From bjudt at sasktel.net Sun Jun 1 00:40:48 2008 From: bjudt at sasktel.net (Bill Judt) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 22:40:48 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] Virtual Porch. In-Reply-To: <003001c8c30f$3013d130$763afd63@your27e1513d96> References: <16417059-485A-446F-A27E-BE905EFE7A7B@sasktel.net> <003001c8c30f$3013d130$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Message-ID: Jan: With the ease of exchanging photos, the virtual porch is an idea of the past, IMHO. Bill "See if you can count your blessings..." My books are for sale at: http://wwwoodcarver.com/Books/index.html W.F. Judt, 46 Harvard Cres, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, S7H3R1 PH: 306-373-6649 bjudt at sasktel.net Website: http://www.wwwoodcarver.com On 31-May-08, at 5:12 AM, Jan Oegema wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > About the Virtual Porch: > > The actual porch is dismantled, but most of the carvings survive on > the ledge of the wall in front of my computer workstation. I see > them every day, and reflect often on the project and the people that > participated in it. The chimney is intact, as is the keyboard too. I > have fun showing my students the carved keyboard and mouse pad. > Classics!! > > Bill > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Think you would consider a revival of the V Porch ,Bill ?? > I feel that with this many members it would be a great Idea > Woodbutcher Jan > > > You are invited to check out my website.. > http://www.janscarvingstudio.com > > Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... > http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher > > http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ > > > http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abkinnaman at earthlink.net Sun Jun 1 01:49:15 2008 From: abkinnaman at earthlink.net (Byron) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 22:49:15 -0700 Subject: [Woodcarver] Virtual Porch. Message-ID: <380-220086015491593@earthlink.net> Jan, I think that there's a way for the list to do a large project like the virtual porch again. Here's an example, our local carving club carves Christmas ornaments to decorate a tree every year for the Salem Senior Center. The Senior Center has an fund raising auction a little before Christmas. One of the items auctioned off is the tree full of carved ornaments. If somebody (Jan) could find an acceptable charity outlet for several theme carvings a project could be done. Many carvers would participate if they knew where their work was going or at least where any monetary gain from their carving is going. This is something that could be discussed just like we did when the virtual porch was created. Byron Kinnaman abkinnaman at earthlink.net http://byronscabin.kinnamans.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Judt To: [Woodcarver] Sent: 5/31/2008 9:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Virtual Porch. Jan: With the ease of exchanging photos, the virtual porch is an idea of the past, IMHO. Bill "See if you can count your blessings..." My books are for sale at: http://wwwoodcarver.com/Books/index.html W.F. Judt, 46 Harvard Cres, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, S7H3R1 PH: 306-373-6649 bjudt at sasktel.net Website: http://www.wwwoodcarver.com On 31-May-08, at 5:12 AM, Jan Oegema wrote: Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html About the Virtual Porch: The actual porch is dismantled, but most of the carvings survive on the ledge of the wall in front of my computer workstation. I see them every day, and reflect often on the project and the people that participated in it. The chimney is intact, as is the keyboard too. I have fun showing my students the carved keyboard and mouse pad. Classics!! Bill +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Think you would consider a revival of the V Porch ,Bill ?? I feel that with this many members it would be a great Idea Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jancarves3 at rogers.com Sun Jun 1 07:30:13 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Virtual Porch. References: <380-220086015491593@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008c01c8c3da$dc30c650$763afd63@your27e1513d96> If somebody (Jan) could find an acceptable charity outlet for several theme carvings a project could be done. Many carvers would participate if they knew where their work was going or at least where any monetary gain from their carving is going. This is something that could be discussed just like we did when the virtual porch was created. Byron Kinnaman ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'll give it some thought (Although thinking hurts ) I am sure many of us are already carving for Christmas charity 's The three clubs I belong to are doing it BUT there MUST be a way that we can stir up some activity on this list One thought thats close to my mind is "MS" We have a daughter with MS andtwo weeks ago she qwent to her specialist (Thea took her ) and her eyesight was 20 /20 End in a matter of 3 days she is blind with her left eye Just overnight it happen And I am sure there are many great projects to carve for Right now I am carving parts for a antuque COOKOO Clock from India There are patrs missing and its kind of a challence to build it up I do have a twin clock to go by that helps Been carving 8 (eight) hat forms Like for Polo hats amnd each one had to be a 3/8 " smaller in circumverance Kinda tricky But I got them done in a week and the client was in his words "SUPER"happy and that give me a great feeling Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Sun Jun 1 14:01:13 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:01:13 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Sunday Woodcarver Chat Message-ID: <20080601180116.60B592902AB@smtp1.av-mx.com> Join in on the fun!!! For informative and fun REAL TIME conversations with a number of the carvers on "The List", come to the Woodcarver chats. We don't always talk about carving, but if anyone has a question or comment, we can get serious in a hurry. Get to know the people behind the names. And bring you carving questions with you!!! We meet on Wednesday nights at 9:30 PM Eastern and on Sundays at 4:30 PM Eastern. If you are NOT using an IRC chat program, I think you will like these simplified instructions!!! Just click on one of the links below...either will take you directly to #Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_williamslake.html?chan=#Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_stopover.html?chan=#woodcarverchat This may take a LONG time to load!!!!!!! Don't give up. When it finally does load, you will be asked to type in a nickname.....then click connect, and wait a little bit longer. The chat screen will open. Type something in the narrow horizontal space just below the chat screen and hit you enter key. Nothing to it! :) If you are using WebTV or still have trouble getting there, one of these links will work...we just save them as a last resort in case all other links don't work: http://63.79.14.90/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://cobra-ip1.vipershells.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://stopover.ky.us.starlink-irc.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi (This one will have the fastest connection) Type in a nickname where it says"nickname"i Where is says, "channel", type in #woodcarverchat (don't forget the #). ******* If you are using an mIRC chat program: 1. Log onto your ISP. 2. Open mIRC. You should see a box "mIRC Options". If you don't then click on View then on "Options" Fill in the information there...you do NOT have to put in your real name or email address. For security purposes, make them up. Do put in the nickname you want and an alternative. 4. Click on the button with the sunburst icon, just to the right of the button that says, "Connect to Server". Where it says "IRC Network", scroll down until you see "Starlink-IRC" and highlight that so it shows in the window. There is also a Starlink network, so make sure that the one you select has the "IRC" after it. Now click on the arrow next to the IRC server window. That will list a number of Starlink-IRC servers....select one of them. The Starlink-IRC random server will automatically pick one of the servers for you, so you can use that one. With one of the Starlink-IRC servers in the window, click on "Connect to Server" If the Starlink Random Server is not in your mirc program you can add it: Click the "add" button. Where it says "Description" type "Starlink Random Server" Where it says "IRC Server" type IRC.STARLINK-IRC.ORG Port should be 6664,6665,6666,6667,6668,6669 (all of those with no spaces between them) and "Group" is Starlink-IRC 5. Once connected, you'll see lots of scrolling text. When that stops, type /join #Woodcarverchat in the window at the bottom and hit your "enter" key. (you need the / and #, and Woodcarverchat must be spelled exactly right) ******* See you there! E-mail me off the list for additional information and instructions. Marcia Berkall or Jack Royer whitwood at fairpoint.net jdeuell at reinbeck.net See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From outdoor111 at verizon.net Sun Jun 1 14:20:19 2008 From: outdoor111 at verizon.net (SANDIE ROOSA) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] website software Message-ID: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi gang, Ol' Don needs to do some work on his website. He has always used Frontpage and it is now time to find a new program to do the website easier. He doesn't want a lot of advertisements popping up so it can not be a free program. He prefers a wysiwyg program instead of a pure html format. Any experience with any of the new ones out there - Expression? etc? Thanks, Sandie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Sun Jun 1 14:26:43 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:26:43 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] website software In-Reply-To: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080601182645.598481BF6D7@smtp0.av-mx.com> Hi, Sandie, I have been using CoffeeCup Software for over 10 years and just love it. The regular html editor has both wysiwyg and editor in one program. I use it not only for my own web site, but for clients' sites as well. It's $49.00 with free upgrades for life...awesome company. I don't get anything by recommending it, but can get you a 20% discount. Just use the link in my email signature. good luck!! Marcia Hi gang, > >Ol' Don needs to do some work on his website. He has always used >Frontpage and it is now time to find a new program to do the website >easier. He doesn't want a lot of advertisements popping up so it can >not be a free program. He prefers a wysiwyg program instead of a >pure html format. > >Any experience with any of the new ones out there - Expression? etc? > >Thanks, > >Sandie See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 16:01:17 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] website software Message-ID: <718640.81509.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've been using GeoCities for 10 years and it is very easy. I have the Pro version now, for $8.95/month- no ads and I only us 2% of the available space. It is big. Trust me- if I can use it it is very wysiwyg-lol Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: SANDIE ROOSA > To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2008 1:20:19 PM > Subject: [Woodcarver] website software > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > Hi gang, > > Ol' Don needs to do some work on his website. He has always used Frontpage and > it is now time to find a new program to do the website easier. He doesn't want a > lot of advertisements popping up so it can not be a free program. He prefers a > wysiwyg program instead of a pure html format. > > Any experience with any of the new ones out there - Expression? etc? > > Thanks, > > Sandie From carvinggreg at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 16:44:13 2008 From: carvinggreg at gmail.com (Greg Wilkerson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] website software In-Reply-To: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com> Hi Sandie, I've been using Microsoft Expression for a while now. I like it more than I did FrontPage. It has a little bit of a learning curve to it, but once you get used to it, it is pretty easy to work with. I think Ol' Don can get it for $99 upgrading from FrontPage. Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of SANDIE ROOSA Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:20 PM To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Subject: [Woodcarver] website software Hi gang, Ol' Don needs to do some work on his website. He has always used Frontpage and it is now time to find a new program to do the website easier. He doesn't want a lot of advertisements popping up so it can not be a free program. He prefers a wysiwyg program instead of a pure html format. Any experience with any of the new ones out there - Expression? etc? Thanks, Sandie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jancarves3 at rogers.com Sun Jun 1 17:43:37 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:43:37 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] website software References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com> Message-ID: <005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Halloooo Greg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are still with us Here I thought you'd moved on to an other world Good to see you are still here Been writing you on and off an d NEVER got word back Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wileyti at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 18:40:44 2008 From: wileyti at yahoo.com (Tim Wiley) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:40:44 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] website software In-Reply-To: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6F8295DC6040416093CDF42F85906E9A@HomePC> I use Net Objects for mine.. Drawback is that it is a little on the expensive side but is very user friendly and has all of the bells and whistles.... ----- Original Message ----- From: SANDIE ROOSA To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: [Woodcarver] website software Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi gang, Ol' Don needs to do some work on his website. He has always used Frontpage and it is now time to find a new program to do the website easier. He doesn't want a lot of advertisements popping up so it can not be a free program. He prefers a wysiwyg program instead of a pure html format. Any experience with any of the new ones out there - Expression? etc? Thanks, Sandie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin_leenhouts at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 22:11:29 2008 From: martin_leenhouts at yahoo.com (Martin Leenhouts) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] website software In-Reply-To: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <235349.73475.qm@web52411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Sandie, I am using Expression Web2 for www.MyChipCarving.com. Check it out. I'm not an html guru and I find Expression Web nice to use. With experience using FrontPage, I think Expression Web might be a logical choice. Good luck! Marty www.MyChipCarving.com --- On Sun, 6/1/08, SANDIE ROOSA <outdoor111 at verizon.net> wrote: From: SANDIE ROOSA <outdoor111 at verizon.net> Subject: [Woodcarver] website software To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 1:20 PM Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html_______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvickie1m at juno.com Sun Jun 1 23:51:14 2008 From: mvickie1m at juno.com (mvickie1m at juno.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:51:14 GMT Subject: [Woodcarver] Museum Message-ID: <20080601.235114.18223.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Hi Joe Have not been doing any carving in a long time. Tools still sharp. Been SICK. But I'm coming around. Found my 10 year old chess set that I need to finish . found a chain I need to finish also. Well. I better get to it. Vickie in Chicago ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nJgx7gVzfFQsvWCCYYhDYQHqoR4dFzJRaSUUlMLyVQnHrNe/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Mon Jun 2 08:20:09 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:20:09 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com> <005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Message-ID: <002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe> Ditto what Jan said, Greg. Nice to see you on the List. I was wondering if you still get time to work your carving business. Things sure have a way of taking away our carving time. I've been spending the last few days getting my mini orchard (21 fruit trees) into shape. In clearing the underbrush there isn't anything big enough for a cane or walking stick so its all firewood. Although it isn't carving related work, it sure is nice to spend time working outdoors. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Oegema To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] website software Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Halloooo Greg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are still with us Here I thought you'd moved on to an other world Good to see you are still here Been writing you on and off an d NEVER got word back Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carvinggreg at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 08:44:12 2008 From: carvinggreg at gmail.com (Greg Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:44:12 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) In-Reply-To: <002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe> References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com> <005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96> <002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe> Message-ID: <002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com> Hi Jan and Joe, Yup, I'm still around. I'm still making chips, just not as many as I used to do. I just finished a 30" by 30" shield and bust project for a customer in Indianapolis, I'll post an email when I get the pictures up on my site. My regular job has me working all kinds of odd and changing hours, so it bites into my woodcarving quite a bit. I am going to be going back to the less stressful job (believe it or not) of working in the jail as a corrections officer in a couple of months. My hours should be a lot more steady then, which will allow me to get back to a regular carving schedule. Jan, sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I'm getting to be one of the worst at replying to emails. I keep thinking I will send one tomorrow, but tomorrow always has some kind of crisis or chore that pops up. I do still read the list with interest every day. It is really neat to see some of the people who have joined the list progress in their carving expertise, makes me want to just keep my mouth shut and learn from the up and comers. I was interested in replying to Sandie about Ol' Don's website software search because I have been working on several new websites lately and have been using Expression Web 2 with a lot of fun and success. I'm doing a website for our church and possibly for a couple of other businesses in the Branson area. Well, guess I'll slip back into my little corner here for a bit and lurk a little. Good to talk to you guys. Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Joe Dillett Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:20 AM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) Ditto what Jan said, Greg. Nice to see you on the List. I was wondering if you still get time to work your carving business. Things sure have a way of taking away our carving time. I've been spending the last few days getting my mini orchard (21 fruit trees) into shape. In clearing the underbrush there isn't anything big enough for a cane or walking stick so its all firewood. Although it isn't carving related work, it sure is nice to spend time working outdoors. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Oegema To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] website software Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html _____ Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Halloooo Greg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are still with us Here I thought you'd moved on to an other world Good to see you are still here Been writing you on and off an d NEVER got word back Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf _____ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shlew6 at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 14:08:31 2008 From: shlew6 at gmail.com (shlew6) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:08:31 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! References: <311502.60161.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com><8CA909E5ED39C34-FF0-1754@WEBMAIL-DC06.sysops.aol.com> <713E0287-B5D5-4B94-A206-E0B13F031D70@sasktel.net> Message-ID: <194801c8c4db$ab2c53b0$6501a8c0@MINE> Hi! I remember you, John Jellies! Bill, I may not be within the 100 either but I suspect I'm close...back when you had your original website setup, Bill. I started silversmithing and liked it a lot but wood is still my favorite medium. I last carved 1/12th sized birds and ducks and have a 1/3 size Bald Eagle on the table wrapped in a protective towel for several years. I'm afraid to touch it again. :-) I've been both ill and injured, haven't touched my carving table for almost 3 years but I'm getting the itch and will do so now. I'm my old self again only better, thank God! I have been missing Craig Watson's emails and I am afraid to ask but does anyone have news of him? Is Lyons Knives still operational? Nice to be back. Sheri Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Judt To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John: I have lost records of the original 100 subscribers... who would have thought the list would swell to 850 members. But you have a special place on the List as one of the early members, for sure. Bill "See if you can count your blessings..." My books are for sale at: http://wwwoodcarver.com/Books/index.html W.F. Judt, 46 Harvard Cres, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, S7H3R1 PH: 306-373-6649 bjudt at sasktel.net Website: http://www.wwwoodcarver.com On 30-May-08, at 12:59 PM, jjellies at aol.com wrote: Gosh, I'd need to ask dear Bill if I was in the first hundred. If not, then I was probably 101 :-) I enjoy lurking and have continued to carve but also paint, sculpt and do metalwork. Carving is a wonderful form of expression though and there is nothing quite like the smell of wood and the sharp ssssshhhh as a knife cleaves cleanly through the grain. Maybe others could weigh in on the things they love about carving, other than the product itself? for me, sound, smell of wood and a sense of fellowship with other woodcarvers. J Jellies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjudt at sasktel.net Mon Jun 2 17:59:37 2008 From: bjudt at sasktel.net (Bill Judt) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:59:37 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) In-Reply-To: <002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com> References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com> <005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96> <002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe> <002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com> Message-ID: <563C05FA-8205-4A39-BF5F-A99FBD514E5C@sasktel.net> Greg: So good to hear from you again. It's been a while. When the bust is finished, I'd like to see it soon, so send me the link to it, OK? Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net http://wwwoodcarver.com On 2-Jun-08, at 6:44 AM, Greg Wilkerson wrote: Yup, I?m still around. I?m still making chips, just not as many as I used to do. I just finished a 30? by 30? shield and bust project for a customer in Indianapolis, I?ll post an email when I get the pictures up on my site. My regular job has me working all kinds of odd and changing hours, so it bites into my woodcarving quite a bit. I am going to be going back to the less stressful job (believe it or not) of working in the jail as a corrections officer in a couple of months. My hours should be a lot more steady then, which will allow me to get back to a regular carving schedule. Jan, sorry I haven?t gotten back to you. I?m getting to be one of the worst at replying to emails. I keep thinking I will send one tomorrow, but tomorrow always has some kind of crisis or chore that pops up. I do still read the list with interest every day. It is really neat to see some of the people who have joined the list progress in their carving expertise, makes me want to just keep my mouth shut and learn from the up and comers. I was interested in replying to Sandie about Ol? Don?s website software search because I have been working on several new websites lately and have been using Expression Web 2 with a lot of fun and success. I?m doing a website for our church and possibly for a couple of other businesses in the Branson area. Well, guess I?ll slip back into my little corner here for a bit and lurk a little. Good to talk to you guys. Greg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjudt at sasktel.net Mon Jun 2 18:05:59 2008 From: bjudt at sasktel.net (Bill Judt) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:05:59 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! In-Reply-To: <194801c8c4db$ab2c53b0$6501a8c0@MINE> References: <311502.60161.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8CA909E5ED39C34-FF0-1754@WEBMAIL-DC06.sysops.aol.com> <713E0287-B5D5-4B94-A206-E0B13F031D70@sasktel.net> <194801c8c4db$ab2c53b0$6501a8c0@MINE> Message-ID: Sheri: I believe you were on the list of the original 100. I looked over the list a few days ago, and saw your name there. Mike Dunk was first, of course, and Bonnie Grazer, second. Woodbutcher Jan didn't arrive on the list for some time after, FYI. Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 2-Jun-08, at 12:08 PM, shlew6 wrote: Hi! I remember you, John Jellies! Bill, I may not be within the 100 either but I suspect I'm close...back when you had your original website setup, Bill. I started silversmithing and liked it a lot but wood is still my favorite medium. I last carved 1/12th sized birds and ducks and have a 1/3 size Bald Eagle on the table wrapped in a protective towel for several years. I'm afraid to touch it again. :-) I've been both ill and injured, haven't touched my carving table for almost 3 years but I'm getting the itch and will do so now. I'm my old self again only better, thank God! I have been missing Craig Watson's emails and I am afraid to ask but does anyone have news of him? Is Lyons Knives still operational? Nice to be back. Sheri Lew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjudt at sasktel.net Mon Jun 2 20:13:59 2008 From: bjudt at sasktel.net (Bill Judt) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:13:59 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] Going to jail... Message-ID: Gentle Subscribers: Your List owner... that's me... is going to jail with his wife in a week. Both deb and I will be going to the Saskatoon Correctional Centre where people are remanded waiting trial. Our crime? Carving a large relief carving for the prison chapel. It will be dedicated, along with the chapel, on the 8th of June. Hopefully I will have some pictures of the project for you all to see in the next few weeks... at present we are at the lake... on (gasp) DIAL-UP!!! Till later Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net From jancarves3 at rogers.com Mon Jun 2 20:33:16 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:33:16 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Going to jail... References: Message-ID: <001901c8c511$6a648e70$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Gentle Subscribers: Your List owner... that's me... is going to jail with his wife in a week. Both deb and I will be going to the Saskatoon Correctional Centre where people are remanded waiting trial. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WOW !!! Hope to see pics soon Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf From Linehan718 at aol.com Mon Jun 2 20:33:55 2008 From: Linehan718 at aol.com (Linehan718 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:33:55 EDT Subject: [Woodcarver] Going to jail... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/2/2008 8:15:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bjudt at sasktel.net writes: Our crime? Carving a large relief carving for the prison chapel. It will be dedicated, along with the chapel, on the 8th of June. Hopefully I will have some pictures of the project for you all to see in the next few weeks... at present we are at the lake... on (gasp) DIAL-UP!!! Till later Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt Dial what??????? Maura Carving in NYC _www.carvinginnyc.com_ (http://www.carvinginnyc.com/) _http://mycarvingclub.com/mauramacaluso_ (http://mycarvingclub.com/mauramacaluso) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jancarves3 at rogers.com Mon Jun 2 20:34:58 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:34:58 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! References: <311502.60161.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com><8CA909E5ED39C34-FF0-1754@WEBMAIL-DC06.sysops.aol.com><713E0287-B5D5-4B94-A206-E0B13F031D70@sasktel.net><194801c8c4db$ab2c53b0$6501a8c0@MINE> Message-ID: <002e01c8c511$a76c2ee0$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Woodbutcher Jan didn't arrive on the list for some time after, FYI. Blessings and Peace, Bill ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nothing unusual about that I always been a late comer LOL Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bremmers at midwestinfo.com Mon Jun 2 20:38:50 2008 From: bremmers at midwestinfo.com (Gene and Darlene Bremmer) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:38:50 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Going to jail... References: <001901c8c511$6a648e70$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Message-ID: <57F52015203640FDA6CFD3AF398FA8FA@bremmers> Will you be wearing stripes, or bright Orange????? Gene Picturetrail Album at: http://picturetrail.com/bremmers Email bremmers at midwestinfo.com Gentle Subscribers: Your List owner... that's me... is going to jail with his wife in a week. Both deb and I will be going to the Saskatoon Correctional Centre where people are remanded waiting trial. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 21:58:42 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! Message-ID: <417976.9564.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm sorry to hear about so many carvers who have not been able to carve for a while. I have had some interruptions to my normally creative lifestyle and I gotta tell you it is not fun. Today I drew the plans for that shelf mouse on my web site so that I could reproduce it for a customer. It felt so good to sit at the old drafting table and MAKE something for a change. The best day I've had in a long time. Some people just feel better when they are creating- and I think a lot of the people on this list are that kind of people. Get back to it asap- you will be better for it. Trust me. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: shlew6 > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 1:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > Hi! > > I remember you, John Jellies! > > Bill, I may not be within the 100 > either but I suspect I'm close...back when you had your original website > setup, Bill. > > I started silversmithing and liked it > a lot but wood is still my favorite medium. > I last carved 1/12th sized birds and > ducks and have a 1/3 size Bald Eagle on the table wrapped in a protective towel > for several years. I'm afraid to touch it again. :-) > I've been both ill and injured, > haven't touched my carving table for almost 3 years but I'm getting the > itch and will do so now. > I'm my old self again only better, > thank God! > > I have been missing Craig Watson's > emails and I am afraid to ask but does anyone have news of > him? > Is Lyons Knives still > operational? > Nice to be back. > > Sheri Lew > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Judt > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > ________________________________ > John: > > I have lost records of the original 100 subscribers... who would have thought > the list would swell to 850 members. > But you have a special place on the List as one of the early members, for sure. > > > Bill > > "See if you can count your blessings..." > > > My books are for sale at: http://wwwoodcarver.com/Books/index.html > W.F. Judt, > 46 Harvard Cres, > Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, > S7H3R1 > PH: 306-373-6649 > bjudt at sasktel.net > Website: http://www.wwwoodcarver.com > > > > > > > > > On 30-May-08, at 12:59 PM, jjellies at aol.com wrote: > > Gosh, > > I'd need to ask dear Bill if I was in the first hundred. If not, then I was > probably 101 :-) > > I enjoy lurking and have continued to carve but also paint, sculpt and do > metalwork. Carving is a wonderful form of expression though and there is > nothing quite like the smell of wood and the sharp ssssshhhh as a knife cleaves > cleanly through the grain. Maybe others could weigh in on the things they love > about carving, other than the product itself? for me, sound, smell of wood and > a sense of fellowship with other woodcarvers. > > J Jellies > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From rrknapp1 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 22:45:10 2008 From: rrknapp1 at yahoo.com (R Knapp) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) In-Reply-To: <002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe> Message-ID: <411036.63687.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Help! Please help me, how do I get off this mailing list? Thank You, Ray Knapp rrknapp1 at yahoo.com --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Joe Dillett wrote: > From: Joe Dillett > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) > To: "[Woodcarver]" > Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 7:20 AM > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a > donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html_______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From scrimshaw at aptalaska.net Tue Jun 3 00:12:43 2008 From: scrimshaw at aptalaska.net (Steve Lankerd Sr) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:12:43 -0800 Subject: [Woodcarver] wood source References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com><005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96><002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe><002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com> <563C05FA-8205-4A39-BF5F-A99FBD514E5C@sasktel.net> Message-ID: <017b01c8c530$13537dc0$7863ba40@zuke1> Hello all... Where is a good reliable source for getting some basswood and black walnut? I'm looking for material 2" thick and thicker maybe up to 6" and 6" wide and wider. I have a mantle project in mind and a friend of mine has full sized animals and birds that he wants to carve. Thanks for the help... Best Regards, Steve Steve Lankerd Sr Metlakatla, Alaska http://www.stevelankerdstudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards, Steve Steve Lankerd Sr Metlakatla, Alaska +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Heinecke Wood Products Heinecke, Dale and Marge E-mail Address(es): dmheinecke at centurytel.net Personal Information: Address: 76-27 1/2 avenue Cumberland WI 45829 u s Phone: 715 822 8642 Web Page: http://www.heineckewood.com Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Tue Jun 3 08:11:45 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:11:45 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! References: <417976.9564.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c8c572$fe260fb0$c604140a@Joe> Hi Donna, It's nice to hear you were able to get back to creating. Yes, it sure makes a difference in our lives when we are able to be creative. It seems like all the world problems melt away just like the chips falling to the floor. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Menke" To: "[Woodcarver]" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > I'm sorry to hear about so many carvers who have not been able to carve > for a while. I have had some interruptions to my normally creative > lifestyle and I gotta tell you it is not fun. Today I drew the plans for > that shelf mouse on my web site so that I could reproduce it for a > customer. It felt so good to sit at the old drafting table and MAKE > something for a change. The best day I've had in a long time. > > Some people just feel better when they are creating- and I think a lot of > the people on this list are that kind of people. Get back to it asap- you > will be better for it. Trust me. Donna Menke > http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com > Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: shlew6 >> To: [Woodcarver] >> Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 1:08:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! >> >> Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: >> http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html >> >> >> Hi! >> >> I remember you, John Jellies! >> >> Bill, I may not be within the 100 >> either but I suspect I'm close...back when you had your original website >> setup, Bill. >> >> I started silversmithing and liked it >> a lot but wood is still my favorite medium. >> I last carved 1/12th sized birds and >> ducks and have a 1/3 size Bald Eagle on the table wrapped in a protective >> towel >> for several years. I'm afraid to touch it again. :-) >> I've been both ill and injured, >> haven't touched my carving table for almost 3 years but I'm getting the >> itch and will do so now. >> I'm my old self again only better, >> thank God! >> >> I have been missing Craig Watson's >> emails and I am afraid to ask but does anyone have news of >> him? >> Is Lyons Knives still >> operational? >> Nice to be back. >> >> Sheri Lew >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Judt >> To: [Woodcarver] >> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] The Original 100!! >> Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: >> http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html >> >> >> ________________________________ >> John: >> >> I have lost records of the original 100 subscribers... who would have >> thought >> the list would swell to 850 members. >> But you have a special place on the List as one of the early members, for >> sure. >> >> >> Bill >> >> "See if you can count your blessings..." >> >> >> My books are for sale at: http://wwwoodcarver.com/Books/index.html >> W.F. Judt, >> 46 Harvard Cres, >> Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, >> S7H3R1 >> PH: 306-373-6649 >> bjudt at sasktel.net >> Website: http://www.wwwoodcarver.