[Woodcarver] Why not? (was, When should a carving be retired from competion?)

[herb hall]

I think that the NWCA could (possibly should, still a little undecided) 
sponsor the development of some voluntary standards/general guidelines that 
over time as they are time tested, adjusted, and generally accepted could be 
the basis for a national standard. It would initially have to rely on an 
honor system and judges to ensure compliance, but that's not a problem in my 
mind. I've found the woodcarving community to be a very honest and 
forthright bunch. If they want to use the standard they will...

Herb Hall



>From: "Joe Dillett" <jdillett at thecarvingshop.com>
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>To: "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>
>Subject: [Woodcarver] Why not? (was,When should a carving be retired from 
>competion?)
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:33:37 -0500
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>Fellow carvers,
>
>Why not develop national guidelines and certified judges like other events
>such as Barbershop Quartets and Dog Shows? Those judges work up the ranks 
>by
>being judged by other more qualified judges to hone their judging skills. 
>It
>takes years to achieve the skill and reputation as a good judge. The event
>pays big bucks to fly in certified judges for dog shows and barbershop
>quartets so why don't we carvers?
>
>Big bucks are why we don't. Maybe if the majority of our income depended on
>winning competitions and our income levels would compare with the big time
>dog breeders or a winning barbershop quartet there would be better
>standards? Maybe there are enough woodcarvers out there, whose income
>depends on winning and would benefit greatly by universal standards, who
>might begin an organization to achieve universal standards and judging
>certifications. Woodcarving is growing along with income levels so this
>might not be such a far-fetched idea.
>
>People like me, who never enter competitions, may need to begin entering if
>there was a need to compare our work to a universal standard or suffer the
>loss of income. Universal standards, qualified judges and artist
>participation all boils down to money and I don't see it happening in the
>near future.
>
>
>Joe Dillett
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J and C Lukens" <jaycee at earthlink.net>
>To: "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] When should a carving be retired from competion?
>
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> > Mike....ive weighed in on this before, but you bring up a different 
>aspect
> > of the carver that goes from show to show with the same carving.....lets
> > say that I place a carving in a show and get a first place.....IF this
> > award boosts me up to the next level (IF we were under judging 
>credentials
> > and standards, either local AND national)....then it would, in my 
>opinion,
> > be acceptable to go to another show, but compete in the next
>level....there
> > is absolutely no contradiction in that move.....BUT it seems to me that
> > just moving around the country with you carvings to see if you could get 
>a
> > better chance to get a better award, and that is what i believe they are
> > doing, is playing the judging game......UNTIL we have a national 
>standard
> > by which we ALL can come to agreement with, we will probably see those 
>who
> > just rotate around the shows and gather ribbons like trophies and are 
>not
> > judged on their abilities, but only on their one-time 
>creations......does
> > this really provoke us to do better, or just stay the same??????
> >
> > John aka Mr Chips (say hello to the chat gang)
> >
> >
> > > what I wanted to aim for (or maybe just gaze at it incredulously and
>sadly
> > > shake my head).  And finally, and this has been touched on, if I owned
>the
> > > carving in question (sweated over it... cried over it... bled over 
>it),
>I
> > > would want to test it against as many competitions, other pieces, and
> > other
> > > judges as possible. Especially considering the variables in those 
>areas.
> > >
> > > Cruising between levels, between different shows or competing with it 
>at
>a
> > > lower level than it belongs is a whole 'nuther thing.  The record
>keeping
> > to
> > > bring that under control is beyond most organizations.  I believe the
> > > California Woodcarvers Guild might be the closest to having a handle 
>on
> > > that, but the view from this side of the States is kinda fur, and I
> > wouldn't
> > > want to speak for them.
> >
> >
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