But it sounds great! Eric Clapton - Blues Power Eric Clapton?s Rainbow Concert - Badge 461 Ocean Boulevard- Give me strength There?s One In Every Crowd - The Sky Is Crying EC Was Here - Ramblin? on my mind No Reason To Cry - Black Summer Rain Slowhand - Cocaine Backless - Tell Me That You Love Me Just One Night - Double Trouble Another Ticket - Black Rose Money & Cigarettes - The Shape You?re In Behind The Sun - Forever Man August - Run Journeyman - Hard Times 24 Nights - Old Love Rush - Cold Turkey 0 Unplugged - Walkin? Blues >From The Cradle - Reconsider Baby TDF: Retail Therapy - Blue Rock Pilgrim - Inside Of Me Riding With The King - Marry You Reptile - I Ain?t Gonna Stand For It One More Car, One More Driver - She?s Gone Me and Mr. Johnson - If I Had Possesion Over Judgement Day Sessions For Robert J. - Milkcow?s Calf Blues -- SMS bei wichtigen e-mails und Ihre Gedanken sind frei ... Alle Infos zur SMS-Benachrichtigung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/sms From garbarek at wp.pl Thu Mar 10 14:23:35 2005 From: garbarek at wp.pl (Garbarek) Date: Thu Mar 10 14:16:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Offer closed - Jools Holland 2004 (DVD-R)[PAL] & Woking 2004(2CD`s) References: <004c01c524ef$3e9457a0$3602090a@zetkom> Message-ID: <004101c525a6$ab90ce80$3602090a@zetkom> This offer is now closed. Christian from Germany promised to reoffer. Cheers Zbyszek From greghilker at gmx.de Thu Mar 10 14:19:08 2005 From: greghilker at gmx.de (Greg Hilker) Date: Thu Mar 10 14:18:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Questions about RAH Message-ID: <42309DAC.3040203@gmx.de> Getting away from the Beatles debate for a moment, does anybody have experience with bringing cameras into the Royal Albert Hall? Having spent a small fortune to see them, I would love to at least get some pictures of Cream to remember the evening with. Thanks for any help, Greg From DLeblanc3 at purolator.com Thu Mar 10 14:54:31 2005 From: DLeblanc3 at purolator.com (Leblanc, Denis (CGI)) Date: Thu Mar 10 14:56:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC's drummers Message-ID: With all due respect to the talents and abilities of Gadd, Newmark, Ferrone et al, I can't tell one from the other. Not that they play terrible or anything. But even including Phil Collins who at least has a trademark sound & style, since 1971 I can't tell the difference. Like comparing apples and apples. Cheers, Denis From Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz Thu Mar 10 15:15:16 2005 From: Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz (Duncan McKie) Date: Thu Mar 10 15:15:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Studio Vs Live Message-ID: I agree that Eric has always been better live, and has never used the studio as an Instrument - A EC concept album?- guess Pros & Cons of Hitchiking was the closest but then that wasn't eric- but he did try to replicate the sound of the studio Live with the Journeyman Tours. IMHO this was the nadir of his live career he was in the deadend of stadium tours with a bloated 8/9 piece band trying to recreate the perfect sound. I saw his NZ show, and while the playing/sound etc was great, there was a lack of spirit. While many Bands get stuck in this Stadium mode trying to get bigger and bigger and eventually becomes an event rather than an music concert, I believe Eric successfully escaped that trap. With Unplugged and then (For a Major Star) the exteme sidestep of the all Blues Tour. Despite Slowhanders saying he doesn't take chances, I think he has lasted so long and so fresh because he is willing to take chances and change, while remaining try to his hardcore Fans, his Pop Fans and his general Fans. Look at his lineups over the last few years- With Horns, with backup singers, one or two keyboards, the change in rythm/support guitar. Rotating his songs to a certain degree, and now bringing in the RJ sets. Eric seems to know his strenghts, and his weakness, and uses them accordingly - sometimes rightly, sometimes he misses Duncan McKie Amateur Rock Analyst The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050311/81f05abc/attachment-0001.html From Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz Thu Mar 10 15:23:25 2005 From: Duncan.McKie at infinity.co.nz (Duncan McKie) Date: Thu Mar 10 15:23:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] vote / draft Message-ID: Dhani Harrison on Rhythm Guitar during badge!! Now that wiould be fitting!! I don't think anyone could complain about the extra guitarist means it's not Cream with that one. And then he could hang 'round for vocal credit on Crossroads. Perfect Duncan McKie -----Original Message----- From: James Fox [mailto:jbm90501@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 11 March 2005 7:12 a.m. To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Subject: [Slowhand] vote / draft OR there could be a vote for somebody to give Clapton vocal credit at Cream performances. possible list of candidates : Peter Brown Dhani Harrison Mark Deavult Lee Dickson Buddy Guy Mabel The Queen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 15:24:51 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Thu Mar 10 15:24:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Some info on Steve Gadd... Message-ID: <20050310202451.59773.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very interesting web site with info about many drummers. Scott Peterson, you will like the Chick Corea quote!! Richard http://www.drummerworld.com/ Gadd, Steve, b. Rochester, New York, April 9, 1945. Uncle, a drummer in the army, encouraged him. Drum lessons from age seven; sat in with Dizzy Gillespie at 11. Studied music at Eastman College, Rochester, playing in wind ensemble and concert band, and at nights in a club with Chick Corea, Chuck Mangione, Joe Romano and Frank Pullara. After college, drafted into army and spent three years in a military band. After the army, gigged and worked with a big band in Rochester. 1972, formed a trio with Tony Levin and Mike Holmes, going to New York with it. The trio fizzled out, but Gadd began to work extensively as a studio musician. He also played with Corea's first Return to Forever. 1970's and 1980's, toured internationally, recorded with Paul Simon and with Al Di Meola's Electric Rendezvous Band. By the end of the 1970's Gadd was the most in-demand and probably the most imitated drummer in the world. In Japan transcriptions of his solos were on sale, and all the leading Japanese drummers were sounding like him. Chick Corea commented, "Every drummer wants to play like Gadd because he plays perfect... He has brought orchestral and compositional thinking to the drum kit while at the same time having a great imagination and a great ability to swing." Gadd was recently in the studio (2003) with Clapton and will be touring with the guitar legend shortly. In September 2003 Gadd was honored by Zildjian with an American Drummer Achievement Award. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 15:26:28 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Thu Mar 10 15:26:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Info on Jim Gordon Message-ID: <20050310202628.20994.qmail@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim Gordon was one of the top session drummers in the '60s. After backing the Everly Brothers in 1963 at age 17, he went to California. Hal Blaine, king of session drummers, began to send Gordon his overflow work. During this period, Gordon appeared on Gene Clark with the Gosdin Brothers (Columbia, 1967) and Notorious Byrd Brothers. Later, Gordon was a member of Derek and the Dominoes, where he had the good fortune to co-write the song "Layla" with Eric Clapton. Gordon worked with Hillman again when he was the drummer in the Souther Hillman Furay Band from 1973 to 1975. Gordon also played with John Lennon, George Harrison, Frank Zappa, Traffic, Delaney & Bonnie, Joe Cocker, Leon Russell, and Jackson Browne. Though he was initially known for being a straight-laced guy, Gordon eventually began to use heroin and cocaine like many of his colleagues in the music business. Sadly, in the '70s, severe psychological problems began to manifest in Gordon's behavior. He complained of hearing voices, especially the voice of his mother. By the late '70s, Gordon's mental difficulties - later diagnosed as acute paranoid schizophrenia - had ruined his musical career. Then, in 1983, Gordon brutally murdered his own mother. The insanity defense having been narrowed in California, Gordon was convicted of second-degree murder in 1984 and sentenced to 16 years to life. Most of his time has been served in Atascadero State Hospital. Gordon remains wealthy, thanks to royalties from "Layla" and a handful of other songs. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 15:28:18 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Thu Mar 10 15:28:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Interview with Steve Ferrone Message-ID: <20050310202818.76212.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does being a part of such a high profile band help or hinder you in any way Steve Ferrone: hmmm..hard question! I don't think it is a hindrance. A lot of people get to hear you play, but that happened before Tom Petty too as I played with high profile bands. I also played with Duran Duran, Average White Band (AWB), Eric Clapton so I've had a pretty high-profile career. So, to answer your question, I don't think it really makes that much difference either way - unless, of course, you have a hit record! I believe I read that you opened for The Who at age 12. What can you tell us about that experience, and at that age, did you have a true sense of how enormous that was? Steve Ferrone: Yes I did open for The Who at age 12. It was not that enormous at that time, but later on down the line, I could say it was a quite an experience. As a matter of fact, two weeks ago I ran into Roger Daltrey... in a studio and I asked him if he remembered playing in Uncle Bunnie's Chinese Jazz Club and he did...and I told him that I was the drummer who played in the opening local band. So we had a good chuckle about that. That was before My Generation came out. They were a pretty flambouyant band even then - the only band that I had ever seen who had their own lights in a tiny club. They were very popular with the mod crowd. Who are the drummers that have most influenced you over the years, and were they cool enough to open for The Who at 12? Steve Ferrone: I would say I'd like to start right off with Ringo Starr - the Beatles were a huge influence with me when I was growing up in England - Charlie Watts was another... Tony Meehan who played with a band called The Shadows... Later on, I found a guy called Bernard Purdy and that was when I started to work American bases in France. Then I started to play with an organ trio and we played some Jimmy Smith songs and the drummer on those records was a guy called Grady Tate. Then a saxophone player called Lloyd introduced me to Elvin Jones, Max Roach, and Art Blakey. Also John Bonham and Clyde Stubblefield... Al Jackson, Jr. was another influence. Can't forget Bobby Mason! And my favorite drummer Jack Dejohnette... There are so many! Steve, what kind of adjustments do you have to make when you are playing Eric Clapton's blues-inspired music, as opposed to when you play Tom Petty's music, which draws on so many different influences? Steve Ferrone: Well, none really... I'm more of a song guy. I don't think of the drums, I think of the songs. I started tap dancing when I was very young, three years old...and I used to tap dance to standards such as Georgia, Top Hat...just old standard songs and I got a good feeling for how a song is structured rhythmically from that. So when it comes to a song, I pretty much have the feel for what is coming next - what is after the next chord. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 15:30:47 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Thu Mar 10 15:30:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] ...and finally Ginger! Message-ID: <20050310203047.6839.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ginger recalls his first experience on drums: "I had been into drums from a listening point of view for quite a time. I used to bang on the table with knives and forks and drive everybody mad. I used to get the kids at school dancing by banging rhythms on the school desk! They kept on at me to sit in with this band. The band wasn't very keen, but in the end I sat in and played the bollocks off their drummer. And that was the first time I'd sat on a kit. I heard one of the band turn round and say: 'Christ, we've got a drummer' and I thought, 'Hello, this is something I can do'." After playing for only a few months, Ginger got a job with a local trad jazz band led by Bob Wallis. At the age of 16, he quit his job, left home, and spent a year on the road. After some time, Ginger got fed up with his kit. With his characteristic achiever's attitude, he decided to make his own: "I got this great idea for using Perspex," recalls Ginger. "It was like wood to work on, but it was smooth, and it would save painting the inside of the drum shell with gloss paint. So I bent the shells and shaped them over a gas stove." Ginger made the kit in 1961 and used it until 1966, when he bought his first Ludwig set. Sadly, it was this home-made set that Jack Bruce would demolish with his upright bass in an on-stage brawl with Baker during the Graham Bond days. Bruce later recalled that the kit sounded spectacular -- like no other kit he'd heard before. Listening to records, Ginger absorbed the playing of Baby Dodds and Alton Red. Then he discovered Max Roach. Applying Roach's technique, Ginger's wild and unconventional playing got him fired from a few bands, but ultimately it would develop into the rhythmic genius that would astound drummers around the world. Moving on to London's West End, he got another band job: "I got a reading gig, and I couldn't read. I had to learn to read music in a fortnight, to get the gig. It took me a week to find out what a repeat sign meant. I couldn't figure out why I was getting to the end of a part and the band was still playing!" During the early 1960s, Ginger played in many jazz ensembles, striving to become a part of London's modern jazz circuit. His passionate and unconventional style, not to mention his short temper, were considered too disturbing. Says Ginger, "In those days I played like a madman and got emotionally involved with the music. Some people don't like that. They feel they are losing control of the band. A lot of drummers played what they heard on record. I was always playing myself. I had influences, obviously, but when I was playing modern jazz I was always accused of being a rock'n'roller because I need to lay down an off-beat. But then, so did Art Blakey. They didn't like this loud drummer playing off-beats, and getting the audience clapping their hands, and dancing about. That was most uncalled for. You were supposed to sit up and listen and drink your drink. But I never considered myself a rock'n'roller, I was always a jazzer." In 1962, Ginger entered the R&B scene, joining Alexis Korner's Blues Incorporated in August of that year, taking over as drummer on the recommendation of Charlie Watts. One night, the late great modern jazz drummer Phil Seamen came to hear Ginger. They later practised and talked together. "Phil heard me play in the All-Niter Club which used to be the Flamingo on Wardour Street," Ginger recalls. "Tubby Hayes (the sax player) had apparently been in there and heard me and ran over to Ronnie Scott's Club and told Phil to come down and hear me. When I got off stage I was suddenly confronted by my hero." In February 1963, Ginger, Graham Bond, and Jack Bruce left Alexis Korner to form the Graham Bond Organisation. Ginger stayed with Bond until 1966 when he formed CREAM. The Bond years were tremendously exciting for Ginger and for the British R&B scene; jazz guitar great John McLaughlin would join the Graham Bond Organisation, then later tenor sax man Dick Heckstall-Smith. During those years, Ginger developed a ferocious approach to drumming which would stun the world during his high-profile days with CREAM. Ginger would add a touch of jazz technique to the rock form, becoming probably the first true jazz-rock fusion drummer. Even today, great musicians hail Ginger as the greatest drummer of the rock genre, though thepublic at large has given him less credit than he deserves. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From mangs88 at verizon.net Thu Mar 10 17:05:48 2005 From: mangs88 at verizon.net (sam mangano) Date: Thu Mar 10 17:05:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] pics at RAH Message-ID: <0ID500BYHPDOLBF1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> 1. Sneak the camera in, they arent allowed in. 2. Once in, you should be fine (ie they probably wont take it from you like sometimes happens in the US). I was told nicely a couple times to put it away by a matronly usher on the floor left 10 rows away (i snapped most of my pics when she left her station). 3. if you are close to the stage (within the first 5 rows), dont even worry, snap away. however, DONT use your flash!! it only draws attention to you, and it doesnt help anyways. i got a lot of great pics during the layla stage rush in 2001 (EC about 5 feet away), i would guess it will be the "sunshine" stage rush for cream. 4. try to take pics when the stage lights are white or yellow. blue and green are sometimes ok, and red is the absolute worst time to try and get a good pic. good luck, and remember to get them posted somewhere we can all share. thanks sambo8 l8r sambo From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Thu Mar 10 19:21:30 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Thu Mar 10 19:21:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Ginger and a list of favorite drummers References: <20050310201524.6A9CE8C635@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <011301c525d0$4749c790$e48b29d8@Kelly> I must admit I am surprised to see people mentioning Steve Gadd above Ginger. I mean I like Gadd, but I wouldn't put him in my top 10 favorites list (more likely top 20) or top 10 best list. But I'm not taking anything away from Gadd. He's great. My favorite drummer, well it's a tie. My favorite drummers are Ginger and Keith Moon. Others I like: Max Weinberg (Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band) Matt Cameron (Pearl Jam, Soundgarden) Levon Helm (The Band) Jim Gordon (D&D) Lars Ulrich (Metallica) Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins) Bill Ward (Black Sabbath) Zak Starkey (The Who) Art Blakey Just to name a few. Also, I like Neil Peart, but I REALLY don't like Rush. Anyway, just my opinion and thoughts...it's all subjective. :-) So what about everyone else? Kelly ----------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi From jbroholm at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 10 19:51:59 2005 From: jbroholm at sbcglobal.net (John Broholm) Date: Thu Mar 10 19:52:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] McCartney vocals Message-ID: <20050311005159.26141.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> >>>BTW, Ashlee Simpson seems to come up a lot. Why? Paul McCartney used pre-recorded vocals for the Super Bowl, how is that any different? Heck, Cream mimed on TV shows. Does that mean they couldn't play?<<< Not to get too far off Clapton content, but what did McCartney lip-synch at the SuperBowl? I understand Tom Shales said he suspected it, but is there any real evidence? I didn't see anything suspicious. If he did it on Hey Jude, it was absolutely the greatest job of lip synch ever done. They should make a Grammy category for lip synch and give it to him. And the equalization was amazingly consistent throughout if only certain songs were synched. That didn't look like any Up With People job to me. JB From susbastille at msn.com Thu Mar 10 20:15:23 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Thu Mar 10 20:15:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Vocals and STP (Skill, Technique, Passion) Message-ID: >>"Eric Clapton, vocals." "Eric Clapton please, the vocal." "Eric Clapton, please, vocals"<< Anyone else for "Eric Clapton, please, on vocal." That's what I've always heard myself, anyway. Listening right now and can't make it out for sure, which, I guess, is the reason this comes up from time to time. (But, and I'll just add this since the Beatles have been so relevant here lately, I did finally discern a "I'm very bored," rather than the more fun to speculate, "I buried Paul"--"Strawberry Fields Forever.") LOL.... As far as Clapton and skill and technique and passion, I've always likened him to a master painter. And like Da Vinci or Michelangelo or Picasso--a true, rare conduit, where skill, technique and passion are all present to create the highest art--masterful and magic. The greatest painters used color, brush and canvas (employing technique their own or copied) as a vehicle through which their skill and passion merged in the creation and realization of works of beauty and grandeur, power and emotion...works of art so skillfully rendered with the heart and soul (the artist laid bare) that the creations themselves almost live and breathe on their own. Works that draw you in and touch and inspire and arouse strong emotion. To me, Clapton does the same. He has that same magical combination of skill and technique and passion. He is the master artist on guitar: his skill, technique and passion co-mingling within his fingers, the six strings and the air to create the powerful and beautiful notes, chords and solos (songs) that we all love. best, susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050310/d28ff1c6/attachment.html From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 20:15:47 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Thu Mar 10 20:15:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Gadd - Gordon - Baker and drummers galore In-Reply-To: <20050310201524.6A9CE8C635@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: I said: >> Gadd was well above Gordon and Baker about a mile below. Richard Batty replied: > Again I'm interested in how you come to this conclusion. Admittedly it was > before the EC-Gadd era, but EC said in 1993 at the Cream R&RHoF "Finally > someone who knows how to play Sunshine!" And there you go. He hadn't played with Gadd yet, at least extensively. > Also throw in the albums that Ginger has done with > Charlie Haden and Bill Frisell and I don't think musicians of this reputation > and quality would play with a so-so drummer. I don't know if I'm just being unclear or if it's the way these conversations get broken up by digests, but I never said, nor meant to imply, that Ginger was a so-so drummer. I know at one point I said he almost certainly had the finest chops of any rock drummer in the sixties. It's not an insult to Clapton to say he doesn't have the technique of Al DiMeola. EC's created dozens of masterpieces, while DiMeola has created...well...he can play really, really fast. It's not an insult to Ginger to say he didn't have Gadd's chops. Virtually NO one else did. Probably not even Cobham, THE rock/jazz drummer of the 70s, although I'd still put my money on Tony Williams. On the other hand, I'm not sure Gadd could just plain rock out like those two. > Steve Winwood explicitly wanted Ginger for Blind Faith too. And we know how that worked out. :) > I'd like to know your criteria for saying Ginger was "a mile below". I hope I hope I hope I answered that by now? If not, I'll give it one more stab. Short answer: he was a superior technician AND a more tasteful musician. Also, someone mentioned Jamie Oldaker. As with everyone else we're talking about--Jim Gordon, Steve Ferrone, Phil Collins, whoever--he's got professional chops: let's just take that as a given for anyone EC's worked with. But with the exception of Phil Collins, I prefer Oldaker to any of them. I just love his style. He's funky, he's understated, he can kick out the jams when he needs to--he's my favorite. He's not as good a drummer as Gadd :) but I wish EC would use him again at least occasionally. Oh, took way too long replying--this just in, Richard quoting a website: > Gordon was a member of Derek and the Dominoes, where he had the good > fortune to co-write the song "Layla" with Eric Clapton. I think I'd argue that Eric Clapton had the good fortune to co-write the song with Jim Gordon. Okay, now Kelly wrote: > I must admit I am surprised to see people mentioning Steve > Gadd above Ginger. I mean I like Gadd, but I wouldn't put > him in my top 10 favorites list (more likely top 20) or top 10 best list. > But I'm not taking anything away from Gadd. He's great. > My favorite drummer, well it's a tie. My favorite drummers are > Ginger and Keith Moon. Ah, but those are two different things: who we like best and who we think best. My two favorite drummers ever are Bill Bruford and Phil Collins, both of whom have (or perhaps in the case of Collins, had) great technique, but I'd never say either way the greatest drummer ever, in any genre (unless one considers prog rock a genre). > Others I like: > Max Weinberg (Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band) Agreed. Another of my very favorites, and probably the single-biggest influence on my style, along with Bill Berry, another drummer I love but who I'd never say was a challenger for The Greatest. > Matt Cameron (Pearl Jam, Soundgarden) You know, never been that impressed by him. He's really good, no question, but not nearly as good, to my ears, as whathisname, the guy from the debut album. He also seems to have something of a Stewart Copeland fixation. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it still strikes me every time I hear him. And Dave Grohl's just astonishing. I don't blame him for not playing much these days, but I sure wish he would. > Levon Helm (The Band) MAN! Talk about feel--that boy's got the funk in spades. > Jim Gordon (D&D) > Lars Ulrich (Metallica) I can only listen to about fifteen minutes of Metallica at a time, but yeah, Lars is pretty great. > Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins) I can only listen to about fifteen minutes of Smashing Pumpkins at a time, but yeah, Jimmy's pretty great. > Bill Ward (Black Sabbath) > Zak Starkey (The Who) > Art Blakey Absolutely. Max Roach is another monster in a not-unrelated vein. > Just to name a few. Also, I like Neil Peart, but I REALLY don't like Rush. I think he's one of those that either works for you or doesn't. He's got great chops, although maybe not quite as good as he gets credit for, but he's got (in my opinion) no feel. Then again, his music doesn't really call for it much. > Anyway, just my opinion and thoughts...it's all subjective. :-) Ayuh. It's fun to bat around, though, isn't it? > So what about everyone else? Yeah, I'd like to hear from some others as well. Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From LukPac at lukpac.org Thu Mar 10 20:16:08 2005 From: LukPac at lukpac.org (Luke Pacholski) Date: Thu Mar 10 20:16:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: McCartney vocals Message-ID: John, re: >Not to get too far off Clapton content, but what did >McCartney lip-synch at the SuperBowl? I understand Tom >Shales said he suspected it, but is there any real >evidence? I didn't see anything suspicious. If he did >it on Hey Jude, it was absolutely the greatest job of >lip synch ever done. They should make a Grammy >category for lip synch and give it to him. And the >equalization was amazingly consistent throughout if >only certain songs were synched. A few bits and pieces... - there was an indication that Paul was in an LA studio recording the stuff. I'd have to re-check Usenet for the info. - very few shots of Paul's lips. He had a giant microphone right in front of his mouth for the straight on shots, while many other shots were from a distance. - the sound seemed WAY too clean to be live. Most of the vocals were spot on. Plus, when Paul ad-libbed, the vocal sound seemed change a lot - as if he was actually live. - while I don't recall seeing this, apparently there were a few spots where Paul was "singing" but his lips weren't moving. Luke -- http://lukpac.org/ From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 20:34:11 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Thu Mar 10 20:34:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Draft Message-ID: <20050311013411.5470.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> "Dhani Harrison on Rhythm Guitar during badge!! Now that wiould be fitting!! I don't think anyone could complain about the extra guitarist means it's not Cream with that one. And then he could hang 'round for vocal credit on Crossroads." ------- No way! The over the hill hippies in the audience, knowing George has moved beyond this astral plane, would freak out thinking they were having an awfully delayed acid flashback or some sort of vision, and would riot, destroying the RAH in the process! AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From KMaksin at NCICAP.org Thu Mar 10 20:43:06 2005 From: KMaksin at NCICAP.org (Ken Maksin) Date: Thu Mar 10 20:42:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Ginger and a list of favorite drummers Message-ID: <46AD4BEC55E47248B97086AFCEC37DC99D13C3@CAFS01> In addition to the usual suspects: Keith Moon, John Bonham, & Ginger, one of the the best drummers that I was lucky enough to see live- the drummer for Bad Company-Simon Kirke. ken m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max Weinberg (Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band) Matt Cameron (Pearl Jam, Soundgarden) Levon Helm (The Band) Jim Gordon (D&D) Lars Ulrich (Metallica) Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins) Bill Ward (Black Sabbath) Zak Starkey (The Who) Art Blakey Just to name a few. Also, I like Neil Peart, but I REALLY don't like Rush. Anyway, just my opinion and thoughts...it's all subjective. :-) So what about everyone else? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050310/52e99ef0/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 20:59:04 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Mar 10 20:59:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Is It Real, Or Is It ... Message-ID: <000701c525dd$e8da06d0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Cream mimed on TV shows. Does that mean they couldn't play?<< No, not at all. It means that the show didn't want to spend the money: they were cheap. It's cheaper to get the performers to mime. We'[ve grown up a lot since then ... until Ashley Simpson on "Saturday Night Live" ... "Live" now being a misnomer. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050310/5741298d/attachment-0001.html From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 21:03:17 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Mar 10 21:03:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drummers Message-ID: <001001c525de$7f82e7a0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> DrummersRegarding drummers, I will say that I don’t really spend too much time comparing. Some people tell me that a certain drummer really drives a band, and to me he sounds dead. At other times, I like the way the drumming on a record sounds, and a friend will tell me that the drummer sounds dead. Go figure! Gadd, Ferrone, Gordon, Starr: I never noticed anything, ‘cept that the drummer kept good time. As far as I’m concerned, they’re all decent, but I never heard anything special, nor did I ever take notice of anything. I really don't like the recorded sound of individual instruments on "LAOLS," although toegther it works, and it's a great album. So, maybe "LAOALS" is not the best example of Gordon. But he never caught my attention on anytheing else, so ... However, I have noticed the drumming of people such as Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchell, Elvin Jones, Buddy Rich, Charlie Watts, and a few others. For my taste, Baker’s rather “heavy” sounding (I like more “rat-a-tat”), and Mitch Mitchell often sounded too “light” (not enough “bottom” sound). Watts always seems good -- the best musician in the current Stones, in my opinion -- and understated. However, one guy whose drumming actually did impress me was Aynsley Dunbar, who played with John Mayall while Peter Green was guitarist. Dunbar later played in a number of bands, including Whitesnake (I have no idea what Whitesnake sounds like, nor do I care), Jefferson Starship, Journey, and some other bands. As I mentioned earlier, I’m not really into drummers, so I don’t follow any around from band to band. I never really cared for Journey either. But Dunbar, while playing with John Mayall, seemed to have it all: feel, technique, imaginative rhythms while keeping good time, and a careful balance of both top (snare) and bottom (toms and bass). He was always snappy and imaginative, and always seemed to provide more than just time. I really liked his style. I’m not saying that Dunbar is the best drummer, nor am I saying that he’s my favorite. All I’m doing here is relating appreciation for one drummer who impressed me, at least while he was with Mayall. For those of you familiar with Mayall’s recordings, tracks that stand out -- with Dunbar’s drumming -- are “The Supernatural,” “The Stumble,” “Dust My Blues,” “You Don’t Love Me,” and “All My Life.” DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050310/c90e4151/attachment.html From LukPac at lukpac.org Thu Mar 10 21:28:56 2005 From: LukPac at lukpac.org (Luke Pacholski) Date: Thu Mar 10 21:29:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Is It Real, Or Is It ... Message-ID: DeltaNick, re: >No, not at all. It means that the show didn't want to spend the money: they >were cheap. It's cheaper to get the performers to mime. We'[ve grown up a >lot since then ... until Ashley Simpson on "Saturday Night Live" ... "Live" >now being a misnomer. So with Cream it was the show's fault, but with Ashley it's her fault? Even when she was rehearsing live earlier that day? Luke -- http://lukpac.org/ From LukPac at lukpac.org Thu Mar 10 21:33:06 2005 From: LukPac at lukpac.org (Luke Pacholski) Date: Thu Mar 10 21:33:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Vocals and STP (Skill, Technique, Passion) Message-ID: Susan, re: >Anyone else for "Eric Clapton, please, on vocal." That's what I've always >heard myself, anyway. Listening right now and can't make it out for sure, >which, I guess, is the reason this comes up from time to time. For some reason I've always heard "Eric Clapton, lead, uh vocal". Although listening again it seems like that might indeed be a "please" instead of "lead". Luke -- http://lukpac.org/ From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 21:55:28 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Mar 10 21:55:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Technique (Again) Message-ID: <006701c525e5$c99c9d70$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Any time a guitar player plays a guitar, there's technique involved. It may be good, it may be bad, but technique allows a player to fret a string and pick a note. No technique: no guitar. Duh! Now, swallow these quotes: “As a lead guitarist Eric [Clapton] is really every bit as good as people have been saying he is (Jon Landau, “Blues Breakers/Fresh Cream,” "Crawdaddy!" August 1967, p. 15). “Clapton in particular has few or no technical equals, in jazz or rock. He has to be heard to be believed” (Alan Heineman, “Trippin’: Impressions of Cream and Jefferson Airplane,” "Down Beat," June 1968, pp. 15-16). DeltaNick Note: I will remind you that "Down Beat" is THE jazz magazine, and was the ONLY jazz magazine that's survived since the '60s. “Clapton’s economy of style, clarity of technique and improvisatory firepower are the standard by which nearly all electric guitarists, blues or otherwise, have been judged for over twenty years” (David Fricke, “The Best Of God [Crossroads Review],” "Rolling Stone," 21 April 1988, p. 107). Blues music has played a vital role in the development of rock. But if any contemporary star can be credited with single-handedly winning over the masses with the blues, it’s most certainly Eric Clapton. Reaching back to his days jamming with Brit blues rockers Cream, The Yardbirds, and John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers, up through his illustrious solo career and 2000 collaboration with B.B. King, Riding With The King, Clapton is largely responsible for reminding the mainstream of blues’ abiding relevance (Kurt Orzeck, “Eric Clapton Pays His Blues Dues,” "ICE," March 2004, p. 5). "If you thought Eric Clapton was human, you'd better listen to this." The late British DJ, John Peel, referring to Cream's live version of Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues," recorded at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom in March 1968. Here's the definition of "technique" from dictionary.com: tech-nique (noun) 1. The systematic procedure by which a complex or scientific task is accomplished. 