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 30-May-08, at 12:59 PM, jjellies at aol.com wrote: >> >> Gosh, >> >> I'd need to ask dear Bill if I was in the first hundred. If not, then I >> was >> probably 101 :-) >> >> I enjoy lurking and have continued to carve but also paint, sculpt and >> do >> metalwork. Carving is a wonderful form of expression though and there is >> nothing quite like the smell of wood and the sharp ssssshhhh as a knife >> cleaves >> cleanly through the grain. Maybe others could weigh in on the things >> they love >> about carving, other than the product itself? for me, sound, smell of >> wood and >> a sense of fellowship with other woodcarvers. >> >> J Jellies >> >> ________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Woodcarver mailing list >> Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Tue Jun 3 08:23:39 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:23:39 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] wood source References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com><005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96><002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe><002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com><563C05FA-8205-4A39-BF5F-A99FBD514E5C@sasktel.net> <017b01c8c530$13537dc0$7863ba40@zuke1> Message-ID: <004a01c8c574$a750d5b0$c604140a@Joe> Hi Steve, My source for basswood and walnut mantel stock is The Hardwood Connection is Sycamore IL. 815-895-8733. They have basswood 4-inches thick and thicker. They bought my walnut mantel inventory (blanks), about 5 tons of 5-inch thick mantels aged 20 years and more. They will ship. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lankerd Sr To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: [Woodcarver] wood source Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello all... Where is a good reliable source for getting some basswood and black walnut? I'm looking for material 2" thick and thicker maybe up to 6" and 6" wide and wider. I have a mantle project in mind and a friend of mine has full sized animals and birds that he wants to carve. Thanks for the help... Best Regards, Steve Steve Lankerd Sr Metlakatla, Alaska http://www.stevelankerdstudio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thewoodcraftshop at mchsi.com Tue Jun 3 12:43:07 2008 From: thewoodcraftshop at mchsi.com (Larry Yudis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:43:07 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Greg Chat ... In-Reply-To: <002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com> Message-ID: <20080603164316.AC3BB6D9C9@six.pairlist.net> Hey Wilkie, Good to hear from you my friend. Glad to see you're still whacking away at wood. Went to your "EGO SITE" (love the name). When did you get so old looking???? :o) You gonna go out to Compton Ridge and visit Randy Landen and the boys at Rendezvous???... it's going on this week. Good luck in the slammer ... I'm glad to hear you're headed back there! LOL! BIG DOG _____ From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Greg Wilkerson Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:44 AM To: '[Woodcarver]' Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) Hi Jan and Joe, Yup, I'm still around. I'm still making chips, just not as many as I used to do. I just finished a 30" by 30" shield and bust project for a customer in Indianapolis, I'll post an email when I get the pictures up on my site. My regular job has me working all kinds of odd and changing hours, so it bites into my woodcarving quite a bit. I am going to be going back to the less stressful job (believe it or not) of working in the jail as a corrections officer in a couple of months. My hours should be a lot more steady then, which will allow me to get back to a regular carving schedule. Jan, sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I'm getting to be one of the worst at replying to emails. I keep thinking I will send one tomorrow, but tomorrow always has some kind of crisis or chore that pops up. I do still read the list with interest every day. It is really neat to see some of the people who have joined the list progress in their carving expertise, makes me want to just keep my mouth shut and learn from the up and comers. I was interested in replying to Sandie about Ol' Don's website software search because I have been working on several new websites lately and have been using Expression Web 2 with a lot of fun and success. I'm doing a website for our church and possibly for a couple of other businesses in the Branson area. Well, guess I'll slip back into my little corner here for a bit and lurk a little. Good to talk to you guys. Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Joe Dillett Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:20 AM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) Ditto what Jan said, Greg. Nice to see you on the List. I was wondering if you still get time to work your carving business. Things sure have a way of taking away our carving time. I've been spending the last few days getting my mini orchard (21 fruit trees) into shape. In clearing the underbrush there isn't anything big enough for a cane or walking stick so its all firewood. Although it isn't carving related work, it sure is nice to spend time working outdoors. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Oegema To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] website software Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html _____ Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Halloooo Greg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are still with us Here I thought you'd moved on to an other world Good to see you are still here Been writing you on and off an d NEVER got word back Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf _____ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jancarves3 at rogers.com Tue Jun 3 15:01:27 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:01:27 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Greg Chat ... References: <20080603164316.AC3BB6D9C9@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <001601c8c5ac$3a7fcd00$763afd63@your27e1513d96> NOSY B D asked When did you get so old looking???? :o) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 20 years ago Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgoss at eastlink.ca Tue Jun 3 15:30:17 2008 From: cgoss at eastlink.ca (Clive Goss) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:30:17 -0300 Subject: [Woodcarver] Greg Chat ... References: <20080603164316.AC3BB6D9C9@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <002901c8c5b0$41176f70$8800a8c0@DadHasThePower> Hi Greg, Loved the Ego site, and good to hear from you once again. Good luck at the jail, keep your back to the wall, lol. All the best. Clive. www.reddragoncrafts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Yudis To: '[Woodcarver]' Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [Woodcarver] Greg Chat ... Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hey Wilkie, Good to hear from you my friend. Glad to see you're still whacking away at wood. Went to your "EGO SITE" (love the name). When did you get so old looking???? :o) You gonna go out to Compton Ridge and visit Randy Landen and the boys at Rendezvous???... it's going on this week. Good luck in the slammer ... I'm glad to hear you're headed back there! LOL! BIG DOG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Greg Wilkerson Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:44 AM To: '[Woodcarver]' Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) Hi Jan and Joe, Yup, I'm still around. I'm still making chips, just not as many as I used to do. I just finished a 30" by 30" shield and bust project for a customer in Indianapolis, I'll post an email when I get the pictures up on my site. My regular job has me working all kinds of odd and changing hours, so it bites into my woodcarving quite a bit. I am going to be going back to the less stressful job (believe it or not) of working in the jail as a corrections officer in a couple of months. My hours should be a lot more steady then, which will allow me to get back to a regular carving schedule. Jan, sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I'm getting to be one of the worst at replying to emails. I keep thinking I will send one tomorrow, but tomorrow always has some kind of crisis or chore that pops up. I do still read the list with interest every day. It is really neat to see some of the people who have joined the list progress in their carving expertise, makes me want to just keep my mouth shut and learn from the up and comers. I was interested in replying to Sandie about Ol' Don's website software search because I have been working on several new websites lately and have been using Expression Web 2 with a lot of fun and success. I'm doing a website for our church and possibly for a couple of other businesses in the Branson area. Well, guess I'll slip back into my little corner here for a bit and lurk a little. Good to talk to you guys. Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Joe Dillett Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:20 AM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) Ditto what Jan said, Greg. Nice to see you on the List. I was wondering if you still get time to work your carving business. Things sure have a way of taking away our carving time. I've been spending the last few days getting my mini orchard (21 fruit trees) into shape. In clearing the underbrush there isn't anything big enough for a cane or walking stick so its all firewood. Although it isn't carving related work, it sure is nice to spend time working outdoors. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Oegema To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] website software Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Halloooo Greg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are still with us Here I thought you'd moved on to an other world Good to see you are still here Been writing you on and off an d NEVER got word back Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: It's great to see you back, Greg. I was wondering about you. Carol Carol Robertson Alton, IL **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.bloomquist at verizon.net Tue Jun 3 22:02:02 2008 From: m.bloomquist at verizon.net (Mike Bloomquist) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:02:02 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Going to jail... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007d01c8c5e6$fbb67d90$0202a8c0@mikestoy> Bill, Should we all carve you "Get Out of Jail Free" cards just in case?? Keep on Carvin' -Mike B.-> -----Original Message----- From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Bill Judt Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:14 PM To: WML.WoodcarverMailingList Subject: [Woodcarver] Going to jail... Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Gentle Subscribers: Your List owner... that's me... is going to jail with his wife in a week. Both deb and I will be going to the Saskatoon Correctional Centre where people are remanded waiting trial. Our crime? Carving a large relief carving for the prison chapel. It will be dedicated, along with the chapel, on the 8th of June. Hopefully I will have some pictures of the project for you all to see in the next few weeks... at present we are at the lake... on (gasp) DIAL-UP!!! Till later Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From carvinggreg at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 22:28:49 2008 From: carvinggreg at gmail.com (Greg Wilkerson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:28:49 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) In-Reply-To: <563C05FA-8205-4A39-BF5F-A99FBD514E5C@sasktel.net> References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com> <005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96> <002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe> <002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com> <563C05FA-8205-4A39-BF5F-A99FBD514E5C@sasktel.net> Message-ID: <001201c8c5ea$bae7ed40$30b7c7c0$@com> Hi Bill, Though I haven't made myself visible on the list in a long time I do continue to receive and read with interest. You have done a wonderful job of creating and maintaining a wonderful resource for the woodcarving community, your efforts are appreciated. I just finished putting some pictures of the finished shield/bust up on my Carving Gallery website. Here is the link, http://www.carvinggallery.com/wintersproject.htm Big Doggie, great to hear from you. I didn't just get old looking, I got old feeling as well. I knew I should have paced myself better when I was young and full of meanness. Now I'm just half full of meanness. I won't able to get out to see the Rendezvous gang, we are dealing with an illness in the family (my dad), but I would love to see them. As far as going back to work in the jail goes. Most of the people at the sheriff's department say I have a natural personality to work in the jail. I'm not sure they mean that as a compliment though, I think they are saying I'm a natural hard ...case (yea that's a better word). I'm looking forward to going back into corrections though, it does seem more like a natural fit for me than dispatching. You have to be nice to people in dispatch, even when they call 911 to tell you their cable is out, and stuff like that. To paraphrase Ron White, I sometimes have the right to and should remain silent, but I kind of lack the ability. If you know what I mean. Carol and Clive, great to hear from you guys. Yes I am still alive and kicking. Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Bill Judt Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 5:00 PM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) Greg: So good to hear from you again. It's been a while. When the bust is finished, I'd like to see it soon, so send me the link to it, OK? 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Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 3-Jun-08, at 8:28 PM, Greg Wilkerson wrote: Hi Bill, Though I haven?t made myself visible on the list in a long time I do continue to receive and read with interest. You have done a wonderful job of creating and maintaining a wonderful resource for the woodcarving community, your efforts are appreciated. I just finished putting some pictures of the finished shield/bust up on my Carving Gallery website. Here is the link, http://www.carvinggallery.com/wintersproject.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jancarves3 at rogers.com Wed Jun 4 07:10:25 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:10:25 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com> <005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96> <002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe> <002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com><563C05FA-8205-4A39-BF5F-A99FBD514E5C@sasktel.net> <001201c8c5ea$bae7ed40$30b7c7c0$@com> Message-ID: <005401c8c633$9768f910$763afd63@your27e1513d96> I'm looking forward to going back into corrections though, it does seem more like a natural fit for me than dispatching. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So Greg , You mean to say this is NOT your first stint behind bars ?? I spend 3 years behind 7 doors I KNOW the feeling Do you bring your carving along ?? I did One time I brought 7 BIG "Woodbutcher" knives NO problem But they did take that small knife on my keychain THAT was a consealed wapen Go figure Hope it all works out for ya Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dge4488 at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 07:11:09 2008 From: dge4488 at gmail.com (Doug Evans) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:11:09 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Greg Chat ... In-Reply-To: <20080603164316.AC3BB6D9C9@six.pairlist.net> References: <002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com> <20080603164316.AC3BB6D9C9@six.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <56024330806040411g6cd628aai9e36c9cbca78cefb@mail.gmail.com> Greg Who ??? Nahhh can't be !!!!! Greg--missed ya !! Glad you popped in for a visit !! Keep in touch. Doug Evans On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Larry Yudis wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > Hey Wilkie, > > Good to hear from you my friend. Glad to see you're still whacking away at wood. > > Went to your "EGO SITE" (love the name). When did you get so old looking???? :o) > > You gonna go out to Compton Ridge and visit Randy Landen and the boys at Rendezvous???... it's going on this week. > > Good luck in the slammer ... I'm glad to hear you're headed back there! LOL! > > BIG DOG > > > ________________________________ > From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Greg Wilkerson > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:44 AM > To: '[Woodcarver]' > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) > > Hi Jan and Joe, > > > > Yup, I'm still around. I'm still making chips, just not as many as I used to do. I just finished a 30" by 30" shield and bust project for a customer in Indianapolis, I'll post an email when I get the pictures up on my site. My regular job has me working all kinds of odd and changing hours, so it bites into my woodcarving quite a bit. I am going to be going back to the less stressful job (believe it or not) of working in the jail as a corrections officer in a couple of months. My hours should be a lot more steady then, which will allow me to get back to a regular carving schedule. > > > > Jan, sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I'm getting to be one of the worst at replying to emails. I keep thinking I will send one tomorrow, but tomorrow always has some kind of crisis or chore that pops up. > > > > I do still read the list with interest every day. It is really neat to see some of the people who have joined the list progress in their carving expertise, makes me want to just keep my mouth shut and learn from the up and comers. > > I was interested in replying to Sandie about Ol' Don's website software search because I have been working on several new websites lately and have been using Expression Web 2 with a lot of fun and success. I'm doing a website for our church and possibly for a couple of other businesses in the Branson area. > > > > Well, guess I'll slip back into my little corner here for a bit and lurk a little. Good to talk to you guys. > > > > Greg > > > > Visit my websites > > Carvings For Sale: > > http://www.carvinggallery.com > > Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: > > http://www.carvingstore.net > > Ego site: > > http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com > > > > From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Joe Dillett > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:20 AM > To: [Woodcarver] > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) > > > > Ditto what Jan said, Greg. Nice to see you on the List. I was wondering if you still get time to work your carving business. > > > > Things sure have a way of taking away our carving time. I've been spending the last few days getting my mini orchard (21 fruit trees) into shape. In clearing the underbrush there isn't anything big enough for a cane or walking stick so its all firewood. Although it isn't carving related work, it sure is nice to spend time working outdoors. > > Joe Dillett > The Carving Shop > 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 > Somonauk, IL. 60552 > > > > (815) 498-9290 phone > (815) 498-9249 fax > http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] > http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] > http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett > ****************************************************************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jan Oegema > > To: [Woodcarver] > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] website software > > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > ________________________________ > > Greg > > > > Visit my websites > > Carvings For Sale: > > http://www.carvinggallery.com > > Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: > > http://www.carvingstore.net > > Ego site: > > http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Halloooo Greg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > You are still with us > > Here I thought you'd moved on to an other world > > Good to see you are still here > > Been writing you on and off an d NEVER got word back > > > > Woodbutcher Jan > > > > > You are invited to check out my website.. > http://www.janscarvingstudio.com > > Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... > http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher > > http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ > > > > http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From Thomsons44 at aol.com Wed Jun 4 07:22:20 2008 From: Thomsons44 at aol.com (Thomsons44 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:22:20 EDT Subject: [Woodcarver] MINITURE CARVINGS Message-ID: heh there Jan---great miniature video--great enjoyment--regards--lunch with you guys soon---Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just click on one of the links below...either will take you directly to #Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_williamslake.html?chan=#Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_stopover.html?chan=#woodcarverchat This may take a LONG time to load!!!!!!! Don't give up. When it finally does load, you will be asked to type in a nickname.....then click connect, and wait a little bit longer. The chat screen will open. Type something in the narrow horizontal space just below the chat screen and hit you enter key. Nothing to it! :) If you are using WebTV or still have trouble getting there, one of these links will work...we just save them as a last resort in case all other links don't work: http://63.79.14.90/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://cobra-ip1.vipershells.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://stopover.ky.us.starlink-irc.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi (This one will have the fastest connection) Type in a nickname where it says"nickname"i Where is says, "channel", type in #woodcarverchat (don't forget the #). ******* If you are using an mIRC chat program: 1. Log onto your ISP. 2. Open mIRC. You should see a box "mIRC Options". If you don't then click on View then on "Options" Fill in the information there...you do NOT have to put in your real name or email address. For security purposes, make them up. Do put in the nickname you want and an alternative. 4. Click on the button with the sunburst icon, just to the right of the button that says, "Connect to Server". Where it says "IRC Network", scroll down until you see "Starlink-IRC" and highlight that so it shows in the window. There is also a Starlink network, so make sure that the one you select has the "IRC" after it. Now click on the arrow next to the IRC server window. That will list a number of Starlink-IRC servers....select one of them. The Starlink-IRC random server will automatically pick one of the servers for you, so you can use that one. With one of the Starlink-IRC servers in the window, click on "Connect to Server" If the Starlink Random Server is not in your mirc program you can add it: Click the "add" button. Where it says "Description" type "Starlink Random Server" Where it says "IRC Server" type IRC.STARLINK-IRC.ORG Port should be 6664,6665,6666,6667,6668,6669 (all of those with no spaces between them) and "Group" is Starlink-IRC 5. Once connected, you'll see lots of scrolling text. When that stops, type /join #Woodcarverchat in the window at the bottom and hit your "enter" key. (you need the / and #, and Woodcarverchat must be spelled exactly right) ******* See you there! E-mail me off the list for additional information and instructions. Marcia Berkall or Jack Royer whitwood at fairpoint.net jdeuell at reinbeck.net See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From celtcarver at comcast.net Thu Jun 5 21:20:06 2008 From: celtcarver at comcast.net (Matt Kelley) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:20:06 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Part II WOM May/June now available Message-ID: <80773C9E-8F02-4778-888A-FFB0A9AE1959@comcast.net> With our List Owner's kind approval: Part II of the May/June issue of Woodcarver Online Magazine is now available at http://carverscompanion.com. Once there click on the WOM logo. Included in Part II: *Notes From The Net *Ol' Don's Drawing Table Enjoy! *********************************************** Matt Kelley: Woodcarver, E-zine Editor, W3E Coordinator Woodcarver Online Magazine, W3Exchange Programs, Carver Resource Files at: http://carverscompanion.com Carving Shirts & Gear at: http://carverscompanion.com/cclogostuff/logostuff.html CelticCarver WoodWorks: http://celtcarver.com From lorenwoodard at charter.net Thu Jun 5 22:50:18 2008 From: lorenwoodard at charter.net (Loren Woodard) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:50:18 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) In-Reply-To: <001201c8c5ea$bae7ed40$30b7c7c0$@com> References: <364795.35492.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008a01c8c428$414d73b0$c3e85b10$@com> <005301c8c430$8d4eb8c0$763afd63@your27e1513d96> <002201c8c4aa$ffe325e0$c604140a@Joe> <002401c8c4ae$5cb4b740$161e25c0$@com><563C05FA-8205-4A39-BF5F-A99FBD514E5C@sasktel.net> <001201c8c5ea$bae7ed40$30b7c7c0$@com> Message-ID: <00d001c8c780$0e759f70$0301a8c0@YOUR4556B190FD> Greg: The carving looks great! Loren Woodard _____ From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Greg Wilkerson Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:29 PM To: '[Woodcarver]' Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) Hi Bill, Though I haven?t made myself visible on the list in a long time I do continue to receive and read with interest. You have done a wonderful job of creating and maintaining a wonderful resource for the woodcarving community, your efforts are appreciated. I just finished putting some pictures of the finished shield/bust up on my Carving Gallery website. Here is the link, HYPERLINK "http://www.carvinggallery.com/wintersproject.htm"http://www.carvinggallery. com/wintersproject.htm Big Doggie, great to hear from you. I didn?t just get old looking, I got old feeling as well. I knew I should have paced myself better when I was young and full of meanness. Now I?m just half full of meanness. I won?t able to get out to see the Rendezvous gang, we are dealing with an illness in the family (my dad), but I would love to see them. As far as going back to work in the jail goes? Most of the people at the sheriff?s department say I have a natural personality to work in the jail. I?m not sure they mean that as a compliment though, I think they are saying I?m a natural hard ?..case (yea that?s a better word). I?m looking forward to going back into corrections though, it does seem more like a natural fit for me than dispatching. You have to be nice to people in dispatch, even when they call 911 to tell you their cable is out, and stuff like that. To paraphrase Ron White, I sometimes have the right to and should remain silent, but I kind of lack the ability. If you know what I mean. Carol and Clive, great to hear from you guys. Yes I am still alive and kicking. Greg Visit my websites Carvings For Sale: http://www.carvinggallery.com Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: http://www.carvingstore.net Ego site: http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Bill Judt Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 5:00 PM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) Greg: So good to hear from you again. It's been a while. When the bust is finished, I'd like to see it soon, so send me the link to it, OK? Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 HYPERLINK "mailto:bjudt at sasktel.net"bjudt at sasktel.net HYPERLINK "http://wwwoodcarver.com"http://wwwoodcarver.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1485 - Release Date: 6/5/2008 10:07 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. 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DougE On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Loren Woodard wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > Greg: > > > > The carving looks great! > > > > Loren Woodard > > > > ________________________________ > > From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Greg Wilkerson > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:29 PM > To: '[Woodcarver]' > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Though I haven't made myself visible on the list in a long time I do continue to receive and read with interest. You have done a wonderful job of creating and maintaining a wonderful resource for the woodcarving community, your efforts are appreciated. > > > > I just finished putting some pictures of the finished shield/bust up on my Carving Gallery website. Here is the link, > > http://www.carvinggallery.com/wintersproject.htm > > > > Big Doggie, great to hear from you. I didn't just get old looking, I got old feeling as well. I knew I should have paced myself better when I was young and full of meanness. Now I'm just half full of meanness. I won't able to get out to see the Rendezvous gang, we are dealing with an illness in the family (my dad), but I would love to see them. > > As far as going back to work in the jail goes? Most of the people at the sheriff's department say I have a natural personality to work in the jail. I'm not sure they mean that as a compliment though, I think they are saying I'm a natural hard ?..case (yea that's a better word). I'm looking forward to going back into corrections though, it does seem more like a natural fit for me than dispatching. You have to be nice to people in dispatch, even when they call 911 to tell you their cable is out, and stuff like that. To paraphrase Ron White, I sometimes have the right to and should remain silent, but I kind of lack the ability. If you know what I mean. > > > > Carol and Clive, great to hear from you guys. Yes I am still alive and kicking. > > > > Greg > > > > Visit my websites > > Carvings For Sale: > > http://www.carvinggallery.com > > Woodcarving Supplies & Tips: > > http://www.carvingstore.net > > Ego site: > > http://www.wilkersonwoodcarving.com > > > > From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Bill Judt > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 5:00 PM > To: [Woodcarver] > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] (chat Greg) > > > > Greg: > > > > So good to hear from you again. It's been a while. > > > > When the bust is finished, I'd like to see it soon, so send me the link to it, OK? > > > > Blessings and Peace, > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Judt > > 46 Harvard Crescent, > > Saskatoon, SK, Canada > > S7H3R1 > > bjudt at sasktel.net > > http://wwwoodcarver.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1485 - Release Date: 6/5/2008 10:07 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1485 - Release Date: 6/5/2008 10:07 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From cgoss at eastlink.ca Fri Jun 6 11:33:44 2008 From: cgoss at eastlink.ca (Clive Goss) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:33:44 -0300 Subject: [Woodcarver] Re; Replicator. Message-ID: <001501c8c7ea$b48ccc20$8800a8c0@DadHasThePower> Hi all, I am looking for a way to easily and quickly replicate a carving. That is make an identical carving over and over again to fill mass orders. (if they ever come my way that is.....). Any thoughts or ideas will be greatly appreciated. Thanks a bunch in advance. All the best. Clive. www.reddragoncrafts.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From celtcarver at comcast.net Fri Jun 6 12:07:49 2008 From: celtcarver at comcast.net (Matt Kelley) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:07:49 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Re; Replicator. In-Reply-To: <001501c8c7ea$b48ccc20$8800a8c0@DadHasThePower> References: <001501c8c7ea$b48ccc20$8800a8c0@DadHasThePower> Message-ID: <6EC1679A-FE80-4FD9-A9C7-D0B75A584325@comcast.net> Clive - In the Carvers' Companion Resource Files, in the Tool Manufacturers section (http://carverscompanion.com/FileVendors.html) there are links to several duplicator manufacturers, including Copycarver (DIY plans) and commercial duplicators from Terrco and Wood-Carver. Matt *********************************************** Matt Kelley: Woodcarver, E-zine Editor, W3E Coordinator Woodcarver Online Magazine, W3Exchange Programs, Carver Resource Files at: http://carverscompanion.com Carving Shirts & Gear at: http://carverscompanion.com/cclogostuff/logostuff.html CelticCarver WoodWorks: http://celtcarver.com On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Clive Goss wrote: > > Hi all, > I am looking for a way to easily and quickly replicate a carving. > That is make an identical carving over and over again to fill mass > orders. (if they ever come my way that is.....). > Any thoughts or ideas will be greatly appreciated. > Thanks a bunch in advance. > All the best. > Clive. > > www.reddragoncrafts.com From rtoman at hvc.rr.com Fri Jun 6 12:57:35 2008 From: rtoman at hvc.rr.com (R Stephan Toman) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Re; Replicator. In-Reply-To: <001501c8c7ea$b48ccc20$8800a8c0@DadHasThePower> References: <001501c8c7ea$b48ccc20$8800a8c0@DadHasThePower> Message-ID: <20080606165735.OJMG12416.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@LENOVO-WinXPPro.hvc.rr.com> The Gemini Carving Duplicator is reputed to be a very high-quality machine that is better built and has less vibration than Terrco's. http://www.wood-carver.com/index.html Stephan At 11:33 AM 6/6/2008, you wrote: >Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: >http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > >Hi all, >I am looking for a way to easily and quickly replicate a carving. >That is make an identical carving over and over again to fill mass >orders. (if they ever come my way that is.....). >Any thoughts or ideas will be greatly appreciated. >Thanks a bunch in advance. >All the best. >Clive. > >www.reddragoncrafts.com > >_______________________________________________ >Woodcarver mailing list >Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver R. Stephan Toman ~ wood sculptor SONRISE WOODCARVING STUDIO 168 Cottekill Road ~ Duplex "A" P.O. Box 12 Cottekill, NY 12419 Phone: 845-687-9139 Fax: 845-687-6217 Web Gallery: www.sonrisewoodcarving.com Email: sonrisewoodcarvingstudio at pobox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Sun Jun 8 12:09:39 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Sunday Woodcarver Chat Message-ID: <20080608160941.23E801C2219@smtp0.av-mx.com> Join in on the fun!!! For informative and fun REAL TIME conversations with a number of the carvers on "The List", come to the Woodcarver chats. We don't always talk about carving, but if anyone has a question or comment, we can get serious in a hurry. Get to know the people behind the names. And bring you carving questions with you!!! We meet on Wednesday nights at 9:30 PM Eastern and on Sundays at 4:30 PM Eastern. If you are NOT using an IRC chat program, I think you will like these simplified instructions!!! Just click on one of the links below...either will take you directly to #Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_williamslake.html?chan=#Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_stopover.html?chan=#woodcarverchat This may take a LONG time to load!!!!!!! Don't give up. When it finally does load, you will be asked to type in a nickname.....then click connect, and wait a little bit longer. The chat screen will open. Type something in the narrow horizontal space just below the chat screen and hit you enter key. Nothing to it! :) If you are using WebTV or still have trouble getting there, one of these links will work...we just save them as a last resort in case all other links don't work: http://63.79.14.90/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://cobra-ip1.vipershells.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://stopover.ky.us.starlink-irc.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi (This one will have the fastest connection) Type in a nickname where it says"nickname"i Where is says, "channel", type in #woodcarverchat (don't forget the #). ******* If you are using an mIRC chat program: 1. Log onto your ISP. 2. Open mIRC. You should see a box "mIRC Options". If you don't then click on View then on "Options" Fill in the information there...you do NOT have to put in your real name or email address. For security purposes, make them up. Do put in the nickname you want and an alternative. 4. Click on the button with the sunburst icon, just to the right of the button that says, "Connect to Server". Where it says "IRC Network", scroll down until you see "Starlink-IRC" and highlight that so it shows in the window. There is also a Starlink network, so make sure that the one you select has the "IRC" after it. Now click on the arrow next to the IRC server window. That will list a number of Starlink-IRC servers....select one of them. The Starlink-IRC random server will automatically pick one of the servers for you, so you can use that one. With one of the Starlink-IRC servers in the window, click on "Connect to Server" If the Starlink Random Server is not in your mirc program you can add it: Click the "add" button. Where it says "Description" type "Starlink Random Server" Where it says "IRC Server" type IRC.STARLINK-IRC.ORG Port should be 6664,6665,6666,6667,6668,6669 (all of those with no spaces between them) and "Group" is Starlink-IRC 5. Once connected, you'll see lots of scrolling text. When that stops, type /join #Woodcarverchat in the window at the bottom and hit your "enter" key. (you need the / and #, and Woodcarverchat must be spelled exactly right) These instructions are also posted at http://artwebmaine.com/woodcarverchat.html You may want to bookmark that! ******* See you there! E-mail me off the list for additional information and instructions. Marcia Berkall whitwood at fairpoint.net See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 18:06:32 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur Message-ID: <531630.14312.