<head><style>body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}</style></head><body id="compText">There's a lot more to law than reading the statutes. Copywrite laws, at least from my observation, require a lot of knowledge of court actions to fully understand the law, and how it's interpreted and implemented. Note that in Mush's quote there's no mention of the definination of "new version" or how it relates to media or how dissimilar do a work have to be. Those are the things that the courts decide and without knowledge of what the courts have done it's really hard to make an interpretation. <br><br>From my observations of carving publications I contend that there's very little in the carving world that's not copied from something else, including Mush's works. Not trying to offend, just pointing out that it's very difficult to determine what is a copywrite violation and what isn't.<br><br>Byron<br><br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px;">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Marcia Berkall <whitwood@fairpoint.net>
<br>Sent: Jun 19, 2008 4:23 PM
<br>To: martin_leenhouts@yahoo.com, "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver@six.pairlist.net>
<br>Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc.
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I am not a lawyer, but I do design my own carvings. I have also spent a
lot of time reading and trying to understand copyright law...and that's
not easy LOL<br>
There is such a thing called a "derivative work" The
following is a direct quote from the US gov't page on copyright:
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<dd><h2><b>"<a target="_blank" name="who"></a>Who May Prepare a Derivative
Work?</b></h2>
</dd><dd>Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to
authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. The owner
is generally the author or someone who has obtained rights from the
author." <br><br>
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</dl>I don't use other peoples' designs, but if I were going to,
especially if I were to sell carvings made from them, I would definitely
check with the original designer before making copies"
IMHO<br><br>
By the way, a work of art automatically carries an implied copyright, so
any time you copy one without the artists' permission, it is technically
an infringement<br><br>
Copyright information at
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.copyright.gov/" eudora="autourl">
http://www.copyright.gov/</a><br><br>
Marcia (aka Mush)<br><br>
<br><br>
Mart<br><br>
<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite=""><i>Marty
said:</i></blockquote><br><br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">I've been a school teacher for a
long time and the copyright issue comes up regularly. I'm no expert but
here's my take on the questions you're asking.<br><br>
<br><br>
1. Selling your own work carved from someone else's pattern should not be
any problem, legally or morally. It's your work, afterall, even if you
looked at or worked from a pattern not your own. You are not selling
something that is not your own.<br><br>
<br><br>
2. Selling someone else's pattern - now that's a problem!<br><br>
<br><br>
I expect people to use the free chip carving patterns I give away. If
they sell their finished chip carving to someone else, good for them.
Don't go selling the pattern I gave away, but sell all your own chip
carvings as much as you'd like.<br><br>
<br><br>
Marty<br><br>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.MyChipCarving.com">www.MyChipCarving.com</a><br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
--- On <b>Thu, 6/19/08, larry <i><redcougar@mchsi.com></i></b>
wrote:<br>
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<dd>From: larry <redcougar@mchsi.com><br>
</dd><dd>Subject: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc.<br>
</dd><dd>To: Woodcarver@six.pairlist.net<br>
</dd><dd>Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 1:28 PM<br><br>
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</dd><dd>Dear list members,
</dd><dd>I belong to a small carving club in rural North Carolina.We recently
</dd><dd>began talking about selling carvings.
</dd><dd>Most of us being new at this, we talked about what you could and
could
</dd><dd>not legally sell. Most of us have purchased rough outs with
instructions
</dd><dd>from time to time. All of us have copied free patterns from the
</dd><dd>internet. All of us have made carvings from patterns and instructions
</dd><dd>found in the carving magazines we purchase.
</dd><dd>Morally and probably legally? we need to give credit for rough out
</dd><dd>and/or pattern, but the question which we really have is:
</dd><dd>What can a person legally sell in a show or at a craft fair or in an
art
</dd><dd>gallery as a conscientious, wood carver concerned about
the state of
</dd><dd>the art?
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