[game_preservation] Windows 7 and Virtual PC XP

[Andrew Armstrong]

Yeah, sounds like some interesting information since, well, I'm sure I 
can get my old DOS disks working in Virtual PC or somesuch, which with 
what the power is on desktops right now, should be better then DOSBox - 
as it'd not emulate, but just virtualise the OS.

Shame that > Vista DOS is basically nil then. XP had no DOS really, so 
it'd not be too good for that. I was more referring to XP-only items - 
not that many exist, but a few games just are Vista-incompatible due to 
hardcoding problems and strange workarounds.

Andrew

Dan Pinchbeck wrote:

> Hi Henry

>

> That data sounds extremely interesting - I think our emulator people may be very keen to see it - do you know if it's public, or do you have a contact?

>

> Thanks

>

> Dan

>

> Dr Dan Pinchbeck

>

> Advanced Games Research Group

> School of Creative Technologies

> University of Portsmouth, UK

>

> www.thechineseroom.co.uk

> www.keep.port.ac.uk

>   

>>>> Henry Lowood <lowood at stanford.edu> 25/07/09 7:20 PM >>>

>>>>         

> Devin,

>

> Not as part of the preservation project's data-gathering.  It's possible 

> that the RIT group is working in this area.  The RIT data that I have 

> seen is a qualitative grid of performance tests.

>

> Henry

>

> Devin Monnens wrote:

>   

>> Henry,

>>

>> Has there been any discussion in terms of universal virtual computers 

>> (UVCs) and how you can create a universal test code to determine how 

>> accurately the emulator is performing in relation to the original 

>> hardware?

>>

>> -Devin

>>

>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Henry Lowood <lowood at stanford.edu 

>> <mailto:lowood at stanford.edu>> wrote:

>>

>>     Andrew,

>>

>>     the RIT team that is part of our Library of Congress has been

>>     testing not XP, but DOS compatibility, as we work on preservation

>>     of DOOM (among other games).   Andy Phelps from the RIT team

>>     concludes, "DOSBox on Win7 is the best we can get on the modern

>>     OS's."  There were still issues with drivers.  I'm not sure how

>>     much you can conclude from this about XP, but it does address

>>     early games.

>>

>>     Henry

>>

>>

>>     Andrew Armstrong wrote:

>>     

>>>     So I've pre-ordered Windows 7 so it's not rediculously-expensive,

>>>     instead just man-thats-expensive. It does, it says, come with a

>>>     virtual way of running apps in an XP environment (I got the Pro

>>>     or whatever version, but not just for this).

>>>

>>>     I was wondering, since I don't have the RC installed, does this

>>>     work at all for any kind of games, or is it purely just the XP

>>>     API with no real driver support? I know VirtualPC which you can

>>>     run OS's off is basically like running on a stripped down box

>>>     with a generic CPU, some RAM and a hard drive, but no graphics or

>>>     sound support to speak of. I don't know if it is the same way of

>>>     doing it, simply more built-in to the OS?

>>>

>>>     I just know some games won't work with 7 (like Vista, since they

>>>     run a very similar OS model), and virtulising XP might be a cure

>>>     for that, but only if there is hardware support in it.

>>>

>>>     I think once I research this a bit more (since as on XP now, I

>>>     have very few problems running older games) I'll get digging into

>>>     WINE and also emulator projects (DOSBox is obvious, others that

>>>     are starting to provide hardware support or 3d emulation are

>>>     worth looking at too) and might gather some resources for our

>>>     list (bibliography website still pending ;) ). If anyone has a

>>>     list of these it'd be welcome, before I get a new PC and slam

>>>     into the ground running on Vista SP3, I mean, Windows 7 ;)

>>>

>>>     Thanks!

>>>

>>>     Andrew

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>>          Film & Media Collections

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>> Devin Monnens

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