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is a link to a video I've just posted on YouTube. It was done with my 5MP digital still camera so the quality isn't very good and I can only do 3 minutes at a time.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49M2urFtLM I've been toying with the idea of buying a digital video camera and making how-to videos for carvers and box makers. What do you think of this one? Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book From clocker2zero at verizon.net Mon Jun 9 19:23:10 2008 From: clocker2zero at verizon.net (Philip McRae) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:23:10 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur In-Reply-To: <531630.14312.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <531630.14312.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <484DBB5E.8030404@verizon.net> Thanks for a good instructional video. I must add, a nice rock on your finger too! Phil Donna Menke > > From tompierce at cox.net Mon Jun 9 19:30:49 2008 From: tompierce at cox.net (Tom Pierce) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:30:49 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur References: <531630.14312.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8ca88$d9ed26e0$6401a8c0@self4ian9sti18> I thought you did a nice job on the instruction video. The only problem that I could see was that you had the camera focused on bench instead of the mouse. That is a common problem, since the bench doesn't move and the mouse in the had does. Tom "Old Age Is Not For Sissies" Pierce Bellevue, Nebraska mailto:tompierce at cox.net My Web Page http://www.carvertools.com/tpierce From denny_bell at hotmail.com Mon Jun 9 19:34:04 2008 From: denny_bell at hotmail.com (Denny) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:34:04 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur In-Reply-To: <531630.14312.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Very good instruction Donna. It was easy to understand and follow, but the clarity of the image could have been better. That will come with experience, just like your carving has improved. Denny > From: Donna Menke > Reply-To: "[Woodcarver]" > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:06:32 -0700 (PDT) > To: knotholes , "[Woodcarver]" > , > Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > This is a link to a video I've just posted on YouTube. It was done with my 5MP > digital still camera so the quality isn't very good and I can only do 3 > minutes at a time.. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49M2urFtLM > I've been toying with the idea of buying a digital video camera and making > how-to videos for carvers and box makers. What do you think of this one? > Donna Menke > http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com > Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From jancarves3 at rogers.com Mon Jun 9 19:59:13 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:59:13 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur References: <531630.14312.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000801c8ca88$d9ed26e0$6401a8c0@self4ian9sti18> Message-ID: <003f01c8ca8c$d1d9c040$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Donna I send (without your permission ) your YOUTUBE to some of my friends that are NOT on the list and this is what ANNA wrote to me and I say AMEN to that Hi Jan, Thanks for forwarding the video! Donna does a fabuolus job showing how to do the fur, especially in the time frame she had to work with!!!! Good job Donna!! She also has a very relaxed tone of voice which was a pleasure to listlen to. I look forward to seeing the next one she does! Anna Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf From weathertopstudios at msn.com Mon Jun 9 20:16:47 2008 From: weathertopstudios at msn.com (Bill Bauer) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:16:47 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] hummer 3WE Message-ID: <0K2800G8Z0GLXSLL@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> This is very late, but I received a wonderful fan carved hummingbird from Marilyn Osterhouse. The bird got here on time but I am very late on the Thank you's Bill Bauer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 10:34:04 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur Message-ID: <422385.16318.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You are right about that. I may be able to adjust that, but it is a still camera so it is never going to be great for videos. I will try to make the epoxy eye video with better focus, but only a digital video camera will get me a better picture. Guess I need to get one of those. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tom Pierce > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:30:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > I thought you did a nice job on the instruction video. The only problem > that I could see was that you had the camera focused on bench instead of the > mouse. That is a common problem, since the bench doesn't move and the mouse > in the had does. > > Tom "Old Age Is Not For Sissies" Pierce > Bellevue, Nebraska > mailto:tompierce at cox.net > My Web Page http://www.carvertools.com/tpierce > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From donpbk at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 10:37:31 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur Message-ID: <762643.15379.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks, Jan. No problem sharing- this is an open forum after all. I was pleased as punch to read what she had to say. I was worried about the voice thing since it is so easy to drop into a monotone and that is boring. Then the other thing is a bad hair day- but if I keep the focus on my hands I'll just have to get presentable now and then- I'd hate to have to gussy up too often. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jan Oegema > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:59:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Donna I send (without your permission ) your YOUTUBE to some of my friends > that are NOT on the list and this is what ANNA wrote to me and I say AMEN to > that > Hi Jan, > Thanks for forwarding the video! Donna does a fabuolus job showing how to > do the fur, > especially in the time frame she had to work with!!!! Good job Donna!! > She also has a very relaxed tone of voice which was a pleasure to listlen > to. > I look forward to seeing the next one she does! > > Anna > Woodbutcher Jan > > > You are invited to check out my website.. > http://www.janscarvingstudio.com > > Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... > http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher > > http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ > > > http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From jancarves3 at rogers.com Tue Jun 10 11:07:57 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur References: <762643.15379.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c8cb0b$c4be1710$763afd63@your27e1513d96> I'd hate to have to gussy up too often. Donna Menke +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO need to gussy up YOU are a sight for sore eyes as is Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf From cgoss at eastlink.ca Tue Jun 10 12:24:51 2008 From: cgoss at eastlink.ca (Clive Goss) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:24:51 -0300 Subject: [Woodcarver] Re; Replicator. References: <001501c8c7ea$b48ccc20$8800a8c0@DadHasThePower> <6EC1679A-FE80-4FD9-A9C7-D0B75A584325@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000401c8cb16$a2254650$8800a8c0@DadHasThePower> Thanks Matt, and to all others who lent their thoughts. I never realized there was such a selection out there. Thanks again for your help. All the best. Clive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Kelley" To: "[Woodcarver]" Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Re; Replicator. > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Clive - > > In the Carvers' Companion Resource Files, in the Tool Manufacturers > section (http://carverscompanion.com/FileVendors.html) there are links > to several duplicator manufacturers, including Copycarver (DIY plans) > and commercial duplicators from Terrco and Wood-Carver. > > Matt > > *********************************************** > Matt Kelley: Woodcarver, E-zine Editor, W3E Coordinator > > Woodcarver Online Magazine, W3Exchange Programs, > Carver Resource Files at: http://carverscompanion.com > Carving Shirts & Gear at: > http://carverscompanion.com/cclogostuff/logostuff.html > CelticCarver WoodWorks: http://celtcarver.com > > > > > On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Clive Goss wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I am looking for a way to easily and quickly replicate a carving. That >> is make an identical carving over and over again to fill mass orders. >> (if they ever come my way that is.....). >> Any thoughts or ideas will be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks a bunch in advance. >> All the best. >> Clive. >> >> www.reddragoncrafts.com > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From john.archibald at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jun 10 12:35:50 2008 From: john.archibald at blueyonder.co.uk (john archibald) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:35:50 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur References: <762643.15379.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <001901c8cb0b$c4be1710$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Message-ID: <484EAD66.000001.05556@DIY-PC> Being an alien I was frightened to ask what gussy up means. Now I've got it I can now cancel gassy, guppy et.al. More importantly watched and enjoyed your video, thank you. John From: Jan Oegema Date: 10/06/2008 16:34:53 To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] woodburning mouse fur Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html I'd hate to have to gussy up too often. Donna Menke +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO need to gussy up YOU are a sight for sore eyes as is Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oij8WRqvHFvI5jmrXluMgQ9EX1WWzlWp6Mtfv4xUjeca9FN/ From none332 at mchsi.com Wed Jun 11 07:28:39 2008 From: none332 at mchsi.com (George Farrell) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:28:39 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] In-Reply-To: <484F5D31.4050106@sbcglobal.net> References: <484F5D31.4050106@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > Hi Steve Yes. The stuff is ordinarily southern yellow pine. It is very hard and the growth rings are very different from winter wood to summer. This makes it VERY difficult to get a smooth and even cut across a growth ring. Have a good day George Farrell > Hi Everyone, > As to out door carvings finishes, Has anyone else tried pressure > treated green lumber? > My daughter likes the chair I did at GOW 2007 in Jan's class and > that size lumber is not available where I live. I glued and screwed > 2 - 2x8's together and am going to try it. > > Steve From carve at whillock.com Wed Jun 11 08:52:23 2008 From: carve at whillock.com (Ivan Whillock) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:52:23 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] References: <484F5D31.4050106@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <88EE8DD739C543E4BE439858274C0E45@ome> Check out the safety issues of using treated lumber-- Some claim it's safe, others post warnings about its use as in this quote from http://www.howstuffworks.com/question278.htm: "The chemicals in treated wood are generally not good for humans. This is why you see warnings advising you to wear gloves, avoid breathing the sawdust, and refrain from burning treated wood. Keeping small children away from treated wood is also a good idea." However, treated wood is used in school desks, and playground equipment--not necessarily proof that it's always safe to use. Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Klein" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:05 AM To: ; "[Woodcarver]" Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > Hi Everyone, > As to out door carvings finishes, Has anyone else tried pressure > treated green lumber? > My daughter likes the chair I did at GOW 2007 in Jan's class and that size > lumber is not available where I live. I glued and screwed 2 - 2x8's > together and am going to try it. > > Steve > __________ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save on Moving Supplies. Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oij8WRqvHFvI5jmrXluMgQ9EX1WWzlWp6Mtfv4xUjeca9FN/ > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From bremmers at midwestinfo.com Wed Jun 11 09:05:34 2008 From: bremmers at midwestinfo.com (Gene and Darlene Bremmer) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:05:34 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] References: <484F5D31.4050106@sbcglobal.net> <88EE8DD739C543E4BE439858274C0E45@ome> Message-ID: <2B3870CCBEE04E07B3FF26289F2A6234@bremmers> Ivan Nice article in latest issue of Carving Magazine on the Leaves and Grapes..... Gene Picturetrail Album at: http://picturetrail.com/bremmers Email bremmers at midwestinfo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Whillock To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Check out the safety issues of using treated lumber-- Some claim it's safe, others post warnings about its use as in this quote from http://www.howstuffworks.com/question278.htm: "The chemicals in treated wood are generally not good for humans. This is why you see warnings advising you to wear gloves, avoid breathing the sawdust, and refrain from burning treated wood. Keeping small children away from treated wood is also a good idea." However, treated wood is used in school desks, and playground equipment--not necessarily proof that it's always safe to use. 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Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve From: Gene and Darlene Bremmer Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:05 AM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ivan Nice article in latest issue of Carving Magazine on the Leaves and Grapes..... Gene Picturetrail Album at: http://picturetrail.com/bremmers Email bremmers at midwestinfo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Whillock To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Check out the safety issues of using treated lumber-- Some claim it's safe, others post warnings about its use as in this quote from http://www.howstuffworks.com/question278.htm: "The chemicals in treated wood are generally not good for humans. This is why you see warnings advising you to wear gloves, avoid breathing the sawdust, and refrain from burning treated wood. Keeping small children away from treated wood is also a good idea." However, treated wood is used in school desks, and playground equipment--not necessarily proof that it's always safe to use. 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URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 11:56:21 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] Message-ID: <23741.46519.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'd want to be really careful about working with that stuff. If you have evenr gottena splinter with PT wood you know what I mean. Don't breathe the dust. Watch it on sensitive skin. Etc. I wouldn't do it. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: Steve Klein > To: woodcarvingfun at yahoogroups.com; [Woodcarver] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:05:53 AM > Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > Hi Everyone, > As to out door carvings finishes, Has anyone else tried pressure > treated green lumber? > My daughter likes the chair I did at GOW 2007 in Jan's class and that > size lumber is not available where I live. I glued and screwed 2 - > 2x8's together and am going to try it. > > Steve > __________ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save on Moving Supplies. Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oij8WRqvHFvI5jmrXluMgQ9EX1WWzlWp6Mtfv4xUjeca9FN/ > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From stevenfklein at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 11 15:29:26 2008 From: stevenfklein at sbcglobal.net (Steve Klein) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:29:26 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] In-Reply-To: <88EE8DD739C543E4BE439858274C0E45@ome> References: <484F5D31.4050106@sbcglobal.net> <88EE8DD739C543E4BE439858274C0E45@ome> Message-ID: <48502796.2060301@sbcglobal.net> Hi Ivan, Thank you for the warning. I am chisle and mallet carving it, so I am not creating saw dust. But my saw did cause some. Fortunately, my youngest is 22, so we should be fine. No grand children yet. Steve Ivan Whillock wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Check out the safety issues of using treated lumber-- > > Some claim it's safe, others post warnings about its use as in this > quote from > http://www.howstuffworks.com/question278.htm: > > "The chemicals in treated wood are generally not good for humans. This > is why you see warnings advising you to wear gloves, avoid breathing > the sawdust, and refrain from burning treated wood. Keeping small > children away from treated wood is also a good idea." > > However, treated wood is used in school desks, and playground > equipment--not necessarily proof that it's always safe to use. > > > Ivan Whillock Studio > 122 NE 1st Avenue > Faribault, MN 55021 > Visit my website at > http://www.whillock.com > Visit my Picture Trail album at > http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Steve Klein" > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:05 AM > To: ; "[Woodcarver]" > > Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] > >> Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: >> http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html >> >> >> >> Hi Everyone, >> As to out door carvings finishes, Has anyone else tried pressure >> treated green lumber? >> My daughter likes the chair I did at GOW 2007 in Jan's class and that >> size lumber is not available where I live. I glued and screwed 2 - >> 2x8's together and am going to try it. >> >> Steve >> __________ ____________________________________________________________ Beauty Product Reviews Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews and Join Our Product Review Team! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UvsKdOQD1Jimi2bxCSfRBgzaNYJA52QdgBWB0CkUCVfoLG/ From raymighells at verizon.net Wed Jun 11 20:29:10 2008 From: raymighells at verizon.net (Ray Mighells) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:29:10 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] References: <484F5D31.4050106@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <003101c8cc23$576b9890$2e01a8c0@raymighells> I avoid treated lumber like the plague. I've been told by several knowledgeable people that the same chemicals used in Agent Orange are used in treated wood. Even without making dust the cutting of the fibers will produce noxious fumes and you can absorb chemicals through your skin.. Maybe true, maybe not; I would not chance it. You can get as much durability from well finished wood. FWIW Ray Mighells ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Klein" To: ; "[Woodcarver]" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:05 AM Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > Hi Everyone, > As to out door carvings finishes, Has anyone else tried pressure > treated green lumber? > My daughter likes the chair I did at GOW 2007 in Jan's class and that size > lumber is not available where I live. I glued and screwed 2 - 2x8's > together and am going to try it. > > Steve > __________ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save on Moving Supplies. Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oij8WRqvHFvI5jmrXluMgQ9EX1WWzlWp6Mtfv4xUjeca9FN/ > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From carve at whillock.com Wed Jun 11 21:46:03 2008 From: carve at whillock.com (Ivan Whillock) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:46:03 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] References: <484F5D31.4050106@sbcglobal.net> <003101c8cc23$576b9890$2e01a8c0@raymighells> Message-ID: <6927F8614B704C23AC93224C760DD54A@ome> >From the manufacturer: Do not burn ProWood? ACQ treated lumber or any preserved wood. (See Disposal section) Avoid prolonged inhalation of sawdust. When sawing, sanding, or machining ProWood ACQ pressure-treated wood, wear a dust mask. When power-sawing and machining wood, wear goggles. Wear gloves when working with ProWood ACQ. All sawdust and construction debris should be cleaned up and disposed of after construction. After working with ProWood ACQ, and before eating, drinking, toileting, and use of tobacco products, wash exposed areas thoroughly. Wash work clothes separately from other household clothing before reuse. Preserved wood should not be used where it may come into direct or indirect contact with drinking water, except for uses involving incidental contact such as freshwater docks and bridges. Do not use preserved wood under circumstances where the preservative may become a component of food, animal feed, or beehives. Do not use preserved wood for mulch. Only preserved wood that is visibly clean and free of surface residue should be used for patios, decks, and walkways. Use hot-dip galvanized or other fasteners and hardware as recommended by the hardware manufacturer. Do not use preserved wood in direct contact with aluminum. Mold growth may occur on building products, including untreated or treated wood. To remove mold from a treated wood surface, mild soap and water is typically used. Disposal Recommendations ProWood ACQ pressure-treated lumber products which are no longer usable-such as cutoffs, broken boards, sawdust or treated wood material taken out of service-may be disposed of in landfills. Treated lumber should not be burned in open fires or in stoves, fireplaces or residential boilers. Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray Mighells" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:29 PM To: "[Woodcarver]" Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > I avoid treated lumber like the plague. I've been told by several > knowledgeable people that the same chemicals used in Agent Orange are used > in treated wood. Even without making dust the cutting of the fibers will > produce noxious fumes and you can absorb chemicals through your skin.. > Maybe true, maybe not; I would not chance it. You can get as much > durability from well finished wood. FWIW Ray Mighells > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Klein" > To: ; "[Woodcarver]" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:05 AM > Subject: [Woodcarver] [Fwd: Out door carvings] > > >> Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: >> http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html >> >> >> >> Hi Everyone, >> As to out door carvings finishes, Has anyone else tried pressure >> treated green lumber? >> My daughter likes the chair I did at GOW 2007 in Jan's class and that >> size lumber is not available where I live. I glued and screwed 2 - 2x8's >> together and am going to try it. >> >> Steve >> __________ >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Save on Moving Supplies. 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Just click on one of the links below...either will take you directly to #Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_williamslake.html?chan=#Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_stopover.html?chan=#woodcarverchat This may take a LONG time to load!!!!!!! Don't give up. When it finally does load, you will be asked to type in a nickname.....then click connect, and wait a little bit longer. The chat screen will open. Type something in the narrow horizontal space just below the chat screen and hit you enter key. Nothing to it! :) If you are using WebTV or still have trouble getting there, one of these links will work...we just save them as a last resort in case all other links don't work: http://63.79.14.90/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://cobra-ip1.vipershells.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://stopover.ky.us.starlink-irc.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi (This one will have the fastest connection) Type in a nickname where it says"nickname"i Where is says, "channel", type in #woodcarverchat (don't forget the #). ******* If you are using an mIRC chat program: 1. Log onto your ISP. 2. Open mIRC. You should see a box "mIRC Options". If you don't then click on View then on "Options" Fill in the information there...you do NOT have to put in your real name or email address. For security purposes, make them up. Do put in the nickname you want and an alternative. 4. Click on the button with the sunburst icon, just to the right of the button that says, "Connect to Server". Where it says "IRC Network", scroll down until you see "Starlink-IRC" and highlight that so it shows in the window. There is also a Starlink network, so make sure that the one you select has the "IRC" after it. Now click on the arrow next to the IRC server window. That will list a number of Starlink-IRC servers....select one of them. The Starlink-IRC random server will automatically pick one of the servers for you, so you can use that one. With one of the Starlink-IRC servers in the window, click on "Connect to Server" If the Starlink Random Server is not in your mirc program you can add it: Click the "add" button. Where it says "Description" type "Starlink Random Server" Where it says "IRC Server" type IRC.STARLINK-IRC.ORG Port should be 6664,6665,6666,6667,6668,6669 (all of those with no spaces between them) and "Group" is Starlink-IRC 5. Once connected, you'll see lots of scrolling text. When that stops, type /join #Woodcarverchat in the window at the bottom and hit your "enter" key. (you need the / and #, and Woodcarverchat must be spelled exactly right) I have put these instructions on a web page with direct links at http://artwebmaine.com/woodcarverchat.html You may want to bookmark it. ******* See you there! E-mail me off the list for additional information and instructions. Marcia Berkall or Jack Royer whitwood at fairpoint.net jdeuell at reinbeck.net See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for sharing Merryl I've been in your neck of the woods a few times Loved it Your carvings are nothing to sneeze at Welll done Although I am NOT a bird carver I enjoy looking at them Keep up the good work Thanks again Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdcox at aernet.ca Sun Jun 15 22:37:32 2008 From: sdcox at aernet.ca (Shawn Cox) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:37:32 -0300 Subject: [Woodcarver] New website In-Reply-To: <003601c8cf13$1caf7c10$3406b18e@familys0zcp3oa> References: <003601c8cf13$1caf7c10$3406b18e@familys0zcp3oa> Message-ID: Nice looking site Merryl and your carvings are great! Shawn..In New Brunswick, Can _____ From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Merryl Bustin Sent: June-15-08 3:11 PM To: Knotholes at yahoogroups.com; [Woodcarver] Subject: [Woodcarver] New website Hi carving friends; Greetings from Nova Scotia and happy daddy's day to all this applies! I've had my first website up and running for a few weeks now and since it hasn't blown up, or caused any crashes that I know of, I thought it time to share with those who care to take a peek. It is still developing, and as I learn more about this html stuff I will add more with time. www.highlandwoodcarver.ca Have a great day, Merryl Bustin No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date: 14/06/2008 6:02 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've had my first website up and running for a few weeks now and since it hasn't blown up, or caused any crashes that I know of, I thought it time to share with those who care to take a peek. It is still developing, and as I learn more about this html stuff I will add more with time. www.highlandwoodcarver.ca Have a great day, Merryl Bustin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjellies at aol.com Mon Jun 16 09:37:26 2008 From: jjellies at aol.com (jjellies at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:37:26 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] sites Message-ID: <8CA9DCD40088813-608-1F@WEBMAIL-MA19.sysops.aol.com> Greetings all wood-lovers. I was wondering, for those of you who sell your carvings, what have you found most comfortable for your style and situation? Shows, art fairs, your own websites, hosted sites, etc.? Some of you are sure pros, and seem to have it down, others of us mostly do it for fun, but it does seem there is a large in between who also sell. In looking at the carvings on etsy.com I see the range, with some absolutely outstanding carvings but with about 1000-2000 items listed, is there a market there? My metalwork gets lost with many 100,000's of listings of such things so if I posted woodcarvings I can't help but wonder if time and energy isn't better spent in other venues (or just not selling and continuing my avocation just for the heck of it...LOL) Best, JohnJ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rtoman at hvc.rr.com Mon Jun 16 10:56:17 2008 From: rtoman at hvc.rr.com (R Stephan Toman) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] sites In-Reply-To: <8CA9DCD40088813-608-1F@WEBMAIL-MA19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA9DCD40088813-608-1F@WEBMAIL-MA19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080616145613.MZDZ2027.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@LENOVO-WinXPPro.hvc.rr.com> You might look at http://www.art-exchange.com/ and see if it would be a good venue for your work Stephan At 09:37 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote: >Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List >with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > >Greetings all wood-lovers. I was wondering, for >those of you who sell your carvings, what have >you found most comfortable for your style and >situation? Shows, art fairs, your own websites, hosted sites, etc.? > >Some of you are sure pros, and seem to have it >down, others of us mostly do it for fun, but it >does seem there is a large in between who also >sell. In looking at the carvings on etsy.com I >see the range, with some absolutely outstanding >carvings but with about 1000-2000 items listed, >is there a market there? My metalwork gets lost >with many 100,000's of listings of such things >so if I posted woodcarvings I can't help but >wonder if time and energy isn't better spent in >other venues (or just not selling and continuing >my avocation just for the heck of it...LOL) > >Best, > >JohnJ? > >---------- >Get >the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! >_______________________________________________ >Woodcarver mailing list >Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver R. Stephan Toman ~ wood sculptor SONRISE WOODCARVING STUDIO 168 Cottekill Road ~ Duplex "A" P.O. Box 12 Cottekill, NY 12419 Phone: 845-687-9139 Fax: 845-687-6217 Web Gallery: www.sonrisewoodcarving.com Email: sonrisewoodcarvingstudio at pobox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Mon Jun 16 10:57:21 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:57:21 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] sites In-Reply-To: <8CA9DCD40088813-608-1F@WEBMAIL-MA19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA9DCD40088813-608-1F@WEBMAIL-MA19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080616145725.005EB1C04A1@smtp0.av-mx.com> Hey, John, Nice to hear from you :) Good question and conversation starter!! I used to do lots of shows. I really enjoyed the people contact and they are a great way to get your name out there. The down side is that here in Maine at least, where we have a huge tourist trade, people tend to look at us as, let us say "unworldly", and think they can get good bargains from us "hicks". LOL I love the people contact at shows, but the flea market mentality is sometimes hard to take. For years I resisted galleries, not wanting to pay the 50% commissions. BUT, since working with galleries, my prices have at least tripled. Add to that the fact that some of the more upscale shows cost $300 to $400, or even more, plus transportation, motels or camping expenses, food.....well, you get the idea. For me, staying home and carving and driving the 2 miles to the Post Office to get work to the galleries has worked out much better. I still do between 3 and 5 demonstrations a year to keep my name out there and to remind people that I'm here. My web page has gotten me some great commissions and several return customers. I wouldn't want to have to rely on it for food money, but it sure helps. The commissions I've gotten through it have been GREAT! By the way, I recently completely redesigned my web page. It is now at http://whittlinsnwood.com I have not had any luck at all with online galleries/sites. I've been thinking about Etsy, though. The fees there are so reasonable that with the right key words or categories it may be worth a try. Unlike ebay, there is a good range of prices, so who knows??! Hope this helps! Good luck!! Marcia (aka Mush) See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The down side is that here in Maine at least, where we have a huge tourist trade, people tend to look at us as, let us say "unworldly", and think they can get good bargains from us "hicks". LOL I love the people contact at shows, but the flea market mentality is sometimes hard to take. For years I resisted galleries, not wanting to pay the 50% commissions. BUT, since working with galleries, my prices have at least tripled. Add to that the fact that some of the more upscale shows cost $300 to $400, or even more, plus transportation, motels or camping expenses, food.....well, you get the idea. For me, staying home and carving and driving the 2 miles to the Post Office to get work to the galleries has worked out much better. I still do between 3 and 5 demonstrations a year to keep my name out there and to remind people that I'm here. My web page has gotten me some great commissions and several return customers. I wouldn't want to have to rely on it for food money, but it sure helps. The commissions I've gotten through it have been GREAT! By the way, I recently completely redesigned my web page. It is now at HYPERLINK "http://whittlinsnwood.com/"http://whittlinsnwood.com I have not had any luck at all with online galleries/sites. I've been thinking about Etsy, though. The fees there are so reasonable that with the right key words or categories it may be worth a try. Unlike ebay, there is a good range of prices, so who knows??! Hope this helps! Good luck!! Marcia (aka Mush) See Marcia's wood carvings at: HYPERLINK "http://whittlinsnwood.com/"http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: HYPERLINK "http://artwebmaine.com/"http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS HYPERLINK "http://www.getcoffeecup.com/"www.getcoffeecup.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.bloomquist at verizon.net Tue Jun 17 07:20:41 2008 From: m.bloomquist at verizon.net (Mike Bloomquist) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:20:41 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] sites In-Reply-To: <8CA9DCD40088813-608-1F@WEBMAIL-MA19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c8d06c$2da6a340$0202a8c0@mikestoy> John, I'm still at the arts and craft show stage that Mush talked about. Yvonne and I have slowly been moving up to the more expensive venues (like Artistry in Wood in Dayton, Ohio) because they will sell the $100-$300+ items. It's amusing that, at a distance, the customers look the same, but what they drove there in probably cost a bit more than my Hyundai . Arts and craft shows work for us because we combine it with our travel a little bit and get mileage credit for our tax's C schedule. I've done a co-op gallery in Old Forge, NY and that was fun for several years, but not that profitable. When I wanted to teach more, my buddy Harold took my spot at the co-op and does much better there than I did because he keeps his inventory up. Like Mush, Harold has also had really good results with galleries. You have to get over the 40% (or more) cut they take, but it's all about location, location, location. It's very easy to triple your prices for a gallery and still make out better than the arts and craft shows because postage is cheaper than fuel and lodging any day. You miss the client interaction but they have the clientele that more readily appreciate the art, and you'll never hear "Well, I could make that myself" even though maybe they could ;-). I hate to keep echoing Mush here, but I love the website for unusual commissions that make you push out your comfort zone. Thanks to the website I have carved two Hanuman plaques for a Yoga studio in Manhattan, a wood spirit in Iceland, and an Odin themed walking staff in California (that received a "killer" rating). All in all the best outlet for wood carvings I see is the galleries, but it doesn't hurt to combine them with the others as you can. Keep on Carvin' -Mike B.-> Wooden Dreams Woodcarving http://www.woodendreamz.com -----Original Message----- From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of jjellies at aol.