2. also, a. The way in which the fundamentals, as of an artistic work, are handled, and b. Skill or command in handling such fundamentals. Bottom Line: Clapton's got it all. Great technique allows him to do what he wants. And what he wants is what counts. Other guitarists have great technique, but they couldn't. But, what they play is merely guitar gymnastics, musical masturbation. They can type fast, but they don't know what to write. Clapton tells a good story, and he can do it with skill. He's got it all. So, yes, Clapton's got stupendous technique, but he's not "technically oriented." He doesn't abuse his technique, or allow it to substitute for substance. Now, Eddie VanHalen, Joe Satriani, and all the other shredders, from what I've heard, have technique in abundance. But for my taste, they ain't got much more than that. And THAT is the difference. They may be able to do SOME technical stuff better than Clapton, and Clapton can do SOME technical stuff better than them (string bending is one thing that immediately comes to mind). But they've all got great technique. Among those I've just mentioned, however, Clapton's the only one who can do something really worthwhile with it, in my opinion (lest I offend someone). DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050310/61a7c0f3/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Fri Mar 11 00:51:10 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 11 00:51:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Music Message-ID: I have enjoyed all the varied points of view expressed in this discussion - and feel inspired to throw my hat into the ring - I think music is about an experience - when you are "experiencing" a piece of music - are you really thinking about technique ?? I find - that there is something that emotionally - resonates - and this is the music I like - it is a sort of heartfelt experience - that defies all this analysis - intellectualizing it - and taking it apart - kind of distances you from the actual "experience". Why do some people LOVE Dylan and others shake their heads in wonder?? Why do some people love the raw music of R Johnson - and others - pretend they like it (LOL) = I think that is the "resonant" piece - and has nothing to do with any conscious awareness of technique or wheither the music can be performed live or not - The songs of The beatles - clearly have a great appeal - that seems to transcend the usual limits of generation - my 80 yr old mom loves em - I love em - my teenage nephew loves em - and my 8 yr old loves em - and this despite that lack of great technique or ability to duplicate them live - they are simply great songs - I also am astonished that people think Steve Gadd is "the" drummer - to the best of my knowledge he made his reputation with Paul Simon and James Taylor - and having heard him several times on tour with Taylor - I think he bludgeons some of Taylors more fragile songs - Steve Gadd is not of an age where he could be said to be one of the pioneers - like Ginger - Bonham - Gordon and Levon Helm - and how can any discussion of drummers exclude the great Jim Keltner ?? Cecelia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050311/bb65aa15/attachment-0001.html From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 04:15:27 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Fri Mar 11 04:15:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drummers... Message-ID: <20050311091527.33699.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, great discussion and a great example of our varied musical tastes. Above all, finding the balance between technique and feel. I just listened to the Knebworth 1990 and London at Night 1990 versions of "Tearing Us Apart". For me, these just swing so much. It's almost impossible not to get up and dance to the Knebworth version, to me there is so much anticipatory excitement as these versions start off. As much as I love the 1996 Hyde Park show, that version of "Tearing" doesn't quite have the same feel. One data point, I know, but sort of representative of Ferrone vs. Gadd for me. A big part of that for me is Ferrone, but as a former scientist (!!), I have to say that Greg Phillinganes (as well as Nathan) is a common denominator there too. I think it goes back to what I wrote about the special magic of the EC / Greg / Nathan / Ferrone combo. (But then we can get into a whole discussion that Greg was better for certain songs, maybe for want of a better word the "danceable" EC songs where Chris Stainton is so good on the blues songs. Could maybe say the same thing for Nathan vs. Dave Bronze). I do like the feel Ferrone gives and as someone mentioned the lighter sound (due to more snare use rather than toms?) I'm not a big fan of drum solos (sat through 20 minutes of Bonham a couple of times back in the early 1970s!!!) but for me the short solo Steve plays at the end of the 24 Nights version of "Sunshine" is the perfect rock drum solo - tasteful, technique and the right length! I agree with the comment about Jamie Oldaker. I love his work on the blues nights in 1990 and 1991 especially, e.g. "Watch Yourself". Also just listened to the intros to "Why Does Love" and "Got To Get Better" on the Dominos' Live At The Fillmore - great intricate stuff from Jim Gordon that gives the songs a great swing. Ok, enough rambling!!!! Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 04:33:33 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Fri Mar 11 04:33:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] PS on drummers!! Message-ID: <20050311093333.99677.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have to say I love Keith Moon's playing with The Who. Talk about the perfect drummer for that band. Kenny Jones is a fine drummer but just didn't fit with The Who. IMHO Zak Starkey does a good job for them. And Moonie was not just one constant solo - listen to the intricacy on"Bargain" off Who's Next. One name that has not been mentioned is Michael Shrieve who was about 16 when he started with Santana. His Woodstock "Soul Sacrifice" is probably the most enjoyable long drum solo I've ever heard...yes, sounds like an oxymoron!!! But I love his playing with the early Santana band. Also worth throwing in Alan White from Yes. R __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 11 05:54:47 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Mar 11 05:54:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Drummers Message-ID: <003e01c52628$bfb64cf0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> We've discussed guitarists, bassists, keyboard players, percussionists, and now drummers. But note that we do NOT discuss horn players. Not that I want to, but I think it kind of emphasizes a point I made several days ago ... DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050311/4b0eb7c1/attachment.html From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 06:49:31 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Fri Mar 11 06:49:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Aynsley Dunbar Message-ID: Would You Go All The Way? Bwana Dik Latex Solar Beef Shove It Right In Penis Dimension Half A Dozen Provocative Squats Dog Breath The Grand Wazoo Aynsley also played on these tracks with a band that changed their name in a last ditch attempt to get their cruddy music on the radio. Damn fine music! Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 9/03/2005 From Debby at Avalonrecords.com Fri Mar 11 09:34:39 2005 From: Debby at Avalonrecords.com (RMS1) Date: Fri Mar 11 09:39:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drummers, etc. Message-ID: <62077A6BF0B05542B9746792F5771A1E488F@mewtwo.RMS.local> Just to throw another name into the drummer hat - Carter Beauford of DMB. I think his drumming is a very important part of their sound. As for the various drummers that have worked with Clapton, I can't really state a preference. They're ALL good in their ways; I don't see enough of a difference to say this guy or that guy would have been better for this album or that song. So let's agree to disagree; they're all great! :-) One thing we CAN agree on, EC surrounds himself with some of the best musicians out there. Also, re: DeltaNick's last post regarding technique, I SO agree with him. So many of these heavy metal guitar "gods" just seem to be abusing the instrument, not playing it. EC says something with the guitar; he makes it talk, cry, sing. Just my .02, Debby J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050311/b93e52aa/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 09:52:16 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Fri Mar 11 10:01:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] drummers, ec's technique In-Reply-To: <20050311055119.8EBB38CAA1@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: I dare say the past week has been a great time to be a member of the digest, so many varying takes on this whole live vs studio, technique and drumming. Drummers: While I love the Jazz/rock drummers that I mentioned before, I never really think of drumming when I listen to EC's music for some reason. Unless it's Cream and where Ginger is allowed space to be a lead in his own right, drummers for EC's bands have been more or less relegated to time keepers and to stay on the beat. What little I've heard of Gadd's playing outside of EC's music, I like a lot. Especially in the jazz legends tour, he was very very good. In general, blues drummers aren't always given the space/time to be virtuosos, so a lot of EC's drummers even in the rock mold have been restrained a bit. I do however, liked whoever the drummer was on FTC, Keltner Ithink. As far as technique is concerned, I have a little test. If the guitarist cannot play the blues, then he may have technique but little else. Case in point. Eddie Van Halen. Super guitarist, inventive, spanned a million guitar finger tapping hacks, good rock guitarist. But have you ever heard him playing anything with feel, touch, soul ie the blues? No. His technique or style isn't fully able to play. However, Eric, since he has the basis for all styles of playing, can attempt to play a Robert Johnson song or two solo with no accmpanyment. Check out the RJ Sessions dvd, he speaks about how hard he has to work to get close, but that it would be a "lifes work" to match Robert Johnson. Then he proceeds to play a acoustic numbers, no Doyle, and does so very well. That shows me he has the technique and the feel to attempt it. I guess I would say I am maybe one of the people who take EC for granted. Sure we've been spoiled, but he does what other only attempt to do. Make the guitar act as voice of its own. As for the "live" vs. lip synching.. In most pop music cases, most artists use a track/guide vocal when they play live, because the expectation from the audience is to hear what is on the album. I don't fault people like Ashlee Simpson or Madonna, etc people who actually sung on the studio album, I guess us being Eric Clapton fans, we want the opposite, we want to hear something not on the cd, totally new, improvised. My 5 cents on this subject. -AAP From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 10:00:41 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Fri Mar 11 10:07:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] drummers, ec's technique In-Reply-To: <20050311055119.8EBB38CAA1@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: I dare say the past week has been a great time to be a member of the digest, so many varying takes on this whole live vs studio, technique and drumming. Drummers: While I love the Jazz/rock drummers that I mentioned before, I never really think of drumming when I listen to EC's music for some reason. Unless it's Cream and where Ginger is allowed space to be a lead in his own right, drummers for EC's bands have been more or less relegated to time keepers and to stay on the beat. What little I've heard of Gadd's playing outside of EC's music, I like a lot. Especially in the jazz legends tour, he was very very good. In general, blues drummers aren't always given the space/time to be virtuosos, so a lot of EC's drummers even in the rock mold have been restrained a bit. I do however, liked whoever the drummer was on FTC, Keltner Ithink. As far as technique is concerned, I have a little test. If the guitarist cannot play the blues, then he may have technique but little else. Case in point. Eddie Van Halen. Super guitarist, inventive, spanned a million guitar finger tapping hacks, good rock guitarist. But have you ever heard him playing anything with feel, touch, soul ie the blues? No. His technique or style isn't fully able to play. However, Eric, since he has the basis for all styles of playing, can attempt to play a Robert Johnson song or two solo with no accmpanyment. Check out the RJ Sessions dvd, he speaks about how hard he has to work to get close, but that it would be a "lifes work" to match Robert Johnson. Then he proceeds to play a acoustic numbers, no Doyle, and does so very well. That shows me he has the technique and the feel to attempt it. I guess I would say I am maybe one of the people who take EC for granted. Sure we've been spoiled, but he does what other only attempt to do. Make the guitar act as voice of its own. As for the "live" vs. lip synching.. In most pop music cases, most artists use a track/guide vocal when they play live, because the expectation from the audience is to hear what is on the album. I don't fault people like Ashlee Simpson or Madonna, etc people who actually sung on the studio album, I guess us being Eric Clapton fans, we want the opposite, we want to hear something not on the cd, totally new, improvised. My 5 cents on this subject. -AAP From darmel at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 11 10:54:14 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Fri Mar 11 11:00:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Secret Policeman's Ball Message-ID: <20050311155414.26534.qmail@web81708.mail.yahoo.com> I am still looking for a good digital copy from The Secret Policeman's Ball - "PeteT's 'Drowned,' 'PinB Wiz' and 'Won't Get Fooled.' The digital media I have of these songs came from an analogy (vinyl) source - the pops & clicks are quite audible (and annoying). Apparently, this disc is out of print. If anyone has a clean, digital source for these three songs, please contact me off-digest at darmel@sbcglobal.net. I would sure appreciate a clean, digital copy of these 3 songs. In return, I would be happy to send a copy of the compilation CD that I have put together, "Rarities:Eric, Pete and Stevie." Many thanks. Mel Boss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon Hognason From artaarias at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 12:17:41 2005 From: artaarias at yahoo.com (Art Arias) Date: Fri Mar 11 12:17:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Vocals and STP (Skill, Technique, Passion) Message-ID: <20050311171741.4682.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> <<(But, and I'll just add this since the Beatles have been so relevant here lately, I did finally discern a "I'm very bored," rather than the more fun to speculate, "I buried Paul"--"Strawberry Fields Forever.") LOL....>> You mean it isn't "Cranberry Sauce"?!?!?!? :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From stuartcowie at btinternet.com Fri Mar 11 12:46:14 2005 From: stuartcowie at btinternet.com (Stuart Cowie) Date: Fri Mar 11 12:46:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Vocals In-Reply-To: <20050311055119.8F87C8CAA4@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050311174615.1E8BF8C11A@six.pairlist.net> Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:33:06 -0600 From: Luke Pacholski Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Vocals and STP (Skill, Technique, Passion) To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" For some reason I've always heard "Eric Clapton, lead, uh vocal". Although listening again it seems like that might indeed be a "please" instead of "lead". Luke -- I've listened to this track since the 60's and I've always heard - "Eric Clapton, please, above all" - I'll need to listen closer! Stuart From gwornex at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 12:54:37 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Fri Mar 11 12:54:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] rat a tat tat Message-ID: <20050311175437.56895.qmail@web50110.mail.yahoo.com> To me it all comes down to 'phrasing' when determining whom I'm drawn to......Whether we're talking drummers, guitarists, horn players, etc....This ability to compose a musical passage in your own unique style is what separates the 'technicians' from the 'musicians' in my book.....And even with phrasing it's a matter of personal taste,,,,Some of my favorites have been EC (pre '70), Stan Getz, Frank Sinatra, saxophonist Paul Desmond, Peter Green (pre '71),Mick Taylor, early Miles Davis , Chet Atkins to name a few....As a friend once told me when describing EC's playing, it's almost like he's 'talking to you' when he plays the guitar.... That's what all of the aforementioned do to me... g.w. From AvalancheScott at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 13:42:40 2005 From: AvalancheScott at earthlink.net (Scott Peterson) Date: Fri Mar 11 13:42:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: drummer thoughts In-Reply-To: <20050311161704.2FCAC8CBC5@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: > Have to say I love Keith Moon's playing with The Who. Talk about the perfect > drummer for that band. Kenny Jones is a fine drummer but just didn't fit with > The Who. IMHO Zak Starkey does a good job for them. And Moonie was not just > one constant solo - listen to the intricacy on"Bargain" off Who's Next. EXCELLENT call. Keith's intro is absolutely fantastic: powerful yet tasteful. Possibly my single favorite Moon moment. > Just to throw another name into the drummer hat ? Carter Beauford of DMB. I > think his drumming is a very important part of their sound. Agreed. I've heard next to no DMB--maybe a total of fifteen minutes, maybe not even that--but Carter is so the man. He was one of the guys I had in mind when I said that the art of drumming is higher than it's ever been. Best, Scott Peterson AvalancheScott@earthlink.net From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Fri Mar 11 17:52:31 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Fri Mar 11 17:59:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Gadd - Gordon - Baker and drummers galore References: Message-ID: <000001c5268d$fb8838a0$fd8b29d8@Kelly> Scott wrote: >Ah, but those are two different things: who we like best and who we think >best. My two favorite drummers ever are Bill Bruford and Phil Collins, both >of whom have (or perhaps in the case of Collins, had) great technique, but >I'd never say either way the greatest drummer ever, in any genre (unless >one >considers prog rock a genre). Well personally I think Keith and Ginger are the best and Neil Peart is right up there with them. Although Neil Peart wouldn't rank in my top 10, and I hate Rush I know he's great. And, as stated before, I do like some of his work, but it's hard to listen to since I don't like the band overall. >Agreed. Another of my very favorites, and probably the single-biggest >influence on my style, along with Bill Berry, another drummer I love but >who >I'd never say was a challenger for The Greatest. I thought about Bill Berry when making that spur of the moment top 10 list. I really enjoy his drumming. > Matt Cameron (Pearl Jam, Soundgarden) >You know, never been that impressed by him. He's really good, no question, >but not nearly as good, to my ears, as whathisname, the guy from the debut >album. He also seems to have something of a Stewart Copeland fixation. >Which >isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it still strikes me every time I hear >him. And Dave Grohl's just astonishing. I don't blame him for not playing >much these days, but I sure wish he would. I must admit I didn't like him too much at first, but his style has grown on me. I prefer Jack Irons, and the drummer you are talking about is Dave Krusen. Dave Grohl is great, and he guests on Garbage's new cd plus he drummed on the Probot cd released not too long ago. > Levon Helm (The Band) >MAN! Talk about feel--that boy's got the funk in spades Levon Helm is easily at the top of my list. As you said he has funk in spades. And who doesn't love his singing? > Bill Ward (Black Sabbath) > Zak Starkey (The Who) > Art Blakey >Absolutely. Max Roach is another monster in a not-unrelated vein. Max Roach...excellent choice. Kelly ------------------ My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi From apaleias at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 18:03:51 2005 From: apaleias at yahoo.com (Andrew Paleias) Date: Fri Mar 11 18:03:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking offer In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311230351.30645.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi John I saw your post and would like to get a copy of the Woking 2004 show if its still available. I'll be glad to re-offer the disc to the group. Thanks Andy Andy Paleias 1600 S. Ocean Dr Apt 6H Hollywood. FL 33019 USA 1. Re: Woking 2004 offer (Jon Hognason) From: Jon Hognason To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:08:58 +0000 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Woking 2004 offer Thanks to the generosity of Nick Morris I can offer 5 sets of the 2 cd´s Woking 2004. Please email me with your address and I will notify the people. Jon Hognason _______________________________________________ Slowhand mailing list Slowhand@planet-torque.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Eric is on BBC tonight for Comic Relief. He has already played 'Reconsider Baby' and I hope he somes back on to play more. Did anyone see? just though I'd let everyone know. Edd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050312/cdfcce3d/attachment.html From hugo.beer at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 11 17:56:11 2005 From: hugo.beer at ntlworld.com (Hugo Beer) Date: Sat Mar 12 08:06:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Secret Concert ?? Message-ID: <000801c5268d$8670f0c0$90110350@BEER> Here's what I read in today's Daily Telegraph: ==================================================== Clapton in in Harmony with the Countryside If any shred of doubt remained, it can be confirmed that Eric Clapton is a fully paid-up member of the Establishment. Suspicions were first aroused when Clapton bought a 50 percent stake in gentleman's outfitters Cordings of Piccadilly, late last year. Then, last week, the ageing rocker was seen hobnobbing with the Queen at Buckingham Palace. Now, it can be revealed that on Tuesday night Clapton performed a secret concert at Annabel's in London, in support of the Countryside Alliance. "Although tickets were ?500 (almost $ 1000), the whole place was packed to the rafters" says my man at the bar. The audience was absolutely loving it. The Goldsmith boys were there, Robin Birley, Lucy Ferry - all the usual Annabel's crowd. Robin and Lucey are close and big supporters of the Countryside Alliance. Thanks to Clapton't recent backing, they raised a fortune". ============================================================= Well, might have to wait for the DVD to find out more about this gig Hugo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050311/865446ad/attachment-0001.html From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 11:30:20 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Sat Mar 12 11:30:22 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drummers Message-ID: <20050312163021.82508.qmail@web51509.mail.yahoo.com> I have always thought Don Brewer of Grand Funk Railroad was a very underrated drummer. And in responce to Greg's Buddy saying that its as if Clapton is talking to you through his guitar;I remember in the 70's,listening to the version of Spoonful on Wheels of Fire and his solo builds and goes up then comes down several times and it sounds as if its two people kind of talking to and responding to each other.It kind of goes back and forth and gets real expressive then mellows out then builds up again and finally comes back down and goes back in to the lyrics.Of course I was kind of high alot when I listened to it. I know its a long song to get through but listen to it closely tell me if it doesn't sound like he's having a conversation with his guitar.While your at it you can decide whether they say please or lead.I know on one song its sounds like Jack says "Eric Clapton Please" and Eric responds "Thank you Jack Bruce".Its as if they were always patting each other on the back to get crowd responce.After all they were the "Cream " of the crop. 10-4 Memphis Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050313/e024cbed/attachment.html From jamt33 at comcast.net Sat Mar 12 19:15:02 2005 From: jamt33 at comcast.net (jamt33@comcast.net) Date: Sat Mar 12 19:15:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re: the real sound bite Message-ID: <031320050015.5654.423386060003E3BC000016162205889116CCCC9B030E06@comcast.net> hi people ok here it is; this is the diffinitive sound bite-- its either jack or ginger saying: "eric clapton , please " and clapton responds, " for vocal. " as we all know he would not nor will he ever take credit for his playing at this time in his life he was just playing in the band -- its just his nature . and as for the drummers, my head hurts . i like them all , they add their own style and flavor to the over all sound of the song. imho as for guitar players -- ec taught me how to play , and i'm kind of in his corner i saw him in jersey city , he was so f**ked up ,lying on his back barely able to speak w/ freddie king blowing him away on stage people booing him because he left early-- i still stood there clapping -- loved it and laughed ,thought it was great two days later i saw him at the spectrem in philadelphia -- and he blew me away . well back to lurking and waiting for the next spirited discussion it was getting pretty boring until dk stired things up -- drummers , beatles, etc. we can count on him to bring life to this list been in the shadows for years -- going back now see ya joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050313/d0927863/attachment.html From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 05:19:18 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Sun Mar 13 05:19:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Parts of an interview with Ian Paice (Deep Purple) Message-ID: <20050313101918.78244.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found some of Ian's comments very interesting - addressing the balance of technique and feel in drummers, the individual styles etc. His comments about techo probably reflect why a lot of Slowhanders hate drum machines!! R "...one who was just starting to `cross over' into rock music was Ginger Baker who before then had been purely a jazz player. This was when Cream were happening, around '66-'67. And then, when you started listening to Ginger, of course you started listening to where Ginger was getting it from. It really started happening for me when the Beatles started making music. No matter what anybody says, they were the best group in British rock and roll. I don't know whether Ringo was a good soloist, I don't think he ever had the chance. But when you have a feel like that it really doesn't matter does it? Everything he played was dead right - and different. Nobody's ever played that wonderful `slush' hi hat thing the way he did it. It was superb - messy but exactly right! What's different now from when you started playing and how do you feel about the changes? Looking back, the freedom we had then to do so much. You're so limited in the studio now because nearly everything is dominated by click tracks.. There's this terrible criteria of having to try and match up to a machine. And for a drummer it's really difficult. You can put on any modern record you want and you can tell every fill is a square. There's no swing in it at all. No matter how good a player you are, what makes things swing is that it isn't totally strict time - it does move, it does push, it does pull. And we're having to deal with that because now we have musicians who rely on it being strict time - who actually can't play to something that moves around. If you go back to the fifties recordings and listen to things like the Little Richard band, the tempo's all over the place, but they all do it together so it doesn't matter - it just feels great. Those bands relied on the feeling of it being good - not being perfect. You can get something perfect and it just sits there like a piece of lead. You really feel then that we're too wrapped up in this perfection thing then? Definitely. We're paying now for the eighties when `Techno' started taking over and people didn't use drummers - when they started using machines with simple programming and the thing didn't budge. People got used to it, but it's not the way humans play. A `middle eight' comes - you push into it, the verse comes - you pull back, someone takes a solo - you take a breather and pull back, things get exciting - you push forward. Those things are human nature. And if you're not allowed to do that, it takes a lot of hard work to try and give the impression that you're doing it when you're not. You've got a very small, very limited, space inside the metronomic clicks, part of which is in front of the click and part of which is behind, but it's such a narrow band and you've got to try and give the impression that you're pushing into it but you're not really doing anything. It's very difficult. Is there anybody you listen to now? Well there's still a lot of innovation around but unfortunately it's not going on in rock and roll. Most of the guys playing now are going for the big sound. Its so technically generated. You don't hear any grace notes for example, all you hear is the bass drum and snare drum. They might sound great, but there's really nothing going on. It ends up making them sound like they have no technique. And also you can't tell who's playing, because when you take out those little bits, you also take away their individuality. You could always tell if it was Ginger (Baker) or John (Bonham) or Ringo (Starr) or Buddy (Rich). All those guys had their good bits and their bad bits, but they were their bits. Its a real shame for drummers. You can usually still tell guitarists from one another - you can say, `Oh that's Blackmore' or `I think that's Stevie Vai' etc. and obviously with a singer you can still do that, but with drums now it's very difficult. They're taking all the soul out of it. " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 05:27:48 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Sun Mar 13 05:27:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Bass, McCartney... Message-ID: <20050313102748.35301.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My first few years of listening to music were with transistor radios in the 60s!! Thinking about the Beatles / musicians thread, I remember when I bought Sgt Pepper (1967?) and put it on my parents' console stereo and going "Wow" - there's a new instrument there! McCartney's bass was like entering another world. I remember the same thing listening to the Beatles' "Rain" single (which I think Scott Wallneberg pointed out recently). After that, Fresh Cream, Disraeli and Wheels of Fire made regular visits to the console stereo, generating the obvious negative comments from my parents!!!! R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jonhogna at simnet.is Sun Mar 13 08:39:33 2005 From: jonhogna at simnet.is (Jon Hognason) Date: Sun Mar 13 08:39:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Woking offer In-Reply-To: <20050311055120.16EFC8CADF@six.pairlist.net> References: <20050311055120.16EFC8CADF@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <9223a08cb78312d5f521aabc28df5bef@simnet.is> Woking offer now closed. Look for others to reoffer. Jon Hognason From llt58 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 13 12:18:03 2005 From: llt58 at hotmail.com (Loraine Taylor) Date: Sun Mar 13 12:18:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Buddy Guy interview-EC references Message-ID: http://www.dailyherald.com/timeout/music.asp?intID=3842119 BUDDY CROWNED BY MARK GUARINO Daily Herald Music Critic Posted Thursday, March 10, 2005 On Monday in New York City, Buddy Guy gets inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Not that it takes a museum ceremony to legitimize his credentials. The moment the Louisiana native stepped into Chicago in 1957, he developed a guitar style that deeply influenced rock statesmen for the next decade. As the go-to guitarist at Chess Records, playing on seminal songs by Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf, then in his partnership with harp force Junior Wells and finally as a solo artist, Guy's influence on future rock guitarists - Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Stevie Ray Vaughan in particular - is immeasurable. His high, honeyed vocals, heavy, distorted guitar style and manic showmanship created an immediate link between the blues elders of the '50s and the hard-driving British rock stylists of the '60s. It was Clapton, one of Guy's most adamant admirers, who helped re-ignite his career in the early '90s, after a decade when popularity of the blues diminished and Guy could not score a record contract. After a series of well-received albums and five Grammy wins, Guy plays to new audiences, becoming the music's most recognizable ambassador across the world. At 69, he continues to make some of the best music of his career including "Blues Singer" (Silvertone), his most recent album of quiet acoustic music and, before that, "Sweet Tea" (Silvertone), a return to the raw blues of the Mississippi Hill country. Although Legends, the South Loop club he opened in 1989, is Chicago's ground zero for live blues, Guy is adamant that Chicago needs a blues museum and has lobbied the Daley administration in recent years that it needs to do something to preserve its cultural legacy. The Orland Park resident talked this week about his long career and shared memories from his days at Chess and beyond. Q. Buddy, what was going on in your head when you learned you were inducted into the hall? A. As usual, with all the rest of the awards I won, man, these awards should have been presented to the people I learned every damn thing I learned from, Son House to Little Walter to Howlin' Wolf, I could go on and on. I came into Chicago September the 25th, 1957, and that was like going to high school to get an education in the music. I didn't even plan to be a professional musician; I just wanted to see those guys do it like it was supposed to be done. And I got a chance to meet and greet and play with all of them, and now I'm left holding this torch and I'm receiving things they should have gotten long before I even thought of getting into things. Q. When you arrived in Chicago, Chess was already successful with people like Muddy Waters, bona fide stars. What was that like stepping into that scene after a life spent up to then in rural Louisiana? A. I left Baton Rouge, and Baton Rouge was like you get up and go to (expletive) work and it's work week and no party. On Friday and Saturday you party a little bit, now it's church Sunday and you're back to work again. When I came to Chicago, I thought every (expletive) day was Sunday. The Muddys, the Junior Wells, the (Little) Walters, the Earl Hookers, I could name names until this time next year and I still don't think I would run out. We had that big stockyard 24 hours a day, the steel mills 24 hours a day, I could go play a little blues club, when somebody'd recognize me I would get a little $2 or $3 a night gig. And I would get off, two o'clock in the morning, trying to catch a bus to come home and I would have to wait on the fifth bus cause it was full of people, you couldn't get on. I often tell people that when I came here, which was in September, the worst part of the year, that when I looked at the robins and all the smart birds fly South I thought, "well, I don't have as much as sense as the birds." But when I ran into (people like) Muddy Waters, I found out they were so warm I didn't get cold. Q. One of the first clubs you played was the famed 708 Club, at 47th and King Drive, a building that's still standing. A. Yeah, that building is still there, man. A stranger walked me in there and Otis (Rush) was playing there. When he took me down there, it wasn't completely freezing but it wasn't hot. And I didn't have anywhere to go and thought, "Wherever this guy's taking me is better than where I'm at," because I didn't know anything different than 47th and Lake Park. Q. So you arrived in town and almost immediately started exclusively playing alongside the major players here. A. Yeah, but I earned that. Because when I came to Chicago, most of the blues guys were kind of quiet ... I went into there trying to play loud blues and (Chess) would run me out. But Muddy found out in the clubs that I could play their stuff. In 1963, they called Muddy in to do this folk album, this acoustic album (the classic "Folk Singer"). And Leonard (Chess) told Muddy to go to Mississippi because the colleges, they wanted to put this on for college kids because they were buying it. And he set things up and I walked in and ... Muddy turned the tape on I started playing it, (Chess) said, "mother (expletive) how'd you learn that?" Q. You introduced a youthful energy they never heard before. A. Well I saw (West Side guitar ace) Magic Sam. He was really wild in Louisiana. And I saw B.B. King, T-Bone Walker, Big Joe Turner. You didn't have different names of music than what you have now. You were an R&B player regardless of what you play. So when I went into Chicago, all the guys were sitting down in chairs and playing. And I said, "You can outplay me, but you're not going to outdo me." And I started to get wild like ('50s New Orleans R&B great) Guitar Slim. And people started saying, "You need to see this wild (expletive) from Louisiana." And that's when Muddy and the Wolf started to roll in and watch me. My thing was, "pay attention to me because I want to learn from you." Q. How real was the rivalry between Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf? A. I never did see that. People told me that. I think people misunderstood that. When I come to Chicago, I didn't use profane, man. But when I went into Chess, the jazz and the blues musicians, everybody was a "mother (expletive)." When you call someone "mother (expletive)," where I come from, from Louisiana, you're like, "Okay, they're in for the fight." And I think people ... thought they didn't like each other because every time you see them, they're calling each other a "mother (expletive)." I went into Chess Records and was sitting in a corner waiting to play a session with (Little) Walter