[Woodcarver] wood carver from India

[R. Stephan Toman]

That's the third time you've wacked this dead horse, Byron...Did it 
ever occur to you that Sarfaraz might just be trying to recoup his 
losses on postage?  I doubt he makes much more than $1000 bucks a 
year.  And it costs $10 bucks to ship 2 lbs from India to the 
states.  Would you be willing to send a free sample of your carvings 
if it was going to cost you three days income to do so, with no 
guaranteed results?  Not everybody trying to make a living through 
the Internet  is a scam artist.  With an attitude like yours, it's no 
wonder Sarfaraz got testy.  The Ugly American seems to be on the rise 
again...which none of us needs in today's world.  Sarfaraz bent over 
backwards to send samples to me when I asked him to, and I think that 
he is reluctant make such an investment again since it has been over 
a year, and I have been having so much trouble finding a way to use 
his skills. You're at least as out of order as he might have been to 
so strenuously attack the character of a man you do not know in any 
way. Now back to your regularly scheduled carving topics.

Stephan

At 05:24 PM 10/24/2006, you wrote:

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>The name for what I believe he was trying accomplish is Advance Fee 

>Fraud.   Sometimes refered to as Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud or 

>419.  It's a scam that's been around for many years.  Recently 

>there's been many twists and turns on the same scheme.  The pattern 

>of his initial post and then playing the "guilt" card leads me to 

>believe that's what he was doing.  Then Mike indicated the guy asked 

>for money, which is exactly how the scheme works.  You send your 

>money and he'll come back for more until you catch on.  Lots of 

>people seem to get taken in by this type of activity and guilt card 

>works quite well.

>

>Now back to your regularly scheduled carving topics.

>

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>-----Original Message-----

> >From: ALTillio at aol.com

> >Sent: Oct 24, 2006 4:26 PM

> >To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net

> >Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] wood carver from India

> >Hi,

>I don't think people are upset about someone trying to make money.

>It is more about the way he is going about.

>Trying to make people feel guilty is not a way to get help.

>It builds resentment in most people.

>Things may be bad for him in his country, but things are not always 

>great here. Most of us have work very hard to get where we are and 

>what we have.

>India, or whatever it may have been called, was there long before 

>there was a US.

>Instead of working to make their own country better they look to us for help.

>It really should be the other way around.

>Asking us to pay for the privilege of helping him seems way out of order.

>If you believe you have something worth selling you should be 

>willing to send a sample of what you are doing.

>I can't imagine asking someone to pay me to receive a sample of my work.

>I also don't think we should be making excuse for him in the way it 

>is translated. It is not so much his word's but the attitude that 

>comes through that is offensive.

>Audrey

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   R. Stephan Toman - artisan/carver
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