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:37 AM To: Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Subject: [Woodcarver] sites Greetings all wood-lovers. I was wondering, for those of you who sell your carvings, what have you found most comfortable for your style and situation? Shows, art fairs, your own websites, hosted sites, etc.? Some of you are sure pros, and seem to have it down, others of us mostly do it for fun, but it does seem there is a large in between who also sell. In looking at the carvings on etsy.com I see the range, with some absolutely outstanding carvings but with about 1000-2000 items listed, is there a market there? My metalwork gets lost with many 100,000's of listings of such things so if I posted woodcarvings I can't help but wonder if time and energy isn't better spent in other venues (or just not selling and continuing my avocation just for the heck of it...LOL) Best, JohnJ _____ Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thewoodcraftshop at mchsi.com Tue Jun 17 11:50:25 2008 From: thewoodcraftshop at mchsi.com (Larry Yudis) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:50:25 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Conditions for the International Woodcarvers Congress ... Message-ID: <20080617155034.BB4EA6C624@six.pairlist.net> Hi folks, We've received many calls and e-mails concerning the fate of the International Woodcarvers Congress held in Davenport, Iowa. The Congress is held at the Mississippi Valley Fairgrounds up on Locust St. and well away from the Mighty Mississippi River. If the water ever gets that high from the ol' Miss, we're going to look for Noah to do his thing again! :o) This is a brief schedule of what is happening: June 21 - 22: Accepting carry-in carvings for competition. June 23 - 24: Closed judging. June 23 - 28: Various 5, 3, 2 and 1 day seminars being held. June 26 - 29: Show is open to the public. There is a charge at the door: $4.00 day / $10.00 4 day pass. AWC members: $2.00 day / $5.00 4 day pass. June 26 - 29: Silent Auction Fundraiser. June 28 & 29: Judges Critique Sessions. June 28: Annual Awards Banquet. June 29: Annual AWC Membership Meeting. If you have e-mail access to your club members, please pass this information on to them. If you have any questions about the Congress, please give us a call. We hope we see all y'all there! Best regards, Carol and Larry Yudis, Show Chairs International Woodcarvers Congress Affiliated Wood Carvers, Ltd. PO Box 104 Bettendorf, IA 52722 563-359-9684 (days) 563-355-3787 (evenings) 563-505-2700 (cell) www.awcltd.org From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Wed Jun 18 15:06:02 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:06:02 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] New website References: <003601c8cf13$1caf7c10$3406b18e@familys0zcp3oa> Message-ID: <00bd01c8d176$59f73b20$a305140a@Joe> Hi Merryl, Nice web site design and nice carvings. mmmm also love the baby black bear. Nice. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Merryl Bustin To: Knotholes at yahoogroups.com ; [Woodcarver] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: [Woodcarver] New website Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi carving friends; Greetings from Nova Scotia and happy daddy's day to all this applies! I've had my first website up and running for a few weeks now and since it hasn't blown up, or caused any crashes that I know of, I thought it time to share with those who care to take a peek. It is still developing, and as I learn more about this html stuff I will add more with time. www.highlandwoodcarver.ca Have a great day, Merryl Bustin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Wed Jun 18 15:22:58 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:22:58 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] sites References: <8CA9DCD40088813-608-1F@WEBMAIL-MA19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <010c01c8d178$b79f99f0$a305140a@Joe> Hi John, I've never used my web site for sales. The only reason I have a web site is that it saves me printing a colored brochure of my work. In the last 15 years it has snagged me about 5 big money orders, but that was just luck. Most of my marketing was through Home Improvement Shows. Many of my jobs for industrial carvings came from the Illinois Manufacturing Directory (a free listing). Some of my work comes from the local phone book (also free listing). Then through the years there has been a lot of Word-Of-Mouth sales (also free). I would say that the Home Improvement Shows have been responsible for 85% of my work through the years. Because I help promote these Home Improvement Shows I would get my booth space free, about $1,200 value. Promoting these home shows on TV and Radio also promoted my own business as well, a win, win situation. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: jjellies at aol.com To: Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Spam:***, [Woodcarver] sites Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greetings all wood-lovers. I was wondering, for those of you who sell your carvings, what have you found most comfortable for your style and situation? Shows, art fairs, your own websites, hosted sites, etc.? Some of you are sure pros, and seem to have it down, others of us mostly do it for fun, but it does seem there is a large in between who also sell. In looking at the carvings on etsy.com I see the range, with some absolutely outstanding carvings but with about 1000-2000 items listed, is there a market there? My metalwork gets lost with many 100,000's of listings of such things so if I posted woodcarvings I can't help but wonder if time and energy isn't better spent in other venues (or just not selling and continuing my avocation just for the heck of it...LOL) Best, JohnJ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Berkall To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] sites Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hey, John, Nice to hear from you :) Good question and conversation starter!! I used to do lots of shows. I really enjoyed the people contact and they are a great way to get your name out there. The down side is that here in Maine at least, where we have a huge tourist trade, people tend to look at us as, let us say "unworldly", and think they can get good bargains from us "hicks". LOL I love the people contact at shows, but the flea market mentality is sometimes hard to take. For years I resisted galleries, not wanting to pay the 50% commissions. BUT, since working with galleries, my prices have at least tripled. Add to that the fact that some of the more upscale shows cost $300 to $400, or even more, plus transportation, motels or camping expenses, food.....well, you get the idea. For me, staying home and carving and driving the 2 miles to the Post Office to get work to the galleries has worked out much better. I still do between 3 and 5 demonstrations a year to keep my name out there and to remind people that I'm here. My web page has gotten me some great commissions and several return customers. I wouldn't want to have to rely on it for food money, but it sure helps. The commissions I've gotten through it have been GREAT! By the way, I recently completely redesigned my web page. It is now at http://whittlinsnwood.com I have not had any luck at all with online galleries/sites. I've been thinking about Etsy, though. The fees there are so reasonable that with the right key words or categories it may be worth a try. Unlike ebay, there is a good range of prices, so who knows??! Hope this helps! Good luck!! Marcia (aka Mush) See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Wed Jun 18 17:46:58 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:46:58 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Wednesday Woodcarver Chat Message-ID: <20080618214659.EF3461BF4E2@smtp0.av-mx.com> Join in on the fun!!! For informative and fun REAL TIME conversations with a number of the carvers on "The List", come to the Woodcarver chats. We don't always talk about carving, but if anyone has a question or comment, we can get serious in a hurry. Get to know the people behind the names. And bring you carving questions with you!!! We meet on Wednesday nights at 9:30 PM Eastern and on Sundays at 4:30 PM Eastern. If you are NOT using an IRC chat program, I think you will like these simplified instructions!!! Just click on one of the links below...either will take you directly to #Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_williamslake.html?chan=#Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_stopover.html?chan=#woodcarverchat This may take a LONG time to load!!!!!!! Don't give up. When it finally does load, you will be asked to type in a nickname.....then click connect, and wait a little bit longer. The chat screen will open. Type something in the narrow horizontal space just below the chat screen and hit you enter key. Nothing to it! :) If you are using WebTV or still have trouble getting there, one of these links will work...we just save them as a last resort in case all other links don't work: http://63.79.14.90/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://cobra-ip1.vipershells.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://stopover.ky.us.starlink-irc.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi (This one will have the fastest connection) Type in a nickname where it says"nickname"i Where is says, "channel", type in #woodcarverchat (don't forget the #). ******* If you are using an mIRC chat program: 1. Log onto your ISP. 2. Open mIRC. You should see a box "mIRC Options". If you don't then click on View then on "Options" Fill in the information there...you do NOT have to put in your real name or email address. For security purposes, make them up. Do put in the nickname you want and an alternative. 4. Click on the button with the sunburst icon, just to the right of the button that says, "Connect to Server". Where it says "IRC Network", scroll down until you see "Starlink-IRC" and highlight that so it shows in the window. There is also a Starlink network, so make sure that the one you select has the "IRC" after it. Now click on the arrow next to the IRC server window. That will list a number of Starlink-IRC servers....select one of them. The Starlink-IRC random server will automatically pick one of the servers for you, so you can use that one. With one of the Starlink-IRC servers in the window, click on "Connect to Server" If the Starlink Random Server is not in your mirc program you can add it: Click the "add" button. Where it says "Description" type "Starlink Random Server" Where it says "IRC Server" type IRC.STARLINK-IRC.ORG Port should be 6664,6665,6666,6667,6668,6669 (all of those with no spaces between them) and "Group" is Starlink-IRC 5. Once connected, you'll see lots of scrolling text. When that stops, type /join #Woodcarverchat in the window at the bottom and hit your "enter" key. (you need the / and #, and Woodcarverchat must be spelled exactly right) I have put these instructions on a web page with direct links at http://artwebmaine.com/woodcarverchat.html You may want to bookmark it. ******* See you there! E-mail me off the list for additional information and instructions. Marcia Berkall or Jack Royer whitwood at fairpoint.net jdeuell at reinbeck.net See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snordha1 at nycap.rr.com Thu Jun 19 12:56:06 2008 From: snordha1 at nycap.rr.com (Steve Nordhauser) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <485A8FA6.9060604@nycap.rr.com> Joe says: > > Then through the years there has been a lot of Word-Of-Mouth sales > (also free). Only someone who would maintain a great reputation, provide superb service for their customers and go the extra mile to keep someone happy would call Word-Of-Mouth 'free'. It represents a huge investment in time, patience and interpersonal skills. It is also the best advertising. Steve From redcougar at mchsi.com Thu Jun 19 14:28:26 2008 From: redcougar at mchsi.com (larry) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:28:26 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Message-ID: <485AA54A.8070509@mchsi.com> Dear list members, I belong to a small carving club in rural North Carolina.We recently began talking about selling carvings. Most of us being new at this, we talked about what you could and could not legally sell. Most of us have purchased rough outs with instructions from time to time. All of us have copied free patterns from the internet. All of us have made carvings from patterns and instructions found in the carving magazines we purchase. Morally and probably legally? we need to give credit for rough out and/or pattern, but the question which we really have is: What can a person legally sell in a show or at a craft fair or in an art gallery as a conscientious, wood carver concerned about the state of the art? Thank you in advance for your replies, and as I have learned , Keep Them Sharp, Larry, Rocky Hock, N.C. From carve at whillock.com Thu Jun 19 15:47:21 2008 From: carve at whillock.com (Ivan Whillock) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:47:21 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. References: <485AA54A.8070509@mchsi.com> Message-ID: This is my general understanding about copyrights. The originator owns all rights to the material. He/she can choose to give away or sell some, none, or all of those rights. By buying the book or magazine, you purchase certain rights as expressed in the copyright notice. The best way to find out what you have purchased is to look at the copyright notice. Most often the authors want to protect reproduction of the pattern, because that is what they are selling. Often they grant the carver the right to make and sell carvings based on the patterns, but not to reproduce or sell the patterns. There are a few who present the pattern "for instructional purposes only" and restrict even the selling of carvings made from the patterns. They have that right. Remember, by buying the book you are not automatically buying all rights, or even necessarily the commercial rights to the material. Some authors offer the patterns with the assumption that they will be used strictly by amateurs and not by people who are in carving for commercial purposes. Enforcement is up to the holder of the copyright. People with clout, Disney, for example, have much more success in protecting their products from unauthorized reproduction than others. The average carver has no such power. A lot of unauthorized copying takes place because there is a misunderstanding of the rights or an inability--or reluctance--of the holder of the copyright to enforce them. Since most of the authors are ordinary folks like you and me, some don't care whether you sell carvings from their patterns or not. Some care but are "too nice" to do anything about it. Chances are, however, the author is reachable. I'd bet most would appreciate being asked for permission if there is a doubt. Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve -------------------------------------------------- From: "larry" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:28 PM To: Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Dear list members, > I belong to a small carving club in rural North Carolina.We recently began > talking about selling carvings. > Most of us being new at this, we talked about what you could and could not > legally sell. Most of us have purchased rough outs with instructions > from time to time. All of us have copied free patterns from the internet. > All of us have made carvings from patterns and instructions found in the > carving magazines we purchase. > Morally and probably legally? we need to give credit for rough out and/or > pattern, but the question which we really have is: > What can a person legally sell in a show or at a craft fair or in an art > gallery as a conscientious, wood carver concerned about the state of the > art? > > Thank you in advance for your replies, and as I have learned , Keep Them > Sharp, > > Larry, > > Rocky Hock, N.C. > > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From martin_leenhouts at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 16:05:52 2008 From: martin_leenhouts at yahoo.com (Martin Leenhouts) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: <485AA54A.8070509@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <567138.15923.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Larry, I've been a school teacher for a long time and the copyright issue comes up regularly. I'm no expert but here's my take on the questions you're asking. ? 1. Selling your own work?carved from someone else's pattern should not be any problem, legally or morally. It's your work, afterall, even if you looked at or worked from a pattern not your own. You are not selling something that is not your own. ? 2. Selling someone else's pattern - now that's a problem! ? I expect people to use the free chip carving patterns I give away. If they sell their finished?chip carving to someone else, good for them. Don't go selling the pattern I gave away, but sell all your own chip carvings as much as you'd like. ? Marty www.MyChipCarving.com ? ? --- On Thu, 6/19/08, larry wrote: From: larry Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. To: Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 1:28 PM Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Dear list members, I belong to a small carving club in rural North Carolina.We recently began talking about selling carvings. Most of us being new at this, we talked about what you could and could not legally sell. Most of us have purchased rough outs with instructions from time to time. All of us have copied free patterns from the internet. All of us have made carvings from patterns and instructions found in the carving magazines we purchase. Morally and probably legally? we need to give credit for rough out and/or pattern, but the question which we really have is: What can a person legally sell in a show or at a craft fair or in an art gallery as a conscientious, wood carver concerned about the state of the art? Thank you in advance for your replies, and as I have learned , Keep Them Sharp, Larry, Rocky Hock, N.C. _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redcougar at mchsi.com Thu Jun 19 16:09:19 2008 From: redcougar at mchsi.com (larry) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:09:19 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: References: <485AA54A.8070509@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <485ABCEF.6030809@mchsi.com> Ivan, Thank You, very much for your response, we have been discussing your Grape Vine relief carving in "Carving magazine" as an example. This discussion came about because of some of the carvings we have seen for sale on various web sites in recent weeks. > > > Since most of the authors are ordinary folks like you and me, some > don't care whether you sell carvings from their patterns or not. Some > care but are "too nice" to do anything about it. > > Chances are, however, the author is reachable. I'd bet most would > appreciate being asked for permission if there is a doubt. > > > Ivan Whillock Studio > 122 NE 1st Avenue > Faribault, MN 55021 > >> What can a person legally sell in a show or at a craft fair or in an >> art gallery as a conscientious, wood carver concerned about the >> state of the art? >> >> Thank you in advance for your replies, and as I have learned , Keep >> Them Sharp, >> >> Larry, >> >> Rocky Hock, N.C. > From redcougar at mchsi.com Thu Jun 19 16:22:23 2008 From: redcougar at mchsi.com (larry) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:22:23 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: <567138.15923.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <567138.15923.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <485ABFFF.7050401@mchsi.com> Thank You Marty, None of us would consider selling a pattern that someone else had designed. All of us feel a moral obligation to give credit where credit is due. In my case and most of the others, because we are learning , our carvings cannot match the quality and detail of those of long time list members, and when you compare what we carve to the pattern, well............ recognizing it could be a problem. We are learning and we will keep improving .......... and someday we too may publish in one of the magazines. Larry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > I expect people to use the free chip carving patterns I give away. If > they sell their finished chip carving to someone else, good for them. > Don't go selling the pattern I gave away, but sell all your own chip > carvings as much as you'd like. > > > > Marty > > /mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Thu Jun 19 16:23:35 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:23:35 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: <567138.15923.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <485AA54A.8070509@mchsi.com> <567138.15923.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080619202337.AE386290259@smtp1.av-mx.com> I am not a lawyer, but I do design my own carvings. I have also spent a lot of time reading and trying to understand copyright law...and that's not easy LOL There is such a thing called a "derivative work" The following is a direct quote from the US gov't page on copyright: "Who May Prepare a Derivative Work? Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. The owner is generally the author or someone who has obtained rights from the author." I don't use other peoples' designs, but if I were going to, especially if I were to sell carvings made from them, I would definitely check with the original designer before making copies" IMHO By the way, a work of art automatically carries an implied copyright, so any time you copy one without the artists' permission, it is technically an infringement Copyright information at http://www.copyright.gov/ Marcia (aka Mush) Mart >Marty said: >I've been a school teacher for a long time and the copyright issue >comes up regularly. I'm no expert but here's my take on the >questions you're asking. > > > >1. Selling your own work carved from someone else's pattern should >not be any problem, legally or morally. It's your work, afterall, >even if you looked at or worked from a pattern not your own. You are >not selling something that is not your own. > > > >2. Selling someone else's pattern - now that's a problem! > > > >I expect people to use the free chip carving patterns I give away. >If they sell their finished chip carving to someone else, good for >them. Don't go selling the pattern I gave away, but sell all your >own chip carvings as much as you'd like. > > > >Marty > >www.MyChipCarving.com > > > > > > > >--- On Thu, 6/19/08, larry wrote: >From: larry >Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. >To: Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 1:28 PM > > >Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > >http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > >Dear list members, > >I belong to a small carving club in rural North Carolina.We recently > >began talking about selling carvings. > >Most of us being new at this, we talked about what you could and could > >not legally sell. Most of us have purchased rough outs with instructions > >from time to time. All of us have copied free patterns from the > >internet. All of us have made carvings from patterns and instructions > >found in the carving magazines we purchase. > >Morally and probably legally? we need to give credit for rough out > >and/or pattern, but the question which we really have is: > >What can a person legally sell in a show or at a craft fair or in an art > >gallery as a conscientious, wood carver concerned about the state of > >the art? > > > > Thank you in advance for your replies, and as I have learned > >, Keep Them Sharp, > > > > > > > > > >Larry, > > > > > > > > > >Rocky Hock, N.C. > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Woodcarver mailing list > >Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > >_______________________________________________ >Woodcarver mailing list >Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abkinnaman at earthlink.net Thu Jun 19 18:05:34 2008 From: abkinnaman at earthlink.net (Byron) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Message-ID: <22355285.1213913134501.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Thu Jun 19 21:02:17 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: <22355285.1213913134501.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.s a.earthlink.net> References: <22355285.1213913134501.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080620010219.DE2EF29035D@smtp1.av-mx.com> The Gov't web page on copyright at http://www.copyright.gov/ has some pretty clear definitions of "derivatives" and other aspects of copyright. I just didn't paste it all here. Most states also have an organization called "Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts" where you can also get some good information at little or no cost. In recent years, copyright law has made some huge strides intended to protect the artist more than ever. IMHO, by avoiding copying, or at least by asking for permission from the original artist, there will be no need to worry about the law. Unfortunately there will always be people who feel for one reason or another that it is alright to copy someone else's work. Byron, I'm not quite sure how you meant that reference to my work. :) Marcia (aka Mush) Byron said: >There's a lot more to law than reading the statutes. Copywrite >laws, at least from my observation, require a lot of knowledge of >court actions to fully understand the law, and how it's interpreted >and implemented. Note that in Mush's quote there's no mention of >the definination of "new version" or how it relates to media or how >dissimilar do a work have to be. Those are the things that the >courts decide and without knowledge of what the courts have done >it's really hard to make an interpretation. > From my observations of carving publications I contend that there's > very little in the carving world that's not copied from something > else, including Mush's works. Not trying to offend, just pointing > out that it's very difficult to determine what is a copywrite > violation and what isn't. >Byron See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Thu Jun 19 21:40:05 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:40:05 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. References: <485AA54A.8070509@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <01de01c8d276$90ab04c0$a305140a@Joe> Hi Ivan, Thanks for your thoughtful response to this copyright question. My teachers also taught us that when studying the masters, such as sketching their work, you give the artist credit along with your name. Such as Joe Dillett after (the original artist's name). Most woodcarving artists today offer their ideas and patterns as a study guide to help other carvers study along their way to discovering their own artist's voice. Another thought about copyrights. Copyrights can be sold. There have been cases I've sold the copyright for more then the original and to a different person. A foundry commissioned me to do a Last Supper buying only the copyright and the right to cast 5 patterns off my original. I later sold the original to a different person with the understanding that they did not have the right to make any copies. I have done the same for commissioned lithographs. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Whillock" To: "[Woodcarver]" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > This is my general understanding about copyrights. > > The originator owns all rights to the material. He/she can choose to give > away or sell some, none, or all of those rights. By buying the book or > magazine, you purchase certain rights as expressed in the copyright > notice. The best way to find out what you have purchased is to look at the > copyright notice. Most often the authors want to protect reproduction of > the pattern, because that is what they are selling. Often they grant the > carver the right to make and sell carvings based on the patterns, but not > to reproduce or sell the patterns. There are a few who present the > pattern "for instructional purposes only" and restrict even the selling of > carvings made from the patterns. They have that right. Remember, by > buying the book you are not automatically buying all rights, or even > necessarily the commercial rights to the material. Some authors offer the > patterns with the assumption that they will be used strictly by amateurs > and not by people who are in carving for commercial purposes. > > Enforcement is up to the holder of the copyright. People with clout, > Disney, for example, have much more success in protecting their products > from unauthorized reproduction than others. The average carver has no > such power. A lot of unauthorized copying takes place because there is a > misunderstanding of the rights or an inability--or reluctance--of the > holder of the copyright to enforce them. > > Since most of the authors are ordinary folks like you and me, some don't > care whether you sell carvings from their patterns or not. Some care but > are "too nice" to do anything about it. > > Chances are, however, the author is reachable. I'd bet most would > appreciate being asked for permission if there is a doubt. > > > Ivan Whillock Studio > 122 NE 1st Avenue > Faribault, MN 55021 > Visit my website at > http://www.whillock.com > Visit my Picture Trail album at > http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "larry" > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:28 PM > To: > Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. > >> Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: >> http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html >> >> Dear list members, >> I belong to a small carving club in rural North Carolina.We recently >> began talking about selling carvings. >> Most of us being new at this, we talked about what you could and could >> not legally sell. Most of us have purchased rough outs with instructions >> from time to time. All of us have copied free patterns from the internet. >> All of us have made carvings from patterns and instructions found in the >> carving magazines we purchase. >> Morally and probably legally? we need to give credit for rough out and/or >> pattern, but the question which we really have is: >> What can a person legally sell in a show or at a craft fair or in an art >> gallery as a conscientious, wood carver concerned about the state of >> the art? >> >> Thank you in advance for your replies, and as I have learned , Keep Them >> Sharp, >> >> Larry, >> >> Rocky Hock, N.C. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Woodcarver mailing list >> Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver >> > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From redcougar at mchsi.com Thu Jun 19 22:14:21 2008 From: redcougar at mchsi.com (larry) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:14:21 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws Message-ID: <485B127D.6030908@mchsi.com> Thank You guys for your answers. I did not mean to stir a hornets nest. I will, for my own peace of mind, and in respect for the art form, request permission from the writers of the articles in the magazines and the instructional books which I purchase before an attempt to sell is made. This appears to be the safe and morally correct thing to do. Thank You Larry From abkinnaman at earthlink.net Fri Jun 20 00:05:01 2008 From: abkinnaman at earthlink.net (Byron) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:05:01 -0700 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Message-ID: <380-220086520451189@earthlink.net> All laws are subject to interpretation by the courts. That's the way our constitution is written. So no matter how any individual interprets the statutes the courts have the final say. We pay lawyers to search court records to attempt to determine how an individual case is likely to be interpreted. In every case some lawyers are right and some are wrong. Now what do you do about it? How do you deal with possible copyright infringement, that's up to each individual to decide. As for me, I do my own design with computer copies of the my sketches so I have some proof that I created the design. I also avoid something looking like well known icons. From that point on I take my chances. I think that's what most of us do. I wouldn't take a pattern from any publication or rough out, carve it and attempt to sell that carving for several reasons. The biggest one is that somebody else is already doing that. As far as your works go, you didn't invent the characteristics that make your carvings a Santa. Therefore those characteristics were copied from someplace, originally from somebody that had either a registered copyright or an implied copyright. That's why I say from looking at carvings at shows, in publications, and the internet almost all are copied from someplace. Byron Kinnaman abkinnaman at earthlink.net http://byronscabin.kinnamans.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Berkall To: \[Woodcarver\] Sent: 6/19/2008 6:02:33 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. The Gov't web page on copyright at http://www.copyright.gov/ has some pretty clear definitions of "derivatives" and other aspects of copyright. I just didn't paste it all here. Most states also have an organization called "Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts" where you can also get some good information at little or no cost. In recent years, copyright law has made some huge strides intended to protect the artist more than ever. IMHO, by avoiding copying, or at least by asking for permission from the original artist, there will be no need to worry about the law. Unfortunately there will always be people who feel for one reason or another that it is alright to copy someone else's work. Byron, I'm not quite sure how you meant that reference to my work. :) Marcia (aka Mush) Byron said: There's a lot more to law than reading the statutes. Copywrite laws, at least from my observation, require a lot of knowledge of court actions to fully understand the law, and how it's interpreted and implemented. Note that in Mush's quote there's no mention of the definination of "new version" or how it relates to media or how dissimilar do a work have to be. Those are the things that the courts decide and without knowledge of what the courts have done it's really hard to make an interpretation. >From my observations of carving publications I contend that there's very little in the carving world that's not copied from something else, including Mush's works. Not trying to offend, just pointing out that it's very difficult to determine what is a copywrite violation and what isn't. Byron See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Fri Jun 20 00:53:24 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:53:24 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: <380-220086520451189@earthlink.net> References: <380-220086520451189@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080620045325.000EF2905EB@smtp1.av-mx.com> 1. A concept or idea is not copyrightable. "Copyright protects 'original works of authorship' that are fixed in a tangible form of expression. " (Ref: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wci ) 2. "A work that was created (fixed in tangible form for the first time) on or after January 1, 1978, is automatically protected from the moment of its creation and is ordinarily given a term enduring for the author's life plus an additional 70 years after the author's death. " (Ref: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hlc ) 3 For items created prior to January 1, 1978, copyrights, through a series of legislations, were extended to last for a total of 95 years. SO......the concept of Santa is not copyrightable...specific designs of Santa are. I have never seen a Santa playing an African drum, or a violin, riding on a goose, carrying an elephant or dried flowers in a basket, or tangled in lights. They were not taken or in any way based on anyone else's designs..the Santas I carve are my own designs, totally. There is a difference between using the "idea" or "concept" of Santa and copying a specific Santa design. According to copyright law, then, I cannot stop anyone from carving a Santa playing an African Drum....that is just an idea. However, I can take issue with someone copying my design for a Santa playing an African Drum. If you really want to push the matter, you could say that every Santa that anyone carves, draws or in any way depicts, wearing a fur-trimmed red suit is based on the Thomas Nast rendition which has become a commonly accepted "concept" of Santa. However, since Thomas Nast died around 1902, then any copyrights attached to his renditions of Santa have expired. The issue with copyright is a financial one, basically. The problem is with making financial gain from someone else's design...or selling it or derivatives of it. I spend many hours, often months or even years pondering a design, sketching it, resketching it and working up final patterns. Is it fair for someone else to use that design for their own benefit? That is what copyright law is intended to protect. Marcia (aka Mush) At 12:05 AM 6/20/2008, Byron wrote: >All laws are subject to interpretation by the courts. That's the >way our constitution is written. So no matter how any individual >interprets the statutes the courts have the final say. We pay >lawyers to search court records to attempt to determine how an >individual case is likely to be interpreted. In every case some >lawyers are right and some are wrong. > >Now what do you do about it? How do you deal with possible >copyright infringement, that's up to each individual to decide. As >for me, I do my own design with computer copies of the my sketches >so I have some proof that I created the design. I also avoid >something looking like well known icons. From that point on I take >my chances. I think that's what most of us do. > >I wouldn't take a pattern from any publication or rough out, carve >it and attempt to sell that carving for several reasons. The >biggest one is that somebody else is already doing that. > >As far as your works go, you didn't invent the characteristics that >make your carvings a Santa. Therefore those characteristics were >copied from someplace, originally from somebody that had either a >registered copyright or an implied copyright. That's why I say >from looking at carvings at shows, in publications, and the internet >almost all are copied from someplace. > > > >Byron Kinnaman >abkinnaman at earthlink.net >http://byronscabin.kinnamans.net/ > See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redcougar at mchsi.com Fri Jun 20 08:38:19 2008 From: redcougar at mchsi.com (larry) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:38:19 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws Message-ID: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com> Good morning all. I have read with great interest the e-mails on this subject and have placed them in a folder for future reference. I have gone to the Govt. site and read many documents. I read the statement, All rights reserved, in the front of the mags. Joe Dillet said woodcarvers offer their "materials as instruction" and I treasure that and understand. Ivan Whillock said seek permission. Being made aware of the term "derivative" the assumption had been made that if one is given patterns and complete carving and painting instructions Permission to carve a derivative sculpture had been given. After reading these replies, one must assume that these are for instruction and practice only and in my journey that is how they shall be treated. I dearly love to carve caricature animals and wood spirits in canes and walking sticks. It is very difficult not to carve one which is extremely similar to ones that others have carved. again thank you for your response. From whitwood at fairpoint.net Fri Jun 20 08:53:00 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws In-Reply-To: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com> References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com> Good morning, Larry, I want to thank you for asking about copyright issues. It's a subject that a lot of people just are not aware of...also one that can be confusing. Years ago "Wood" Magazine offered a pattern for a Santa. Several issues later, because somebody asked about using that pattern to carve Santas for sale, the editors published a statement that went something like this, " If the pattern was one that was generated by the magazine itself, then copies could be made for sale. If it was one submitted by a private individual, then permission from that individual was needed." I believe after that it was clearly stated in the magazine which designs could be carved for sale. You can never go wrong by asking. Thanks.. See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Fri Jun 20 09:13:02 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. References: <380-220086520451189@earthlink.net> <20080620045325.000EF2905EB@smtp1.av-mx.com> Message-ID: <001e01c8d2d7$5e5c2d80$a305140a@Joe> Prior to 1978 a copyright was not so easily implied, so it was necessary to register your copyright to insure protection. Prior to 1978 I was selling a series of colonial plaques, every year adding one or two more to the series. I knew that there was a religious group (not mentioning the name) that would purchase my new designs to reproduce them. After several years they showed me that they had the copyright on my designs and ordered me to stop making them. I was able to quickly show them that my copyright predated there's and that they were infringing on my copyright. They quickly stopped reproducing my designs. If I had not registered or had proof of date of origin they could have forced me to stop making my own design. Byron makes a good point about documenting when you created your design. One method suggested by my attorney is to print a letter with pictures of your design and have it notarized. Keeping copies of these letters handy can quickly settle any issue without getting into a legal battle. Marcia, thanks for including the facts. One point not covered is that I believe the heirs can renew the copyright indefinitely. So one can never assume that the copyright has run out like a patent runs out. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Berkall ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. A concept or idea is not copyrightable. "Copyright protects 'original works of authorship' that are fixed in a tangible form of expression. " (Ref: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wci ) 2. "A work that was created (fixed in tangible form for the first time) on or after January 1, 1978, is automatically protected from the moment of its creation and is ordinarily given a term enduring for the author's life plus an additional 70 years after the author's death. " (Ref: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hlc ) 3 For items created prior to January 1, 1978, copyrights, through a series of legislations, were extended to last for a total of 95 years. SO......the concept of Santa is not copyrightable...specific designs of Santa are. I have never seen a Santa playing an African drum, or a violin, riding on a goose, carrying an elephant or dried flowers in a basket, or tangled in lights. They were not taken or in any way based on anyone else's designs..the Santas I carve are my own designs, totally. There is a difference between using the "idea" or "concept" of Santa and copying a specific Santa design. According to copyright law, then, I cannot stop anyone from carving a Santa playing an African Drum....that is just an idea. However, I can take issue with someone copying my design for a Santa playing an African Drum. If you really want to push the matter, you could say that every Santa that anyone carves, draws or in any way depicts, wearing a fur-trimmed red suit is based on the Thomas Nast rendition which has become a commonly accepted "concept" of Santa. However, since Thomas Nast died around 1902, then any copyrights attached to his renditions of Santa have expired. The issue with copyright is a financial one, basically. The problem is with making financial gain from someone else's design...or selling it or derivatives of it. I spend many hours, often months or even years pondering a design, sketching it, resketching it and working up final patterns. Is it fair for someone else to use that design for their own benefit? That is what copyright law is intended to protect. Marcia (aka Mush) At 12:05 AM 6/20/2008, Byron wrote: All laws are subject to interpretation by the courts. That's the way our constitution is written. So no matter how any individual interprets the statutes the courts have the final say. We pay lawyers to search court records to attempt to determine how an individual case is likely to be interpreted. In every case some lawyers are right and some are wrong. Now what do you do about it? How do you deal with possible copyright infringement, that's up to each individual to decide. As for me, I do my own design with computer copies of the my sketches so I have some proof that I created the design. I also avoid something looking like well known icons. From that point on I take my chances. I think that's what most of us do. I wouldn't take a pattern from any publication or rough out, carve it and attempt to sell that carving for several reasons. The biggest one is that somebody else is already doing that. As far as your works go, you didn't invent the characteristics that make your carvings a Santa. Therefore those characteristics were copied from someplace, originally from somebody that had either a registered copyright or an implied copyright. That's why I say from looking at carvings at shows, in publications, and the internet almost all are copied from someplace. Byron Kinnaman abkinnaman at earthlink.net http://byronscabin.kinnamans.net/ See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charlestrella at hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 09:55:13 2008 From: charlestrella at hotmail.com (Charles Trella) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Copyrights In-Reply-To: <000801c8d2d4$b5c3d8f0$a3d40f62@surveyor> References: <000801c8d2d4$b5c3d8f0$a3d40f62@surveyor> Message-ID: This has been a very interesting and enlightening discussion. Thanks for the question and all the wonderful responses. I have a feeling that there are a LOT of carvers out there like myself, who are not particularly "artistic" (or have themselves convinced that they're not because they can't draw well). So we tend to work from patterns of some sort. Some of those are patterns from magazine articles and some are from books. I have a feeling most of us rarely sell our work, but instead give it away as gifts. When we DO sell it may be an occasional one off. In both of these instances I doubt anyone would object - even though we may be technically stepping over the line of the copyright law. The reality is that the economic loss suffered by the original copyright holder is so negligible that it makes not sense for them to carry out a legal action - though they might ask you to desist. Morally - if you didn't claim the design as your own I don't think you've done anything wrong. Likewise, when a carver steps up to displaying their works (on a website) - as long as they give fair credit for the design and are simply showing it as an example of their "carving" skill or accomplishment - again, no harm no foul. If they DID, however, try to imply or claim the design as their own - then morally (and legally) they are crossing the line. Even though the original copyright holder might not pursue them legally because the damages don't justify it. Now, when a carvers moves into the realm of selling carvings - especially multiples of a given design, you really ought to write the original copyright holder and get explicit permission to do so. Both morally and legally - even though they STILL might not pursue you due to the legal cost involved. Heck - if you're below the radar and not advertising the work on the web, they very well might not even be aware of your activity. But morally - it's just the right thing to do, and legally - the safe thing to do. Now Larry raised an interesting point in his last email: "I dearly love to carve caricature animals and wood spirits in canes andwalking sticks. It is very difficult not to carve one which is extremely similar to ones that others have carved." Using the woodspirit example: yes, there have been SO many versions done, in many instances copies of copies of copies etc, that it can be very difficult to carve one without some serious similarities to the myriads of others. However, as long as you DIDN'T take someone else's EXACT pattern and carve it following their STEP BY STEP instructions so as to be identical (or VERY close to it), I doubt you'd run afoul of copyrights. The woodspirit has become a pretty generic subject matter. Even so - there ARE carvers out there who have developed a very recognizable "style" or look even for this common subject matter. I would point to Shawn Cipa as a prime example. Possibly Greg Wilkerson or Colin Partridge as other examples. To me, the best way to avoid this and to develop our own "voice" as a carver, would be to take photo's (with permission) of any individuals we come across with strong features that might make a good model for a spirit face. From that photo you can use a photo editing package or hand sketching to create your own unique "pattern" that you CAN claim as your own work and design. You can modify the expression or various details of that face to create your own variations (derivatives) from YOUR pattern rightly claim a copyright to that work. That's what I aspire to for my own work eventually. But for now, like most out there, I am learning from articles and other's examples on the web. So I wouldn't claim any as my own design, nor would I seek to produce them in quantities to sell unless I sought permission. That's my take on it anyway. ChuckT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abkinnaman at earthlink.net Fri Jun 20 10:46:09 2008 From: abkinnaman at earthlink.net (Byron) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:46:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Message-ID: <23033940.1213973170380.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abkinnaman at earthlink.net Fri Jun 20 11:23:27 2008 From: abkinnaman at earthlink.net (Byron) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:23:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Message-ID: <26773418.1213975407293.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Fri Jun 20 11:42:31 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:42:31 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: <001e01c8d2d7$5e5c2d80$a305140a@Joe> References: <380-220086520451189@earthlink.net> <20080620045325.000EF2905EB@smtp1.av-mx.com> <001e01c8d2d7$5e5c2d80$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: <20080620154234.73350290217@smtp1.av-mx.com> At 09:13 AM 6/20/2008, Joe Dillett wrote: From what I can make out at http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ15.html, copyright terms are actually divided. Works copyrighted before January of 1978 were subject to a renewal system. As laws were added, the term of copyright extended. It is my understanding that in order to extend that original 28-year term, a renewal had to be filed before the end of the 28th year. Newer legislation in 1978 and 1992 made renewal of the first 28-year term automatic for works copyrighted between January 1, 1964, and December 31, 1977, so filing for renewal is optional and the term is 95 years. Works created on or after January 1, 1978 are automatically protected from the moment of creation and are "ordinarily" given a term "enduring for the author's life plus an additional 70 years after the author's death. " As far as I can tell there is no provision for indefinite renewal, but that would take a phone call to be sure. And I really need to get back to work!!! Thanks for the discussion!! Marcia (aka Mush) >[snip] Marcia, thanks for including the facts. One point not covered >is that I believe the heirs can renew the copyright indefinitely. So >one can never assume that the copyright has run out like a patent runs out. > >Joe Dillett >The Carving Shop >645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 >Somonauk, IL. 60552 > >(815) 498-9290 phone >(815) 498-9249 fax >http://www.thecarvingshop.net >[business web site] >http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask >Joe' column] >http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scrimshaw at aptalaska.net Fri Jun 20 12:03:51 2008 From: scrimshaw at aptalaska.net (Steve Lankerd Sr) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:03:51 -0800 Subject: [Woodcarver] Copyrights References: <000801c8d2d4$b5c3d8f0$a3d40f62@surveyor> Message-ID: <00c101c8d2ef$3cb8a650$4363ba40@zuke1> Here is an added twist.... What about if you see a great picture on a calendar or a greeting card? I've heard from a master scrimshander that if you change the medium, like art from the two mentioned, to say a carving or ivory scrim, that you are legal. The following is what I was told by one of the country's top scrimshaw artists..... "Altering something by 10% (or some figure) is enough to comply with copyright. When we do scrim, we change it 100%. Artists can use anything for a model. If you put the photo on a copier, and try to sell the copy as the original, then you've got problems. I've been to some of the best art museums in the world, where they allow painters to make painted copies of masterpieces. They just can't sell them as the originals." As a scrimshaw artist and gunstock carver, I am faced with this all the time. There are times when I see a great looking picture. And maybe at that time I only want the deer, moose, etc... and then create my own background. Not all the time but occasionally. I don't think there is anything wrong with the concept of being inspired by a picture and then changing it. The one thing I do when I sell a piece of scrim.... I include a card with the information on it that "This scrim was inspired by the Native art from Jack Hudson. Native design by Jack...scrimmed by Steve Lankerd" Any thoughts? Best Regards, Steve Steve Lankerd Sr Metlakatla, Alaska http://www.stevelankerdstudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at carvedbyramsey.com Fri Jun 20 12:45:54 2008 From: ron at carvedbyramsey.com (Ramsey) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:45:54 -0700 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I want to propose a situation for discussion regarding derivatives. If I were to use a copyrighted photo of an animal as a reference how does that factor in. The setting and design of the carving is mine. The animal obviously was not designed by the photographer but the angle and framing of the shot was created by the photographer. Would that be considered a derivative subject to copyright? What if I were to use the angle of the head but change the position of the body? I'm curious what your moral and ethical opinions are on the subject. -- Ron Ramsey http://www.carvedbyramsey.com Be sure to look at the incredible nature inspired art jewelry hand fabricated by my wife, Karen Olsen Ramsey. It's worth the time to take a look! http://www.artjeweler.com From whitwood at fairpoint.net Fri Jun 20 13:01:37 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:01:37 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080620170140.2AD4B290248@smtp1.av-mx.com> Personally, if I were to in any way reproduce any part of that photograph, I would first ask permission from the photographer. I have used photographs as reference material...as a way of getting to know the subject. I look at pictures of aging people, specifically women, so I can get a feel for expressions, wrinkles, etc. I do NOT copy the photographs though. I also use anatomy books. Once I have some familiarity with the subject, I can then go about designing my own sketches or carvings...or clay models. Photographs are a great way to get to know the subject. My favorite reference photos are the ones I take myself. I have files with lots of photos of Joe, my husband, making all kinds of faces, standing in different stances, etc. Since we can't always manage to take our own photos, we do often have to rely on those of others. As long as they are used for reference and not copied, it works for me. :) Marcia (aka Mush) At 12:45 PM 6/20/2008, Ron Ramsey wrote: >I want to propose a situation for discussion regarding derivatives. >If I were to use a copyrighted photo of an animal as a reference how >does that factor in. The setting and design of the carving is mine. >The animal obviously was not designed by the photographer but the >angle and framing of the shot was created by the >photographer. Would that be considered a derivative subject to >copyright? What if I were to use the angle of the head but change >the position of the body? I'm curious what your moral and ethical >opinions are on the subject. >-- >Ron Ramsey >http://www.carvedbyramsey.com > >Be sure to look at the incredible nature inspired art jewelry hand >fabricated by my wife, Karen Olsen Ramsey. It's worth the time to >take a look! >http://www.artjeweler.com See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redcougar at mchsi.com Fri Jun 20 13:05:43 2008 From: redcougar at mchsi.com (larry) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyrights Message-ID: <485BE367.1050204@mchsi.com> I am pleased with the reaction to the question and the replies given by all. Here are the facts as they relate to me. I retired recently and was looking a hobby to spend some time with. I had the opportunity to take a carving class and figured, heck it will be fun and I may find something. I purchased a Barlow knife and went to class. In this class we learned the basics. I never considered the fact that I had any abilities along these lines. I really enjoyed the class and kept making serious efforts and purchases of tools from time to time. I purchased books, purchased mags., became a sideliner to this list, to see what I could learn. I have given some of my stuff to friends and relatives because they admired it and they have encouraged me to keep working. Much of my stuff makes very fine fire wood. Last summer I entered a local show with a few of my walking sticks and won second best in show ( competition was not a big issue) . I have sold 3 or 4 of them, one a commission. This has become, for me, a great hobby and in no way do I intend to make a living carving and selling. Many appreciate what I do. I always carry two walking sticks when I go sit on the river bank and carve. One complete and one that I am carving . If a passer by takes interest and wants to purchase the completed stick, I am very happy to accommodate. Recently I have been ask to enter a local craft show with a good friend of mine. He makes Bird Houses. Looking around the house for things I could display, many were attempts from magazine articles or purchased cut outs. For me that was a problem, Not my original work. I guess I need to get busy on some more originals and get a quantity of carvings I can proudly display. As a side I am trying to develop a small carving which i can sit and work on as people walk and look. One I can finish while people are watching. I Know, practice, practice, and did I say Practice . Thank You guys and Gals for your response to my question , keep up the great work and a special thank you for the part you have played in helping me with this very rewarding Talent you are assisting me to develop as I attempt to age gracefully. It is really great when someone looks at what you are doing and says wow............. Larry From donpbk at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 14:23:32 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws Message-ID: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think I have a good example- whatever the laws say: I give my patterns and instructions free on my web site. I don't care what anyone does with the work they create using that material. I teach and give these same materials out with the class blank. They are told that they may make as many as they want and sell them if they want. I'm not into production of duplicates anymore. However- I have gathered together all of these patterns into a booklet, bound and with colored photos of the projects. These I sell. If someone were to take my patterns/instructions and do the same thing with them, and sell them- I would be irritated. If they published it in a book, I would be supremely irritated. I wouldn't do anything legally about it though, because the cost of pursuing a lawsuit would far outweigh the benefits. I would tell their mother- that would show them. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: larry > To: Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:38:19 AM > Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Good morning all. > I have read with great interest the e-mails on this subject and have > placed them in a folder for future reference. > I have gone to the Govt. site and read many documents. > I read the statement, All rights reserved, in the front of the mags. > > Joe Dillet said woodcarvers offer their "materials as instruction" and I > treasure that and understand. > > Ivan Whillock said seek permission. > > Being made aware of the term "derivative" the assumption had been made > that if one is given patterns and complete carving and painting instructions > Permission to carve a derivative sculpture had been given. After reading > these replies, one must assume that these are for instruction and > practice only > and in my journey that is how they shall be treated. > > I dearly love to carve caricature animals and wood spirits in canes and > walking sticks. It is very difficult not to carve one which is extremely > similar to > ones that others have carved. > again thank you for your response. > > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From bremmers at midwestinfo.com Fri Jun 20 14:30:37 2008 From: bremmers at midwestinfo.com (Gene and Darlene Bremmer) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:30:37 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws References: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9D708AADFB47432590796B8D8A400F7B@bremmers> Donna, I LOVE that one........ Gene . I would tell their mother- that would show them. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redcougar at mchsi.com Fri Jun 20 15:15:50 2008 From: redcougar at mchsi.com (larry) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:15:50 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws In-Reply-To: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <485C01E6.9000803@mchsi.com> Donna Menke wrote; > If someone were to take my patterns/instructions and do the same thing with them, and sell them- I would be irritated. If they published it in a book, I would be supremely irritated. > I wouldn't do anything legally about it though, because the cost of pursuing a lawsuit would far outweigh the benefits. I would tell their mother- that would show them. > Donna Menke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Thank you for a great answer, love it, I am going to tell your > daddy....... I just want to do the right thing, If I can pay for a gallon of gas, by selling a carving, it is a bonus..........The real joy is someone , especially a child, walking by and saying wwwoooooow, look at that, he is making a face in that stick........................... Larry From Linehan718 at aol.com Fri Jun 20 15:18:08 2008 From: Linehan718 at aol.com (Linehan718 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:18:08 EDT Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Message-ID: Yes I totally agree with Mush on this one. My understanding of copyright law is a financial protection for the originator of the design. You can not copyright an idea such as a relief carving that features a barn, horse and tree. You may take pictures of your own barn, horse and tree and arrange them to form a relief carving pattern. However, as regards to those who sell patterns, they are selling those patterns so that you can use them. There is also a "fair use clause" in copyright law which enables anyone to use any copyrighted material in pursuit of an education of any type. I also can copy any carving and display it in the privacy of my own home without any legal issues arising from it. The copyright issue rears its head only when I attempt to mass produce, or sell a carving that I have used a copyrighted pattern or design to produce it. The copyright also comes into use when I attempt to display publicly an item made from someone elses copyrighted design. At the very least a mention should be given to the copyright holder, but to be technically legal written permission should be obtained from the copyright holder. The Walt Disney Corporation is very vigilant about protecting its copyrights and does send out agents to see who is infringing the copyrights. This includes craft makers. Disney will have its lawyers issue a "cease and desist" stop order immediately. It will then aggressively prosecute when they consider it to be in their best interests. But............and here's where the gray area in copyright law comes in.......there has been at least one carver who has gotten away with it. I can't recall the particulars right now but there was a carver who carved gepetto and Pinocchio, who then displayed it publicly at some type of craft fair for the purpose of selling it. A Disney representative was on hand and knew that the carving had sold for such and such a price and the surprised carver was dragged into court. While Disney was technically correct, the judge issued a summery dismissal of the suit, ruling that the selling of a one-of-a-kind carving did no financial damage to Disney or that the financial damage was negligible. But the judge also advised the artist that what he was doing was illegal and that if Disney had wished to pursue the case further that the man would not only be liable for what he sold the carving for but for treble damages(triple) and court costs. As a learning novice i would consider it fine to copy anything to learn skills. At the point where you begin selling or publicly displaying your carvings you should be respecting other artists copyrights. In my first few years when I was ignorant of copyright law, I copied from Ivan, from Joe D, from lora Irish and a few others but then I began asking proper permission. Most people are friendly and if you just ask, they grant permission happily. I have never been turned down and in fact some carvers were so flattered that I would even want to copy their work that they asked that I send finished pics and/or progress pics. Maura Carving in NYC _www.carvinginnyc.com_ (http://www.carvinginnyc.com/) _http://mycarvingclub.com/mauramacaluso_ (http://mycarvingclub.com/mauramacaluso) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denny_bell at hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 16:55:00 2008 From: denny_bell at hotmail.com (Denny Bell) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:55:00 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Copyrights In-Reply-To: <00c101c8d2ef$3cb8a650$4363ba40@zuke1> References: <000801c8d2d4$b5c3d8f0$a3d40f62@surveyor> <00c101c8d2ef$3cb8a650$4363ba40@zuke1> Message-ID: This statement makes it sound like I could make resin casts of a carving done by another artist, and as long as I change the medium, it is OK. Doesn't sound right to me. I also heard the 10% rule, but was also told it was hot upheld in the courts. I guess if we look long enough we can find something to support any thing we want to support. As far as the old masters, their copyright should have run out a long time ago... Denny From: scrimshaw at aptalaska.net To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:03:51 -0800 Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Copyrights Here is an added twist.... What about if you see a great picture on a calendar or a greeting card? I've heard from a master scrimshander that if you change the medium, like art from the two mentioned, to say a carving or ivory scrim, that you are legal. The following is what I was told by one of the country's top scrimshaw artists..... "Altering something by 10% (or some figure) is enough to comply with copyright. When we do scrim, we change it 100%. Artists can use anything for a model. If you put the photo on a copier, and try to sell the copy as the original, then you've got problems. I've been to some of the best art museums in the world, where they allow painters to make painted copies of masterpieces. They just can't sell them as the originals." As a scrimshaw artist and gunstock carver, I am faced with this all the time. There are times when I see a great looking picture. And maybe at that time I only want the deer, moose, etc... and then create my own background. Not all the time but occasionally. I don't think there is anything wrong with the concept of being inspired by a picture and then changing it. The one thing I do when I sell a piece of scrim.... I include a card with the information on it that "This scrim was inspired by the Native art from Jack Hudson. Native design by Jack...scrimmed by Steve Lankerd" Any thoughts? Best Regards, Steve Steve Lankerd Sr Metlakatla, Alaska http://www.stevelankerdstudio.com _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 16:56:22 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] Copyrights Message-ID: <731895.90023.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Your work is so nice, Steve. I think you have the right idea. Nobody living has designed these animals- but someone may come up with a pose in a photo or painting that is somewhat unique. In that case your giving credit to that artist is just right, after asking permission to use it. I have copied some old masters in oils and I've always signed with my name and added theirs too. Reminds me of the person who came up with the original kitten hanging on for dear life- and how often that image has been used. Bet nobody has given that person any recognition. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: Steve Lankerd Sr > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:03:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Copyrights > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > Here is an added twist.... > > What about if you see a great picture on a calendar or a > greeting card? I've heard from a master scrimshander that if you change > the medium, like art from the two mentioned, to say a carving or ivory scrim, > that you are legal. > > The following is what I was told by one of the country's top > scrimshaw artists..... > "Altering something by 10% (or some figure) is enough to > comply with copyright. When we do scrim, we change it 100%. Artists can use > anything for a model. If you put the photo on a copier, and try to sell the copy > > as the original, then you've got problems. I've been to some of the best > art museums in the world, where they allow painters to make painted copies of > masterpieces. They just can't sell them as the originals." > > As a scrimshaw artist and gunstock carver, I am faced with > this all the time. There are times when I see a great > looking picture. And maybe at that time I only want the > deer, moose, etc... and then create my own background. Not all the time > but occasionally. I don't think there is anything wrong with the concept > of being inspired by a picture and then changing it. The one thing I do > when I sell a piece of scrim.... I include a card with the information on it > that "This scrim was inspired by the Native art from Jack Hudson. > Native design by Jack...scrimmed by Steve Lankerd" > > Any thoughts? > > > Best Regards, > > Steve > > Steve Lankerd Sr > Metlakatla, Alaska > > http://www.stevelankerdstudio.com From denny_bell at hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 16:58:37 2008 From: denny_bell at hotmail.com (Denny Bell) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:58:37 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't see a problem either morally or ethically... but my finished carvings never seem to look like what it was supposed to anyhow! Denny > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:45:54 -0700 > To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > From: ron at carvedbyramsey.com > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > I want to propose a situation for discussion regarding derivatives. > If I were to use a copyrighted photo of an animal as a reference how > does that factor in. The setting and design of the carving is mine. > The animal obviously was not designed by the photographer but the > angle and framing of the shot was created by the photographer. Would > that be considered a derivative subject to copyright? What if I were > to use the angle of the head but change the position of the body? > I'm curious what your moral and ethical opinions are on the subject. > -- > Ron Ramsey > http://www.carvedbyramsey.com > > > Be sure to look at the incredible nature inspired art jewelry hand > fabricated by my wife, Karen Olsen Ramsey. It's worth the time to > take a look! > http://www.artjeweler.com > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The animal obviously was not designed by the photographer but the angle and framing of the shot was created by the photographer. Would that be considered a derivative subject to copyright? What if I were to use the angle of the head but change the position of the body? I'm curious what your moral and ethical opinions are on the subject. -- Ron Ramsey http://www.carvedbyramsey.com It is my understanding that nature can not be copyrighted just as an idea can't. What is copyrighted is the particular composition of the photo and as such, it is protected from being reprinted anywhere, by anyone, except for those with the expressed permission or right to do so. When working from a copyrighted photo as a reference for a carving, many, many photos should be used and combined. One should never fully copy anything but should always attempt to bring their own style to it. As mentioned before, the only exception to this should be while you are a novice and still in your learning phase. When you have moved on from that part of your learning you should be capable of creating. Remember, you are only an artist if you create. If you copy, you are considered a forger. Maura Carving in NYC _www.carvinginnyc.com_ (http://www.carvinginnyc.com/) _http://mycarvingclub.com/mauramacaluso_ (http://mycarvingclub.com/mauramacaluso) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenfklein at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 20 20:06:50 2008 From: stevenfklein at sbcglobal.net (Steve Klein) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:06:50 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <485C461A.50601@sbcglobal.net> Hi Denny, It sounds like you carve like I do. If I could only be 20% off, I'd be happy. As for nature, animals. The GUY upstairs has the copywrite on them. I don't think HE would mind. Steve Denny Bell wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I don't see a problem either morally or ethically... but my finished > carvings never seem to look like what it was supposed to anyhow! > > Denny > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:45:54 -0700 > > To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > > From: ron at carvedbyramsey.com > > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. > > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > I want to propose a situation for discussion regarding derivatives. > > If I were to use a copyrighted photo of an animal as a reference how > > does that factor in. The setting and design of the carving is mine. > > The animal obviously was not designed by the photographer but the > > angle and framing of the shot was created by the photographer. Would > > that be considered a derivative subject to copyright? What if I were > > to use the angle of the head but change the position of the body? > > I'm curious what your moral and ethical opinions are on the subject. > > -- > > Ron Ramsey > > http://www.carvedbyramsey.com > > > > > > Be sure to look at the incredible nature inspired art jewelry hand > > fabricated by my wife, Karen Olsen Ramsey. It's worth the time to > > take a look! > > http://www.artjeweler.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Woodcarver mailing list > > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! 