or Muddy or somebody and this voice out of the engineering room (goes), "hold it, take ten - hey you mother (expletive), you mother (expletive)," and I never looked up. And they come out of the engineer room and punched me on the shoulder and said, "Hey, I'm talking to you, mother (expletive)." And I go, "Well, I didn't know that was my name." And pretty soon I started answering when they called me "mother (expletive)." Q. You got hazed into the club. You recorded many albums with Junior Wells, creating one of the best partnerships in the blues. Why do you think both of you worked so well together? A. When I arrived, Junior and I was more closer (in) age than the rest of them. Muddy and Wolf were like, "You are my children." Junior took Little Walter's place in Muddy's band. I also knew Junior always had a hard time with a band. In 1970, we were invited to open the shows for the Rolling Stones throughout Europe. He had problem with his band. I had good rhythm section and we had the same management, Dick Waterman, which was Bonnie Raitt's boyfriend at the time. And I told (Waterman), "I've got a tight rhythm section and Junior can't fire my band, so put him with me and we'll do the tours with the Rolling Stones." Q. Did you guys get along particularly well? A. I heard a lot of times, me and him didn't get along. Because I had to call him a "mother (expletive)" and he called me and people would say, "they don't like one other." Same thing with Wolf and Muddy. And we would go back and laugh about it. Good thing they made this movie about Ray Charles and they weren't using the profane because every time you saw him, that's the way he was. All musicians were like that, the jazz cats too. We would go listen to them and that's what it was: "Hey, mother (expletive)." It was never "hey Buddy Guy" Q. You show up in "Festival Express," last year's documentary film about the famous 1970 train tour featuring the major '60s icons - the Grateful Dead, The Band, Janis Joplin - and yourself. What was that like as one of the first blues singers to share bills with what were then bands that represented an entirely new musical culture? A. It was so wild and crazy, so many beautiful people back then. After the war in Vietnam, so many kids were marching and protesting and a lot of people were smoking their weed - I never did get into that, I always did have my little drink, because I still have stage fright - but it was so much fun. When I first went into San Francisco, that's when I started realizing the white audience was listening to (the blues). I thought, "What the hell is this? A white person asking me to play a B.B. King or Muddy Waters record? I didn't think you guys knew anything about that!" Then there was that Jerry Garcia and Janis Joplin and I thought, "Wait a minute, these people know more about me than I do my (expletive) self." Q. You were closer to their age than elders like Muddy. A. Well, I was a little wild. I learned that from Guitar Slim. I didn't know what damn else to do. I was just trying to get attention. I didn't come to town and say, "I'm going to learn this from somebody from Chicago." I had that when I came here because I saw Guitar Slim do it. Q. I've often thought that, in the '60s, it must have been strange for the Chicago blues players, who were playing mostly on the South and West Sides, to suddenly hear what they were doing being replicated by young rock musicians from England. How did that connection between Chicago and London strike you at the time? A. First thing was, when I was there at Chess, I would turn my amp up with distortion. And that's all we had, we didn't have the special effects you had now. And they would run me out. I didn't hear it coming from England then, because my thing was listening to (Little) Walter, Muddy Waters, T-Bone (Walker) and B.B. King. Then all of the sudden, Willie Dixon came to house and said, "Leonard Chess wants to see you." And I was making $20, $30 whenever I would play to pay for my little kitchenette. But I had never been in (Chess') office and Dixon told me to put on a suit. And I thought, "Well, I guess this is the end of my sessions at Chess, I guess they got tired of my playing," because they would never give me an album or nothing like that. And when I walked in, Leonard Chess bent over and said "I want you to kick me in the ass." And I thought, "Well, this sounds good to me," but I said, "What do you mean?" I think Cream had come out with the guitar loud, and Chess said this "mother (expletive) you wanted us to listen to is selling like hot (expletive) cake and we were too (expletive) dumb to listen to you!" And when I met Eric (Clapton), I said, "You came up with new (expletive)" and he said, "No I haven't. This is yours." And he said, "Everything Gonna Be Alright" is (Cream's) "Strange Brew." And I said, "Well, I'll be damned." And that's what I've been trying to do, just turn it up and let it ring. It was like a horse - (Chess) had a bit in my mouth, wouldn't let me run. Q. Clapton returned the favor in the '90s after a period of time you couldn't even get a record contract. A. First of all, (Clapton) was doing every February in (London's) Royal Albert Hall three weeks at a time (captured on the 1991 album "21 Nights"). And he invited me there two weeks in a row. The first year I was doing pretty well, I was doing Muddy Waters stuff and getting standing ovations. And a guy approached me and said, "I'll sign you to a record deal." And the first thing on my mind was "oh (expletive), I have to pull a Jimi Hendrix now." Because Hendrix had to leave New York and go over there because they were running him away because all the effects, the wah-wah, nobody wanted to hear that here. I had just opened Legends on June 9, 1989. I signed that contract in Legends then went to England and made the best record I ever made, "Damn Right I Got the Blues" (on Silvertone, from 1991). The next thing I knew, I was interviewed more than I had ever been interviewed in my life. I thought, "damn, maybe I should move to England." But I kept saying, "I'm not going to leave here. Because I was born and raised here, it can be done. If I can do it there, I should be able to do it here." Q. What's the status with Legends? I know your neighbor, Columbia College, wants you to move because it owns your building. But you just purchased the lot next door and there's been rumors of a land swap. A. I think I'm going to stay where I'm at. I have a good relationship with the college. I bought the lot over there next to the college. And it's just switching lots. To be honest with you, clubs don't make a lot of money. If they close that club, where's the next Eric Clapton going to come from? You're not going to drive the street in Chicago and find the next young lady or young man playing in their house and say, "wow." You have to have a blues club. Just like when I was walking down the street with the 708 Club, the Theresa's, the Zanzibars, that's how they found 'em. That's my purpose for keeping the club. From dhassert at optonline.net Sun Mar 13 12:40:36 2005 From: dhassert at optonline.net (David L. Hassert) Date: Sun Mar 13 12:40:37 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hubert Sumlin sits in With The Allman Brothers Band Message-ID: <000501c527f3$c3fcfbc0$8502a8c0@Familyroom> Went to see the Allman Brothers @ The Beacon last night and Hubert Sumlin sat in on a familiar tune. . See setlist below. This is a band that gets better with age. If you get the chance I highly recommend catching them @ the Beacon. Dave 3/12/05 The Beacon Set 1: Revival Leave my blues at home Done Somebody Wrong Hot lanta Just ain't Easy End of line 44 Blues1 Smokestack lightning1 Instrumental Illness Set 2: Oncoming traffic (Gregg on Grand Piano) Delta Blue These Days (Gregg and Warren Acoustic) Preachin' Blues (Warren and Derek) Soulshine Dreams2 Rockin' Horse>Drums> No One Left To Run With Encore:One Way Out 1w/Hubert Sumlin 2w/Jay Collins - Sax From markgpowell at btinternet.com Sun Mar 13 12:58:13 2005 From: markgpowell at btinternet.com (MARK POWELL) Date: Sun Mar 13 12:58:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking CD's offer Message-ID: <20050313175813.89911.qmail@web86505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Jenny, Would love a copy of the Woking Set. Regards, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From markgpowell at btinternet.com Sun Mar 13 13:11:48 2005 From: markgpowell at btinternet.com (MARK POWELL) Date: Sun Mar 13 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD Message-ID: <20050313181148.5479.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, Do you still have the Paris 2004 dvd recordings to give away? Regards, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050313/c57ea338/attachment.html From markgpowell at btinternet.com Sun Mar 13 13:15:10 2005 From: markgpowell at btinternet.com (MARK POWELL) Date: Sun Mar 13 13:15:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD Message-ID: <20050313181510.3118.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Bjorn Do you still have the Paris 2004 DVD available? Regards, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050313/de3628ea/attachment.html From peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com Sun Mar 13 13:19:03 2005 From: peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com (An English Boy) Date: Sun Mar 13 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drummers In-Reply-To: <20050313171502.3941E8C787@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Some o' me fav's, in no particular order, are: ================================== Simon Phillips ~ Jeff Beck, Townshend, Jack Bruce, The Who->, and many more.... Carl Palmer ~ ELP, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster, Asia and more ..... Keith Moon ~ The Who->, Jeff Beck Ginger Baker ~ Cream, Blind Faith, Graham Bond, Air Force, and millions more.... Charlie Watts ~ the rolling stones* and many many more.... Richard Starkey ~ The BeaTles and many many many more.... Ritchie Hayward ~ Little Fear.... ('nuff said) Matt Abts ~ Gov't Mule.... B.J. Wilson ~ Procol Harum.... Jim Capaldi ~ Traffic & more.... Billy Cobham ~ ('nuff said).... Mick Avory ~ The Kinks.... Cozy Powell ~ Jeff Beck, Jack Bruce, Peter Green & millions more .... Ansley Dunbar ~ Jeff Beck. John Mayall w/Peter Green & millions more.... Mickey Waller ~ Jeff Beck, early solo Rod Stewart.... Narada Michael Walden ~ Jeff Beck (Wired).... Richard Bailey ~ Jeff Beck (Blow By Blow & Wired)..... Jan Hammer ~ Jeff Beck (Wired, There & Back).... Jim Gordon ~ ('nuff said).... Jim McCarty ~ The Yardbirds.... Mitch Mitchell ~ Jimi Hendrix Experience.... Ringo's Boy Zak ~ The Who-> (sitting in Moonie's seat must be the hardest job on earth and Zak does it very _very_well).... Buddy Miles ~ Electric Flag, Band of Gypsies and many more.... Levon Helm ~ The Band, Bob Dylan From sjegou at free.fr Sun Mar 13 13:54:42 2005 From: sjegou at free.fr (=?us-ascii?Q?Sebastien_JEGOU?=) Date: Sun Mar 13 13:55:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Comic Relief, Say What You Will and Hall of Fame: News from WE! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any pics of the show ? Seb -----Message d'origine----- De : whereseric@optonline.net [mailto:whereseric@optonline.net] Envoye : dimanche 13 mars 2005 18:59 A : Slowhand Digest Objet : [Slowhand] Comic Relief,Say What You Will and Hall of Fame: News from WE! Hello everyone... The whereseric.com site was updated this morning regarding Eric's appearance on BBC1 Friday night. There is also extensive info about his new song, "Say You What You Will", which was released in Japan on 9 March. Don't forget to check out the wesite around 10AM GMT on Tuesday for news from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. Eric and B.B. King will be honoring Buddy Guy! Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From llt58 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 13 15:45:38 2005 From: llt58 at hotmail.com (Loraine Taylor) Date: Sun Mar 13 15:45:40 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC in Rolex print ad Message-ID: Here's the link to it: http://www.rolex.com/ambassadors/arts/eric-clapton.html From JEngel2000 at cableone.net Sun Mar 13 21:59:59 2005 From: JEngel2000 at cableone.net (Jeff Engelmann) Date: Sun Mar 13 22:03:39 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Drummers Message-ID: <002b01c52841$e92c3160$6400a8c0@computer> I liked the drummer on Mayall's Turning Point album. Very understated. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just in case she was agreeable, I brought a couple of good photos i had of the sax player from Buddy's band when they were in town this past September that i thought he might like to have. Since it was a snowy nite, we valet parked. Good thing, otherwise i wouldn't have seen where Buddy's tour bus was located at the back of the venue. We placed our order, and wifey said she would be up for going to the show. Therefore, i ducked out to get tickets before our meal came. When i got to the ticket window, a sign was posted that said "sold out" (there were still tickets available the day before when i called, and the venue holds 1200 people)!! Crestfallen, i went to the merchandise table and asked the seller if he knew of a way i could at least get the pictures i had for the sax player to him. He told me to ask for Buddy's road manager, who would have to be summoned from backstage. Instead, we just went back to the bus dock to find him ourselves. A few fans were already back there hoping to get a guitar signed by Buddy, but no one was on the bus, so they left. Tracy and I went back behind the bus anyways and found 2 doors to the back of the venue, one of which was unlocked. There was a metal detector to walk through, but no security guard. The opening band was finishing up their set. We asked a couple people hanging out by the dressing rooms if they knew where the road manger was, but nobody knew. Security finally came, so I explained the situation. As they were about to kick us out, the road manager came around the corner. He looked us up and down, figured we were harmless, and went and got the sax player. I gave him (Jay Monagle) his pictures, thanked him for taking the time to meet us, and asked if there was any way he could get us in the show since it was sold out. In 5 minutes, we had "all access" backstage passes and watched the show from the side of the stage behind the soundboard!! As Buddy came out of the dressing room, I congratulated him on his upcoming induction into the rock hall of fame. He smiled with his big grin and said, "Thank you. Better late than never." There was a great photo opportunity as he held his guitar in the darkness with his head down, fedora hat on his head, and a single amber light above him, awaiting his announcement to hit the stage. Unfortunately, I didn't bring my good camera since house of blues venues are notorious for taking cameras, and my wife's cell phone camera is a joke. He went out and played a blistering set, dressed in tailored fabric overalls. He seemed to have a great time, and there were many highlights. He left the stage and played through the crowd as he usually does, did his historical copies of clapton, hendrix, et al, and mentioned that everyone he learned the blues from should have been inducted into the rock hall instead of him. We went to the other side of the stage where his guitar technician was working. It was cool to see all buddy's vintage guitars up close. We got a couple of halfway decent pictures from there of the guitars and of Buddy. The tech was also the man responsible for keeping the coffee cup full of Crown Royal. To my surprise, he just finished pouring out the last portion from a bottle, and threw the bottle in the garbage. I went back after the show to the trash can for a one-of-a-kind souvenier for my basement rock-themed bar, but the trash was already taken out. After the show, Buddy was put in a winter coat and whisked out of the venue to a waiting car, as the band finished the last song on stage. Jay (the sax player) invited us back to the dressing room for some drinks and small talk with the rest of the band, who to a man, are all great players and people. After about a half hour, we again thanked Jay for his hospitality, and bid him farewell and good luck the rest of the tour. Out, Sambo8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20050312171502.CC8618D035@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: From: mike petrilli And in responce to Greg's Buddy saying that its as if Clapton is talking to you through his guitar;I remember in the 70's,listening to the version of Spoonful on Wheels of Fire and his solo  builds and goes up then comes down several times and it sounds as if its two people kind of talking to and responding to each other.It kind of goes back and forth and gets real expressive then mellows out then builds up again and finally comes back down and goes back in to the lyrics.Of course I was kind of high alot when I listened to it.    I know its a long song to get through but listen to it closely tell me if it doesn't sound like he's having a conversation with his guitar. ==== I've never thought of "Spoonful" from WOF as a long song....songs are as long as deemed necessary by the writer, performer/interpreter and/or the listening audience, which reminds me of something Carl Palmer once said in the early 80s: "We're making fast food music for a fast food audience who doesn't have time to listen to our music.....they have to go to our concerts to hear that." (approximated quote) I personally think some songs take longer to develope their groove than most fast food music takes in whole. I'll take Clapton's rise and fall, call and answer, climb and then dive bomb playing on "Spoonful" over 99% of what he, or any other artist has played since WOF was released in 1968. I care not for fast food anything......... Lew Campbell~ PS~ Roel...I need your email address! From peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 00:23:47 2005 From: peter_dennis_blandford_townshend at hotmail.com (An English Boy) Date: Mon Mar 14 00:23:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] We do NOT discuss horn players.... In-Reply-To: <20050311161704.62AC78CD27@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: From: DeltaNick We've discussed guitarists, bassists, keyboard players, percussionists, and now drummers. But note that we do NOT discuss horn players. Not that I want to, but I think it kind of emphasizes a point I made several days ago ...                   DeltaNick ==== A recent Saturday night browse through "The Last Record Store" in downtown Santa Rosa CA produced some very wonderful results for me..... About 35 years ago I attended, two nights back to back, a concert that was released on a two record set, came and went in the blink of an eye (I've never even see a second copy of the vinyl to purchase a back up) and had yet to be seen on CD...until....... The Paul Butterfield Blues Band LIVE, recorded over those same two nights in 1970, now 2 disc CD set containing the compleat show, was stumbled upon by yours truly...and it is truly amazing.... The horn section is the tightest I have ever heard, played without written charts and featured the young David Sanborn on saxophone, along with Trevor Lawrence, Steve Madaio and Gene Dinwiddie....together making the most incredible horn section I have ever heard on wax! The liner notes, however, set up the whole show with the observation that contained within are two of the greatest harmonica solos ever recorded....the first on the opening track..."Everything's Gonna Be Alright!" written by Little Walter. No, there is no Bloomfield nor Bishop on board, and true, this band leans more toward a jazzy and R&B groove, but it is the tightest, fattest and most beautifully harmonica driven blues to come my way at the time of its performance, and in its reliving the past 3 weeks. Nick, trust me, these horns are worth talking about! Lew Campbell~ From scottw at racerxill.com Mon Mar 14 00:39:07 2005 From: scottw at racerxill.com (Scott Wallenberg) Date: Mon Mar 14 00:39:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] drummers Message-ID: <02d501c52858$281512f0$08d46e45@youro0kwkw9jwc> Hard to beleive no one has mentioned the pioneers of the two drum sound..the Allman Brothers Band's Butch Trucks and Jaimo. What a sound!! Personally I think the combo of Duck Dunn on Bass and Oldaker on drums is as potent a rhythm section as you can get. Just relisten to Further On Up the Road as the encore in 83 and 85 with those two. Talk about swing! Radle Gordon is another incredible combo. Gadd does not do much for me when it comes to EC's music.... Scott From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 04:22:29 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Mon Mar 14 04:22:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The Turning Point Message-ID: I liked the drummer on Mayall's Turning Point album. Very understated. Jeff Jeff, I always loved the drumming on this album as well and felt it was a shame that Mayall didn't credit him. As you say very understated. So intrigued was I that I researched extensively, and this is all I could find. 1. His name is Osgood 'Potbelly' Conklin, and because of contractual reasons (still signed to an old acappela doo-wop label) couldn't be credited. 2. He played drums on Dylan's first album. 3. He first met Mayall in 65 and guested on the Purdah single, again uncredited. And as far as I know Clapton has only played with him once, on the above session. I'd love to know if he is still drumming, or for that matter still alive. He'd have to be close to 75 now. Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Mar 14 05:40:53 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Mon Mar 14 05:41:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Drummers Message-ID: <001501c52882$4dd01830$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I always loved the drumming on this album as well and felt it was a shame >> that Mayall didn't credit him. As you say very understated. So >> intrigued was I that I researched extensively, and this is all I could >> find. 1. His name is Osgood 'Potbelly' Conklin, and because of >> contractual reasons (still signed to an old acappela doo-wop label) >> couldn't be credited. 2. He played drums on Dylan's first album. 3. He >> first met Mayall in 65 and guested on the Purdah single, again >> uncredited. And as far as I know Clapton has only played with him once, >> on the above session. I'd love to know if he is still drumming, or for >> that matter still alive. He'd have to be close to 75 now. << You'll be glad to know that Conklin is still playing and in good health. Although he's not one to show his face in public, I think he recently performed with Roger Waters and Eric Clapton on their "Wish You Were Here" performance for tsunami victims. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail - Jetzt mit 250MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From ziggo820 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 13:01:50 2005 From: ziggo820 at yahoo.com (mike petrilli) Date: Mon Mar 14 13:01:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Lew Cambell and fast food listening Message-ID: <20050314180151.631.qmail@web51503.mail.yahoo.com> Whats your point? The story had had nothing to do with the length of the song. You must be a fast food reader. ziggo820 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DeltaNick ----- Nobody Asked Me March 14, 2005 A Fifth Beatle’s Autumn Years It’s been a while since I talked about Eric Clapton, one of the most prominent “Fifth Beatles” remaining on the musical landscape. Since my modus operandi here at The 910 has always been to talk about things we should support and buy, rather than disparage and ignore, there’s been nothing really to talk about as “Slowhand” has gotten increasingly slower. But in the last 12 months or so, Clapton, once among the greatest of all blues rock guitarists, has moved ever more irrelevant and weaker, and using his career’s autumn years to wallow in such decay that a look at how a legend can evaporate is in order. So what’s he been up to? ME AND MR. JOHNSON Reprise 48423-2 Last spring, Clapton’s first studio album since 2001 appeared. Long an acolyte of the legendary blues-god Robert Johnson, he decided to create a “tribute” to his hero. Knowing how devoted Clapton was to this music, I was shocked to hear the world's most spooky, raw blues songs rendered into a nice, suburban, Disney-safe format...as if Clapton had never even heard these songs before and is reading them off a song sheet. “Me and Mr. Johnson” could have been expected to bring Clapton out of his MOR funk, to bring back the roar in his muse. But sadly, it’s the work of a toothless lion. If one would expect Clapton to fire up his Stratocaster on this disc, think again. While the arrangements are largely “electric” (as opposed to the music’s raw Delta style), there’s no electricity in Clapton’s rudimentary playing. Worse yet, for his vocals Clapton affects a “black” style, using cheesy “black” cliches to punctuate the songs. Never in his career has Clapton ever pretended to be something he is not, but for this he’s gone shockingly blackface. And Clapton’s crack band is obviously confused or distracted by their leader as well. Other than Billy Preston (who has the best and most inspired moments on the disc), the band just strolls through the park on each track, providing no drive or power to the proceedings. This album was a cotton-candy tribute that, in reality, disrespected the greatest blues songs ever written. “Me and Mr. Johnson” is hardly an appropriate title for this corpse, since Mr. Johnson is nowhere to be found on the disc. Among the titles I thought better for this would’ve been: "Amos and Andy and Mr. Johnson" "Robert Johnson for Dummies" "Eric Clapton's Delta Blues Minstrel Show" "Robert Johnson Lite - All the Tunes With None of the Blues" "Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Robert Johnson" Amazingly, and sadly, it’s one of the rare albums that gets worse the more times you listen to it. Thankfully, I suppose, few but the faithful ever did. Chart action was quick in and out. 2004 World Tour – March-July While he claimed at the time of his 2001 world tour that he was done with such efforts, Clapton staged a massive trek for 2004. There was a difference this time – his band was a more compact and gritty ensemble; less on the sheen, more on the bomp. His mainstays of the slick Nate East (bass) and Steve Gadd (drums) were present, but the keyboards were handled by Billy Preston and Chris Stainton, and the second guitar was chaired by Texan gunslinger Doyle Bramhall III. Like it really mattered. Ostensibly in support of “Mr. Johnson”, the show was generally Lite-FM. A selection of tunes from the Johnson album appeared in the middle of the show, and were – surprisingly – far sharper and aggressive than found on the CD. On some nights, Clapton got a head of steam up and played guitar like the legend he’s supposed to be. But most nights, he settled into cliché and moderation, offering predictable solos with apparent disinterest. The bulk of the setlist was peppered with nice MOR album tracks and obligatory “classics”. Outside of the Johnson tunes, he included exactly one blues song, a quick and meaningless read of “Have You Ever Loved A Woman”. For most stops on the tour, the proceedings had the feel of a Ringo Starr All Starr Band show – commercial, programmed, and sadly pointless. Interestingly, for an artist who generally sells-out every night, plenty of open seats could be seen at most dates. More interestingly, his opening act, the marvelous Robert Rudolph and the Family Band, garnered the most excitement from the crowds – deservingly so. This trip out in public for Clapton had a sad feel of an obligation, and rarely caught fire…until… -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050314/ba735256/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Mar 14 21:46:47 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Mon Mar 14 21:46:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Nobody Asked Me (Part 2) Message-ID: <009201c52909$3d32efc0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> THE CROSSROADS GUITAR FESTIVAL June 4-6, 2004 - Cotton Bowl, Dallas, TX Excerpts available on DVD Reprise R2 970378 To his credit, Clapton has long been an active crusader in assisting those with substance abuse. With his own money, as well as funds acquired from auctioning his prized guitar collection, he’s built and maintained the Crossroads Centre, an addiction treatment facility on the island of Antigua. In early June, he staged a massive festival in Dallas to raise additional funds for his facility. Over three days in the blazing Texas sun, a remarkable array of guitarists took the stage, including Robert Cray, B.B. King, Buddy Guy, Vince Gill, John McLaughlin, Joe Walsh and numerous others, including some less-stellar but legendary players such as Hubert Sumlin, Robert Lockwood, Jr. and David “Honeyboy” Edwards. While Clapton and his band gave a predictable concert, the occasions where he sat in with many of the other acts was actually remarkable and stirring. On the second day, an “All-Star Blues Jam” was staged, and here the sparks flew. Standing among Cray, King, Guy, Sumlin as well as Jimmie Vaughan, Clapton stalked the stage of the Cotton Bowl as if nestled in a tiny blues club. Time after time, as the guitarists swapped solo spots, Clapton reared back and bent and tore his strings as if he was 20, rather than nearly 60, years old. Maybe being surrounded by musicians who have not lost their muse nor forgotten the mission of the blues brings the best out of Clapton. Because when the opening riff of “Killing Floor” kicked off, Clapton, standing in the back, was a swaying and bopping Bluesbreaker once again, respectful of his elders and reaching towards their greatness. No cliches here by Slowhand. His solos were fiery and lyrical, almost like songs of their own. When swapping leads with Buddy Guy, he was daring and incendiary. And when he wasn’t soloing, he’d be ripping off solid and genuine houserocking lead patterns, almost like a horn section. But at all times for this set, he returned to his roots in dedicated and authentic fashion, as if to remind the audience he still is the best there is, the best there ever was. Or perhaps for a brief moment, to himself. SESSIONS FOR ROBERT J CD and DVD set Reprise 48926-2 I have a theory about this follow-up album that appeared in late 2004. With Warner Music now an independent label seeking to control their overhead, rumors are floating that less-profitable acts might be on the chopping block. Given that Clapton hasn’t had a hit CD in ages, his tenure with Warner’s Reprise imprint might finally be limping to a conclusion. How else does one view this thrown together package other than as a contract fulfillment project? One part extended EPK for the “Mr. Johnson” CD, one part made-for-TV documentary, and one part bloated bonus disc, “Sessions” is almost worse than its predecessor. The DVD is a program that stages “rehearsals” for the world tour, in controlled and antiseptic surroundings at first, and concocted historical settings at the end. Ostensibly Clapton tries to explain his devotion to the music and legend of Robert Johnson but comes off like a goofy old uncle re-telling old stories he’s told a thousand times before. But it’s the music performances that are the most tragic to watch. While listening to the original “Johnson” CD was sad enough, watching Clapton and his band limping through this material, like crippled old men, is truly disquieting. Again, only Billy Preston – who’s actually on death’s door himself – engages any level of spirit and enthusiasm for the material; the rest of the band appears like they’re just watching the clock. The settings range from a studio setting to the supposed actual locations of the Robert Johnson historical recordings. No matter – being surrounded by the ghost of Robert Johnson does nothing to inspire Clapton beyond rote readings of the grisly specter’s greatest work. Cream – Reunion? Late in 2004, it was announced that Cream, the original power trio of Clapton, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker, were to re-group for a series of concerts sometime in 2005. Their last reunion in 1994 was a fairly weak affair, unsurprisingly because the power of Cream came from the youthful abandon that the three musicians brought to the table. But as old men, their raison d’être was naturally gone, and with it the glory of Cream. So, with the three old men now ten years older (and Jack Bruce just returning from death’s door last year), this can be expected to be no more than a cute oldies show, geezers pretending to be earth-rattlers, and a exercise only to generate money for Bruce and Baker. “Wheelchairs of Fire,” if you will. * * * * So, who is Eric Clapton anymore? And does he even care? Clearly, his actual skills haven’t diminished in the slightest. But his muse has gone unfocused, his intents are unclear, and his work devoid of meaning if not worth. Can this career be saved? Time will tell, but if Robert Johnson can’t light his fire, a fire that always burned deep in his soul, perhaps his devotion now is to a safe comfortable place of Lite-FM and commercial reward. With Clapton now a shill for SBC services, it may take something fiery than Robert Johnson to save his soul. God knows what that is. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050314/a8dbacbb/attachment-0001.html From crumplers at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 22:49:50 2005 From: crumplers at sbcglobal.net (Lucky and Alice Crumpler) Date: Mon Mar 14 22:50:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 168 References: <20050315024702.293648D05A@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <001601c52912$0b184fe0$1502a8c0@Selma> The writer quoted by DN said regarding the Crossroads Festival: "While Clapton and his band gave a predictable concert, the occasions where he sat in with many of the other acts was actually remarkable and stirring. On the second day, an "All-Star Blues Jam" was staged, and here the sparks flew. Standing among Cray, King, Guy, Sumlin as well as Jimmie Vaughan, Clapton stalked the stage of the Cotton Bowl as if nestled in a tiny blues club. Time after time, as the guitarists swapped solo spots, Clapton reared back and bent and tore his strings as if he was 20, rather than nearly 60, years old." It may be nit-picking, but if you are going to criticize others you should attempt to be accurate. The second day (Saturday) "All-Star Blues Jam" was not in the Cotton Bowl, but on a small stage between exhibit halls on the fairgrounds. Moreover, BB King was not there. BB was part of the blues jam on the final day (Sunday), in the Cotton Bowl, but EC sat for this performance. I agree that EC wailed during the Saturday night jam. When Buddy Guy first came out, EC seemed inspired and made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. But, Buddy seemed to want to goof around more than play, so the magic moment faded quickly. As I said, these are small points, but if someone doesn't correct them now, they could become part of EC 'lore' that never happened. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 168 > Send Slowhand mailing list submissions to > slowhand@planet-torque.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slowhand-request@planet-torque.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slowhand-owner@planet-torque.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Slowhand digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Lew Cambell and fast food listening (mike petrilli) > 2. Crossroads talk (Greg Wenker) > 3. Nobody Asked Me (Part 1) (DeltaNick) > 4. Nobody Asked Me (Part 2) (DeltaNick) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:01:50 -0800 (PST) > From: mike petrilli > Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Lew Cambell and fast food listening > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Message-ID: <20050314180151.631.qmail@web51503.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Whats your point? The story had had nothing to do with the length of the song. You must be a fast food reader. > > ziggo820 > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050314/a77acd10/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:51:14 -0800 (PST) > From: Greg Wenker > Subject: [Slowhand] Crossroads talk > To: slowhand > Message-ID: <20050314205114.76478.qmail@web50107.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I always thought Ginger said' Eric Clapton > sneezed....on a local' at the end of > 'Crossroads'.....Guess I better replace my LP.... > > g.w. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:45:42 -0500 > From: "DeltaNick" > Subject: [Slowhand] Nobody Asked Me (Part 1) > To: "Slowhand Digest" > Message-ID: <008a01c52909$167be530$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" > > The below is NOT my product. However, it is from the Beatles periodic > newsletter called "The 910." It is reproduced here with permission of the > author, a former subscriber to the Slowhand Digest. > > DeltaNick > > ----- > Nobody Asked Me > March 14, 2005 > > > > A Fifth Beatle's Autumn Years > > > It's been a while since I talked about Eric Clapton, one of the most > prominent "Fifth Beatles" remaining on the musical landscape. Since my > modus operandi here at The 910 has always been to talk about things we > should support and buy, rather than disparage and ignore, there's been > nothing really to talk about as "Slowhand" has gotten increasingly slower. > But in the last 12 months or so, Clapton, once among the greatest of all > blues rock guitarists, has moved ever more irrelevant and weaker, and using > his career's autumn years to wallow in such decay that a look at how a > legend can evaporate is in order. > > > > So what's he been up to? > > > > ME AND MR. JOHNSON > Reprise 48423-2 > > > > Last spring, Clapton's first studio album since 2001 appeared. Long an > acolyte of the legendary blues-god Robert Johnson, he decided to create a > "tribute" to his hero. > > > > Knowing how devoted Clapton was to this music, I was shocked to hear the > world's most spooky, raw blues songs rendered into a nice, suburban, > Disney-safe format...as if Clapton had never even heard these songs before > and is reading them off a song sheet. "Me and Mr. Johnson" could have been > expected to bring Clapton out of his MOR funk, to bring back the roar in his > muse. But sadly, it's the work of a toothless lion. If one would expect > Clapton to fire up his Stratocaster on this disc, think again. While the > arrangements are largely "electric" (as opposed to the music's raw Delta > style), there's no electricity in Clapton's rudimentary playing. Worse yet, > for his vocals Clapton affects a "black" style, using cheesy "black" cliches > to punctuate the songs. Never in his career has Clapton ever pretended to > be something he is not, but for this he's gone shockingly blackface. And > Clapton's crack band is obviously confused or distracted by their leader as > well. Other than Billy Preston (who has the best and most inspired moments > on the disc), the band just strolls through the park on each track, > providing no drive or power to the proceedings. > > > > This album was a cotton-candy tribute that, in reality, disrespected the > greatest blues songs ever written. "Me and Mr. Johnson" is hardly an > appropriate title for this corpse, since Mr. Johnson is nowhere to be found > on the disc. Among the titles I thought better for this would've been: > > "Amos and Andy and Mr. Johnson" > "Robert Johnson for Dummies" > "Eric Clapton's Delta Blues Minstrel Show" > "Robert Johnson Lite - All the Tunes With None of the Blues" > "Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Robert Johnson" > > > > Amazingly, and sadly, it's one of the rare albums that gets worse the more > times you listen to it. Thankfully, I suppose, few but the faithful ever > did. Chart action was quick in and out. > > > > 2004 World Tour - March-July > > > While he claimed at the time of his 2001 world tour that he was done with > such efforts, Clapton staged a massive trek for 2004. There was a > difference this time - his band was a more compact and gritty ensemble; less > on the sheen, more on the bomp. His mainstays of the slick Nate East (bass) > and Steve Gadd (drums) were present, but the keyboards were handled by Billy > Preston and Chris Stainton, and the second guitar was chaired by Texan > gunslinger Doyle Bramhall III. Like it really mattered. > > Ostensibly in support of "Mr. Johnson", the show was generally Lite-FM. A > selection of tunes from the Johnson album appeared in the middle of the > show, and were - surprisingly - far sharper and aggressive than found on the > CD. On some nights, Clapton got a head of steam up and played guitar like > the legend he's supposed to be. But most nights, he settled into clich? and > moderation, offering predictable solos with apparent disinterest. The bulk > of the setlist was peppered with nice MOR album tracks and obligatory > "classics". Outside of the Johnson tunes, he included exactly one blues > song, a quick and meaningless read of "Have You Ever Loved A Woman". For > most stops on the tour, the proceedings had the feel of a Ringo Starr All > Starr Band show - commercial, programmed, and sadly pointless. > Interestingly, for an artist who generally sells-out every night, plenty of > open seats could be seen at most dates. More interestingly, his opening > act, the marvelous Robert Rudolph and the Family Band, garnered the most > excitement from the crowds - deservingly so. > > > > This trip out in public for Clapton had a sad feel of an obligation, and > rarely caught fire.until. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050314/ba735256/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:46:47 -0500 > From: "DeltaNick" > Subject: [Slowhand] Nobody Asked Me (Part 2) > To: "Slowhand Digest" > Message-ID: <009201c52909$3d32efc0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" > > THE CROSSROADS GUITAR FESTIVAL > June 4-6, 2004 - Cotton Bowl, Dallas, TX > > Excerpts available on DVD > > Reprise R2 970378 > > > To his credit, Clapton has long been an active crusader in assisting those > with substance abuse. With his own money, as well as funds acquired from > auctioning his prized guitar collection, he's built and maintained the > Crossroads Centre, an addiction treatment facility on the island of Antigua. > > > > In early June, he staged a massive festival in Dallas to raise additional > funds for his facility. Over three days in the blazing Texas sun, a > remarkable array of guitarists took the stage, including Robert Cray, B.B. > King, Buddy Guy, Vince Gill, John McLaughlin, Joe Walsh and numerous others, > including some less-stellar but legendary players such as Hubert Sumlin, > Robert Lockwood, Jr. and David "Honeyboy" Edwards. > > > > While Clapton and his band gave a predictable concert, the occasions where > he sat in with many of the other acts was actually remarkable and stirring. > On the second day, an "All-Star Blues Jam" was staged, and here the sparks > flew. Standing among Cray, King, Guy, Sumlin as well as Jimmie Vaughan, > Clapton stalked the stage of the Cotton Bowl as if nestled in a tiny blues > club. Time after time, as the guitarists swapped solo spots, Clapton reared > back and bent and tore his strings as if he was 20, rather than nearly 60, > years old. Maybe being surrounded by musicians who have not lost their muse > nor forgotten the mission of the blues brings the best out of Clapton. > Because when the opening riff of "Killing Floor" kicked off, Clapton, > standing in the back, was a swaying and bopping Bluesbreaker once again, > respectful of his elders and reaching towards their greatness. No cliches > here by Slowhand. His solos were fiery and lyrical, almost like songs of > their own. When swapping leads with Buddy Guy, he was daring and > incendiary. And when he wasn't soloing, he'd be ripping off solid and > genuine houserocking lead patterns, almost like a horn section. But at all > times for this set, he returned to his roots in dedicated and authentic > fashion, as if to remind the audience he still is the best there is, the > best there ever was. Or perhaps for a brief moment, to himself. > > > > SESSIONS FOR ROBERT J > CD and DVD set > > Reprise 48926-2 > > > I have a theory about this follow-up album that appeared in late 2004. With > Warner Music now an independent label seeking to control their overhead, > rumors are floating that less-profitable acts might be on the chopping > block. Given that Clapton hasn't had a hit CD in ages, his tenure with > Warner's Reprise imprint might finally be limping to a conclusion. > > > > How else does one view this thrown together package other than as a contract > fulfillment project? One part extended EPK for the "Mr. Johnson" CD, one > part made-for-TV documentary, and one part bloated bonus disc, "Sessions" is > almost worse than its predecessor. The DVD is a program that stages > "rehearsals" for the world tour, in controlled and antiseptic surroundings > at first, and concocted historical settings at the end. Ostensibly Clapton > tries to explain his devotion to the music and legend of Robert Johnson but > comes off like a goofy old uncle re-telling old stories he's told a thousand > times before. But it's the music performances that are the most tragic to > watch. While listening to the original "Johnson" CD was sad enough, > watching Clapton and his band limping through this material, like crippled > old men, is truly disquieting. Again, only Billy Preston - who's actually > on death's door himself - engages any level of spirit and enthusiasm for the > material; the rest of the band appears like they're just watching the clock. > The settings range from a studio setting to the supposed actual locations of > the Robert Johnson historical recordings. No matter - being surrounded by > the ghost of Robert Johnson does nothing to inspire Clapton beyond rote > readings of the grisly specter's greatest work. > > > > Cream - Reunion? > > > Late in 2004, it was announced that Cream, the original power trio of > Clapton, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker, were to re-group for a series of > concerts sometime in 2005. Their last reunion in 1994 was a fairly weak > affair, unsurprisingly because the power of Cream came from the youthful > abandon that the three musicians brought to the table. But as old men, > their raison d'?tre was naturally gone, and with it the glory of Cream. So, > with the three old men now ten years older (and Jack Bruce just returning > from death's door last year), this can be expected to be no more than a cute > oldies show, geezers pretending to be earth-rattlers, and a exercise only to > generate money for Bruce and Baker. "Wheelchairs of Fire," if you will. > > > > * * * * > > So, who is Eric Clapton anymore? And does he even care? Clearly, his > actual skills haven't diminished in the slightest. But his muse has gone > unfocused, his intents are unclear, and his work devoid of meaning if not > worth. > > > Can this career be saved? Time will tell, but if Robert Johnson can't light > his fire, a fire that always burned deep in his soul, perhaps his devotion > now is to a safe comfortable place of Lite-FM and commercial reward. With > Clapton now a shill for SBC services, it may take something fiery than > Robert Johnson to save his soul. God knows what that is. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050314/a8dbacbb/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Slowhand mailing list > Slowhand@planet-torque.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/slowhand > > > End of Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 168 > **************************************** From ollio at mbnet.fi Tue Mar 15 01:21:20 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Tue Mar 15 01:18:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Nobody asked you ;*) Message-ID: <000a01c52927$37a6aa60$adf2c551@ollionkone> Hi all, The internet is full of nameless attacks on succesful people. You can find thousands of nameless attacks on Mr. Clapton and his extraordinaire career and choices. That somebody should post them to this Digest as a support to his well documented hate of Clapton's current musical choices, seems to me quite sad and desperate. Well, I quess it tells a lot more of the original poster than Mr. Clapton. Keep on Growin' Olli P.S. The best rhythm section in rock: Jim Gordon / Carl Radle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050315/7e464e7e/attachment.html From ollio at mbnet.fi Tue Mar 15 02:14:29 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Tue Mar 15 02:15:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD PAL offer Message-ID: <000001c5292f$3a11bd50$adf2c551@ollionkone> Hi all, Thanks to Gaetano I can offer Paris 2004 DVD in PAL format to the first to e-mail me privately. This DVD (only partial concert) is another proof on how good EC was on this 2004 tour, contrary to some non-believers' reports ;*). I know, that these offers should be made on ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com , but AG started this vine on SD and here's my offer. Cheers and a nice spring to all SD'ers (even those with a doubtful soul ;*) ) Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050315/10e781d1/attachment.html From whereseric at optonline.net Tue Mar 15 03:20:04 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Tue Mar 15 03:20:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric at the RnR Hall of Fame / News from WE! Message-ID: Eric, accompanied by BB King, inducted Buddy Guy into the Hall of Fame on Monday Night, 14 March. Eric and BB joined Buddy for 1 number. Later, Eric and Robbie Robertson along with the house band, backed Bo Diddley and Jerry Lee Lewis. The event will air 19 March on VH1 in the US. For complete details, please see www.whereseric.com Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From joeyjay at att.net Tue Mar 15 03:39:02 2005 From: joeyjay at att.net (joeyjay@att.net) Date: Tue Mar 15 03:39:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Nobody Asked Me (Part 1) and (Part 2) Message-ID: <031520050839.9330.42369F250007B757000024722158766755970E06970A0106@att.net> Slowhanders, Its 3:30 in the morning, I'm tired, but I just checked my email and read this garbage. I hate to even acquiesce and lend any attention to this friggin' lame-ass, cynical self-serving bullshit. To the person who wrote this......YOU SUCK......I understand your sentiment to a certain extent, but I think you took it too far......I have many friends in their 50's, 60's who play in bands and still play incredible kick-ass rock and blues, but Eric doesn't quite deserve this account. Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker and Eric would still leave anyone spellbound on any given night. They are true legends. We all get old. Is that a crime? How many people on God's earth could outplay them, even at their age? Precious few.......you miserable piece of cow, donkey and horse manure !!! From r_laude at gmx.de Tue Mar 15 04:00:05 2005 From: r_laude at gmx.de (Robert Laude) Date: Tue Mar 15 04:00:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] What makes a good rhythm section? Message-ID: <28723.1110877205@www69.gmx.net> Hi there, after the very interesting and deep discussion about drummers I would like to ask you a question. It seems as if there are some drummers on this list and I am sure ther also must be some bass players among us as well, so maybe you can answer this. Is a good drummer and a good bassist enough in a band or how important for the sound, the drive, the swing, the groove, you know what I mean, is the right combination of drummer and bassist? As I said in an earlier post, I think that the combination of Gadd/Bronze worked better for my ears than the pairing of Gadd/East. I think East and Ferrone fitted better together. Thanks for considering my question and all the best Robert PS: Thank you DeltaNick for the quote of the " The 910" article. Sounds harsh but I think the is right in some points. -- SMS bei wichtigen e-mails und Ihre Gedanken sind frei ... Alle Infos zur SMS-Benachrichtigung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/sms From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 04:39:16 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Tue Mar 15 04:39:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The latest negative post... Message-ID: <20050315093916.64836.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't have time to find the article (Nick, you're good at digging them up) but EC was severely criticized back in 1968 for the indulgent Cream solos. The criticism stung him so much that it influenced him to go want to play with the Band after Music in Big Pink. So, the criticism has been going on a long time. It's a pattern - artist does something great, becomes an idol, then people start taking shots at him (Springteen's "They made me the pope and then they brought the rope"). A few questions; 1. Would you rather listen to Take it Back and Mother's Lament from Disraeli than Me and Mr. J? 2. How different is From Four Until Late 40 years later? 3. Would you rather listen to There's One in Every Crowd (and I like some of it) or From the Cradle? Oh, and Nick, please tell all those people that bought all the Cream tickets that they are going to be so disappointed. Then some of us poor misguided souls could get those empty seats and enjoy EC (although we should really be home listening to Beano). Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From ollio at mbnet.fi Tue Mar 15 04:46:42 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Tue Mar 15 04:43:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris 2004 DVD offer closed Message-ID: <001401c52943$e86c81a0$adf2c551@ollionkone> Hi all, Matthew from UK will get a copy of this DVD. A wonderful document of one of those many nights from 2004 tour, when EC was way above most performers in rock, (although he didn't play material from the Beano-album ) Cheers and a Creamy spring for all Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050315/ccadb41a/attachment.html From cdudek at wilkes.net Tue Mar 15 08:05:22 2005 From: cdudek at wilkes.net (S Dudek) Date: Tue Mar 15 08:05:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Nobody Asked Me (Part 1) In-Reply-To: <008a01c52909$167be530$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> References: <008a01c52909$167be530$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Message-ID: <30163.12.107.53.245.1110891922.squirrel@webmail.wilkes.net> Funny article but sadly true IMHO. Along the same token, I?ve been listening to Rory Block?s new CD ?From the Dust?. Now that?s somebody Eric could take lessons from on how to play real blues guitar Delta style. Wow that lady can play. And I've seen her perform live and what a show. The blues lovers among the list ought to give her a try if they haven't already heard her. DeltaNick said: > The below is NOT my product. However, it is from the Beatles periodic > newsletter called "The 910." It is reproduced here with permission of the > author, a former subscriber to the Slowhand Digest. > > DeltaNick > > ----- > Nobody Asked Me > March 14, 2005 > > > > A Fifth Beatle?s Autumn Years > > > It?s been a while since I talked about Eric Clapton, one of the most > prominent ?Fifth Beatles? remaining on the musical landscape. Since my > modus operandi here at The 910 has always been to talk about things we > should support and buy, rather than disparage and ignore, there?s been > nothing really to talk about as ?Slowhand? has gotten increasingly slower. > But in the last 12 months or so, Clapton, once among the greatest of all > blues rock guitarists, has moved ever more irrelevant and weaker, and > using > his career?s autumn years to wallow in such decay that a look at how a > legend can evaporate is in order. > > > > So what?s he been up to? > > > > ME AND MR. JOHNSON > Reprise 48423-2 > > > > Last spring, Clapton?s first studio album since 2001 appeared. Long an > acolyte of the legendary blues-god Robert Johnson, he decided to create a > ?tribute? to his hero. > > > > Knowing how devoted Clapton was to this music, I was shocked to hear the > world's most spooky, raw blues songs rendered into a nice, suburban, > Disney-safe format...as if Clapton had never even heard these songs before > and is reading them off a song sheet. ?Me and Mr. Johnson? could have been > expected to bring Clapton out of his MOR funk, to bring back the roar in > his > muse. But sadly, it?s the work of a toothless lion. If one would expect > Clapton to fire up his Stratocaster on this disc, think again. While the > arrangements are largely ?electric? (as opposed to the music?s raw Delta > style), there?s no electricity in Clapton?s rudimentary playing. Worse > yet, > for his vocals Clapton affects a ?black? style, using cheesy ?black? > cliches > to punctuate the songs. Never in his career has Clapton ever pretended to > be something he is not, but for this he?s gone shockingly blackface. And > Clapton?s crack band is obviously confused or distracted by their leader > as > well. Other than Billy Preston (who has the best and most inspired > moments > on the disc), the band just strolls through the park on each track, > providing no drive or power to the proceedings. > > > > This album was a cotton-candy tribute that, in reality, disrespected the > greatest blues songs ever written. ?Me and Mr. Johnson? is hardly an > appropriate title for this corpse, since Mr. Johnson is nowhere to be > found > on the disc. Among the titles I thought better for this would?ve been: > > "Amos and Andy and Mr. Johnson" > "Robert Johnson for Dummies" > "Eric Clapton's Delta Blues Minstrel Show" > "Robert Johnson Lite - All the Tunes With None of the Blues" > "Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Robert Johnson" > > > > Amazingly, and sadly, it?s one of the rare albums that gets worse the more > times you listen to it. Thankfully, I suppose, few but the faithful ever > did. Chart action was quick in and out. > > > > 2004 World Tour ? March-July > > > While he claimed at the time of his 2001 world tour that he was done with > such efforts, Clapton staged a massive trek for 2004. There was a > difference this time ? his band was a more compact and gritty ensemble; > less > on the sheen, more on the bomp. His mainstays of the slick Nate East > (bass) > and Steve Gadd (drums) were present, but the keyboards were handled by > Billy > Preston and Chris Stainton, and the second guitar was chaired by Texan > gunslinger Doyle Bramhall III. Like it really mattered. > > Ostensibly in support of ?Mr. Johnson?, the show was generally Lite-FM. A > selection of tunes from the Johnson album appeared in the middle of the > show, and were ? surprisingly ? far sharper and aggressive than found on > the > CD. On some nights, Clapton got a head of steam up and played guitar like > the legend he?s supposed to be. But most nights, he settled into clich? > and > moderation, offering predictable solos with apparent disinterest. The > bulk > of the setlist was peppered with nice MOR album tracks and obligatory > ?classics?. Outside of the Johnson tunes, he included exactly one blues > song, a quick and meaningless read of ?Have You Ever Loved A Woman?. For > most stops on the tour, the proceedings had the feel of a Ringo Starr All > Starr Band show ? commercial, programmed, and sadly pointless. > Interestingly, for an artist who generally sells-out every night, plenty > of > open seats could be seen at most dates. More interestingly, his opening > act, the marvelous Robert Rudolph and the Family Band, garnered the most > excitement from the crowds ? deservingly so. > > > > This trip out in public for Clapton had a sad feel of an obligation, and > rarely caught fire until > > > From Garret74 at aol.com Tue Mar 15 11:07:20 2005 From: Garret74 at aol.com (Garret74@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 15 11:07:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] weekly Clapdock attacks.. Message-ID: <79.41565705.2f686238@aol.com> ***Well, I quess it tells a lot more of the original poster than Mr. = Clapton.*** I was sort of wondering what this 'writers' take would be on Paul McCartney... Just another hatchet job by an unhappy 'critic'... Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050315/df7f91e0/attachment.html From rhendriksen63 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 13:32:05 2005 From: rhendriksen63 at hotmail.com (Roel Hendriksen) Date: Tue Mar 15 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Rory Block In-Reply-To: <20050315171502.C58838D207@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: >Along the same token, I?ve been listening to Rory Block?s new CD ?From the >Dust?. Now that?s somebody Eric could take lessons from on how to play >real blues guitar Delta style. Wow that lady can play. And I've seen her >perform live and what a show. The blues lovers among the list ought to >give her a try if they haven't already heard her. Now that IS true! That is, this lady really knows how to play. Unfortunately she has also made some religious songs and originals, which I don't like that much. Her versions of Crossroad Blues and Walking Blues are really terrific!!! Regards, Roel From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 14:02:53 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Tue Mar 15 14:02:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] why the nobody asked me posts aren't attacks! Message-ID: ...cause they are 1. someone's opinion and we're all entitled to that, 2. there is some truth in them, which may scare/annoy people who live in a fantasy world. I know it's been said before, but it this is a digest, a forum for opinions, thoughts, etc. This encompasses everything. jUst because a negative review is posted, doesnt mean this is attacking Eric as a person or that the persion hates Eric. Those of you who get tired of those kinds of posts, I dont know what to say other than, are you sure you know what you signed up for in this Digest. You'll get the good, bad the ugly and everything in between. Wondering if anyone saw HoF pics from last night, looks like EC was playing a blackie clone, was this done to match the black tie affair or has he given up Crash for now? Don't know for sure I guess we'll have to see. AAP From jwalasko at telus.net Tue Mar 15 20:47:35 2005 From: jwalasko at telus.net (John Walasko) Date: Tue Mar 15 20:48:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Kansas City '94 recording up at easytree.org Message-ID: <5E71C422-95BD-11D9-9D60-000393DABF4E@telus.net> Hi, A recording of the October 28 1994 Kansas City show is up at easytree.org. I don't know if a recording of this show already available, but the taper says his audience recording is previously uncirculated. The R&B standard "Kansas City" is the encore with Jimmie Vaughan - I don't know how many times EC has played that one... Eric Clapton Friday, October 28th, 1994 Kemper Arena, Kansas City Missouri Disc 1: (53:47) 01.) (1:38) ...Motherless Child 02.) (3:01) Malted Milk 03.) (3:29) How Long Blues 04.) (2:42) Kid Man Blues 05.) (3:12) County Jail Blues 06.) (4:29) Forty-Four Blues 07.) (4:11) Blues All Day Long 08.) (4:02) Standing Around Crying 09.) (3:54) Hoochie Coochie Man 10.) (3:37) It Hurts Me Too 11.) (3:06) Blues Before Sunrise 12.) (5:20) Third Degree 13.) (3:45) ...Reconsider Baby 14.) (4:02) Sinner's Prayer 15.) (3:11) I Can't Judge Nobody Disc 2: (60:59) 01.) (4:01) Someday After A While 02.) (3:38) I'm Tore Down 03.) (6:15) Have You Ever Loved A Woman 04.) (4:20) Crosscut Saw 05.) (5:55) Five Long Years! 06.) (3:29) Born Under A Bad Sign 07.) (6:04) Crossroads... 08.) (8:27) ...Groaning The Blues 09.) (5:00) Ain't Nobody's Business 10.) (2:54) encore break Encore: 11.) (10:50) Kansas City* From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 05:37:59 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Wed Mar 16 05:38:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Introducing a friend to EC... Message-ID: <20050316103759.18163.qmail@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Let's say you had a friend who had never heard of EC and you wanted to introduce his music to them. You can choose only 10 performances for them to listen to. They could be your favorites or they might be what you think represents his total career or range. They can be released or unreleased, studio or live. What would you pick? Off the top of my head (not necessarily my absolute favorites but trying to show his range, growth and different sides): 1. I Ain't Got You - Yardbirds (the emergence of the stinging lead guitar solo) 2. All Your Love - Bluesbreakers (the tone and attack of the Les Paul) 3. Crossroads - Cream (no explanation necessary) 4. That's The Way God Planned It - Billy Preston (EC the session player, unbelievable outro guitar on the long version) 5. Got To Get Better In A Little While - Derek & the Dominos Fillmore 1970 (the ability to create exteded solos around the basic theme of a song) 6. Give Me Strength - 461 Ocean Boulevard (the ability to write beautiful emotional songs without relying on guitar playing) 7. Communion - 1980s unreleased TV soundtrack (for me the most haunting piece of music I have ever heard) 8. Concerto for Electric Guitar and Orchestra - 1991 (ambtious and unprecedented) 8. Don't Think Twice - Dylan Tribute 1993 (interpreting other artists and the emergence of power in his voice with great lead guitar) 9. Terraplane Blues - Into the Fire 1994 (unplugged, what EC is capable of doing acoustically with Robert Johnson) 10. Five Long Years - Hyde Park 1996 (ok, almost 9 years old but as good as anything in the 60s or 70s IMHO, the blues) 11. Rip Stop - TDF Retail Therapy (great guitar playing in a techno context) 12. Snakes - Legends 1997 (EC hints at his ability to play in a jazz context) 13. Old Love - Hyde Park 1996 (for me showing maturity with unbelievable emotion in his playing to match the aggression of his youth) 14. Cause We've Ended As Lovers - Crossroads Festival 2004 with Jeff Beck (again on other artists' material, matches or exceeds Jeff with his solo the way Jeff did to him on the same song at The Secret Policeman's Ball in the early 1980s) Ok, so I can't count!! Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 07:29:22 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Wed Mar 16 07:29:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Criticism back in 1968... Message-ID: <20050316122922.64149.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The following excerpt is on Steve Proctor's site from a Guitar Magazine Online article. Notice the criticism of "long-winded boring solos" from Rolling Stone circa 1968). http://www.slowhand.net/articles/art31.htm I think in some ways because Cream "died" as a band at their height, they got immortalized and many people often forget that there was great stuff and not-so-great stuff from them, just like I think you could say about any period of EC's career. As a friend of mine says about Hendix, death was a good career move. It doesn't mean Cream or Hendrix weren't great but I think it distorts the reality a bit. I also think it creates unfair comparisons with EC's more recent efforts. As an aside, has anyone heard a Cream version of Crossroads that matches the Wheels of Fire version? Richard The crowd was waiting, but Cream wasn't really ready, according to Eric. "To begin with, we didn't have a full set. We had maybe three quarters of an hour's material. When it became clear that we needed more than that, we just stretched the numbers out, and then that became the vogue. Purely accidental." Those stretched-out jams fit in perfectly with the times, Eric continues. "Because of the light shows, you felt that there was a great deal of pressure taken off you to be anything more than soundtrack music. It was a whole environmental thing, and you could look at the audience and see that they were all spaced out of their minds. You could do anything you liked, really, as long as it was pretty good. The worst thing you could have done was go on and play 25 three-minute songs. That wouldn't have worked at all with the lights and the stoned atmosphere. So it had to be long, drawn-out mood music." Though they came out to much praise, the honeymoon was soon over for Cream. Ginger recalls that the group soon came under critical fire. "There was an article in Rolling Stone saying 'Will Cream's music last?' and now it's on CD and the records are still selling. We were good. We knew we were good, and that's probably why it's lasted. Rolling Stone really slighted Eric and talked about his 'long-winded, boring' solos. Eric is a very sensitive guy and I think that had something to do with Cream folding up. That article really hit Eric hard, I think." Maybe the criticism made up Eric's mind for him, but he was already thinking about moving on. "The story with Cream was that we went on the road and battered out the same material over and over again for the last year and a half or so without taking into consideration that everything in the world was changing. Good evidence of that was Music From Big Pink, and The Band hitting the scene. When I heard that, I felt we were really dinosaurs. What we were doing was rapidly becoming outdated." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <20050316171501.BEBC78C767@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050316192516.67741.qmail@web50404.mail.yahoo.com> > > From: "Apurva Parikh" > To: slowhand@planet-torque.com > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:02:53 -0600 > Subject: [Slowhand] why the nobody asked me posts > aren't attacks! > > ...cause they are 1. someone's opinion and we're all > entitled to that, 2. > there is some truth in them, which may scare/annoy > people who live in a > fantasy world. > I've waited a few days to respond to this because my initial reaction wasn't pretty. So, I've read it a couple of times and tried to break it down into valid criticism and opinion as opposed to the parts that I believe cross that line. There's plenty of hyperbole there and while I disagree with much of the review of M&MJ and especially SFRJ (goofy old uncle my a$$) I can see this as mostly one person's opinion. My only question is how many times do you listen to a cd you obviously dislike? Sure, sometimes music grows on you but when when you reach the point where you know that's not going to happen, do yourself a favor and stop listening to it! I have the most problem with the review of the 2004 tour. Did this person see every show? The statement regarding predictable solos and apparent disinterest on most nights seem to imply that they did. Perhaps this person saw every concert while simultaneously listening to M&MJ over and over again? My recollection of this tour is exactly the opposite of this review. The shows that I saw and the reviews submitted here and on other sites were generally positive (many I would even call rave reviews) as were most of the professional critic reviews. If this was one person's opinion of one show, fine, but it reads as a review of an entire tour and just seems like a rewrite of history to prove a point. I'm fine with different opinions, I'm okay with constructive criticism. I am not okay with distorting the facts. I would also like to ask DeltaNick why this person gave their permission to reprint their words here but not their name. This person obviously has strong feelings why so shy about attaching the name to their words? Hillary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 14:38:03 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Wed Mar 16 14:38:05 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Intoducing a friend to EC In-Reply-To: <20050316171501.BEBC78C767@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Good thread Idea.. Tough tough, but doable.. If I had a introduce a friend to EC, I wouldn't worry about showing different facets or genres of EC, just his best. Here's my ideas, I'll keep it to 10-15. I'm sticking to officially released stuff. The Yardbird Era: 1. Got to Hurry 2. The Sky is crying (live) from Blueswailing Mayall: 3. Hideaway 4. Have you Heard Cream: 5. Crossroads live 6. Sleepy Time Time (Fresh Cream version) Dominoes: 7. Layla 8. Have you Heard a woman (both studio versions) 70's solo stuff 9. not really solo, but Further on up the road from Last Waltz 80's cheesy era, lol 10. Same Old blues (behind the sun) 90's Comeback 11. Tears in Heaven unplugged version 12. Five Long years, FTC 2000's 13. Come back Baby - Reptile 14. Ten Long Years- Riding with the King 15. Hmm... I want to put something from the Crossroads DVD - Killing Floor perhaps And I would burn my friend a copy of Club Full of Blues, possibly the best Eric Clapton guitar playing from beginning to end, this would the one album to listen to if you want to hear Clapton at his best, unless something from the Bluesbreakers era surfaces, like a concert or something -AAP From jbm90501 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 15:40:51 2005 From: jbm90501 at yahoo.com (James Fox) Date: Wed Mar 16 15:40:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] but Jack said . . . Message-ID: <20050316204051.70644.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> Here's another one of those interviews that reflects a change of mind since it appears there will be more music to come. This is from December 2001 & back then it was pointed out how there were some points that were not correct but Jack's comments about Cream are interesting to read in 2005. http://www.coreylevitan.com/interviews/jackbruce.txt - Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 16:27:11 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Wed Mar 16 16:27:26 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Criticism back in 1968... Message-ID: I think in some ways because Cream "died" as a band at their height, they got immortalized and many people often forget that there was great stuff and not-so-great stuff from them.... December '66 - FRESH CREAM November '67 - DISRAELI GEARS August '68 - WHEELS OF FIRE March '69 - GOODBYE I'm just curious as to what 'the not-so-great stuff from them' was. It may be easy to name a few albums that one may feel were better than the above, but even if we are VERY critical, these albums would still have to rate in the top 40 of each year. That doesn't seem like 'not-so-great' to me. I can think of MANY big names from '66 - '69, that weren't this consistent. When I take into account the original songs, their interpretation of songs by others, the production, the fact that this was virtually the first time LIVE rock music was recorded properly, the musicianship in these live recordings, even the cover art to the albums, I feel these boys should indeed be immortalised. Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005 From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Wed Mar 16 20:11:06 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Wed Mar 16 20:11:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Introducing a friend to EC... References: <20050316103759.18163.qmail@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c52a8e$32c34db0$bd8b29d8@Kelly> Good idea. I actually have a friend who wants me to make her an EC mix among others (Bruce Springsteen, etc.). She's just heard a few of the hits and that's it. Judging from what she likes and also trying to show EC's diversity a little I think I would go with (sticking with officially released material for now) 1. Crossroads - Cream 2. Bad Love 3. Got To Get Better In A Little While - Derek & the Dominos 4. Don't Think Twice, It's All Right - Bob Dylan Tribute 5. Bell Bottom Blues 6. Double Trouble - Just One Night 7. Little Wing - Crossroads box set 8. Let It Grow - 461 Ocean Blvd. live disc 9. It's In The Way That You Use It 10. All Your Love - Bluesbreakers Kelly ------------- My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Batty" To: "Slowhand Digest (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:37 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Introducing a friend to EC... > Let's say you had a friend who had never heard of EC > and you wanted to > introduce his music to them. You can choose only 10 > performances for them > to listen to. They could be your favorites or they > might be what you think > represents his total career or range. They can be > released or unreleased, > studio or live. What would you pick? > > Off the top of my head (not necessarily my absolute > favorites but trying to > show his range, growth and different sides): > > 1. I Ain't Got You - Yardbirds (the emergence of the > stinging lead guitar > solo) > 2. All Your Love - Bluesbreakers (the tone and attack > of the Les Paul) > 3. Crossroads - Cream (no explanation necessary) > 4. That's The Way God Planned It - Billy Preston (EC > the session player, > unbelievable outro guitar on the long version) > 5. Got To Get Better In A Little While - Derek & the > Dominos Fillmore 1970 > (the ability to create exteded solos around the basic > theme of a song) > 6. Give Me Strength - 461 Ocean Boulevard (the ability > to write beautiful > emotional songs without relying on guitar playing) > 7. Communion - 1980s unreleased TV soundtrack (for me > the most haunting > piece of music I have ever heard) > 8. Concerto for Electric Guitar and Orchestra - 1991 > (ambtious and > unprecedented) > 8. Don't Think Twice - Dylan Tribute 1993 > (interpreting other artists and > the emergence of power in his voice with great lead > guitar) > 9. Terraplane Blues - Into the Fire 1994 (unplugged, > what EC is capable of > doing acoustically with Robert Johnson) > 10. Five Long Years - Hyde Park 1996 (ok, almost 9 > years old but as good as > anything in the 60s or 70s IMHO, the blues) > 11. Rip Stop - TDF Retail Therapy (great guitar > playing in a techno context) > 12. Snakes - Legends 1997 (EC hints at his ability to > play in a jazz > context) > 13. Old Love - Hyde Park 1996 (for me showing maturity > with unbelievable > emotion in his playing to match the aggression of his > youth) > 14. Cause We've Ended As Lovers - Crossroads Festival > 2004 with Jeff Beck > (again on other artists' material, matches or exceeds > Jeff with his solo the > way Jeff did to him on the same song at The Secret > Policeman's Ball in the > early 1980s) > > Ok, so I can't count!! > > Richard > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 07:59:51 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Thu Mar 17 07:59:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: The Cream albums Message-ID: <20050317125951.41621.qmail@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tone wrote: December '66 - FRESH CREAM November '67 - DISRAELI GEARS August '68 - WHEELS OF FIRE March '69 - GOODBYE I'm just curious as to what 'the not-so-great stuff from them' was. Tone, I hear what you are saying. In my opinion, quite a lot of the songs on these albums (and I played them to death in the 60s) do not really hold up. I don't enjoy listening to Coffee Song, Anyone for Tennis, We're Going Wrong, Take It Back, Mother's Lament (Ok, a joke that one!), Pressed Rat & Warthog, Blue Condition, Toad, Sweet Wine and others to a lesser degree (Passing the Time, As You Said, even SWALBR). I do still enjoy NSU, I Feel Free, Spoonful, I'm So Glad, Lawdy Mama, Stepping Out (I love the guitar tone on Fresh Cream). I prefer some of the more recent versions of White Room and Sunshine. I still play Crossroads from WoF probably more than any song I have. I play the Goodbye version of I'm So Glad a lot. Some of the live Cream stuff I find hard to listen to now (although I listened to and enjoyed the WoF version of Spoonful last night) - Traintime, Toad etc. Obviously this is all opinion but I think From The Cradle is a more consistent album. This is probably the only album where Eric has played nearly all the songs in concert. Do you think we'll see some of the first songs I listed above played in May? I just think that like most of Eric's solo albums, there are what many of us consider strong songs and less-strong ones on the Cream albums. I was just pointing out that not everything that Cream did was great (as for any artist) but that with the reunion, I think there is a tendency for people to think that way. Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ollio at mbnet.fi Thu Mar 17 08:39:50 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (Olli Oksala) Date: Thu Mar 17 08:50:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Cream albums and others too Message-ID: <58659.212.213.178.11.1111066790.squirrel@212.213.178.11> Hi all, I think Richard Batty is quite right. There's a lot to be desired from the Cream albums, if you want to be really critical. I think Wheels of Fire and Goodbye are a bit over- rated, not so many great songs and the 4th side WoF is really unnecessary. The same applies to the John Mayall's Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton- album, too (if you want to be critical), although it seems to have gained a mythical status on this list. I think, that the songs aren't that special and the rhythm section is a bit clumsy on the Beano album. Clapton is great, sure, but Mayall's vocals are a bit ordinary and EC's vocal contribution is ehh "weak". I'm sure there were lots of better and musically more varied albums released in 1966. BUT, BUT after this criticism I must admit, that I still love these "faulty" albums, that were a significant part of my youth and growing up. Cheers and a great spring to all Olli P.S.Richard: Pressed Rat and Warthog is masterpiece! From desosa at fiat.com Thu Mar 17 09:02:11 2005 From: desosa at fiat.com (FERNANDEZ de SOSA Juan Manuel) Date: Thu Mar 17 08:59:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Introducing a friend to Eric Clapton Message-ID: <6754CD43E415D411B32E00508B6D28D203EF99DB@ex1madntd01.its.it> Well, this is my list: Cream: Crossroads Sunshine of your love White room Badge Bluesbrakers: Ramblin' on my mind Hideaway Dominoes: Layla 70's: Cocaine Have you ever loved a woman Unplugged: Before you accuse me Tears in heaven Malted milk Walking blues >From the cradle: Hoochie coochie man I'm tore down Pilgrim: River of tears Reptile: Got you on my mind Juanma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050317/6dc6d85c/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 17 11:36:32 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Thu Mar 17 11:36:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream, overrated or not great? HECK no.. Message-ID: I'll try to explain this to people who feel Cream wasn't a great, innovative band and to the person who said Beano or other records sounded clumsy or whatever the word was... Cream was great because.. Each person was a virtuoso in his own right, they came together to form a unique sound, blend of pop, blues, jazz and rock. Oh yea and they were also amazing live. Did they deterioriate in 1968, yes. Why? Interpersonal relationships gone terribly wrong, and Eric's insecurities did them in. I'd put Fresh Cream, Wheels and Disraeli up against any other rock bands output of 1966-1968 and only the Stones and the Beatles were as consistent, IMO. Another reason they were great, is that inspite of notoriously sounding bad on the first album, production, etc wasn't as good as I'd expect, they created a new sound, a new approach to the business of making records and while their lyrics weren't beatles-eque, they combined all the flower-power element along with keeping their blues influences in tact. I love listening to the sheer instrumentation on Fresh Cream and live Wheels, it's an amalgamation of so much Another more important reason to us, as EC fans, is that this was first big step into full out improvisation and being pushed on to bigger and better by his band mates. True it became QUITE contemptious in the last year, but at their peak, it was amazing to hear the moving pieces come together as one. So many differnt guitar tones, techniques (all gibson, btw) displayed. Full out. As for Olli, I think it was he, who mentioned the many faults of Beano. C'mon man it's like saying the Mona Lisa was great, but a little clumsy because of faulty brushstroking.. I think it's great because of all the faults you mention. Mayall's voice, yea he's no Howlin Wolf, but as white bluesleaders go he's the most respected and most (one of) influential. The drumming sounds ok to my ears, but then again I'm not listening for the drumming or the keyboards. I'm listening for Eric's guitar and so much innovation in those 11-12 tracks. It's a classic because it's just a fierce no holds barred guitar assault on the blues done by a master. AAP From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 14:09:43 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Thu Mar 17 14:09:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Cream, Beano... Message-ID: <20050317190943.60924.qmail@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Apurva wrote: "I'll try to explain this to people who feel Cream wasn't a great, innovative band and to the person who said Beano or other records sounded clumsy or whatever the word was..." Apurva, Unless I missed a post, I don't recall anyone saying that Cream (or EC's playing with Mayall) was not great or innovative. The Bluesbreakers and Cream albums are landmark ones because of this very fact. But that doesn't mean that all the songs were great. The guitar playing, the individual virtosity in the medium of rock, the fusion of rock and blues and the stretched-out improvisations were revolutionary. But would you really match up Take It Back, Blue Condition, We're Going Wrong, Pressed Rat (Sorry Olli!!), Coffee Song, Anyone for tennis with the line-up on Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Are You Experienced, Who's Next (Admittedly 70s), the Doors' first album, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Abraxas etc.? As far as Beano goes, the intro to All My Love was my intro to EC and I love the guitar playing and tone of the Les Paul. No doubt it is also a landmark album. Mayall was indeed a huge pioneer but I'm with Olli in having a very hard time listening to his voice and the sound of the organ. Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Mar 17 22:10:11 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Mar 17 22:10:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fw: Cream, Beano ... Message-ID: <005301c52b68$00cdaf00$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Re: Cream, Beano ...>> Mayall was indeed a huge pioneer but I'm with Olli in having a very hard time listening to his voice and the sound of the organ. << John Mayall works with the voice that God gave him, as does Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, and everyone else. However, compared to Dylan, Mayall sings on key and hits all his notes. I will say that his voice has a certain Kermit The Frog tone, when singing, but he can't help that. It's what one DOES with his voice that really counts. Feeling or passion is what I think most of us agree counts. Although Mayall may not be the greatest singer around, I would certainly insist that his vocal performance on "Double Crossing Time" is a more-than-excellent performance, especially in its range and sense of "desperation" (go ahead, try to hit those notes as passionately as he does). It's one helluva vocal performance, whether you like the "tone" of his voice or not. But hey, I hated beer when I first tried it too! One develops an "acquired taste." Now about Mayall's organ: On the 1960s Bluesbreakers albums, Mayall played a Hammond organ. For those of you who don't know, the Hammond organ was THE organ. No cheesy Farfisa sound here. Billy Preston still uses one, and Hammond went out of business decades ago, if I'm not mistaken. And Mayall's keyboards playing is top notch. He's one musician who knows how to play in a way that it highlights the soloist, as he did for Clapton, Peter Green, Mick Taylor and others. And Mayall's barelhouse-style piano playing is superb. He sounds so relaxed and natural playing this style, and there remain few of these players in the world (Clint Eastwood is one of 'em). During today's performances (Mayall is 71 years old), the other band members retire and Mayall takes a solo spot for a barrelhouse piano performance -- no vocals -- that makes everyone in the house smile, whoop, and holler. Simply stated, he makes EVERYONE happy to be there, and that's more than most other musicians know how to and are able to do. My personal opinion is that John Mayall accompanied Clapton's guitar playing better than ANY other musician of Clapton's career (and I include Duane Allman, Nate East, and Steve Gadd here, all excellent musicians, by the way). I think that when Mayall and Clapton played together, there was a certain ESP (extra-sensory-perception) involved that seldom happened with other musicians of all genres. Yet Mayall was able to continue this excellent accompaniment with later iterations of his bands as well. Just listen to "Beano," "Looking Back," Primal Solos," and Mayall's ever-so-sensitive backing of Peter Green, Mick Taylor and all his other musicians. Now, I haven't discussed Mayall's harmonica and guitar playing yet, but that's for another time. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kevin NOTICE: Please note that this eMail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard arivia.kom email disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.arivia.co.za/internet/disclaimer.htm. If you cannot access the disclaimer through the URL attached, and you wish to receive a copy thereof, please send an eMail to disclaimer@arivia.co.za or call (011) 233-0800. You will receive the disclaimer by return email or fax. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050318/cddcfb23/attachment.html From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 03:13:23 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Fri Mar 18 03:13:24 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Introducing a friend... Message-ID: <20050318081323.50507.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kevin wrote: "Looking at the choices so far, I think it rather presumptuous to assume that a friend would automatically be turned on to great guitar solos by Eric and love his music firstly for that fact and then for the music. Under the circumstances, being a friend, you should have respect for your friend's taste in music and get him/her hooked to Eric's music by accommodating that preference first. Bottom line: Change the subject to: My Favourite Songs from Eric" Kevin, My thought when I started this thread was exactly NOT to focus on the guitar solos that most people associate with EC. My own list was an attempt to present the many different styles of music EC has attempted, thus my inclusion of non-guitar songs like "Give Me Strength" and TDF's "Rip Stop" which is not really an EC guitar solo in the classic sense. Exactly because people have different preferences, as often seen on this Digest, I think it would be interesting for a friend to be able to choose from a wide variety of styles. Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 03:16:57 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Fri Mar 18 03:17:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream - mediocre, blah blah blah Message-ID: Richard & Olli, I'll try to make it easier: What albums from '66 were better than Fresh Cream? What albums from '67 were better than Disraeli Gears? What albums from '68 were better than Wheels Of Fire? What albums from '69 were better than Goodbye? Now, as I said before, I'm not saying these albums were the best of their respective years. I'm saying they are great albums, consistently improving on their previous release. And as albums from these years, stand high. But would you really match up Take It Back, Blue Condition, We're Going Wrong, Pressed Rat (Sorry Olli!!), Coffee Song (OUT-TAKE not released until the 70's) Anyone for tennis (45 - not on any of the above albums) with theline-up on Rubber Soul (Released in 1965) Revolver, Sgt Pepper, Let It Bleed (released in 1970) Sticky Fingers (released in 1971) Are You Experienced Who's Next (Admittedly 70s), the Doors' first album, Crosby, Stills & Nash Abraxas (released in 1970) Okay, once we've eliminated the songs and albums that do not relate to the original post, we're left comparing Take It Back, Blue Condition, We're Going Wrong and Pressed Rat to....... Yellow Submarine, When I'm Sixty-Four, Marrakesh Express, and Twentieth Century Fox Guess which ones I think are stronger songs. (just my opinion, mind you) And speaking of albums from 1967, let's take one album from one of the bands you're suggesting, but from the correct period. The Rolling Stones - Between The Buttons (1967). Give me a run down on how these songs compare with those on Disraeli Gears. By the way, I have all the official releases by these bands, and I like these artists. I would rate all the above albums highly (not Between The Buttons). Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050318/d4389205/attachment-0001.html From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 03:29:38 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Fri Mar 18 03:29:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Oops! HTML Message-ID: Sorry for the crap that followed my previous post. Didn't check the format before sending. Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005 From doddsj at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 03:40:52 2005 From: doddsj at yahoo.com (James Dodds) Date: Fri Mar 18 03:40:54 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: <20050318084052.84307.qmail@web14027.mail.yahoo.com> There is a good report on the Hall of Fame ceremony on Monday in New York at http://www.ijamming.net which is the site of the author Tony Fletcher. There are also a few pictures and some Eric Clapton content. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 04:26:40 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Fri Mar 18 04:26:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Tone's comments Message-ID: <20050318092641.32232.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tone wrote: "we're left comparing Take It Back, Blue Condition, We're Going Wrong and Pressed Rat to....... Yellow Submarine, When I'm Sixty-Four, Marrakesh Express, and Twentieth Century Fox Guess which ones I think are stronger songs. (just my opinion, mind you)" Tone, I wish I could respond in more detail but my whole music collection is in storage in California while I'm currently in London. I didn't mention "Blonde on Blonde" and other Dylan or some of the West Coast bands. As you say, we are in the realm of personal preference here. I do think "When I'm Sixty Four" or "Yellow Submarine" are more likely to be covered by other artists than the Cream songs I mentioned. (Not as likely as "Yesterday" or "In My Life".) Personally I would rather listen to "20th Century Fox" than any of those Cream songs and I still enjoy "Marrakesh" (just saw Crosby & Nash do it here in London) although it is nowhere close to one of my favorite CSN songs. I think it still endures as a light pop song more than the Cream songs. I can see C&N doing it now (as I just did) but not Cream doing many, if any, of the songs I mentioned. My opinion is that the Cream albums were carried by certain really good or great songs PLUS the guitar approach, the individual virtuosity, the fusion of rock and blues. That is what made them great albums. I don't think "The Doors" would have suffered as much without "Light My Fire", CSN without "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" or "Beggars Banquet" (I'll stick to the right decade!) without "Street Fighting Man" or "Sympathy" as "Disraeli" would without "Sunshine" and "Ulysses" or "Wheels of Fire" without "White Room" and "Crossroads". Only my opinion, but I feel the low points in the Cream albums were lower than in many other highly rated albums of the time. I'm not saying there weren't great albums but I think it is for factors other than consistency of song quality. One other thing that occurs to me is that I think the late 60s were an evolutionary period for the album. 45s were still huge, Sgt Pepper was monumental because it was probably the first concept album. Albums were in a transitory period between playing second fiddle to 45s (artists originally did not put their singles on their albums) to including the singles on the album and filling it up with, well, "filler". We were only just getting to the point where albums started to flow as whole entity (e.g. Tommy, Abbey Road side 2, Dark Side of the Moon). So I guess I agree with you in the sense that the Cream studio output was not too much different in terms of song quality than most albums of the time. But my original point was just that they were great albums despite this, for the reasons I mentioned above, and that given the recent criticism of some of the more recent EC output, not all EC output in the 60s was fantastic either. Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 05:52:57 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Mar 18 05:53:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Introducing A Friend ... Message-ID: <001001c52ba8$a6b420d0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Looking at the choices so far, I think it rather presumptuous to assume >> that a friend would automatically be turned on to great guitar solos by >> Eric and love his music firstly for that fact and then for the music. << Wow! That's exactly my experience: people loved Clapton for his guitar playing. I was able to turn on a number of friends not only to Clapton, but to Freddie King, Robert Johnson, BB King, John Mayall, and Muddy Waters precisely because of Clapton's guitar playing. In fact, Clapton is largely credited with turning a whole generation of people on to the blues. The next sentences usually went something like this: "What the hell was THAT? Was that a guitar solo? Who is that guy? That's incredible! Play that again. Nah, that can't be a guitar, NOBODY plays guitar like that!" Of course, this was the 1960s and the Ventures, who played TV theme songs, were thought to be the masters of the guitar. Nowadays, I do not show up at friends' homes, unannounced, with LPs tucked under my arm, saying, "You gotta hear this." So, I really don't have anything with which to compare it. But somehow, I don't think too many kids show up, unannounced, at their friends' homes, with copies of "Me And Mr. Johnson" saying, "You just gotta hear this!" DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050318/99af664e/attachment.html From whereseric at optonline.net Fri Mar 18 07:14:07 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Fri Mar 18 07:14:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] News from WE: Hyde Park 69 DVD / Eric Clapton Visual Documentary Message-ID: The Where's ERIC! Website has again been updated. On 30 May, Blind Faith's Hyde Park concert will be released on DVD. It will run 58 minutes and also include clips of Cream, Family, Spencer Davis Group and Traffic. Also, Eric is putting together the ultimate visual documentary of his career and is looking for rare footage (all formats) and photographs taken by his fans. More info and how to get in touch with the project coordinators is contained in the article at whereseric.com, as well as Eric's official website. Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From trevork1 at iinet.net.au Fri Mar 18 08:52:54 2005 From: trevork1 at iinet.net.au (Trevor) Date: Fri Mar 18 08:53:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream Re-Union Message-ID: <000001c52bc1$c9766830$70b33bcb@xp> Just found this web site:- http://www.icemagazine.com/forums/msgs.cfm?msg=136182 &forum=1&tz=-480 Just for info Trevor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050318/928ebc66/attachment.html From bluesman13 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 09:25:46 2005 From: bluesman13 at yahoo.com (bluesman13) Date: Fri Mar 18 09:25:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fw: Cream, Beano ... Message-ID: <20050318142546.27697.qmail@web40610.mail.yahoo.com> DN pontificated: >> My personal opinion is that John Mayall accompanied Clapton's guitar playing better than ANY other musician of Clapton's career... snipped.<<< I agree with DN on this one. But no matter what you think of Mayalls voice (or musicianship), he has to be regarded as THE promoter and scout of talented British guitar players. Whatever his intention is/was, he created a vehicle for a handful of the most talented rock/blues guitar players ever. In addition, Mayall stills tours, sets up all his own equipment, and when Robin Ford opened for him a few years ago, he was sitting on the side by the stage enjoying the show like everyone else. Also, he remains approachable,humble, and a really nice guy. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From lukpac at lukpac.org Fri Mar 18 10:46:29 2005 From: lukpac at lukpac.org (Luke Pacholski) Date: Fri Mar 18 10:31:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Cream - mediocre, blah blah blah In-Reply-To: <20050318081714.7E3B88CB94@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Tone, re: > I'll try to make it easier: > > What albums from '66 were better than Fresh Cream? Revolver, Aftermath, many more I'm not thinking of now. > What albums from '67 were better than Disraeli Gears? Sgt. Pepper, Between The Buttons, The Who Sell Out, Younger Than Yesterday, Buffalo Springfield, Buffalo Springfield Again, The Doors, Strange Days, Mr. Fantasy, Days of Future Passed, etc. > What albums from '68 were better than Wheels Of Fire? White Album, Beggars Banquet, Last Time Around, Traffic, etc. > What albums from '69 were better than Goodbye? Let It Bleed, Abbey Road, Crosby Stills & Nash, Tommy, etc. > Now, as I said before, I'm not saying these albums were the best > of their respective years. I'm saying they are great albums, consistently > improving on their previous release. And as albums from these years, stand > high. I basically agree on all counts, except perhaps Goodbye. > Okay, once we've eliminated the songs and albums that do not relate to the > original post, we're left comparing Take It Back, Blue Condition, We're > Going Wrong and Pressed Rat to....... > > Yellow Submarine, When I'm Sixty-Four, Marrakesh Express, and Twentieth > Century Fox > > Guess which ones I think are stronger songs. (just my opinion, mind you) Personally I think Marrakesh Express and Twentieth Century Fox are still stronger, but that's just me. But that isn't the point. I do like those Cream albums, honest. But as whole albums, I'm not sure they quite stack up. While I don't think *any* of the albums in question have many "bad" songs, I do think those Cream albums have - in general - fewer "great" songs in comparison. > And speaking of albums from 1967, let's take one album from one of the bands > you're suggesting, but from the correct period. The Rolling Stones - > Between The Buttons (1967). Give me a run down on how > these songs compare with those on Disraeli Gears. Couldn't disagree more. A great, and really underrated Stones album, in either (US or UK) configuration. Luke From susbastille at msn.com Fri Mar 18 13:13:07 2005 From: susbastille at msn.com (Susan Marchman) Date: Fri Mar 18 13:13:12 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] intro to EC Message-ID: As a toddler in the late sixties/young child in the early seventies, I was somewhat introduced to all the great stuff by older cousins (and FM) always playing the Beatles, Cream, Hendrix, etc. When I was old enough to put my allowance to good use as a young teen in the late seventies, I first bought everything Beatles. It was then (at a truly conscious age) that I heard the solo on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and realized, "Wow, this is something EXTRA SPECIAL!" While I had already been aware of Clapton and loved his songs, I still hadn't yet discovered fully who he was. It wasn't until I was awestruck with that solo that my "magnificent obsession" for EC began. I think most people (even my 77 year-old Dad) have at least a passing sense of EC's songs...play them a solo!!!! susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050318/fb821449/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 13:41:06 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Fri Mar 18 13:41:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] What albumes were better than ... Message-ID: <031820051841.55.423B20C2000D0486000000372200751150050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> It's really all a matter of opinion: I think the Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's" began their downward slide (I think "Rubber Soul" and "Revolver" were the Beatles' apogee). Others like "Sgt. Pepper's." Some like Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. I think that grown men should not try to sound like little cherubs with undescended testicles (I'll never understand why they didn't they wear tutus at Woodstock). Although I owned the first 2 or 3 Doors albums when they were LPs, I don't own any Doors CDs and really don't care for them at all nowadays (Oliver Stone really helped me arrive at this conclusion: I'm not into the "Lizard King"). "Aftermath"? The Rolling Stones best album, in my opinion. But I like "Fresh Cream" more. We'll NEVER agree on this. Everybody's different, with different tastes. However, "Fresh Cream" was only my second favorite album of 1966. So, in 1966, what album was better than "Fresh Cream"? Well, how about "Beano"? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Massachusetts, Baah) On a related note, here's a bit of news: John Mayall to headline Blues Festival http://www.tbsource.com/InTheBay/index.asp?cid=73787 "John Mayall has actually run an incredibly great school for musicians," said old Slowhand himself, who spent a brief period of time on stage alongside Mayall, long enough to produce the landmark album Blues Breakers With Eric Clapton, which took the world by storm upon its release in 1966. JM From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 14:00:23 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (deltanick@comcast.net) Date: Fri Mar 18 14:00:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: John Mayall Message-ID: <031820051900.11294.423B25470008DAB600002C1E2200748184050C07020E9B040A0B@comcast.net> >> [N]o matter what you think of Mayall's voice (or musicianship), he has to be regarded as THE promoter and scout of talented British guitar players. Whatever his intention is/was, he created a vehicle for a handful of the most talented rock/blues guitar players ever. << That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! >> In addition, Mayall still tours, sets up all his own equipment, and when Robin Ford opened for him a few years ago, he was sitting on the side by the stage enjoying the show like everyone else. Also, he remains approachable, humble, and a really nice guy. << John Mayall is a treasure in both the UK (he's British) and the US (he's lived here since ~1969). He has more blues knowledge in his little toe than most gain in a lifetime of performing. The man writes, arranges, sings, plays a multitude of instruments well, and has probably been the most consistent white ambassador of the blues in history. As I wrote yesterday, he's 71 and as fit as a 30-year-old. Yes, he unloads, sets up, breaks down, and reloads his own equipment at performances, and he's humble enough to come down to the fan level and speak to us (I have had a number of e-mail exchanges with the man). Although his name is not a household word, nor is he a mega-popular superstar, he's been a professional since 1963, and he's earned the deepest respect from the best professional musicians, such as Eric Clapton, BB King, Freddie King, Albert King, Jack Bruce, Buddy Guy, Peter Green, John Lee Hooker, ... I could go on and on, but you get the point. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But YOU might like 'em, and I think they fit the criteria for a "supergroup," if by supergroup we mean favorites from other former groups banding together. So, let's play a game and see how many OTHER "supergroups" we can identify that preceded Blind Faith. I'll bet we can identify a bunch more. Better yet, let's just drop the term "supergroup" altogether, because we probably can't agree what was, is, and will be a "supergroup" among ourselves. Now, allow me to add one more thought. Considering the groups mentioned above, my opinion is that Eric Clapton And The Powerhouse, Cream, and Blind Faith were all super groups. But I'll bet many of you think that the Beatles and the Rolling Stones are super as well. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A small amount of downloading will take place, artwork and info file. See you there. John From brucespringsteenfan at semo.net Fri Mar 18 17:23:57 2005 From: brucespringsteenfan at semo.net (Kelly Murphy) Date: Fri Mar 18 17:24:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Fw: Visit the Eric Clapton Store on March 30th! Message-ID: <004401c52c09$30ff1b40$948b29d8@Kelly> My Clapton forum: http://slowhand.proboards29.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Clapton To: brucespringsteenfan@semo.net Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: Visit the Eric Clapton Store on March 30th! Visit the Eric Clapton Store on March 30th! March 30th is Eric Clapton's Birthday And this year the Eric Clapton online store is giving a gift to you. Check out EricClapton.com/store on March 30th 2005 to celebrate Eric Clapton's birthday and browse over 60 items ranging from clothing to accessories, Eric Clapton music and collectables. Additionally, Eric Clapton needs your help! We're putting together the definitive visual documentary of Eric Clapton's entire career. It's a monumental task, and we need your help. We're looking for rare video and photographs of Eric taken by you, for inclusion in the project. If you have pictures, film, video, super 8, or other visual media please contact us at wmgmt2@yahoo.com. For more information please visit EricClapton.com You will be credited and compensated if your footage is used. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this newsletter, visit the below URL: Unsubscribe Please include the lines below in any replies: ID: I=43120&M=276&C=1170666881&E=14380853 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll ask Richard Batty to answer if Buffalo Springfield was real popular in the UK back then. Stephen Stills website does call CSN a Supergroup. Scott Wallenberg <<>>> From mowdamowda at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 20:28:33 2005 From: mowdamowda at hotmail.com (Shanahan) Date: Fri Mar 18 20:28:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Supergroups Message-ID: If you just follow the articles in the NME and Melody Maker in 1969 The first rock supergroup (mentioned in the music press) at least here in Europe was Clapton, Winwood, Baker If you follow similar articles in The Mosman Daily (a free weekly from a Sydney suburb) in 1969 The first rock supergroup(s) (mentioned in the music pages of said daily) at least here in Australia, were The Trend, and Bitter Weed Path. Just because some flea bit journo at the other end of the earth says The Trend and Bitter Weed Path were the first supergroups don't make it so. Just because some flea bit journo at the top end of the earth decides to hype a headline and say Blind Faith was the first supergroup don't make it so either. I've even read somewhere in the music press that the REAL FIRST SUPERGROUP, CREAM, is supposedly reforming. Give me a break. As you all know, you just can't believe everything you read in the music papers, can you? Now if you will excuse me I must be on my way Tone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 From deltanick at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 21:24:23 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Fri Mar 18 21:24:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: "Supergroups" Message-ID: <002501c52c2a$c572c990$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Read the back coverr of "Fresh Cream." If that doesn't denote a "supergroup," then I don't know what does. It's really a silly term in the first place: pure hype. If you dislike Blind Faith, how could they be a "supergroup" to you? Were the Beatles a "supergroup"? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050318/073f1df4/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Fri Mar 18 22:02:33 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 18 22:02:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Albums Message-ID: <85.23bb6696.2f6cf049@aol.com> What albums from '68 were better than Wheels Of Fire? MUsic From Big Pink -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Featured are instrumental versions of tracks like Cream’s “Sunshine Of Your Love” and “Tax Free.” Other highlights include the seldom included “Manic Depression” and an early “Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)”, which was to close the soon to be released Electric Ladyland" Full tracklist: DISC 1: Fire / Manic Depression / Sunshine Of Your Love / Spanish Castle Magic / Are You Experienced / Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) / Like A Rolling Stone DISC 2: Red House / Killing Floor / Tax Free / Foxy Lady / Hey Joe / Purple Haze / Wild Thing. £12.99. ----- In October 1968, Clapton had thoroughly tired of "longer jams." Cream was on its Farewell Tour. So, I ask: Who was in the lead? Who set the trend? Who influenced whom? Jimi was just getting there, but Eric had already "been there, done that." DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim Jackson Work: James.T.Jackson@lmco.com Home: JHawk@twcny.rr.com Web: Echoes@classicrock.com Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:18:50 EST From: Cobhome@aol.com Subject: [Slowhand] Albums To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Message-ID: <7a.6f7a9634.2f6cf41a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think people get a bit carried away here - the 60's - when Cream was doing their fantastic thing - was a very exciting time in music and great music was being made all over - new musical genres were being created - it was a hard time to claim number one - CReam was PART of this amazing environment - . as a reminder - 1966 Blonde on Blonde - Revolver - 1967 the bryds - Dylan's John Wesley Harding - buffalo springfield - aretha frankling - jefferson airplane - the stones - velvet underground - otis redding - jimi hendrix - The Who - the Kinks - all released cd's in 67 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050319/4b885a44/attachment.