[From nobody Fri Jun 20 21:08:44 2008 From: Steve Klein <stevenfklein@sbcglobal.net> To: "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver@six.pairlist.net> Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:07:07 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19459_1214010519_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19459_1214010519_1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080500090402020708030401" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080500090402020708030401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Denny, It sounds like you carve like I do. If I could only be 20% off, I'd be happy. As for nature, animals. The GUY upstairs has the copywrite on them. I don't think HE would mind. Steve Denny Bell wrote: > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I don't see a problem either morally or ethically... but my finished > carvings never seem to look like what it was supposed to anyhow! > > Denny > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:45:54 -0700 > > To: woodcarver@six.pairlist.net > > From: ron@carvedbyramsey.com > > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc. > > > > Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: > http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html > > > > I want to propose a situation for discussion regarding derivatives. > > If I were to use a copyrighted photo of an animal as a reference how > > does that factor in. The setting and design of the carving is mine. > > The animal obviously was not designed by the photographer but the > > angle and framing of the shot was created by the photographer. Would > > that be considered a derivative subject to copyright? What if I were > > to use the angle of the head but change the position of the body? > > I'm curious what your moral and ethical opinions are on the subject. > > -- > > Ron Ramsey > > http://www.carvedbyramsey.com > > > > > > Be sure to look at the incredible nature inspired art jewelry hand > > fabricated by my wife, Karen Olsen Ramsey. It's worth the time to > > take a look! > > http://www.artjeweler.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Woodcarver mailing list > > Woodcarver@six.pairlist.net > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/woodcarver > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! 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Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit ok http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKmyb239kSAK2M9SCD7R20xEAePLE1IZoxzq4qIiIl1tVkU/ --------------080500090402020708030401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi Denny,<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It sounds like you carve like I do.&nbsp; If I could only be 20% off,&nbsp; I'd be happy.<br> As for nature, animals.&nbsp; The GUY upstairs has the copywrite on them.&nbsp; I don't think HE would mind.<br> <br> Steve<br> <br> Denny Bell wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:BAY116-W16BD679A8FFADCF2FB77A9EFA50@phx.gbl" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html">http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html</a> </pre> <br> <hr size="4" width="90%"><br> <style> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } </style> I don't see a problem either morally or ethically... but my finished carvings never seem to look like what it was supposed to anyhow!<br> <br> Denny<br> <br> &gt; Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:45:54 -0700<br> &gt; To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:woodcarver@six.pairlist.net">woodcarver@six.pairlist.net</a><br> &gt; From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ron@carvedbyramsey.com">ron@carvedbyramsey.com</a><br> &gt; Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] copyright rules etc.<br> &gt; <br> &gt; Gentle Subscribers :-) Please support our List with a donation: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html">http://wwwoodcarver.com/WWWList/WWWList.html</a><br> &gt; <br> &gt; I want to propose a situation for discussion regarding derivatives. <br> &gt; If I were to use a copyrighted photo of an animal as a reference how <br> &gt; does that factor in. The setting and design of the carving is mine. <br> &gt; The animal obviously was not designed by the photographer but the <br> &gt; angle and framing of the shot was created by the photographer. Would <br> &gt; that be considered a derivative subject to copyright? What if I were <br> &gt; to use the angle of the head but change the position of the body? <br> &gt; I'm curious what your moral and ethical opinions are on the subject.<br> &gt; -- <br> &gt; Ron Ramsey<br> &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.carvedbyramsey.com">http://www.carvedbyramsey.com</a><br> &gt; <br> &gt; <br> &gt; Be sure to look at the incredible nature inspired art jewelry hand <br> &gt; fabricated by my wife, Karen Olsen Ramsey. 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