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Patti Landmann lowvillecarver at yahoo.com? ?http://www.picturetrail.com/lowvillecarver.............for carvings, family and more http://lagrandmama.blogspot.com/...........for my Grandma experiences http://picasaweb.google.com/lowvillecarver...........for Bird, Deer & Flower Photos from our house http://www.centuryinter.net/treasures/.........for my old dated web site,still good stuff: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdcvrrip at comcast.net Fri Jun 20 21:08:39 2008 From: wdcvrrip at comcast.net (WdcvrRip@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Message-ID: <062120080108.19459.485C5497000BCA2400004C0322007343649F079D9D900C0B99@comcast.net> Taking this subject to a new level. Recently I saw a carving on e-bay by a carver who passed away in 1950. Later I found an almost similar carving pattern in a popular carving book. I used this pattern, changing the hat and clothing etc to simulate the original. Was this a violation of any copyright? Rip -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Steve Klein > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Steve Klein Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:07:07 +0000 Size: 7787 Url: From john.archibald at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jun 21 07:45:16 2008 From: john.archibald at blueyonder.co.uk (john archibald) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:45:16 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com> <20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com> Message-ID: <485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC> Marcia, I know I'm going to get shot down in flames for this but I'm saying this because I believe. I see copyrighted designs that are based on designs almost 2,000 years old. Pictish, Celtic whatever. For what its worth I'll use the originals , the ones carved on stones over much of Scotland, when and if I choose. Originals? Can any of us in all honest create an original design? I have my doubts. If a triangle is used , a circle a zig zag, then the patterns originality - to me- is iffy. I recently paid for a book of patterns, only to find they were not geometrically accurate. When I contacted the author she advised me that these were only meant as guides and were made before CAD. I've no problem with that but the time I wasted blaming myself of an error could have been better spent. As a beginner I realise others maybe professionals trying to make a living . In no way am I dismissing the time and skill they need rewarded for. Rgds John Archibald Glenrothes. Scotland -------Original Message------- From: Marcia Berkall Date: 20/06/2008 13:53:22 To: \[Woodcarver\] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws Good morning, Larry, I want to thank you for asking about copyright issues. It's a subject that a lot of people just are not aware of...also one that can be confusing. Years ago "Wood" Magazine offered a pattern for a Santa. Several issues later, because somebody asked about using that pattern to carve Santas for sale, the editors published a statement that went something like this, " If the pattern was one that was generated by the magazine itself, then copies could be made for sale. If it was one submitted by a private individual, then permission from that individual was needed." I believe after that it was clearly stated in the magazine which designs could be carved for sale. You can never go wrong by asking. Thanks.. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 20284 bytes Desc: not available Url : From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Sat Jun 21 10:33:25 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws (not just beating a dead horse) References: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <485C01E6.9000803@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004c01c8d3ab$c3faefd0$a305140a@Joe> Great discussion on copyrights. Another benefit to this type of discussion is to keep us mindful of copyrights and giving credit where credit is due. So I feel that we're not just beating a dead horse. Wonder if that image has been copyrighted? LOL One thing I hardly see in the carving world is when someone signs their work, taken from another person's pattern, they don't credit the originator of the design, like if I did one of Ivan's patterns I would sign 'Joe Dillett after Ivan Whillock'. Maybe we need to think about doing that as a way to recognize the originator for their creativity and talent? This is a common practice in drawing and painting. We should look from the other side of the fence, not the side worried about if we're in violation but from the side to use copyrights to our advantage, even as a marketable item to sell. A copyright costs almost nothing and can be sold for more then the original piece. I have done it several times. I know a carver/pattern maker who got a whole new building for his shop from one copyright. I feel that putting a value on the copyright is giving our work the respect it deserves. I think it was Saint Francis who said that a laborer works with is hands, a craftsman works with is brain and an artist works from their heart. Maybe I'm wrong on who's said it, because most of the time I am, but it puts things in perspective of what we are trying to achieve. Everything around us is inspiration, including the work from other artists and especially the work from our Master Creator. An artist uses this inspiration to speak what's in the heart. With the artist speaking their own voice they are never straddling the fence over copyright violation. Thanks for the great discussion. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Sat Jun 21 10:35:38 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:35:38 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] TEST TEST References: <356890.30418.qm@web53510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c8d3ac$134f7830$a305140a@Joe> Trying to iron out some wrinkles in my mail....just testing. Patti Landmann lowvillecarver at yahoo.com ************************************** Hi Patti, Wrinkles seem to be ironed out. Glad to see you are coming to GOW 2008. Thanks from all of us. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carve at whillock.com Sat Jun 21 10:48:35 2008 From: carve at whillock.com (Ivan Whillock) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:48:35 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com><20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com> <485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC> Message-ID: <5951B33393FC44E183E71E645A034DA8@ome> In reading the emails I've come to two firm conclusions: "Everything is original" and "Nothing is original." Some people define original as "different" and argue that no two things are ever alike, even if you try to make them so, thus, EVERYTHING is original. We've had several writers express that point of view. On the other hand, God was the originator of everything, and therefore everything is a copy of something and therefore NOTHING is original. We've had several email writers express that view. It proves one of the curiosities of language: you can frame issues to "prove" opposites. Yes, but . . . Trouble is, the "everything is original" argument doesn't work as a defense when Disney threatens a lawsuit over your carving of Mickey Mouse. Hobbyists might do fine with the everything is original philosophy--until they try to sell. Then they should know that there are rules that don't accept that concept. Nor does the "nothing is original" argument work when artists are trying to protect their right to make a living on their work. "Disney copied God's creation of a mouse, therefore I'm justified in copying Disney." "Every artist copies something" won't work in court either, nor in art shows that demand "original work." New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept of "original work" that would respect the creations of others and would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying. A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the "everything is original" arguments. Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Every detail was the same right down to the pine needles I had carved on the base. Not having deep pockets for attorneys or a stomach for litigation, I let it go. -- Ron Ramsey http://www.carvedbyramsey.com Be sure to look at the incredible nature inspired art jewelry hand fabricated by my wife, Karen Olsen Ramsey. It's worth the time to take a look! http://www.artjeweler.com From bjudt at sasktel.net Sat Jun 21 11:07:39 2008 From: bjudt at sasktel.net (Bill Judt) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:07:39 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws (not just beating a dead horse) In-Reply-To: <004c01c8d3ab$c3faefd0$a305140a@Joe> References: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <485C01E6.9000803@mchsi.com> <004c01c8d3ab$c3faefd0$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: Joe: I believe the quote is incomplete, but the author is right. I remember the quote as " A labourer (notice the English spelling?) works with his hands. A craftsman works with his hands and his mind. And artist works with his hand, his mind and his heart." Anybody able to find the ACTUAL quote, and post it to the list? Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 21-Jun-08, at 8:33 AM, Joe Dillett wrote: I think it was Saint Francis who said that a laborer works with is hands, a craftsman works with is brain and an artist works from their heart. Maybe I'm wrong on who's said it, because most of the time I am, but it puts things in perspective of what we are trying to achieve. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anybody able to find the ACTUAL quote, and post it to the list?Blessings and Peace,BillBill Judt46 Harvard Crescent,Saskatoon, SK, CanadaS7H3R1bjudt at sasktel.net On 21-Jun-08, at 8:33 AM, Joe Dillett wrote:I think it was Saint Francis who said that a laborer works with is hands, a craftsman works with is brain and an artist works from their heart. Maybe I'm wrong on who's said it, because most of the time I am, but it puts things in perspective of what we are trying to achieve. _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Bill Judt wrote: > > Anybody able to find the ACTUAL quote, and post it to the list? > > > Blessings and Peace, > > Bill > > Bill Judt > 46 Harvard Crescent, > Saskatoon, SK, Canada > S7H3R1 > bjudt at sasktel.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jancarves3 at rogers.com Sat Jun 21 11:21:37 2008 From: jancarves3 at rogers.com (Jan Oegema) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:21:37 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com><20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com><485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC> <5951B33393FC44E183E71E645A034DA8@ome> Message-ID: <007301c8d3b2$7ff12a50$763afd63@your27e1513d96> New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept of "original work" that would respect the creations of others and would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying. A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the "everything is original" arguments. Ivan Whillock Studio +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs or caricatures ???? I use several pictures from differend books and mags Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ??? Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramsey" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Maura said: > > "The Walt Disney Corporation is very vigilant about protecting its > copyrights > and does send out agents to see who is infringing the copyrights. " > > Interesting. > > A number of years ago I was approached by Disney World to produce a small > totem pole to sell in one of their gift shops. Not wanting to commit my > life to carving multiples of the same subject, I carved one and had a mold > made and had it cast. after finishing it was virtually indistinguishable > from wood. I sent them one as a sample and never heard back. A year or > so later, I discovered that they had sent my model to China and had it > copied as hand carvings in three different sizes. Every detail was the > same right down to the pine needles I had carved on the base. Not having > deep pockets for attorneys or a stomach for litigation, I let it go. > -- > Ron Ramsey > http://www.carvedbyramsey.com > > > Be sure to look at the incredible nature inspired art jewelry hand > fabricated by my wife, Karen Olsen Ramsey. It's worth the time to take a > look! > http://www.artjeweler.com > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Sat Jun 21 11:50:56 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:50:56 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws (not just beating a dead horse) References: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><485C01E6.9000803@mchsi.com> <004c01c8d3ab$c3faefd0$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: <008801c8d3b6$97e9ce10$a305140a@Joe> Thanks Bill. Awesome ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Judt To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws (not just beating a dead horse) Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joe: I believe the quote is incomplete, but the author is right. I remember the quote as " A labourer (notice the English spelling?) works with his hands. A craftsman works with his hands and his mind. And artist works with his hand, his mind and his heart." Anybody able to find the ACTUAL quote, and post it to the list? Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 21-Jun-08, at 8:33 AM, Joe Dillett wrote: I think it was Saint Francis who said that a laborer works with is hands, a craftsman works with is brain and an artist works from their heart. Maybe I'm wrong on who's said it, because most of the time I am, but it puts things in perspective of what we are trying to achieve. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Sat Jun 21 11:53:40 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:53:40 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com><20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com><485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC><5951B33393FC44E183E71E645A034DA8@ome> <007301c8d3b2$7ff12a50$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Message-ID: <00ab01c8d3b6$f97ce680$a305140a@Joe> Hi Jan, You got two things in your favor. You are extremely large and you live in Canada. hehehe Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Oegema To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept of "original work" that would respect the creations of others and would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying. A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the "everything is original" arguments. Ivan Whillock Studio +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs or caricatures ???? I use several pictures from differend books and mags Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ??? Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Sat Jun 21 12:02:15 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:02:15 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. In-Reply-To: <007501c8d3b6$6c15b650$a305140a@Joe> References: <007501c8d3b6$6c15b650$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: <20080621160218.22CB62903CF@smtp1.av-mx.com> This would be just the kind of thing that Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts would probably LOVE to tackle. There are listings by state at http://www.dwij.org/matrix/vla_list.html, and you can probably find more information through your state Arts Commission. Marcia (aka Mush) At 11:49 AM 6/21/2008, Joe Dillett wrote: >Hi Ron, > >There are attorneys who give very low rates and sometimes free rates >to artists. You can get in touch with such attorneys through art >leagues and clubs. I would think some attorney would love to sink >his teeth in a case like yours. Maybe it's not too late? I wonder if >Denny Crane is available? > >Joe Dillett >The Carving Shop >645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 >Somonauk, IL. 60552 > >(815) 498-9290 phone >(815) 498-9249 fax >http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] >http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] >http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett >****************************************************************** > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramsey" >>Maura said: >> >>"The Walt Disney Corporation is very vigilant about protecting its copyrights >>and does send out agents to see who is infringing the copyrights. " >> >>Interesting. >> >> A number of years ago I was approached by Disney World to produce >> a small totem pole to sell in one of their gift shops. Not >> wanting to commit my life to carving multiples of the same >> subject, I carved one and had a mold made and had it cast. after >> finishing it was virtually indistinguishable from wood. I sent >> them one as a sample and never heard back. A year or so later, I >> discovered that they had sent my model to China and had it copied >> as hand carvings in three different sizes. Every detail was the >> same right down to the pine needles I had carved on the base. Not >> having deep pockets for attorneys or a stomach for litigation, I let it go. >>-- >>Ron Ramsey >>http://www.carvedbyramsey.com See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Sat Jun 21 12:05:25 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:05:25 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws In-Reply-To: <007301c8d3b2$7ff12a50$763afd63@your27e1513d96> References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com> <20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com> <485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC> <5951B33393FC44E183E71E645A034DA8@ome> <007301c8d3b2$7ff12a50$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Message-ID: <20080621160528.4B1CA1BF54C@smtp0.av-mx.com> Most books have some king of caveat or notice as to how many copies of a pattern may be made "for personal use". Technically, once you reproduce that pattern for use in a class or in any situation that involves making a profit from them, it does constitute a violation. Jan, how fast can you run? :) Marcia (aka Mush) At 11:21 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: > New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept > of "original work" that would respect the creations of others and > would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying. > >A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie >somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the "everything is >original" arguments. > > > >Ivan Whillock Studio >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and >teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs >or caricatures ???? >I use several pictures from differend books and mags >Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ??? > Woodbutcher Jan > > >You are invited to check out my website.. > http://www.janscarvingstudio.com > >Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... > >http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher > >http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ > > >http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf >_______________________________________________ >Woodcarver mailing list >Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Sat Jun 21 12:12:58 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws (not just beating a dead horse) In-Reply-To: <004c01c8d3ab$c3faefd0$a305140a@Joe> References: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <485C01E6.9000803@mchsi.com> <004c01c8d3ab$c3faefd0$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: <20080621161301.1C8FE1BF72D@smtp0.av-mx.com> Joe, thank you for bringing the word "inspiration" into the conversation!!! I agree totally with what you said. There is a huge difference between copying and being inspired by something. I think most of us started with books and patterns. The key is to use the techniques we learn from them as a springboard to finding our own style, combining them with our own view of what is around us. LOL I don't think I have ever been so "vocal" on this list in al the years I have been a member. It's a topic worthy of discussion!! Marcia (aka Mush) At 10:33 AM 6/21/2008, Joe Dillett wrote: >[snip] > >Everything around us is inspiration, including the work from other >artists and especially the work from our Master Creator. An artist >uses this inspiration to speak what's in the heart. With the artist >speaking their own voice they are never straddling the fence over >copyright violation. See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Sat Jun 21 12:52:11 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:52:11 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws In-Reply-To: <485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC> References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com> <20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com> <485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC> Message-ID: <20080621165214.74A471BF6D3@smtp0.av-mx.com> John, If you are looking to get "shot down in flames" it won't be by me. I have no idea what Scottish copyright law involves. I see no problem at all in your using the originals. For one thing, they are likely WAYYYY past copyright term, IF (big IF) they ever were copyrighted to begin with. If they are that old, then I think we can safely assume that they were not copyrighted and that there is no real original authorship on record. I am guessing that that is how it is possible to recreate and compile them in book form that would be copyrighted. As for being a professional....well, we all started as beginners!!! Glad to have you among us and I hope you enjoy the journey!! Marcia (aka Mush) At 07:45 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: >Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: >http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > >Marcia, I know I'm going to get shot down in flames for this but I'm >saying this because I believe. >I see copyrighted designs that are based on designs almost 2,000 >years old. Pictish, Celtic whatever. For what its worth I'll use >the originals , the ones carved on stones over much of Scotland, >when and if I choose. Originals? Can any of us in all honest >create an original design? I have my doubts. If a triangle is >used , a circle a zig zag, then the patterns originality - to me- is iffy. > > I recently paid for a book of patterns, only to find they were > not geometrically accurate. When I contacted the author she > advised me that these were only meant as guides and were made > before CAD. I've no problem with that but the time I wasted > blaming myself of an error could have been better spent. >As a beginner I realise others maybe professionals trying to make a >living . In no way am I dismissing the time and skill they need rewarded for. >Rgds >John Archibald >Glenrothes. >Scotland > See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raymighells at verizon.net Sat Jun 21 13:59:32 2008 From: raymighells at verizon.net (Ray Mighells) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:59:32 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws (not just beating a dead horse) References: <200239.86556.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <485C01E6.9000803@mchsi.com> <004c01c8d3ab$c3faefd0$a305140a@Joe> <54945341-DA95-4768-B02C-5E39894E7E32@accn.org> Message-ID: <004f01c8d3c8$9043c6e0$2e01a8c0@raymighells> I think I wrote that in my 7th grade art appreciation class. That was a long time ago, so maybe my memory is tricking me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sally Nye To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws (not just beating a dead horse) Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A man who works with his hands is a laborer; a man who works with his hands and his mind is a craftsman; but a man who works with his hands and his brain and his heart is an artist. (St. Thomas Aquinas) He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist. (St. Francis of Assisi) well, it looks like there are "two" quotes. SOMEONE was copied. Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Bill Judt wrote: Anybody able to find the ACTUAL quote, and post it to the list? Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbpatch at fbx.com Sat Jun 21 21:59:15 2008 From: lbpatch at fbx.com (lbpatch at fbx.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:59:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws In-Reply-To: <20080621160528.4B1CA1BF54C@smtp0.av-mx.com> References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com> <20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com> <485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC> <5951B33393FC44E183E71E645A034DA8@ome> <007301c8d3b2$7ff12a50$763afd63@your27e1513d96> <20080621160528.4B1CA1BF54C@smtp0.av-mx.com> Message-ID: <1138.24.230.101.124.1214099955.squirrel@webmail.fbx.com> > when ever i get done with mi work, I sighn it "carved by and then myname. would that work? Brad Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Most books have some king of caveat or notice as to how many copies > of a pattern may be made "for personal use". Technically, once you > reproduce that pattern for use in a class or in any situation that > involves making a profit from them, it does constitute a violation. > > Jan, how fast can you run? :) > > Marcia (aka Mush) > > At 11:21 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: >> New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept >> of "original work" that would respect the creations of others and >> would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying. >> >>A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie >>somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the "everything is >>original" arguments. >> >> >> >>Ivan Whillock Studio >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and >>teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs >>or caricatures ???? >>I use several pictures from differend books and mags >>Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ??? >> Woodbutcher Jan >> >> >>You are invited to check out my website.. >> http://www.janscarvingstudio.com >> >>Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... >> >>http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher >> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ >> >> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf >>_______________________________________________ >>Woodcarver mailing list >>Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > See Marcia's wood carvings > at: > > http://whittlinsnwood.com > ***** > Affordable Web Page > Design: > http://artwebmaine.com > ***** > > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS > www.getcoffeecup.com _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver From john.archibald at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jun 21 22:08:27 2008 From: john.archibald at blueyonder.co.uk (john archibald) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:08:27 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws References: <485BA4BB.5080909@mchsi.com> <20080620125303.5A7891BF601@smtp0.av-mx.com> <485CE9CB.00000D.03628@DIY-PC> <20080621165214.74A471BF6D3@smtp0.av-mx.com> Message-ID: <485DB41A.000004.03480@DIY-PC> Well Marcia I did get a smacked wrist from the moderator. As a great granddad I feel a bit silly standing in the corner with a Dunce's cap on . My crime? Embarrassing those who sell books with rotten patterns. Still we Scots who prove to be unruly used to be sent to the colonies, Canada is out, maybe New Zealand? Rgds John -------Original Message------- From: Marcia Berkall Date: 21/06/2008 17:52:27 To: \[Woodcarver\] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws John, If you are looking to get "shot down in flames" it won't be by me. I have no idea what Scottish copyright law involves. I see no problem at all in your using the originals. For one thing, they are likely WAYYYY past copyright term, IF (big IF) they ever were copyrighted to begin with. If they are that old, then I think we can safely assume that they were not copyrighted and that there is no real original authorship on record. I am guessing that that is how it is possible to recreate and compile them in book form that would be copyrighted. As for being a professional....well, we all started as beginners!!! Glad to have you among us and I hope you enjoy the journey!! Marcia (aka Mush) At 07:45 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Marcia, I know I'm going to get shot down in flames for this but I'm saying this because I believe. I see copyrighted designs that are based on designs almost 2,000 years old. Pictish, Celtic whatever. For what its worth I'll use the originals , the ones carved on stones over much of Scotland, when and if I choose. Originals? Can any of us in all honest create an original design? I have my doubts. If a triangle is used , a circle a zig zag, then the patterns originality - to me- is iffy. I recently paid for a book of patterns, only to find they were not geometrically accurate. When I contacted the author she advised me that these were only meant as guides and were made before CAD. I've no problem with that but the time I wasted blaming myself of an error could have been better spent. As a beginner I realise others maybe professionals trying to make a living . In no way am I dismissing the time and skill they need rewarded for. Rgds John Archibald Glenrothes. Scotland See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1458 bytes Desc: not available Url : -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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" (Ref: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wci ) 2. "A work that was created (fixed in tangible form for the first time) on or after January 1, 1978, is automatically protected from the moment of its creation and is ordinarily given a term enduring for the author?s life plus an additional 70 years after the author?s death. " (Ref: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hlc )3 For items created prior to January 1, 1978, copyrights, through a series of legislations, were extended to last for a total of 95 years. SO......the concept of Santa is not copyrightable...specific designs of Santa are. I have never seen a Santa playing an African drum, or a violin, riding on a goose, carrying an elephant or dried flowers in a basket, or tangled in lights. They were not taken or in any way based on anyone else's designs..the Santas I carve are my own designs, totally. There is a difference between using the "idea" or "concept" of Santa and copying a specific Santa design. According to copyright law, then, I cannot stop anyone from carving a Santa playing an African Drum....that is just an idea. However, I can take issue with someone copying my design for a Santa playing an African Drum.If you really want to push the matter, you could say that every Santa that anyone carves, draws or in any way depicts, wearing a fur-trimmed red suit is based on the Thomas Nast rendition which has become a commonly accepted "concept" of Santa. However, since Thomas Nast died around 1902, then any copyrights attached to his renditions of Santa have expired. The issue with copyright is a financial one, basically. The problem is with making financial gain from someone else's design...or selling it or derivatives of it. I spend many hours, often months or even years pondering a design, sketching it, resketching it and working up final patterns. Is it fair for someone else to use that design for their own benefit? That is what copyright law is intended to protect.Marcia (aka Mush) At 12:05 AM 6/20/2008, Byron wrote: All laws are subject to interpretation by the courts. That's the way our constitution is written. So no matter how any individual interprets the statutes the courts have the final say. We pay lawyers to search court records to attempt to determine how an individual case is likely to be interpreted. In every case some lawyers are right and some are wrong. Now what do you do about it? How do you deal with possible copyright infringement, that's up to each individual to decide. As for me, I do my own design with computer copies of the my sketches so I have some proof that I created the design. I also avoid something looking like well known icons. From that point on I take my chances. I think that's what most of us do. I wouldn't take a pattern from any publication or rough out, carve it and attempt to sell that carving for several reasons. The biggest one is that somebody else is already doing that. As far as your works go, you didn't invent the characteristics that make your carvings a Santa. Therefore those characteristics were copied from someplace, originally from somebody that had either a registered copyright or an implied copyright. That's why I say from looking at carvings at shows, in publications, and the internet almost all are copied from someplace. Byron Kinnaman abkinnaman at earthlink.net http://byronscabin.kinnamans.net/ See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com*****Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design SoftwareUse this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com _________________________________________________________________ The i?m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.? For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 08:42:03 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws Message-ID: <452126.88440.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Don't feel bad, John, I think you should comment when something isn't right. I provided a forum where people could share misprints and errata from my book. I want to know- and I want them to know- if there are mistakes. First I went through the book with a fine toothed comb looking for the tiniest of errors. I noted every typo and vague direction. Then I asked everyone who had used the book to add their comments/corrections. I haven't gotten much response and I wish there were more comments. Teaching materials should be as near to perfect as possible. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: john archibald > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:08:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > Well Marcia I did get a smacked wrist from the moderator. As a great granddad > I feel a bit silly standing in the corner with a Dunce's cap on . > My crime? Embarrassing those who sell books with rotten patterns. > > Still we Scots who prove to be unruly used to be sent to the colonies, Canada > is out, maybe New Zealand? > Rgds > John > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Marcia Berkall > Date: 21/06/2008 17:52:27 > To: \[Woodcarver\] > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws > John, > > If you are looking to get "shot down in flames" it won't be by me. I have no > idea what Scottish copyright law involves. I see no problem at all in your > using the originals. For one thing, they are likely WAYYYY past copyright term, > IF (big IF) they ever were copyrighted to begin with. If they are that old, > then I think we can safely assume that they were not copyrighted and that there > is no real original authorship on record. I am guessing that that is how it is > possible to recreate and compile them in book form that would be copyrighted. > As for being a professional....well, we all started as beginners!!! Glad to > have you among us and I hope you enjoy the journey!! > Marcia (aka Mush) > > At 07:45 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > Marcia, I know I'm going to get shot down in flames for this but I'm saying this > because I believe. > I see copyrighted designs that are based on designs almost 2,000 years old. > Pictish, Celtic whatever. For what its worth I'll use the originals , the ones > carved on stones over much of Scotland, when and if I choose. Originals? > Can any of us in all honest create an original design? I have my doubts. If a > triangle is used , a circle a zig zag, then the patterns originality - to me- is > iffy. > > I recently paid for a book of patterns, only to find they were not > geometrically accurate. When I contacted the author she advised me that these > were only meant as guides and were made before CAD. I've no problem with that > but the time I wasted blaming myself of an error could have been better spent. > As a beginner I realise others maybe professionals trying to make a living . In > no way am I dismissing the time and skill they need rewarded for. > Rgds > John Archibald > Glenrothes. > Scotland > > See Marcia's wood carvings > at: > > http://whittlinsnwood.com > ***** > Affordable Web Page > Design: > http://artwebmaine.com > ***** > > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS > www.getcoffeecup.com From bjohnson2349 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 11:21:47 2008 From: bjohnson2349 at yahoo.com (Butch JOhnson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws In-Reply-To: <1138.24.230.101.124.1214099955.squirrel@webmail.fbx.com> Message-ID: <598588.40128.