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 19 10:00:04 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Sat Mar 19 10:00:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] 60's/hendrix&EC, etc. In-Reply-To: <20050319135922.99F468CA3F@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Since I wasn't alive back then, I can't speak as to how the Cream albums were taken by the critics and the public, but from what I've read, it was definitely a mixed bag. Seems that anything Eric was involved in post Mayall, the critics (mainstream) seemed to scrutinize him 10x. There were so many innovative and "genius" albums in the 60's, just along the time Cream formed and disbanded, it was the Stones golden years, Beach Boys released Pet Sounds, the Who were just coming up, The Beatles were in transition, and Bob Dylan was doing his electric thing. Not to forget, but Miles Davis and Coltrane were also doing inventive things in the jazz arena as was Ray charles and others in soul. I wonder too also, about the symbiotic, leader/follower relationship between Hendrix and EC. It's certan Jimi was enamored with Eric's playing on Beano and wanted to meet him, then came to London, did his thing and soon he became the media darling and the ultimate showman. the Winterland performances that are to be released, Jimi's I mean, I have heard bits and pieces and dont reflect the same type of 'jamming' as we heard in Cream. Jimi was clearly the leader of his band and directed the flow of almost everything on stage, whereas Cream had on stage relative equals, of course Clapton getting the lion share of the applause, but I don't think we can compare the Cream/JHE in terms of who followed who and who copied who. By 68, the JHE was just in its maybe 2nd year of existence, correct? By then, Cream was on its last legs, while I don't doubt there was some obvious influence, with JHE playing SOYL more as a tribute to Cream rather than a copy-cat version. So bottom line is we need to be careful, yes I am sure the quotes of the time have Jimi saying nothing but good things about Eric and the Cream, but really they made night and day different music, to my ears. I guess it's amazing the 6 albums between them, JHE's debut, Axis and Electric Ladyland, Fresh Cream, Disraeli and Wheels. Wow.. Many bands would have killed to make two of those records. I think what probably happened was a good give/take of ideas/influences. Jimi came greatly in debt to Eric for inspiration then created his own style, more pop and riff driven, then psychedelia ensued, Eric got the painted SG, patterned his hairstyle after Dylan/Hendrix, Hendrix dropped the pop song format, got into "jamming", and by that time Cream was done, but Hendrix recorded an album that combined everythign he had done the past 2 years.. Interesting times. AAP From bluesview at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 10:28:37 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Sat Mar 19 10:28:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Albums - Super Groups References: <7a.6f7a9634.2f6cf41a@aol.com> Message-ID: <002e01c52c98$52d5ed90$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: Cobhome@aol.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: [Slowhand] Albums I think people get a bit carried away here - the 60's - when Cream was doing their fantastic thing - was a very exciting time in music and great music was being made all over - new musical genres were being created - it was a hard time to claim number one - CReam was PART of this amazing environment - . as a reminder - 1966 Blonde on Blonde - Revolver - 1967 the bryds - Dylan's John Wesley Harding - buffalo springfield - aretha frankling - jefferson airplane - the stones - velvet underground - otis redding - jimi hendrix - The Who - the Kinks - all released cd's in 67 1968 The White Album - Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison - Lady Soul - Astral Weeks - Bookends - 1969 Abbey Road - Nashiville Skyline - Dusty in Memphis I am sure the experts on this site can add even more and better - Cecelia **************************************************************************************************************************** 1968 Super Session Michael Bloomfield, Al Kooper, Stephen Stills BV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As I wrote yesterday, he's 71 and as fit as a 30-year-old. Yes, he unloads, sets up, breaks down, and reloads his own equipment at performances, and he's humble enough to come down to the fan level and speak to us (I have had a number of e-mail exchanges with the man). Although his name is not a household word, nor is he a mega-popular superstar, he's been a professional since 1963, and he's earned the deepest respect from the best professional musicians, such as Eric Clapton, BB King, Freddie King, Albert King, Jack Bruce, Buddy Guy, Peter Green, John Lee Hooker, ... I could go on and on, but you get the point. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bluesview at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 19:38:48 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Sat Mar 19 19:38:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] re:John Mayall References: <20050319161849.57219.qmail@web81702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c52ce5$2e841c30$6401a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mel Boss To: deltanick@comcast.net ; slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: [Slowhand] re:John Mayall Well said Nick! Humility is a wonderful trait among the best artists and most admirable. Our favorite performance surprise of last year was seeing (and talking to) Roy Rogers and Norton Buffalo after their show at Freight and Salvage, Berkley last summer. They're 10-20 yrs JM's junior, but they are in the same "club." Mel John Mayall is a treasure in both the UK (he's British) and the US (he's lived here since ~1969). He has more blues knowledge in his little toe than most gain in a lifetime of performing. The man writes, arranges, sings, plays a multitude of instruments well, and has probably been the most consistent white ambassador of the blues in history. As I wrote yesterday, he's 71 and as fit as a 30-year-old. Yes, he unloads, sets up, breaks down, and reloads his own equipment at performances, and he's humble enough to come down to the fan level and speak to us (I have had a number of e-mail exchanges with the man). Although his name is not a household word, nor is he a mega-popular superstar, he's been a professional since 1963, and he's earned the deepest respect from the best professional musicians, such as Eric Clapton, BB King, Freddie King, Albert King, Jack Bruce, Buddy Guy, Peter Green, John Lee Hooker, ... I could go on and on, but you get the point. ******************************************************************************************** On the Me and Mr. Johnson DVD, during an interview, Eric mentioned when he was living or hanging out with John Mayall, he had access to probably the largest blues recording collection in the world. Mayall also suggested songs he thought Eric should record. BV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050319/057f9a31/attachment.html From gaetano.villari at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 21:14:33 2005 From: gaetano.villari at gmail.com (Gaetano Villari) Date: Sat Mar 19 21:14:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] offer by Lynn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2fcd9d41050319181469e69788@mail.gmail.com> Message to list members by Lynn Steinhauer: >>> hi gaetano-- i don't think my last e-mail was clear. i am not able to post to the digest for some technical reason i don't understand. could you let them know for me that i will send out 5 copies of the cardiff cd 3 with burners, 2 without to the first 5 who send me their address. thanks! Lynn From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 22:45:07 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sat Mar 19 22:45:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: John Mayall (Part 2) Message-ID: <00bf01c52cff$36624660$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> (Continued) Dan Forte: A lot of guitarists talk about this sort of zone they get into on their best nights when the guitar almost seems to be playing itself. When does that take place? Eric Clapton: For me, it comes from outside as much as inside. I’m very, very influenced by the band. If everyone is playing really well, you can’t help being inspired by that, and that drives you on, and suddenly you get to this point where you know that everyone, including you, is having a great time -- and you’re at the front of it, having the greatest time of all. You get to what seems like a peak. But suddenly you start thinking about what a great time you’re having, and then it’s gone. Or what I always do, without fail, is hit a bum note. I’ll be really out there flying -- I think, “God, I’m flying!” -- then [hums a sour note] and it’s all over. [Laughs.] Everyone in the band just goes, “Aw, man!” You look around, and they’re all smiling. But if you can get to that, you can get back up there within the space of a few minutes. DF: Did those nights happen more often when you were a certain age or with a certain band? Eric Clapton: I think with Mayall’s band, it was always very easy. With all the bands I’ve been with, I’ve found that time and place where you could just fly. Blind Faith was so short-lived, we didn’t ever really groove. When we were / rehearsing and hanging out before we ever toured, we did a lot of great stuff (Eric Clapton, as quoted in Dan Forte, "Clapton - 1985: The Interview," "Guitar Player," July 1985, pp. 74, 75). ... DM: Everybody assumes you were with The Yardbirds or that you were with The Bluesbreakers a long time, but in actual fact it was a matter of months in both cases. EC: No, I went very quickly through all those things. I mean, Cream was like a year and a half or something and even with John Mayall, I was only half there. I was so unreliable, so irresponsible. I would sometimes just not show up at gigs and that’s how Peter Green was asked to play -- because I was not there. I went to see John last year [1993] to actually make amends: I looked back and realised how badly I’d behaved, I mean ... (David Mead, “Eric Clapton: The Guitarist Interview,” "Guitarist" (UK), June 1994, p. 26). ... On the other hand, Mayall has always praised Clapton's musical abilities: GP: Clapton made the transition to a hard rock blues sound. Mayall: At that time Cream was totally original, so it was really an accomplished thing. But then everybody started to copy it. So everything you heard after that was a Cream copy. He couldn’t stand all that, being written about and everything (Fred Stuckey, “John Mayall: On Eric Clapton, Peter Green, Mick Taylor, Jon Mark and American Bluesmen,” "Guitar Player," December 1970, p. 42). ... “[T]here’s never been a guitar player like Eric, as regards blues -- in my opinion, there never will be. He was a one-off” (John Mayall, as quoted in The Editors of Guitar Player, “Reflections On Eric Clapton,” "Guitar Player," July 1985, p. 37). DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050319/778c9b47/attachment-0001.html From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 22:45:06 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sat Mar 19 22:45:18 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: John Mayall (Part 1) Message-ID: <00be01c52cff$364807a0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I'm a little surprised at the all the love Mayall receives here. I >> thought most tried to tune out his singing while listening to the guitar. >> I actually can't think of a worse singer, songwriter (blues songwriters >> are even spotted the 3 chords). And his costumes are even ridiculous. >> Clapton admitted to joining the Bluesbreakers becasue they were the only >> band doing hardcore blues. He and the other bandmates would often make >> fun of him during shows. I do respect what he tried to do with the Blues. >> << Mayall receives a lot of respect from many people because he deserves it. The comment about "tuning out" his singing may be true for some who don't care for the blues, but people who understand what's going on -- his voice has a "unique" tone (he can't help it), but his singing skills aren't bad at all -- have an appreciation. Again, Mayall's vocal on "Double Crossing Time," a song he co-wrote with Clapton, is pretty damn good: see if you can hit all those notes the same way. I can think of PLENTY worse singers and songwriters. Yes, Mayall was fond of Southwestern and American Indian jewelry and clothing, during the '60s (VERY common back then), but he pretty much wears what everyone else wears today. Don't forget, Clapton wore pink pants, beads, rings a-plenty, and an Afro with Cream. Jim Morrison wore leather suits, and Elton John wore a duck suit (yes, quack, quack). Clapton badmouthed lots of people when he was young, many of whom were popular, including the Yardbirds, Mayall, Cream ... do you see a pattern? Clapton has also praised Mayall, as you've already read in these pages. Twelve years ago, in 1993, Clapton decided that because he'd previously been such a jerk, he went to John Mayall and apologized for that behavior. This was 27 years after leaving Mayall's band! Here are some quotes from Clapton regarding Mayall: Jim Szantor: Which group thus far in your career has given you the most satisfaction musically? Eric Clapton: Up until now … John Mayall, really. It was very simple, down-to-earth blues. There was no fooling around, no bantering. We just did very lonely tours of England, playing little clubs -- very little money, six or seven nights a week; two, three or four sets -- just playing the blues. J.S.: Did you think this experience would provide a sort of jumping-off point for going out and doing your own thing? E.C: Well, I had that illusion at the time. I played with Mayall for about a year and a half and then I thought: well, now I can go on to my own thing, but I was sadly wrong. Well, you can’t do anything on your own (Jim Szantor, “Rock Roots: An Interview With Eric Clapton,” "Down Beat," 11 June 1970, p. 14). ... Tommy Vance: Way back in the 60s and in the very early stages of your career - prior to Cream, the supergroup of all time in the minds of just about all rock fans around the world - which were your most gratifying periods then? Was it with Mayall? Eric Clapton: Yeah, doubtless with Mayall, ‘cause we worked hard. We worked about seven nights a week, sometimes two shows a night in different places and my chops were probably better than they ever have been. That was really the peak, I think, and that’s why I think I felt a lot of disappointment when I was with Cream was because I was doing something that wasn’t quite the same and I was unfamiliar with the territory. You know it was -- that’s what we invented -- a new fusion of music. None of it was familiar, I mean, Ginger didn’t know anything about rock’n’roll, for instance, Jack was into a form of very free jazz, and I was straight into the blues. The three of us had to communicate somehow and put a melting pot together. That’s how that happened, but I think pre- that, Mayall had to be the one where I really felt most at home. TV: In many ways what you’ve done since the time you were with Mayall to me is very similar to what Mayall did. EC: Yeah, you mean like run-a-band-and-let-musicians-walk-through-it kind of thing? TV: Yeah, and find talent and use talent. I don’t mean use it in a derogatory sense, but blend with it. EC: Yeah, I think that’s perfectly acceptable. It’s a funny role to be cast in, though, ‘cause poor old John -- everyone takes the mickey out of him behind his back -- but when you look at it, he’s actually run an incredibly great school for musicians. I mean most of the people that have gone through his school have turned out pretty well. I mean he’s a good father figure. He always … he never made it, sort of, he never gave me terms like you can’t leave this band once you get good, you’re staying with it. It was always, like, once you’ve got your own feet, get on your way. I think that’s a good way to be. TV: But you intimate there that it’s a difficult thing to do, a difficult way to be. EC: Well, I don’t think I could fulfill that role the way he did yet. I mean when I joined him I was about 20 and he was about 35 -- which is what I am now -- but he had a hell of a lot of responsibilities on his hands. I mean he used to take care of everything, the bookings, everything. I prefer to just take it easy a little bit more than that (Tommy Vance, “The Eric Clapton Special,” "Rock Hour," BBC Radio 1, 20 April 1980). (To Be Continued) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050319/be6f63c4/attachment-0001.html From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 20 10:54:47 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Sun Mar 20 10:54:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RnR HoF Telecast Message-ID: Interesting viewing last night. Nothing tremendously musically exciting, good to see BB and Eric induct Buddy, in fact BB seemed to laud Eric just as much as the man he was inducting, saying something to the effect that Eric is the best blues/rock guitarist, but Buddy comes close.. Funny. Eric's speech was heartfelt, warm, albeit read from a teleprompter it seemed. The jam they showed, Eric, BB and BUddy was nothing special, to me at least. Eric played a couple of solos, nothing out of the ordinary, using a Blackie guitar as its been reported. The U2 induction seemed to take up almost an hour, they probably performed a mini concert.. lol. i love u2 but it was like the u2 rnr hof induction. AAP From bluesman13 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 12:48:11 2005 From: bluesman13 at yahoo.com (bluesman13) Date: Sun Mar 20 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Mayall Message-ID: <20050320174811.37385.qmail@web40622.mail.yahoo.com> airmacks95 at yahoo.com brashly commented: >>>Clapton admitted to joining the Bluesbreakers becasue they were the only band doing hardcore blues. He and the other bandmates would often make fun of him during shows.<<< I've never heard that before. Please state your source for this information... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From gwornex at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 13:03:09 2005 From: gwornex at yahoo.com (Greg Wenker) Date: Sun Mar 20 13:03:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] super group super schmoop Message-ID: <20050320180309.44050.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com> A 'super group' always meant to me a group composed of people who had PREVIOUSLY achieved 'WIDESPREAD'(that means outside of NYC and London, Nick) fame with other groups....... The members of CREAM were certainly not widely known in the States prior to their formation, irregardless of the hype you read on the back of an album jacket....(I was a teenager then so I remember) EC and Powerhouse were a one off session group that did three cuts on an obscure compilation album in '66, none of whom again were widely known at the time... As far as Steampacket goes, allow ME to quote the following from the All Music guide... "Because their ranks included a future superstar, the Steampacket have received more attention than they really deserve. Featuring vocalists Rod Stewart, Long John Baldry, and Julie Driscoll, as well as organist Brian Auger, misleading reissues of the group's demos bill the act as "the first supergroup." That's simply not the case." The defence rests your honor, g.w. From airmacks95 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 13:09:49 2005 From: airmacks95 at yahoo.com (Steve B) Date: Sun Mar 20 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 179 In-Reply-To: <20050320034522.0B4B18C6B5@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050320180949.67836.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> DeltaNick wrote "Mayall receives a lot of respect from many people because he deserves it. The comment about "tuning out" his singing may be true for some who don't care for the blues, but people who understand what's going on -- his voice has a "unique" tone (he can't help it), but his singing skills aren't bad..." Are you hard of hearing? Explain to me what's "going on", cause I don't understand. Anyone who doesn't like Mayall's singing doesn't "care for the blue?" Puh-lease. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From atajs at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 14:44:22 2005 From: atajs at comcast.net (atajs@comcast.net) Date: Sun Mar 20 14:44:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] tickets Message-ID: <032020051944.20437.423DD295000E368600004FD522007481849C060E9B0E@comcast.net> Hello Everyone, Anyone with xtra ticket or tickets to Royal albert Hall Concert and wants to get rid of them please contact me will gladly take off your hands. Just thought i woulf give it a try. Thanks, Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050320/f0b56297/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 15:35:13 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sun Mar 20 15:35:21 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Am I hard of hearing? Message-ID: <001201c52d8c$532d0d60$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> DeltaNick wrote "Mayall receives a lot of respect from many people >> because he deserves it. The comment about "tuning out" his singing may be >> true for some who don't care for the blues, but people who understand what's going on -- his voice has a "unique" tone (he can't help it), but his singing skills aren't bad ..." Are you hard of hearing? Explain to me what's "going on", cause I don't understand. Anyone who doesn't like Mayall's singing doesn't "care for the blue?" Puh-lease. << Many people find it hard to listen to the blues, and are much more comfortable listening to pop music instead. I know that many Eric Clapton fans remarked, when he was on the Nothing But The Blues Tour (which coincided with release of the all-blues "From The Cradle") that they were extremely disappointed that he didn't play HIS hit records, like "Cocaine," Sunshine Of You Love," and "Wonderful Tonight." Comments such as, "We came to hear Eric Clapton, and he plays music from these dead black guys" were heard. There were some who walked out of his concerts during the Nothing But The Blues Tour because of this. However, those who know the blues and are its best exponents and performers would never say what you wrote. Read this next sentence carefully: People who understand what's going on -- his [Mayall's] voice has a "unique" tone (he can't help it), but his singing skills aren't bad -- have an appreciation." The blues is about heartfelt feelings and passionate expression. If one has a terrible voice, but he can do something with it, isn't that more exciting than listening to someone who has a "perfect" voice, but his or her singing has little expression? Actually, that's what I hear with singers, such as John Mayall, Bob Dylan, and Tom Waits. All of them are doing well in their careers today. And they've been doing it for decades. Mayall's voice may not be your taste, but you did write in your last sentence that you respected what he did. Your previous words, however, say exactly the opposite. I have no problem with Mayall's vocals, although I admit that his voice is a bit "different" from that of most well-known singers. Again, Mayall didn't choose that voice, it's what God gave him. But I do like what he's done with it. Where is Gary Puckett today, or Jay Black? So, quite the contrary, I think my hearing is pretty good. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's our opinion - it's not right or wrong. We are entitled to it. Who are you to say we don't know what's going on? I'm really sick and tired of your condescending and insulting comments, giving the impression you are right about everything and the rest of us are wrong if we don't agree with you. Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From eric.lacroix at free.fr Sun Mar 20 16:51:14 2005 From: eric.lacroix at free.fr (Eric Lacroix) Date: Sun Mar 20 16:51:16 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Paris and Cardiff DVD offers Message-ID: <1111355474.7652.8.camel@blackie> Thanks to JuanMa, I'm able to offer 3 copies of each of these shows: The Paris 2004 DVD and Cardiff 2005 DVD concerts. These are PAL DVDs. Eric. From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 17:24:40 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Sun Mar 20 17:24:42 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RNR HoF Induction Message-ID: <20050320222440.86507.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Haven't watched the complete broadcast yet. When did Buddy Guy go Kojak? There must be consulting firms that are paid to go through the magazines and reading material available in doctors' waiting rooms and the like, and remove anything interesting. As usual, we aren't allowed to see the "complete" ceremony, but what some low-level editors *think* we should be allowed to see - or, more to the point, to clip out the really *interesting* stuff ;) Am I the only one who is amused every year by the fact that the induction ceremonies are held in NYC, instead of at the HoF in Cleveland? Presumably because the elites, lead by the oh-so-snobbish NY and L.A. crowds presumably could not hold their noses long enough to be subjected to a day or two in what they consider "flyover country" if the ceremonies were held in Cleveland? C'mon, it would be more fun just to hold the ceremonies there, and the discomfort of the elites would just make it all the more fun to watch. Now for the interesting part, in reading the review written by Hugh Ochoa posted at: http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/000477.html I found the following quote interesting: -------- "I say, Eric Clapton, man." Guy sings again. "Won’t ya hit a sweet note for me." Clapton replies the way only he could with his famous "woman tone" on his Stratocaster. -------- I can't but chuckle in knowing that poor Mr. Ochoa will soon be subjected to DeltaNick's passionate objection, considering that the terms "woman tone" and "stratocaster" were used in the same sentance. Mr Ochoa ... brace for impact! AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From joeyjay at att.net Mon Mar 21 02:27:12 2005 From: joeyjay at att.net (joeyjay@att.net) Date: Mon Mar 21 02:27:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Eric, Ginger and Jack Message-ID: <032120050727.4951.423E774F000891AE000013572160280748970E06970A0106@att.net> Delta Nick and Slowhanders, I have to apologize to all. Last week I found myself so angry and reactionary about the content of a writer that Delta Nick posted about. I was very tired and expressed myself with inappropriate language. BTW, it had nothing to do with you, Delta Nick. You have tremendous credibility with me. Over the years, I have read the things you've written and I have a lot of respect for your viewpoints and knowledge. So much of the time, we are very much on the same wave length. You know, I hang out with a lot of the very best musicians in South Florida. I count them amongst my close friends. To a man, they express that if they can still be playing "balls to walls" rock and blues at an age similar to Eric, why can't he show more of that????? This is a valid argument. Sometimes, I wish I could pick Eric's songlist. If people like me and a lot of us could pick Eric's setlist, I think a whole lot more of EC fans would be happier. I'm not sure why Eric makes the decisions he does, but the one constant is that his guitar talent is amazing. Eric, for me, is the ultimate. People can make any argument they want about Hendrix etc, but Eric has always touched my soul like no other. Duane is a close second to my ears. I really wished Duane had lived..........Hendrix is somewhere in the mix, but not even close to Eric and Duane as far as touching my soul. Also, I was so surprised to see the low regard in which Ginger Baker was held amongst members of the Slowhand group. I simply don't see it the same way. I understand the argument for Steve Gadd, but he just doesn't reach my soul like Ginger Baker has always done. The same for Jack Bruce. What an amazing musician Jack is. Both Ginger and Jack are astounding in the depth of their talent. No amount of Steve Gadd talk can diminish the incredible contribution Ginger has made to the drums. And why hasn't anyone mentioned Buddy Rich??? IMHO, Steve Gadd couldn't even shine Buddy's shoes, nor could he shine Gene Krupas. For me, the same could be said of Ginger. Ginger has such an unsurpassed command of complex rhythms and forget how wonderfully lyrical he is. I just don't get the Steve Gadd argument in the way that it has been pushed. Give me Ginger any day and I know my ears would appreciate it a lot more. Cheers, JoeyJay From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 02:54:44 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Mon Mar 21 02:54:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Scott, Springfield Message-ID: <20050321075444.94783.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, I don't have a feel for Buffalo Springfield's popularity in the UK in 1967 or so - I had moved to Montreal in 1967. I bought BS' Greatest Hits in 1971 but they were not huge in Montreal. This brings up an interesting point because Montreal had a very distinct taste in music at that time. The first FM rock station started there in about 1969-70 and opened up a whole new world of music to me, as I suspect it did to others in Montreal at that time. While I became much more familiar with all the West Coast bands like Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service, the bands that were very popular n Montreal were the so-called art rock bands such as Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Supertramp and Pink Floyd. Interesting to see regional preferences in music. Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 03:19:30 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Mon Mar 21 03:19:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Supergroups Message-ID: <20050321081930.99283.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For me the key point about supergroups is the anticipation about whether taking members from already well-known bands and putting them together create some kind of special chemistry. I think the members of Cream fit this model - EC called them Cream because they were the best in their respective bands (an arrogance that probably makes him cringe nowadays!) I think Blind Faith fit it even more because of the huge popularity Cream and Traffic had achieved. I also think this is true for Crosby, Stills & Nash. I don't think many of us would disagree that there was a special chemistry with Cream and, despite cynical comments from some people, I don't think they are reuniting for the money. I feel that despite the huge commercial pressure put on Blind Faith and its subsequent short existence - one album with 6 songs including only 5 originals - the band hinted at a chemistry, at least between Eric and Steve. Personally (not to flog a dead horse!) I do find the Blid Faith album more consistent song quality wise than the Cream albums. I do feel the chemistry between Clapton and Winwood was never realized because of the commercial pressure and I would welcome a part of the Cream reunion where Winwood played a part of the set with them to see perhaps what Blind Faith might have been. Crosby, Stills & Nash found a magic when Mama Cass said to Stiils & Crosby, the only person who can hit that high harmony is Graham Nash. CSN is known above all for that special chemistry in the blend of their voices. They had all come from succesful well-known groups, so it was a supergroup and the chemistry worked. Personally I never felt it was the same when they added Neil Young. I like a lot of Neil's music but I find it different from CSN and don't think he blends in the way the original three did. My opinion anyway. As an aside, I saw Crosby & Nash recently in London and their harmonies were still stunning together, evenwithout Stills. I would also throw out another candidate for a supergoup - the Jeff Beck group. Although maybe Rod Stewart didn't have quite the reputation he achieved later, the combination of him with session pianist extraordinaire Nicky Hopkins (who did a lot of work with the Stones) (also Mickey Waller on drums) worked well IMHO. I think the album Truth is another one beats the Cream albums in my book for song consistency. I do think there was a chemistry between Beck and Stewart then and it got revived years later with their beautiful version of Curtis Mayfiled's "People Get Ready". For me the potential chemistry is what is interesting about a supergroup. Just bringing big names together doesn't guarantee chemistry. Admittedly it was done for charity but one would be hard pressed to find a more famous group of musicians than on the ARMS shows with EC, Page, Beck, Winwood, Wyman, Watts, Paul Rodgers, Joe Cocker etc. But not the magic of the aforementioned bands. One could argue that the Dominos were a supergroup. Although Duane Allman wasn't a household word like EC, the chemistry together made the Layla album what it is. Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Mar 21 05:44:02 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Mon Mar 21 05:44:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Mayall's Voice Message-ID: <001201c52e02$e6f95780$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Some of us just don't like Mayall's voice on Beano for crying out loud. >> We may like Muddy Waters, Howling' Wolf and many other blues guys' >> voices. We get Mayall's influence and importance. But we may not like his >> voice on that album. << Acknowledged. I also believe that I acknowledged this in my previous posts. There are those who simply don't like Mayall's voice. It's definitely got a "different" tone. That being said, there are those whose understanding of the blues is somewhat different: it's not what you've got, but what you do with it. That's why I mentioned Dylan and Waits. Many hate their voices. Others' understanding is different and they appreciate what Dylan, Waits, and Mayall do with their vocals. Now, if I may compare, somewhat, to Clapton. I don't believe that Eric Clapton has an extremely great voice. I think it's rather unremarkable; this is what God gave him (Steve Winwood, for example, is one who I'd consider has an especially remarkable voice; I also think he knows what to do with it). During the early part of his career, I thought of Clapton's voice as rather "light," his vocals "adequate": not bad, but not great either. However, since he sobered up (since about 1987 or 1989), he's studied his craft, and what he now does, vocally, IS remarkable. It's as if he's an altogether different singer. Today, I consider Clapton one of the better vocalists around ... and yes, "better" than Mayall. But it's not because of his voice, but because of what he does with it. But remember, it's all a matter of taste. 