Last steam days on The Arrow

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According to my records, the last regular run of steam power on No. 26, the 
eastbound Powhatan Arrow on the Cincinnati District was on July 19, 1958 
with Class J 603.  I made a movie of it arriving Portsmouth, along with 
another movie as it left for Williamson with Class K-2 118.

However, there is a a little more to the story.

On the morning of July 19, No. 3 had K-2 118 from Williamson to Portsmouth 
and Class J 613 from Portsmouth to Cincinnati for the last regular run for 
steam on that train.

On July 20, No. 26 was double-headed from Cincinnati to Portsmouth with 
(leased RF&P) diesels 1014-1015 and Class J 613, thus making the 613 the 
last J out of CUT in regular service.

At various times during the next several months J's were occasionally run 
light on the Cincinnati District to protect No. 4 or No. 26 when No. 25 or 
No. 3 (with the outbound power for those trains) was excessively late.

HOWEVER, in response to another recent reference to alleged  "joyriding" 
with the J's on the Cincinnati District, I can state with certainty that no 
such events took place.

Louis Newton
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>   1. Re: Roanoke Junction (NW Mailing List)

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> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 20:10:23 -0400

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> Bruce,

>

> Some of the CPLs are going to VMT. A few are in the staging yard just

> west of 10th Street Bridge.

>

> I understand the control boards are still in the Randolph Street

> Tower. Many critical circuits continued to run through the Tower

> until Sunday. Now the circuits and the tower are unneeded.

>

> The siding for Amtrak is not part of this project. The engineering

> for exactly where it will be located is being done right now. I

> cannot believe that NS did not at least pencil in where they want it

> to go before starting this current project.

>

> Ron in Roanoke

>

> At 09:15 AM 4/7/2014, you wrote:

>>On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Ron wrote:

>>

>> > Norfolk Southern switched off the old color position lights (CPLs) and

>> > turned on the new signals. CPLs were coming down with amazing speed.

>>

>>Thanks for the excellent but sad coverage. Whither the CPLs that have

>>been removed? Cycle Systems? Doled out to museums? Up for auction?

>>Left to rust under the 10th St. bridge?

>>

>>Is there anything left in Randolph Street tower or is it just a large

>>brick relay box these days?

>>

>>As to Amtrak -- are the "station" and siding going to replace the Rail

>>Walk, around that green-roofed shelter? I know the city is on the hook

>>to rebuild the culvert under the street through there, but will the

>>switch be stubbed in now as part of this work, or is that a "we'll do

>>that when the time comes" project?

>>

>>Bruce in Blacksburg

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> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 20:33:51 -0400

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> Jim,  The dates you mentioned sound  about right to me.  However if

> the leased units

> came from Virginia(nearer Roanoke than Cincinnati), would it not make

> sense that the WB

> Arrow that day to Cincinnati would be leased units, while the train

> that started in Cincy on

> July 18th would have been steam(cause no diesels were to Cincy yet on

> the first Arrow),

> and perhaps at Roanoke, the leased units took the train continued on

> to Norfolk!!  This

> is conjecture on my part.  There should be some documentation of how

> this all took place.

> Greg Scholl

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> Subject: Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

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> Jim,

>    That date of 12-58 for 563 lines up with the scene we have of a

> 500 series engine going through

> Batavia, OH on film.  The date was Jan. 1959.  There were countless

> N&W engines going to a scrap dealer or

> two west of Cincinnati on the old NYC line west of Riverside.  We even

> have scenes of a Virginian engine, several 1200's,

> K1, and K2a's.  In fact #100 is seen several times going on this line

> to scrap(chased).  Countless Y class engines, and even #325

> went through along with a bunch of 0-8-0's.

>    So back to the 500's.   When was 578 retired, and when did it go

> to Ohio Railway Museum?

> One more thing about engine scrapping....yes there was a place in

> Portsmouth around New Boston, and a friend of mine saw 613 parts

> laying around after coming back from the 1959 NRHS convention.  In our

> film we see 601 in standby, and 613 in the deadline during a Jan 1959

> visit.  We also see 1232 in a 1958 scene at Portsmouth, and later dead

> in tow at Batavia, headed to scrap.  That engine was significant cause

> it pulled the last steam time freight out of Cincinnati(Clare yard),

> in 1956.

> Greg

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>> Subject: Station Agent info.

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>> Hey Guys,

>> I'm post on behalf of a friend of mine. His Great Uncle R. H. Witt at

>> some point was a station agent on N&W and it is assumed he worked at

>> Waynesboro at some point. So the question is, can anybody or does

>> anybody find/have a seniority roster for N&W agents (The Valley line

>> to

>> be exact) for say the 30s/40s/50s. Would this type of this possibly be

>> in the archives? Were looking for mainly info on where all he

>> worked. It

>> is known that R.H. Witt's brother was the last agent at the C&O

>> Greenwood station, and his nephew (my friends uncle) was the last

>> agent

>> at the C&O Crozet station. But it is know for fact that R.H. Witt

>> was a

>> N&W guy.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Nathan on behalf of D.P. Witt

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>> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 16:14:33 -0700 (PDT)

>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

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>> According to my father's notes, 563 was retired 12-58. I have no

>> other information, so don't know where the scrapper was; but most

>> engines that went west ended up at Friedmans Scrap Yard in

>> Portsmouth. Why one would go west through Batavia is a mystery. BTW:

>> 563 and 578 were the last ones (by a long shot).