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, I am just a whittler from South Louisiana and I use to like reading this group for the wish of getting better with carving. Can we get back to carving and off laws? Butch I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief --- On Sat, 6/21/08, lbpatch at fbx.com wrote: From: lbpatch at fbx.com Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws To: "[Woodcarver]" Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:59 PM Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > when ever i get done with mi work, I sign it "carved by and then myname. would that work? Brad Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Most books have some king of caveat or notice as to how many copies > of a pattern may be made "for personal use". Technically, once you > reproduce that pattern for use in a class or in any situation that > involves making a profit from them, it does constitute a violation. > > Jan, how fast can you run? :) > > Marcia (aka Mush) > > At 11:21 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: >> New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept >> of "original work" that would respect the creations of others and >> would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying. >> >>A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie >>somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the "everything is >>original" arguments. >> >> >> >>Ivan Whillock Studio >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and >>teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs >>or caricatures ???? >>I use several pictures from differend books and mags >>Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ??? >> Woodbutcher Jan >> >> >>You are invited to check out my website.. >> http://www.janscarvingstudio.com >> >>Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... >> >>http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher >> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ >> >> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf >>_______________________________________________ >>Woodcarver mailing list >>Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > See Marcia's wood carvings > at: > > http://whittlinsnwood.com > ***** > Affordable Web Page > Design: > http://artwebmaine.com > ***** > > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS > www.getcoffeecup.com _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larry at workinginwood.net Sun Jun 22 13:59:19 2008 From: larry at workinginwood.net (Larry Robertson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws Message-ID: <175880.32361.qm@web57405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Well said Butch.? I was beginning to wonder if it is even legal to read a carving book.? Love you words of wisdom; couldn't have said it better. ?Larry Robertson http://mycarvingclub.com/Larry_in_Harrow ----- Original Message ---- From: Butch JOhnson To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:21:47 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Folks, I am just a whittler from South Louisiana and I use to like reading this group for the wish of getting better with carving. Can we get back to carving and off laws? Butch I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief --- On Sat, 6/21/08, lbpatch at fbx.com wrote: From: lbpatch at fbx.com Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws To: "[Woodcarver]" Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:59 PM Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > when ever i get done with mi work, I sign it "carved by and then myname. would that work? Brad Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Most books have some king of caveat or notice as to how many copies > of a pattern may be made "for personal use". Technically, once you > reproduce that pattern for use in a class or in any situation that > involves making a profit from them, it does constitute a violation. > > Jan, how fast can you run? :) > > Marcia (aka Mush) > > At 11:21 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: >> New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept >> of "original work" that would respect the creations of others and >> would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying. >> >>A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie >>somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the "everything is >>original" arguments. >> >> >> >>Ivan Whillock Studio >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and >>teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs >>or caricatures ???? >>I use several pictures from differend books and mags >>Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ??? >> Woodbutcher Jan >> >> >>You are invited to check out my website.. >> http://www.janscarvingstudio.com >> >>Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... >> >>http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher >> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ >> >> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf >>_______________________________________________ >>Woodcarver mailing list >>Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > See Marcia's wood carvings > at: > > http://whittlinsnwood.com > ***** > Affordable Web Page > Design: > http://artwebmaine.com > ***** > > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS > www.getcoffeecup.com _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six..pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Sun Jun 22 15:59:59 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:59:59 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Sunday Woodcarver Chat Message-ID: <20080622200001.1177B1BF717@smtp0.av-mx.com> Join in on the fun!!! For informative and fun REAL TIME conversations with a number of the carvers on "The List", come to the Woodcarver chats. We don't always talk about carving, but if anyone has a question or comment, we can get serious in a hurry. Get to know the people behind the names. And bring you carving questions with you!!! We meet on Wednesday nights at 9:30 PM Eastern and on Sundays at 4:30 PM Eastern. If you are NOT using an IRC chat program, I think you will like these simplified instructions!!! Just click on one of the links below...either will take you directly to #Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_williamslake.html?chan=#Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_stopover.html?chan=#woodcarverchat This may take a LONG time to load!!!!!!! Don't give up. When it finally does load, you will be asked to type in a nickname.....then click connect, and wait a little bit longer. The chat screen will open. Type something in the narrow horizontal space just below the chat screen and hit you enter key. Nothing to it! :) If you are using WebTV or still have trouble getting there, one of these links will work...we just save them as a last resort in case all other links don't work: http://63.79.14.90/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://cobra-ip1.vipershells.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://stopover.ky.us.starlink-irc.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi (This one will have the fastest connection) Type in a nickname where it says"nickname"i Where is says, "channel", type in #woodcarverchat (don't forget the #). ******* If you are using an mIRC chat program: 1. Log onto your ISP. 2. Open mIRC. You should see a box "mIRC Options". If you don't then click on View then on "Options" Fill in the information there...you do NOT have to put in your real name or email address. For security purposes, make them up. Do put in the nickname you want and an alternative. 4. Click on the button with the sunburst icon, just to the right of the button that says, "Connect to Server". Where it says "IRC Network", scroll down until you see "Starlink-IRC" and highlight that so it shows in the window. There is also a Starlink network, so make sure that the one you select has the "IRC" after it. Now click on the arrow next to the IRC server window. That will list a number of Starlink-IRC servers....select one of them. The Starlink-IRC random server will automatically pick one of the servers for you, so you can use that one. With one of the Starlink-IRC servers in the window, click on "Connect to Server" If the Starlink Random Server is not in your mirc program you can add it: Click the "add" button. Where it says "Description" type "Starlink Random Server" Where it says "IRC Server" type IRC.STARLINK-IRC.ORG Port should be 6664,6665,6666,6667,6668,6669 (all of those with no spaces between them) and "Group" is Starlink-IRC 5. Once connected, you'll see lots of scrolling text. When that stops, type /join #Woodcarverchat in the window at the bottom and hit your "enter" key. (you need the / and #, and Woodcarverchat must be spelled exactly right) I have put these instructions on a web page with direct links at http://artwebmaine.com/woodcarverchat.html You may want to bookmark it. ******* See you there! E-mail me off the list for additional information and instructions. Marcia Berkall whitwood at fairpoint.net See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redcougar at mchsi.com Sun Jun 22 16:12:37 2008 From: redcougar at mchsi.com (larry) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:12:37 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] question Message-ID: <485EB235.1070908@mchsi.com> Ask the question and ye shall receive. From charlestrella at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 17:02:28 2008 From: charlestrella at hotmail.com (Charles Trella) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:02:28 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Butch wrote: "Folks, I am just a whittler from South Louisiana and I use to like reading this group for the wish of getting better with carving. Can we get back to carving and off laws?" With all respect Butch - this IS an on topic discussion for those who wish to be involved with carving beyond just whittling. Perhaps it has gone on a trifle longer than some other discussions of late . . . any for that matter. But I see nothing wrong with that. Why is it that some feel the need to try to squash an on topic discussion that they have no interest in? Use the delete key or better yet . . . start a topic more to your interest. Not trying to start a flame war here, but I get soooo tired of people trying to kill threads that THEY see as irrelevant when so many have obviously found it enlightening and VERY relevant. ChuckT > From: woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net> Subject: Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1> To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:01:58 -0400> > Send Woodcarver mailing list submissions to> woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net> > You can reach the person managing the list at> woodcarver-owner at six.pairlist.net> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Woodcarver digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: copyright laws (Donna Menke)> 2. Re: copyright laws (Butch JOhnson)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:42:03 -0700 (PDT)> From: Donna Menke > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> To: "\[Woodcarver\]" > Message-ID: <452126.88440.qm at web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > Don't feel bad, John, I think you should comment when something isn't right. I provided a forum where people could share misprints and errata from my book. I want to know- and I want them to know- if there are mistakes. First I went through the book with a fine toothed comb looking for the tiniest of errors. I noted every typo and vague direction. Then I asked everyone who had used the book to add their comments/corrections. I haven't gotten much response and I wish there were more comments. > > Teaching materials should be as near to perfect as possible. Donna Menke> http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com > Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book> > > ----- Original Message ----> > From: john archibald > > To: [Woodcarver] > > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:08:27 PM> > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html> > > > > > Well Marcia I did get a smacked wrist from the moderator. As a great granddad > > I feel a bit silly standing in the corner with a Dunce's cap on .> > My crime? Embarrassing those who sell books with rotten patterns.> > > > Still we Scots who prove to be unruly used to be sent to the colonies, Canada > > is out, maybe New Zealand?> > Rgds> > John> > > > -------Original Message-------> > > > From: Marcia Berkall> > Date: 21/06/2008 17:52:27> > To: \[Woodcarver\]> > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> > John,> > > > If you are looking to get "shot down in flames" it won't be by me. I have no > > idea what Scottish copyright law involves. I see no problem at all in your > > using the originals. For one thing, they are likely WAYYYY past copyright term, > > IF (big IF) they ever were copyrighted to begin with. If they are that old, > > then I think we can safely assume that they were not copyrighted and that there > > is no real original authorship on record. I am guessing that that is how it is > > possible to recreate and compile them in book form that would be copyrighted. > > As for being a professional....well, we all started as beginners!!! Glad to > > have you among us and I hope you enjoy the journey!!> > Marcia (aka Mush)> > > > At 07:45 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote:> > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html> > > > > > Marcia, I know I'm going to get shot down in flames for this but I'm saying this > > because I believe. > > I see copyrighted designs that are based on designs almost 2,000 years old. > > Pictish, Celtic whatever. For what its worth I'll use the originals , the ones > > carved on stones over much of Scotland, when and if I choose. Originals? > > Can any of us in all honest create an original design? I have my doubts. If a > > triangle is used , a circle a zig zag, then the patterns originality - to me- is > > iffy. > > > > I recently paid for a book of patterns, only to find they were not > > geometrically accurate. When I contacted the author she advised me that these > > were only meant as guides and were made before CAD. I've no problem with that > > but the time I wasted blaming myself of an error could have been better spent.> > As a beginner I realise others maybe professionals trying to make a living . In > > no way am I dismissing the time and skill they need rewarded for.> > Rgds> > John Archibald> > Glenrothes.> > Scotland> > > > See Marcia's wood carvings > > at: > > > > http://whittlinsnwood.com> > *****> > Affordable Web Page > > Design: > > http://artwebmaine.com > > ***** > > > > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software> > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS > > www.getcoffeecup.com > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT)> From: Butch JOhnson > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> To: "\[Woodcarver\]" > Message-ID: <598588.40128.qm at web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Folks, I am just a whittler from South Louisiana and I use to like reading this group for the wish of getting better with carving. Can we get back to carving and off laws?> Butch > > > I would rather have a mind opened > by wonder than one closed by belief> > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, lbpatch at fbx.com wrote:> > From: lbpatch at fbx.com > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> To: "[Woodcarver]" > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:59 PM> > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation:> http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html> > > when ever i get done with mi work, I sign it "carved by and then> myname. would that work?> > Brad> > > > > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation:> > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html> >> > Most books have some king of caveat or notice as to how many copies> > of a pattern may be made "for personal use". Technically, once> you> > reproduce that pattern for use in a class or in any situation that> > involves making a profit from them, it does constitute a violation.> >> > Jan, how fast can you run? :)> >> > Marcia (aka Mush)> >> > At 11:21 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote:> >> New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept> >> of "original work" that would respect the creations of> others and> >> would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying.> >>> >>A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie> >>somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the> "everything is> >>original" arguments.> >>> >>> >>> >>Ivan Whillock Studio> >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> >>So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and> >>teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs> >>or caricatures ????> >>I use several pictures from differend books and mags> >>Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ???> >> Woodbutcher Jan> >>> >>> >>You are invited to check out my website..> >> > http://www.janscarvingstudio.com> >>> >>Also take a look at my picture trail albums ...> >>> >>http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher> >>> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/> >>> >>> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf> >>_______________________________________________> >>Woodcarver mailing list> >>Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> >> > See Marcia's wood carvings> > at:> >> > http://whittlinsnwood.com> > *****> > Affordable Web Page> > Design:> > http://artwebmaine.com> > *****> >> > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software> > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS> > www.getcoffeecup.com _______________________________________________> > Woodcarver mailing list> > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> > > _______________________________________________> Woodcarver mailing list> Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> > > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Woodcarver mailing list> Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> > End of Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1> ******************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jdeuell at reinbeck.net Sun Jun 22 21:57:45 2008 From: jdeuell at reinbeck.net (Jack) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1 References: Message-ID: <008401c8d4d4$881c2400$6401a8c0@JackD> ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Trella To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1 Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Good idea Butch, I don't know of a subject that could be brought up and it wouldn't be subject to some laws. We have a lot of experts on the list. Some are experts on any subject you could think of. Lawyers can't agree or don't want to because they would rather do a lot of research and bring threre so called expertise to court. Some people don't make any money on there vast knowledge.. they just want to appear like they know it all. There are some exceptions to this of course. I believe Ivan and Joe perhaps a few others sincerly attempt to help any of us sincerley. If you can't get satisfactory answers from a couple of knowledgeable People It would be my thoughts you contact a lawyer. respectfuly Jack Butch wrote: "Folks, I am just a whittler from South Louisiana and I use to like reading this group for the wish of getting better with carving. Can we get back to carving and off laws?" With all respect Butch - this IS an on topic discussion for those who wish to be involved with carving beyond just whittling. Perhaps it has gone on a trifle longer than some other discussions of late . . . any for that matter. But I see nothing wrong with that. Why is it that some feel the need to try to squash an on topic discussion that they have no interest in? Use the delete key or better yet . . . start a topic more to your interest. Not trying to start a flame war here, but I get soooo tired of people trying to kill threads that THEY see as irrelevant when so many have obviously found it enlightening and VERY relevant. ChuckT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1 > To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:01:58 -0400 > > Send Woodcarver mailing list submissions to > woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > woodcarver-owner at six.pairlist.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Woodcarver digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: copyright laws (Donna Menke) > 2. Re: copyright laws (Butch JOhnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:42:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donna Menke > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws > To: "\[Woodcarver\]" > Message-ID: <452126.88440.qm at web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Don't feel bad, John, I think you should comment when something isn't right. I provided a forum where people could share misprints and errata from my book. I want to know- and I want them to know- if there are mistakes. First I went through the book with a fine toothed comb looking for the tiniest of errors. I noted every typo and vague direction. Then I asked everyone who had used the book to add their comments/corrections. I haven't gotten much response and I wish there were more comments. > > Teaching materials should be as near to perfect as possible. Donna Menke > http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com > Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: john archibald > > To: [Woodcarver] > > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:08:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws > > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > > > Well Marcia I did get a smacked wrist from the moderator. As a great granddad > > I feel a bit silly standing in the corner with a Dunce's cap on . > > My crime? Embarrassing those who sell books with rotten patterns. > > > > Still we Scots who prove to be unruly used to be sent to the colonies, Canada > > is out, maybe New Zealand? > > Rgds > > John > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Marcia Berkall > > Date: 21/06/2008 17:52:27 > > To: \[Woodcarver\] > > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws > > John, > > > > If you are looking to get "shot down in flames" it won't be by me. I have no > > idea what Scottish copyright law involves. I see no problem at all in your > > using the originals. For one thing, they are likely WAYYYY past copyright term, > > IF (big IF) they ever were copyrighted to begin with. If they are that old, > > then I think we can safely assume that they were not copyrighted and that there > > is no real original authorship on record. I am guessing that that is how it is > > possible to recreate and compile them in book form that would be copyrighted. > > As for being a professional....well, we all started as beginners!!! Glad to > > have you among us and I hope you enjoy the journey!! > > Marcia (aka Mush) > > > > At 07:45 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: > > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > > > Marcia, I know I'm going to get shot down in flames for this but I'm saying this > > because I believe. > > I see copyrighted designs that are based on designs almost 2,000 years old. > > Pictish, Celtic whatever. For what its worth I'll use the originals , the ones > > carved on stones over much of Scotland, when and if I choose. Originals? > > Can any of us in all honest create an original design? I have my doubts. If a > > triangle is used , a circle a zig zag, then the patterns originality - to me- is > > iffy. > > > > I recently paid for a book of patterns, only to find they were not > > geometrically accurate. When I contacted the author she advised me that these > > were only meant as guides and were made before CAD. I've no problem with that > > but the time I wasted blaming myself of an error could have been better spent. > > As a beginner I realise others maybe professionals trying to make a living . In > > no way am I dismissing the time and skill they need rewarded for. > > Rgds > > John Archibald > > Glenrothes. > > Scotland > > > > See Marcia's wood carvings > > at: > > > > http://whittlinsnwood.com > > ***** > > Affordable Web Page > > Design: > > http://artwebmaine.com > > ***** > > > > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software > > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS > > www.getcoffeecup.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Butch JOhnson > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws > To: "\[Woodcarver\]" > Message-ID: <598588.40128.qm at web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Folks, I am just a whittler from South Louisiana and I use to like reading this group for the wish of getting better with carving. Can we get back to carving and off laws? > Butch > > > I would rather have a mind opened > by wonder than one closed by belief > > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, lbpatch at fbx.com wrote: > > From: lbpatch at fbx.com > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws > To: "[Woodcarver]" > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:59 PM > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > when ever i get done with mi work, I sign it "carved by and then > myname. would that work? > > Brad > > > > > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > Most books have some king of caveat or notice as to how many copies > > of a pattern may be made "for personal use". Technically, once > you > > reproduce that pattern for use in a class or in any situation that > > involves making a profit from them, it does constitute a violation. > > > > Jan, how fast can you run? :) > > > > Marcia (aka Mush) > > > > At 11:21 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote: > >> New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept > >> of "original work" that would respect the creations of > others and > >> would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying. > >> > >>A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie > >>somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the > "everything is > >>original" arguments. > >> > >> > >> > >>Ivan Whillock Studio > >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and > >>teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs > >>or caricatures ???? > >>I use several pictures from differend books and mags > >>Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ??? > >> Woodbutcher Jan > >> > >> > >>You are invited to check out my website.. > >> > http://www.janscarvingstudio.com > >> > >>Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... > >> > >>http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher > >> > >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ > >> > >> > >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Woodcarver mailing list > >>Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > > > See Marcia's wood carvings > > at: > > > > http://whittlinsnwood.com > > ***** > > Affordable Web Page > > Design: > > http://artwebmaine.com > > ***** > > > > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software > > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS > > www.getcoffeecup.com _______________________________________________ > > Woodcarver mailing list > > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > End of Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1 > ******************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Matt *********************************************** Matt Kelley: Woodcarver, E-zine Editor, W3E Coordinator Woodcarver Online Magazine, W3Exchange Programs, Carver Resource Files at: http://carverscompanion.com Carving Shirts & Gear at: http://carverscompanion.com/cclogostuff/logostuff.html CelticCarver WoodWorks: http://celtcarver.com From carve at whillock.com Mon Jun 23 08:43:00 2008 From: carve at whillock.com (Ivan Whillock) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:43:00 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright laws References: <598588.40128.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7888AAFCB0684B4FABCAC4F91EAAF5F9@ome> Apologies, guys, but to carvers venturing into selling, this thread can be very important. Years ago, had I been privy to the thread that just took place, I might have been saved some grief and embarrassment. Unfortunately, I was not given such a "heads up" on copyrights and thus we used some pictures in a cut and paste catalog that we just assumed were OK to use. They weren't. We got sued. So, whenever someone talks of going into carving on a commercial level, I urge them to get acquainted with the copyright laws. Lawsuits may happen rarely, but they DO happen. Holders of copyrights have the right to protect their property, and so anyone who sells creations that are based on other people's materials should understand that it could have ramifications. Back then, had we been more aware of copyright law we could have avoided some grief and ill will. Thus, whenever I can, I encourage anyone who wants to sell to become informed to avoid those types of problems. My advice comes from "been there!" Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Patti Landmann lowvillecarver at yahoo.com? ?http://www.picturetrail.com/lowvillecarver.............for carvings, family and more http://lagrandmama.blogspot.com/...........for my Grandma experiences http://picasaweb.google.com/lowvillecarver...........for Bird, Deer & Flower Photos from our house http://www.centuryinter.net/treasures/.........for my old dated web site,still good stuff: --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Larry Robertson wrote: From: Larry Robertson Subject: [Woodcarver] Test To: "Woodcarver List" Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 8:03 AM Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html_______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Checking the archives will let you know if others received your posts.?? Patti Landmann lowvillecarver at yahoo.com? ? http://www.picturetrail.com/lowvillecarver.............for carvings, family and more http://lagrandmama.blogspot.com/...........for my Grandma experiences http://picasaweb.google.com/lowvillecarver...........for Bird, Deer & Flower Photos from our house http://www.centuryinter.net/treasures/..........for my old dated web site,still good stuff: --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Larry Robertson wrote: From: Larry Robertson Subject: [Woodcarver] Test To: "Woodcarver List" Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 8:03 AM Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Mon Jun 23 09:51:49 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:51:49 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend References: <598588.40128.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7888AAFCB0684B4FABCAC4F91EAAF5F9@ome> Message-ID: <003b01c8d538$48c034e0$a305140a@Joe> Hi Ivan, Thanks for your valuable contribution on the Copyright thread. Do you plan on being at the Congress this weekend? Sharon and I are coming on Friday evening and staying until Sunday. I sure would be great to meet up with you and your family. We hope to see many of our friends and make some new friends. We're counting our pennies in hopes of picking up a few pieces for the museum. I've seen a few of the pieces that will be entered this year. As usual this show will blow the doors off again. Larry (Big Dog) and Miss Carol do a great job putting together one of the best shows in the country. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Woodcarvr at aol.com Mon Jun 23 10:09:25 2008 From: Woodcarvr at aol.com (Woodcarvr at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:09:25 EDT Subject: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend Message-ID: I will also be going to the Congress. I will be there tomorrow through Saturday. I was just wondering who else from this wonderful list will be going? There are a lot of names here that I have become very familiar with over the internet. I would really like the chance to place faces with names. I will be in the Mike Shipley class Wednesday through Friday. Anyone else out there that would like to let there whereabouts be known? 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URL: From bjudt at sasktel.net Mon Jun 23 12:32:39 2008 From: bjudt at sasktel.net (Bill Judt) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] Flakey Spam filters... In-Reply-To: <11224355.1214234460191.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11224355.1214234460191.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <032F28F1-F5C4-4959-99ED-E472CC40C040@sasktel.net> Byron: Thanks for the information. Patti and I have been trying to figure out what's happening with her "posts". Now we have a new lead to follow... er, correction... Patti has a new lead to follow Blessings and Peace, Bill List Owner Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 23-Jun-08, at 9:20 AM, Byron wrote: I believe it's the way some Spam filters work. Email addresses are spoofed all the time. Some of the free email addresses are more prone to abuse than email address provided by your isp. To avoid many problems I never use Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoomail, or the like. Also some places block anything from them. Byron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjudt at sasktel.net Mon Jun 23 13:01:53 2008 From: bjudt at sasktel.net (Bill Judt) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:01:53 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] A poor copy that is original... In-Reply-To: <7888AAFCB0684B4FABCAC4F91EAAF5F9@ome> References: <598588.40128.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7888AAFCB0684B4FABCAC4F91EAAF5F9@ome> Message-ID: Ivan: Thank you for sharing your experience. You have a way with words and a gift of kindness. I don't think there is a carver around who has not considered the possibility of copyright infringement for some reason or another. My fears of being sued ended when I started using totally original resources for all my carvings. By this I mean photos that came from my camera, drawings that came from my hand. I was simply so frustrated with using the photos and resources of others with the constant worry and nagging conscience that accompanies it. Even if copyright infringement was not an issue in a particular design, finding a suitable carving/photo resource in the library or on the internet was so frustrating, time consuming and unprofitable that it was easier to take the time to take my own photos and draw my own patterns. I might sound like a broken record, but allow me to repeat a previous posting or two with the following: Admittedly, not everyone can learn to draw, but those with enough aptitude would do well to extend their drawing skills so they depend less on the work of others. Digital photography is one of the best tools for those who wish to begin creating their own patterns. Digital photos (enlarged on a color photocopier) coupled with a light table (even a window) allow you can trace most anything and end up with an accurate line drawing. From there you can compose your carving pattern. I train my students likewise to use all original resources in their relief carving. So they bring photos and other resources into the studio which we then use to build an original design. If you wish to see some of the results, go to: http://wwwoodcarver.com/StudentCarvings/index.html Of course, if you do not intend to SELL your carvings, the issue of copyright infringement fades away. But even if that is the case, a poor carving that is original is still better than a great carving that is a copy. Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net Apologies, guys, but to carvers venturing into selling, this thread can be very important. Years ago, had I been privy to the thread that just took place, I might have been saved some grief and embarrassment. Unfortunately, I was not given such a "heads up" on copyrights and thus we used some pictures in a cut and paste catalog that we just assumed were OK to use. They weren't. We got sued. So, whenever someone talks of going into carving on a commercial level, I urge them to get acquainted with the copyright laws. Lawsuits may happen rarely, but they DO happen. Holders of copyrights have the right to protect their property, and so anyone who sells creations that are based on other people's materials should understand that it could have ramifications. Back then, had we been more aware of copyright law we could have avoided some grief and ill will. Thus, whenever I can, I encourage anyone who wants to sell to become informed to avoid those types of problems. My advice comes from "been there!" Ivan Whillock Studio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve From: Joe Dillett Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:51 AM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Ivan, Thanks for your valuable contribution on the Copyright thread. Do you plan on being at the Congress this weekend? Sharon and I are coming on Friday evening and staying until Sunday. I sure would be great to meet up with you and your family. We hope to see many of our friends and make some new friends. We're counting our pennies in hopes of picking up a few pieces for the museum. I've seen a few of the pieces that will be entered this year. As usual this show will blow the doors off again. Larry (Big Dog) and Miss Carol do a great job putting together one of the best shows in the country. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdillett at thecarvingshop.net Mon Jun 23 17:24:07 2008 From: jdillett at thecarvingshop.net (Joe Dillett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:24:07 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend References: <598588.40128.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com><7888AAFCB0684B4FABCAC4F91EAAF5F9@ome><003b01c8d538$48c034e0$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: <00ce01c8d577$7857e5b0$a305140a@Joe> Hi Ivan, I'm hoping the Carving Magazine party, Friday evening, will be at the Ramada Inn. If not, please let us know where it will be. Sharon and I are looking forward to seeing all of you there. Woopeeeeeee!!!! Please let me know if you need any help with the party... Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Whillock To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks, Joe, Jim, I hear Carving Magazine/Whillock Woodcarving may be throwing a party Friday night as before. Chris says plans are in the works. If it's as wild as previous ones . . .a party guy like you shouldn't miss it. Hope to meet you, Jim, Ol Don, Sandie and other "Listers" who might be there. Wear a big "L" on your hat (Grin). Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve From: Joe Dillett Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:51 AM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Ivan, Thanks for your valuable contribution on the Copyright thread. Do you plan on being at the Congress this weekend? Sharon and I are coming on Friday evening and staying until Sunday. I sure would be great to meet up with you and your family. We hope to see many of our friends and make some new friends. We're counting our pennies in hopes of picking up a few pieces for the museum. I've seen a few of the pieces that will be entered this year. As usual this show will blow the doors off again. Larry (Big Dog) and Miss Carol do a great job putting together one of the best shows in the country. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cj at stubaidirect.com Mon Jun 23 18:57:49 2008 From: cj at stubaidirect.com (Chris) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:57:49 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend In-Reply-To: <00ce01c8d577$7857e5b0$a305140a@Joe> References: <598588.40128.