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Buddy is pacing up and down the aisle of the bus, searching for a victim) BR-Two fuckin' weeks to make up your mind whether you want a beard or you want a job. I'll not have this trouble with this band. This is not the goddamn House of David fuckin' baseball team. This is the Buddy Rich Band; young people...with faces! No more fuckin' beards. That's out! If you decide to do it, you're through. Right now! This is the last time I make this announcement. No more fucking beards. I don't want to see it. If you guys don't want to shave it off, I'll treat you just like they treat you in the fuckin' Marine Corps. This is the way I want my band to look. If you don't like it, get out! You've got two weeks to make up your mind. This is no idle request. I'm telling you how my band is gonna look. You're not telling me how you're gonna look, I'm telling you. You've got two weeks to make up your fucking mind, if you have any mind. (pause) There's too much freedom in this band. It's taken away. You're not going to do what you want to do, but what I want to do, as long as you're takin' my fuckin' money. I'm presenting my kind of band. The image I present is what I want, not what you want (turns to Dave Peneke, one of the trombonists). You seem to be giving me more trouble than anyone else. Do you want to do something about it? It's up to you. Do you want to do something about it? Trombonist-(in an Australian accent)I would definitely not suggest you touch me. BR-Then I definitely tell you one thing. You keep your fuckin' mouth shut, get the fuckin' beard off, or get off the band, right now. Now what do you think of that? Now that's a definite suggestion. When you go to work tonight, if I catch the fuckin' beard on you, i'll throw you off the fuckin' bandstand, O.K.? Trombonist-I'm not taking it off. BR-You're what? Trombonist-I'm not taking it off. BR-You're through. Trombonist-O.K. BR-Right now. You don't tell me what to do, I tell you. You don't like it, get off. Trombonist-When and where? BR-Get off! Get your fuckin' clothes and get off! Right now! (to the bus driver) Pull the fuckin' bus over! Trombonist-Have you got two weeks pay for me? BR-Have I got what? Trombonist-Two weeks pay for me. BR-I got nothin' for you. I got a right hand to your fuckin' brain if you want it. I'll give you two weeks...two weeks for what? You learn the rules of my band. You don't like it, that's it. You get off. And try to take me to the fuckin' union. I'd love it. You get no two weeks pay, you get two weeks time. Get off. (aside) He was waiting for this for a long fuckin' time. -------------- For more hilarity, check out the actual recordings here: http://www.carrothers.com/billyboy/mybuddy.htm Always good for a laff! Cheers, AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From cdudek at wilkes.net Mon Mar 21 08:12:37 2005 From: cdudek at wilkes.net (S Dudek) Date: Mon Mar 21 08:13:00 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Am I hard of hearing? In-Reply-To: <001201c52d8c$532d0d60$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> References: <001201c52d8c$532d0d60$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Message-ID: <55197.12.107.53.245.1111410757.squirrel@webmail.wilkes.net> DeltaNick said: >>> ?Where is Gary Puckett today . . . " <<< I do know that Gary will be playing at Merlefest this year (April 29 - May 1) with world renown banjo picker and Bill Monroe alumus, Tony Ellis. Bluegrass, old time, and traditional . . . now there?s some music I?d like to hear EC play. ;-) From apuraja8 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 11:10:24 2005 From: apuraja8 at hotmail.com (Apurva Parikh) Date: Mon Mar 21 11:10:32 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] mayall's voice.. Message-ID: Read through the posts regarding Mayall's voice on Beano and in general. Thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents. I admit, when I first heard Dylan's voice, Tom Waits, Robert Plant, Tom Petty, John Mayall, Robert Johnson, I didn't immediate love their voices in the context of other music I have grown up listening. Too much of pop/rock music focuses on over-producing vocals and creating a more listenable tone. It took me a few listens, but I now appreciate Mayall, Howlin' Wolf, others who don't have a pretty top 40 voice, because I focused on what they were singing about. This is why people like Paul Rodgers, other white singers never appealed to me when they sang the blues, it never sounded genuine or true. I didn't hear suffering, desperation or any sense that they wern't just singing lines off a page. Its fair to say you don't like Mayall's voice, completely ok to do that, but just to share my views, listen for the little inflections, falsettos, and timing to hear him singing the blues. You may still not like it, and that's ok, but I think that the blues aren't pretty and not perfect so no backstreet boy, Beatle or novice could do it justice, heck it's taken EC this long to sound good. AAP From darmel at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 11:24:46 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Mon Mar 21 11:24:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Drummers Message-ID: <20050321162446.29459.qmail@web81702.mail.yahoo.com> Jay - I did. I mentioned Buddy Rich about a week ago in a post to ther digest. He used to show up on the Carson show quite frequently, and I became a fan. I saw him twice in the 76-77 time frame at a small club in Bloomington, Illinois! Not only was he an incredible musician but quite a "character" as well, which was evident from the Carson interviews. Cheers, Mel wrote---> Drummers I've Liked and Admired over the years: :-) In college - Ginger Baker - stimulants sure did a lot for endurance. Also in college - my roomate, Glen Evans, sophmore year. Being drummer in a r&rband sure helped him meet lots of ladies. Later, during my USAF days - Keith Moon. Master of the double bass! Back in college - Buddy Rich. Saw him perform twice. Wow! A little later, early 80's - Terry Williams, Dire Straits. Wicked left hand (see Alchemy). Now, I like Steve Gadd but like all the above still. Hmmm, haven't seen Glen since '75; wonder what he doing now??? Mel >Jay wrote: And why hasn't anyone mentioned Buddy Rich??? >IMHO, Steve Gadd couldn't even shine Buddy's shoes, nor could he shine Gene >Krupas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050321/c27962e5/attachment.html From airmacks95 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 13:25:05 2005 From: airmacks95 at yahoo.com (Steve B) Date: Mon Mar 21 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Mayall is a hack In-Reply-To: <20050321072719.0B36C8C43A@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050321182505.97219.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> DeltaNick wrote,"Many people find it hard to listen to the blues, and are much more comfortable listening to pop music instead." This is irrelevant. I love the blues more than my mother. I'm telling you there's such a thing as bad Blues. Are you buying Johnny Lang records, too? I guess somebody is. It ain't me. "However, those who know the blues and are its best exponents and performers would never say what you wrote. Read this next sentence carefully: People who understand what's going on -- his [Mayall's] voice has a "unique" tone (he can't help it), but his singing skills aren't bad -- have an appreciation."" I re-read it and still doesn't make any sense. Unique is often used as eupehmism. Are you sure these "people who understand..." are just being kind? I'm aware he can stay in-tune and might have some technique; that doesn't make a good singer. "People who know good singing when they hear it" will agree with me. "you did write in your last sentence that you respected what he did. Your previous words, however, say exactly the opposite." I respect him for championing the Blues, and remaining true to what he does. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From home at mattsharp.co.uk Mon Mar 21 14:44:02 2005 From: home at mattsharp.co.uk (Matt Sharp) Date: Mon Mar 21 14:44:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] One ticket? Message-ID: <004c01c52e4e$559f30b0$0200a8c0@matthome> Hi all, A long shot I know... but does anyone have one ticket to any of the Cream Reunion nights going spare they would consider selling to me? Thanks, Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050321/6b4b73f2/attachment.html From whereseric at optonline.net Mon Mar 21 20:07:38 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Mon Mar 21 20:07:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] =?windows-1252?q?Cream_Tickets_Under_the_Hammer_for_Maggie=92s_C?= =?windows-1252?q?ancer_Caring_Centres=2E=2E=2ENews_from_Where=27s_ERIC!?= Message-ID: <10b5e8410b68ea.10b68ea10b5e84@optonline.net> Where?s Eric! is teaming up with Maggie?s ? the charity creating a network of innovative cancer support centres across the UK ? to auction two of the last remaining tickets for the Cream reunion gigs at the Albert Hall. The exclusive tickets are for the 5th May concert and will put the winning bidder within a few feet of the band in Row 10 of the Arena. A ticket-buying frenzy for the four-gig concert series began as soon as the tickets went on sale in January. Since then tickets have been changing hands at several times face value. But the two tickets being auctioned here have been gifted to Maggie?s personally by Eric Clapton?s office especially to raise as much money for the charity as possible. The opening bid is therefore set at ?1,000 for the pair. To place a bid for the tickets send your highest offer to creamauction@whereseric.com. The auction closes on 15th April at 12 noon (GMT). We will update the highest bid daily on the Where?s Eric! site. Find out more about Maggie?s at www.maggiescentres.org Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From JGuignard at aol.com Mon Mar 21 21:37:19 2005 From: JGuignard at aol.com (JGuignard@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 21 21:37:28 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] NBTB tour Message-ID: <66.5364090d.2f70dedf@aol.com> Per the comments about some fans being disappointed that Eric did not sing any of his "hits" during his NBTB shows, I was quite the opposite. I was extremely glad I DID NOT have to hear any of them. That "From the Cradle" was NBTB was what enticed me to go to the show in Los Angeles in the first place and I sure was not disappointed. Eric's blues set was no less than 27 songs - what a show ! I have seen him 2 more times since then and while both shows were good, they did not come close to the NBTB show in my opinion. I seem to recall that when Eric first announced the NBTB tour he made it quite clear that he would not be playing SOYL, Layla, Wonderful Tonight, or any of the other hit - it was going to be Nothing But The Blues. Oh yes - per the comments about drummers, being an ex-drumbeater I have my favorites, one of them being Dire Straits original drummer Pick Withers. He did what I thought was some very neat playing of the first 2 or 3 D/S albums. Another that I like very much is Ed Shaugnessy - from the Tonight Show orchestra. Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050321/6449b9ae/attachment.html From Cobhome at aol.com Mon Mar 21 22:18:00 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 21 22:18:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] What some others have to say ......... Message-ID: <79.41bba408.2f70e868@aol.com> Saw an interview with BB King - and thought I'd sahre some of his commments on other musicians:: Elvis Presley: "The King! And a real nice guy, too."? Eric Clapton: "Number one rock guitarist in the world. And he plays the blues better than all of us."? Ray Charles: "To call him a genius is an understatement."? The Rolling Stones: "Greatest rock 'n' roll group, and real bluesmen, too."? Muddy Waters: "He did more for the blues than anyone else I can think of."? Stevie Ray Vaughn: "His death was so sad. He was like a son to me."? Tina Turner: "Beautiful, and the hardest working singer I ever saw."? Frank Sinatra: "I loved him. There'll never be another voice like that."? B.B. King: "A guy who wished he could be better."? Rhater intriguing news on BB's upcoming cd - he will doing duets - has already recorded one with Elton John - Sting Van Morrison will also be included - and BB says - Bono/U2 - and hopes Bono can write antohger great song for him like "When Love Comes to Town" - always a pleasure to hear what BB has to say - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050321/9e4e4172/attachment.html From turbineltd at btconnect.com Tue Mar 22 03:21:23 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Tue Mar 22 03:18:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] BB King phone interview Message-ID: <000901c52eb8$25b4e740$0100a8c0@dellws410> http://www.jsonline.com/onwisconsin/music/mar05/311499.asp Here's what BB has to say about EC: "Number one rock guitarist in the world. And he plays the blues better than all of us." There's also a very nice, (big), picture of BB,EC & BG at the RnR HoF ceremony. Just click on the image at the bottom-right of the page. From smangano at solartestinglabs.com Tue Mar 22 11:05:53 2005 From: smangano at solartestinglabs.com (Sam Mangano) Date: Tue Mar 22 10:55:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC/Robert Lockwood Jr aborted album?? Message-ID: <00fa01c52ef9$0705c440$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> Following is part of an article from www.cleveland.com about Robert Lockwood Jr, step-son of Robert Johnson, who plays a regular Wed nite gig here in Cleveland at Fat Fish Blue, a downtown restaurant/bar: Lockwood says he was approached about recording a similar album ("Riding with the King") with Clapton. "He was gonna do another one - Riding with the Legend - I guess," Lockwood says. He rejected the offer because Clapton reportedly was prepared to pay Lockwood only 2 percent of the profits. "I don't need him," Lockwood says. "I know he didn't give B.B. no damn 2 percent - and I'm B.B.'s teacher!" out sambo8 From bluesview at comcast.net Tue Mar 22 13:00:15 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Tue Mar 22 13:00:29 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Wondering if you would (should) bring me a Cream Reunion program to the USA? Message-ID: <003201c52f09$00417c70$6501a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> Hello, Would any of you going to the Cream Reunion be willing to bring back a concert program to the USA? I was thinking of someone buying it for me (I would pay you in advance) at the concert and mailing it to me when you got back. I'm in Texas, USA. I would gladly pay for your program for doing this. I realize we don't know what the price will be before hand, but we could guesstimate and either I'd send you or you would send back the difference. I'd also ask this same deal for a t-shirt, but I bet they will have only up to XL in size (I need bigger!) and even the XLs will sell quickly. On the other hand... do you people think the programs will be available on EBAY after the show? Let me know your thoughts - Please. Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050322/5a4a6a10/attachment.html From Dale.Kalina at rrd.com Tue Mar 22 13:16:01 2005 From: Dale.Kalina at rrd.com (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) Date: Tue Mar 22 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking Offer Message-ID: Thanks to the generosity of Jon Hognason from verdant Iceland, I can offer 5 sets of the 2-cd Woking 2004 New Year's Eve show. Please email me at DGKalina@sbcglobal.net with your address and I will notify the winners. Dale Here's the info on the show... Eric Clapton Andy Fairweather Low Gary Brooker Chris Stainton Dave Bronze Henry Spinetti Ringo Starr Knock on wood Reconsider baby Home loving Blueberry hill Love her with a feeling Sweet little rock and roller If paradise is half as nice Got my mojo working Hoochie coochie man What I'd say Lay My Burden Down / Will The Circle Be Unbroken / What a Friend We Have in Jesus Whole lotta shaking goin' on A little help from my friends Honey don't Boys Stormy monday I hear you knocking Come together Old black Joe Gin house Willie and the hand jive Five long years Whiter shade of pale Cocaine Little Queenie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050322/4aae4bfa/attachment.html From crocketo at tele2adsl.dk Tue Mar 22 14:12:57 2005 From: crocketo at tele2adsl.dk (Kristian Frellsen) Date: Tue Mar 22 14:13:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC/Robert Lockwood Jr aborted album?? In-Reply-To: <00fa01c52ef9$0705c440$1f01a8c0@solar3.Domain> Message-ID: For so many reasons I doubt this is true. Why would EC do such a thing when he's done so much trying to preserve the blues? (BTW 2% profits of any EC album would make Lockwood a rather rich man :-) ) /Kristian -----Original Message----- From: Sam Mangano [mailto:smangano@solartestinglabs.com] Sent: 22. marts 2005 17:06 To: 'sd' Subject: [Slowhand] EC/Robert Lockwood Jr aborted album?? Following is part of an article from www.cleveland.com about Robert Lockwood Jr, step-son of Robert Johnson, who plays a regular Wed nite gig here in Cleveland at Fat Fish Blue, a downtown restaurant/bar: Lockwood says he was approached about recording a similar album ("Riding with the King") with Clapton. "He was gonna do another one - Riding with the Legend - I guess," Lockwood says. He rejected the offer because Clapton reportedly was prepared to pay Lockwood only 2 percent of the profits. "I don't need him," Lockwood says. "I know he didn't give B.B. no damn 2 percent - and I'm B.B.'s teacher!" out sambo8 From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Wed Mar 23 10:06:22 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Wed Mar 23 10:05:47 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Someone from Italy.... In-Reply-To: <20050322171502.38E998C950@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050323100205.00c103e0@mail.clemson.edu> Please contact me privately. I have an Italian question. Well, actually, it's in English, but it's about Italy and things Italian. Sorry for the non-EC content. To cover my ass, ummm.... Eric rules, and the rest just follow his lead. From Dale.Kalina at rrd.com Wed Mar 23 12:47:56 2005 From: Dale.Kalina at rrd.com (Dale.Kalina@rrd.com) Date: Wed Mar 23 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Woking Offer - Closed Message-ID: I have notified the 5 winners of this offer. Although I did not make it a stipulation that the recipients re-offer this to other Digesters, I hope that they will do so to share with all. Look for David K, Cliff T, Kelly M, Barry F and Marlene O to be generous. Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050323/992f591c/attachment.html From bluesview at comcast.net Wed Mar 23 13:14:50 2005 From: bluesview at comcast.net (BluesView) Date: Wed Mar 23 13:14:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC/Robert Lockwood Jr aborted album?? - Sour Grapes? References: Message-ID: <009201c52fd4$3498d290$6501a8c0@richardson.k12.tx.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristian Frellsen" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [Slowhand] EC/Robert Lockwood Jr aborted album?? > For so many reasons I doubt this is true. > > Why would EC do such a thing when he's done so much trying to preserve the > blues? (BTW 2% profits of any EC album would make Lockwood a rather rich man > :-) ) > > /Kristian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Mangano [mailto:smangano@solartestinglabs.com] > Sent: 22. marts 2005 17:06 > To: 'sd' > Subject: [Slowhand] EC/Robert Lockwood Jr aborted album?? > > Following is part of an article from www.cleveland.com about Robert Lockwood > Jr, step-son of Robert Johnson, who plays a regular Wed nite gig here in > Cleveland at Fat Fish Blue, a downtown restaurant/bar: > > Lockwood says he was approached about recording a similar album ("Riding > with the King") with Clapton. "He was gonna do another one - Riding with > the Legend - I guess," Lockwood says. He rejected the offer because > Clapton reportedly was prepared to pay Lockwood only 2 percent of the > profits. "I don't need him," Lockwood says. "I know he didn't give B.B. no > damn 2 percent - and I'm B.B.'s teacher!" > > out > sambo8 > I don't believe for a minute the statement "I know he didn't give B.B. no damn 2 percent". I believe B.B. was paid a very nice sum, as was Eric. Sounds like 'sour grapes' from Lockwood to me. I also think you have to take into consideration this comment was from a step-son of a legend about a living legend who is currently having a great career and did the recording with Eric due to mutual admiration between old friends, not to temporaroly bolster a career, as would likely be the case with a recording with Lockwood. I'm not dismissing Lockwood's place in Blues history, but between B.B. and Lockwood, who played the most concerts, put out the most recordings, sold the most recordings and wrote the most songs? And in a the long term, who has done more for the Blues in the last 50 years? Which is the best intertainer, songwriter and guitar player today between B.B. and Lockwood? B.B. King may have added some new fans due to the recording with Eric and Eric mave have done the same, but neither one 'needed' to make the recording. They have been intending to do an album together since the '60s, and finally the timing was right and things came together. Lockwood is no where near the friend to Eric as B.B. is. Secondly, the statement "and I'm B.B.'s teacher!" from Lockwood seems to bolster the 'sour grapes' attitude in my opinion. Sure Lockwood may hae spent some time with B.B. They most likely learned some things from each other. But, in my opinion, B.B. King is a self made bluesman. What blows me away is that B.B. has accomplished so much for so many years and he's just as humble as can be. I've never heard him say a bad word about anyone, except maybe himself and some of the women in his songs! By the way, as Kristian alluded to above, that 2% would be more money for Lockwood than he would make on his own and could lead to even more in future earnings. Of, course these are just my opinions. Take them or leave them. :) BV From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Wed Mar 23 12:52:58 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Wed Mar 23 14:15:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Remastered at RAH Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Thanks to Stephen, i can offer 3 copies of that great 2 DVD set from the journeyman days. Cheers, Etienne. From pmclaughlin at ingenuity.ca Wed Mar 23 17:42:26 2005 From: pmclaughlin at ingenuity.ca (Phil McLaughlin) Date: Wed Mar 23 17:42:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Wondering if you would (should) bring me a Cream Reunion References: <20050323171501.DAE228C595@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <002001c52ff9$987e66b0$6c274518@STUDENT> Hey, I'd be more than happy to help you and anyone really with this. Its an awsome idea actually. Regarding ebay, I think they might sell them, but seeing how the tickets have skyrocketed in price, I only fear how much people might charge for a program. Either way, I'm going to the reunion so email me if you want to set up such an arrangement. I live in Canada too, so shipping should be cheaper (than someone in the UK) when I theoretically send you the program and/or tshirt. Email me at pmclaughlin@ingenuity.ca Cheers, Phil From deltanick at comcast.net Wed Mar 23 21:25:56 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Wed Mar 23 21:26:04 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: EC/Robert Lockwood Jr aborted album?? References: <20050323171502.B874F8C932@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <009901c53018$d134e460$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> It's kinda funny that Lockwood would "badmouth" Clapton in a newspaper that way, having just played at the Crossroads Guitar Festival last June. Some thoughts from a friend, below. DeltaNick Clapton is NOT a Reprise Records (Warner) artist per se. He has a production ("Duck Records"), not artist, deal with Reprise. For an artist that can work in his favor, because then Clapton sets the production budget, not Reprise, and he can control his royalty revenue without being concerned with label bookkeeping chicanery. Many artists have those. Anyhow, he pays everyone involved (musicians, producers, engineers, graphic designers) in the CD on rates he negotiates, not the label. And so he dictates what Lockwood would get, because it's his business to run. I wonder, actually, what BB King got...BB probably did the thing for the amusement factor rather than the financial anyhow. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050323/22c40f23/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Wed Mar 23 21:28:36 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Wed Mar 23 21:28:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Damn Right! Message-ID: <009e01c53019$305e9df0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> According to ICE Magazine, an "Expanded Edition" of Buddy Guy's "Damn Right I've Got The Blues" will be released in the summer months. I don't know what the extras will be, but the article mentioned that both Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck appeared on the original album. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050323/e8adf80c/attachment.html From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Thu Mar 24 07:27:44 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Thu Mar 24 07:35:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Bootlegs Message-ID: Hi Folks, Im looking for the 4 first shows of the Japan tour 2003, as well as some of the Japan tour 2001. Hope some will be interested in trading, 'cause im looking for them for a while. Cheers Etienne. From whereseric at optonline.net Thu Mar 24 07:34:49 2005 From: whereseric at optonline.net (whereseric@optonline.net) Date: Thu Mar 24 07:38:36 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Blind Faith DVD on hold Message-ID: <111282e111933f.111933f111282e@optonline.net> Where's ERIC! has learned from Sanctuary Visual Entertainment this morning that the Blind Faith "Hyde Park 1969" DVD has been put on temporary hold. It will not be released on 30 May as announced previously by Sanctuary. No further news is available at this time. Regards, The Where's ERIC! Team Established 1992 www.whereseric.com and www.ericclaptonfaq.com From stingle at visi.com Thu Mar 24 10:12:06 2005 From: stingle at visi.com (stingle@visi.com) Date: Thu Mar 24 10:12:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Zetti RAH DVD Offer Message-ID: <14c3f8aeab2af5eb05e5287ea5e42c6d@visi.com> Thanks to Stephen Wilson I can offer 3 copies of the Zetti RAH DVD. Please email your address to stingle@visi.com and I will pick the lucky winners. The double disk was originally downloaded from EZtree, is NTSC and will be burned on DVD-R disks. More info can be found at: http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/remastered-rah-dvd.htm Bruce From turbineltd at btconnect.com Thu Mar 24 10:51:30 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Thu Mar 24 10:48:46 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Martin Guitar Message-ID: <000901c53089$5f4b2460$0100a8c0@dellws410> An interesting article with EC content: http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/000500.html From airmacks95 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 13:17:38 2005 From: airmacks95 at yahoo.com (Steve B) Date: Thu Mar 24 13:17:44 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton Sessions Message-ID: <20050324181739.18673.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Hiroshi Fujiwara's new album, Classic Dub Classics, features Eric on one cut, Air on G Strings. This is the second music collaboration with HF. The other, The Mellow Works, was released a couple of years ago. Hiroshi can be seen in the Robert J DVD briefly. Check the menu where Eric is showing off his custom 30s Ford. The Japanese man he's showing the Johnson inscription on the engine is Hiroshi. He can also be seen in some of the shots in the Casa Del Mar. Check the liner notes to Robert J and you'll see he's also been given a production credit. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From jwalasko at telus.net Thu Mar 24 15:12:12 2005 From: jwalasko at telus.net (John Walasko) Date: Thu Mar 24 15:13:03 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Elliot Scheiner to record the Cream reunion shows Message-ID: <0221D0B3-9CA1-11D9-9AF0-000393DABF4E@telus.net> American recording engineer Elliot Scheiner is apparently going to be in charge of recording the Cream reunion shows in May; www.macnewsworld.com/story/41496.html The Cream concerts are only mentioned in passing - the story is more of a press release for recording hardware Scheiner has used. Scheiner has been a top recording engineer for over 30 years (Steely Dan, Van Morrison, Sting etcetera) - it's good to know that the recording of the reunion concerts is going to be done properly. Scheiner also recorded and authored surround mixes for the 2004 Crossroads Festival DVD. From thanatos at pol.net Thu Mar 24 17:10:04 2005 From: thanatos at pol.net (thanatos@pol.net) Date: Thu Mar 24 17:10:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] DVD offers.... Message-ID: <46124.10.250.10.1.1111702204.squirrel@sq04.pol.net> Apologies to those who sent me the Paris and Cardiff DVDs. I have been so busy with work, that I have not had a chance to re-offer them. I am willing to send three copies of each title to anyone interested. Also, due to my tardiness, I am going to offer a 1994 Fillmore DVD that has nice picture and sound (although it is mono). I will send out three copies of this show as well. Please let me know off-list (because I do not always have time to read the digest). thanks, wes From etienne.genaux at neuf.fr Thu Mar 24 14:56:51 2005 From: etienne.genaux at neuf.fr (Etienne Genaux) Date: Thu Mar 24 18:35:07 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Remastered at RAH offer closed. Message-ID: Hi Folks, This offer is now closed. Look forward to further offers. Cheers Etienne. From JEngel2000 at cableone.net Thu Mar 24 20:29:15 2005 From: JEngel2000 at cableone.net (Jeff Engelmann) Date: Thu Mar 24 20:38:27 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Mayall's voice/Claptons voice Message-ID: <002001c530da$0ebe8d60$6400a8c0@computer> It took Clapton a long time to find his own voice, and drugs and alcohol certainly played a role in delaying his progress. Perhaps they were two discrete manifestations of the same youthful insecurity as well. His Mayall/Cream era stuff sounds like someone who just hasn't learned how to trust himself to sing properly yet - it is generally quite tentative and thin sounding. Badge sounds allright, but even there his singing is weak. After that he went through different phases. He got on the right track with Delaney Bramlett's encouragement, and really began to hit his stride vocally with D&D. On LAOALS he was pouring heart and soul into his singing, and the raw energy of his singing was electrifying at times. Apparently emotional distress moved him outside his comfort zone. Later he was emotionally frail coming out of his heroin exile, which is evident in his singing on much of 461 Ocean Blvd. Fortunately for Clapton it fit well with the laid-back trend in music at the time. By TOIEC his singing was beginning what I consider a downward slide. The laid back vibe was overdone, and his tendency to mimic other singers nearly to the point of parody became evident in "Don't Blame Me." This is one aspect of Clapton's work that has bothered me throughout his career. Just like his reference to "pretty vimmin's" in Hoochie Coochie Man, it sounds contrived and makes me cringe slightly just as Nathan's eyes must glaze over at EC's ebonics. On Pilgrim he pays tribute to Curtis Mayfield's final cd New World Order and manages to miss the mark in trying to sing like CM. (If you don't believe me, listen to both releases and proceed to be amazed.) Moving back to the rest of the seventies, EC's voice took on a Clintonesque gravelly quality along with boozy nasal congestion as heard in the original version of Wonderful Tonight and various other songs of the period. IMHO alcohol did more to define Clapton's sound at this time than any other factor. His voice displays renewed depth and energy only after his attempts to dry out during the eighties. Behind the Sun, August and Unplugged stand in contrast to earlier releases in terms of intensity, finesse and vocal quality, and he pours more effort than ever into his singing ability through the nineties. With varying degrees of success. In my opinion, his singing prowess reaches a pinnacle on Reptile, witness: "Don't Let Me Be Lonely." Whatever else you might be able to say about Reptile, the singing is stunning in comparison to most of EC's body of work. You may or may not agree with some of these points, but the fact that substance abuse and maturity have been opposing forces at the heart of Clapton's development as a singer seems to me undeniable. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: DeltaNick To: Slowhand Digest Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:44 AM Subject: [Slowhand] Mayall's Voice >> Some of us just don't like Mayall's voice on Beano for crying out loud. We may like Muddy Waters, Howling' Wolf and many other blues guys' voices. We get Mayall's influence and importance. But we may not like his voice on that album. << Acknowledged. I also believe that I acknowledged this in my previous posts. There are those who simply don't like Mayall's voice. It's definitely got a "different" tone. That being said, there are those whose understanding of the blues is somewhat different: it's not what you've got, but what you do with it. That's why I mentioned Dylan and Waits. Many hate their voices. Others' understanding is different and they appreciate what Dylan, Waits, and Mayall do with their vocals. Now, if I may compare, somewhat, to Clapton. I don't believe that Eric Clapton has an extremely great voice. I think it's rather unremarkable; this is what God gave him (Steve Winwood, for example, is one who I'd consider has an especially remarkable voice; I also think he knows what to do with it). During the early part of his career, I thought of Clapton's voice as rather "light," his vocals "adequate": not bad, but not great either. However, since he sobered up (since about 1987 or 1989), he's studied his craft, and what he now does, vocally, IS remarkable. It's as if he's an altogether different singer. Today, I consider Clapton one of the better vocalists around ... and yes, "better" than Mayall. But it's not because of his voice, but because of what he does with it. But remember, it's all a matter of taste. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050324/35b38628/attachment.html From artaarias at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 20:41:58 2005 From: artaarias at yahoo.com (Art Arias) Date: Thu Mar 24 20:42:01 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Damn Right! Message-ID: <20050325014158.93314.qmail@web21128.mail.yahoo.com> <> According to this same article, it say's the original album grows from 10 to 12 tracks, with the additon of "Doin' Waht I Like Best" and the Guitar Slim tune "Trouble Don't Last", which were both originally Europe-only B-sides. Also recently released as an expanded edition is Buddy Guy & Junior Wells "Play The Blues", which was originally released with 9 tracks in 1972 produced by Eric Clapton, Ahmet Ertegun and Tom Dowd. CD1 contains the original production and adds "Dirty Mother For You", "Why Am I Treated So Bad?" and a nearly 10-minute "Stone Crazy". CD2 has 9 tracks which include a 9:20 version of Freddie King's "Love Her With A Feeling", a 7:52 take of Little Walter's "Last Night" and a version of "Born In The Blues" running 8:56, all previously unreleased. Art Arias __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From deltanick at comcast.net Thu Mar 24 22:19:39 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Thu Mar 24 22:19:49 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Clapton's Voice Message-ID: <004301c530e9$7c638fa0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> It took Clapton a long time to find his own voice ... his tendency to >> mimic other singers nearly to the point of parody became evident ... it >> sounds contrived and makes me cringe slightly just as Nathan's eyes must >> glaze over at EC's ebonics ... On Pilgrim he pays tribute to Curtis >> Mayfield's final cd New World Order and manages to miss the mark in >> trying to sing like CM. << Jeff, While I pretty much agree with what you wrote, I would like to add the following idea to the discussion: As Clapton ages, he puts less and less of his OWN spin on blues music, and attempts more and more to IMITATE those who went before, both vocally and guitaristically. I remember reading this complaint in some of the blues magazines when "From The Cradle" was released. However, it seems to be SO much more evident with these latest Robert Johnson releases, as you and others have mentioned regarding his vocals alone. Clapton has not been known as an especially prolific songwriter, however, one of his strongest talents has always been interpretation of others' material. There is no question that his vocals definitely have improved immensely, but it seems that his interpretations of blues songs -- from a guitar angle as well as vocally -- have become less original and more imitational. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As far as vocally, I don't think Clapton sounds anything like RJ. > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:19:39 -0500 > From: "DeltaNick" > Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Clapton's Voice >As Clapton ages, > he puts less and less of > his OWN spin on blues music, and attempts more and > more to IMITATE those who > went before, both vocally and guitaristically. I > remember reading this > complaint in some of the blues magazines when "From > The Cradle" was > released. However, it seems to be SO much more > evident with these latest > Robert Johnson releases, as you and others have > mentioned regarding his > vocals alone. > > Clapton has not been known as an especially prolific > songwriter, however, > one of his strongest talents has always been > interpretation of others' > material. There is no question that his vocals > definitely have improved > immensely, but it seems that his interpretations of > blues songs -- from a > guitar angle as well as vocally -- have become less > original and more > imitational. > > DeltaNick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From EFSCHUL at aol.com Fri Mar 25 00:17:59 2005 From: EFSCHUL at aol.com (EFSCHUL@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 25 00:18:06 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Looking for Cream tickets Message-ID: <60.5216869f.2f74f907@aol.com> I am going on Thursday and got "standing" balcony tickets, so my pal sent me a nice pair of mini-binoculars for my trip over the pond. Safe trip, good luck, and rock on to all! E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050325/679c886e/attachment.html From turbineltd at btconnect.com Fri Mar 25 11:22:17 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Fri Mar 25 11:18:25 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Sonny Landreth on EC & JM Message-ID: <005801c53156$d3ec14a0$0100a8c0@dellws410> FYI, "John Mayall and Eric Clapton were other early heroes of Landreth's." This next quote is especially for DN, (or perhaps it should be for JM's detractors): SL: "John Mayall is an original, with a soulful quality to him. He has a deep regard and understanding of the blues and an incredible talent for picking guitar players." http://www.palmbeachpost.com/tgif/content/entertainment/tgif/epaper/2005/03/25/a82tgi_sonny_landreth_0525.html From artaarias at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 13:59:29 2005 From: artaarias at yahoo.com (Art Arias) Date: Fri Mar 25 13:59:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Damn Right! Message-ID: <20050325185929.93104.qmail@web21124.mail.yahoo.com> <> The release date on this title has been pushed back to June 28 according to Rhino Handmade. Sorry for any mis-information in my previous message. Art Arias __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From richardtcbatty at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 15:25:20 2005 From: richardtcbatty at yahoo.com (Richard Batty) Date: Fri Mar 25 15:25:23 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Clapton's interpretation of the blues Message-ID: <20050325202520.63159.qmail@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:19:39 -0500 > From: "DeltaNick" < deltanick at comcast.net > > Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Clapton's Voice >As Clapton ages, > he puts less and less of > his OWN spin on blues music, and attempts more and > more to IMITATE those who > went before, both vocally and guitaristically. I > remember reading this > complaint in some of the blues magazines when "From > The Cradle" was > released. However, it seems to be SO much more > evident with these latest > Robert Johnson releases, as you and others have > mentioned regarding his > vocals alone. Nick, I know what you are saying but I don't think it is this clear cut. The Sessions for RJ version of From Four Until Late is not much different IMO than the one on Fresh Cream. Obviously Cream interpretations of songs like Crossroads, Spoonful and I'm So Glad were very different from the originals. I do think versions of songs on FTC like Five Long Years were very different from the originals. I like the FTC version much more than the Yardbirds version or the Buddy Guy version in the 1990/91 RAH shows. So I think there was mimicing back in the 60s too and also creative versions in the 90s. I do think EC mimics the originals in some obvious cases. The phrase "Gonna mess WITT you" in Hoochie Coochie Man and the vocal phrasing on Ray Charles songs such as Sinner's Prayer and Come Back Baby. For better or worse, EC seems to come from a place of respect for the blues songs and maybe it limits what he could do with the songs. Either way I like his interpretations of many of the blues songs even if they are not tht different from the originals. As far as EC's voice, I remember hearing Blues Before Sunrise for the first time and couldn't believe it was EC - the voice was so raw and powerful. Getting away from my incessant cheerleading of EC's music (!!), I do prefer Led Zep's version of Traveling Riverside Blues and the Stones' versions of Love in Vain and Stop Breaking Down. But of course, they are more or less the same vintage as the WoF Crossroads, R __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From thanatos at pol.net Fri Mar 25 16:31:58 2005 From: thanatos at pol.net (thanatos@pol.net) Date: Fri Mar 25 16:32:02 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Everything closed Message-ID: <10410.10.250.10.1.1111786318.squirrel@sq03.pol.net> I have takers for all of the shows. I will publish a list of the receiving parties. thanks, wes From pmclaughlin at ingenuity.ca Sat Mar 26 00:50:13 2005 From: pmclaughlin at ingenuity.ca (Phil McLaughlin) Date: Sat Mar 26 00:50:56 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] EC Trading! References: <20050325171501.F10AA8C8AC@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <013601c531c7$ae2cc630$6c274518@STUDENT> Hey, If any slowhanders out there want to set up trades for Clapton bootlegs, let me know. Im looking to trade for Audio and Video recordings of any EC show. Ultimately id like to set up long term trading relationships with people if anyone is interested, but im also happy just doing a one time only trade with anyone. Here's my list... http://www.claptonboots.tk Send all trade offers to me at pmclaughlin@ingenuity.ca. Just a note though, im looking for Eric Clapton shows, I dont have much interest in trading for any other artists right now. Cheers, Phil From turbineltd at btconnect.com Sat Mar 26 05:49:35 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Sat Mar 26 05:45:45 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Tales of Brave Ulysses: The Cream Story Message-ID: <000901c531f1$88a34d10$0100a8c0@dellws410> Nothing you don't already know, but it's nice to see the interest stirring. http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/03/26/041634.php You might need to leave the initial page a minute, before the article appears. From ollio at mbnet.fi Sat Mar 26 06:06:00 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Sat Mar 26 06:02:34 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] The importance of solo guitar? Message-ID: <000c01c531f3$cdb56bc0$7fe2c551@ollionkone> Hi all, There's been some discussion about EC's preferences changing from guitar to vocals and bandleading. This of course happened already over 30 years ago, but there's also more recent comments from EC on the importance of guitar solos. On a bootleg called Eric Clapton - Road Test (3Br Records, November 4, 1999) there's a radio interview in which EC said: "The guitar is changed, it's importance now has changed. I mean, a lot of groups in England use guitar to write and play, there's millions and millions of rhythm guitarplayers, sort of trash rhythm guitarplayers. Thye're great, but I think it's lost it's importance as a solo instrument. I think, that I'm probably one of the few people, that still tries to play it off. I don't know if it's got any relevance anymore. 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050326/16ef6e92/attachment.html From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 09:26:03 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sat Mar 26 09:26:14 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Interpreting Clapton's Interpretations Message-ID: <000a01c5320f$bf433c40$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> [O]ne of the criticism of Me & Mr. Johnson … RJ played unaccompanied with >> an accoustic guitar, while Clapton played electric guitar with a full >> band ... only a handful of the cuts were accoustic only. << Thanks for your astute analysis ... simply brilliant! I’m sure that none of us ever noticed this before. >> I know what you are saying but I don't think it is this clear cut. The >> Sessions for RJ version of From Four Until Late is not much different IMO >> than the one on Fresh Cream. Obviously Cream interpretations of songs >> like Crossroads, Spoonful and I'm So Glad were very different from the >> originals. << No, it’s not clear cut, not a 100% ironclad rule. Not too many things are clear cut. I’m generalizing, of course, and there are exceptions. However, the trend, I think, is as I’ve described: as Clapton ages, he's less improviational and more imitational with blues songs. The old, original blues songs provide a model. EC can either parrot the original performance, or he can turn it into something original by playing it his OWN way. "From Four Until Late" is an exceptionon to the general rule, I think, a laid-back song, which probably wouldn’t work any other way. But how about "Hideaway? While with Mayall's band, Clapton turned it into a tour de force, using the basic song as a platform for intense, passionate improvisation. However, in all the versions I've heard since the 1970s, there's not much excitement at all. Same thing with "Crossroads": he's on fire with Cream (on "WoF"), but turns it into Sominex in its "Willie And The Hand Jive" incarnation. Simply put, I'd rather hear Eric Clapton play like Eric Clapton than Eric Clapton try to play like Freddie King, Robert Johnson, or anyone else. Maybe he's not confident in his ablity to play his own way, or maybe he's too "mature." He just doesn't seem to express as much passion when he imitates or mimicks. I think he tries too hard to make it sound same as the original when he does that. Don’t get me wrong, “FTC” is one of my favorite albums. But I see a trend that tends to become more and more imitational (and less and less improvisational) as time goes by. >> For better or worse, EC seems to come from a place of respect for the >> blues songs and maybe it limits what he could do with the songs. << So, sounds like you agree here. Do you mean respect, or worship? Let's not forget that these aren't prayers -- delivered from Mt. Sinai on tablets -- but really, just popular music. >> As far as EC's voice, I remember hearing Blues Before Sunrise for the >> first time and couldn't believe it was EC - the voice was so raw and >> powerful. << Agreed. He's really improved dramatically; "FTC" is a high point. >> I do prefer … the Stones' versions of … Stop Breaking Down. << The Stones did “Stop Breaking Down Blues”? When? What album? DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050326/7a145f97/attachment-0001.html From ollio at mbnet.fi Sat Mar 26 11:38:40 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Sat Mar 26 11:35:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Mimicking the Blues?? Message-ID: <000a01c53222$4501f440$7fe2c551@ollionkone> Hi all, Here's a couple of comments on DN commenting on Richard's comments. And remember: Of course I'm the only one here, who has the right opinion! DN wrote: ""But how about "Hideaway? While with Mayall's band, Clapton turned it into a tour de force, using the basic song as a platform for intense, passionate improvisation."" Listen to the BBC version of Hideway on for ?nstance Bluesbreaking bootleg. I don't think that performance is " intense, passionate improvisation". I think it sounds quite clumsy compared to the versions from 1991 blues nights. Or Steppin' Out on What's Shaking compilation. Not all of Clapton's playing during the 60's was that impressive, but that's human. I have heard many versions of Crossroads from the Cream period, that are not near the definitive WoF version, but then I've heard many versions on later decades, that are much more interesting than some of the Cream versions. Try the version on Into the Fire-Bootleg from Budokan October 27, 1993 DN wrote: ""But I see a trend that tends to become more and more imitational (and less and less improvisational) as time goes by."" That's totally wrong IMHO. I don't see that kind of trend: Who was he mimicking on tour 2004 Robert Johnson songs? Or when he played Have You Ever Loved a Woman? Who was he mimicking on the Tsunami Relief gig, where he mostly played the Blues? I think he's nowadays more himself than he's ever been, very relaxed and self-assured. Of course there's a very minimal possibility, that I could be wrong! Cheers Olli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050326/bb4736a1/attachment.html From rickbatty at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 12:56:44 2005 From: rickbatty at gmail.com (Rick Batty) Date: Sat Mar 26 12:56:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: DeltaNick on blues interpretations Message-ID: <011801c5322d$2d042290$6501a8c0@RTCB> DeltaNick wrote: <> Don't agree - as I said with the example of "Five Long Years". The guitar soloing on this is pure EC - it's nnot EC doing Freddie King or any other old blues guy. I think this can be said for most of EC's recent blues efforts, e.g the whole 1993 RAH blues sets. <> I could argue as you did with "Four Until Late" that WoF "Crossroads" was an exception. The style on "Spoonful" is onot much different from Howlin' Wolf's version. Personally I prefer the 1990/91 "Hideaway" to the one on Beano, even though it didn't have Mayall's awful voice on it :- <> I used the word "respect", you brought up the word "worship". What's your point? I think it's obvious EC has always had huge respect for the old blues guys, back to when he made sure Skip James got royalties for "I'm So Glad". But even if he respects them, he still puts his own signature. PArt of the reason so many of us love EC is because of the unique guitar solos he applies not only to his ownsongs but to blues covers. <> Exiles on Main Street R From rickbatty at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 13:12:50 2005 From: rickbatty at gmail.com (Rick Batty) Date: Sat Mar 26 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: blues interpretations Message-ID: <011901c5322f$6cb99300$6501a8c0@RTCB> DeltaNick wrote: <> If EC plays a different solo on a blues song EVERY time he plays the song (which he does), how in hell is that "parroting" or "imitational"? As you so politely said to a previous poster, "Thanks for your astute analysis ... simply brilliant!" R From airmacks95 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 14:27:41 2005 From: airmacks95 at yahoo.com (Steve B) Date: Sat Mar 26 14:27:43 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Clapton - Blues by the Numbers In-Reply-To: <20050326142615.4060F8C4A5@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050326192741.54738.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> > Thanks for your astute analysis ... simply > brilliant! I’m sure that none of > us ever noticed this before.<< Thanks. Coming from you that means a lot. > > The Stones did “Stop Breaking Down Blues”? When? > What album? Exile On Main Street, 1972 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ollio at mbnet.fi Sat Mar 26 18:43:24 2005 From: ollio at mbnet.fi (ollio) Date: Sat Mar 26 18:39:55 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] World tour in 2006, Strange Brew and Wrapping Paper live Message-ID: <000801c5325d$9a592d10$7fe2c551@ollionkone> Hi all, I suppose many of you have been listening to the BBC2 Slowhand: Clapton at 60 broadcast. Some news from that: EC praised both Cream and Derek & Dominos! EC is preparing for a world tour in 2006 and Eric thought that Cream could play Strange Brew and Wrapping Paper on their reunion concerts ;*)! Cheers Olli P.S. Please Eric, give Ginger a chance on Pressed and Warthog! This "song" in fact has the Cream sound all over it, brilliant bass, drums, woman-tone guitat and dadaist approach! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I asked the ticket agency, "When and how will I get my ticket, I was told, 'first we will mail you a confirmation and then either we will mail it to you, deliver it to you in London, or you pick it up at our offices in London." The particular "unauthorized" ticket agency that I am using, is where my London office gets their tickets for various events, including the RAH. They are an old, established company, and have am impeccable reputation. I recruited one of the guys in my office in London make this transaction this for me. I didn't want to lose my money that way. He paid, he got the confirmation, and was told to come back in mid-April for the ticket. E-Bay -- that's another story. I think E-Bay is "us," not us personally, but ordinary people looking to make a buck. Super scalpers. People who purchased the tickets from either RAH or where ever, and are reselling on E-Bay (which is just as salty to me, as the scalpers). It's called the "business" of music. I don't remember exactly when this started to happen, the greed part. I believe in business and I believe in making money, but the greed part, the ENRON greed part, upsets me. Concert staff have to get paid, technicians, A/V, staff, the Band, RAH staff, security, I could go on and on. I am not a financial genius here, but I am not even sure that the "face value" proceeds of the concert would have paid for all the necessary expense for this concert. I am not that familiar with the music industry to know how these expenses are covered. Did you see the original "face value" prices offered by RAH? Here they are: Balcony Standing = ? 50 (about $100 US Dollars) Restricted View Circle = ? 50 Clear View Circle = ? 75 (About $150 US Dollars) Choir = ? 125 (About $250 US Dollars) Stalls = ? 125 Boxes = ? 175 (You can do the math) The capacity for RAH is 5000. Let's say they sold 5000 tickets at $300 US dollars. That would reap $1.5M US dollars. Is that enough for Cream, and all the associated expenses? Maybe my math is off -- maybe I am just whining or getting off track, but something is up here....Read on.... I don't know. What I do know is that EC donates lots of money to Crossroads, so that would make it all worth it. With the scalpers selling balcony standing for about $550.00 US Dollars, and Choir for $1000.00 US Dollars, Very Front Stall for $1600.00 -- who do you think gets this money? Go to: _www.jackbruce.com_ (http://www.jackbruce.com) and read the statement about the ticket mess. It says, in part, "The promoters believe and have observed that the majority of tickets on sale at exploitative prices have been purchased not by touts but by members of the public with a view to using one pair of tickets and selling the other pair on" I am going to RAY in May. I owe my associate in London a bundle of money and a huge favor for jumping through hoops for me. (Now I want another ticket...but that's another story.)... Maybe I am being naive (am I?), but, I had lots of fun and sweet memories making the plans for my trip to London, but when I ran across the "Wall of Greed," I became frustrated, as I am sure many of you did. I go to London with a heavy heart. BUT: Maybe once I get to RAH and the music starts, I will be transported back to the simpler times of Cream and rock the night away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050326/76a6a750/attachment-0001.html From deltanick at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 23:06:21 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sat Mar 26 23:06:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hideaway, etc. Message-ID: <001301c53282$57623b80$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Personally I prefer the 1990/91 "Hideaway" to the one on Beano, even >> though it didn't have Mayall's awful voice on it :- << Please send me the words to "Hideaway" as John Mayall sang them on "Beano." DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050326/bf2dbf17/attachment.html From lenmoskowitz at optonline.net Sat Mar 26 23:54:49 2005 From: lenmoskowitz at optonline.net (Len Moskowitz) Date: Sat Mar 26 23:48:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] BBC Interview - Slowhand at 60 - Part One References: <79.421965db.2f7768e2@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d701c53289$1ae12c00$0300a8c0@win98> AOL EmailHere's a link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/documentaries/ericclapton.shtml Len Moskowitz Teaneck NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: EFSCHUL@aol.com To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: [Slowhand] BBC Interview - Slowhand at 60 - Part One Today, BBC Radio, broadcast part one of an interview with EC at 3:30PM (EST). (I believe Great Britain has Daylight Savings Time, next Saturday, 2 April -- so Part Two may be at 4:30 PM (EST). Check BBC Radio listings. Part One of this interview can also be heard starting tomorrow (27 March) for five days via BBC Radio Two archives. It was a good interview. EC said he would have a world tour next year (2006). I believe he said the word "definitely." See you at RAH in May! E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050326/7ef0856b/attachment.html From liabar at tin.it Sun Mar 27 03:24:04 2005 From: liabar at tin.it (liabar@tin.it) Date: Sun Mar 27 03:24:08 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] happy easter to the community Message-ID: <4200088E0007A861@ims3c.cp.tin.it> Hello slowhanders from all over the globe It's 10. a.m. in Italy of Easter day I Wish you a serene and lovely day to all of you : to those in Australia that have already been celebrating To the British Scandinavian EC followers that might envy the Italian sun (Don't worry too much about it! It's raining and cold!! ) and to the American friends that are going to wake up soon.... (delta nick on top, of course) and obviously buona pasqua to Gaetano and Roberto the two greatest Italian slowhanders (hope to be able to listen to the BBC Radio 2 i nterview,,,, it was too busy yesterday)....... Cheers lia From deltanick at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 09:47:22 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Sun Mar 27 09:47:30 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re Happy Easter Message-ID: <001201c532db$e3c48160$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> Hello slowhanders from all over the globe ... Easter day ... I Wish you a >> serene and lovely day to all of you << Orthodox Christians celebrate on 1 May this year. So, it's not Easter for everyone. DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050327/dc3aa5d9/attachment.html From rickbatty at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 10:23:09 2005 From: rickbatty at gmail.com (Rick Batty) Date: Sun Mar 27 10:23:20 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Interesting interview from 1999... Message-ID: <015301c532e0$e346d3a0$6501a8c0@RTCB> Interesting interview with EC from 1999 in the German version of Penthouse, which I had not seen previously. http://www.clapton-online.com/clapton/mags/peg1099/ecpeg1099.html The quote below might give certain people on this list a heart attack :-) P: Certainly. The last guitar, that went to the auction table, was a Stratocaster, the one affectionately called "Brownie" by fans around the world. EC: "Brownie " was an old '56 Stratocaster, that I bought eleven years later, because I was not quite satisfied with the weak/bad sound of my Gibson SG. R From JEngel2000 at cableone.net Sun Mar 27 12:35:33 2005 From: JEngel2000 at cableone.net (Jeff Engelmann) Date: Sun Mar 27 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Slowhand Digest, Vol 5, Issue 192 References: <20050327171501.860008C699@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <001a01c532f3$6166dca0$6400a8c0@computer> >> Personally I prefer the 1990/91 "Hideaway" to the one on Beano, even though it didn't have Mayall's awful voice on it :- << Please send me the words to "Hideaway" as John Mayall sang them on "Beano." DeltaNick It's a common misconception that Mayall did the vocal on Hideaway; actually it was the drummer who later appeared on "Turning Point," and whose name still escapes me. FWIW this was his first time sitting in with the band: You cain't see me, Hoo lawdy you cain't see me, 'Cause I'm all alone in my hideaway, Oh no lawd you cain't see me. You cain't hear me, Hoo lawdy you cain't hear me, 'Cause I'm all alone in my hideaway, Oh no lawd you cain't hear me. It's buried a little too deep in the mix for my taste. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050327/b4f08e75/attachment.html From turbineltd at btconnect.com Sun Mar 27 13:53:51 2005 From: turbineltd at btconnect.com (John Mills) Date: Sun Mar 27 13:49:48 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Breathe again DN Message-ID: <003f01c532fe$52b2d1e0$0100a8c0@dellws410> The Penthouse article that Batty-Boy alluded to, has the following preface: "Many thanks to Thomas Missfelt for the German to Portuguese translation, to Marissom Ricardo Roso and Andre Salles for the Portuguese to English. My bit was to make that English, uhm.. more English, colloquial and natural sounding. I hope we have all succeeded." The "weak/bad" expression shows the translators' inexactitude; there are several similar examples in the transliterated article. From llrrbb4 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 14:31:36 2005 From: llrrbb4 at yahoo.com (Lauren Blatt) Date: Sun Mar 27 14:31:38 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Happy Easter In-Reply-To: <20050327171503.9228F8C7D5@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20050327193136.2186.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> Nick, what the hell is wrong with you? Is that supposed to be funny, because it came off as totally ungracious. Can't you for once pretend you don't think you know everything and just say thank you? Is there never a day when you aren't a grump? To: slowhand@planet-torque.com Message-ID: <4200088E0007A861@ims3c.cp.tin.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Hello slowhanders from all over the globe It's 10. a.m. in Italy of Easter day I Wish you a serene and lovely day to all of you : to those in Australia that have already been celebrating To the British Scandinavian EC followers that might envy the Italian sun (Don't worry too much about it! It's raining and cold!! ) and to the American friends that are going to wake up soon.... (delta nick on top, of course) and obviously buona pasqua to Gaetano and Roberto the two greatest Italian slowhanders (hope to be able to listen to the BBC Radio 2 i nterview,,,, it was too busy yesterday)....... Cheers lia ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:47:22 -0500 From: "DeltaNick" Subject: [Slowhand] Re Happy Easter To: "Slowhand Digest" Message-ID: <001201c532db$e3c48160$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" >> Hello slowhanders from all over the globe ... Easter day ... I Wish you a >> serene and lovely day to all of you << Orthodox Christians celebrate on 1 May this year. So, it's not Easter for everyone. DeltaNick -------------- next part ------- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My post of an EC quote that he bought Brownie because he didn't like the Gibson SG tone must be really blasphemous to incite rudeness and insulting me and the translators. The translation must be wrong or else they would not be right and EC would have actually preferred a Strat! Couldn't be possible!! Andre, if you are still on the list, I'm sure you are a great translator since your posts always showed a great command of English. I don't think you are guilty of "inexactitude". I shall now recite 100 Hail Beanos, 100 "I like John Mayall's voice" and burn my copies of Pilgrim, Me & Mr. Johnson and Reptile. Batty-Boy From Garret74 at aol.com Mon Mar 28 12:42:54 2005 From: Garret74 at aol.com (Garret74@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 28 12:43:11 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Is there never a day when you aren't a grump? Message-ID: <127.58e9bc8b.2f799c1e@aol.com> I'm still laughing... But I always thought the vocal on Hideaway was fantastic, nearly as good as the vocal on Stepin Out! Further, the unreleased but classic The Stumble with re-worked vocals my John McVie...tasty! Just one serious point. The reason why Eric gets such praise for his originality on the Beano album is that few had been exposed to Freddie King or Albert King, Otis Rush, or Buddy Guy...and no one had heard a white English boy play like this before. He is still lifting, verbatim sometimes, whole rifts- note the line on All Your Love, where he copies Otis Rush's' break note for note! Now, Clapton had smoothed things over, taken some of the rough edges off his hero's licks, sped them up...but if anything, Eric was more of a mimic than someone who'd found their real voice at that point in his career. True, the passion he played with is overwhelming, but I don't hear a man who'd found his own voice yet, just an incredible mimic. I think Eric is much more original and creative now. Cheers.. Garret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When it got to the other end, it was "Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance" John From rickbatty at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 13:43:43 2005 From: rickbatty at gmail.com (Rick Batty) Date: Mon Mar 28 13:44:09 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: Garret on EC's originality Message-ID: <002501c533c6$130987a0$6501a8c0@RTCB> Garret wrote: <> Garret, I don't have my CDs with me here in London but if I remember correctly, I don't remember the Beano "Hideaway" being much different from the Freddie King version. I agree with you about Eric being more original and creative now. Cheers, R From darmel at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 14:02:11 2005 From: darmel at sbcglobal.net (Mel Boss) Date: Mon Mar 28 14:02:13 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re:Breathe again, DN Message-ID: <20050328190211.95490.qmail@web81708.mail.yahoo.com> >John Mills wrote: "The Penthouse article that Batty-Boy alluded to..." John, I think that, perhaps, your email to the digest (above) lost something in its translation. At least I hope that it did, for there is no room in this digest for this level of demeaning banter. Richard Batty is a good friend. He's a gentleman, highly educated, thoughtful and generous, and I think that you owe him an heart-filled apology, and if I misinterpreted the tone of your reply, then I apologize for over-reacting. Mel Boss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050328/675666d7/attachment.html From tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU Mon Mar 28 14:03:52 2005 From: tracyo at CLEMSON.EDU (Tracy Outlaw) Date: Mon Mar 28 14:03:15 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] DN In-Reply-To: <20050328171502.7F74C8C996@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050328135404.038e94b8@mail.clemson.edu> At 12:15 PM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Nick, what the hell is wrong with you? Is that supposed to be funny, >because it came off as totally ungracious. >Can't you for once pretend you don't think you know everything and just >say thank you? > >Is there never a day when you aren't a grump? I agree with you on this, Lauren. I don't think he's ever a grump, though. I think he's a pedantic joke. I imagine that he sits in a room--one just down the hall from his parents and little sister--and sews on his big velvet robe, in which he has embroidered "EC Loves Me...This I Know." He has visions of you and I, in line, ready to genuflect before him and kiss his hem...his hem made out of those little bracelets you get at concerts so you can go get in the beer line. Then, as a hush falls over the room...the one with green shag carpet and a mural depicting the last supper of Cream....he reminds us that he, and only he, can truly save the world and its guitars from their wretched wretched spiral unto, in his opinion, oblivion. 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URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050328/6af7c000/attachment.html From liabar at tin.it Mon Mar 28 16:41:51 2005 From: liabar at tin.it (liabar@tin.it) Date: Mon Mar 28 16:41:57 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] RE: re happy Easter In-Reply-To: <20050328171504.01B4D8C99C@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <4200088E0007B8EF@ims3c.cp.tin.it> Hello , Sorry to bother about simple Easter wishes again , Don't worry Laura I am collecting Delta Nick's caustic invitation: I will be sending a similar message on may 1st and the problem will be sorted out ;-) But He was right in reminding me our culture is not the only one Still I simply wanted to show my global gratitude and affection to some people who seem to share a passion with me in a particular significative day for many (ooops) for some of us... that's all. Bye the way Cream's dates are approaching I am longing to read great written reports from the lucky ones. ciao lia ..... and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you made........... L McC From ska946 at northwestern.edu Mon Mar 28 17:06:19 2005 From: ska946 at northwestern.edu (Sandra K. Anderson) Date: Mon Mar 28 17:06:35 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Guy, Mayall, Sumlin to Play Chicago Blues Fest Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050328154716.02f10858@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> If ever there were a year for EC to make a guest appearance at the Chicago Blues Fest, this is it! Buddy Guy, Koko Taylor, Mavis Staples, John Mayall...and Muddy Waters' sidemen (including Hubert Sumlin) are all scheduled to play. See story below. The Fest will run from June 9th to 12th in Grant Park, which is easily accessible from the downtown business/shopping area. And it is free (but, typically *very* crowded). Blues Fest beefs up lineup with Guy, Taylor, Staples, Mayall March 25, 2005 By Jeff Johnson (Chicago Sun-Times) The Chicago Blues Festival, which has been sorely lacking in star power in recent years, has announced a schedule for 2005 that offers an intriguing nightly mainstage lineup. The 22nd annual event, billed as the largest free blues festival in the world, will take place June 9-12 at the Petrillo Music Shell and several auxiliary stages in Grant Park. The lineup is particularly heavy on established stars on the local blues scene. Nightly headliners include the Queen of the Blues, Koko Taylor, and Her Blues Machine on Friday; Chicago blues kingpin and new Rock and Roll Hall of Fame member Buddy Guy on Saturday, and soul-gospel legend Mavis Staples bringing down the curtain on Sunday. British blues is well represented, as well, with Rolling Stones "Sticky Fingers"-era guitarist Mick Taylor joining his old boss John Mayall and Mayall's Bluesbreakers for Thursday's opening-night show closers. Another seminal name in British blues-rock, Kim Simmonds, will front a version of Savoy Brown for a 40th anniversary celebration that also includes Foghat's Rod Price and onetime Savoy Brown member Bob Hall. Preceding Koko Taylor's set on Friday, the traditional Chicago night at the fest, will be an all-star assemblage of Muddy Waters sidemen, including Hubert Sumlin, Steady Rollin' Bob Margolin, Pinetop Perkins, Willie "Big Eyes" Smith and Mookie Brill. From almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 18:30:52 2005 From: almighty_geetarz at yahoo.com (Almighty Geetarz) Date: Mon Mar 28 18:30:53 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Re: Easter Message-ID: <20050328233052.10401.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> Deltanick Wrote: >> Hello slowhanders from all over the globe ... Easter day ... I Wish you a serene and lovely day to all of you << Orthodox Christians celebrate on 1 May this year. So, it's not Easter for everyone. ---------- Nick, What the fuck is your problem? You can't even accept a heartfelt, sincere, kind thought without being a prick about it? As it were, your comment, brusque and annoying as it was, is also woefully incomplete, failing to point out the differences between the Roman and Alexandrian methods of determining the date, Julian and Gregorian calendar differences, its date being derived from what was a pagan spring festival, ties to Judiasm, and many more things. At the very least, if you're going to be an ass you should be more concise. In your haste you also omitted to bring up a multitude of issues about when Easter Day, depending on when one observes it, actually begins, depending on time zone differences, Daylight Savings time issues, and the like. You must be really fun at parties. AG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Cobhome at aol.com Mon Mar 28 19:48:38 2005 From: Cobhome at aol.com (Cobhome@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 28 19:48:50 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] ec interview Message-ID: <157.4d91bb4f.2f79ffe6@aol.com> cOULD SOMEONE TAKE PITY ON THE SOUND CARD AFFLICTED AMONG US - AND GIVE A REPORT ON THE BBC INTERVIEW - tHANKS! CECELIA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050328/f5ca5f86/attachment-0001.html From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Mar 28 21:21:20 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Mon Mar 28 21:21:41 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Cream, "Gold" 2xCD Set Message-ID: <002801c53406$06f4ecd0$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> According to "ICE" Magazine (April 2005, p. 21), a double-gold CD set, titled "Gold," will be released on 26 April 2005. The first CD will feature studio tracks; the second will feature live tracks. Although no "new" tracks are reported, the studio CD will include a stereo version of "I'm So Glad from "Fresh Cream." DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/slowhand/attachments/20050328/44e2dcaa/attachment.html From g.reen at comcast.net Mon Mar 28 22:04:47 2005 From: g.reen at comcast.net (Green) Date: Mon Mar 28 22:04:59 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] We'd be in the middle of a song and not remember what it was Message-ID: <20050329030457.DFD928C5F2@six.pairlist.net> This time I won't forget what song I'm playing 29/03/2005 Eric Clapton, celebrating his 60th birthday, is tuning up for the first Cream concert in 36 years with Jack and Ginger - but no drugs. Hugh Davies reports. Eric Clapton has told his fans that they will notice something different about him when he returns to the stage with Cream for the first time in 36 years: he won't forget what he is playing halfway through a solo. Eric Clapton: 'I can't slow down' Rock's first supergroup sold 35 million records with a new form of "heavy" music that fused hard rock, blues and jazz. But the guitarist's performances were often blurred by his consumption of drugs and drink. Clapton said: "We'd be in the middle of a song and not remember what it was. You just kept playing until you recalled what it was you were coming back to." Even now, he said, it was "difficult to remember if there were any lucid periods. I don't think there were. I think it was wall-to-wall, bang-at-it stuff." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/29/nclap29.xml& sSheet=/news/2005/03/29/ixhome.html From deltanick at comcast.net Mon Mar 28 22:12:21 2005 From: deltanick at comcast.net (DeltaNick) Date: Mon Mar 28 22:12:31 2005 Subject: [Slowhand] Hideaway Message-ID: <006401c5340d$21645590$103ffa45@D4MT8H51> >> I don't remember the Beano "Hideaway" being much different from the >> Freddie King version. << “‘Hideaway’ isn’t anything like Freddie King’s version, really. I had the confidence to play my version even then [in 1966], and when I did, and when I got a reaction, I knew I was doing the right thing” (Eric Clapton, as quoted in Peter Guralnick, “Eric Clapton At The Passion Threshold,” "Musician," February 1990, p. 48). DeltaNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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