>>

>> Jim Nichols

>>

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>> Subject: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

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>> Between 1958-60 how many N&W pacifics would have been left to scrap.

>> We have a movie clip of one coming through Batavia headed west,

>> presumably to scrap.

>> However, 578 went to Columbus.? As I recall back in 1957 we rode

>> that trip from Bluefield with

>> 563 and 578, so I was wondering if those were the last two and

>> perhaps the one we saw was 563?

>> Does anyone know where these pacifics were in fact scrapped, and did

>> 578 travel on the Peavine(unlikely)?

>> Greg Scholl

>>

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>>> Message: 1

>>> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 10:36:24 -0400

>>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>>> Subject: Last Steam Days on the Arrow

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>>> Hi,

>>> ?  I may have asked this before, but can someone tell me what was the

>>> last use of steam on the Powhatan Arrow, especially from Cincinnati.

>>> I am going through some recent transfers of 8mm films and working

>>> info

>>> for the clips.? We have a shot of my dad getting on the last run a

>>> Batavia,Ohio,

>>> and the photographer notes August 1958.? I was under the impression

>>> it

>>> was July!!

>>> Thanks,

>>> Greg Scholl

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>>> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 11:46:34 -0700 (PDT)

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>>> Subject: Re: Last Steam Days on the Arrow

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>>> I always thought July, but later became aware that a J occasionally

>>> filled in for the diesels during the fall (east of Roanoke). I

>>> can't say about Cincinnati, however.

>>>

>>> Jim Nichols

>>>

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>>> Subject: Last Steam Days on the Arrow

>>>

>>>

>>> Hi,

>>> ?? I may have asked this before, but can someone tell me what was

>>> the?

>>> last use of steam on the Powhatan Arrow, especially from Cincinnati.

>>> I am going through some recent transfers of 8mm films and working

>>> info?

>>> for the clips.? We have a shot of my dad getting on the last run a?

>>> Batavia,Ohio,

>>> and the photographer notes August 1958.? I was under the impression

>>> it?

>>> was July!!

>>> Thanks,

>>> Greg Scholl

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>>> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 19:09:29 -0400

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>>> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 19:59:15 -0400 (EDT)

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>>> Subject: A tender

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>>> Yes, I located the A tender.? I did not hike up the hill to it,

>>> only made the drive to learn the route and locate.? I plan to

>>> return very soon for a closer look.

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>>> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 21:55:46 -0400

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>>> Today was a big day for the Roanoke Junction project.

>>>

>>> Norfolk Southern switched off the old color position lights (CPLs)

>>> and turned on the new signals. CPLs were coming down with amazing

>>> speed.

>>>

>>> Two main line tracks were cut and "thrown" into new alignments to

>>> eliminate those S-curves that have been around since the steam days.

>>>

>>> For those watching on the railcams, here's what you couldn't see.

>>>

>>> http://www.nwhs.org/mailinglist/2014/RkeJct/20140406/

>>>

>>> Ron Davis

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>>> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 21:24:59 -0700 (PDT)

>>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>>> Subject: Re: Roanoke Junction

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>>> Ron,

>>>

>>> Thanks very much for the great coverage of the Randolph St. track &

>>> signal swap. I understand the improvements were necessary, but, at

>>> the same time, it is sad to see all the old tracks and signals

>>> disappear.

>>>

>>> Jeff Sanders

>>> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:56 PM, NW Mailing List 

>>> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

>>> > wrote:

>>>

>>> Today was a big day for the Roanoke Junction project.

>>>

>>> Norfolk Southern switched off the old color position lights (CPLs)

>>> and turned on the new signals. CPLs were coming down with amazing

>>> speed.

>>>

>>> Two main line tracks were cut and "thrown" into new alignments to

>>> eliminate those S-curves that have been around since the steam days.

>>>

>>> For those watching on the railcams, here's what you couldn't see.

>>>

>>> http://www.nwhs.org/mailinglist/2014/RkeJct/20140406/

>>>

>>> Ron Davis

>>>

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>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Ron wrote:

>>>

>>>> Norfolk Southern switched off the old color position lights (CPLs)

>>>> and

>>>> turned on the new signals. CPLs were coming down with amazing speed.

>>>

>>> Thanks for the excellent but sad coverage. Whither the CPLs that have

>>> been removed? Cycle Systems? Doled out to museums? Up for auction?

>>> Left to rust under the 10th St. bridge?

>>>

>>> Is there anything left in Randolph Street tower or is it just a large

>>> brick relay box these days?

>>>

>>> As to Amtrak -- are the "station" and siding going to replace the

>>> Rail

>>> Walk, around that green-roofed shelter? I know the city is on the

>>> hook

>>> to rebuild the culvert under the street through there, but will the

>>> switch be stubbed in now as part of this work, or is that a "we'll do

>>> that when the time comes" project?

>>>

>>> Bruce in Blacksburg

>>>

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> More photos from today's work in downtown Roanoke.

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> http://www.nwhs.org/mailinglist/2014/RkeJct/20140407/

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> The magnitude and speed at which this work is progressing is impressive.

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> Ron Davis

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