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com><7888AAFCB0684B4FABCAC4F91EAAF5F9@ome><003b01c8d538$48c034e0$a305140a@Joe> <00ce01c8d577$7857e5b0$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: <3EF66C9F-13AE-4878-AFB6-0C9171D5C7F4@stubaidirect.com> Hello, Yes .... the Carving Magazine party will be at the Ramada Inn again! Everyone is invited. Free refreshments and last year the Woodcarving Illustrated folks brought the rest of the ice cream (from their social) and joined us .... a good time was had by all. Joe, I'd love to have your help with the party. Ivan and I will be there and may need to leave around 10pm .... not sure how late it goes .... Readers, columnists ... all carvers ... please join us at the Ramada Inn Party room for the Cocktail Party. I'll have details, times, specific room info later ... Thanks, Chris Whillock On Jun 23, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Joe Dillett wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Hi Ivan, > > I'm hoping the Carving Magazine party, Friday evening, will be at > the Ramada Inn. If not, please let us know where it will be. Sharon > and I are looking forward to seeing all of you there. Woopeeeeeee!!!! > > Please let me know if you need any help with the party... > > Joe Dillett > The Carving Shop > 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 > Somonauk, IL. 60552 > > (815) 498-9290 phone > (815) 498-9249 fax > http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] > http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] > http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett > ****************************************************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ivan Whillock > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > Thanks, Joe, Jim, > > I hear Carving Magazine/Whillock Woodcarving may be throwing a > party Friday night as before. Chris says plans are in the works. > > If it's as wild as previous ones . . .a party guy like you > shouldn't miss it. > > Hope to meet you, Jim, Ol Don, Sandie and other "Listers" who might > be there. > > Wear a big "L" on your hat (Grin). > > > Ivan Whillock Studio > 122 NE 1st Avenue > Faribault, MN 55021 > Visit my website at > http://www.whillock.com > Visit my Picture Trail album at > http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve > From: Joe Dillett > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:51 AM > To: [Woodcarver] > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > Hi Ivan, > > Thanks for your valuable contribution on the Copyright thread. > > Do you plan on being at the Congress this weekend? Sharon and I are > coming on Friday evening and staying until Sunday. I sure would be > great to meet up with you and your family. We hope to see many of > our friends and make some new friends. We're counting our pennies > in hopes of picking up a few pieces for the museum. > > I've seen a few of the pieces that will be entered this year. As > usual this show will blow the doors off again. Larry (Big Dog) and > Miss Carol do a great job putting together one of the best shows in > the country. > > Joe Dillett > The Carving Shop > 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 > Somonauk, IL. 60552 > > (815) 498-9290 phone > (815) 498-9249 fax > http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] > http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] > http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett > ****************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver Chris cj at stubaidirect.com www.StubaiDirect.com US Distributor for Stubai Woodcarving Tools 507-446-0752 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cj at stubaidirect.com Tue Jun 24 11:29:42 2008 From: cj at stubaidirect.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend In-Reply-To: References: <598588.40128.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com><7888AAFCB0684B4FABCAC4F91EAAF5F9@ome> <003b01c8d538$48c034e0$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: <2DA2B36F-1004-43B8-9636-A0D3E47D373E@stubaidirect.com> All Woodcarvers (& Friends) Are Invited!!!!! ----------------------------------------- Carving Magazine Cocktail Party @ Congress (Bettendorf, IA) Friday, June 27th (This Friday) 7pm till ???? Free beverages/snacks while they last Join us for some fun ... meet some of your favorite columnists ... Executive Room Ramada Inn 3020 Utica Ridge Road Bettendorf, IA 52722 (563) 355-7575 Questions: Chris editors at carvingmagazine.com cell - 507-339-0336 From lorenwoodard at charter.net Tue Jun 24 22:35:30 2008 From: lorenwoodard at charter.net (Loren Woodard) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend In-Reply-To: <00ce01c8d577$7857e5b0$a305140a@Joe> References: <598588.40128.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com><7888AAFCB0684B4FABCAC4F91EAAF5F9@ome><003b01c8d538$48c034e0$a305140a@Joe> <00ce01c8d577$7857e5b0$a305140a@Joe> Message-ID: <000501c8d66c$2298cb30$0301a8c0@YOUR4556B190FD> Joe: You sound like a party animal!! :-) Loren _____ From: woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net [mailto:woodcarver-bounces at six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Joe Dillett Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:24 PM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Congress this weekend Hi Ivan, I'm hoping the Carving Magazine party, Friday evening, will be at the Ramada Inn. If not, please let us know where it will be. Sharon and I are looking forward to seeing all of you there. Woopeeeeeee!!!! Please let me know if you need any help with the party... Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett fo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our vision is an instructional museum educating people with good examples of all different types of carvings. Sharon is the director and desides what goes into the museum. The woodspirit you carved, into one of my chips, didn't make the cut so it will remain in my shop as a wonderful memory of the class we took together at Ivan's. We'll be there from about 3 PM Friday to Sunday afternoon. Hope to see many of you there. Joe Dillett The Carving Shop 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitwood at fairpoint.net Wed Jun 25 10:53:05 2008 From: whitwood at fairpoint.net (Marcia Berkall) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:53:05 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] Wednesday Woodcarver Chat Message-ID: <20080625145308.CC28A290469@smtp1.av-mx.com> Join in on the fun!!! For informative and fun REAL TIME conversations with a number of the carvers on "The List", come to the Woodcarver chats. We don't always talk about carving, but if anyone has a question or comment, we can get serious in a hurry. Get to know the people behind the names. And bring you carving questions with you!!! We meet on Wednesday nights at 9:30 PM Eastern and on Sundays at 4:30 PM Eastern. If you are NOT using an IRC chat program, I think you will like these simplified instructions!!! Just click on one of the links below...either will take you directly to #Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_williamslake.html?chan=#Woodcarverchat http://www.starlink-irc.org/java/java_stopover.html?chan=#woodcarverchat This may take a LONG time to load!!!!!!! Don't give up. When it finally does load, you will be asked to type in a nickname.....then click connect, and wait a little bit longer. The chat screen will open. Type something in the narrow horizontal space just below the chat screen and hit you enter key. Nothing to it! :) If you are using WebTV or still have trouble getting there, one of these links will work...we just save them as a last resort in case all other links don't work: http://63.79.14.90/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://cobra-ip1.vipershells.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi http://stopover.ky.us.starlink-irc.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi (This one will have the fastest connection) Type in a nickname where it says"nickname"i Where is says, "channel", type in #woodcarverchat (don't forget the #). ******* If you are using an mIRC chat program: 1. Log onto your ISP. 2. Open mIRC. You should see a box "mIRC Options". If you don't then click on View then on "Options" Fill in the information there...you do NOT have to put in your real name or email address. For security purposes, make them up. Do put in the nickname you want and an alternative. 4. Click on the button with the sunburst icon, just to the right of the button that says, "Connect to Server". Where it says "IRC Network", scroll down until you see "Starlink-IRC" and highlight that so it shows in the window. There is also a Starlink network, so make sure that the one you select has the "IRC" after it. Now click on the arrow next to the IRC server window. That will list a number of Starlink-IRC servers....select one of them. The Starlink-IRC random server will automatically pick one of the servers for you, so you can use that one. With one of the Starlink-IRC servers in the window, click on "Connect to Server" If the Starlink Random Server is not in your mirc program you can add it: Click the "add" button. Where it says "Description" type "Starlink Random Server" Where it says "IRC Server" type IRC.STARLINK-IRC.ORG Port should be 6664,6665,6666,6667,6668,6669 (all of those with no spaces between them) and "Group" is Starlink-IRC 5. Once connected, you'll see lots of scrolling text. When that stops, type /join #Woodcarverchat in the window at the bottom and hit your "enter" key. (you need the / and #, and Woodcarverchat must be spelled exactly right) I have put these instructions on a web page with direct links at http://artwebmaine.com/woodcarverchat.html You may want to bookmark it. ******* See you there! E-mail me off the list for additional information and instructions. Marcia Berkall whitwood at fairpoint.net See Marcia's wood carvings at: http://whittlinsnwood.com ***** Affordable Web Page Design: http://artwebmaine.com ***** Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software Use this code when you checkout: 226STS www.getcoffeecup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LaSalle St. Suite 3 Somonauk, IL. 60552 (815) 498-9290 phone (815) 498-9249 fax http://www.thecarvingshop.net [business web site] http://www.carvingmagazine.com ['Ask Joe' column] http://community.webshots.com/user/joe_dillett ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Doud To: Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: [Woodcarver] New to list of woodcarvers Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello Everyone, I believe this is the week everyone is at Congress and I know you will have a lot to email each other about when you get back. I just wanted to get a couple of words in if I may. I am a relatively new woodcarver. I first started about 15 years ago, but have done very little carving. I also do the pyrography. I have tried to upload a picture of my pyrography to the Woodcarver web site. It hasn't allowed me to because, the site says I have been denied access. The picture is the correct size and I submitted my information but have not received a password in my email. I just wanted to show someone who is experienced some of my work, carving and/or pyrography, and see what you think about it. Any info would be helpful. Thanks in advance. doudc at sbcglobal.net Cathy Doud ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just believe I have figured it out. Everyone is at the CONGRESS. Enjoy your self. It is a wonderful place to be. Jack Joe: You sound like a party animal!! J Loren *************************** Hi Loren, I hope so because live is a party and we were made to live it. Sharon and I are excited about going to the Congress this year. This is the first year in over 10 years that we don't have a conflect with singing. Our mission, besides having fun, is to begin purchasing carvings for our museum (which will take about a year to open). How much fun is that??? Our vision is an instructional museum educating people with good examples of all different types of carvings. Sharon is the director and desides what goes into the museum. The woodspirit you carved, into one of my chips, didn't make the cut so it will remain in my shop as a wonderful memory of the class we took together at Ivan's. We'll be there from about 3 PM Friday to Sunday afternoon. Hope to see many of you there. 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URL: From carve at whillock.com Sat Jun 28 16:20:44 2008 From: carve at whillock.com (Ivan Whillock) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:20:44 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] I.ve been away (1 week) References: <000801c8d931$3ee02140$763afd63@your27e1513d96> Message-ID: <05A00CB6B5C54BA2BED0D2BBEFB883B2@ome> Jan, I can ditto Bill's remarks. It's a compliment to have teachers refer to a book I wrote to share techniques with their students. The only negative that I (and other authors I've spoken to) have noticed, is when a teacher photocopies patterns or sections from the book and hands them out. That practice is a bit discouraging because it reduces the likelihood their students would add the book to their library, and most of us write books hoping to SELL them (chuckle)! I'm not a lawyer, haven't even played one on TV, but copyright law, as I understand it, allows "fair use" for nonprofit educational purposes. Carving teachers who charge for their classes probably wouldn't be under the fair use provision, so teachers making photocopies from a book for their students is probably illegal. I'm just postulating here, as fair use contains a lot of interpretations that I haven't fully delved into, as I would rather carve. My own rules of thumb: PRIME PRINCIPLE: the authors are my friends. I've met many of them, and communicated with most of the others. Carving is a small community that thrives on mutual support. I show books that are pertinent and encourage my students to add to them their libraries. I would never photocopy sections or patterns of a book the student has not purchased. I've explained the reasons to my students (and customers) and they generally understand once they hear why. If I were to photocopy a pattern from Bill's book, for example, I am likely breaking the law. On the other hand, if I recommend that the student buy the book, I'm doing two people a favor: the student is getting a fine book added to his/her library, and I'm helping the author, my friend, earn a few more pennies in his effort to eke out a living in a tough field. Ivan Whillock Studio 122 NE 1st Avenue Faribault, MN 55021 Visit my website at http://www.whillock.com Visit my Picture Trail album at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=ivancarve From: Bill Judt Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:09 PM To: [Woodcarver] Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] I.ve been away (1 week) Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jan: As long as you buy the books first, there would be no problem IMHO. In fact, it would be a compliment!! 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Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks Bill and Ivan for your input Makes me feel good I ALWAYS recommend the books I teach from and try to suc I mean talk them in to buying )(LOL) Woodbutcher Jan You are invited to check out my website.. http://www.janscarvingstudio.com Also take a look at my picture trail albums ... http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/ http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrihat at hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 12:08:30 2008 From: merrihat at hotmail.com (Merrilee Johnson) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:08:30 +0000 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? Message-ID: Good morning, All! I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again! Merrilee _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denny_bell at hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 12:34:45 2008 From: denny_bell at hotmail.com (Denny Bell) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:34:45 -0500 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My experiences with Spruce have not been very good. It depends on what you going to carve, but I didn't care for it. Besides, you will have to wait awhile before it is dry enough to carve. I am getting too old to have to wait for my next piece of wood... Denny Bell Check out my carvings at From: merrihat at hotmail.com To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:08:30 +0000 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? Good morning, All! I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again! Merrilee Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! Try it Now _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarolyn at accn.org Sun Jun 29 13:09:57 2008 From: sarolyn at accn.org (Sally Nye) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:09:57 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE86E8D-83FC-4A9D-99ED-F813CDDC7161@accn.org> Merrilee, spruce is good for fan-carving. Offer it to your own club members ...or neighboring clubs. You want to work on it while it is fresh. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com On Jun 29, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Good morning, All! > I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great > winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go > down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving > and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces > but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's > why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again! > Merrilee > > Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! > Try it Now > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjudt at sasktel.net Sun Jun 29 16:31:23 2008 From: bjudt at sasktel.net (Bill Judt) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:31:23 -0600 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F530999-AB0D-4A53-B6ED-09AB42282A3D@sasktel.net> Merrilee: One of my relief carving students undertook and small carving in spruce. I warned him of the difficulties he'd face with this wood, but he had good reason to choose it. Actually, the carving turned out really well. But he was careful to not force the wood to hold too much detail, and he maintained VERY SHARP edges on his tools. Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 29-Jun-08, at 10:08 AM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Good morning, All! I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again! Merrilee Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! Try it Now _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrihat at hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 19:28:28 2008 From: merrihat at hotmail.com (Merrilee Johnson) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:28:28 +0000 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving??(chat) In-Reply-To: <0F530999-AB0D-4A53-B6ED-09AB42282A3D@sasktel.net> References: <0F530999-AB0D-4A53-B6ED-09AB42282A3D@sasktel.net> Message-ID: Thank you for the information. I don't know what my friend plans to do with it besides leave it in chunks for big carving maybe. I'll tell them about the relief and the sharp tools though just in case. Thank you, Bill! Merrilee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One of my relief carving students undertook and small carving in spruce. I warned him of the difficulties he'd face with this wood, but he had good reason to choose it. Actually, the carving turned out really well. But he was careful to not force the wood to hold too much detail, and he maintained VERY SHARP edges on his tools. Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 29-Jun-08, at 10:08 AM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.htmlGood morning, All! I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again!Merrilee Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! Try it Now _______________________________________________Woodcarver mailing listWoodcarver at six.pairlist.nethttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrihat at hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 19:30:26 2008 From: merrihat at hotmail.com (Merrilee Johnson) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:30:26 +0000 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat) In-Reply-To: <8CE86E8D-83FC-4A9D-99ED-F813CDDC7161@accn.org> References: <8CE86E8D-83FC-4A9D-99ED-F813CDDC7161@accn.org> Message-ID: Good idea Sally! It just came down so with that in mind it might get used sooner. A couple of our new carvers sat at your class in Evart and ranted about the fan birds. Maybe they might want to do a few more! Thanks! Merrilee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Merrilee, spruce is good for fan-carving. Offer it to your own club members ...or neighboring clubs. You want to work on it while it is fresh. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com _________________________________________________________________ The i?m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.? For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(chat for Sally) In-Reply-To: <8CE86E8D-83FC-4A9D-99ED-F813CDDC7161@accn.org> References: <8CE86E8D-83FC-4A9D-99ED-F813CDDC7161@accn.org> Message-ID: Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the wood to make it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have to be done and how long can you store it before using? Thanks again Sally! Merrilee Merrilee, spruce is good for fan-carving. Offer it to your own club members ...or neighboring clubs. You want to work on it while it is fresh. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 20:09:09 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) Message-ID: <822789.20752.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I hope the answer is that it keeps forever because I've had some of Sally's wood waiting for me in the freezer for a number of years waiting for someday. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: Merrilee Johnson > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:33:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the wood to > make it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have to be done and how > long can you store it before using? Thanks again Sally! > Merrilee > > > > Merrilee, spruce is good for fan-carving. Offer it to your own club members > ...or neighboring clubs. You want to work on it while it is fresh. > Best > Sally > > http://www.FanCarversWorld.com > > > > > ________________________________ > Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! Try it Now From sarolyn at accn.org Mon Jun 30 08:53:37 2008 From: sarolyn at accn.org (Sally Nye) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) In-Reply-To: References: <8CE86E8D-83FC-4A9D-99ED-F813CDDC7161@accn.org> Message-ID: <48B8A56C-14FA-494F-9E1C-F257AC7990F4@accn.org> Merrilee, the sooner you can get the log bucked-up the better (especially this time of year). You can run a hose on the log to keep it moist and also keep it in the shade. That will buy you some time. Get the blanks from the rounds, place them in a pot of water & simmer about 1-2 hrs. Then you can store them in plastic bags in the freezer. Over time, the wood can get a bit rubbery in the freezer but it is still workable. As with anything, the more skilled you are at riving, the more you will compensate for that condition. Thawing the wood by using hot water can help. Donna, we'll get you going at Carv-Fest 08 in Faribault. We're looking forward to it. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: > Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the > wood to make it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have > to be done and how long can you store it before using? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zwwizard at msn.com Mon Jun 30 10:04:33 2008 From: zwwizard at msn.com (RICHARD L ROMBOLD) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:04:33 -0700 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) References: <8CE86E8D-83FC-4A9D-99ED-F813CDDC7161@accn.org> <48B8A56C-14FA-494F-9E1C-F257AC7990F4@accn.org> Message-ID: If this was a large tree, check out the growth rings, if they are nice and tight, see if any luthier in your area might want some. spruce is used for the tops of a lot of instruments. Richard, Richard L. Rombold WIZARD WOODWORKING 489 N. 32nd. St. Springfield, Or .97478 Take a look at my mess and work. http://www.PictureTrail.com/gallery/view?username=thewizz "Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup" ----- Original Message ----- From: Sally Nye To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Merrilee, the sooner you can get the log bucked-up the better (especially this time of year). You can run a hose on the log to keep it moist and also keep it in the shade. That will buy you some time. Get the blanks from the rounds, place them in a pot of water & simmer about 1-2 hrs. Then you can store them in plastic bags in the freezer. Over time, the wood can get a bit rubbery in the freezer but it is still workable. As with anything, the more skilled you are at riving, the more you will compensate for that condition. Thawing the wood by using hot water can help. Donna, we'll get you going at Carv-Fest 08 in Faribault. We're looking forward to it. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the wood to make it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have to be done and how long can you store it before using? _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donpbk at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 12:15:45 2008 From: donpbk at yahoo.com (Donna Menke) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) Message-ID: <545245.50816.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Me too, Sally. See you there! Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sally Nye > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:53:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Merrilee, the sooner you can get the log bucked-up the better (especially this > time of year). You can run a hose on the log to keep it moist and also keep it > in the shade. That will buy you some time. Get the blanks from the rounds, > place them in a pot of water & simmer about 1-2 hrs. Then you can store them in > plastic bags in the freezer. > > Over time, the wood can get a bit rubbery in the freezer but it is still > workable. As with anything, the more skilled you are at riving, the more you > will compensate for that condition. Thawing the wood by using hot water can > help. > > Donna, we'll get you going at Carv-Fest 08 in Faribault. We're looking forward > to it. > Best > Sally > > http://www.FanCarversWorld.com > > > > On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: > Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the wood to make > it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have to be done and how long > can you store it before using? From fudgest at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 12:16:23 2008 From: fudgest at yahoo.com (Robert Fudge) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <37069.88210.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've only tried to carve with spruce once and that was about 20 years ago and it was the last time I've used it and I live in the middle of a spruce forrest.? Here in South East Alaska I use mostly yellow cedar. ? Robert Fudge Ketchikan Alaska --- On Mon, 6/30/08, woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net wrote: From: woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net Subject: Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1423, Issue 1 To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:02 AM Send Woodcarver mailing list submissions to woodcarver at six.pairlist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net You can reach the person managing the list at woodcarver-owner at six.pairlist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Woodcarver digest..." Today's Topics: 1. spruce for carving?? (Merrilee Johnson) 2. Re: spruce for carving?? (Denny Bell) 3. Re: spruce for carving?? (Sally Nye) 4. Re: spruce for carving?? (Bill Judt) 5. Re: spruce for carving??(chat) (Merrilee Johnson) 6. Re: spruce for carving?? (chat) (Merrilee Johnson) 7. Re: spruce for carving?? (Merrilee Johnson) 8. Re: spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) (Merrilee Johnson) 9. Re: spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) (Donna Menke) 10. Re: spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) (Sally Nye) 11. Re: spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) (RICHARD L ROMBOLD) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:08:30 +0000 From: Merrilee Johnson Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good morning, All! I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again! Merrilee _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:34:45 -0500 From: Denny Bell Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? To: "[Woodcarver]" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My experiences with Spruce have not been very good. It depends on what you going to carve, but I didn't care for it. Besides, you will have to wait awhile before it is dry enough to carve. I am getting too old to have to wait for my next piece of wood... Denny Bell Check out my carvings at From: merrihat at hotmail.com To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:08:30 +0000 Subject: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? Good morning, All! I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again! Merrilee Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! Try it Now _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:09:57 -0400 From: Sally Nye Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? To: "\[Woodcarver\]" Message-ID: <8CE86E8D-83FC-4A9D-99ED-F813CDDC7161 at accn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Merrilee, spruce is good for fan-carving. Offer it to your own club members ...or neighboring clubs. You want to work on it while it is fresh. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com On Jun 29, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Good morning, All! > I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great > winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go > down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving > and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces > but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's > why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again! > Merrilee > > Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! > Try it Now > _______________________________________________ > Woodcarver mailing list > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:31:23 -0600 From: Bill Judt Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? To: "[Woodcarver]" Message-ID: <0F530999-AB0D-4A53-B6ED-09AB42282A3D at sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Merrilee: One of my relief carving students undertook and small carving in spruce. I warned him of the difficulties he'd face with this wood, but he had good reason to choose it. Actually, the carving turned out really well. But he was careful to not force the wood to hold too much detail, and he maintained VERY SHARP edges on his tools. Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 29-Jun-08, at 10:08 AM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Good morning, All! I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again! Merrilee Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! Try it Now _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:28:28 +0000 From: Merrilee Johnson Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving??(chat) To: "[Woodcarver]" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you for the information. I don't know what my friend plans to do with it besides leave it in chunks for big carving maybe. I'll tell them about the relief and the sharp tools though just in case. Thank you, Bill! Merrilee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One of my relief carving students undertook and small carving in spruce. I warned him of the difficulties he'd face with this wood, but he had good reason to choose it. Actually, the carving turned out really well. But he was careful to not force the wood to hold too much detail, and he maintained VERY SHARP edges on his tools. Blessings and Peace, Bill Bill Judt 46 Harvard Crescent, Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7H3R1 bjudt at sasktel.net On 29-Jun-08, at 10:08 AM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.htmlGood morning, All! I have a question . Is spruce good for caving? We had great winds through here last night and a friend had a spruce tree go down so he called and wanted to know if it were good for carving and did I want it. I don't think I do because its in big pieces but maybe some of the other members of your club might. So that's why I asked... Thanks for your invaluable information once again!Merrilee Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! Try it Now _______________________________________________Woodcarver mailing listWoodcarver at six.pairlist.nethttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:30:26 +0000 From: Merrilee Johnson Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat) To: "[Woodcarver]" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Good idea Sally! It just came down so with that in mind it might get used sooner. A couple of our new carvers sat at your class in Evart and ranted about the fan birds. Maybe they might want to do a few more! Thanks! Merrilee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Merrilee, spruce is good for fan-carving. Offer it to your own club members ...or neighboring clubs. You want to work on it while it is fresh. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com _________________________________________________________________ The i?m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.? For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:31:30 +0000 From: Merrilee Johnson Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? To: "[Woodcarver]" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's about how I feel - I can't wait that long! Thanks for the reminder though! Merrilee Besides, you will have to wait awhile before it is dry enough to carve. I am getting too old to have to wait for my next piece of wood...Denny BellCheck out my carvings at www.cedarstump.us _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:33:20 +0000 From: Merrilee Johnson Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) To: "[Woodcarver]" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the wood to make it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have to be done and how long can you store it before using? Thanks again Sally! Merrilee Merrilee, spruce is good for fan-carving. Offer it to your own club members ...or neighboring clubs. You want to work on it while it is fresh. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Donna Menke Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) To: "\[Woodcarver\]" Message-ID: <822789.20752.qm at web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hope the answer is that it keeps forever because I've had some of Sally's wood waiting for me in the freezer for a number of years waiting for someday. Donna Menke http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book ----- Original Message ---- > From: Merrilee Johnson > To: [Woodcarver] > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:33:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the wood to > make it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have to be done and how > long can you store it before using? Thanks again Sally! > Merrilee > > > > Merrilee, spruce is good for fan-carving. Offer it to your own club members > ...or neighboring clubs. You want to work on it while it is fresh. > Best > Sally > > http://www.FanCarversWorld.com > > > > > ________________________________ > Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! Try it Now ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:53:37 -0400 From: Sally Nye Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) To: "\[Woodcarver\]" Message-ID: <48B8A56C-14FA-494F-9E1C-F257AC7990F4 at accn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Merrilee, the sooner you can get the log bucked-up the better (especially this time of year). You can run a hose on the log to keep it moist and also keep it in the shade. That will buy you some time. Get the blanks from the rounds, place them in a pot of water & simmer about 1-2 hrs. Then you can store them in plastic bags in the freezer. Over time, the wood can get a bit rubbery in the freezer but it is still workable. As with anything, the more skilled you are at riving, the more you will compensate for that condition. Thawing the wood by using hot water can help. Donna, we'll get you going at Carv-Fest 08 in Faribault. We're looking forward to it. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: > Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the > wood to make it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have > to be done and how long can you store it before using? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:04:33 -0700 From: "RICHARD L ROMBOLD" Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) To: "[Woodcarver]" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If this was a large tree, check out the growth rings, if they are nice and tight, see if any luthier in your area might want some. spruce is used for the tops of a lot of instruments. Richard, Richard L. Rombold WIZARD WOODWORKING 489 N. 32nd. St. Springfield, Or .97478 Take a look at my mess and work. http://www.PictureTrail.com/gallery/view?username=thewizz "Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup" ----- Original Message ----- From: Sally Nye To: [Woodcarver] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] spruce for carving?? (chat for Sally) Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html Merrilee, the sooner you can get the log bucked-up the better (especially this time of year). You can run a hose on the log to keep it moist and also keep it in the shade. That will buy you some time. Get the blanks from the rounds, place them in a pot of water & simmer about 1-2 hrs. Then you can store them in plastic bags in the freezer. Over time, the wood can get a bit rubbery in the freezer but it is still workable. As with anything, the more skilled you are at riving, the more you will compensate for that condition. Thawing the wood by using hot water can help. Donna, we'll get you going at Carv-Fest 08 in Faribault. We're looking forward to it. Best Sally http://www.FanCarversWorld.com On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Merrilee Johnson wrote: Opps, I forgot to ask another question Sally! Can't you freeze the wood to make it last longer? If this is true how soon does it have to be done and how long can you store it before using? _______________________________________________ Woodcarver mailing list Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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