[Woodcarver] WOOD CARVER FROM INDIA

[Joe Brott]

Bill, I am a retired old man, non-commercial or hobby type carver as noted 
by the gentleman , but not necessarily a ugly American because I do not know 
how or where to sell his carvings.

I can not sell carvings on a woodcarving mail list either.

Maybe he needs Ebay or some other commercial venue rather than wasting time 
and effort on folks in my situation or similar.  Old Joe


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/woodcarvingfun/

Old Joe Woodcarving
Plattsmouth, NE
web site:  http://www.oldjoe.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Judt" <bjudt at sasktel.net>
To: "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] WOOD CARVER FROM INDIA



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> I'm not inclined to dismiss this letter from Sarfaraz as "insulting".  I 

> don't think that was his intent. And I don't think his message 

> constitutes SPAM, either.

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> There are people in third world countries who make a subsistence  living 

> from wood carving... think of the work that makes its way into  the stores 

> run by "Ten Thousand Villages" (http:// www.tenthousandvillages.ca/). I 

> think this is what he is talking about.

>

> We need to remember that North American carvers carve mostly for  pleasure 

> and as a pass-time. Most carvers overseas, especially in  poorer countries 

> carve because their life depends on it. Those who  actually make a living 

> from their carving have organized, as Sarfaraz  is suggesting, to create 

> and market their wood carving products and  to obtain "fair wage" for 

> their work.

>

> Sarfaraz, I believe, misunderstands the mentality of the North  American 

> carver, who carves to be creative, to socialize, to relieve  stress. Few 

> North American carvers make their living by carving. This  can come as a 

> shock to those who come from poor countries where  carving skills are 

> life-skills.

>

> Yet in my 25 years of experience as a carving instructor, I've  noticed 

> that carving is done mostly by retired men and women, or  those who are 

> close to retirement, and wish to prepare for it by  establishing a solid 

> hobby to take them through the retirement years.  So Sarfaraz is not far 

> off the mark in his assessment of N.A. carving.

>

> What he also misunderstands is that most N.A. carvers do not want  carving 

> to become work for them. That would take the fun, creativity  and benefits 

> away from this type of activity.

>

> So, give Sarfaraz a break, OK? Perhaps he has something to teach us.

>

> Blessing and Peace,

>

> Bill

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> On 21-Oct-06, at 10:44 PM, Byron wrote:

>>

>> Kind of insulting.  I've seen this kind of talk before.  If you  want to 

>> see more just do a search on 419.

>>

>> Byron Kinnaman

>> abkinnaman at earthlink.net

>> http://home.earthlink.net/~abkinnaman

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>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: ASIA CARVINGS

>> To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net

>> Sent: 10/21/2006 9:29:27 PM

>> Subject: [Woodcarver] WOOD CARVER FROM INDIA

>>

>> Hi all,

>> I have been on this woodcarver digest list for sometime as a trial  for 

>> one month granted to me by Mr.bill. I experienced that this  portal could 

>> be used much better but most of the carver over here  are engaged in just 

>> personal chitchat. I felt that most of the  carvers are retired and 

>> having done their last best of the life. No  one is interested in 

>> utilising carving skill for giving employment  to many by marketing the 

>> products and importing and exporting  somethings between some countries. 

>> It seems that this portal is  mainly for the retired old men who have no 

>> more interest in doing  business with the people of other world.

>> This is my humble request to all who read this, please interact and  help 

>> people in marketing woodcarvings to generate employements. Do  not share 

>> life time experience for personal satisfaction. One of  your very small 

>> move can become a source for the bread of many  people in other 

>> countries. This looks indirect but direct  assistance or help to the 

>> mankind and humanity.

>> Any way, please forgive me if it hurt anyone.

>> There are many countries where many highly skilled carver are being 

>> exploited by large fish in the ocean and they are unble to obtain  right 

>> wages for them and they are unable to obtain easy bread for  their 

>> families and hence this noble job is under extinction in many  countries.

>> I want to raise a voice for such unidentified carvers and so I  establish 

>> an institution in India and wish to organise carvers from  around the 

>> world to get those skilled carver on the rise who are  hidden due to some 

>> uncertain reasons. people around the world  mainly fron developed 

>> countries must help with their experience to  organise this move for 

>> charity or so.

>> Well i need your attantion please

>> Sarfaraz

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