[Woodcarver] Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1

[Charles Trella]

Butch wrote:
 
"Folks, I am just a whittler from South Louisiana and I use to like reading this group for the wish of getting better with carving. Can we get back to carving and off laws?"
 
With all respect Butch - this IS an on topic discussion for those who wish to be involved with carving beyond just whittling. Perhaps it has gone on a trifle longer than some other discussions of late . . . any for that matter. But I see nothing wrong with that.  Why is it that some feel the need to try to squash an on topic discussion that they have no interest in?  Use the delete key or better yet . . . start a topic more to your interest.  Not trying to start a flame war here, but I get soooo tired of people trying to kill threads that THEY see as irrelevant when so many have obviously found it enlightening and VERY relevant. 
 
ChuckT




> From: woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net> Subject: Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1> To: woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:01:58 -0400> > Send Woodcarver mailing list submissions to> woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> woodcarver-request at six.pairlist.net> > You can reach the person managing the list at> woodcarver-owner at six.pairlist.net> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Woodcarver digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: copyright laws (Donna Menke)> 2. Re: copyright laws (Butch JOhnson)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:42:03 -0700 (PDT)> From: Donna Menke <donpbk at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> To: "\[Woodcarver\]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>> Message-ID: <452126.88440.qm at web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > Don't feel bad, John, I think you should comment when something isn't right. I provided a forum where people could share misprints and errata from my book. I want to know- and I want them to know- if there are mistakes. First I went through the book with a fine toothed comb looking for the tiniest of errors. I noted every typo and vague direction. Then I asked everyone who had used the book to add their comments/corrections. I haven't gotten much response and I wish there were more comments. > > Teaching materials should be as near to perfect as possible. Donna Menke> http://www.woodworks-by-donna.com > Author: The Ultimate Band Saw Box Book> > > ----- Original Message ----> > From: john archibald <john.archibald at blueyonder.co.uk>> > To: [Woodcarver] <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>> > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:08:27 PM> > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html> > > > > > Well Marcia I did get a smacked wrist from the moderator. As a great granddad > > I feel a bit silly standing in the corner with a Dunce's cap on .> > My crime? Embarrassing those who sell books with rotten patterns.> > > > Still we Scots who prove to be unruly used to be sent to the colonies, Canada > > is out, maybe New Zealand?> > Rgds> > John> > > > -------Original Message-------> > > > From: Marcia Berkall> > Date: 21/06/2008 17:52:27> > To: \[Woodcarver\]> > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> > John,> > > > If you are looking to get "shot down in flames" it won't be by me. I have no > > idea what Scottish copyright law involves. I see no problem at all in your > > using the originals. For one thing, they are likely WAYYYY past copyright term, > > IF (big IF) they ever were copyrighted to begin with. If they are that old, > > then I think we can safely assume that they were not copyrighted and that there > > is no real original authorship on record. I am guessing that that is how it is > > possible to recreate and compile them in book form that would be copyrighted. > > As for being a professional....well, we all started as beginners!!! Glad to > > have you among us and I hope you enjoy the journey!!> > Marcia (aka Mush)> > > > At 07:45 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote:> > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html> > > > > > Marcia, I know I'm going to get shot down in flames for this but I'm saying this > > because I believe. > > I see copyrighted designs that are based on designs almost 2,000 years old. > > Pictish, Celtic whatever. For what its worth I'll use the originals , the ones > > carved on stones over much of Scotland, when and if I choose. Originals? > > Can any of us in all honest create an original design? I have my doubts. If a > > triangle is used , a circle a zig zag, then the patterns originality - to me- is > > iffy. > > > > I recently paid for a book of patterns, only to find they were not > > geometrically accurate. When I contacted the author she advised me that these > > were only meant as guides and were made before CAD. I've no problem with that > > but the time I wasted blaming myself of an error could have been better spent.> > As a beginner I realise others maybe professionals trying to make a living . In > > no way am I dismissing the time and skill they need rewarded for.> > Rgds> > John Archibald> > Glenrothes.> > Scotland> > > > See Marcia's wood carvings > > at: > > > > http://whittlinsnwood.com> > *****> > Affordable Web Page > > Design: > > http://artwebmaine.com > > ***** > > > > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software> > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS > > www.getcoffeecup.com > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT)> From: Butch JOhnson <bjohnson2349 at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> To: "\[Woodcarver\]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>> Message-ID: <598588.40128.qm at web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Folks, I am just a whittler from South Louisiana and I use to like reading this group for the wish of getting better with carving. Can we get back to carving and off laws?> Butch > > > I would rather have a mind opened > by wonder than one closed by belief> > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, lbpatch at fbx.com <lbpatch at fbx.com> wrote:> > From: lbpatch at fbx.com <lbpatch at fbx.com>> Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright laws> To: "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>> Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:59 PM> > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation:> http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html> > > when ever i get done with mi work, I sign it "carved by and then> myname. would that work?> > Brad> > > > > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation:> > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html> >> > Most books have some king of caveat or notice as to how many copies> > of a pattern may be made "for personal use". Technically, once> you> > reproduce that pattern for use in a class or in any situation that> > involves making a profit from them, it does constitute a violation.> >> > Jan, how fast can you run? :)> >> > Marcia (aka Mush)> >> > At 11:21 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote:> >> New sellers need a workable understanding of the concept> >> of "original work" that would respect the creations of> others and> >> would not get carvers into legal trouble for copying.> >>> >>A workable definition of "originality" for artists has to lie> >>somewhere between the "nothing is original" and the> "everything is> >>original" arguments.> >>> >>> >>> >>Ivan Whillock Studio> >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> >>So what's up ? when I use Your book or Tom Wolf or Who ever and> >>teach others to do that type of carving let say on the lawn chairs> >>or caricatures ????> >>I use several pictures from differend books and mags> >>Is this allowed ? or is this wrong ???> >> Woodbutcher Jan> >>> >>> >>You are invited to check out my website..> >> > <http://www.janscarvingstudio.com>http://www.janscarvingstudio.com> >>> >>Also take a look at my picture trail albums ...> >>> >><http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher>http://www.picturetrail.com/woodbutcher> >>> >>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/> >>> >>> >><http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf>http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/pdfdownloads/2082ChristmasGnome.pdf> >>_______________________________________________> >>Woodcarver mailing list> >>Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> >> > See Marcia's wood carvings> > at:> >> > http://whittlinsnwood.com> > *****> > Affordable Web Page> > Design:> > http://artwebmaine.com> > *****> >> > Get 20% Off CoffeeCup Web Design Software> > Use this code when you checkout: 226STS> > www.getcoffeecup.com _______________________________________________> > Woodcarver mailing list> > Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> > > _______________________________________________> Woodcarver mailing list> Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> > > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/woodcarver/attachments/20080622/d75e4d5d/attachment.html>> > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Woodcarver mailing list> Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver> > End of Woodcarver Digest, Vol 1415, Issue 1> *******************************************

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